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Joe Rogan Experience 2219 Donald Trump · Bedtime Stories

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're rolling. Good to see you, sir. Here
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  Speaker 2: we go. One of the things I wanted to talk
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  Speaker 2: to you about, I wanted to play this, but we
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  Speaker 2: decided we shouldn't play it because it could get copyright
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  Speaker 2: strike and we don't want to get the episode. We
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  Speaker 2: don't want anybody to have any sort of a way
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  Speaker 2: to get it down. Sure. But it was the episode
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  Speaker 2: of you when you were on The View. And I
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  Speaker 2: think it was 2015 or 2006, like when you were
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  Speaker 2: running for president.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And you sat– you got introduced as our friend Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss.
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  Speaker 2: Joy Behar gives you a big hug. Barbara Walters gives
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  Speaker 2: you a big hug. They all loved you. They were
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  Speaker 2: all talking about how you're– you might be– You might
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  Speaker 2: be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially.
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  Speaker 2: They were talking about you as such a favorable light.
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  Speaker 2: The audience was cheering. And then you actually started winning
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  Speaker 2: in the polls, and then the machine started working towards you.
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  Speaker 2: But there's probably no one in history that I've ever
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  Speaker 2: seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked and
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  Speaker 2: the way they've done it so coordinated and systematically. And
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  Speaker 2: when you see those same people in the past, very
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  Speaker 2: favorable to you, like Oprah, when you were on Oprah's show,
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  Speaker 2: she was encouraging you.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, I did one of her last shows, I
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  Speaker 1: think maybe Thursday or Friday. That was a big deal
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  Speaker 1: being on Oprah's show, the last one. And I was
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  Speaker 1: like one of the last shows in that last, that
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  Speaker 1: final week. And I said, boy, we've come a long
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  Speaker 1: way since then. since that.
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  Speaker 2: What was it like?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the concept, it was really like two different lives.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I had a very wonderful life, but I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do this. The Apprentice was still going very strong.
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  Speaker 1: We had 12 seasons and we had actually 14 seasons,
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  Speaker 1: 12 years over. We had a couple of them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct?
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  Speaker 1: No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it. I was involved
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  Speaker 1: in that. And I had enough of it, and we
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  Speaker 1: did great. It was doing great, but they wanted me
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  Speaker 1: to stay. They all came to see me. They said,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to give you a contract. They wanted to
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  Speaker 1: extend my contract. Mark Burnett is a great guy, and
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to extend the contract. Mark said, you're crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Don't run. Don't run. Nobody gives up prime time, they said.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those little things, which is
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  Speaker 1: probably true.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody gives up prime time, though, for being president?
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  Speaker 1: For running. Well, for running against 20-some odd people. It
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  Speaker 1: turned out to be 18-odd. 18 professional people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: mostly politicians. They said, who would do this? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's a long shot. Actually, the heads of NBC came over.
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  Speaker 1: Paul Telagny, all the top people came over to see me,
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  Speaker 1: try and talk me out of it because they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to have me extend. The Apprentice was doing well. So
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  Speaker 1: it was 14 seasons. It was 12 years. We had one,
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  Speaker 1: two seasons where we had a double, which rarely happens.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a hot show. And I said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I want to do this. What happened is... Previously, like
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  Speaker 1: three years, four years before that, they did a poll.
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  Speaker 1: They had Mitt Romney and somehow they put me in
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  Speaker 1: a poll and I blew everybody away. I blew him away,
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  Speaker 1: which isn't that hard, frankly, but I blew everybody away.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, that's interesting because I never really gave
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  Speaker 1: it that much real thought. I thought about it, but
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  Speaker 1: never real thought. But I saw these polls were very good.
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  Speaker 1: And so I was thinking about doing it then, but
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  Speaker 1: I had a contract with The Apprentice. Plus I was
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  Speaker 1: building two big buildings at the time and I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make sure they got finished up properly. And it
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  Speaker 1: was one of those things. The kids were just sort
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  Speaker 1: of getting involved. They're very capable kids, but they were
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  Speaker 1: getting involved early on. So I did that. I got
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  Speaker 1: them done. I had some very good successes. And I
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  Speaker 1: came on, and then I thought about it for the
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  Speaker 1: next one after the Romney disaster. And I ran, and
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  Speaker 1: I won against Hillary. And it was quite an experience.
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  Speaker 1: But it was a different life because you're right, the view.
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  Speaker 1: I was on the view many, many times. And they
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  Speaker 1: loved me.
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  Speaker 2: Just the way people would talk. I mean, even if
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  Speaker 2: people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you,
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  Speaker 2: there was always feuds and stuff like that. But the
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  Speaker 2: reality was the thing turned on you when they found
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  Speaker 2: out that you were going to be president. It was
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  Speaker 2: very coordinated. And some people are catching on to that now.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that were longtime Democrats like
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  Speaker 2: Elon and Bill Ackman and all these different very intelligent people.
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  Speaker 1: And they support me now.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Ackman supports me.
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  Speaker 1: He's been very supportive too.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I wanted to ask you. What was
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  Speaker 2: it like when you actually got in? Because nobody really
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  Speaker 2: can prepare you for that. When you're running for president,
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  Speaker 2: you don't really know what it's going to be like
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  Speaker 2: when you actually get into office. What did you think
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  Speaker 2: it was going to be like?
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  Speaker 1: So do you mean in office or when I decided
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  Speaker 1: to run?
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  Speaker 2: No, when you got in. So when I.
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  Speaker 1: Was in and won and was in the White House, essentially. Well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, it was very surreal. It's very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: When I got shot, it wasn't surreal. That should have
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  Speaker 1: been surreal. When I was laying on the ground, I
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  Speaker 1: knew exactly what was going on. I knew exactly where
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  Speaker 1: I was hit. They were saying you were hit all
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  Speaker 1: over the place because there was so much blood from
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  Speaker 1: the ear. You would know that better than anyone. When
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  Speaker 1: they get the ear torn up.
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  Speaker 2: Ears bleed a lot. They bleed.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, so, and I was thinking the other day, when
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  Speaker 1: that happened, I really knew where I was. I knew
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  Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I said I wasn't hit anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: With the presidency... It was a very surreal experience, okay?
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  Speaker 2: And what's day one like? You win, you get inaugurated,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit, I'm the president.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened. So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue.
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  Speaker 1: I just built a building on Pennsylvania, you know, the hotel,
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  Speaker 1: the old post office it was. We called it Trump
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  Speaker 1: National Hotel. And we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a wonderful thing. But I'm driving down,
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  Speaker 1: I'm passing the hotel. You've never seen so many motorcycles, police, military.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was a major thing. I got off
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  Speaker 1: really the first time I used Air Force One, landed,
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  Speaker 1: and we're coming down, and it was very beautiful. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was incredible. And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in
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  Speaker 1: the opposite direction. You know, normally you're used to going
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  Speaker 1: one way, and all of a sudden you're going the
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  Speaker 1: other way. The street was loaded up, and I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to go out, and I wanted to wave to everybody,
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: but that wasn't smart. you know, the kids, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit dangerous, right? I mean, when you watch like Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: and some others, right? But I really felt, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: the love was so crazy. And so I did get
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  Speaker 1: out of the car for a brief, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: for a very short walk. I thought it was very
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  Speaker 1: important to do. And Melania got out with a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: dress on that became sort of a staple. It was,
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  Speaker 1: people loved it and barren and were walking down the street.
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  Speaker 1: But where it really got Amazing. We get to the
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  Speaker 1: White House, and now it's a little bit before dark. Beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: And we went up to the president's quarters. They call
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  Speaker 1: them the presidential quarters. And I'm standing in this beautiful hallway.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. Nobody ever talks about the White
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  Speaker 1: House as being beautiful inside. You know, you think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be everything's going to be all metal doors
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. It's not. It's so beautiful. I made my
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  Speaker 1: money largely on luxury. The hallway is like 25 feet wide.
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  Speaker 1: The ceiling heights are, you know, every, it's so beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: But I was standing there and I said to the guys,
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  Speaker 1: I want to see the Lincoln bedroom. I had never
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  Speaker 1: seen the Lincoln bedroom. I'd heard about the Lincoln bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: And I was standing with my wife. I said, do
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  Speaker 1: you believe it? This is the Lincoln bedroom. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was like, it was, it was amazing because it's, look,
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  Speaker 1: if you love the country, but here you are, The
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln bedroom. And the bed, you know, he was very tall.
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  Speaker 1: He was 6'6, which then would be like Barron. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It would be like Barron Trump. He's 6'9. But 6'6,
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  Speaker 1: he was very tall. Then on top of that, he
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  Speaker 1: wore that. There it is. Yeah, there it is. It's
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  Speaker 1: a long bed, elongated bed. And because very, you know,
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  Speaker 1: people were shorter. You see some of the chairs are very,
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  Speaker 1: very low to the ground, actually. But he had the
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  Speaker 1: long bed. And they had... You had the Gettysburg Address
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  Speaker 1: right on that, right under that. You can't see it here,
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  Speaker 1: but right there, the original version of the Gettysburg Address.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the original. And I'm looking, and I
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  Speaker 1: just looked around. I said, do you believe this? Because
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  Speaker 1: I was never a politician. First of all, even if
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  Speaker 1: you were a politician, but I was never a politician.
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  Speaker 1: I sort of just started, right? And all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: I'm standing in the White House. And it was very,
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  Speaker 1: very surreal. That room was so beautiful to me, much
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  Speaker 1: more beautiful than it actually is. You know, to me,
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  Speaker 1: when I looked at the bed, and the bed, you
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  Speaker 1: could see, was a little bit longer, had to be
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: a little bit longer. He lost his son, and they suffered.
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  Speaker 1: The two of them suffered from melancholia. They didn't call
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  Speaker 1: it depression. They called it melancholia, and they suffered from it.
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  Speaker 1: He was a very depressed guy, and she was a
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  Speaker 1: very depressed woman, more so than him. And on top
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  Speaker 1: of that, they lost their son. whose name was Tad, Tad.
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  Speaker 1: And it was, just seeing it in the little pictures,
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  Speaker 1: the little tiny picture, I mean, you can't see the
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  Speaker 1: details there, little tiny, everything, a little tiny picture of Tad,
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  Speaker 1: who he lost, and it was devastating. And he was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was, look, he was in a war,
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  Speaker 1: and he was having a hard time because he couldn't
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  Speaker 1: beat Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee won like 13
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  Speaker 1: battles in a row. And he was getting like a phobia,
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: like a fighter. You know a lot about the fight stuff. But, like,
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  Speaker 1: I went to a UFC fight. And it was a
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  Speaker 1: champion who was 14-1 about a year ago. You would
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  Speaker 1: know the names.
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  Speaker 2: 14-1.
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  Speaker 1: And the only guy he lost to was this one guy.
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  Speaker 1: But the guy that he was fighting was like almost
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  Speaker 1: just an average fighter, lost numerous times, but he beat
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  Speaker 1: this one guy. So I said, okay.
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  Speaker 2: I really don't know who you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I will figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But about a year ago. But the point is that
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  Speaker 1: he lost. He wasn't nearly the fighter. But the one
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  Speaker 1: who was not nearly the fighter had beaten. He's the
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  Speaker 1: only guy that beat the champ like five years before.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, I'll take the guy that won the
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  Speaker 1: other fight. And that's what happened. He beat him a
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  Speaker 1: second time.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes psychological advantages.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is this crazy thing? Lincoln had a, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I've never read this. I heard it from
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  Speaker 1: people in the White House who really understand what was
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  Speaker 1: going on with the whole life of the White House.
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  Speaker 1: But Lincoln had the yips about, in a way, as
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  Speaker 1: the golfers would say. He had a phobia about Robert E. Lee.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I can't beat Robert E. because Robert E.
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  Speaker 1: Lee won many battles in a row. He was just
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  Speaker 1: beating the hell out of them. You know, they tried
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  Speaker 1: to get Robert E. Lee to be on the North,
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  Speaker 1: but he said, no, I have to be with my state.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the state was his whole thing, and he
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  Speaker 1: went to the South. And he was, I've had generals
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  Speaker 1: tell me, we have some great generals, the real generals,
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: not the ones you see on television, the ones that
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  Speaker 1: beat ISIS with me. We defeated ISIS in record time.
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  Speaker 1: It was supposed to take years, and we did it
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  Speaker 1: in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These
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  Speaker 1: are tough guys. These are not woke guys. But their
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  Speaker 1: favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of strategy, you mean? Strategically. He took a
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  Speaker 1: war that should have been over in a few days.
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  Speaker 1: And it was, you know, years of hell, a vicious war.
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  Speaker 1: And so here I am standing there. And again, I
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  Speaker 1: had never really done this before. You know, I ran.
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  Speaker 1: I ran a number of months before I won. I probably,
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  Speaker 1: I guess if you figured max it out, it would
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  Speaker 1: be a year, something like that. So I had never
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  Speaker 1: run for office. And I did well. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: went into debates. We had 18 people, including me. And
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: then slowly but surely, they started to disappear. We had debates,
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  Speaker 1: good debates.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's aware of all this stuff, but what I want
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  Speaker 2: to get to is what was the experience once you
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  Speaker 2: got inside? What did you think it was going to
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  Speaker 2: be like in terms of your ability to govern? This
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  Speaker 2: is your first experience governing anything. You've never been a governor.
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  Speaker 2: You've never been a mayor.
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  Speaker 1: Private stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Business. But now all of a sudden you're inside the
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  Speaker 2: White House.
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  Speaker 1: The biggest thing was just that first moment of being
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  Speaker 1: in this hallowed, it was really a hallowed place to me.
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  Speaker 1: It was surreal. To me, that was the experience. It
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  Speaker 1: was a surreal experience. And then with time, that wears off.
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  Speaker 1: With time, it becomes, you know, your place where you stay. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of— I had two things that
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  Speaker 1: I really focused on, governing the country and survival. Because
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  Speaker 1: from the moment I won, before I got to office,
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I mean, they came down. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: nobody has ever been treated that way. And you see that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you see we're in the Washington Post very
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  Speaker 1: early on. They said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts.
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  Speaker 1: And it did. I mean it literally started from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: So I had survival and run the nation. I had
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  Speaker 1: a combination. Most people don't have the survival. They get in.
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  Speaker 2: What did you expect though in terms of like once
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  Speaker 2: you got inside, you had a point? All these people.
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  Speaker 2: How many appointments did you have to make?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have actually 10,000 appointments. Now, they're different. You
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  Speaker 1: have big ones and then they appoint 100 people and
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  Speaker 1: 200 people. But the president really is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments.
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  Speaker 1: So you'll appoint a secretary of state and he or
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  Speaker 1: she will appoint a lot of people. So it's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But in terms of major ones, you probably have like 100.
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  Speaker 1: But they're big ones. Treasury, state. military.
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  Speaker 2: And how did you know who to appoint?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't. I had no experience. I was there
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  Speaker 1: 17 times in Washington and I never stayed over. According
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  Speaker 1: to the press, which I think is probably right, over
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  Speaker 1: the years, I was only there 17 times. I never
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  Speaker 1: stayed over. So now I'm sitting there, I'm saying, this
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  Speaker 1: place is gorgeous, but you know, I don't know anybody.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you, you know, you go to certain areas
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  Speaker 1: and other areas, they may be great. Washington was great.
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  Speaker 1: Washington's not so great right now. They're going to, we
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  Speaker 1: got to fix it. We're going to make it better.
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  Speaker 1: A very dangerous place, very badly maintained place. We're going
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: to make it great. We're going to make it better.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to bring it back. But I wasn't a
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Washington guy. I was a New York guy. I was
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: a New York builder and I built buildings in New
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: York and I knew that whole world, but I didn't
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: know the Washington world too well. And all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden you're supposed to be appointing top people.
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  Speaker 2: So what did you think it was going to be
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  Speaker 2: like versus like, did you have any ideas of what
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  Speaker 2: it was going to be like and what was different?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from
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  Speaker 1: the standpoint of a donor.
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  Speaker 2: I was a donor.
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  Speaker 1: I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed politics.
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  Speaker 2: Mostly Democrats, right?
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  Speaker 1: Both, really. Pretty much both. Actually, pictures of Ronald Reagan
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  Speaker 1: in me when I was very young.
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  Speaker 2: You were a Democrat until what year?
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  Speaker 1: I was a Democrat. I could get you the exact.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: But the early 90s, the early 90s, I switched over eventually. Actually,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: they had a reform party. I was thinking about doing
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: that for a little while, but then fortunately I didn't
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: because it's very hard. You know, it's a two-party system.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: And anytime you hear third party, I know you like
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: RFK Jr. and so do I. He's a fantastic guy.
