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Children exist, men to blame · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here with Allison and this is maintaining frame children exist,
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  Speaker 2: men to blame, where we will be reacting to a
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. So we have three videos.
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  Speaker 2: The first is Briannclair the boy Mom to manchild pipeline.
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  Speaker 2: So the thesis of the video, because it is like
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  Speaker 2: as usual, all these are very long.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a half hour.
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  Speaker 2: I think that she's figured out how to game the
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  Speaker 2: algorithm so that it's like the right length that people
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  Speaker 2: will watch it, but long enough. It's long enough that
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  Speaker 2: you two will recognize it as a video.
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  Speaker 1: While not being so long that nobody wants us to around.
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  Speaker 2: So the thesis of the video is that she's attempting
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  Speaker 2: to do a critical examination of the dynamics between mothers
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  Speaker 2: and their sons, particularly focusing on the phenomenon of boy
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  Speaker 2: moms who overly cuddle their sons, leading to unhealthy dependencies
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  Speaker 2: and perpetuating patriarchal standards. Yes, and one of the main
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  Speaker 2: things that she basically concludes is is that any gender,
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  Speaker 2: basically women also can perpetuate patriarchy. So it's not just
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  Speaker 2: the male thing, it's women can also perpetuate patriarchy.
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  Speaker 1: And this is an example of that.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to give you the moral circle analysis here.
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  Speaker 1: This Yeah, I'm just saying this. This is her thesis,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: This is the endless loyalty test, right, So it functions
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  Speaker 3: to effectively create the largest out group to target for hostility.
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  Speaker 3: So biological category or is or write out. That's like
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  Speaker 3: second wave. So there's no there's no innocence when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to women anymore because because that's that's not acceptable.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody is subject to the loyalty test. I mean, men
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  Speaker 3: automatically fail the loyalty test. But now women can also
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  Speaker 3: fail the loyalty test based on interpretations that appear to
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  Speaker 3: change with the mood of the person leveling the accusation.
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  Speaker 3: Because literally, I've heard Byrony say that patriarchy is liking
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  Speaker 3: pink and looking feminine. I'm like, Byrony, have you looked
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  Speaker 3: in the mirror lately? So she's saying something that she
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  Speaker 3: herself would would qualify her as being I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: poisoned by patriarchy or toxic pigny or whatever, and yet
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  Speaker 3: she is directing it outward at other women, so she
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  Speaker 3: gets to enjoy it, but other women don't. What is that?
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  Speaker 3: That is the behavior of somebody who is in some
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  Speaker 3: form of power and gets to create rules for me
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  Speaker 3: or sorry, rules for thee but not for me. And
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  Speaker 3: it again is just basically whoever has the social power
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  Speaker 3: makes the rules. That's why it always seems to just
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  Speaker 3: reflect somebody's mood, like the mood of the most socially
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  Speaker 3: dominant person in the room, you know. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is this is the moral circle. Again. It's intended
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  Speaker 3: to put and what it's really doing is putting as
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  Speaker 3: many people in subjugation by the center the most socially dominant,
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  Speaker 3: the center of the web, person in the room, and
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  Speaker 3: creates the great It can generate the greatest amount of
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  Speaker 3: hostility for the greatest amount of people. And it's a
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  Speaker 3: constantly moving target, and when it meets its terminal stage,
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  Speaker 3: it becomes the purity spiral, in which the entire community,
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  Speaker 3: if you can even call it that, is a crater
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  Speaker 3: and eventually occupied by two people, both of which are
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  Speaker 3: trying to throw them the other out of that community.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the moral circle analysis. She's constructing a situation
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  Speaker 3: where she decides who's in and who's out of the
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  Speaker 3: web based on arbitrary factors that serve her that she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have to, like, she doesn't have to uphold any
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  Speaker 3: of the prescriptions that she gives others, the proscriptions, prescriptions,
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  Speaker 3: something like that. Regardless any of the rules that she
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  Speaker 3: directs towards others, she need not uphold herself. So that's
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  Speaker 3: what she's up to. She's declaring herself the fattest spider
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  Speaker 3: in the web. Okay, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Let's listen to the opening where she sort
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  Speaker 1: of sets it all up. And you know, if you guys,
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  Speaker 1: don't already know this.
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  Speaker 2: Brianny Claire's primary sources I put this in gigantic fucking
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  Speaker 2: quotes are reality TV shows, popular television shows, particularly ones
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  Speaker 2: that are that have the explicit frame she once, which
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  Speaker 2: happens to be most of them because they're all like
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  Speaker 2: feminists basically, and social media posts like Instagram and TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: So you know this is like where we gather our data.
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  Speaker 4: You look happier. Dang.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I guess does there sound Did you hear that?
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  Speaker 1: Or no?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did hear that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I'm just checking.
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  Speaker 3: Where everybody else's as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just checking.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, what a cute celebratory moment. Wait a second,
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  Speaker 4: that's his mum. This bible forever and always has my
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  Speaker 4: entire heart. Gina kept at the end of this moment,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm so grateful. When I walked up to hug
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  Speaker 4: my baby boy after his game, he immediately picked me
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  Speaker 4: up and just held me. It may have been twenty seconds,
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  Speaker 4: thirty seconds, a minute, I have no idea, but in
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  Speaker 4: this moment, time still completely still. I genuinely did think
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  Speaker 4: that was a cute girlfriend boyfriend moment until I saw
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  Speaker 4: the reveal, and then I felt slightly nauseous, nauclated.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So there's social media.
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  Speaker 2: There's another thirty seconds of this first clip, but there's
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  Speaker 2: a social media posts of mothers that are, let's say,
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  Speaker 2: very like openly amorous to their children. One is a
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  Speaker 2: woman with a baby, and the other is a woman
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  Speaker 2: with I guess like a grown man or a young man.
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  Speaker 2: And she's trying to code all of it as gross
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  Speaker 2: in some way.
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  Speaker 3: But well, okay, but I want to qualify openly amorous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that is that?
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  Speaker 3: Is that a fair characterization?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, let's you want to look at it again.
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  Speaker 1: It's only thirty seconds. Let's let's look at it again.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this Bible forever and always has my entire heart.
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  Speaker 4: Gina kept at the end of this moment, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: so grateful when I walked up to her my baby boy.
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  Speaker 3: After good Lord. No, that is a little creepy, okay, creepy,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm starting to feel like this has got some
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  Speaker 3: serious single mom energy. I mean, really, mothers should only
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  Speaker 3: give their sons handshakes as celebratory for their for their
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  Speaker 3: you know, their victories. You know that That's okay, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's not politically useful. You can't like use this
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  Speaker 2: clip to make like a statement. And ultimately, even though
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  Speaker 2: this is making the women look weird, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a condemnation of men.
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  Speaker 3: Of course the day. So of course, I mean there
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  Speaker 3: always lands there. Yeah, you always use men to condemn women, right,
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  Speaker 3: but men are always in the condemnable sphere because, uh,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's probably just a matter
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  Speaker 3: of like a relational modality thinker. Men completely don't then
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  Speaker 3: they don't They're not even in the game, right, so
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  Speaker 3: obviously they lose the game. But women are sort of
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  Speaker 3: in the game. So you you want to be able
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  Speaker 3: to use women's relationship were men against them in order
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  Speaker 3: to get them to lose the game. So that's uh,
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  Speaker 3: I think men are always losing the game. Women can
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  Speaker 3: lose the game depending on you know, whether or not
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  Speaker 3: they're a pick me anyway. But this is like I
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  Speaker 3: would say, this is this is creepy. It is a
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  Speaker 3: little creepy. That's that that is, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's not it's not no, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't it's not how I would like. But here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing though, all that's probably why this clip was
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  Speaker 2: viral and people were talking about it was because it
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  Speaker 2: was exceptionally strange.
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  Speaker 1: It was like in.
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  Speaker 2: Terms of it being unusual and therefore noteworthy and therefore
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  Speaker 2: worthy of commentary. So how could you use it to
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  Speaker 2: make like broad, you know, sweeping statements about society if
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  Speaker 2: it's like a one off or like a weird you know,
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  Speaker 2: like an anomaly, because I don't think that mothers are
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  Speaker 2: like that with their sons most of the time. Good
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  Speaker 2: even single moms that have like a devouring mother thing
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  Speaker 2: going on are probably not like this. But yes, I
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  Speaker 2: know that that exists, and we're going to get into
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  Speaker 2: that a little bit later. But okay, thirty seconds more,
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  Speaker 2: heled me.
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  Speaker 4: It may have been twenty seconds, thirty seconds, a minute,
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  Speaker 4: I have no idea, but in this moment, time still
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  Speaker 4: completely still. I genuinely did think that was a cute
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  Speaker 4: girlfriend boyfriend moment until I saw the reveal, and then
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  Speaker 4: I felt slightly nauseous, nauseated, I look nauseated. Sorry, thanks
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  Speaker 4: for the correction.
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  Speaker 1: What's wrong with you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, like, what is wrong with you? Why are you
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  Speaker 4: waxing your grown son's chest?
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  Speaker 3: Richard? For a minute? For you fall asleep?
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to go to the gym in the morning too.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get big and school.
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  Speaker 3: You are get measy looking.
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  Speaker 4: Lord actually putting her adult son to bend. What is happening.
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  Speaker 3: Byrony Claire. It's called single motherhood and it's uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's uh well, maybe maybe that one isn't It's called okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'll go with.
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  Speaker 1: Your I mean, I don't know for okay.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, let's let's let's let's let's look at
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  Speaker 2: this objectively.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be clear headed. Here she is.
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  Speaker 2: She is talking about a scene that was edited and
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  Speaker 2: shot for reality TV show on TLC. So this could
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  Speaker 2: all be bullshit, like it could it could all be
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  Speaker 2: they're doing this on the cameras, Like there's a fucking
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  Speaker 2: crew and cameras in the bedroom while they're while they're
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  Speaker 2: having this conversation. So in my mind, I just don't
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  Speaker 2: see like how this is like saying anything about reality
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  Speaker 2: at all. Like she's really literally using bullshit TV that
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  Speaker 2: we call reality TV to.
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  Speaker 1: Make a point about reality.
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  Speaker 2: That that's like why I take issue with this, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's weird, but then if it wasn't weird,
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  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be worthy of putting on TLC because people's
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  Speaker 2: actual lives are pretty boring, Like you couldn't put that
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  Speaker 2: on television, right, So I don't know, I just feel
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  Speaker 2: like this, maybe it's just the way I see it,
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  Speaker 2: but like, this doesn't bring any value to a conversation
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  Speaker 2: about relationships between women who are overly possessive of their
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  Speaker 2: children and how that looks, because even if they're not,
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  Speaker 2: I think there is a conversation we had there. But
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  Speaker 2: her examples are so ridiculous because they're pulling from.
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  Speaker 1: Fiction that like, how am I How do you respond
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  Speaker 1: to that? You know what I mean? So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just like, if.
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  Speaker 3: Only there was a parent that didn't coddle their sons
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  Speaker 3: or their daughters, or well mostly their sons, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: since the sons are being pulled out here, only there
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  Speaker 3: were a parent that was more likely to inculcate their
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  Speaker 3: children with an understanding of other people's needs and experience,
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  Speaker 3: and would hold their child to any kind of standard
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  Speaker 3: and apply reasonable expectations of their child. You know, a
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  Speaker 3: parent that might rough house with their kid and teach
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  Speaker 3: their kid to learn to moderate their strength when fighting
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  Speaker 3: in order, you know, and the attendant kind of lessons
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  Speaker 3: from that. You know, if only there was a parent
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  Speaker 3: that you know, helped turn their kid outward to the
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  Speaker 3: world instead of constantly coddling them and treating them like
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  Speaker 3: an infant. I don't know, Like maybe the government should
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  Speaker 3: invent such a parent. Obviously, obviously nature was insufficient.
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  Speaker 1: Should gets science on that thing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we should get science on that. Feels like nature.
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  Speaker 3: There's a big vacuum that nature failed to fill here. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: let's let's keep going.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so that Yeah, this is like ten seconds
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  Speaker 1: left of this person.
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  Speaker 4: We're looking dead. She's literally putting her adult son to bend.
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  Speaker 4: What is happening at the it's matching sweaters. Please tell
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  Speaker 4: me this was just done for a bit inn.
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  Speaker 3: It other listeners?
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  Speaker 1: Is happening again?
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  Speaker 2: This is like literally there's a show about women who
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  Speaker 2: like raise their children, like raise their children this way,
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  Speaker 2: Like this is a reality show about this phenomenon. And
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  Speaker 2: she's using this as her evidence for the problem for
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  Speaker 2: a problem she's trying to diagnose. It's like it's like
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  Speaker 2: it's like getting a doctor who deals with highly infectious
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  Speaker 2: diseases and he's like talking about like the like how
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  Speaker 2: widespread turbo AIDS is, but his reference is a reality
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  Speaker 2: show called Turbo Ads where everyone on it has turbo aids,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, man, this is a really big problem.
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  Speaker 2: Look at all these examples. This must be everywhere. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we have to do something about it on a systemic level.
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  Speaker 2: And not only do they have turbo aids, but they're like,
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  Speaker 2: they're like overacting. You know, all of the symptoms are
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  Speaker 2: using special effects, and they got people coming in to react,
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  Speaker 2: and they got you know, there there are scenes where
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  Speaker 2: the the reality star is alone with their thoughts, but
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  Speaker 2: they're not alone because there's a fucking camera crew there
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  Speaker 2: pointing fucking lights at them. But you know, and then
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  Speaker 2: and we're supposed to be how does that work on people?
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  Speaker 2: How does how does how does reality TV? What is
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  Speaker 2: wrong with women? I'm sorry it's women? Why what is
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  Speaker 2: wrong with women? Why do they watch.
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  Speaker 1: Reality TV and actually think it's fucking real?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: How do you fall for that? It was?
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  Speaker 2: It was never real, even when MTV invented it, which
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  Speaker 2: I will curse to my dying days with the real world,
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  Speaker 2: none of that.
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  Speaker 1: Was fucking real.
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  Speaker 2: Those were hopeful actors that wanted to break into acting,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of them did because that was the
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  Speaker 2: point anyway. I'm sorry, I'm I'm just annoyed with the factor.