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  Speaker 2: I do, but I thought that being an independent was nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It doesn't work because even if you
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  Speaker 1: do great, you're not going to get Congress. In other words,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: you need now to say, okay, now I'll get half
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: of Congress that's never going to vote for you. So
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: even if you got there, which is very hard, and but,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: and I know how you feel about Bobby and I
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: feel the same way. And he's now with us, but it, it,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: it doesn't, it's real, it's pure and simple. It's a
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: two party system.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: And, uh, somebody, I won't mention his name, but somebody
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: spent $ 250 million trying to get the nomination as a
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: reform party candidate or whatever. And they got just nowhere.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: You get eaten. You just get eaten. The system eats
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: you alive.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: So, uh, So it was really somebody that not only
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: was new to Washington, but was new to politics. So
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: in the office of the presidency, over the years, all
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: those presidents, you've had 92% were politicians and 8% were generals.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: General Eisenhower, General Washington, right? General George Washington, you had generals.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: So it's 8%, no admirals, 8% generals, and 92% politicians.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: You know, they're politicians and they go on. So they
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: never had a business guy or they never had a
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: guy that wasn't elected to an office. They were all,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: like Ronald Reagan was really, he was a movie actor,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: but he became the governor of California for, I think,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: two terms, and then he ran. So you never had
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a thing like this. But I, you know, in terms
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: of me, and sometimes I'd use it as an excuse,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and I don't like having excuses, actually, but I'd use
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: it as an excuse. I had to rely on people
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: that I respected or liked but that I didn't know
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that well because I didn't know them that well. Some
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: of those people I campaigned against because, you know, when
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you have 18 people, we had mostly politicians running in
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: the election, you know, running in the primaries. And they
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: got knocked out one by one. But I got to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: like some of them. Some of them I didn't like
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: at all. I don't like them now. And I'd rely
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: on them and I'd rely on other people. So all
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of a sudden people would come in. I'd like to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: recommend so-and-so to be secretary of state. And I have three,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: four people recommend. One thing I can tell you, everybody
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: wants the position.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: No, no. But sometimes I'll hear a lot of people
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: don't want to work with Trump because Trump is tough
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to work with, et cetera. Let me tell you, everybody
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: wants to be any one of these positions. They die
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Now, they don't want to be known. I mean, there's
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: a particular guy in New York, primarily, very big, very big,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: very successful, very very strong, very political, although he's not
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: a politician, he'd give anything to be Secretary of State,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: but if they ask him, no, I don't think I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: would do it, but in the meantime, begging for it, okay, begging. Everybody, look,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: everybody wants it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: By the way.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: No matter what you do, but it's very dangerous to
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician's been
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: basically vetted for years. You pick a business guy, And
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: they've never been vetted at all, and they're the head
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of a big company or something, but they've never been vetted.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: You know nothing about his personal life. You know nothing
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: about where he's been. When you put them in, it's
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: get checked up, and you hear things that you're saying, wow,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: this is not going to work out too well. So
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: it's very dangerous. Picking people that are outside of politics
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: is somewhat dangerous.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So you're kind of stuck in a position where you
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: have to pick established people. And then the problem with
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: And they're stiffs in many cases. Stiffs. They're survivors. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: find that, you.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Know— What do you mean by stiffs? When you say
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: stiffs— They don't have nothing.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: They have nothing. Or— they're smart and survival. One little thing.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So there was a congressman years before I ran, and
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I was very close to him. And I needed a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: license on something, and he was very important in getting
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the license. But it was a little bit controversial, the license,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: this particular thing that was being licensed. But I was
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: close to this guy. And helped him and everything else.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: And I went to him. I said, I'd like to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: have your help. And he said, let me take a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: look at it. I said, oh, that's not too good.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: But I really hope you're going to help. Anyway, he
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: tapped me along for a long period of time and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: ultimately didn't do it. And I said, you are a stiff.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: You could have done this thing so easy, et cetera.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: But it was controversial. He was in Congress for many years,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: like 28 years. And, you know, there's a reason when
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: somebody's there for 28 years, you've got to be sort
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of smart. Right.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: You know, you have all the scandals.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: A survivor. And I realized he was a survivor.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And so they never do anything controversial. They never take
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: any chances or speak their opinion that's outside of it. Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And yet I don't disrespect him for it. I actually
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: respected the guy more in a certain way. Because he
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: did survive. You know what? He's been there like for
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: 28 years and he made it through. A lot of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: people don't make it through.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Well, it is. It certainly is.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: So you're in there. You have 10,000 appointments you have
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: to make. Like, So you're getting advice from people. And
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: at one point in time, did you have a moment
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: in time where you realize, like, these are bad choices?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Like some of these people I shouldn't have had in there? Oh, yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I think so. The one question that you'll ask me
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: that I think you'll ask me that people seem to ask,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and I always come up with the same answer. The
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: one mistake, because I had a lot of success, great economy,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: great everything. Everything was great. We were the military rebuilt it,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: biggest tax cuts in history, all this stuff. We had
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a great presidency. Three Supreme Court justices, most people get none.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: You know, you pick them young, this way they're there
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: for 50 years, right? So, you know, even if a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: president is there for eight years, oftentimes they never have
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a chance.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I had three.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: It was sort of the luck of the draw. But
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I will say that it always comes back to the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: same answer. The biggest mistake I made was I picked
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: some people. I picked some great people, you know, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you don't think about that. I picked some people that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have picked. I picked a few people that
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have picked.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Neocons?
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal people.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Or people that were just bad. Because you got bad advice.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, you're reading about them
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit today. A guy like Kelly, who was
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a bully, but a weak person. You know more about
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly. But,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you know, he's bad. Bolton was an idiot, but he
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: was great for me because I'd go in with a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: guy like a John Bolton. You know John Bolton. A
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: friend of mine called me up. I was picking Bolton.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: He's a very smart guy. His name is Phil Ruffin.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas, one of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the— He's a great card player. He doesn't play cards,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: but he's a great player. You know, he's just a natural,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: got poker sense, right? You know, the good old poker sense.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And Phil Ruffin is a very, very wise kind of
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a guy and very, one of the richest people around
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and has had great success and understands people. So it
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: was in that I was picking Bolton or I picked Bolton.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: He called up, he said, don't pick him. Why? He's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: a bad guy. Now he wasn't in politics at all.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: He's in various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: He's just, it always works out bad with that guy.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And I said, oh man, I wish you told me
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: this two weeks ago. I already hired him. You know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: he's here. And he was right. But he was good
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: in a certain way. He's a nut job. And every
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: time I had to deal with a country, when they
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh man,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Trump's going to go to war with us. He was
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: They should have never done it. I used to say
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it as a civilian. So I always got more publicity
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: than other people. And I didn't– it wasn't like I
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: was trying. In fact, I don't know exactly why. Maybe
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you can tell me why.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can definitely tell you. You said a lot
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: of wild shit.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe. He said a lot of wild shit and then
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: CNN in all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: made you much more popular. And they boosted you in
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the polls because people were tired of someone talking in
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: this bullshit, pre-prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn't
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: that's him. That's really him. When you see certain people talk,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: certain people in the public eye, you don't know who
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: they are. You have no idea who they are. It's
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: very difficult to know. You see them in conversations. They
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: have these preplanned answers. They say everything. It's very rehearsed.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: You never get to the meat of it. One of
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the beautiful things about you is that you freeball. You
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: get out and you do these huge events. And you're
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: just talking and you're making, we've highlighted you on the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: show many times where you, when you did this Biden
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: impression where he's walking around, he doesn't know what he's doing.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It's funny.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It's standup. It's funny stuff. But it's like you, and
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you were making fun of Elon one time. You were
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: doing an Elon impression. It's great. You have like comedic instincts.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Like when you said to Hillary, you'd be in jail.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Like that's great timing. But it's like that kind of
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: stuff was unheard of as a politician. Like no one
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: had done that. And I think- You know what's funny?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: You need- at least the attitude of a comedian when
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you're doing this business. This is a very dangerous business.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: First of all, it's a very tough business.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: It's the most dangerous business.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Well, for a job?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, other than going to war and being
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: a firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Being president is the most dangerous.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Especially you. I mean, you haven't even got to the election.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: There's been two assassination attempts and they've brush those out
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: of the news like it was nothing.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: people would be attacking the right, how they would be
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: trying to get guns taken away from people. They would
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: try to ramp up gun laws. They would try to
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: figure out some way to blame you. If there was
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: attacks on, if Biden got shot in the ear, we
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: would have never heard the end of it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But I think he's in good shape because it's only
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: consequential presidents. If you take a look at what's happened, look,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I'm for having countries pay us billions and billions and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: trillions even dollars. I took in hundreds of billions of
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: dollars from China. Nobody took in 10 cents, not one
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: other president. I do things that make it, I mean,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that don't necessarily make me so popular. I just do
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: what's right. And when you do that, you know, you're more,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: look at, look at Iran. Iran, we would have never
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: had the attack on Israel at all. Iran was broke.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I told China, if you buy, you can't do business
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: in the United States under any circumstances. I was going to,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: We're going to go cold turkey with China. Some people
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: think that would have been a good idea anyway. But
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil from them,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you're not doing business. I say that to many countries.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Iran was broke. They had no money for Hezbollah. They
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: had no money for Hamas. They had no money. But
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I make myself, you know, I mean, I understand what
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I'm doing. You make yourself a target. And it's a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: very dangerous business. But if you just look at statistically...
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So I said, I sort of think, I don't know
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: if it's right, but one-tenth of 1% for a race
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: car driver. Yeah, it's a pretty dangerous business, right? One-tenth
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of 1% for a bull rider. I tell you, to me,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: these guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: These guys, you see these big monster bulls and you
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: see it in slow motion where the foot is like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you know, an inch away from the head if it
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: hits him, the guy's gone. But they die, you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: they die.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: So one-tenth of 1% die, is that what you're saying?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, one-tenth of 1% die. Right. And they certainly
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: get hurt badly, really. I mean, they can't walk after
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a certain period of time. But with a president, if
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you look.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: At the assassination— The amount of assassination attempts. And attempts, too.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And attempts. No, it's a very dangerous position. I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: never thought of that, by the way, when I did it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: You know, you don't.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Tend to— Do you just assume because people loved you
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: on The Apprentice they were going to love you as
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: a president?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I figured it would be so easy.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it probably would have been if the media didn't
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: attack you the way they did, if they didn't conflate
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: you with Hitler. I mean, even today, like Kamala was
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: talking about you and Hitler. They're going to take what
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: you said about Robert E.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Lee.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South won.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: He loves Robert E. Lee.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: They love to take things out of context and distort things.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: But they don't even have to take them out. They
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: make them up entirely.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: They do that too.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: But, you know, it's interesting when you mentioned the– I
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: was very popular. And all those people loved me. I mean,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: some of these women, they're so stupid. And Joy, every
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: time she'd see me, like I'd be in The theater
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: or something. You have to be on the show again.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Come on, come on. Let's go.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: She loved you.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: She loved me.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That episode. By the way, Whoopi. People should watch that
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: episode just to see what we're talking about. Like I said,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: we don't want to get a copyright strike, so we're
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: not going to put it up. But if you watch
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the episode, it's bananas. It's like an alternative universe. And
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: it's only nine years ago. Whoopi loved me.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Loved you.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Gives you a hug and a kiss.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And how about that other one, the new one on there,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the one from my administration? She writes me a letter.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: You're the greatest president. She leaves. She leaves. You know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: she worked as like an assistant press secretary. I hardly
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: knew her. But she leaves and she writes me this
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: gorgeous letter. What's her name? She was... I don't even know.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You know, anyway, she was in the administration. She's on
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: now currently. Sits in the far right-hand side, whatever the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: hell her name is. And she writes a letter, the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: most beautiful letter. She's quoted in the paper. He's a consequential.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: He was the greatest president, blah, blah, blah. Then all
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: of a sudden she goes in the view and she
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: starts hitting the hell out of me. Because they won't
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: hire unless... I've had many people go on CNN and
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: they call and said, I don't know what to do.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: They want to pay me a lot, but I have
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to be negative on you. I said, be negative. That's okay.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: There are guys on like CNN. They won't hire them.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Sean Duffy is a congressman and he retired. He got
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a good job with CNN, but he was only positive
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: about Trump. So they kept him, but they would never
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: put him on. I mean, I respect what he did.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: He could have gone negative. I tell people, Go negative.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Let my friends make the money. It's so crooked. The
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: press is so crooked.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: It's crooked, but it's also they're diminishing themselves. They're hurting themselves.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: They're killing all their credibility, and it's opening up the
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: credibility to new media. It's opening up the credibility to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: independent media.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: The worst I've ever seen, though, and I've seen the worst.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I've been a part of it. I've seen the worst.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer that a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: child wouldn't give. It was so bad. And 60 Minutes
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: took the answer out. They took the whole, and they
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: put another answer in.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: They edited it deceptively.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Which didn't make sense either, but it was better. They
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: took the, well, it wasn't editing. It was fraud.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: This was not editing.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You know, editing is where I'll give an answer and
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: they'll take a couple of words and change them around.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Or they might even take a sentence or two off,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: which is very bad. But that's, it's sort of bad.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I'd give an answer, which was a very
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: good answer. I always talk about, you know, I like
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to give long the weave answers.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you like to weave things in.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But when you do the weaves, and you have to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: be very smart to do weaves, when you do the weave,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: look at this, just in this one thing, we're talking
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: about little pieces all over here, but it always ends up, no, no,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it comes back home for the right people. For the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: wrong people, it doesn't come back home and they end
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: up in the wilderness, right? But they can take my answer,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and you know what, they may take a little piece
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: of it out or something, and they use the term, yes,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: we want to save time. Well, it's not right, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I've never heard I think it's the biggest scandal in
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: broadcast history, what happened to CBS. So you have CBS
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: 60 Minutes. That's a news program. It's not an entertainment program.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: It's under their news. It's the head of their news thing.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: She gives an answer that shows that she's essentially incompetent,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and they took the answer. Could you imagine them doing
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that for me?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: We can show it if you want people to see it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Can we show it? Sure. We'll get in trouble. We'll
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: get copyright strike.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I'll indemnify you. But it's drastic. But what was interesting
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: was the other full version was available initially. It was
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: like a preview.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Somebody made a big mistake.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Somebody put that preview out there.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Some kid put the preview out.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: And then the bosses did this or that. Exactly. And
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they said, we got a problem.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And then it became— They got caught by mistake. Well,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you know— But don't you think that's a big— to me— and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: don't forget, this is election interference and fraud. And it's
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: 60 Minutes. It's their news division. So it's a big deal.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: They give those licenses out, Joe, for free. They should
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: pay a fortune. They're worth a fortune. They give them
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: out for free because they're using the public airwaves. With cable,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you don't have that. Cable's different. But, you know, it's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: just a different deal. But with the networks, they give
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: those licenses. They're worth billions of dollars. They give them
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: out free. But you have to be honest and all.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: That was bad. I think that David Muir and that
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: woman that was a site, I never even heard of her,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: but They kept interrupting me. It was like I said,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: how many people am I debating here? I got this
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: one and I got you two. But he went after
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: me 11 different times. You know, it's interesting. I always
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: thought he was a nice guy, but he's just like
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the rest of them, you know?