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  Speaker 3: I want to say, I want to be like, but
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  Speaker 3: Brian and I have nothing because what we're watching, what
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  Speaker 3: we continually find whenever we look at the femisphere is
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  Speaker 3: women like this using evidence that's completely manufactured, like dumpster
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  Speaker 3: diving in false like media narratives and coming up with
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  Speaker 3: something that it's like, yes, this is a manufactured reality, Brian, Byrony,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't reality. Like this, what you're showing isn't reality, right,
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  Speaker 3: And then they will construct an entire worldview over this,
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like you Byrony and all of the other
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  Speaker 3: ones that we discuss, I mean, I manifestell is just terriky.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure like a summoning circles, all of these
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  Speaker 3: all of these women they do the same thing. They
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  Speaker 3: take manufactured reality stories and they say this is evidence.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: What are the beliefs of the people who've created this,
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  Speaker 2: These fictions that you are referencing, Guess what, they're your beliefs,
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  Speaker 2: Like you're referencing yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're basically taking the people who believe what you believe,
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  Speaker 3: and the fictions that they've constructed and calling it evidence.
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  Speaker 3: And then when you say all of this to people
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  Speaker 3: who exist in the relational modality, which is what I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna call it, I think it's very helpful to understand
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  Speaker 3: it when you when you point this out, they do
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: not understand what you're saying, right, because it all translates
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: back into their particular view of the world, all right,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: And it's just it's sort of infuriating, and it's it's like,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: and again, she has a big audience. They all do,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: massive audiences of women all believing that reality TV is real,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: and you have to and it makes you realize that
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: maybe the victorians had a point when they said about
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: you know, young women reading novels. Yeah, maybe maybe they
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: had a point there.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I think they might.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think they might.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So let me go to the next time code.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: But basically, this is a show about the phenomenon that
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: she thinks is happening.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: All right. So this is from a time code called uh.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: This is about women, the mother being the only woman
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: in the boy's life. So again divarring mother's stuff. I
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: did get a rumble round. Let me read it really
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: quick from Novafan twenty one because a dollar and says
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Bryarny sees the results of feminism creating single mother behavior
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and perpetuity. How do I blame this on patriarchy instead
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: of women. Yeah, well, that's the thing. They presume that
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: everything they've done could only have positive outcomes. So if
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: there are negative outcomes downstream from the things that they've instituted,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: that couldn't be because of what they've done, because they
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: have very good intentions, you see, and good intentions are
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: far more important than real consequences.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Like they felt good about what they supported, and they
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: still want to feel good about it. It's actually more
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: important that they feel good about it than fix it
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: than like try to address it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's about to tell us all how the effects
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: of the single mother households and the effects of women
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: don't it's not quite parentifying, LD, but I guess it
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: would be devouring or am treating treating their child not
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: in terms of the child's needs, but their own needs
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: for companionship and infantilization and needing to be needed. So
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: this is a form of abuse, you.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And on top of that, they're using their children
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: as props for their social media clout. That's another thing
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that she will never point out because again, that would
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: look bad. That makes the women look responsible for something
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: they're doing that has nothing to do with men or patriarchy.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Women are on here. I mean, look at look at
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: this screenshop. Okay, look at the women there. They're posing
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: for the camera. They have a video going. I guess
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: they're clearly want to be seen. Like they did their makeup,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: they did their outfit on all that. You know, they're
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: looking as pretty as they can and they're making a
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: statement about their child ldren. They are flexing on other
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: women right now. This is call of duty for women.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: They are flexing on other women. They are getting headshots.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: That's what they're trying to do with social media posts
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: like that say making Christmas extra special. So even if
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: my son marries your daughter, they still come to my
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: house for Christmas. This is a flex that like saying
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: my son deserves like more than your daughter, like likes
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: like a higher higher on the on the I don't know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: totem pole on the hierarchy than your daughter. Of course,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: women don't have a problem with patriarch or hierarchy if
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: they're on top or they get to be the one
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that's dominating.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm not even saying this condemn these women, like
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: What you do with your personal life or what you
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: do on social media, but let's not pretend that that's
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: not what you're doing.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Just be honest about what you know.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: This is competition. Yes, that they're saying that the woman
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: better and they created it's this experience.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Then it's just like it's.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Just like when Sarah Stock posted a picture of her
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: engagement ring and said, I won.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: This is the next level. This is here's my kid.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: He's beautiful, he's the best, and you better pray that
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: you are good enough to get him as a husband.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And if they had a daughter, they would say the
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: same thing about their daughter too. So it's not it
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the genera of the child.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: It's about the mothers and how they're using it to
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: They're using their children and their family as props for
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: their social media cloud.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: And Bob said, in terms of dominance within the relational web,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: which you know, you think you'd want to create a
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: good experience for your kid because it's your kid, But
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: what do I know? All right, let's do the next
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: time code.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: All right, let's yeah, this is the next time code.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So let me just look at it really quick here. Yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure a.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Number of people have done this as a joy, but
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: it does speak to this real issue of this possessiveness
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: of boy mums, in particular by that precious little guys.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like the grown up version of the
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Pickmy Girl, where internalized misogyny is so strong that you
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: just find yourself by your relationship to a man. But
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: it turns out the man dedicated to them is that baby,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: not always that patna. When I ask again invest for
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: a boy, that was okay.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so internalized misogyny that's what it is.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: See yeah, okay, so byrony. When a woman turns the
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: child that she is responsible for into a resource for herself,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: your problem with it is that she's centering her life
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: around a man. Well she isn't. She's centering her life
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: around a resource that happens to be boy shaped. She's not.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: She's not really centering her life around her boy, because
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: that would require recognizing that he has a separate existence
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: aside from being a resource for her. What these women
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: are demons is that they've turned their children into resources
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: for themselves. They're boys into resources for themselves, right, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: that doesn't that like again she's saying this, this is
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: internalized misogyny. No it isn't. It's more like internalized narcissism
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: and self aggrandizement and the belief that the world revolves
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: around you and that when you have a kid, the
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: kid exists for you and for whatever designs you have
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: upon it and whatever it can deliver for you. Byrony,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: that has nothing to do with internalized misogyny. It's a
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: completely different pathology. You see something completely different. Not everything
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: is that in women, but of course it is for her,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, because you have to land on patriarchy as
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the blame, so which is effectively men. I got a
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: super chat from official rev TRD for five dollars thank you,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and he says, remember Brian, before women watched reality TV,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: they watch soap operas and Jerry Springer. I can't watch
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Springer without John Henson. They still watch that stuff, to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: be honest, And they watch the View and the Talk
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and whatever those other panel those female panel shows are,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and soap operas and reality TV, So it hasn't gotten better,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: it's only gotten worse.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And they're on social media too, which is like a
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: whole different bag of worms. It is a fucking battlefield
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: out there if you're a woman. But okay, let's let
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: me see how far much more to this time code
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: is there for forty Yeah, we got another like thirty
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: seconds or so.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: It should have been more specific about the age. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: then when those little boys grow up, the attachment remains there.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Boy moms, do you talk to yourself daily thinking about
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: them breaking up with you at fourteen? In the caption,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: she says, I literally cry about it once a day.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: But it's not a breakup, as you're not in a
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: romantic relationship. Reminder, a parent's job is to raise their
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: child to be an independent adult. What it's really about
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: is no longer being the only woman in the life
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: and them being more independent from you. And let's be real,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: it hurts that he won't choose me anymore. And isn't
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: it a good thing rather than them needing you all
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: the time that they want to see you? And this
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: friendly is where there's almost force dependency comes in, where
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: these boy moms make them so rely on them to
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: function because they don't know how to cook, clean, wash,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: do anything for themselves. Then mothers take such good care
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: of them and an attempt to make sure that they
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: never want to leave. They're never going to abandon them.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: And that's a big presumption thereby any that these mothers
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: know how to wash, clean, cook, Well, a lot of
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: boys in this situation do this stuff themselves. Of course,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: that's not even a consideration in any of this, is it?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: No, all right, next time. Code. That was the end
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of that one. So now we got to talk about
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: The best love I think I've ever received from any
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: human in any other form. Like, it's not like little
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: girls like sweet kiss is and you know.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Cuddles and all that cutesy shit.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: No, that's not it, that's not it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: They try to take your life. God are they cute?
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: But I have been physically assaulted all day long.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Vinni's not messing, she's being hyperbolic and funny, guys, she's
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: talking about a toddler basically, So when when she says
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: my toddler is assaulting me, remember that Brierny is going
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: to take that literally instead of seriously and run with it, okay.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Richard Bierre says, five dollars new drinking game every time,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Allison says.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Oh good Lord to take a shot of Jaeger. Thank
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you for that, all right?
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: See Vinnie's perfect jersey. Sure A patron actually reminded me
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: of this show. And Vinni's mom is like the epitome
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: of a boy mom when it comes to coddling their
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: son a lawns and chicken cold.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: This is let me help you, Bennie, because you've filled
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: up a whole suitcase with two things, just.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Going over and cleaning for him, doing everything, setting up food,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: all sorts. There's a common sentiment that if you've got boys,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: you just need to be able to handle more. You
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: have to be able to get down in the dirt
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: when you're dealing with boys, but with girls, you don't
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: need to worry about any of that stuff. You have
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: to be cut from a special cloth in order to
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: be able to handle.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Being a boy mom. I love.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: So now she pivots to if you're a boy mom
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: because boys are never expected to do any like work.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Women their mothers do it for them, but girls, because
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: they are expected to clean. I guess, and you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: take care of themselves. Then that's why they're ignored. So
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: she's trying to like do this weird thing where she
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: takes this again. She's using a reality TV show, Jersey Shore,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: in order to make a point about real people, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: then she expands out of that to be like, oh,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you know these these this mom, this mom, this Italian mom.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I think they're Italian. She is cooking and cleaning for
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: her son and do you know dot doting on him
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and checking on him, and like, you know, it cares
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: about him. And look, my mom is like that too.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that all of you guys probably have moms
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: or most of you guys have moms that they still
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: see you as their little boy even if you're grown.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: That's normal.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: But she's using that to make a statement about again,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: like every relationship. And she's also trying to use the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: way that this woman treats her son in contrast to
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: how they treat they would treat a daughter, which would
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: be worse, I guess, which is misogyny because it's against girls,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and therefore it's patriarchy because all misogyny is patriarchy.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, here's what I'm seeing first of all, these
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: women are turning their son into emotional resources for themselves.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Treating a boy or a young man who's like, I
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: don't know, in his late teens like an infant, is
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: not treating him according to what he needs. And also
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: if these women are not teaching their children the basic
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: skills to function as adults, because every adult needs to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: be able to cook, even though I don't know how,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: you know, clean, do laundry, that kind of thing. If
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: they're not actually treating their children or developing those skills,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: then again they're not actually doing their job as a parent.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: And then if you turn around and say that the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: boy who has been not raised properly has been turned
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: into basically an emotional resource for his mother, not taught
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: the skills of adulthood, and then you blame him for
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: her failings, I mean, it reminds me of an animal
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: or like a story that I heard about. Well, actually
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: it was from a group. One a mother who was
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: part of like a you know, they had like a
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: mom's group, and there was a father, a stay at
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: home father, and they were complaining that I think there
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: were two stay at home fathers that both of them
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: had made it so that their children were doing their chores,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: were helping out around the house, and had instilled in
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: them enough self reliance that they could go out and
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: play on their own, so they didn't constantly helicopter monitor them.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: And these women were complaining that this was a failure
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: of being a parent, and I'm like reading this and
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it isn't it is it. They're actually
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: doing their job. And you know why I say that,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: And it's a harder job in some ways because teaching
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: a kid to do chores has a bigger upfront cost.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: So I guarantee those women are too lazy to pay
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: that bigger upfront cost in order to facilitate their children
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: growing into capable adults. But that's the attitude here, right.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: If these young men don't know how to do chores,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: that's on their mom for not teaching them properly. And
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I bet if they had a stay at home dad
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: they would know, right, Okay, that's on them. If these
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: boys have a very screwed up relationship to emotion and affection,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: it's because these mothers have turned them into resources for
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: an adult woman's needs instead of recognizing that children have
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: their own needs and should be honored as individuals who
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: require things from you, not just giving things to you.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: But in both cases, Byrony is blaming the boy, and
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: they're also exonerating the month. Oh it's it's it's toxic mess.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: No it's not. It's internalized patriarchy. It's being a pigmy. No,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: it's not Byrony. It's being a selfish cunt, right that.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: It's being a narcissistic mother. Right, It's being somebody who
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: sees other people in terms of their own personal resources
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: instead of actual people with their own independent needs, particularly
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: the children, which they have complete control over. And this
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: is again a failure of relational web thinking, which turns
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: people into resources that you extract from. This is the
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: one of the failure modes of the relational web thinking.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: So and that is very much, uh a immersion effect
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: of oxytocin generalist thinking. So this is like, if you're
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: oxytocin dominant, you tend towards this kind of thinking. You
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: think in terms of social top topologies, You think of
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: terms of dominance and submission, you think of terms of
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: access to resources. This is the way women generally think.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Now I'm not gonna say that this is the only
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: way that women think, but it certainly is the predominant
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: way that women think in our society. And she is
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: saying that these women who think in a modality that
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: predominantly women think in are somehow affected by are infected
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: by patriarchy. No, bitch, they don't have enough patriarchy. That's
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: the problem, right. The children don't have enough damn patriarchy.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: They don't have a father teaching them to do chores.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing. Like a father holds his children
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: to external standards. That's why the fathers were teaching their
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: kids' chores. That's why their fathers were teaching their kids
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: how to navigate the neighborhood. Presumably it was reasonably safe,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: so we could rely on the kids to do it themselves.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: They're teaching their kids how to face the world and
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: deal with it. Right, So she is attributing an absence
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: of women being able to recognize their own children as
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: individuals with their own needs and mistaking them for resources
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: that the mother themselves gets access to or should have
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: access to. So they recast a child from something that
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: you are growing and helping to grow into something that
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: provides you stuff. That's what these women are doing and
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: the absence of men fathers to teach these young people
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: the external standards necessary to grow up into adulthood. And
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: then she attributes all of the the absence of patriarchy
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: to patriarchy. And I'm using patriarchy a little bit. You know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: she treats the absence of fatherhood and she attributes it
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: to too much mail and luence ence.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Well, she does kind of do that later on, so
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: it's not that unbelievable. All right, let's say there's twenty
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: seconds left in this clip, we might as well just
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: play it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Are you hearing that?