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Well, that's his job, unfortunately. And I'm sure what they want.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: You're right. Well, the problem was they fact checked you
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: and they didn't fact check her. And one of the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: most egregious examples of that. was when she said that
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: there are no troops right now deployed in war zones.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: There's a very famous viral video that went online of
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: are we then? Because there's thousands of them. Dan Crenshaw.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: The congressman posted on his Instagram all of the various
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: troops that are currently deployed.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Stupidly deployed.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: But the point is, if this is going to be
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a real debate, you have to
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: fact check everybody. So if someone says maybe she thought
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: there was no, which is also a problem. So it's
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: one of two things. It's either it was not true.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: It was a lie on purpose, which is terrible. Or
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: it was the opposite. It was ignorance, which is also terrible.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he said, no, no,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: crime has gone down. I said, where did you hear
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that one? Crime has gone down. I mean, I'm debating
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: with this guy. But I've had that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: that that showed the crime had gone up substantially.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And by the way, the statistics were a fraud because
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: of the worst places. They didn't include some of the
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: You turned out to be right. But then there's another problem.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Unreported crime is way up. Because people have lost, look,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the morale that the police department has in a lot
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible. It's
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the dumbest idea of all time. But what they've done
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: is they've made these cops feel terrible, like good cops.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: them are great. It's like everybody else. But if you
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: in your house, you say, carpenters fucking suck. But they
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: don't suck. Most of them are great. And that's the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: key thing with cops. But the point is, like, they
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: did all of these things in this very foolish way.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: And these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: so subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of crime, like you call the cops. They're
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: too busy. They can't even get to you. Or your
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: house got broken into. Sorry. You know, it doesn't even
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: make a report. There's a lot of people that they
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: just give up.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's so sad what's happened. And I'll tell you what.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I go to police funerals. And we went to one
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: in Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Very big deal. It's so dangerous. People don't realize. The car,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: dark windows, pull over. He's a gentleman. Please pull over.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Door opens. Guy comes out firing. Even if they were
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not. They can't,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you know, pull out their gun.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Do it in time.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: They still wouldn't have time.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: It's every cop's worst nightmare.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: They open the door and he was killed and his
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: partner was hurt. He was killed. And you don't have,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't even have an eighth of a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: second to think. And it is such a dangerous job.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: That in particular. Think of it. You go up to
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: a car. You don't know who's sitting there with a gun.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: And if they have a gun, You really don't have
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a chance. You're not allowed to have your gun out,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: by the way. They have very strict rules. So number one,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: but even if you could have your gun out, the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: door opens and bullets start firing out, especially where they
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: It is such a dangerous profession, and it's very hard
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to get cops now because they're not given any backup.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And you're right. You know, they have like an eighth
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: of a second to make a decision that's going to
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: change their life. If they make the wrong decision, they're
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: going to end up on the front page of every
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: newspaper in the country and they're going to lose their
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: house and their pension and their job and their wife
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: is going to be gone and everything is going to
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: be gone.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And here's another thing that people don't talk about. How
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. These
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: guys are seeing people shot all the time. I've talked
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: to a ton of cops about it. A lot of
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: But we have to give them back their dignity. We
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: just have to give it back. You said it so good.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: You never hear anybody say that. You're never going to
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: have it perfect. You're going to have a bad apple.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: In everything, in every profession. But every time there's a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: bad apple, that gets massive publicity. And it It taints
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: everybody else.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: defund the police, get rid of the police. Even Kamala
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Harris was a part of that. It's a very stupid
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: way to look at it. What you should do is
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: fund the police. You should have better training. You should
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: have cops that feel more appreciated. You should have something
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffered through.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: She was a big part of defund the police. That
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: was a big thing for her, defund the police, always
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: defund the police.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: It's a political idea, right?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Anybody with that political thought, I don't think should be
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: running for president. And I think people are getting wise
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to it. You know, we're doing pretty well now. I
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe in a week from now, say, sorry
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: about that. I was wrong. But we're leading everything. And
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to have a very good election.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: But I tell people, because people are starting to get
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to know her. But she was to fund the police.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: She was to all these transgender operations. You know, if
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you wanted a sex change and you were in detention
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and you demanded a sex change, they would give you
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a sex change.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: sex change to illegal immigrants.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: That's right. In detention.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest problem
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: you have? You just walked here from Guatemala. You need
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: to become a girl.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: But she was in favor of it. So think of it.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Now she changed. She changed 15 policies. In fact, I'm
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: going to send her a MAGA cap.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: She stole your idea about no tax for tips.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I came up with this idea. that honestly nobody ever
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: heard of. Now, it took her two months, but you
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: know what? Well, it caught fire. And she just put
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: it into a little speech.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: It became popular.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I think we still have that issue. I think that
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: issue is a good one for us. But no, we
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: have a lot of good issues. You know, we had
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the other day. Think of how simple some of these
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: things are. We're trying to get cars built in the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: United States. Detroit has been really tough. It's been a disaster.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: They have a huge factory, a huge car auto plant
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: being built by China in Mexico. Make cars, sell them
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: in the United States, put everybody out of business, right?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Here we go again. I said, if that plant is
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: there when I'm president, I will put 100 or 200%
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: tariffs on every car. They'll be unsaleable in the United States.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: And they just announced they're not going to build the
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: plant because they think I'm going to win. Think of it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: They're not going to build the plant This was the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: biggest plant in the world. More than all of Michigan makes,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: that's how big. This is what we're getting to. And
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I said, if that plan goes up, I want them
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to understand if I win, I'm gonna tax those cars
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: at the rate of 100 or 200% a piece so
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: that you won't be able to sell them in the
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: United States. They just announced they're not gonna build the plant.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I did a big favor for our country by doing that.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm not even there yet. To me, the most
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: of weeks in the dictionary today, is the word tariff.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: It's more beautiful than love. It's more beautiful than anything.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: It's the most beautiful word. This country can become rich.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: with the proper use of tariffs.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: It'll keep... Did you just float out the idea of
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Well, okay.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Are we serious about that?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. But why not? Because we... Ready? Our country
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: was the richest relatively in the 1880s and 1890s. A
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the tariff king.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: He spoke beautifully of tariffs. His language was really beautiful.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: we will not allow the enemy to come in and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: take our jobs and take our factories and take our
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: workers and take our families unless they pay a big price.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: And the big price is tariffs. And he'd speak like that,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: but he was right. And then around in the early 1900s,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: they switched over stupidly to, frankly, an income tax. And
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: you know why? Because countries were putting a lot of
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: pressure on America. We don't want to pay tariffs. Please don't.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: You know, they, believe me, they control our politicians. If
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you look at the kind of numbers that these guys
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: make then and now, but we had a commission meeting
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: in the, I think it was 1887. Think of this problem.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: We were so rich. We had so much money. We
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. So they set up a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: blue ribbon commission on tariffs. And the sole purpose is
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: what to do with all the money we had. We
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: were so rich. Because we were taxing other people for
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: coming in and taking our jobs. And China does it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: That's what China did. If you want to open a
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: factory and sell cars, if you build a factory here
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: or have a factory, they don't take our cars. They
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: wouldn't take our cars. But if you build a plant
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: in China, you can do that. Elon did that. By
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the way, Elon is great. That guy is such a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: great guy. I think you're a fan of Elon. He
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: is from a different planet. He's the greatest guy. That
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: rocket coming in. I told the story once or twice,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: so you may have heard it, because his speeches have
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: been good. Did you see the one last night?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: 29,000 people. And the one the night before was the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: same thing. We are rocking and rolling. But Elon, and
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to this very important guy, I say, wait
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: a minute, I'm looking at something. The television's unmuted, right?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And I see this rocket. It's all dead. brown from
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the heat, you know, it's like 10,000 degrees pouring down
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: at thousands of miles an hour. And I see this thing,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like a 20-story building. And I say
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to this guy, he's an important guy, wait a minute,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: let me just put you down, hold it, I gotta
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: see this. And I see this, and it's gonna crash.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I say, it's gonna crash into the gantry, they call
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: it a gantry. I say, oh man, that's gonna be
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: a disaster, because it's starting to get very close. And
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you see the flames and
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: about a roar And then you see the two arms
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: grab it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And I forgot the guy. I had him on the phone. No,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I called Elon. I said, was that you? He said,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that was me. And I said, who else can do that?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: He said, nobody. Russia can't do it. The United States,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: nobody can do it. I set up Space Force. That
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: was me. And that's the first time in 82 years
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: that we opened another branch since the Air Force. And
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that's going to be one of our most important things.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: But Think of what Elon does. And he did one
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: other thing that I never heard of it. It's Starlink.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I followed it right down. And they had no communication.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: The polls were all knocked down. And one of the
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Do you know Elon Musk? Yes. He endorsed me. By
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement, too. He said,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the country's going to fail. You should do the same thing, Joe.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Because you cannot be voting for Kamala. Kamala, you're not
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a Kamala person. I know you. I've watched you. I
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: know him better than he is. You know what? Without
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: as well as your wife. I have watched you for
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: so many years. You're not a Kamala person. You're a
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Khabib person, but you're not a Kamala person. Nobody's going
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: to know who Khabib is, but... Oh, they know who
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: he is. He was not bad, right?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, he was phenomenal.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But that's your kind of person.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Your weave is getting wide. We're getting wide with this weave.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I want to bring it back to tariffs.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: But wait, one second. Before we finish with tariffs, so
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: they said, could you get him? We need Starlink. And
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I call Elon. He got it for him so fast,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: saved so many lives. And I said, how was it?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: They said, better than the wires. You know, they couldn't
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: put him in. They were all gone.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I used it recently in Utah in the mountains.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Did you find it good?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size of an iPad. You
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: just set it down on the ground, you get high-speed internet.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: We're spending, just to show you, we're spending a trillion
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: dollars to get cables all over the country, right? Up
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to upstate areas. where you have like two farms and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: they're spending millions of dollars to advocate.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Well, talk about the $ 42 billion that was wasted on
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: this internet access program. They didn't get anybody.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: They haven't hooked up one person yet.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Not one person. They spent $ 42 billion. They could have
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: gotten Starlinks to everybody. With that kind of money.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: For almost nothing. Yeah. For a monthly charge.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And it would have been incredible. And it's high-speed internet
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: everywhere you want to go.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And he wanted to do that.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And he wanted to do it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: How about this? They built the charger stations, right? In
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the Midwest. They built eight of them. They cost $ 9 billion.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: That's like a gas pump, right? They built nine gas pumps,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: except electricity comes out. They spent $ 9 billion. Three of
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: them don't work. The whole thing. There's so much wasted.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I could sit here and tell you about things that
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: there's so much waste, abuse, and fraud.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's—yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I think everybody's aware
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: of that now.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to tariffs.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: When you're talking about— one of the criticisms of your administration
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increase the deficit.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: So— What was the strategy behind that? And did you
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: think it was going to increase the deficit by a
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: substantial amount? Okay.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: We were ready to rock. You know, I had a
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: bad system. We had horrible tax policy. I made it
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: great with a much lower tax rate. So I took
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: it from almost 40% down to 21%. Now I'm bringing
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: it from 21% down to 15%, but only if you
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: make your product in the United States. which is great.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: People call me, they said, what a great idea. Nobody
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: ever heard of that before. I don't care if they
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: make the product in Japan. Why should I give up?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So it's a 21. At 21, in the first year,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: we took in much more revenue than we did at
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: almost 40. Think of that. It inspired. Now we had
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: other things too. We were able to get people to
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: bring back their money. You couldn't bring back your money.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: If you had money in Europe, like Apple, Apple had
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Many billions of dollars outside. There was no way to
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: bring it back in. The bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: And also the tax was too high. They wanted like
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: half of it or something. Nobody's going to do that.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: So they leave their money in Japan and they spend
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: their money there. That was part of what I did.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: The money came pouring back in. Apple took in hundreds
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: of billions of dollars. They brought it back from overseas.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: They brought it in.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: So how does the deficit increase because of that?
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: So what happened is this. We were ready to rock
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and roll. And then we had the COVID thing. And
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: we had to focus on that. And if we didn't
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: give some businesses a hand, you would have had a
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: depression like in 1929. But we were ready to start.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: We would have very shortly been paying off debt. You know,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: we have $ 35 trillion in debt. And I'll never forget it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: We were, it was talking about from, you know, the
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: standpoint of being in office. I'm in the Oval Office
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio, the two very
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: good pollsters, probably, I don't know, I would say the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: two best, who knows, but very good pollsters. And we're
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: starting to think about running for a second term. And
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: we had the greatest economy in history. Never has there
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: been an economy like this.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: And you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs. Yeah,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of tariffs.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Two things. And also I cut regulations more than anybody else.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: And I asked many of the businessmen from the big companies,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the guys running the big companies, I'd say, so have
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you had your choice? You've had it now for a
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: long time. What's more important to you, the tax cuts,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: you paid less tax, or the regulation cuts? Every one
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of them said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: think that, right? Because you don't equate it to dollars,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: but it actually is more dollars. We had it going,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and then we just had to focus on something else.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: But they were sitting there, these two pollsters were sitting there,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and they said, sir, if George Washington came back, And
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Waltz. How
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham Lincoln
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: was his VP, they couldn't beat you. And I'll never
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: forget it. The following day, they said, something's happening in China, sir.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Could we meet? I said, what's happening? People are dying.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: There are pictures with little lines saying, their body bags,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: all around the Wuhan lab. And I always said that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: from the beginning, Joe, was, you know, they tried to say,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: first they said it was France and, you know, they
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: blamed everybody. But then they say it was bats from
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a cave 2,000 miles away. So we got hit with that.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And despite that, we had the best economy. And when
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I gave it over, the stock market was higher than
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: it was pre-COVID. I mean, nobody could even believe it.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: But we saved it. And We were helping businesses. They
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: were dying.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: So it's your belief that if you had a second term,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: that you would have been able to pay off a
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: lot of the debt. And that was the strategy.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: If we didn't have COVID, we would have been paying
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: off debt and we would have had. And don't forget,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: by growth, the word growth is actually more important in
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: a way because you could have the same debt. But
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you're
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: under levered. But still, we should pay off debt. You know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: if you viewed this $ 35 trillion right now, it's a lot.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: But if you look at the asset value, if you
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: looked at it purely as an asset value, we have
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: oil underground, we have water, we have mountains, we have
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the— I mean, the assets are so enormous. But regardless
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: of that, we've got $ 35 trillion in debt. We should
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: pay it off. And we would have started paying off
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: debt and probably even giving further— given further Tax reductions.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I want to get it down to 15%. We're going
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to do more business. But when you get hit with
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: a COVID, everything stops and you have to keep these
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: businesses alive. The businesses were dying. I mean, they were
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: just dying. This whole place, this country was going to die.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: sort of things outside of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: of course. But are there other influences that may be
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: over-accentuate or over-exaggerate these environmental effects? Are people being influenced
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: in a way where they're trying to keep us from
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: producing American oil?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So- The environmental is the biggest tool for
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: stopping growth, the biggest tool. The other is regulation. And
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: do everything, it's almost, it's becoming impossible. But they use
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: environmental in order to get people not to do anything.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I say, you know, I look at some
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: of the, I know the environmental stuff better because I
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: had to build buildings in New York. I had to build,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I had to do environmental impact studies. And I would
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: see some of these guys that I'd hire for a
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: lot of money, environmentalists that would get you through the process.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: And they'd be up in Albany, that's the capital of
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: New York. And they're up there trying to make it
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: tougher for guys like me that were builders because they'd
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: get paid more money. In other words, I had one guy, um,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Highly recommended. You know, I was good at getting permits.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I was one of the kings. I was always very good.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: But the environmental stuff was always horrible. They could slow
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: a project down 10 years, 15 years. I had a
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: project in Louisiana, built a big LNG plant. It was
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: for 14 years. It was going to cost $ 18 billion,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest, like the Empire State Building, laying
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: down on its side times four. Massive on the coast,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: on the Gulf Coast. And they said, sir, they're going
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: to give it up. I said, they shouldn't give it up.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: What's the problem? They can't get their environmental. They had
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: environmental permits that would fill this whole room up to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the ceiling. And they said there was one mistake on
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: one little line. They wanted to do it all over again.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I said, it's not going to happen. And I got
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: them their permit instantly. And they built a plant. It's massive.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: So when you're saying that there's people that are making
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: money by making it difficult, are you talking about lawyers?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about environmental consultants and lawyers.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: And how do they profit?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: And they make the process worse.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: How do they profit off that?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And I'd probably do the same thing about them, to
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: be honest with you.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: As a businessman.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I want to be honest with you.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: How do they do that? How do they make it?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Let's say New York. They go to Albany. Okay. And
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: they convince people that if you have a certain type
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: of plant on the ground that's this big and, in theory, valueless,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that it's a rare plant and you cannot even touch it.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: You can't go near it. You can't put a building
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: on it. You can't do anything. Or there's a little puddle,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: and they call it a lake. And you have to
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: go by the standards of a lake. I said, no, no,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: that's a puddle. Oh, you have no idea. Guys are
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: filling little puddles. You have no idea what they do.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: And they use it as a way to stop you.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: They use it as a way to stop you and
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: also as a way to generate money. I'm curious how
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: they're generating money that way, though.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Well, they get fees.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: They get fees.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Massive fees.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: And people rely on them as experts because they're the
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: people that they go to when they have to run
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: these studies in the first place.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: But some of them are just bad guys. And they're
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: trying to make it more and more difficult.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: And they have a lot of power. Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I think they maybe had more. They didn't have as
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: much with me because I would get through them. And
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I understood it. Look, I've done so many– they call
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: it environmental impact study. I did so much to build
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: a building. To build a building in New York is
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: very tough. You've got to be very– you've got to
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: deal with– think of it. Financing, unions, all the municipal stuff, environmental.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Of all of it, to me, the toughest thing was
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: the environmental because they could stop you cold with the
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: environmental impact study stuff. And you hire a so-called expert.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: They say, sir, he's the one guy who can get
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: you through the morass.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: It's a morass.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: It's horrible. They use it as a weapon. They use
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: it all over the country.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Right, but there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact, correct?
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: There are.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Look about the BP oil spill. There's a lot of
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: things that do happen that are environmentally devastating. And you
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: want to mitigate that as much as possible.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: You do. Look, during our four years, we had the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: cleanest air and the cleanest water. I view it differently.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I say air and water. Remember this. It costs much
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: more to do things environmentally clean. China doesn't do anything.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: When Kerry goes to see President Xi at China, which
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: he probably doesn't even get to see him, but they
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: look at him, oh yes, yes, we will do, oh yes, yes,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do that, no more coal, no more coal, just,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: and then they approve 58 coal plants for the next,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: you know, every, they build a coal plant a week, okay?
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: They build a lot of coal plants.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: But let me just tell you though, so here we
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: are cleaning and scrubbing everything and everything's gotta, and the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: air's gotta be pure, but in 3.8 days, That stuff
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: floating over China is right over the top of us.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Same thing with the oceans. They dump their garbage into
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean. If you take a little cork and
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: put it there, in about a week and a half,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: it'll be in front of Los Angeles. We're picking up
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: their garbage. So nobody ever talks about that. But in
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: a way, the bigger one is even the air. It's
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: the currents. It's an amazing thing. It's been... Flowing that
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: way for a million years or long before.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: We share air with the whole world.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: No.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: We get the Sahara dust clouds over here.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: But we get the China, you know, they call it
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the China curse. We get the China curse. They're bad
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and their air is dirty. You know, when I went there,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I had a great relationship with President Xi. We got
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: along very well. And they treated me better than anybody's
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: ever been treated. Same thing with Saudi Arabia, a number
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: of them. But they laid it out. And I said,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: this air is good. Do you know they closed every
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: factory one week before I got there from within 200 miles.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: to San Francisco. He cleaned it up. He got rid
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: of all the homeless people.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Isn't that terrible in a way to think, you know?
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: He cleaned it up and then it became a pigsty.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: how about just keep your fucking house clean?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say ever
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: as a governor as to excuse to why you finally
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: cleaned up your homeless problem.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: And the day he left.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Right back to it.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: It went right back.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: But in a way, that was a bad thing that
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: he did because he showed what a disgrace that was.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: What a disgrace.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing that like shows you how
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: foolish a lot of these people that are running these
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: cities think. A lot of these people that are running
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: these states think. It's foolish. Like you– You're insulting the
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: intelligence of the people that live in that city that
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: are impacted by these people just camping and needles and
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: human feces. There's an app that you can buy. There's
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: an app that you can get, rather, that will show
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: It's a poo app. And it's just everywhere. It's just
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: bum crap everywhere.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: But let me give you one that you may not know,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: which I think you know everything, actually. as a student
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: of yours, but water. You know, in Los Angeles, you
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: can't get proper amounts of water. And it's unbelievably expensive.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: And you might have a house in Beverly Hills, and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: they're actually thinking about rationing water, can you believe it?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: And I was in the farm court country with some
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: of the congressmen, we're driving up a highway, and I say,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: how come all this land is so barren? It's farmland
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: and it looked terrible. It was just brown and bad.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I said, but there's always that little corner that's so
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: green and beautiful. They said, we have no water. I said,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: do you have a drought? No, we don't have a drought.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I said, why don't you have no water? Because the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: water isn't allowed to flow down. It's got a natural
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: flow from Canada all the way up north. More water
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: than they could ever use. And in order to protect
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: a tiny little fish, the water up north, gets routed
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: into the Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: water gets poured. You get to see this. We're driving up,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: and I had never seen it before. It's the most,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: it's like Iowa. It's the most fertile land. Iowa's blessed
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: with great land. Idaho for a potato, right? But these,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: they're just, by the way, you know, some land is
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: good for a potato, some land is good for corn.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: It's the craziest thing. I love the farmers. They're great.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: They're the greatest. And by the way, they're getting killed
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: They're getting killed because of this stupid administration. But so
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I see this, and I said, you've got to be kidding.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I said, you mean you have water? And I looked
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: at it. It's like a valve in your sink, except
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: it's massive. The thing's five times taller than your ceiling.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Did you know the center of California was a giant lake?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: They have so much water.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Did you ever see what it looked like before they
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: rerouted it?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: No, I never saw that, no.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: The center of California, like, what is it, 200 years ago?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The center
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: of California.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: So they dumped it into the Pacific.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Who knows what they did. But whatever foolishness that they
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: did led to the situation that they're in now.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Think of those dry forests that burned down all over.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: You know, the head of Austria.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Said, you know— Tulare Lake was one of the largest
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: freshwater lakes west of Mississippi. Show a photo of what
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: it looked like back then.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: That's a great system.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: So that's what it looked like. Look at that image.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Go to the one on the third from the right.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: That was an enormous lake in the middle of California.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Imagine that.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: That would be much more valuable property.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: How crazy is that? How crazy is that? That's what
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: it used to look like. And human beings screwed that up.