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: And they's actually violent, You just have to get used
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: to it. But the thing is that they love you
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: that much more than girls do.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, they're not naturally violent, Johnny.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: No, she's saying that. The woman is saying that, but
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: she's not saying that. She's saying that.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: She's just saying that the way that boys like when
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: they're babies and toddlers, the way that boys explore the world,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: she thinks it's different. I don't really think it's that
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: different from girls. But she, the mom is mistakenly attributing
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: boy behavior.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And again, this might be.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: More of this self referential stuff, because if you are
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: a new mom and you have have like your first child,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: and it's a boy, you might have assumptions about like
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: what the boy does based on his sex, based on
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: what you have learned you know, about boys, about men,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and then you're just saying, oh, yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: That's the way they are. That's right.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: My teachers and the television and everybody else told me
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: that boys are inherently violent. So when he throws things,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: that's just him doing what they do. And so, you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: it's more of this self referential stuff. It's like a
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: it's just it's already baked in, you know. Mm hmm,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: all right, a little bit left the.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Future, does it. We can really see how this can
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: easily evolve to, well, boys don't see mess. Oh he
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: didn't understand his strength. Oh he's just playing. Don't take
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: it so seriously. Boys just don't know how to do
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: things like girls naturally do boys that have the patience
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: for it. And besides, why should he have to learn
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: how to cook? Why would he need to know how
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: to use a dishwasher? Brandon's had grown men at work?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Not Okay, I think you see where she's going.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: With that, right, Yeah, and again the only the only
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: actual anecdote I know from real people is that stay
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: at home fathers are teaching their kids this stuff. And
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: apparently there's there is a mom group somewhere in the
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: midwest West US that is incredibly offended at the fact
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: that the stay at home dads that are they have
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: any kind of access to or teaching their kids to
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: do chores. Yeah, they're they're framing it as laziness on
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: the part of the men. Good lord, you drink Yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: oh god, I guess that qualifies too.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going unless the next time code like.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: That quiet focused time. But it's also not lady life
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: for girls that anticipant in the boys stuff, which impacts
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: them negatively too one time. We'll understand that falls people
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: into by.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, so Byrony is saying so Byrony is saying that
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: boys can't control themselves their rough house, So boys shouldn't
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: be able to participate in the boy stuff, but girls
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: should be able to participate in the boy stuff. Byrony,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: is the boy stuff something you want people to do
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: or not want people to do, or is it only
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: good if girls do it and boys don't do it?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I think that's it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it's only good.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yep, it's only good if boys do it and girls
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: don't do it. No, it's only good if girls doing what.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: We considering that. I'm sorry, Byrony. Men grow up to
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: be substantially stronger than you, right, wouldn't it be a
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: good thing that as children, they're starting to learn their
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: physical boundaries with other people right before they're like six
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: foot and you know, like one hundred and eighty pounds
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: and could break someone's job at losing their temper. Like, Byrony,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: your entire framework requires that men and women not be
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: different than they are. They are, and it would make
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: perfect sense that when a boy who is small, you know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: he needs to push against his boundaries because he's learning
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: how to control himself in a way that maybe girls
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: don't need to learn. And that's the other thing she's
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: reversing this. She's saying, Oh, boys are more aggressive, they're
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: more rough and tumble. That means they don't have to
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: learn as much as girls. No, Byrony, it means they
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: have to learn more. It's just that they haven't yet.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Do you understand the freaking difference? Like this is such
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: like this individual is so profoundly. I don't know if
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: she's this stupid in real life or she's just playing
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: it to it for the YouTube audience. But does she
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: not understand any of this?
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: No, she thinks she's pretty smart, Allison.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Does she understand anything that I'm laying out proviously?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Not?
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: She would never engage with it, never engage with understanding
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: that people need boys, kids need to learn things. So
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that when a when a toddler, a
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: male toddler is getting into mischief and very rambunctious, right,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that people are letting that go and
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: he's gonna grow up to be an adult man who
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: beats I don't know, beats people. Right, Actually it's the opposite.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: You know, fathers get in there withbunctious kids and teaching
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: them the rules. You know, if you if you do
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: something to hurt someone else, you get withdraw of attention
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: an interest. Right. That actually teaches kids. But she doesn't
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: seem to understand that children learn things. It's like if
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: you allow a boy to be rambunctious as a two
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: year old, that he can't learn to moderate his strength
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: by doing that. In Byrony's world, like now, what point
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: is a child supposed to be held to the standards
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: of an adult man by which also, by the way,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Byrony is not held to the standards of an adult man.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: If she was, she'd be laughed off YouTube for this nonsense.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: And I don't think a male audience would tolerate this
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: complete lack of I don't know. She just have to
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: shore ass basically because her mouth doesn't nothing good's coming
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: out of it. Okay, let's keep.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Going, all right, now, there's more to this clip, so
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: we're gonna play a little bit more.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I've talked about this all before. When it comes to
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: gender reveals, the manchild pipeline starts at such a young
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: age as well. It's twenty ten research Barney Byrony.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: The man child pipeline starts when men are children. Like
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: I just said, when does she expect a boy to
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: assume adult male responsibilities and control? Apparently the moment she's born, Yes,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the moment he's born, he should be paying taxes. I'm
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: being taught to control his you know, to have to
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: control his patriarchal privilege. That's it, like just just right
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: out the womb, that's right. This is ridiculous.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: I would say, don't have children, but she probably won't
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: don't have cats because your standards, she does, Oh those
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: poor cats.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Pretty sure that she does.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think she has children, but I'm expecting
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming that she's got cats. All right, So there
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: is let's see, yeah, about a little bit more to this.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: The harsher critics on their daughters, which I think that
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of women and gender non conforming people can
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: definitely attest to from personal experience. Not seing you for.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Months, and I'm standing here a lot of women and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: gender non conforming people also known as a lot of
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: women and women are in a neck brace even.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Ask how I'm doing or what happened, or I assume
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: you did something stupid.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: Dennis ran over me with his car.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: There you go again. Don't you think it's about time
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: you start taking responsibility for your actions?
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: The studies showed she's.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Literally using a clip from It's Always Sonny in Philadelphia,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: which is a really, really really over the top ridiculous
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: show about ridiculous people. So when you present a ridiculous
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: scenario like a mom saying, why don't you take responsibility
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: for getting run over? She's presenting this as objective evidence
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: for her claim a clip from It's Always Sunny.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: God?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: How does this person have any credibility? All is what
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering. All right, there's thirty seconds left.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Twice it's likely to be more critical of their daughters
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: and their sons, while over half admitted that they feel
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: a stronger tie to their son than their daughter.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: So, okay, there's a study that she's claiming. The twenty
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: five hundred strong survey by parenting website net Moms found
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: that although almost one half of mothers say they know
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: it is wrong to treat boys and girls differently, almost
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: ninety percent admit they do exactly that mothers are. The
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: research shows twice as lucky to be more critical of
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: their daughters than their sons, while over half admitted that
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: they feel a stronger tired at their son than their daughter. Okay, Allison,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: do you want do you see that?
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Well? Over half? Wouldn't that be if it's first of all,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: over half could be like fifty and then that wouldn't
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: that just be the odds a right? Like, wouldn't that
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: just be generally? Yeah?
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, if you have if you have a son,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: how do you measure that because what if you only
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: have one kid?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I have to look at
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the survey.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: This this is quoting the Guardian, by the way, so
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: totally respectable outlet, like they're totally like legit Guardian as you.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Know, yeah, of course, all right.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pulling up.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: I'm pulling up the study as well. But it's just
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: taking all right.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: No problem, no problem, all right, there's another thirty.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Seconds more positive traits than their sisters. More than one
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: in five mother's question admitted that they turn a blind
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: eye to the behavior of boys for which they would
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: reprimand their girls.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Do you know what it's like to grow up with
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: someone who is critical of every single thing? I can imagine.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Moms love their sons, but they raised their daughters. Like
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Willow Smith brought up in this Red Table talk.
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: You know, when I was younger, something as simple as
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: just like getting up at the right time.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: It would be like you wait, like you better get
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: up to me, and be like, oh no, no, school,
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: school's about to be you better get dressed. We need
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: to get It would be like I'd be in my
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: room like okay, I gotta get it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: But then Jane is there.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: She'd be like, oh, are you ready to and he'd
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: be like, oh.
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: Maybe one moment.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, I know Jada, certainly.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Certainly a woman who's basically abusive or her husband is
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: a fantastic source. This entire family is not totally screwed
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: up irony. Okay, So this is okay. The twenty ten
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: research is the net Mom's survey October twenty ten, the
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: self report online survey, So probably garbage of self selected
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: mothers on a UK parenting forum. Media reported, not pure reviewed,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: no preregistration. So basically the sample is garbage. Bottom of
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: the hierarchy when it comes to any kind of evidence. Wait, no,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: that's not the bottom. The bottom is reality TV. Right,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: that's probably the bottom of the hierarchy in terms of evidence. No, no,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: that's not even the bottom. The bottom is fiction things
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: that are made up. Is the bottom of the hierarchy
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: for evidence, and that is one of the most common
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: sources of evidence for any of these women's claims. Okay,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: So it's a reported self report, all right. To the night.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Mothers are more critical of daughters, more indulgence of sons.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: More than half said they had formed a stronger bond
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: with their sons, more likely to describe girls as strappy
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: and serious and sons as cheeky and loving, and twice
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: twice as likely to be more critical towards their daughters.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: So at face value, the instrument did return what she's saying.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Now there's an omission. Are you say as surprised? We're
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: now going to go into the secret part of the survey.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Fifty one percent of fathers who found one child easier
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: to bond with said it was easiest with their daughter,
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: So that this is not this is not actually like
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: if you're asking, okay, do you do you find one
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: child easier to bond with and the parents say, yes,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: that's a subset of a subset. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, Like,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: it's not fifty percent, it is it is less than
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: fifty percent because it's a subset of these parents. Is
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: this a subset like the fathers of parents that find
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: it difficult to bond with both children, like the fathers
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna find out for sure, guys. All right, right, So,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: so fathers found it easier to bond with their daughters
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: fifty one percent, which is a mirror of the mother's
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: fifty four point nine percent towards sons, and twenty eight
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: point five percent of men agreed I am more critical
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: of my son versus thirteen point two percent more critical
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: of my daughter. So men are twice as likely to
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: be more critical of their sons than their daughters. Oh,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: I wonder if I wonder if the high preponderance of
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: single mothers is actually creating this problem as well, considering
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: it seems to be the father according to the survey,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: which is which is you know, take it with a
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: grain assault or a boulder assualt. According to this survey,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: fathers are more likely to raise their sons and mothers
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: are more likely to raise their daughters or be more critical. Right.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that it corresponds to actually raising them,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: but regardless, but this is going the asymmetry is going
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: to come out when you get rid of the father, right,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: because then you don't have the parent that's going to
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: be more critical of the son.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: All right, So she doesn't even she completely omits the
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: fact that the the numbers are reversed for fathers, right this. Uh,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: But of course if she did put that in, it
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: would be really hard to argue, well, no, it wouldn't
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: be hard to argue. She would argue that patriarchy causes both.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Of course, patriarchy causes mothers to be critical of their daughters,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: and patriarchy causes or fathers to be critical of their sons.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: And then she would accuse mothers of not raising their sons,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: which requires some form of criticism, and if fathers weren't
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: critical to their sons, she would say that is also patriarchy,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: because raising a child requires criticism. I feel like everything
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: always lands on patriarchy or no, sorry, patriarchal oppression, not
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: just patriarchy.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, everything lands there. It's that all the way down. Okay,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this is over. Let's get to the last
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: time code in this video painful, I know. And then
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I got some data I want to share.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, So it is parallel. The mother's fifty four percent
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: prefer sons is also a subset of those who already
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: reported a bonding preference, not all parents. So that's a
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: subset of mothers in a subset of fathers. So it
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean half of mothers prefer their sons.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Right, it means then, okay, go ahead, So half of.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: The mothers who say they have a preference prefer their sons,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: which means half of the mothers who say they have
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: a preference prefer their daughters, which might just be individual preference.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: It might just be that they prefer a kid who
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: happens to be the son over a kid who happens
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: to be the daughter. And it has nothing to do
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: with sex. Once. It's like a coin toss, it really doesn't. Yeah.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: If anything, the only the only thing that might be
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: slightly stronger is that mom, I guess I'm mothers might
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: be slightly It's it's really small though. Fifty fifty five
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: percent versus forty five percent, that's not a really large effect.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: All right, let's keep going.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got we got more to do here. Let's
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: see the last time code in the first.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Video here, So and really, yeah, how to be strong,
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: how to keep going, how to carry things I probably
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: shouldn't have had to carry as a little girl. And
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: now I'm raising three boys who loved me so gently,
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: so freely, without even trying. Sometimes it hits me, this
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: is the kind of love I used to wish for.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: It's not complicated, it's not distant, it's just safe. It's consistent,
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: and I don't think it's a coincidence. I really believe
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: God trusted me with them first so I could experience
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: a kind of love I always deserve. Do you remember
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: at the start of this video with the mother wrapping
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: her legs around her son, and but the mom went
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: on a massive defensive after this whole situation blew up
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: in the video went viral. I come from a very
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: affectionate family. I hug my dad every time I see him.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: That's fine, Well you start on the football field, It's
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: just how we are. Bricks will pick me up and
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: squeeze me and then put me back down. Also, she
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: has in a relationship with another man. They're having another
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: baby together. Good luck to them, including good luck to
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: the baby. The video that's gone viral.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Actually so caddy, good luck to the baby?