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  Speaker 1: No, they let it go into the Pacific and then
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: they did something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what they did. What did they do?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: How did it go missing? They said they drained it
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: in the 80s.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they drained it. 19? 1983.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. It went dry a handful of times. Oh,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: it went dry a handful of times. Well, you know,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: lakes do go dry, but that's a big one.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: But think of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big one to go dry.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: You could have all of the water you need. All
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: of that land would have more water. The whole thing
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: could be like that little patch. Literally, I'd say, I
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: was with Devin Noon as a congressman, and other congressmen
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: were going up. I was visiting that because... They asked
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: me to go up and visit their territory, and I did.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: But I kept saying, look at this land. It's beautiful,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: but it's so dry. And I thought they were going
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: through like a desert, like a drought. They said, no,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: we have water, but it gets real. So I looked
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: into it.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: What is the fish?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: And I got it done. I got it done. I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: could have water for all of that land, water for
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: your forests. You know, your forests are dry as a bone, okay?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dangerous.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: That water could be routed. You know, you could have everything.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Not only dangerous, billions of dollars a year they spend
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: on Forest fires. And, you know, there's a case with
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: the environment. They're not allowed to rake their forests because
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to touch it. When a tree falls down,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: after 18 months, it becomes very dry. It's like, you know,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: like real firewood. It's bad. You know, a tree that's up,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: these are all things I learned the hard way, the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: easy way. But when a tree is up, it sucks water.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: It's wet. I went to that. They had a couple
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: of horrible forest fires in California. And I went, I said,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: you know, you had a lot of trees standing. Yes,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: they were healthy trees, sir. I said, with this intense heat,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: you could see they were charred a little bit on
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: the bottom, but they were going to be all right
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water, right?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: But when they fall, they're like, you know, it's like
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: lighting a match. Yeah. And you've got to be able
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: to clean. They call it maintain your forest. So I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: was with the head of Austria. He said, you know,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: it's a shame. I see all those forest fires in California,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: and all they have to do is clean their forest,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: meaning rake it up. Get rid of the leaves. Get
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: rid of, you know, leaves that are sitting there for
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: five years.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: We'll certainly get rid of the dead fall.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: And get rid of the trees that have fallen. You know,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: or like so many things.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: By the way, I had it all done. Could you
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: really rake the whole forest, though? I don't think you
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: could rake the whole forest. I think you can get
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: rid of the dead fall, but raking all the leaves.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: You could certainly get rid of the dead, okay? Yeah,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I think that's the real issue is the dead fall.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: You know, environmentally, they don't want to do that. They said,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: you know, it's got to be nature and all this stuff.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: But in the meantime— This.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Is exactly right.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: But you could have. So it was the Department of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Commerce that needed the approvals, but Gavin Newsom had to
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: sign them. I got it all done. Nobody could believe it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: It was all done. I said, I got it. You
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: got so much water. All you have to do is sign.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: And that guy didn't want to sign.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Did he not want to sign because that would be
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: a political victory for you?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. You know, he used to say...
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: He's a great president. And we got along. We did.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: We actually got along at that point. But I think
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: somebody said, you just can't continue to call him a
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: great president. You know, they do say that. But we
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: had it all done. He didn't sign. And then we
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: got on to other things. And every time I go
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: to California, you have so much water. They don't know it.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, people living in Beverly Hills, they turn
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: off the water. Same thing with the electric. They want
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: to go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: every weekend, you know.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to buy an internal
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: combustion engine in California. Like within a month, they had
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas. Because
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: the grid couldn't handle it.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I will terminate the mandate immediately. That will be done,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I would say, in my first day, maybe two days because,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you about nuclear. One of the things
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: that when I've talked to people that have a real
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it's probably
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: And that the fears of nuclear power are really about
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: a few disasters, the Fukushima, Three Mile Island. These are
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: old systems and they're much more capable now and they're
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: capable of making even better systems. But it's a difficult
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: political issue because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: That's what everybody does. They have this connection. They have
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: the potential disaster.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Or Fukushima.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Or Fukushima.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Where you're not supposed to enter the land for 3,000
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: years or something.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's worse than that. I think that area
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: is going to be radioactive for probably longer than you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: could imagine. But the point is they're better at it now.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And that they could do it now and you can
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: generate power in a way that you don't have to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: worry about these. One of the most. ridiculous things is
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: electric cars being powered by coal-fired plants. It's a ridiculous thing.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: So it's happening.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is what's happening. And people want to think
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: they're being green, you know, but it's.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Well, you look at the way the battery is made.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: But here's the other thing. We don't have... Well, we do, actually.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: It's being held. You know, we have certain areas where
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: we have great raw earth material, and we're not allowed
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: to use it because of the environment. And we have
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: areas in California that have incredible raw earth material. And
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: they're not allowing, and I'm going to open it up.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to let them use it.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: But how do you do that? How do you do
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: that and protect the environment?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Because the environment is going to be protected. You can
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: do it. You can make a lake out of it. Okay,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: we'll put back a lake. I mean, something nice about lakes.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: You can do things magnificently.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: You just have to do it carefully and responsibly.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. You have to do it carefully. But the problem,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: you know, China has all of those areas, most of
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: those areas. And yet when they say go electric with
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: the cars— China is going to be the one that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: gives us the cars. All of those guys in Detroit
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: are going to be out of business. You're going to
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: make your electric cars over there. We have a thing
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: called gasoline, and we have more oil and gas under
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: our feet than any other nation. You know, I had
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: in Alaska, there's a find. It's called ANWR. I got
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: it approved. Reagan couldn't get it. Nobody could get it.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I got it all done. It was amazing. They were
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: getting ready to start drilling. The equivalent, they think, of
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest finds in the world.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: It was all set to go. And Biden comes in.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: One of his first orders were, we're not going to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: use it. It would have been so good. We could
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: have supplied all of Asia with oil and gas.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: What was the negative of it?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: And you talk about money. Right. The negative was politically
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: they didn't think it was good for them. That's all.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: That's all it was. So you don't think that it's
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: environmentally dangerous?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Taking it from way down deep in the earth, environmentally
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: it would have been fine.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: So it can be done responsibly?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, otherwise, let's not do it.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I think windmills, okay, so they talk about windmills.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I think windmills are really disruptive. When you talk about
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the environment, they kill the birds. You want to see
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: a bird cemetery? Go under a windmill someday that hasn't
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: been cleaned out With all the bird carcasses, it's like
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: massive amounts of birds.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Well, they're also a massive eyesore. I went to a
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: ranch in South Texas. We had a drive past this
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: enormous windmill farm, and it's gross. It's dystopian. You're looking
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: in the left and the right, and all you see
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: is these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: at generating electricity.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Most expensive form of electricity is a windmill, and then
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: they start to rust and rot. And then they get
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: abandoned by the people that built them.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to get rid of all that material, too.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: When you replace those blades, now you have a problem
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: because you have to dispose.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: You have to dispose these enormous windmills.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: By the way, they say you can't bury them. So
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I even question that, but I'm not going to get
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: into it. But they say you can't bury the blades.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: So you have the blades and you can't bury the blades.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: You can bury the blades. It's not going to matter.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: You'll find areas you can bury. But they come up.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: This is what I mean. They come up with this,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: but The environmentalist dream is windmills. You know what happens
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: to them? After five years, they start to rot. After
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: 10 years, you have to replace them. Did you ever
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: look at certain parts of California where they have heavy
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: windmills and they've been abandoned? And they're all different manufacturers
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: in all different companies. I haven't seen that. It is
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard almost, a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: graveyard of windmills.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: It's pollution.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: It's so bad.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: And in the oceans. It's no different than leaving garbage
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: on the ground.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: How about in New Jersey, off the coast of New Jersey,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: they want to build. The people are going crazy not
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: to build them. But we have them. The whales are
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: washing up on shore. So in 50 years, they had
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: one whale come ashore. Now they had like 18 come
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: in the last year.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: What is happening with the whales? I've read about this.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: it's a vibration because you have those. You know, those
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: things are 50-story buildings, some of them.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Right, and they're super sensitive to vibrations and sounds.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: You know, the wind is rushing. The things are blowing.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: It's a vibration, and it makes noise. You know what
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: it is? I want to be a whale psychiatrist. It
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: drives the whales freaking crazy. Yes. And something happens with them.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shore. And,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: you know, and yet the environmentalists.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Conveniently ignored by the environmental people.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the environmentalists, they don't talk about it. I
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: think there's nothing uglier. I see it in Scotland. I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: see it all over the world. You have this beautiful valley.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: It's been there for, you know, in civilization thousands of years,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: but millions of years. And all of a sudden you
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: have these ugly windmills up.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Would your plan to replace that with nuclear? What would
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: you do?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Well, nuclear is better. I mean, I think there's a
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: little danger to nuclear. But, you know, we had some
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: really bad nuclear. They did one in Alabama. They did
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: one in, I think, South Carolina. They do them wrong.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: They build these massive things. Then the environmentalists get in.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go into a long story because
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: it's too long for the show. This show is too
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: valuable to talk about concrete. But they have hardened concrete.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: It's number 12 concrete. It's harder than steel. It's incredible.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: They put up a wall and an inspector comes along
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: and goes, nope, nope, you're a quarter of an inch
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: too short. The wall might be eight feet wide. You're
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: a quarter of an inch too short. I'm sorry, you've
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: got to rip down the wall because it's got to
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: be poured contiguously, right? You're one quarter of an inch.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Rip down. You can't rip it down. This stuff,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: you can't put a hammer through it. You can't. It's incredible.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Concrete technology is unbelievable. You know what's happened. You think
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: of concrete.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: So you think that's an example of overregulation. Pointless overregulation.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Well, you have an inspector that comes along and he says,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: take down a $ 25 zillion wall. These things ended up
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: costing $ 25 billion. And one of them never got opened.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: But here's the story. So France does it. France is
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: largely nuclear, and they build small, little, compact plants. And
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: if they need more, they build the same thing, and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: they hook it up, and they hook it up, because
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: they get too big and too complex and too expensive.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: And it is very clean. They say it's absolute. You know,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: my uncle, I had a great uncle who was a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: great genius, just like other members of my family. But
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: he was a professor at MIT. for, I think, 41 years.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: He was the longest-serving. When I was in the White House,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: the head of MIT, Princeton, and Harvard came down to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: meet me. And the MIT person said, I have a
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: book on your uncle, Dr. John Trump. He was our
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: longest-serving professor. He was a great genius, sir. Do you
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: know how? And he knew everything about nuclear, from math
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: to chemistry to nuclear. He knew it. And he said,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: someday it's going to be the way to go, but
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: the problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: He said, Donald, someday, this was a long time, Uncle John, Dr.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: John Trump, he said, someday you'll have a little satchel
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: at your side and you'll go into a building and
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: you'll be able to blow up New York City. I said,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Uncle John, that'll never happen. He's right. You know, he's right. Well,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: that was part of the problem with.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Giving nuclear power to other countries, right? Like that was
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: It's nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: for us. We have a guy that doesn't make it
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: past 4 o'clock. And it's not because of age. I
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: know so many guys in their late 80s, and they're
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: better than them. I said to one guy the other day,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I think you're smarter than you were 25 years ago.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: I've known him a long time. He's 89 years old.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: He's sharp. I mean, he's great. Biden gives people a
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: bad name because that's not an old, that's not an age.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: I think they say it because I'm three or four
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: years younger. You know, I think that's why they say it.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: They say his age, it's not his age. He's got
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: a problem.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Two major brain surgeries.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: He did. Those are not good operations.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: And do you see what he did today? He went
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: running towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: And he said that's why he's headed out west. Like
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: he's off the reservation, so to speak. For lack of
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: a better term.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because during the debate, I was
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: looking over. I'm saying, hmm, this is strange. It's just
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: sort of like strange things were happening.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, he couldn't keep it together. But do you
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: think they knew he couldn't keep it together?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Do you think that they wanted– is that why like
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: historically that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I think they wanted to– well, there's a lot of theories.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of people said do the debate now and
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: we'll get him out.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I think that maybe could be.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Well, that is what happened.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: I think they also said do the debate now and
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: get it over with.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thought he was going to get out, really.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: That didn't make any sense.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: The debate got him out, but I think it's very unfair. Look,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: you have a bad debate. His numbers went down. But
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I think she's not doing very well right now, and
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: I think she looks.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I want to get to that, too, because it's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: hard to know. Like the whole poll thing is very
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: bizarre for most people because most people don't answer polls.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: So they read the polls. Well, you have a poll.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I've never been polled. If I did, I'd hang up.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: I was never called by a poll system.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: If I did, I wouldn't answer. I'm busy.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: You know how polls are done. Oh, I'm going to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: get myself in trouble. So I really don't believe too
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: much in them.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: use of polls.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Well, they were very ineffective because I thought I was
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: doing well. I'd go to a place and I'd have– 30,000, 40,000 people.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Hillary would go. They have 500 people. And they tell
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: me I'm going to lose. I said, why am I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: going to lose? I had 40,000 people. She had 200 people. But,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I have a theory. These pollsters, they charge
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: you a lot of money, too. You know, they charge
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: you half a million bucks to do some stupid poll,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: and they interview like 251 people. I don't think they
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: interview in many cases. I don't want to get myself
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: in too much trouble.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: You think it's bullshit?
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: No, I think they sit there. They make a deal.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: They get a half a million bucks, and they say,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Trump's leading 51 to 49. They announce it and everybody says, oh.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Do you understand? Yeah. I don't think they– I think
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: in a lot– look, I'm a very common sense person.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I think that they probably don't always poll. Some of
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: them probably never poll. What's the difference between 49 to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: 51 and 47 and a half.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population. I
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: don't think it's representative of the overall population. I just
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: don't think it is.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know of one person in my whole life
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: that ever got called by a pollster.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's my point. So here's my question.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing really well
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: in the polls now. So this week I happen to
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: believe in a verse. I only believe if they're good. No,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: I like them this month. But no, I honestly believe
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: that there's probably a lot of fraud. I had a poll,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Washington Post, ABC, in the Hillary thing on Wisconsin. They
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: had me down 17 points the day before the election.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: I knew it was wrong because I had a rally.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I had 29,000 people at a racetrack, and it was
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: like zero degrees, Wisconsin. And they had me down 17 points.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: In other words, you had no chance. And I won.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: And I called up my pollster, who's a good guy,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: good guy, and I believe he's legitimate. And some of
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: them are, and some of them aren't. I said... tell me,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: why did they have me down so much? I mean,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: nobody's going to believe them the next time. They said
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: they don't care. When you're down 17 points, people are
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: going to stay home. They're not going to vote. Because
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: they're going to say, I love Trump, but I'm not
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: going to waste my time. It's cold out. I said,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: but what do they make at four or five? He said,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: at four or five, they're going to go and vote.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: At 17, they're not going to go. So think of it.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: This is the Washington Post, ABC, Paul. I was down
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: 17 points in Wisconsin and I won. It's crooked stuff.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of crooked stuff. And I wanted to
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: talk about that, too, because one of the things that
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: people talk about with you is the denial of the results.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: And I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: other day when he was being interviewed and they asked him,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: did Trump lose the 2020 election? And he turned it
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: that a concerted effort?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Well, they say it made a 10-point difference, and I
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: lost by one-tenth of a point. They say it was 22,000 votes,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: but look, it was much more than that. And I
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: appreciate Jay Devin saying that. And by the way, I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: think he was a great pick. Do you like J.D.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: as a kid?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: I like him a lot.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: You're allowed to say that.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: No, I do. I like him a lot. I think
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: he's a brilliant guy. And I think his ability to
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: talk like a normal human being. You did my friend
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Theo Vaughn's podcast. And he just did it.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: How did he do it?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: He did great. He just talks like a normal human being.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Is that why you called me to do this?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: No, no. He was a nice guy. Once they shot you,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: I was like, he's got to come in here. It's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: all about timing. It's all about the timing.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Timing's good.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: I think timing's perfect. Do you even have a scar
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: on your ear? You got anything on there?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: What did we say?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: So, right over here.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: That's a tiny little mark.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: It zicked right there.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: It healed up pretty fucking good.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, it's little. It's not like
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: No, you didn't get cauliflower here. No, no.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: It was sort of like a top shot. The point
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: of the bullet was all over the ass. But you
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: see the. The things take it off a little bit,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: but it makes me a tougher guy. You know, the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: fighters love their— you know Bo Nickel? He's a great fighter.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Bo Nickel.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: How's he going to do? I think he's terrific.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: He's great. He's a fantastic fighter.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: He was almost, like, undefeated in college.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: mixed martial artists.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: When is he fighting again?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's going to be after the election? Yep. So
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed and I.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Won't bother going.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're having a fight right now.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: One of the things that was fascinating also was the
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: denial of the election results is a pretty common thing.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: president and she said that Russia put you in place.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Even though she conceded. Yes. You know, she conceded the
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: night of the election because she was beaten.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, and it was a thing that was pretty common
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: many of them, the Bush administration, the dangling chads, all
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: that stuff.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Well, look at these guys in Congress, all these sleazebags
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: in Congress that are Democrats. They're still denying 2016. But
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: now they don't so much because, you know, they try
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: and pin it on me. You don't hear them say it.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: But here's my point.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: But they denied it right up until the end.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: My point is— This idea of election fraud is a
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: forbidden topic and you get labeled an election denier. It's
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: the health consequences that people have had from the COVID-19 shots.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, you're an anti-vaxxer. If you say, and
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: it's not 0%. So if you ask me, what is
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: the amount of election fraud in this country? Is it
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: zero percent? No one thinks it's zero percent. I've never
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: met one person, not a super liberal, progressive, far left
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: person or a right wing conservative. Not one person thinks
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: it's zero percent. They think when you have human beings
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: and also you have a lot of weirdness that was
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail in ballots.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: And you had legislatures that had to approve and they
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: didn't approve and they went out and did it anyway.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: And you had ballot– you had old-fashioned ballot screwing. I
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: mean you had– you have people going up and dropping
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: There's certain people that think that they have– and the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: rhetoric is also that you're Hitler and that in order
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: That was OK, yeah.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is– I mean you're hearing this now.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Kamala compared you to– said your love of Hitler yesterday.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Kamala is a very low IQ person. She's a very
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: low IQ person. You know, I'm for taking tests too.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: I think anybody that runs for president should take, they
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: should give them tests. And it's not an age thing.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: It's not based. If you look back on history, 70s
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: and 80s, some of your greatest leaders in the world,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: world history, long time world history, they were in their
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: 70s and their 80s. But I think you should take
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: cognitive tests. I think everybody, they say it's unconstitutional. But
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I think Kamala should have a test because there's something missing.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: There's something wrong with her.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's pressure. I think the pressure and
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: the scrutiny, you've been a celebrity for a long time
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: and you understand what this is like. But for someone
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: who's in her late 40s, who becomes the vice president,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden the weight of the world is
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: on your shoulders and there's all these people paying attention.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: A lot of people clam up.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: But you either have it or you don't.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Look, this is an interview. We've covered a lot of territory, right? And,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: you know, it's fine. I don't care. I want to.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's much more interesting. She to do an
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: interview with Anderson Cooper, a softball, crazy softball interview. She
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: took two days off and she studied and studied all
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: day long and then she comes out with a result
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: that was a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: She couldn't answer a question. And every question's not answered.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Like what would you do your first day in office? Okay,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: I'll build a wall, I won't build a wall. There's
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: a hundred things you can say, just say anything, right?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: There's something off with her. Well, I also think— We're
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: dealing with the smartest people. They hate when I say— you know,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: when the press— when I called President Xi, they said, he
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: called President Xi brilliant. Well, he's a brilliant guy. He
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist. I mean,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: he's a brilliant guy, whether you like it or not.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: And they go crazy.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Right. It doesn't mean he's not evil or it doesn't
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: mean he's not dangerous. Yeah, of course not.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: But actually, we have evil people in our country.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: He can deal with all of it. I had a—
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: How would you have stopped it?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Automatic. Two things. I told him. I said, Vladimir, you're
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: not going in. I used to talk to him all
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: the time. You're not going in. I can't tell you
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: what I told him because I think it would be inappropriate.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: But someday he'll tell you. But he would have never
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: gone in. But you know why else he wouldn't have
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: gone in? Oil prices at $ 40 a barrel wouldn't have
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: allowed him, wouldn't have given him the money to prosecute
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: that war, wouldn't have given him the money. I said
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: it with President— I was with President Xi. I said
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: it was almost the same conversation. With Vladimir, it was Moscow.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: With President Xi, it was Beijing. It was almost the
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: exact same conversation. I said, don't do it. He would
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: have never done it. The day I left, they flew
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan— 28 bombers. And
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: it's the apple of his eye. And the same thing
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: with Russia. It's the apple— Ukraine is the apple of his— I
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: used to talk to him. I had a very good
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: relationship with him. He wouldn't have done it. He would
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: have never done it. But he also wouldn't have done
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: it because of the— you know, one of the reasons that
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: what happened is, number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: not even a little bit. And who the hell would?
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't respect him. But when he saw what
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled, number one,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: you take the soldiers out last, not first. Okay, that
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: was their big mistake. And we had that thing charted out,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: and they weren't obeying us. Abdul is the head of
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: the Taliban. Boom, boom, he had to do all these things.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Some he didn't do. I said, nope, you got to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: do them all. This guy took, he immediately took all,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: he left the equipment behind. 13 soldiers dead, but he
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: took everybody out. He took his soldiers out before. A
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: child would know. That's where Milley was so stupid. He
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: was such a stupid guy, Milley.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Those generals should have all been fired. The people that
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired. Then
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: they'd be writing books about him, how stupid he was
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: and bad he was. But you take your soldiers out last.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: I had a big rally, and I saw a child
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: in the front row about a year and a half ago,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: and I called the child up. I said, do you
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: mind if I borrow your child? Oh, yes, please. And
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: they came up. I gave him quick details. I said,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: we want to get out of this place, and we
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: have this, and we have this, and we have the equipment.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: I gave him a little thing. I said, do you
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: take your soldiers out first or last after everything's done?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: You take them out last, sir. A child would know that.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: We took our soldiers out first.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: What was your plan?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: And we left a bag room.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, we left billions of dollars worth
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: of equipment and military vehicles.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: That they use for parades now. The best equipment. You
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: have to embarrass us. The best equipment in the world.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: The Taliban parade where they've got tanks rolling down the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: The fact that we left. all that stuff there.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: We left the best equipment in the world behind.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: What would you have done differently?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: Well, number one, we would have taken it out. Just
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: so you go back a little bit further, I had
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: a couple of conversations with Abdul. And from the time
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: I had those conversations, because they were shooting our soldiers,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: you know, with the sniper stuff, They were shooting a
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: lot of them. They were shooting a lot with Obama,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: much less with me, but they were shooting them. And
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: I said, get this guy on the phone. The press
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: went nuts when they heard this. I had a great
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: conversation with him. It was a tough conversation. 18 months later,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: there wasn't one soldier that was ever shot at. And
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: even Biden admitted it in a moment of stupidity because
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't admit it. His people went nuts. He said, yeah, well,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: I will admit, no soldier. We didn't have a soldier
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: killed in 18 months in Obama. Afghanistan. Not one soldier
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: was killed because he understood what was going to happen
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: if that happened. I didn't have one soldier. Then when
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: I left, after having gotten more votes than any sitting
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: president in the history of the country and much more
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: votes than he got in 2016, when I left, they
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: started shooting our soldiers. But more importantly, what they did
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: is they did that whole thing with you know, leaving.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: He shouldn't have left, number one, should have left from Bagram,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: because Bagram's this massive base. It's got tremendous acreage around it, tremendous.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: It's a very big, it was built many years ago.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: And part of the reason you wouldn't have taken that
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: is because it goes to China. One hour from where
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: China makes its nuclear missiles, you should have never left Bagram,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: number one. They should have left from Bagram. They should
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: have left last. They should have gotten, you know, we
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: have Americans that are still there, They should have taken
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: all their equipment out. Every plane, every screw should have
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: been taken out, every tent. And I said that. That's
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: when I realized that Millie was a dummy. I said,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: we're leaving, but I want to get everything out. Sir,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: it's cheaper to leave it. I said, what do you mean?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: It's cheaper to leave it.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it's cheaper to leave it.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: Cheaper.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Cheaper. He said it's cheaper.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Not more dangerous.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: He just said cheaper. I said, I want every plane.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: I want every tank. I want the goggles. They have
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: night goggles. They have all this stuff that these guys
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: now have. He said, sir, it's cheaper to get out
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: and leave it. I said, so you think it's cheaper
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: to leave a $ 150 million brand new airplane in there
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: than it is to fly it out with a tank
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: fly it directly back? It's cheaper to leave. I said,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: this guy's nuts. I'm telling you, he was so stupid.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: And there were a number of them. But I defeated
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy who
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: was so great. I flew to Iraq and I met
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: And we knocked out, you know, I defeated 100% of
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: the ISIS caliphate. They said it would take five years.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: I did it in a matter of a few, literally
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: a few weeks. And we hit them hard. And he said, sir,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: we're going to hit them here. We're going to hit
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: them there. We're going to hit them here, there. And
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: I said, this guy's great. I like this guy. I
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: was told it would take five years. That's why I went.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: I said, how could it take five years? We have
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: brand new fighters. We have the best planes, the best weapons,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: the best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: take that long? And I flew to So I flew
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: and left at 3 o'clock in the morning. Nobody knew
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I was going. I got on Air Force One and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: we started flying. And when we reached about half an
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you'll have to turn off all your lights. Why?
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: We're getting close to our site. I said, you mean
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: we spent $ 8 trillion that we can't leave the lights?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Think of this. 20 years, $ 8 trillion, and we can't
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: leave the lights on in a plane. I said, that's okay.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Turn the lights on. I'm not going to fight them.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: This is because it's too dangerous?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, too dangerous because they see the light up in
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: the air. They'll shoot at it. They'll shoot at it, yeah.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: So I said, turn the lights on. Then they said, sir,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: we're going to also pull your shades if that's okay.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: I said, that's okay. The plane was pitch black. All
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: the lights outside, you know, the blinking, the blinking reds,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: they were all turned off. And I like to sit
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: with pilots a lot of times. And these guys are specimens.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: I always say, they're better looking than Tom Cruise. Okay?
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: And they're even taller. Like perfect specimens. These guys, like
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: for a fighter, you know, you have some guys that
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: are perfect specimens. And, you know, they pick the best
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: pilots in the Air Force, United States Air Force, to
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: fly Air Force One. And I get up there and...
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting, and I'm feeling my way up. You know,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: it's up high because it's 747, so you go through
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: the stairs, but I sort of knew my way up.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: There wasn't a light in the plane. I'm saying, can
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: you imagine? We spent trillions of dollars, and we're trying
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: to fly in blind, but I got into the plane.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: The cockpit is dark black, little tiny light. You could
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: see the pilot, a perfect-looking human being. His co-pilot, everybody
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: was perfect. They were all like movie stars. You know,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: it's like I could have cast a movie with these
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: guys and nobody would believe it because they were too
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: good looking. So I said, how are we doing, Captain? Sir,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: we'll be landing in 10 minutes. And I look outside.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: There's not a light. And I'm saying, you know, I've
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: landed a lot of planes. And you see like little
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: lights at least. There's nothing. It's just pure desert. And
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: I said, okay, Captain, good. But I'm looking. You've been
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: to many planes where it has the computer sign saying 1,000 feet, 90.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: Goes 1,900, 800. It's a computer voice, but it sounds
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: like it, but it's an incredible voice.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: 700.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: I said, Captain, are we okay? I'm looking. Are we okay, Captain?
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: There's no lights. And I'm looking. You know, normally when
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: you land a plane, because I sit with Pulse a lot.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's great. I think it's a great profession, everything.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: They're incredible. These machines are incredible. He said, sir, we're fine.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: No problem, sir. I said, you know, I'm glad. I
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: don't see the lights up there, Captain. Sure, we're okay,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: You know, probably with exaggerating, they'll tell the story. They'll say,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Trump was a coward. So I'm sitting with him. He goes, 500.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, there wasn't a light on the runway. Nothing.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: And we're going in. You okay, Captain? Everything good? Yes, sir.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: No problem. We'll be down in about one minute, sir.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Joe, you know, there's always a lot.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: There's not a little pin. And all of a sudden,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: and you hear, blah, blah, perfect landing like glass. That's
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: how good, I mean, these guys, between the equipment and the,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: it's genius. It's pure. It was so dark, you couldn't
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: see a thing. There was no runway. You wouldn't know
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: where the hell you are. You're in the middle of
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: a desert. And then I got out of the plane.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: I said, thank you, Captain. It's a great job. And
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: then I get out of the plane and I'm going
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: down and I see a general and another general And
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: I see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant, and the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: various guys, all central casting. Central casting. They said, sir,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: would you like to rest? I said, I don't want
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: to rest. I want to figure out what the hell
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: are we doing with ISIS. I'm hearing it's going to
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: take years. No, sir, we can do it very quickly, sir.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: And anyway, we go into the room. I mean, Biden
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: would have taken a nap for four days and then
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: left without a meeting. So we go into the room,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: and they have these guys. I say, how long can
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: you do it? How long? We can do it in
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, sir. I said, wait a minute,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: they told me five years. We can do it in,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know, he gave me a number, like, just
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: like in no time. I said, why haven't you done it?
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Because the orders came in from Washington, sir, and they
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: would come here and tell us what to do. Don't
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: you challenge us? I said, We're not allowed to do that, sir.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: That's not the military way. They tell us what to do,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: and we have to respect them.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: So do you think that it was incompetence why they
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: didn't go after ISIS?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's a bad system. You know, when Mattis
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: goes there or when Milley goes there, who's stupid, and
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: and the guys that are smart are saying, we don't
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: like what they're doing, but they're not allowed to sort
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: of counteract. Plus, the guys that went there are arrogant.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: You know, they're arrogant fools. They're like stupid fools. the
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: way they pulled out of, you know, the way they,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: with the people falling off the planes. It was so,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: it was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters falling. It
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: was so bad. There was no reason for it. Anyway,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: so we knocked them out. And I mean, we have
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: great military. We have great people, but not the television guys.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: And I rebuilt the military and then they gave a
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: chunk of it. I have to tell you, as much
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: as it is, It's a tiny little piece, believe it
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: or not. We have an unbelievable— I rebuilt the military. I
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: rebuilt our nuclear. And in a way, I hated to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: redo it, but I got to realize how powerful that
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: nuclear is, Joe. One bomb— Israel is gone, but forget. One
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: bomb could take out the entire East Coast. It's so bad.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: And I watch these poor fools talking about Our oceans
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: will rise one eighth of an inch over the next
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: 500 years. I mean, we have people, we have countries,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: right now you have five countries, and don't underestimate North, Korea.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: If you take a look at North Korea, I was there.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was with Kim Jong-un. I had a
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: great relationship. I got along great with him. You know,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: the press says, he got along good. That's a good thing.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: It's not a bad thing. It's a great thing. Obama
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: thought we were going to go to war with North Korea.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: When I met with Obama just prior to the takeover,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: you know, you meet, you have sort of a ceremonial meeting.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: But it lasted a long time, a lot longer than
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: it was supposed to last. I said, what's the biggest problem?
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: He said, North Korea. By the time I finished, I was,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: we had no problem with North Korea. We were really,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: it was a little tough at the beginning, remember? He said,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: I have a red button on my desk. I said,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: I have a red button also, but mine's bigger than
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: yours and mine works.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: I liked how you called him Little Rocket Man.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, Little Rocket, I said, Little Rocket Man,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: you're going to burn in hell. And it was a rough, Yeah. Oh,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: so rough that people were worried. This is crazy. And
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: then one day I got a call, sort of like
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: a fight. I got a call. You know, you ever
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: see that pounding? Then all of a sudden, but I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: got a call. And it was from him, meaning his people.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: They wanted to meet. They wouldn't meet Obama. He tried
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: to meet. They wouldn't even talk to him about it.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: And I think he expected to go to war. I
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: actually do. I believe he expected to go. And we
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: checked their nuclear stockpile. It is substantial. I said, do
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: you do anything? I got to know him very well.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: I got to know him better than anybody. Anybody. And
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: I said, do you ever do anything else? Why don't
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: you go take it easy and relax? Go to the beach.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: You have a beautiful beach, nice beachfront property. You know, kiddingly.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: I said, you're always building nuclear. Just relax. You don't
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: have to do it. Let's build some condos on your shoreline.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: They actually have gorgeous stuff. And he said... I just
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: have to do it because I need it for my safety, etc.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: I got to know him very well. We had no
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: problem with him. If you have a smart problem, if
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: you have a smart, really the right president, a smart president,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: you're not going to have a problem. And I say
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: it to people. We have a bigger problem, in my opinion,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: with the enemy from within. And it drives them crazy
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: when I use that term. But we have an enemy
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: from within. We have people that are really bad people
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: that I really think want to make this country unsuccessful.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: When you look at what's happening at our border, Joe,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: when you have people coming in that when other countries
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: are allowed to empty their prisons into our country with murderers,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: we had 13,099 murderers dropped in our country over the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: last three years.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: And 15,000 rapists convicted.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Rapists.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Drug dealers. Drug lords.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: And that's just the ones that have been accounted for.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Correct. People from mental institutions.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: What do you think this strategy is?
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of major criminals, tougher and worse than
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: anybody we have.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: We're seeing the consequences of it in San Antonio. They've
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: taken over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado. They've taken over
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: apartment buildings, these Venezuelan gangs.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: Just the beginning.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: What do you think the strategy is? You know, one
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: of the things that they've said is that you stopped
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: a bill from being passed. But didn't that bill also
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: include amnesty for the people that are already here?
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is years after the fact. The damage was
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: already done.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: But what was the bill? Well, the bill was nothing.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: It allowed two million people in. They were going to
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: get amnesty. It was a horrible bill. It didn't protect
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: us at all.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: But we should just tell people what the strategy is.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: So one of the things that's been very clear is
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: are coming across the border illegally. They've moved them to
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: swing states. This is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio, right?