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: What okay? Well, I mean maybe they are a very
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: affectionate family. She does have a she's in a relationship
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: with another man. So she left the man that she
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: had the son with.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I guess, so that didn't work out for whatever reason.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Or this is the same man and they're just having
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: a baby when she's a bit older. No idea, no idea,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Like the questions that I have are not being answered here. Yes,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: to me, it looks creepy. Maybe it's a little less
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: creepy if it's a very affectionate family, but okay, yeah,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: but you're right around Caddy, which.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Is really important to note because she shared her son
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: who was defending her to someone. I was just giving
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: her a hug after the game and I picked her up.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: She did not jump on me. My mom's been the
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: only person there for me my whole life.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: It was an alcoholic dad who would just come and
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: go when he wanted. He was great when he was sober,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: but when he wasn't, he was just so dark and different.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: He never really showed it to any of my games
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: or anything like that. My mom's been to every single
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: one since I've played. His father passed the year before
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: this whole hug thing actually happened. It's a very dark
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: backstory and it's really horrible, but it's kind of getting
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: this surrogate love from a son in place of like
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: the husband who's been a lap down my heart does.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: So the father died, apparently he didn't show up to
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: all the games whatever. I don't know what the story is,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: but his actual father is dead.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Go to the family because that's a really awful situation.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: But I also still understand because myself included just weirded
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: out by the leg wrap thing. We also see this
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: attitude a lot from all of the overly involved mothers
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: from I Love a Mama's Boy and Be Again.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Overly involved mothers appear in a reality TV show called
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I Love a Mama's Boy.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, what what, why are we why are
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: we surprised?
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Why are we reversing the arrow of causality? It's the
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: mothers who are constructing this. Like a child is completely
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: dependent on his parent and the mother is raising their
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: son to be like this. Then who is responsible? Byrony, Yeah,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: I mean at some point, you know, the man has
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: to take responsibility. But part of that is recognizing what
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: was done to you was out of your control. You
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: have to deal with it now that's in your control.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: But you're not responsible for your mother parentifying you, infantalizing you,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: turning you into resource and emotional resource for herself, right,
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: not trading you as an indie visual who required their
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: own things to develop, not wanting to show up as
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: a mother, right, as the as the parent who is
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: responsible for whatever their kid needs to grow, including proper boundaries. Right,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: that's on the mother byrony. And the thing is that
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: I hope this is the last one because I want
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: to get into my commentary. This is the last one
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: for this video, all right, So what happens?
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not done with the time code.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Yet though, Okay, let's finish the time code Yeah.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, hold on, man, So yeah.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Stairs and the wall to change, which you know I
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: always bring up any agenda can uphold patriarchy in that
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Bell Hooks.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: By the way, personal favorite inspiration for Anita Sarkisian big big,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: big intersectional feminists from the sixties.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, exactly what these boy moms are doing? Sigle mothers
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: are often the most brutal when it comes to quesce
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: and their sons to conform to patriarchal standards. The single
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: mom who insists that her boy child be a man
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: is not anti patriarchal, she is enforcing patriarchal well. In
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: researching boyhood, August Silverstein observed in single parent families, it's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: constant boys who have become them mother's little men. Often
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: these boys are very bossy children who patronize their mothers
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: who in fact do uncanny imitations of a certain kind
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: of husband being ultimately possessive, protective, and seductive, whether in
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: single parent or two parent households, like Sabrina.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Byrony, are you just blazing through this? A boy doesn't
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: become seductive with his adult female caretaker if he hasn't
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: been sexualized. Well, you're talking about the hoof prince of
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: sexual abuse. And I can't believe whoever was the clinical
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: what is this?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Bell Hooks, Belle Hooks is no no wait.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: August Silverstein observed in single parent families, it's common to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: see boys would become their mother's little men. Often these
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: boys are very bossy children who patronize their mothers, who
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: in fact do uncanny invitations of a certain kind of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: husband being alternative, alternately possessive, productive, and seductive.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're they're.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Saying, Oh my god, they're saying that little boys that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I guess can be babies. It can be babies demanding, picky, childish, needy.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: That's just male entitlement, Allison.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm actually pausing on the seductive part. Oh yeah,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: So what they're saying is that these boys are expressing
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: sexual behaviors towards their adult female parent. That is a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: symptom of sexual abuse, and somehow Byrony is skating past
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: that to blame it on patriarchy. Are you fucking kidding me?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: So they're taking the behavior of children of boys who
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: have been turned in sounds like sexually abused by their
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: their their mouth parentified by their mothers. They're taking this
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: behavior and they're blaming it on patriarchy rather than a
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: pathological woman. Like I've said a couple a couple days
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: ago or a week ago that the next thing on
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: feminism's agenda is to excuse women abusing children. I didn't
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: realize i'd be proven. I thought that was hyperbole. I
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: thought that was like, oh, kids, that's gonna be like,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: that's gonna be two thousand and thirty's big push. Oh no,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: I'm off by like what twenty thirty years. They're already
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: doing it. They're already doing it. Patriarchy is when mothers
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: raped their sons, guys. Patriarchy is when mothers turn their
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: sons into adult men and they then, you know, extract
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: their needs from their emotional and sexual needs from did.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: You know that?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Like, oh god, what the fuck is these people's problem? Like,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: I can't, I can't like this is this is just horrifying.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: So now men are to blame for adult women sexually
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: and emotionally abusing children, their children. They're boys somehow, somehow
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: that's patriarchy. This is pathological. This is and this woman
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: is pathological. Yep, okay?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Is this all right? So that's the last time code.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got two more videos to too, I know,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: I know, all.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Right, that's the end. No, I finished it?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: You finished the timecode? You want to do your thing now?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Or do you want to move the next video?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: This one is a little hard to recover from.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Guys, all right, I just want to share. Let me
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: share something though.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: There's something that I looked at because when I first
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: heard about this video, I thought, oh, this is the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: devouring Mother. That's that's what the women in that she
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: is using from these like Mama's boy things. This is
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: the devouring Mother. The devouring Mother, because you guys don't know,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: is a psychological archetype, primarily from Youngian analytical psychology. It
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: represents the shadow or negative poll of the great mother archetype.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Now I'm not I don't think you necessarily have to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: be like, you know, in agreeance with young on all
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: of it. But I think that what it describes makes sense.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: So this is often characterized by overprotection and smothering, helicopter parenting,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: emotional manipulation through guilt, conditional love, or subtle sabotage. This
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: is on the part of the mother towards their children, right,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: not just sons but also daughters, treating the child as
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: an extension of herself rather than a separate person, hence
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: the social media posts where they're using their children to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: market themselves. Fear of the child's independence as it threatens
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: her identity and relevance, infantilizing the child, keeping them dependent
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: so she remains needed, potential negative consequences on sons, go ahead,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry else and go ahead.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: Was that fear of losing the child that was the
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: breakup at fourteen that byrony So essentially Byrony is reporting
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: on the behavior of narcissistic mothers, narcissistic abusive mothers, and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: she's blaming it on patriarchy. Yep, Okay, what layer of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: moral bankruptcy? What layer of the hell of moral bankruptcy
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: are we at now?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: So what are the potential negative consequences on sons failure
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: to launch peter Pan syndrome.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: You guys know what that means?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Weak sense of self and identity issues. Their authentic personality
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: is suppressed. They may become a mama's boy who prioritizes
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: the mother's approval over their own needs, leading to poor
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: selfish confusion about their identity. Yes, that's exactly right, and
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: difficulty making decisions, Anxiety, depression and low confidence, relationship and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: intimacy problems, difficulty forming healthy romantic partnerships, Trust issues, and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: anger towards women can emerge because they resent their mother.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: For holding them back. Underdeveloped masculinity and passivity. Oh look,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: underdeveloped masculinity. How about that sort of blame pressure.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Gan, it's actually the over development of masculinity that
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: causes the underdevelopment of masculinity. Yeah, brilliance here, guys. She
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: is a modern gay an Aristotle.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: She is like operating on the level we can't conceive of.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: You have to have a really high IQ to appreciate
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: briorny Claire's content. Emotional regulation problems suppress anger toward the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: mother often turns inward or outward. They they develop survival
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: persona's focused on managing their emotions or her emotions rather
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: than their own emotions, and dependency and incompetence, so that
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: these are things that can happen from the devouring mother behavior.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: And I ask, see, I knew the answer, but I thought, well,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: let me just find out. Does an absent father contribute
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: to this dynamic? Yes, an absent father is significantly contributes
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: and often enables the devouring mother dynamic, especially with sons.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: This is a well established pattern in Jungian psychology, family
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: systems theory, and critical observation. So it's not just Jungian
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: why the absent father makes it work worse. Number one,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: it creates a vacuum that the mother fills. Number two,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: it disrupts healthy separation and individuation because fathers teach their
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: children how to be separate from their parents, like the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: mom operates on the inside and the dad operates on
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: the outside.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: If that makes sense right. Number Three, emotional enmeshment.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Surrogate husband dynamic and absent or weak father frequently leads
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: to mother's son enmeshment. The mother may turn to her
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: son for emotional support, companionship validation, or even protection roles
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: that should belong to a partner. So yeah, that's where
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: mothers get my little man thing, or they sort of
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: like their sons become a surrogate for a man, and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: that's why they they they won't let them go because
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: the mother won't won't be allow herself to be on
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: her own the mother's unmet needs. Many divining mothers are
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: emotionally hungry due to their own unmet needs such as loneliness.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: President supportive father helps meet those needs, reducing the pressure
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: on the child. So yeah, I mean, you guys get
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: the general sense of it. If there's a man in
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: the house. And by the way, Brianny Claire in this video,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't play the clip, but she said that she
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: didn't know her father. So Brianny Claire is herself a
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: product of a fatherless home. There you go, And we
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: don't know the details, but it's probably his fault because
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: you know, it's always his fault.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, well byrony.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Both. Okay. So she basically says that boys were groomed
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: to be reliant, but then also they are responsible for
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: this situation and it it sort of follows like a pattern, right,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: So she keeps the man child as a standing object
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: of contempt. He's not blamed as a child and condemned
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: as an adult, with an in between the part where
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: the architecture was built without consent, never producing respect. So
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: he's apparently she doesn't blame the kid, but somehow she
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: condemns the adult right never so never produces respect for
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: what was done to him, only a downgrade the exculpation, exculpitation,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: I don't sculpt. The excuse is extended to the offending mothers,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: and it's fuller and warmer. It's an understandable journey. Society
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: set the trap for women, what else are they meant
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: to do? And that it's not extended to the men.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: He gets, The men get a three year ole reduction,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: excused and idiot, promoted to villain and never restored as
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: a wronged moral subject. So she never really situates the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: idea that sexually abusing your son is a bad thing
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: for women to do, and also emotionally abusing him, because
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that all of these women are sexually
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: abusing their sons, but they're definitely emotionally abusing them, And
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: she never situates sits with that and says, hey, that's bad.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: You know that actually women shouldn't be doing that. Notice
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: how she doesn't talk about what women shouldn't be doing. Yeah,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: that never happens, that's never brought up. Okay, So the
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: exculpatory charge groom to manipulate, not his fault, appears when
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: the woman is the target. Actually, this is later on,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: so I won't go into that, but I will pull
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: out the modality analysis. Right, So this is the This
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: is for Byrony's work where she's actually employing the reading
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: modality and analyzing things based on it. Okay, So boy
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: mom theory son loves mother more than anyone daughter, as
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: sad Cat memes. So that's basically just reading people's intentions,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: trying to decode the space between what they're doing and
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: what they actually mean. So I'll always be my son's
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: first love decoded as competition, possessiveness, grown up, pick me girl,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: define yourself by your relationship to a man. So that's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: not just her reading modality, like assigning a coordinate to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: all these women, it's also excluding them from her moral
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: circuit circle. Okay, force dependency, future girlfriend hell to the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: same standard as the mother. So somehow the boy is
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: simultaneously revolves his life around his mother's emotional needs, but
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: the future girlfriend is held to the same in standard
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: of entitlement that the boy has for his mother. How
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: does that work? How has a boy rendered a resource
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: for his mother and then when he grows up and
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: gets a girlfriend that means he's going to treat her
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: like a resource. I mean, it's possible, but not in
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: this framework. It's not. It's not like, all right, anyway,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: this is this is a whole bunch of stuff. Just
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: suffice to say that she is constructing a bunch of
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: inference on very thin information. And let's move on to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: the next.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: One as usual. All right, So now there's part two
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: of this same series. I guess where she flips it.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: And now we're gonna blame We're not gonna blame men
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: for girl dads. So we did boy moms and that
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: was men's fault. Now we're gonna do girl dads. And
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: that's also she was gonna do the other chick.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: The other one, because it's the same topic.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, queer ky, we also does a video on boy
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: mom's Okay, we'll do that.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: They all, they all just they all are copying something.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they're copying each other's homework. Yeah, all
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: right then, uh queer Kiwi? Okay, so queer Kiwi, is
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: can I just say she really she's worse than Brianny
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: because her videos are really rambly, and I at least
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: got to give Brianny credit for I guess at least
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: having like an outline of lies that she puts together
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: and with clips and stuff and queer key. We just
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: turns the camera on and starts talking to it and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: just like there isn't a lot of useful stuff. But okay,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: fourteen minutes in, we're.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Gonna jump ahead to her talking about the boy mom thing.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: So is it like fourteen thirty seven? So here we go.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: So yep, Hello. I am wondering if anyone has been
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: able to survive a marriage with a husband who is
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: deeply enmeshed with his mother. My husband and I are
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 7: in counseling, and he has admitted that there is nothing
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: his mom could do that would make him stop talking
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: to her. She has made up a lot of lies
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: about me and tries to sabotage our marriage. Since day one.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: She has messaged people I work with lies about me
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: and showed up to my past workplaces to ask if
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: I was really there. A couple of years ago, she
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: reached out to my husband's secretary at the job, and
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: whatever lie she told her was so bad that his
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: secretary threatened to unlive me if it would help save
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: him from me. His mom is very narcissistic. My husband
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: refused to let me go to the cops, and he
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: never told his job about this. His secretary even showed
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: up to a bar my husband was at with his
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: friends and family one night. Thankfully I wasn't there, and
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: she was asking around looking for me to try and
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: fight me. She ended up getting kicked out of the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: bar for causing a scene, which was reported by a
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: random perse listen to his workplace. His hr awes him
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 7: if he knew about it, and he said not really.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 7: He chooses his own comfort over protecting me. He was