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: They're in swing states. Well, that's not a swing state.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to win Ohio by a lot. So that's
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: not a swing. But it's called Springfield, Ohio, to be exact. Springfield, Ohio.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: had 32,000 migrants that don't speak the language dropped into
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: their community. You can't get into a hospital. You can't
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: get into a school. It's gone from a beautiful little
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: place to a horror show. And the mayor is a
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: nice guy. And the mayor says, we're looking for interpreters.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: I said, no, you've got to remove them and bring
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: them back to their country. mostly Haitians in this case,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: but they speak no language. They speak no English.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: No English, man.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: In fact, even the language they do speak, I mean,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: they can't get interpreters. They can't do anything. And the
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: mayor's trying to be politically correct. They're all trying to be.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: In Aurora, Colorado, you have the worst, probably the worst gang.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: MS-13 might even be, you know, those two are the
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: worst gangs. These are Venezuela gangs. They have taken over
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: apartment complexes, and they're going to want to take over
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: the whole thing And you have a weak governor, a
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: pathetic governor, who's a radical left Democrat. He doesn't know
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: what the hell to do. But you have it in
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: many other communities, but they don't like to talk about
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: it because it's bad for the community to talk about it.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: These people have been let in here by this imbecile.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: I mean it. She's a low IQ person. Low IQ.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: Right, but also it's obviously not just her. There's a
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: strategy that's involved in letting.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: These people in. Well, she was in charge of the border.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: Well, she's in charge of the border, but they also
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: utilize that app, the app that used to be used.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: It used to be used, I think, essentially, wasn't it
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: for shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this country?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: It was used for shipping, and now it's used to
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: deal with the cartels. The cartel, heads of the cartel,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: rich people, by the way. These are loaded. These people
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: have so much money. They would call up. Think of this.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: They call up the app, and the app tells them
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: where they should take their load of illegal migrants from
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: the Congo. You know, we have a lot from the Congo,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: prisons in the Congo. I made a little bit of
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: a sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White, who you love,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: who I love. I assume you love him.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: I love that dude.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: I think he's in a class by him.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: He's probably the reason why you're here.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: He's one of the big ones.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: He is the greatest guy. You know, I always say,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: nobody's indispensable. You know, everybody can be replaced. Maybe you
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: can't be. You might not be. But Dana White truly,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, he sold it for $ 4 billion.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: I said, what the hell? Who the hell is going
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: to pay $ 4 billion? They made like a great deal.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: Because of him. Take him out.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's a whole different movie.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: No, he's the best promoter of all time.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: He's also the greatest guy. He spoke at the whole
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: thing with, you know, I had just been shot and
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: he got up and he spoke so better than anybody.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, who would be better to introduce you? I
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: asked of all the people. I know the biggest people
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: in the world and they all would have loved to
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: have done it. I said, Dana, would you do it?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting. He was away. And he
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: said to the people that, you know, one of my
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: guys called and said, I won't be able to do it. Gee,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: I just left with my wife and family. I said,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: he said, no, yeah. I was a little surprised, even
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: though I knew he was very far away. He was
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: in some place, you know, and he deserved it with
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: his family, you know, and all that. And then I said,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: all right, let's enter. So we'll look at who we're
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: going to get. And all of a sudden she comes in.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: Sir Dana White just said he's going to do it.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: And he's coming back in tonight. He's taking it. You know,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: the guy is just an incredible guy. And he's like
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: a tough champion. But loyal, yeah. He's gotta be one
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: of your favorite people. He's one of my favorite people.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: I've been friends with him for 23 years. I love
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: him to death.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: So would you have, because what you're doing here is incredible.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody tells me, all I know is today
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: I'm going, you know, you're on Joe Rogan today. People
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: are telling me, like, I say, how the hell do
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: you know that? But it's sort of, what you've done
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: here is amazing. Where would you be if you didn't
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: do the UFC stuff? Would you have this show, do
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would still be doing it, for sure. Yeah.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: Would it be at the same level? I don't know.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: But you would have the show.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: It's hard to know. I think one of the things
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: that works for this show, I guess, is that I'm
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: involved in so many different things. You know, stand-up comedy, UFC,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: and all the interests that I have that lead to
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: the podcast.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Will you always want to do UFC? First of all,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: you love UFC.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: I love it, yeah.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: You love the fights. I mean, I watch you. You
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: are loving it. They could pay you nothing.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: They didn't pay me anything for the first, like, 13 shows.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: And I became friends with Dana. And my position was,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: you're going to give me the best seat in the house.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: I get to sit cage side for the fights. I'll
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: do it. And I wanted to help. I was like,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: I think these are the guys that we had always
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: hoped for. In the early days of the sport, I
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: started working for the company in 1997. I was the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: before the UFC was purchased by Zufo, which Dana worked for.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: So I was a part of the previous owners. And
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: I only did it for a couple of years. It
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: was just too much and I was losing money. And
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: it was banned from cable because of Budweiser and John McCain.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: And you could only get it on DirecTV.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: And then I came along and I gave him the sites.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: You did. And he loves you for that.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: And he never forgot it.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: He loves you for that. He talks about it all
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Just to interrupt you for one second. So they couldn't
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: get a site because it was too dangerous and everybody
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: was against it and they couldn't get licensed. And I
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: gave them the first two or three sites. And they
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: were great. And by the way, I went to the
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: first fight. I said, I never saw anything like this.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: It was crazy. It was so good. Take the best
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: fight you've ever seen. It was like that fight, right?
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: It was so good that I gave it to him
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: again and again. And all of a sudden it caught on.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: But you know, when I wasn't in Vogue, you know,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: I've had time. You probably never had a time, but
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: I had times when I wasn't exactly in Vogue. Dana,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: they called him. He said, he's the greatest guy. There's
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: nobody like him. He said, I'll never say anything bad
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: about that guy because when I knew... it, because they
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: were having a hard time at the beginning. They almost
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: pulled the plug a couple of times, right? He said,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: else gave us and nobody wanted anything to do. And
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: he said, I will never. And there was a time
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: where it would have been very popular for him to
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: say bad stuff about me. He said the greatest stuff
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: about me. He said, you're going to try and get
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: me to say bad stuff about Trump? I'm never doing it.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: No, he's a very, very, very loyal guy. Very unusual guy.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: He's a fantastic guy.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: A perfect guy to be at the helm of something
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: so controversial as the UFC.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Less controversial now.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: Well, now it's huge.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Well, this was always the thing that I would hope
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: that it would be. I always knew that it was
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've had this
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: like other people who just think it's too violent.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Can boxing make it?
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Boxing is still a great sport. I love boxing.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: But it seems to be so unimportant now by comparison
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: to UFC, don't you think?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: I think– well, Dana is working with the Kingdom of
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia. They're going to start promoting boxing now. And
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: could return because– The thing is they want to make
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: fights that maybe promoters don't want to make because they
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: want to protect their fighter, controversial fights where it's dangerous.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: You don't know this guy could lose. And so the Saudis,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: they're smart. They just offer a tremendous amount of money,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: and they're putting together fights that no one else can
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: put together. They're doing that in boxing.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: If Dana's involved, he'll probably make it good. You know
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: the amazing thing, though, in fighting? No UFC fighter, they say,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: has ever died. And it looks to be much more
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: violent than boxing. Many boxers have died. Isn't it interesting?
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: And Dana tells me because they take so many shots
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: to the face.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: Yes. And there's also no other options to preserve yourself,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: to protect yourself. So if you get hit in a
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: UFC fight, you can clinch. You can try to take
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: the fight to the ground.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: You get options.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Also, you don't get allowed to get knocked down and
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: then get back up. When you get knocked down, you're concussed.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: And generally, if a guy's really hurt, they can be
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: finished on the ground and the fight's over. If it's boxing...
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: You have 10 seconds to get up. You get up,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: your head kind of clears, but you're still in real
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: bad trouble, and you can kind of run away and
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: survive until the bell rings. They're only three-minute rounds, and
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: then you start again. So you're getting repeated punishment to
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: the head. And then there's also the issue of guys'
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: weight cutting, which is a problem with the UFC as well.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: But weight cutting in boxing has led to, if you
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: in the heavyweight division. Most of the deaths in boxing
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: are the lighter weight divisions because when guys dehydrate themselves
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: last thing that gets rehydrated. Like it's very difficult to
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: completely rehydrate your brain quickly. And you only have 24
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: hours between the weigh-in and the fight. And it used
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: to be the weigh-ins were the day of the fight.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: Like when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Ducku
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: of the last ones on television that we've seen.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking. And
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: it led to a bunch of different changes. One of
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: them is day before weigh-ins to allow people to rehydrate better.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: And the other one is they dropped it from 15
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: rounds down to 12.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Which, look, they should do that again. You know, I'm
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: not the fighter, so. But those 15-round fights were unbelievable.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: They were unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah, you go back to the
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: golden age.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of entertainment.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Those were the championship rounds. Those were the greatest fights ever.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: Those last three rounds were crazy.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: That was brutal.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a war of attrition. You know,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of people think even like a five-round UFC fight.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: UFC is five-minute rounds. It's so much energy you're burning out.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: And those last couple of rounds, those five-round fights, the
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: fourth and the fifth round, unbelievably brutal.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Who's the greatest UFC fighter, are you allowed to say,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: in your opinion? It's tough for you to say because
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: you do this, but who do you think is the
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: greatest of the fighters?
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: all time. You know, John Jones, most people would say
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: is the greatest of all time, never lost. There's certainly
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: a really good argument for that. There's another argument for
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Georges St-Pierre, I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Anderson Silva in his prime, you know, Mighty Mouse. People
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: forget about Mighty Mouse because, unfortunately, he's a smaller guy.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: He's 125 pounds, flyweight champion. He's one of the greatest
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen. I think
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: to this day. And Khabib. Khabib is fantastic. But if
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: you looked at accomplishments in terms of championship fights, Khabib
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: retired 29-0, but he didn't have as many world championship fights.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: And probably never lost a round.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: He might have lost to Gleason Tebow. He might have
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: lost to him.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: A round.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: He might have lost a round. And that was a
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: controversial fight where people think that Gleason Tebow could have
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: even got the decision in that fight. I'd have to
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: go back and watch it again to make a decision.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: They're great athletes.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, the best athletes in the world. And the most
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: dangerous sport in terms of like– I always call it
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences. That's what fighting is.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget. So there was a fighter named James Tonic.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I love James Toney.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: He fought as a very light fighter, and he ended
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: up as a heavyweight. This guy went through everything. He
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: was almost like a lightweight.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: And beat Evander Holyfield as a heavyweight.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: And he was a real fighter. Oh, yeah. So James Toney,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: and I think it was St. George. George St.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Pierre? St.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: Pierre. I think it was him. Who did he fight?
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: James Toney.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: No, James Toney didn't fight George St. Pierre.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: He fought a UFC fighter.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy Couture fought James Toney. But that was like
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: an easy fight. That was a very easy fight. Randy
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: Couture just took him down and strangled him.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: And he's half the size. And he just, once he
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: got to the ankles, in fact, the announcer said, it's over.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he ankle picked him, took him down, mounted him,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: strangled him.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: It was pretty quick. But he was talking big because
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: he was much bigger.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: He was a pretty big guy. I think James just
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: wanted to make some money. You think so? Yeah.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: But I never forgot it. It was over very quickly.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: He was lying sleeping on the mat and he was talking.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: He was doing the Muhammad Ali stuff, but it didn't
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: work out.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: He sold the fight.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Couture probably.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Couture. George never fought a boxer in
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: an MMA fight. If he did, he would kill them.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Was he one of the greatest?
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, unquestionably. The argument, there's like a handful of guys
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: you can make the argument as the greatest of all time.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: People forget about Anderson Silva. In his prime, he was unstoppable. It's,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: but that's the thing is, and then there's Fedor Emelianenko
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: who fought in pride in his prime. He was unstoppable.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: There's this- And you have a couple now that are
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: pretty good. Oh, we've got so many now. Alex Pereira. Correct.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: There's an argument that he's the top pound for pound
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: fighter in the world right now.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: He's looking very good, yeah.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: He's unbelievable. But it's like fighters can only compete at
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: that level for so many years. And so my opinion,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: you have to judge them at their very peak. You
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: You can't judge them when they're coming up. You got
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: to judge them in that championship- peak. And that championship peak,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: there's a handful of guys that you would consider at
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: the very top.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: If they stopped a little bit sooner, some of them
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: would have had, you know, I mean, there are a
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: couple of that you just mentioned without mentioning names. If
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: they stopped, they had the perfect, they were unbelievable. And
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: then at a certain age, they start getting knocked out, right? Yes.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: It's unfortunate. But the thing is that same belief in
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: that they can do it long past the time that
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: they actually can.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Well, Anderson Silver was essentially unbeatable. And then he lost
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: to Klaus Weidman and then all of a sudden he
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: had to.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: No, he got knocked out. He got knocked out by
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: Chris Weidman. He was kind of clowning in that fight, famously.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: And Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: And then they fought a second time and he broke
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: his leg on Chris Weidman. And after that fight, he
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: was kind of never the same. Because that leg break injury,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters that
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: Weidman actually wound up having the same injury, ironically. There's
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: only been like.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Four of those. You're never the same because you can't kick.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: Never the same. Well, you can. Weidman is still kicking
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: with that leg. You can. But psychologically, when you throw
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: in agony for a year, right? You have to get surgery.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: You have to get bolts and plates to keep your
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: leg together. And then it takes forever for it to heal.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: It always amazes me how the kicker, I mean, you
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: have those cases, but the kicker will do tremendous damage
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: to somebody's leg. But their leg doesn't seem to get damaged.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Isn't it sort of amazing?
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: It does get damaged. It hurts. More than you think. Yeah,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: but your shin gets very numb after a while. And
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: and they're kicking the calf. They're kicking soft areas. And
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: they're slamming this hard, numb shin. Their shin gets all
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: these micro fractures all over the shin and it calcifies.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: These guys can kick baseball bats. You ever seen them
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: break baseball bats with their shins? It's crazy. Some guys
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: can do two baseball bats. Someone will hold the baseball
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: bat and they'll just kick right through them.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: I watch your enthusiasm now, right? Yeah. And it's like,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: that's why you're good at it. Nobody does this better.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: Without the enthusiasm, forget it.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it has to be authentic. I mean, the only
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: reason why I do MMA commentary is because I'm very
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: interested in it, for real. I don't have to manufacture it.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: I'm very interested.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: And you love going in there after the fight, and
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: they're sweating all over you. They're slopping all over you.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: They bleed on me. They're bleeding.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: Sometimes their nose is bleeding. Does that bother you a
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: little bit?
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: No. Like two weeks ago, I never saw it.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: Khalil Brownstreet, yeah.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: More stuff came out of his nose? Yes.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: It was pretty nasty. But no, I'm very used to it.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: I just wanted him to be able to express himself.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: You've done a great job.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: You've done a great job.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: So back to you and back to what are you–
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: first of all, I love this idea of you teaming
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: up with Robert Kennedy.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: And I love this Make America Healthy Again idea because
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: there are chemicals and ingredients in our food that are
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: There's pesticides and herbicides and there's a lot of shit
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of health consequences that people are
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: suffering from a lot of these things.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: I brought this chart for you because I had a
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: feeling you'd be asking me. Look at this chart. These
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: are healthier countries. Look where the United States is. I'm
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: going to send this to RFK Jr.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: So this is, well, something along the lines, I was
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: actually talking to RFK today, and he told me that
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: military because of their health.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: I could see it.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: A lot of it's obesity.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: So here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: Same chart.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see that?
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: USA.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: Jamie's the best.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: He's very good.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: He's the best.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: But look at that.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: Look at the USA. It's not good. And that's our food.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: That's our diet. That's that sedentary lifestyle. That's our diet.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: That's the chemicals we ingest. That's what that is.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: But RFK is going to be very, you know, I
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: think he's a great guy.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: I love the fact that you guys teamed up.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: And are you guys are you completely committed to have
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: him a part of your administration? Oh, I am.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: But the only thing I want to be a little
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: careful about with him is the environmental issues. Because, you know,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: he doesn't like oil. I love oil and gas.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: Just keep him out of that.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to sort of keep him out of
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I said, focus on health. You can
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: do whatever you want. But you've got to be a
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: little bit careful with the liquid gold, you know?
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: I understand. But listen, there's plenty of good work that
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: could be done if you focus on health.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: Here's the one that's my all-time favorite.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: See the arrow right here? That's what I left.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: work with him? Have there been people that are reaching?
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: To not work with who? RFK Jr. Yes. Yes, I
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: would imagine. Because financially, he.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: Can put a dent. I would say that, and, you know,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: I think in many ways they've done a good job.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: In many ways they've done a bad job. But I
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: would say that the big pharma wasn't thrilled when they
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: heard that, you know, I have a relationship. I've actually
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: always gotten along very well with him. I've known him
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: a long time. He's a different kind of a guy.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: He's a very smart, great guy. And he's very sincere
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: about this. I mean, he really is. You know, he
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: thinks we spend a fortune on pesticides and all this stuff.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: And then you end up with that chart is a
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: terrible chart. The one previous. It's such a bad chart
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: when you look at where we are compared to other
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: countries that don't spend 10 cents. So, you know, and
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: you save a lot of money. But, yeah, we I've
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: had some people that aren't exactly thrilled. You can imagine, right?
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: It's a good question, actually.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: Well, certainly if there have been some pharmaceutical drugs that
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: have been profiting off of, and then you have a
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: guy like RFK Jr. who spends an enormous amount of
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: time highlighting those things, you could say how they've been
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: very reluctant to have you support him.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: I would say that's an understatement.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So what do you do to stop that from
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: getting in the way?
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: Well, look. they've come up with some amazing things. I mean,
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel. I know you're against
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: certain vaccines. But like the polio vaccine, people had polio.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: It was like a disaster. And they came up, Dr. Salk,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: and he came up with a vaccine, and there's no polio. Now,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: very interesting, there hasn't been polio, but now in the
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: Gaza Strip, can you believe that? Have you heard that?
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: There's been a big strain of polio coming out in
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: Is it vaccine-derived polio? Because, you know, there's a strain
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: of polio that comes directly from the vaccine because, unfortunately, sometimes.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: When you vaccinate people for polio, you actually give them polio.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, all I can do is I sit down
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: and I listen to him and I'll give it a total.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: I would love him to be right. Because if he's right,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: it's a lot less expensive generally speaking.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: There's two things that people point to when they point
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: We're only one of two countries in the world that
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other one
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: is New Zealand, but they're more restrictive than we are.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: But those ads, when you hear like, You know, take
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: a certain drug.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: And then you hear all the consequences.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: And then you say, it causes cancer and baldness. We
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: don't like baldness.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: Suicidal ideation.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: And they said that and eyesight. And you can lose
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: your vision.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I actually asked one of these guys,
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: I would never take it. I mean, it causes things
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: that are so bad. They go through a whole list.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: I guess they save some liability. But, man, I said,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: does that affect the purchase? And they say it really does.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: When there's something you have and you read, and then
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: they go through the list of, Side effects. The potential
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: side effects. It's not even the potential side effects. I mean,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are just— I ask that question. People
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: hear that. When I hear it, I'm going to take
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: a piss. It says, may affect your vision, may cause blindness,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: may this— Yes.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I know you're aware of Cal and Casey Means, right?
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: this is a very important thing for people to understand,
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: is what a lot of these drugs do is they
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: act to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: metabolic health. But most of these problems that these people
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: on metabolic health. If people got healthier, they started eating
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: problems that people are having... would go away. And the
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people. And
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: this is a fear that a lot of people have.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: And the pesticides and things like that on the plants,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: what do you think of that?
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: difficult to scale to a point where you've got a
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: jack-in-the-box on every corner. If everybody wants food, and we
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: have food deserts, and we have places like Los Angeles
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: where no one's growing anything, and everything has to be
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: shipped in, It's very difficult to feed that many people.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: but it's very difficult to get food to these people.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: And then for a lot of these people in low-income areas,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: the only food that's available is cheap, unhealthy food. And
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: we could fix that. If we could send $ 175 billion
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: of the health problems that the United States has. And
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: I think it would help us as a nation overall.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: If you just put it out there that, hey, as
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort to
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: get people healthier. Just put it out there and people
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: start making better choices.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: Well, when you look at that chart.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: They just gave me that chart because they said you
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: may want to discuss this topic, which I know is
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: a big topic for you. And when I looked at
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: that chart and I looked at how unhealthy we are
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: as a nation, that's a pretty big thing.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: How are you so healthy? Is it golf?
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: No, it's genetics, I believe.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: Genetics is a big factor.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: I really am. I mean, my father was....
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it is a big factor for health. Some people
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: are just way more robust. But you do play golf
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: a lot, and that is exercise.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Both of my parents. For me, it's good.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: Fresh air.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: It really is. It's fresh air. You're outside. Even mentally,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: you're focused on that three-footer. For a couple of hours,
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: you're not. And I go quick. I play fast, real fast,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm in, I'm out. But, you know, it gives
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: me I was never one that could like run on
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: a treadmill. I just, and I can do it. You know,
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: when passing a physical, they asked me to run on
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: a treadmill and then they make it steeper and steeper
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: and steeper. And the doctor said it was at Walter Reed.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: They said, it's unbelievable. I could have got, I'm telling you,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: I felt I could have gone all day, but I said, doc,
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: I can do this all day long. I'm not, I
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: have no problem, but it's, It's just boring to me,
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: do you understand? It's just boring.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: Golf's exciting.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: But I did it for so long, they couldn't believe
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: it that I did it. And I never, you know,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: I don't do it. I don't really, you know, I
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: have friends that are running this stuff all day long.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: But I had no problem doing it. But it's really boring.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: So with golf or something, you know, or tennis or whatever. Golf,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: as you get older, there's something really good about it.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: And you have competition with your friends.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: Competition, concentration, focus.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: And it's a great handicap sport.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: And it's also a thing, I think, that cleans your mind.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: Because when you're looking at a shot, that's all you
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: can think of when you're executing.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: It gives you a couple of hours. You know, it's interesting.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: Like with tennis, if you're much better than somebody, you
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: can't really play with somebody. You know, it doesn't work.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: You can give them sort of the equivalent of strokes, right?
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: But it's not the same. With golf, you can play
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: with a lousy guy and give him a stroke a
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: hole or two strokes a hole or something. You know,
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: it's a good handicapping sport. But it gives me a
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: little exercise. But I haven't played in a long time.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: I won 32 club championships.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: Didn't you play right after you got shot?
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: No. What I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: Do you know Bryson?
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: The pro. He's a great player. And we played, it
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: was a certain thing that we played, I guess called
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: breaking 50 or something. 50 would play from a certain
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: tee and if you can break 50. And it got
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: tremendous ratings. Sort of like a crazy thing. He's a
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: great guy.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: But wasn't that like a couple of days after you
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: got shot?
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I know I haven't.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: That was one of the funniest things. You were on
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: the golf course.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: I think I did, yeah. Maybe I did. But I,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I view it very interestingly. I'm running for president.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: Of the United States. To me, it's such a big deal.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: It's so important.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: What's the biggest deal in the free world?
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: It's 100 times bigger than the Super Bowl, and it's
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: one person. Yeah. So you're down to two people, and
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: we start off at $ 9 billion, because you have $ 9 billion,
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: they say, in the world. Who knows what that number is?
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: But you get down to $ 315.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: Million.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: Sadly, we have no idea what we have in this country,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: but let's assume it's 325, 350. And you're down to
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: two people. It's the biggest thing in the world. And
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: when I heard she took off yesterday and she took
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: off the day before and she's going to take off
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken a day
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: off in 50 years. Six days. That's a long time.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: I haven't taken one day off. I don't want to
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: play golf. This is too exciting. Golf is great, but
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: this is too exciting. This is more exciting than anything
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: you can do.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: Also, it's the home stretch.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: It's the home stretch. Who would take a day off?
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: So we have 11 days left now. And think of it.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: So I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: No days off. And I make speeches oftentimes, you know,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: sometimes not, but I make speeches. And when you make
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: a speech, and my speeches last a long time because
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: of the weave, you know. I mean, I weave stories
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: into it. And if you don't, if you just read
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: a teleprompter, nobody's going to be very excited. You've got
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: to weave it out. But you always have to, as
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: you say, you always have to get right back to it. Otherwise,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: it's no good. But the weave is very, very important.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: Very few weavers around. But it's a big strain on your,
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of work. It's a lot
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: of work. You got to be careful with the voice.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: You can lose that voice. The voice wasn't designed. I
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: said today, so I made a big one last night.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: I was in Las Vegas. Big one the night before
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: in Arizona. Big one. I mean, they're all big. There's
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: never been anything like it in terms of crowd. Never
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: been close. Never been close. They say, he talks about,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: crowd says, you know what's very interesting? So we get
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: crowds that are, really big, and I say, you know,
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: I've never had a story, because I don't get good press.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've had a good story in years.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: I really don't. I swear, I don't think I, you
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: were talking about it a little bit with Oprah. Everybody
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: loved me. I don't think, I became president of the
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: United States. I did great the second time. I did
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: much better. I don't want to get you in any disputes,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: but I won that second election so easy. And not
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: just because.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: But let me get to that. I want to talk
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: to you about that.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I did that. And now I've
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: gotten the nomination again. And don't forget, to get these nominations,
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: you go against very smart people. Ron DeSantis was hot.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: Got to go through him. Nikki Haley was hot. Got
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: to go through her. Went through everybody. Record time, right?
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: Record time. I got three nominations in a row. Won
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: the first time. Did much better the second time. You know,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: I get. millions of votes more the second time, and
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: now I'm doing it a third time. And it's an
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: incredible thing. I never get a good story. I only
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: get bad press. Now, I will say this. It's a
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: lot easier if you're a Democrat. If I were a
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: Democrat— You'd get a lot of positive press. I would
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: get a lot of positive press.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's a creepy, corrupt business. And the media,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: to a large extent, acts as a propaganda arm for
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: It's not even believable.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's bizarre to watch. And, you know,
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: most young people, I think, are aware of it. I
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: think most boomers still, unfortunately, read the newspapers and believe
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: in CNN.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: But it's getting younger. Yes. Let me tell you, it's
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: getting— for us, for conservatives— And.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: You know, I consider myself a person. It's the Internet.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: It's because the Internet is giving people information that they're
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: not getting from anywhere else. And they like the very
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different things
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: they've done. They tried to pin on you. That's like.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: It's a clear distortion of what you actually said.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: The bloodbath hoax. Yeah. I was talking about the auto industry.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: It's a bloodbath because Japan and China are taking our auto.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: And I said, it's a bloodbath. They said, oh, he
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: used the word bloodbath.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: He said, if you don't win, it's going to be
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: a bloodbath.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: That's right. It's a terrible thing they do.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: But that's the problem with... Because they take things out
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: of context and ultimately what they do is they diminish
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: their own credibility because people don't want to listen to
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: them anymore because they see that they've done that and
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted. Their
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: intelligence is getting insulted. Well, look at the ratings.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: You know, shows like yours. So I have a son
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: who's very smart and tall, barren, right? And he knows
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: all about you. He knows about guys I never heard of.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: He said, Dad, you don't know how big they are.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: They're big. I said, who the hell is he? Like Ross.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: He said, daddy's a great guy. I mean, guys that
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: are doing it. It's a whole new world out there.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: It's a different world.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm on TikTok now.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: And I've done really well. No, but you know the crazy?
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the numbers? Billions, like billions of hits.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. I'm sure. TikTok's a wild application.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: And I've gone up 30 points. A Republican is always
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: down 30 with young people. I'm plus 30, and I'm
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: on TikTok.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: It's had a huge impact. Young people are rejecting a
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: lot of this woke bullshit. Young people are tired of
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: being yelled at and scolded. They're tired of these people
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: that they think are mentally ill telling them what the
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: moral standards of society should be today, and people are upset.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: There's a big difference now, but even in just a
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: couple of years, I was shaking hands with people. They're
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: young people.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: The rebels are Republicans now. They're like, you want to
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: be a rebel? You want to be punk rock? You
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: want to, like, buck the system? You're a conservative now.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: That's how crazy. And then the liberals are now pro-silencing criticism.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: They're pro-censorship online. They're talking about regulating free speech and
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: regulating the First Amendment. It's bananas to watch.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: Joe, they come after their political opponent.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: Well, they do.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: I got more guys— I always say, you know, I kid,
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: but I'm not kidding. I've been investigated more than Alphonse Capone.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: He was the meanest of them all. He'd kill you
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: in two seconds if he didn't like you, right? I've
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: been under investigation more than Alphonse Capone, only because it's
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: political opponent stuff. And I've won. I won the big
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: case in Florida. I'm winning the other stuff. You win.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: But you know what they did? They did something that's
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: only done in third world countries. They came after their
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: political opponent.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but they're now weaponizing it by
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: saying that that's what you're going to do once you
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: get in office.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: Isn't it great?
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: Ignoring what they're doing right now.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. I heard it. Somebody was defending me today.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: They said, no, that's what you're doing to him. They're going,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: he's going to put us in jail. He's going to
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: invest it.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: That's what you're doing.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: That's what you're doing to him. Yeah. A lot of
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: people say, will you do that? Will you do that
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: to him, to them if you win? You know, the
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: presidency has tremendous power. I could have put crooked Hillary
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: in jail.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: I respected that you didn't because what you said was
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: it would be bad for the country.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: No, I couldn't even imagine you have, first of all,
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: Secretary of State, but more importantly, the wife of the
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: president of the United States of America going into jail.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: And if you ever saw when I'd say something about her,
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: they'd all say, I didn't say it. I never said it.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: They say, lock her up, lock her up. And I'd
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: always go, take it easy. Just relax. We're going to
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: win this thing. Take it easy. Take it easy. And
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I kept it down. Just the opposite.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: Now they say, oh, Trump wanted to put her in jail.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: I saved her from going to jail. They had more
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: stuff on her. And Comey had it. Because when Comey
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: got up, and he stupidly, because he's a stupid guy too,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: he goes, he's a stupid son of a bitch. He
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: got up. Joe, he got up, and instead of saying
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: she's innocent of all charges, he went over each charge,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: and each charge was a killer. And he'd go, and
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: as far as her doing this, she's innocent. And this,
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: and then she's only an unfair prosecutor. But every time
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: you heard these charges, they sounded so bad. They were bad.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: And all it was is he wanted more airtime. If
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: he would have gone up and said, I've thoroughly investigated
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton and she's done nothing that we feel is wrong.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: It would have ended. Instead, he wanted to be up
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: there because he's a PR hound. He's a hog. And
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: he starts going through that. And you know what he had?
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: They had a huge problem because FBI is great. The
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: people there, not the top people, the people, the real people,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: the people that work there. It's like the real generals
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: that I told you about that defeated ISIS in record time.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: The FBI guys are great. I'll bet you I'd be
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: at 95 percent in the FBI.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: I bet that's right.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Underneath.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: And so here's the thing. So he goes with Hillary.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: And instead of just saying he goes through each charge.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: And even I was saying, man, those are bad charges.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: Sounds terrible because this is before I got those charges.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: Don't forget this before I got there. Right. Now, he
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: was trying to protect her. But he did her a
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: great disservice.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: Because he wanted attention.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: He was stupid.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: So I want to talk about 2020 because you said
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: over and over again that you were robbed in 2020.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: How do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: you off.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: Well, they not only cut you off. Well, what I'd
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: rather do is we'll do it another time. And I
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: would bring in papers that you would not believe. So
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: many different papers. That election was so crooked. It was
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: the most crooked election.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, but give me some examples of how.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: Well, let's start on the top and the easy ones.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: things they did, and they didn't get it. In many cases,
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: they didn't get it.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: What things?
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: Anything.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: Legislative approval of?
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: Like for extensions of the voting, for voting earlier, for this,
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: all different things. By law, they had to get legislative approvals.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: You don't have to go any further. than that. If
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen. They wouldn't give
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: weren't signed. They weren't originals. They were We could go
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: into this stuff. We could go into the ballots or
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: we could go into the overall. I'll give you another one.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: Are you going to present this ever? Let me just
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: give you one more before.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: Fifty-one intelligence agents come up that the laptop was from Russia.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: It turned out to be totally false.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: Fifty-one former intelligence agents, right?
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: They say that made— I don't believe it's this much, but
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to— I won by like, I lost
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: by like, I didn't lose, but they say I lost, Joe,
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: they say I lost by 22,000 votes. That's like one-tenth
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: of 1% less than that. It's a tiny little thing. 22,000
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: votes spread over, that spread over this period. So 51
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: intelligence agents lied. They lied. They lied. They knew it was.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: It was Hunter's. It was from his bed. It was
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: Hunter's laptop. They said it was created by Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: It was the Russia hoax. The Russia hoax was a
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: big hoax. It was all a big hoax.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: Well, that's clear. That's one example. But that is a
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: good example. But that's a big example.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: They say it made a 17-point difference. That's a big example.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: But that's only one. And you can go into the
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: ballots where they wouldn't give you access to the ballots.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: You could go into the ballot harvesting. You could go
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: into $ 500 million for the lockboxes.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: But just in terms of narrative, so there's two things, right?
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: There's the Russia hoax. There's the collusion with Russia that
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: was never proven, right? That's one.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: Well, no, it was proven it didn't happen.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: Right, right. But they talked about it on television.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: But it took two and a half years to prove.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: But not only that, but it was a constant narrative
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: on television. That's a constant narrative that gets into people's minds,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: especially low information people that are just watching the news,
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: that you're in collusion with Russia. So that's one. So
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: that changes the narrative. And then you have the 51
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: get them to remove links. You can't share it on DMs.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: You cannot share that story. They swept that story because
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: they said it was Russian disinformation, even though they knew
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: it was not. So that's two examples. that are real examples. Now,
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: anyone who considers himself a legitimate, objective observer of American politics,
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: if you really want the best person to win, you
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: would want people to not lie. And the only reason
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: why they got away with this lie was because they
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: They kept saying you're going to be a dictator, ignoring
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: years Were you actually the president?
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: I was actually the opposite of a dictator. I was
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: a very straight guy. But look, those three things, you
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: take those three things. Each one of them by themselves
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: causes the result to be different.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: And then you can go into a hundred other things.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: There are so many. We can't have corrupt elections and
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: we can't have open borders. You need to have a country.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: You need borders. You need fair elections. And I'll tell
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: you the other thing you need. Is you need a
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: free and fair press. One of the things I like
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: about doing a show like this, can you imagine Kamala
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: doing this show?
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: I could imagine her doing this show.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: She'd be laying on the floor.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: She was supposed to do it and she might still
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: do it and I hope she does.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: She's not going to do it.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: I will talk to her like a human being. I
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: would try to have a conversation with her.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: If she did this kind of an interview with you,
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: I hope she does because it would be a mess.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: She'd be laying on the floor comatose. You'd be saying,
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: call in the medics.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: I think we'd have a fine conversation. I think I'd
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: be able to talk to her. I wouldn't try to
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: interview her. I'd just try to have a conversation with
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: her and hopefully get to know her as a human being.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: That was my goal, having her on, trying to get
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: her to express herself just as a human being. I
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: don't know if these— I don't think these formats are good.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think that two people— first of all, I hate
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: idea of a time limitation on complex ideas. Also, you
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: have to break– I.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: Think you have to have the debates. Right.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: But the way they do the debates I think is
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: the wrong way to do it. I think they should
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: have a conversation. I think you and Kamala, you sit
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: across the table with no one in the room but
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: the two of you. Of course you're not going to
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: shout at each other. Of course you're not going to
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: insult each other.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: I mean it may get– they used to do it
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: Hopefully it wouldn't, but that would be the way to
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: They used to do it that way in the old days.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: To put cameras on you with no one interfering with
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: because they checked you all those times and they didn't
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: check her with clearly things that were inaccurate, right? So
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: have two people just have a conversation with you without
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: a time constraint. And also this idea they cut off
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: the microphone.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: No crowd.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: No crowd. Crazy, too, because you're good at working a crowd.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: I would rather have a crowd.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: Of course you would. You're good at crowds.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: But I had no. So they gave me an alternative.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think he wanted to debate.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: Why did they want no crowd?