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: overwhelmed and busy at work and afraid to lose his secretary,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: which would cause him to have even less help.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: I can confound.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: There's no infidelity involved.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: God, this goes on and on. See, this is like
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: her content. It's like this, all right.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: She tells this story of this crazy woman, and obviously
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: this this lady is insane, like the way that she
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: treats her son, but it's quicker key.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: We going to blame this on the son on men.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but go ahead, Alison.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel this isn't really passing my
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: sniff test, like in.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Terms of it being like a real.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Somebody made a post online, it's totally legit. Why would
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: a woman lie, Allison?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: We have all the information necessary to understand this situation,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: Like I can understand her the mother having a problem
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: with her and making life miserable. But now she's saying
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: that his secretary also has a problem with her and
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: trying to like it's starting to feel like where there's smoke,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: there's fire, you know what I mean? Right? But I
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: can't tell and neither kN queer Kiwi. But I'm sure
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: that she's going to He's gonna infer. That's what women
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: do their profitses. Okay, Yeah, let's go with her whole life.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: And then he met me and we moved in together.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: She hated me for taking away her son. Good lord,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: this is such a horrible situation. This woman has been
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 7: putting up with this for nine years. Gal, you should
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 7: not have been putting up with this for nine years.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: This is like absolutely like I just don't think it's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: worth it. And this is the thing, right she acknowledges here,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: She's like he is deeply in mesh, Like this relationship
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: is in mesh, and she's recognizing the fact that like
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: there's been you know, psychological like manipulation and grooming or
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: whatever that happened within this relationship. Like he grew up
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: with this woman putting this importance on their relationship, and
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: like building this relationship like this, which obviously you can
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: feel sympathy for, you can like understand that that's a
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 7: difficult thing, and so you kind of overlook it in
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: hopes that taking him out of the situation, putting space there,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: Like that's gonna.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: No, I got a better theory, and I'm gonna say
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: that this is his her conjecture, based on some very
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: flimsy evidence, this woman is genuinely abusive to the point
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: where other people in this man's life are concerned for him.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: And the reason why he's not talking about it is
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: because men don't talk about that stuff like that. They
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: just endure it. And two she might end up going
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: to jail. There's another alternative explanation that fits the facts, Kiwi,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: But where of course we're gonna go with whatever. Does
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: she get to a point?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: I want to know where she lands on this?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, I don't know.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, this is like she this. I don't
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: like her content, but okay, get over.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: It because he's a good guy.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: He is a nice person, and you know, if he
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: just overcame this and separated from his mother a little bit,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: then everything would be fine. But it's not your job
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: to fix someone, right. Firstly, people aren't broken. There's nothing
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: to fix.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: It's just uh yeah, how do I make this work?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: How do I the one hand say something that makes
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: sense but also recognize that, Oh shit, I think I
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: just triggered some people in my audience when I said.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: What do you mean fix someone? What do you mean?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: No one needs fixing. We're all fine the way we are.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: To try to dance that anyway, let's just keep going.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: She just really wishy washy and doesn't really go anywhere.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: The thesis of her video is that toxic boy mom
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: relationships characterized by enmeshment and emotional manipulation, have severe negative
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: consequences when boys grow into men. So that's like an
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: acknowledgment of reality.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Like, yes, this is true. I don't think she actually
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: blames men for this.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: She just goes and like reads these anecdotes and says,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: oh my god, that woman is, you know, crazy. The
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: video argues that these mothers often see control rather than
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: her son's happiness, leading to dysfunctional adult relationships and significant
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: emotional harm for everyone involved.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Well, you have to be careful because if you're using
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: ivory mind, it's going to massage out anything that it considers.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I got the time codes in case
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: she does. I think it's worth listening.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that it's probably not going to be
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: as pointed as Brianny's video because Briaranny has a specific
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: agenda and she will try to make it work in
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: every video.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: But Okay, it's just something that he needs to work on.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: But it is not your responsibility to like get him
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: to deal with it. It's not your responsibility to try
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: to like heal this trauma and like make him move
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: away from it and help him recover from this situation. Like, firstly,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: that is a decision that he has to make on
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 7: his own, and he has to be willing and it, Like,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 7: I just don't think it is a good thing to do,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: to go into a relationship being like, I'll overlook this
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: thing because I think I can help him move past it.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: Because sometimes a lot of the time that's like not
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: within your capabilities. I think that there are so little
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 7: regard given to your own person sometimes, right like in
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: situations like this, there's obviously this understanding and empathy for
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: her husband and that overlooking of it to be like,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 7: he's great in every other way. This is just a
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: part that really bothers me.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: But oh god, it just keeps going.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Like Okay, okay, let me let me let me cut
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: this down a bit, all right, let me let me
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: figure out a better place to go, because this is yeah, again,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: this is really difficult. This one is difficult. She's rambling,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: she doesn't make a point.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I can go to. Yeah, I got your time codes.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe they will help it does, all right, which one
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: This is the Actually, I'll give you the time codes.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: I'll give you the time.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Code, give me the timecode, and I'll just go to it.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: You're twelve, okay, it go to actually go to eleven
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: o sex.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 7: You will have a daughter. You will never love her
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: as much as you love your son. And if that
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: is true, they are both going to know that, and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: it is going to teach this boy that like he
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: is better than girls, he is better than women. Is
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: going to teach these girls that they are not as
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: good as boys, not as good as men. That like,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: it's setting up these horrible misogynistic standards, and it is
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: setting up these boys to grow up and then like
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: think they deserve things from women. They think that they
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: are owed from women. They think that they are above them,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 7: and they deserve to receive but not have to give.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: And these girls will grow up the opposite, thinking that
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: they have to give, they have to serve, and that
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: is not okay, That is not okay. You should never
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: raise children like that.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. So basically, if you boy, moms raise their boys
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: to be entitled. And that's the same thing that Brierny
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: is arguing as well. So it's right.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: And yet the example that she uses is basically two
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: women arguing over the resources of one man. That the
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: one woman is basically saying, this man is mine and
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: the other woman is saying, no, this man is mine.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: That's what it comes down to. And yet that somehow
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: is a manifestation of male entitlement, right, Okay, So I'm
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: going to give you the next one. Yeah, all right,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: So twelve fifty nine, I think that's b isn't it. Now,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: Let's see, Yeah, twelve fifty nine, there.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 7: We go of attachment that is really really hard to
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: break up and effectively like this sort of language and
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: treating a relationship like this is these mothers like grooming
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: their suns into constantly giving them their affection and like
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: creating this relationship where they are easily controlled and manipulated
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: and they've been sort of brought up that way.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, while being told that it's just love, all right.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: So within the space of three minutes, she completely contradicts herself.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: These boys grow up and think they're owed from women
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: and they become or alternatively, they're groomed, easily controlled and manipulated.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: So which is it? Of course, she never resolves that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: it's just whatever's whatever, it's a reading modality move, it's
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: whatever's most useful in the time. You know, at the time,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: you don't want to actually have anything actionable, right, do
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: you just want to be able to pull from whatever
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: is needed in the moment to win to establish dominance? Okay,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: and all right, So the next one I want to
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: go to is, let's do your the time codes I
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: sent you now.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, oh is this yeah?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Is this under girl dads or boy moms or no
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: boy moms or manchild okay boy moms, yeah, because you
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: just put yeah, it must be the boy moms. Forty
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: eight forty two. I feel like, how long these fucking
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: videos are too? Like who sat down and watched this?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, It's just like what the hell, dude? Forty
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: eight forty two is like way at the end, okay,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: it will be.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: Taking advantage of people. They are like potential, like abuses
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: and manipulators. They make bad partners, bad fathers, bad friends.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: And this works for both types of enmeshment, but in
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: different ways. And it's just ultimately causing so much harm
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: to so many people. And these mothers, these women just
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 7: like do not care. And it's so normalized as well.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: It's like such a big.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's that clip.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, from my own experience, the mothers who
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: do this actually create sons who are easy to be
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: manipulated and harm by women. In many cases, sometimes they
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: create like I honestly, I don't think they create narcissists
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: or sociopaths anymore than that would be genetically prevalent in
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: the society. What they produce is men who are vulnerable
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: to the very kinds of exploitation that their mothers did
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: to them. Full stop. And that's not what Byrony Claire
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: is saying. She's basically saying that somehow these men should
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: be treated like pariah's because of what they're mothers did
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: to them.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, avoided exiles, Yeah, sent off into the to the
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: you know ice flow.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, so go to forty six thirty four.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Uh, forty six thirty four.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 7: Yeap who feel as though they deserve the world and
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: they don't have to give anything back. They have been
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: taught by their mothers their entire lives that like they
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 7: should just get and get and get, and they never
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: have to give, and as soon as their partners ask
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 7: for something, they feel like they're being asked for too much.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: They have been taught that like they are more important
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: than whoenmen are.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: They have being manipulated and groomed and having a mother
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: that puts her own emotional needs ahead of their own.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, keep.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 7: Going deserve things and that thing we've given to them
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: and things we've done for them, that women cook for
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: them and clean for them and look after them, and
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: that they discove all of that and they don't have
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: to give anything back.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, women abuse their children, use them as
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: commodities and resources. Women most affected men men to blame
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: still and you know they We'll also say, I don't
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: know if she does that in this video, and now
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Byrony does. She also says that absent fathers is men's fault,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: not women for excluding men.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right. Well yeah, m hm. So essentially
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: it's the problem. Well it but again, if you want
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: to change that, if you want to say that men
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: who are involved parents or involve fathers prevent specifically, what
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: she's talking about is the this Australian survey that they
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: did on domestic liviolence, and I'll get into that for
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: a moment in a moment, but she's saying that involved
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: fathers prevent their sons from engaging in domestic violence. But
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: her statement is to blame men when men aren't the
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: ones who have the greatest control over whether or not
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: they're able to be involved fathers. That's women, right, So
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: If women are the gate and there isn't enough evolved
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: father in society, then that's on women. Sorry. You wanted
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: the ability to decide whether or not children come into
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: the world, and as a down stream of that, you
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: also wanted the ability to decide whether or not a
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: father can be a father to his children. Okay, that
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: means you are responsible for fatherlessness. Women are responsible for fatherlessness,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: not just through poor choices like I mean, maybe if
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: you're the first baby mama, you have some you can say, hey,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't know. By the time you're the second, you knew,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: you absolutely knew. And maybe does he fuck good? Is
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: that the correct nomenclature? He? Maybe do he fuck good?
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: Is not good criteria for the father of your children.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: Just a thought, Just a thought. Okay, So anyway, Yes,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: if women are controlling the gate of whether or not
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: a child exists, and then controlling the gate of whether
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: or not that child has a bother period, then they
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: are primarily responsible for fatherlessness. And I'll be honest, those
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: states that have embraced a presumption of shared parenting or
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: presumption so that men actually have an equal unlikely equal
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: to our chance of equal custody after divorce. They are
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: finding that women are less likely to get divorced. And
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: despite the fact that they're less likely to get divorced,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: they're happier. Everyone is happier. The children are happier, fathers
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: are happier, the mothers are happier. They're having more children.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: But you know who isn't happy? Whose consent wasn't considered.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Feminists and divorce lawyers, they're not happy. God knows, they're
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: the ones we should all be rek structuring society to benefit.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: So anyway, this particular study found that about fifty percent
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: of men who said they had an involved father were
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: less likely to report domestic violence, and they got a
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: shocking headline out of it. So one in three Australian
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: men engaged in domestic violence. You know what qualified is
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: domestic violence in this study if they ever made their
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: partner anxious or fearful.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it felt violent. They if they felt there
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: was violence.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: In the air, and yeah, and this was this was
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: asking the men to report whether or not they ever
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: made their partner anxious or fearful. So, but the problem
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: is that lumps in. I drove too fast on the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: highway on my motorbike with I threatened to kill her dog, right,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: So it is a meaningless number.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: He could be making her afraid because he has a
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: dangerous job, you know, he could be making her afraid
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: for any number of reasons that have nothing to do
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: with him being the threat. Maybe it's threat to him.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's he's saying, I'm I'm gonna tell your mother
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: off one of these days and she's like, don't do that.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: You know that kind of fearfulness, right, Yeah, there's no qualification,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: so it's meaningless. So the actual number is nine percent
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: of men admitting to using violence against women. And of
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: that number, we don't know how many were subject themselves
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: to violence. So this this entire staty stick doesn't even
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: ask women, of course, right because if you ask women, uh,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: you might actually get to some similar number. So that's
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: what Australia is doing. They're just not asking women, or
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: they're rearranging their their methodologies to ensure that men don't respond. Right,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: And they're doing what's really fascinating about the Australian DV
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: industry Big DV in Australia is they're they're changing their methodology,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: but they're doing it in a way that actually makes
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: it worse for everybody. It's like they're they're calling people
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: up and they're saying, Okay, does your partner beat you?
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: And then they're like, well, how many times can you
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: describe every single act? I want you to visualize. It'll
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: just get back in that moment. What did it feel like?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Yah?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Yah, yeah, tell me the details of the rape? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: And they and I'm like reading this methodology and I'm like, okay,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: so you're basically traumatiz people. And I know exactly why
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: you're doing it, because you know that the first like
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: the question you see to ask a man, have you
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: ever has your partner ever hit you? He might say yes,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: But once you get to the sixth question of can
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: you visualize in great detail what she did? What object?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: And you've lost them. He's like goodbye. And that's why
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: they do it, because they want to make sure as
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: few men as possible complete their survey. I'm not giving
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: these people the benefit of the doubt anymore. I know
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: how they operate. But at the same time, they're ensuring
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: that their surveys are one traumatic and two actually don't
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: capture women's rate of domestic violence either. But they don't
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: care about that because they're getting the numbers they want,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: and this is one of the numbers that they want.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: That's why they did not ask women and the actual
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: definition of violence in their survey any person. He pulled
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: someone off the street and he said, is this domestic violence?
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: To be like what? No, because they want to get
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: that big fat, juicy money spinning number one in three
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: Australian men. This is such despicable crap. It's okay, I'm done,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: let's let's finish off the kiwi.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Well, is that that's that? No, she's New Zealand whatever
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: she's from, the shy she's from more.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: So, what's the uh what's the next time code? Because
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: I think that that's that might be it. We've done
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: three or.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: Four, she's she's sourcing her her conclusions with an anecdote.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: Do you want to go through the anecdote? Because apparently
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: there was an argument between husband, a wife.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: And a mother and there was a clip from like
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: a Mama's Boys Show? Are you talking about that? That thing?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: We were like what we were listening to before? No?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not okay. So the full sequence, it's it's
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: a long sequence, but it starts at thirty seven to
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: twenty six.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: All right, thirty seven to twenty six.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, okay, you got it.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, if you are interested in watching me watch this episode.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 7: Have you asked your girlfriend, partner, wife, fiance.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: I'm just in a middle man. Please figure it out.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: I love you both, and I just want everyone to
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: be had.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Fuck you man.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: Basically, what's happening here is that this couple, what the
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 7: hell was that?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: I think that was her. She cameoed herself in this video.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: A house they are, they're they're they're doing it up,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: they're renovating it.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: They just bought it.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: And this man is in there by himself on this day,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: and the contractor is there, and he says that he
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: can't live with his mother, so they need to expand
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 7: the house to make room.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: I realized that not having space in the house for
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: my mom is not going to happen, because I don't
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: think I could live without my mom.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: So I called the designer to make sure we can
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: make the necessary changes. It's another reality TV show, just
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: so I'm just pointing out so we know.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, honestly, I think this would be a
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: goodbye moment for me. But let's see what what.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, and is telling this to the contractor and uh,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 7: his wife isn't there for this conversation. I was watching
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: this like, did you.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: Did you inform your wife that this is something that's happening.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 7: Did you tell her that you were going to ask
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 7: to presumably.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: Presume? Okay, does he mean like a place for his
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: mother to live or just visit? You know what? This
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: does improve anything? This is just more real world What
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: is that called life drama? The the genre? The genre?
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: What is this the genre again?
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Reality TV?
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Reality TV? Yeah, this is just slop?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what does it prove?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: Like? This is a weird couple.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: It seems like it's useful for people like her to
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: make content in order to warp the minds of women
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know, or justify their already pre existing bigotry
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: and narcissism.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, okay, I don't know.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: This is like weird.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we can go through this entire sequence if
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: you want, or we can move on to the next one. Guys,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: this is just basically reality DV slop that she's using
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: in lieu of actual evidence of anything. I say, move on,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: all right, we don't need to encourage this behavior.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Let's move on to the next video.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: You mean or yeah, yeah, okay, all right, next video
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: Brianny Claire girl dads. So we're gonna do her the
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: other side of the coin, the flip side of the bullshit,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: where she is going to.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Also blame men her girl dads. All right, so let's see.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: I'll play a bit of the intro so we have
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: like a little bit of the groundwork, and then it'll
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: go right into the first time code. Oh, I got
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: another super chat. So I got a super chat from
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: official Revtrad for ten dollars.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: Off topic, he says, when feminists say grape is worse
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: than murder, they are saying Jesus did not suffer enough
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: for humanity. I'm an atheist and that pisses me off.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: Last one tonight, I promise thank you for that. I
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: mean it only it's only worse than murder when they
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: think it happens to women. And that's also using their
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: extremely broad definition of the word, because it's it really
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: could be anything. I don't know if you guys have
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: have you seen the Indian feminist ads about what rape is?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: But it's everything. It's getting it's like somebody cutting in line.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: So at the at the bus stop, that's rape. Okay,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: So anyway, let's listen to Branny again.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you look just like your dad.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: You guys are twins.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: Gil dads, guild dads, guild dads.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: They ask you how you are, and you just have
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 7: to say that you're fine when you're not really fine.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: But you just can't get into a guild as.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: It says. There's a T shirt that says no boyfriend
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: until twenty forty one.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, gild dance. And although she does have a very
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: nice th I've said that if Ivanka weren't my daughter,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: perhaps I'd be dating her.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: It's so weird, it looks suspicious, grotesque.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: I feel like this was this was the payload for
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: the entire movie or video. What oh well, that just that,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: like just just saying something about you, Oh for.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Sure, for sure, of course. Well it's it's lashing out
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: in in that general direction.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: It's like I've always said, Trump is just the He's
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: just the effigy that they're attacking. He's the burning man
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: when he when he's gone, it's gonna be somebody else.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mass like Andrew Tate. If Andrew Tate died tomorrow,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: where they would just find somebody else that would be
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: the face of the manisphere and they would just reference
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: that person forever because they're.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Just they're just attacking the the their you know, yeah,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: the icon. They're just iconic class.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: They see something that they deem an evil icon, and
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: they attack the icon until it's destroyed, and then they
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: attack the next icon.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: I wonder if they like take resumes for the next
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: Andrew Tate. The interviewing.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Probably have to find out what's going on with the USA?
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: Are you going to be an Andrew Tater?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: ELC money is running out, so they gotta do together.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: They gotta do some grassroots ship this time.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, all right, let's let's hear what she has
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: to say.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: All right now, Yeah, now we're in the first time
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: code here.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 8: And if you can believe it, am I worthy of
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 8: being pursued. It must be enforced by the father, the
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 8: man in their life. If they do not get that enforced,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 8: reinforced by their father, they will go outside the home
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 8: to get the answer to that question.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: What's the Doorna meant to.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: Think of this? And Okaya Whyronny, shut the fuck up.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: He's talking about the fact that, Okay, she doesn't understand
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: this at all.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to on your modality switch right here
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: and listen to what the men are saying without getting emotional.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, what he's saying is that a father models what
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: a man is like, right, a custodial man, And if
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: the father isn't modeling that, the daughter will go out
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: and try to find it outside the home. I don't
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: know how she managed to find this offensive, Like maybe
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: there's something offensive he said outside of the part that
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: she clipped. But she clipped this and she completely misunderstood it.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: And he's one hundred percent right, right, if there's no
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: father in the home. Guess what happens when girls actually
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: go through puberty earlier and they are less discerning about
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: the type of men that they choose because they don't
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: have a paternal role model. They don't have a role
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: model of a man who they related to on a
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: custodia level, on a level of him being their caretaker,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: being someone who protected and provided for them without a
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: sexual component. Right, So guess what they're gonna lead with
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: with every other man in their life because they don't
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: have any experience of a man who protects and provides,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: who wants to protect and provide for them. They don't
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: have any experience of that, so they're not going to
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: be able to find it. And when they go outside
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: their house, guess who they're going to end up with
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: the type of men who just want them sexually and
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: don't have those characteristics because they have not learned to
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: identify them in men, to recognize where they are. And
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: I cannot believe she turned this into a problem. Well, no,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: I can believe it. I can believe it because she
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: is a relational web thinker. She looked at them and
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: she immediately had to slot it into how where's the
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: dominance and where where's the submission? Where's the hierarchy, where's
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: the status? Oh? This man is he's signaling that his
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: daughter is his property? Is her husband her property?
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: Does she like she has a husband?
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: Is he her property?
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: I don't want to know what that relationship is, Like
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: it's I know, but I think he's being for some
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: like sins in a past.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: Arma.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's karma, He's is like, it's just uh.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's experiencing is he's expunging his karma. But let's
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: just just for the sake of argument. When you say
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: my husband, byrony, are you saying I own this man?
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: He is my property? No? So how is it that?
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she can understand? And when a woman
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: says my son, she doesn't mean literally this is my chattel.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: She understands that that there's a there's a space between
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: something being your responsibility and something being important to you
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: that you believe belongs to you but is not your property.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: Like there's a space there, you see what I'm saying,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: And yet that space completely collapses whenever she looks at men.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: Whenever she gets her squinty little eyes looking at men, Wood,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: They're up to you, like, good lord. Okay, let's keep going,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: or is this this is? Are we done this timecodeh.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: No, there's another No, No, I got some. There's fifteen
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: seconds left in this one, okay.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: The girl dad phenomenon is much a broader scope than
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: the boyman the phenomenon that we talked about last time,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: ranging from wholesome to down my dystopian hounds being actively
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: involved in that children's upbringing.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: By stop, you just skated past the sexualization of boys.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you're gonna you're gonna read the sexualization of
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: girls in this in in your examples, but literally the
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: sexualization of boys. You're just skated past that, and now
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: you're saying this is worse. Okay, I'm I'm I'm not
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: gonna sit here and be skeptical. I'm gonna sit here
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: and be skeptical that what these fathers are doing to
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: their daughters is worse than uh, parentifying your son and
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: somehow him engaging in sexual behaviors, probably because you're sexually
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: abusing him. Now I shouldn't say and with an or
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: you know, but I'm gonna say that I have a
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: doubt that her what she's showing is evidence of the
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: horrors of fatherhood. Include what she showed is the horrors
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: of motherhood, which again I just want to remind everyone
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: included narcissistic abuse of your son and potentially sexual abuse
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: of your son. So that that's the bar we're looking
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: at it here. Let's see if what she presents is
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: what's awful about fatherhood goes over that bar. Okay, continue
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: all right, and you know.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: We've gone from children being seen and not heard to
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: then you know, hey, as your responsibility too. Father as
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: well as have historically been more about securing his property. Boy,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: he's the best. As I've talked about before, when it
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: comes to gender reveal, girls are to be married off well,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: and as her father, you play a key role in there.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: And the way to get a girl married off is
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: to ensure her purity. It's so easy for a girl's
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: reputation to be ruined, which reflects on you, dear father.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: It's just carry a lot of responsibility. I'll just look
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: at the discourse happening around Olivia Rodrigo at the moment.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, what what discourse?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: How easy it is for her to just go like
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: like have abs, no, no, like how uncharitable she is
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: to father's everywhere, not even specific fathers, Like I didn't
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: hear anything saying, well a father who behaves this way. No,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: it's just father's like there's this and no no charity,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: no grace, immediately just goes in.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: You know, she has definitely got issues.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: But okay, father's roles have historically been more about securing
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: his property. No, No, that is wrong, right, You've just
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: you've just made an assertion, and that is wrong that's
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: not what father's roles have been historically about because their
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: children children were not considered their property. Okay, and also
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: that's not the way fathers are, all right, full stop,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: that's just not the way fathers do. Men have a
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: particular human Men have a particular endocrine architecture which is
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: completely incompatible with what she's saying. And I really wish
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: this would become mainstream. I really wish it would because
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: it completely it's it's basically scientific proof that men do
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: not do as feminists say they do. Men when they
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: have children, their entire endocrine architecture reorientates towards protecting and
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: providing their childre for their children. Also, when they pair
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: bond with a woman like it's it's it's a substance beyond,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: it's below conscious thought, this level of reorganization, unless you
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: know you're it's a situation where the child is a
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: result of some kind of reproductive coercion, in which case
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: you're just you know, you're interfering with that by applying
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of trauma to the man, which you know,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: that's another that's another category entirely also to blend women
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: to blame for. But talking about healthy father children bonds.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: Architecture reorientates towards protecting and providing. Go look, and this
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: is something I like to bring up. Go look at
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: those videos of a father neutralizing the fast moving the
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: object moving fast towards his child, and the absolute state
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: of his reflexes is like Spider Man, right. And you
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: know why because on a level below conscious thought, he
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: is monitoring the entire environment for potential threats for his kids. Now,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: you know, some things can interfere with that, of course,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: but generally that's the case. And that's why his reflexes
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: are so fast, because it doesn't root through the cortex.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: It's entirely limbic. It's not moving up, it's not moving
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: up to the cortical air. Those reflexes are so fast
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: because he's been attending to this on that level, and
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: that means that his kid's safety registers higher in his
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: hierarchy than his own. And she's coming out with this
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: bull just because you didn't have the father byrony, that
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: actually makes you the least you know, like you are,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: you have the least position to actually talk about this
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: issue because you have no direct experience of it. Anyway,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: I just want to point this out. There's no way
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: that men who's entire being is reorganizing to the protection
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: and provision of their children treats them like property, even
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: if that's legally the case, Even if I allow for
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: feminists to say, oh yeah, I'll cherry pick law throughout history,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: you know, and look at this, Okay, even if I
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: allow that the law doesn't change biological reality as we
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: are finding out right, it just doesn't. So there's no
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: way fathers, well, I mean they can. There are bad fathers.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: There are narcissistic and sociopathic fathers. Don't get me wrong,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: they exist. But we're talking about the act average father.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: Even if this was said in law, that's not how
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: he's going to be acting de facto in reality, unless,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: of course, he's a sociopath and narcisse's sister has some
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: kind of serious trauma. But these are edge cases. They
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: don't describe the average man or the average father. Okay,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: let's keep going.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so next time code here we go
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: stuck around, I just I just want to show them.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: I just want to try what the protective father who's
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: comically intimidating to any boy who wants to date his
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: precious little princess. You know, fathers are protectors, like Jay.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the best dad ever.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: And he's seen this tripe pope all the time in
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: gilded content, and most of it's meant to be well meaning,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: if sometimes a little bit creepy. He's staring at his
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: daughter and have boyfriend kissing, and then have boyfriend notices
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: it and makes a big joke out of it.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: They're literally making videos for social media their skits and
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: she's like, oh wow, is that that's really happening. Guys
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: be weirded out by it because it involves men. How
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: how dare men get involved in doing little comical sketches.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: I bet that the boyfriends were like participating in it
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: because it like the dad was like kind.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: Of like checking them out.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: You know, they probably know each other very well, They're
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: probably very well acquainted, they know each other's families. They're like,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: let's do this, this will be funny, let's do this,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: let's make fun of it. And granted, you know, you
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: could argue that it's still kind of like a Misandris's
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: position that you know, men are dangerous to girls and
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: that they're doing this kind of like trad con thing,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: but prior de Claire still thinks that it's a patriarchal
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: problem because it oppresses women.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: So it's really interesting that.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: She does because this is literally a man. If it
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: was patriarchy, wouldn't he be like, yeah, go have sex
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: with my daughter and make sure to leave the next
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: day because that's what's right for you, Like, because you know,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: the father wants to prioritizes the random man and giving
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: him access to his daughter. He doesn't care, you know,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: he's done what he's what patriarchs do, which is benefit
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: other men, all right. Wouldn't sexual access to his daughter,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: no strings attached, benefit this other strange man. Why does
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: this patriarchal father care about his daughter's benefit? Why does
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: he care that he wants to have his daughter to
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: have a partner that's gonna stand by her, you know,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: and take care of her during pregnancy and lactation. Why
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: would he care about that when he's a patriarch who
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: only cares about the other man's benefit. In fact, why
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: is he even in the family at all? If all
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: he cares about is sex? All right? Why is he
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: even there raising his daughter? So many questions like this
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: and this Honestly, I think again when I said that
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: she doesn't have a father, and hilariously, that man pretty
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: much put his finger on what happens when women don't
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: have a flick of a girl doesn't have a father,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: Byrony's doing the thing. She's reading sexuality into this. You know,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: I said that when a daughter doesn't isn't raised with
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: a father, she does not recognize custodial care. She only
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: ever sees things to only wait. She relates to men
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: as sexually. That's what Byrony's doing right here, right, She's
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: doing the thing that that guy said. Uh, well, she
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: didn't quite say it. I extended what he was saying
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: about girls looking outside the home. What are they looking for?
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: What is their tool for looking? It's their sexuality, right,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: And they don't experience a man who is concerned about
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: them on the level of platonic care, not sexual care. Right.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: These these fathers care about their daughter's well being on
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: a non sexual level. Right there. They're not rivals for
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: her boyfriend, you know. For with her boyfriend, they are
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: in a rivalry with him. They are concerned that he
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: won't necessarily step up when she needs it. Now, you
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: can say that's mister address. It's an old school thing,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: but it's not sexual, and she's reading sexuality into it
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: because she didn't have a dad.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: There you go, all right, that's right, all right. There's
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: about a few seconds left in this one, about twenty seconds.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: He's interrupting his daughter and her boyfriend at the beach
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: and like fully inserts himself in to like kick the
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: boyfriend out of the way. When your daughter brings her
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: boyfriend over and her dad is heartbroken, every teen girl
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: dad's worst nightmare. But your worst nightmare is a nice
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: boy bringing over gifts for her, asking her to be
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: his valentine. That's your worst nightmare. Even teen girls will
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: tell you that's definitely not their worst nightmare.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: Of course, let's talk about something else, like, well, women
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: are scared. How does that work? Like, I mean, I
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: know how it works.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: Like Bririnni Clair and other feminists will do this thing
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: where they will suggest to girls that they they're in
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: constant threat, and they know this is true because they
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: know other women who have said this, and even women
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: who have never experienced anything that will make them feel
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: like they should be afraid. If enough women say that,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: there is cause for it. They might start to feel
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: it like there's like this, it's like it's, well, you
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: haven't seen Midsommer yet, but it's like that, like the
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: scene in Midsommer where the girl starts crying and all
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: these other women who don't know her at all, they
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: all huddle around her and they start crying with her,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: even though they don't know what she's crying about, and
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: they all start and it's like this really creepy scene
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: where they all start crying together in unison, and that's
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: only making her, the person was originally crying, cry more
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: because now there's all these other people that are like
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: getting in on all these other women that are doing it.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: And so this this girl's Brian.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh, you know, she's suggesting because none of
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: this is ever said outright, because then they'd have to
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: be held accountable for the things they say. So instead
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: she just heavily implies or suggests that, you know, there's
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: something darker going on with her body language and her
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: tone and her facial expressions, and we're just supposed to,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: you know, come to our own conclusion. It just happens
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: to be what it is that she wants. I just
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: I get really annoyed with that style of communication, I
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: really do. Just it just grinds my gears. It just
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: grinds my gears.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: Points something out. Feminists are constantly talking about how dangerous
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: men are to women, and then they complain when a
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: man who has a custodial investment in a girl aka
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: her father, is concerned about the attention of another man
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: towards her, Like which is it? Like? Should should the
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: father be protecting the girl and reserving her for the bears?
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: Or should he just be okay even though she shouldn't
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: be okay with the man's sexual attention, Like you get
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. If if the boy is a threat,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: according to feminists, why do they have a problem with
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: the father regarding the boy as a threat? It's like
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: nothing men do, That's exactly it isn't it. Nothing is
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: good enough, Nothing gets you out of the labyrinth of
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: catch twenty Two's all right, let's finish this timecode.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: Uh, that's I think that's the end of that timecode. Yeah, so, well,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: there's like three seconds left, but I think we know
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: where this is going. So let's just jump ahead to
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: five point thirty one.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: There we go. Who Calvin Klein, it looks like underwear.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: Go upstairs and put something over. Anything happens to my daughter.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: I got a forty five and a shovel. I doubt
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: anybody would miss you that.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 4: It's all things linked to patriarchy. It's about protecting certain
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 4: kinds of girls, like I've talked about when it comes
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 4: to Jeffrey Epstein.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: You wonder WoT your daughter, Yes, certain kinds of girls
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: like your daughter's right.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: Well, do these people want.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: To eliminate distinctions between a daughter, a wife, and just
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: women in the abstract? Are they trying to eliminate those distinctions?
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: Is that why they're doing this?
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying?
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: Else? Yeah, I know what you're saying. Okay, I mean,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: if you.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: Prefer the women closest to you, that's kind of like
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: treating them like a kind of capital, which has to
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: be dismantled.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: And what you should be doing is caring about all
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: humans the same.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: You can't care about all humans the same. You have
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: to care about categories. No. No, yeah, that's that's some
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: that's some capitalists far right talk there, Brian, all humans. No,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: that's almost like you're saying you care about a trans,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: you care about a person who happens to be trans. No,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: you have to care about a trans and you know
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: a trans the category? Does that category apply to people?
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: Are only people who agree with you? Right? But so
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: you have to care about an abstraction. So these men
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: can't care about the women they can actually help. That's patriarchy,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: You're right. They have to care about women as an abstraction,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: which means, get this, guys, you notice what she's doing.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: If these guys care about the women in their lives,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: so the women that it actually can benefit, that means
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: they don't care equally for all the women around the world.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: So a man can is being a patriarchal bastard if
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: he takes care of the women in his life and
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: doesn't take care of the rest of the women in
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: the world. Right, they have to equalize his care between them,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: and if he doesn't, if he actually cares about the
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: women he can care about, then he's bad. Then he's
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: he's talk he's toxic masculinity. Do you see what she's doing. So, guys,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: stop caring about the women in your life unless you
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: can care about the women in your life equally to
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: all the women everywhere. Ever, and if you do care
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: about the women in your life, that's toxic masculinity because
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: you can't do that unless you gotta. You gotta bring
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: gum for the whole class guys, otherwise you don't get it.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: God damn. So she's she's basically just argued men out
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: of out of any kind of concern for women that
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: they can actually have concern for. Did you see that? Yeah,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: I think she's jealous. I honestly think that she looks
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: at these men and she didn't have a father, and
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: she's like, how dare these girls have the benefit of
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: a father? How dare they have something that I didn't have?
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: How dare they have a resource that I didn't get
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: as a girl? Those men that I'm gonna shame them
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: for caring about their daughters and not caring about every
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: other girl in the world equally to their daughters, because
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't get that when I was a child. Liked
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: all right, all right.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: Let's keep going a kind, brave little girl. In this
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: sense sence, he gets to be a king. And this
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 4: is when we get overlaps into the type four purity
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: culture kind of dance, and this is where it can
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: get really nasty and murky, very quickly think like Regina's
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: dead crying and Mean Girls, or like Katie is dead
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: win sing like this in Mean Girls? Man, how is
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 4: that movie so relevant? Like over twenty years later, his
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: memes like this about Huck.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: Or she takes the absolute like different takeaway from me girls,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: Like none of the point of that gets through? And yeah,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: the their fathers are worried that their daughters are going
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: to become slatterns or slags, and that's why they're and
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: they're wondering did they do a good job as fathers?
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: Probably too, But I mean again, we're referencing a fucking
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: movie to make a point about reality.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: So what am I?
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: What am I even doing participating in this conversation? All right,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: there's thirty seconds.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: Left to us father when men are forced to confront
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: the fact that they viewed women as subjects and then
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: they're projecting that stuff onto their child and they're like, oh,
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 4: my goodness, I don't want men to see women the
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: way that I have viewed women because now it affects
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 4: my property, my daughter. So what he does, instead of
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: calling out this bad behavior, has put more controls in
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 4: place around her for her as Jessica kelgrin.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: That again, she's reading sexuality into like she's reading sexual interest. Now,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: if it was a situation where one of these fathers
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: was actually sort of quasi inappropriately touching her son like
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: that mother, I would understand it maybe, but that's not
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: what this is. She's reading sexual interest into these men
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: being concerned that their daughters won't be properly taken care
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: of when they're vulnerable. That's essentially it. That's what she's doing.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: And she's doing it because she never had a dad,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: so she doesn't know when to stop when.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: It's not appropriate.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: Also, she's also making a lot of assumptions about the men,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: the fathers, that they were doing things to women untoward,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: and that now that they are fathers, they don't want
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: the same thing that they've done, the way that they've
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: treated women to be done.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: To their daughters.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: That's like a real stretch, Like she's obviously, like I said,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: it's very uncharitable. We don't know anything about the average father,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: the average man's experience. Doubt it's doubtful that that's how
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: it went down, because the kind of man that probably
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: would I don't know, be shitty to women probably won't
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: be fathering children unless they have a redemption.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: Of some kind. But it doesn't matter, None of that matters.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: None of that matters because it can't actually be measured.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: So she's just making the least charitable presumptions about the
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: character of men who are protective of their children. That's it,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: because it could also apply to sons.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: Right, So.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and the category this is very different. These
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: fathers are being protective of their daughters, right, They're protective.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: The mothers are being possessive of their sons. You notice
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 3: the difference. There's a fundamental difference, Like there is resource
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: jealous in the mother's get what I'm saying, And the
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: fathers are expressive protectiveness in some cases, you know, maybe excessive, right,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: you know where grandchildren come from, right, But it's understandable.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: They know that their daughter is going to be vulnerable.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: They've experienced that with their wife, and they want her
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: to have a partner that's going to take care of
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: her when that happens. Right, that's the reading. That's it.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: It's protective. It's not jealousy over some kind of resource.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: The women definitely read more like jealousy over another woman
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 3: honing in on their resource. So I mean, yes, she's
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: right about boy moms. I don't think she's right that
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: this is well. First of all, she's sexualizing this, which
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: is inappropriate, which is really interesting because you remember I
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: said that the bar that was in the boy or
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 3: the boy mom, and she just glossed over the emotional
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: abuse and the potential sexual abuse like that's not here.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: She's reading sexual interest into non sexual behavior with fathers. Right, yeah, okay,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: let's keep going.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see here full six thirty five, a
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: little bit more of this.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 4: Any particular women who get saved a lot of these
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 4: things don't mean to project slutshaming, but it's what they
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 4: automatically do. We've got father's projection. There's not just onto
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: their teams.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: So so met so fathers slut shame their daughters.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: Do you see that now like it used to be
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: or you know, we would have thought that the concept
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: of slutshaming, even if you were trying to understand it
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: was something where it was society or it was police.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: You know what we were wearing, which is something that
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: never happened. It was like your peers that would do that.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: Now it's just now it's your parents. Now it's your father.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: If your father says I don't want you wearing he's
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: slut shaming your daughter, what does that do? What is
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: the purpose of that claim when it comes to how
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: it will affect the dynamic between a father and his daughter.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: If the daughter believes that his father, her father, is
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: slut shaming her, what is the what is the goal?
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: Like, what is the bottom line? What does Byron Eclair want?
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: The takeaway to be?
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: Rebel against your father, don't go against his wishes, create
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: strife in the family.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: That's what it is. You know, you demand liberation and
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: your father is holding you back. I mean it's it's
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of dark, but yeah, it is dark.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: But there's also another interpretation of that. Don't wear that.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: Think about the type of man you're you're attracting, right, Yeah,
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: simple as that, Like this, do you want the type
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: of man that you're going to attract? And do you
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: want a man who's solely or primarily attracted to you
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: sexually as opposed to other qualities like shared values, personality,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 3: shared projects, whatever else. You see what I'm saying, It's
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: like that's that is a message that's being sent out
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: into the world, and it has it's going to be received,
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: and you're going to get back according to the message
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: that you're sending out. Why wouldn't a father have a
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: problem with that, because he's basically saying, the type of
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: man that you're going to attract with that message is
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: not going to be the type of man who is
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: going to take care of you. Right. It has nothing
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: to do with purity. It has everything to do with
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: I don't want you to be vulnerable in that way.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: She's reading all of this other stuff, and feminists are
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: reading all of this other stuff pop culture as a
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: result of being informed by feminists or demonstrating all of this,
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: and then she picks out pop culture to show her
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: own thesis or hypeas or conjecture or false accusation. Okay,
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: how many more time goes do we have?
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: That was the third one? Okay, so let's go to
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: the fourth one, which is fourteen forty eight.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 4: M with how fathers play with their daughters versus playing
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: with their sons, like they will carefully place their daughters somewhere,
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: Like she's this pressuresal object to be like you put
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: over there, you're on this pedestal. I'm gonna look after
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: you by putting you separate from things. And then with boys,
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: they'll rough house with them, and they'll play with them,
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 4: they'll really engage with them. One of these is an
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 4: object the other one is like a teammate, the playmate.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 4: And yes, sometimes this can actually really create like this
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 4: weird competition level between facts.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: So putting girls on a pedestal is actually objectifying them.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me get through the rest of this time code.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: Others and their sons and fathers encouraging like this sort
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: of low had notion with their sons, which is really
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 4: unhealthy too. The study Early Gender Differences and Valuing Strength
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: shows just how early this starts. All of these studies
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 4: really fall into the gender binary. I'm very sorry boys
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 4: thought it was more important to be strong than girls did,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 4: and as they aged, both girls and boys demonstrated knowledge
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 4: that the stereotype that boys care about Physically.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: She's calling out the gender binary, but she employs an
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: even more strict one than the actual sexual binary, like
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: her behavior towards men is distinctly different than her behavior
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: towards women, So she's enforcing a binary on men and
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: women herself. And then she's basically single, But don't like
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: the biological binary. No, that doesn't exist. But men always
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: oppress women everywherever good, But there's no biological binary. It's
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: just that every little boys is inculcated with the patriarchy
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: fairy at earth. But there's no biological binary. But is
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: just they they just want to repress and rape. But
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: there's no biological binary. No, there's no biological binary. It's
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: just the men are bad godda. Okay, let's keep it.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I let me see here, thirty six, that's the
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: end of this one. So I'm gonna jump to the
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: last time cod because I'm already at the end. So
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: thirty six, thirty two.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm getting better at hitting the end.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go here. If you want that childredn got
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: to be free to lead their own lives.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 4: Oh you saw. I wasn't gonna reference one of my
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: favorite Disney movers. Here a cover of my patrons raised
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: and really interesting.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: Grow up, Rananye, you're a fucking adult.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: That same point on this whole boy mom's and girl
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 4: dad's issue. If we categorize girl mums and boy dads,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: we'll be talking about roles being preserved. But girl dads
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 4: who love dressing up their little princesses, or boy moms
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 4: chanting boys we boys over again, gazing wistfully as a transperson.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 4: That feels kind of trans to me, Like we live
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: in a world with a lot of gender variants, and
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 4: I can't help but wonder if this is sometimes an
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 4: expression of real transphoria.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: People get that, yeah, this is trans now, okay, but
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: she's trans, No, she's I think she's reading somebody else's
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: or maybe this is what she's saying. I don't know.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 4: Some parents live vicariously through their kids, but when it's
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 4: so aggressively gendered, I wonder how literal that is. And
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 4: there could absolutely be some repression happening here. But that's
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 4: also what happens under patriarchy, right, because it really does
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 4: force this gender binary. And seriously, you will hopefully have
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 4: realized over the course of these two videos that abolishing
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: the gender binary and forcing kids into like this role
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: or this role is something that we should just do
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 4: because it's not making anybody any happier. Just like that
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 4: redditor said, kits should be free to explore and discover
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 4: things that they like.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: Your jobs, this is a good place.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: Please don't listen, Reddit, please don't listen, Okay.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: All right, So she says that children, you know, we
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: shouldn't force the gender binary, but we should teach boys
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: to take responsibility for the sins of patriarchy's past, and
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: we should also teach girls that they're victims of boys
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: and that boys are more likely to be sexual assaulters,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: even though there's considerable evidence that that may not be
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: the case. Right, So it's not that she's against the
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: gender binary, it's just that she wants her gender binary
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 3: to be primary alliteration, all right. Okay, So, and just
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: to go through her asymmetrical treatment of men and women,
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: and she does. She treats them asymmetrically, and she has
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: an entire conjecture which again also has never been proven.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: So she bases this on nothing. But she treats men
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: and women differently. She treats boy moms differently than girl dad. Right,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: So she's talking about not having a gender binary while
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: having a gender binary. So let's go through that of
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: how differently she treats boy moms versus girl dads. So
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: it's the same creator, same process, or same prior, all right,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: So that makes the differences in treatment diagnostic rather than incidental.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: She built these two as a deliberate two parter, so
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 3: the asymmetries are hers, not an artifact of separate framings. Okay,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: what's identical? Both run one machine. A parent is diagnosed, diagnosed,
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 3: is harming a child through gender? A type taxonomy organizes
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: the offenders. Cited studies are layered on. Everything roots to patriarchy,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 3: the binary. So if everything every proximal like, everything roots
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: back to patriarchy, how can she say she's not enforcing
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: a binary in her own thinking? Of course, she's justified
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: because her binary is based on multiply redacted and fraudulent
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: studies and also studies that she misrepresents, and also pop
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: culture and also possibly Disney and also what is that
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: genre again of real life content reality TV? Right, that's
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: what she bases everything on. That's what she bases her
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: gender binary on. That's why it's right. Okay, everything roots
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 3: back to patriarchy, the byrony, the byrony, the binary, which
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: is patriarchy. Guys, that's the binary. Somehow, the binary is patriarchy.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: So you're not supposed to do the binary, but we
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: are supposed to binarily blame everything on men by saying
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: using the word patriarchy both clothes on patriarchy hurts everybody.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: Both also misread the parents over attachment protection in one
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: attachment in the other as the core pathology right where
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: they diverge, and the divergence tracks the parent sex culpability.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: The father is the dispositional terminal villain. Even the fully
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: involved dad is demoted bare minimum mother, so she refers
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: to the fully involved dad as the bare minimum mother.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: Except if you think about it, the bare minimum mother
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: is a mother who manages not to get written up
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: by child support services and her child taken away, so,
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: you know, marginally neglectful to the point where she, you know,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: the kid is getting food and shelter, right so she's
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: not being having child support services come in and take
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: her kid. That's the bare minimum, And she's ascribing that
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: to all of these dads, even if they're fully involved,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: and she's doing so because she then she doesn't have
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: to recognize that the fully involved dad is a counter
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: example to her thesis that dads are bad. Right now,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: he doesn't, he isn't he isn't fully involved, he's just
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: doing the bare minimum, so therefore he's still bad even
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: though he probably isn't. The contempt has no exit. The
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: boy mom is the strained structural offender over controlling a
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: child by a gender, except in this case it's not
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: the men are protective. The women are possessive, but gets
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: the exculpatory treatment. The father never gets understandable journey. We've
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: set up this trap for women, and Bill hooks any
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 3: gender can uphold patriarchy. Plus, single mothers are often most brutal,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: which demotes her from origin to conduit. So the possessive
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: mother who is parentified her son or infantilized him as
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: an emotional resource, is a victim of patriarchy. To you,
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: her agency is surfaced and then dissolved into patriarchy operating
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: through her. The father's agency is never dissolved. It is
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: the whole indictment. So again she says, let's not use
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: a gender binary and then she uses a gender binary
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: rules for thee but not for me. Did you want
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: to say something to that part?
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: No, No, I think that you've basically covered it. I
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: said everything I want to say during the show.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: So okay. Motivatal motivational attribution for the same behavior father
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: over attaches reads power and entitlement, he owns her property dominance.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: And yet I would also argue it's not over attachment,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: it's just a desire to protect in the context where
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: he has first person experience of the vulnerability caused by
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 3: pregnancy and lactation. Like he knows that women become vulnerable,
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: then he knows his daughter is going to become vulnerable.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: Then he wants to make sure that the man she's
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: with is going to take care of her when she's vulnerable.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 3: Simple as that. It doesn't have to be about property
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: dominance or over attachment. But let's compare. Let's assume that
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: the father is over attaching. When the mother overattaches as
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: compared to the father, it's read as deprivation and powerlessness.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: She has nothing else. Society denied her everything. She's clinging.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: She is a victim of putting men, including her son, first,
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: to centering him, identical controlling behavior. I would argue that,
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: but let's assume it for the sake of argument. His
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: is privilege expression, hers is victimhood expression. The frame assigns
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: opposite motives by parental sex status of the child. The
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: daughter is a terminal victim. Harm flows father to daughter
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: and stops there there is no This produces a woman
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: who harms man vector. The son is an intermediary vector.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: He's harmed, groomed, starved of affection. But the title is
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: manchild pipeline. The output is a defective man, and the
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: man's defect is measured as harm to women. So the
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: daughter's suffering is the endpoint. The son's suffering is instrumental
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: mattering because of what it does to women downstream. The
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: female child is the point. Male child is the conduit
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: to the real female victim. And again, guys, don't do
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 3: the gender binary firing has told you to stop doing that,
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: do it her way. Fathers lose in both videos and
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: opposite charges. Girl dad's father's presence equals control. Boy Mom's
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: father absent or cold equals patriarchal fathers that cannot love
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 3: their sons. Presence is domination or absence is neglect. No
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: father configuration clears the mother. By contrast, the draws sympathy.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 3: The father never draws. In neither video. The emotional register
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: confirms it towards the father, creep, predatory, predatory, mockery towards
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: the boy mom. This makes me feel sad. I feel
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: for those women all right. Both videos name an outgroup
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: and perform concern for children. But the female outgroup Boy
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: Moms is readmitted through the exculpation the well. It's re
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: emitted through the struggle session. The male outgroup fathers men
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 3: plus named individuals, Trump, Mike Johnson is not. Female membership
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: in the in group is recoverable on a sympathy the
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 3: clause male membership isn't. The boundary is mobile for women,
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 3: fixed for men. But don't do binary guys. That's bad, okay. Now,
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: one analytic engine the valiance set by the sex of
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 3: parent in frame father equal agent, terminal villain motive read
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 3: is power. Child below him is a victim mother equal
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 3: conduit provisional villain motive read is deprivation. Child below her
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: as a casualty whose damage manners chiefly for the women
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 3: it will later cost. Does Byrony really reject a gender
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 3: binary I'm asking punished claude, and this will be the
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 3: concluding statement, does binary really? Does Byrony really rejected gender binary?
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: Does she really?
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 3: No? Okay?
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: No, okay, got superhead.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 3: No. The stated position and the operating position contradict each other.
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 3: Stated She repeatedly says the goal is to abolish the binary.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 3: Abolishing the gender binary and forcing kids into dis roll
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 3: or this role is something we shouldn't just shouldn't do.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 3: Kids should be free to explore. The differences between NewBoy
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: and boy and girl are not for any made up
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: social construct. Gender is forced by Pike patriarchy. That's an
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 3: explicit anti binary thesis. The categories our constructs drop them operating.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 3: Almost every analytic move she makes requires the binary to
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 3: be real and load bearing. The entire two parter is
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: organized by the binary girl dads and boy moms boy
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 3: moms as natural kinds for each producing sex typed outcomes
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 3: entitled daughters, entitled sons, devalued daughters. You can't build a
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: theory of how raising a son differs from raising a
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 3: daughter without treating son and daughter as staple category. The
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: harms are sex index and non interchangeable. Daughters get devaluation,
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: sons get entitled entitlement plus grooming. If the categories were
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 3: constructs to be dissolved, the harms wouldn't sort cleanly by sex,
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: But her whole causal story depends on them sorting that way.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 3: She asserts to fixed group psychology, men are dispositional villains.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: Patriarchal fathers can't love their sons. Women are conduits drawn
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: into patriarchy. These are claims about what male and females
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 3: as classics classes characteristically do. That's category essentialism about behavior
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 3: run on those same two boxes she says doesn't exist.
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 3: The contempt itself is binary dependent bare minimum. Mother only works.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 3: If mother names a real category with the defined floor,
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 3: the praise is surprised towards involved. Father's only works its
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 3: father carries a real baseline of zero. Both moves require
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 3: the categories to be solid enough to indix a standard
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: to The contradiction is only apparent if you read her
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: as Auntie he binary. She isn't ai has declared Byrony
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 3: not anti binary binary. She's one anti pole the male poll.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 3: The categories are kept fully operative for the purpose of
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: sorting blame men equal agent, villain, female equal conduit victim,
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 3: and dissolved only rhetorically and only when this dissolution solves
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: the name the same end. For example, a daughter who's
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: a tomboy betraying the binary is used to attack the father,
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 3: not to question the category. Abolish the binary functions as
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 3: a slogan that license condemning whatever men do with their
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 3: half of it, while the binary keeps doing all the
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 3: analytic work underneath a January. A genuine binary rejection would
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 3: have no girl dad and no boy mom as kinds,
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 3: no sex sordid harms, no class level complaint com claims,
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 3: no class level claims about what men are. She has
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: all three, So rejects in profession relies on it in practice,
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: and the practice is where the actual position lives. So
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: get this, guys, binary binary binary Byronary. Sorry, guys, Byrony
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 3: uses binary or anti binary belief systems because she wants
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 3: to see men as bad, but she doesn't see that
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 3: as a binary proposition. There you go, I'm done. Go ahead,
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: Brian all.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: Right, I got a super chow.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: From mufiction for five dollars. And they say Brianny treats
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: her fiction as a reflection of society, like the girlfriend
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: that gets angry at her boyfriend for cheating in her dream.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: Women can't separate fiction from reality. Can she even glean
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: the truthful parts of fiction that correctly capture the people's
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: personalities and their relations to each other. Her social web
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: mode of thinking is busted. Thank you for the super
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: chowm of fiction. Hell, special chat people, This is not schizophrenia.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: We're just talking about stuff. Maybe try listening and uh,
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: you know, instead of like ranting over here and calling
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: it whatever or just keep doom scrolling. I'm sure that's
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: good for your mental health. I'm sorry.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Alison, I think you missed Richard Bierre's other
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: when women say they chose Oh yeah.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: He said, when women say they choose the bear, this
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: is the bear that they visualize. And then he sent
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: an image that I cannot share, but trust me, it's relevant.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know that's a good idea to send images
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: because I can't put them on screen.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: So maybe we should rather. I could, but it'd be
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: a pain in the ass and I don't want to.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe we should make that more easy somehow. I wonder
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: if there is a way. All right, So we went
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 3: through these three videos. Are you not edified? Yeah? Are
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 3: you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Well, we have
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 3: addressed the elephant in the living room, which is these
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: are incredibly popular creators with women.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: Yep, that much is true, and that's not gonna change.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna change.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: We're just gonna need patriarchy, guys, I'm I'm basically, we
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: need patriarchy now and it's gotta go hard, and uh,
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: we can't let women have a say.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: It's just gonna happen. That's just where I'm at, That's
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: where my head is at. Let's do it. Let's just
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: do patriarchy. Let's do it right, Let's do it well
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: with healthy you know, masculinity.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: But definitely we need it because women are not going
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: to fix this. I mean they should, they should at
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: least be warned that it's coming, like can like take precautions,
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: but I can't trust them to fix it.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 3: Bryce for the coming up for impact, get into the position.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 3: Grab your ankles, ladies, all right, assume the position. Okay, So,
• 2:29:59
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  Speaker 3: talked about, reading modalities, Moral Circle undercrine architecture, and I
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 3: don't think I covered threat narrative, but we did do
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 3: a swap gender's analysis on Byrony Claire, which is always fun.
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