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: Because I think they thought I wasn't going to accept it.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: So I believe what they wanted to do is have
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: me not accept. So they gave me a deal I
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: couldn't refuse. And I said, I'll do it. OK, it's
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: like the mob.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: I'll take it. So they came to me. They said,
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: we'll debate Joe Biden. You know, that thing got tremendous ratings, too.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: That was crazy. But we'll debate Joe Biden. But you
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: can't have a crowd. They also wanted sitting down. I said,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing. I said, look, you got to
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: stand up. You can't really sit down. You know, in
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: the old days, they did sit down a little bit.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: But he gets tired.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: You got to stand up. And they agreed to it.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: It was a very tough thing. It almost killed it.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: They wanted to have, like, desks where we sit. I said,
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: I think we should stand up. And that was the
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: only thing I asked for. I said, we gotta stand up.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: I thought it looked bad for the public. But they said,
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: no crowd, and cut off the mic. And I said,
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: I can live with it. I mean, I can live
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: with it. And they thought I was gonna reject it.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: And then they would say he didn't wanna debate Sleepy Joe.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: That's what they thought was gonna happen.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamala
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: as well. They tried to say that you didn't wanna
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: debate her as well.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: No, by the way, with her, Number one, I'm leading.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: Number two, you know, they also said it with the primary.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: So I had like 10, 12 guys, right, in the primary.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: No stupid guys. I mean, they're governors and they're senators.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: They're not stupid people. Some are stupid, but not all
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: of them. And all my guys said, you have to
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: be in the debate. I said, why? I'm leading by
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: 74 points. The closest guy to me, I'm like 60 points,
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: 70 points higher. Why would I stand there like an
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: idiot for two hours and let every one of them
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: scream at me? I'm going to be the focus.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: And I said, I'm not debating. And it was a
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: very smart thing because, you know, they just killed themselves.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 2: The Republican primaries.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Republican primaries. I like debating. I think you
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: have to debate.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: But it has to be fair.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: I like debating like the Rosie O'Donnell debate. I like
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: debating when you have a great— remember the Rosie O'Donnell?
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very funny. Megan Kelly.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: It was a crazy thing. Megan— That was a hell
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: of a question, man. If I didn't come up with
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: that answer.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: It was a great line.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: Well, what it was is, you know, that was we
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: had 28,000 people. That was the Cleveland Arena where the
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: Cavaliers played. Right. LeBron James. I'm not a big fan
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: of LeBron James, but he is a good basketball player. But,
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: you know, that was the. And when I said that,
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: that place went crazy. And she kept talking. No, she
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: had like 10 of the.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Megan said you said it to other people
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: and you admitted you did. But it was funny. It
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: was a comedic timing moment.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: It was fine.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: That's what they wanted to avoid.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: It was lucky I did it because she was drowned. Oh,
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: she wasn't finished. That question, but she kept talking, but
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: you couldn't hear it. To this day, they don't know
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: what she said, but it wasn't positive. So anyway, but
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: we had a good time.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: It's comedic timing, and that's the reason why to have
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: a debate in front of a large audience. Well, how
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: did I do with the Al Smith dinner?
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: I got very good reviews on that.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: That was great. Very funny. Very funny stuff. The Tim
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: Wall stuff was very funny.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: Tim Wall, yeah.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: That's a real beauty.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: That's a crazy one. She said that she had picked him,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: and this is one of the questions I want to
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: ask her, when she was sleep deprived. She said she
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: was suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: is just like, hey, maybe take a nap.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: So I was, okay, look, let's see how it all
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: turns out. I think we're going to win. I think
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: we're way ahead now. I think we're way ahead. But
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: if they lose, I think they're going to look at
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 1: two things. They're going to say they should have had
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: a primary, even if it was a short primary. They
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have picked her. And then she's going to say,
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have picked this guy.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: She shouldn't have picked that guy.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: That guy's a disaster.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: The lying about Tiananmen Square.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: Everything.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the military record, assistant coach versus head coach.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: Little things. So I did McDonald's last week.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: I saw that.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: And I actually got a call from your friends at Google,
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: from Sundar. That's pretty good, right? He said, this is
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing we've had in years.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: You at McDonald's?
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: At McDonald's. Did you know that? It was one of
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: the— That was funny. Who's a great guy, by the way.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: But he said, this McDonald's thing, I want to tell you,
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: it's one of the biggest things we've ever had on Google.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: It just hit. But the reason I did it— and I
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: actually— you know, you never know about this stuff. I thought
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: it was a throwaway. I didn't think our conversation was
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: a throwaway. But I thought that was— I thought I'd walk in.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: And that was only to highlight the fact. And I
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 1: have a friend. He owns like 56 of these McDonald's.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: And he said, do you want to use one? I said, yeah,
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: I love it. So we went there, and the crowd
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 1: was crazy. You know, they had 28,000 people around. The
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: whole thing. Did you see the outside? It was crazy.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: The cars couldn't get through. Secret Service was not exactly through.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: We had no idea what the hell. But I went
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: into the place, and I did the French fry thing.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: And it just hit. But that's like in life. Sometimes
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: you do. I thought it was like a quick throwaway.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: We're going to be there for 15 minutes. Then I said,
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: I've worked here for 15 minutes, which is 15 minutes
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: more than she worked here. She lied about McDonald's.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: And, you know, is that proven that she never worked
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: at McDonald's?
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: Well, McDonald's has no information. She has no information. There's nobody.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: The manager said she never worked there. You know, it
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: was a certain place, and he said they never. No,
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: she lied. She's a liar. You know what they do?
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: They'll say, like, on any one of the questions, take
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: any one, they'll say it's the exact opposite of what
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: I say, IVF. He's against IVF, fertilization. And it's the
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: exact opposite. I came out immediately strongly in favor. And
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: they do ads. I'm against it. It's wrong. On every
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: single topic. And, you know, she changed policies on 15.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: I've never seen a guy change, anybody change on more
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: than one. You know, you can maybe get away with one.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: Her whole life, fracking, every single thing that she was for.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: the confiscation of guns. She wants to confiscate. Now she's
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: saying everybody should have a gun. In fact, we're going
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: to get her a MAGA cap. I'm going to send
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: her a MAGA cap. But she's changed, and I don't
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: think people are buying it. I don't think people are
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: buying it.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: Well, some people are buying it because they want to
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: buy it, because it's blue no matter who. There's a
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: no matter what.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: They're pressured. Their community, their ideology, left is good, right
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: is evil.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why. Okay, you have You know, I
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: built 570 miles of wall. I built a lot of wall,
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: exactly the stuff. But you have a border. What I
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: don't understand is who would want people to come into
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 1: our country from places unknown, like sometimes they'll say about
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: a fighter, from parts unknown, right? Remember Haystack's Cajun.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: From parts unknown.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: The oldest, those are the oldest. That's even before you.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: But who would want people to come in pouring into
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: our country. We don't know anything about it.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you this. Why do you think
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: they're doing that? Do you think they're trying to buy votes?
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: Do you think they just want cheap labor? What's the idea?
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: There's a couple of theories. They hate our country. They're stupid.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: Or they want to buy votes. It's one of those
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: three things. Now, they are trying to get people registered
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: who don't even know what the country is.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: And they're trying to give people amnesty. People that live here,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: they're trying to give them citizenship.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: They want to give them citizenship, or they want to
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: And if.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: You think about the amount of money that they've given
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: them when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 2: that even our poor people aren't getting.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: $ 200 billion, and that's a way low number. That's a
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: way low. You know, it's interesting. New York has always
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: been like, you know, sort of like always looking for money.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: They've spent $ 100 billion on this stuff. I don't know
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 1: where they, and they're not getting the money from the
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: federal government. It's crazy. And because the mayor came out
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: and said, We can't live like this.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: They investigated him.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, I called it. I said he just
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: got himself indicted. This group is stupid, but they're vicious.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: They're stupid people, but they're vicious people.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: The 2020 elections, you say you have all this evidence
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this evidence
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: in a consumable form?
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, I did. I have books on it. And by
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: the way, books have been written on it. We have
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: an author named Hemingway, who is a great writer. She
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: wrote a book on it, but many books have been
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: written on it. There are books that are... What's happened
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: is judges don't want to touch it. They would say
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: you don't have standing. They didn't rule on the merits.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: The merits never got there. The judges didn't have what
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: it took. To turn over an election.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: One of them is mail-in ballots. The other one is
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: if someone can break into voting machines, if someone can
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: hack voting machines. Those are two huge ones.
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: So Elon Musk, I think he said it publicly. I
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 1: hope he did because I wouldn't want to be the one.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 1: But he's a really smart guy. And he's a very
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: good guy with computers, right? You'd say he's.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: One of the smartest people alive.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: Anybody that can land that 20-story building and perfect.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: While he's doing Starlink, while he's doing Tesla, while he
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: owns Twitter.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: And then he agrees to Starlink.
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 2: And tweets 100 times a day.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: He's an amazing guy.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 1: He said to me that unless you have paper ballots,
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: it can never be an honest election. That's a big statement.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: It's a big statement.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: We should go to paper ballots. You know, France did.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: They went to mail-in voting, and it was all messed up.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: You know the amazing thing with the machines? So we
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 1: have the machines. They cost 10 times more. A paper
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: ballot would cost 8%. And they make paper ballots. They're
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: all watermarked and everything else. They're very sophisticated. But if
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: you take a look, paper ballots, 8% the cost, and
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: you're done by 9 o'clock in the evening, right? Now
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: we have these sophisticated machines. It goes up to heaven.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: It goes all over the place and down and around.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 1: And they say, we'll need two weeks to figure out
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: who the hell won the election.
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's by design?
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think it's very crooked. That's my opinion.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: You're allowed to have an opinion. Let's say you win
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: in November. What can be done to mitigate these problems?
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: What could be done at the level that the president
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: has power?
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: Well, if I win, this will be my last election.
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: But I think I owe it to the country. But
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: I think I owe it to the country. We have
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: to have fair elections.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: So how can you fix that?
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: You know, Jimmy Carter was in charge of a commission,
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: you know, that many years ago. And they put him
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: and Scoop Jackson and various senators, you know, distinguished people
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 1: that were retired. And they came up with a report.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: And the report's primary finding was you cannot have mail-in
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: ballots because if it's a mail-in ballot, You know, I
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 1: went to the voting booth the last time, whatever it was,
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: and I walked in in Palm Beach and I walk
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: in and they know me. They say, Mr. President, could
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: I see your identification?
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: Boom. Here's this. Here's that. Everything. And then you sit
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 1: and you they watch you sign and you really there's
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 1: not a lot you can do. I mean, if you
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 1: wanted to be dishonest, it's sort of beautiful.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 1: If instead of that, I'm going to send them a ballot.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: It has to go through the postal services. It has
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: to go through a lot of people. They mail you
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: houses that, you know, the house was demolished and the
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: people have left. It's so bad. The one thing with
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong commission. It was
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: no mail-in ballots. And we're the only one that does
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: elections this way anymore. They've gotten away from them.
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 2: And this is a— it ticked up in a big way
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving overseas.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 1: They used COVID to cheat. Yeah.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail-in ballot.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: But they used COVID to cheat. And the last election
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 1: was a little bit of a, you couldn't even get
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: security guys, big, strong guys to watch. You know what?
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: You'd call them. They'd call them. They were afraid to
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: go out. You know, we were in the middle of COVID.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: We were in the middle of COVID, right smack in
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: the middle. And they didn't want to die. You know,
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to catch it. It was like In
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: a way, it was like a ghost town. And the
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: whole thing, but mail-in ballots are a bad thing.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: That certainly is a problem. Mail-in ballots are a problem.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 1: Another problem is voter ID.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 2: Voter ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing. Because they
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 2: want to cheat. Well, it doesn't make sense any other way.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: I've tried to strawman it, or I've tried to steelman it, rather.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: I've tried to look at it from a position like,
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 2: why would you not want people to have IDs? And
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous. You need
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 2: an ID to get a driver's license.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: But here's now the next step. Gavin Newsom, one of
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 1: the worst governors in the world. And I used to frankly,
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 1: I used to get along, but I don't get along
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: with him because he's just too, you know, it's just
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: a whole con job. But Gavin Newsom the other day
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: signed a bill. that you are not allowed to ask
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: a person, even ask them whether or not they have
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: voter ID.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 2: Now, what could be a charitable reason why anybody would
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: want that?
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: Because they want to cheat.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: But that would be the only thing that makes sense.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: But that's taking it to the next level.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: Now, you know, you have ID. The Democrat National Convention,
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: when they had it the last time I saw, they
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: had a sign, like a billboard, the name of the person,
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: where they live, how they live, who the hell their
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: boyfriends are. Every single... And a big picture, that's for there.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 1: They have an ID, a big ID. It was hanging
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 1: like you were a prisoner. They had these massive cards, everything.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: And yet when it comes to the vote, in theory,
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: the most important thing we do, okay, when you go
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote,
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a sacred thing, and it should
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: be a sacred thing. No voter ID because they want
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 1: to cheat.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way. I've
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: tried to look at it.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 1: There's no other way.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense why.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: You know the funny thing, Joe? The Democrats, the people,
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: they all think you should have it. In other words,
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: you should have it. If you go to the people, Mrs. Schwartz, Mrs. Smith, Mr.
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 1: and Mrs. Jones, they say, of course, yeah. Democrats, they
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: say yes. It's the politicians that don't want it, like
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: Schumer and these guys. They don't want it because they
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 1: want to be able to cheat. Because you know what?
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 1: If they didn't have it, okay. Who is going to
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: vote for somebody that wants open borders? Who's going to
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 1: vote for somebody that wants to have men playing in
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: women's sports? You know, I have never had one person
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: come up to me and say, President, you've got to
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 1: do something to allow men to play in women's sports.
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 1: Have you ever? Just like I've never been called by
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: a pollster. I told you my little theory on pollsters, okay?
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: I'm getting myself in trouble with some of these things,
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: but I don't really care. Nobody's ever come up to
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: me and said, we want to have Men play in
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: women's sports. And, you know, I had a funny thing
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: at a property I own in California. I have a
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 1: woman who's a very good athlete, and she works there
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: as a manager. And Brian Urlacher, the big Chicago Bears,
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: great player, you know, 10-time All-Star, I guess, Hall of Famer,
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: great guy, big, strong guy. And she said, oh, he's
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite athletes. Can I have a picture?
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: And I took a picture, and I sent it. And
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 1: I noticed she was the size of his leg. His
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: leg was bigger than she was. And I put it out.
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: Should men play in women's football? It was just so ridiculous.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 2: promoted by the left?
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: But who wants it? Now, unless you're going to cheat
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 1: in elections, you're never going to get it. Nobody wants it.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody wants it. I've been told everything.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: Some people want this and that. I don't know of
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: anybody that wants open borders. Nobody's ever come up to
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: me and say, President, you've got to let the world
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: come into our country. Now, if they won, so they
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: have $ 21 million. I think it's much higher than that
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 1: because you have gotaways. You know, gotaways where they just
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 1: walk in. And the other thing you have is human traffickers.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: You have traffickers, and they traffic in women, and they're
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: going wild. Now, you know where you have to look?
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: The trunk of cars. Can you believe it? They put
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 1: women in trunks. They'll put three women in a trunk.
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 1: These people are savages. They're horrible. The worst people. And
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 1: they're making, the kind of money they make on drugs,
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 1: they're almost making on trafficking now. And the thing that's
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: made it hot is the internet. That's what, you know,
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: you think of it almost as an ancient thing, but
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: it's the internet. But who would want to have these things?
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 1: Who would want to have, there's so many, the transgender operations,
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: where they're allowed to take your child when he goes
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 1: to school and turn him into a male, to a female, without,
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: Parental consent. Who wants this? Does anybody want this? I've
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 1: never heard of anyone. And I can go into 10
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: different things. The only way they get them is by
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 1: no voter ID. You can't have voter ID. They want
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 1: to cheat. There's only one reason because the voter ID
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 1: is so basic. It's the most basic thing there is.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: It's very basic.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: Who would want this? They want it so they can
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 1: cheat because their policies are no good. I'll tell you.
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 1: They're very smart when it comes to that. They're very smart,
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 1: although they're not smart in terms of politics in a
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 1: way because what do they have that people want? They
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 1: really don't have. They give away a lot of healthcare,
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, but for the most part, their
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 1: policies are terrible. Their policy on military, she's running on
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 1: a tax hike. She's going to raise your taxes.
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: You got to hear this.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 1: We are going to raise your taxes. And the people clap.
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 1: But who is going to win with her? All my
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: life I grew up with politicians, lower taxes. She's politicking
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 1: that we are going to raise your taxes.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: Well, the idea is you want to raise the taxes
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 2: to the highest earners.
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: I know, but it really doesn't work that way.
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 2: They think that millionaires and billionaires are not paying their
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 2: fair share.
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 1: I know, but it doesn't work that way.
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a narrative. And it's a narrative that appeals
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 2: to people that are not doing well. And they're like, yeah,
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 2: our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 1: Well, the problems are the rich people are going to
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 1: leave and they're going to close up their companies and
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 1: then the other people aren't going to have jobs. That's
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 1: what happens.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: It does happen in other countries.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: But the whole– because you brought it up. I'll tell
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 1: you what. We just– he's doing a very good job
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 1: in Virginia, Glenn Youngkin. I don't know if you like him,
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 1: not like him.
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know him.
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, you don't know him, the governor of Virginia? Yeah.
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: We have a case where they found thousands of illegal ballots.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 1: A judge just ruled that they have to be able
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 1: to vote. Just happened today. Just before I walked in here,
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 1: I heard. A judge just ruled that you have to
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 1: keep those people in. They're illegal. They're illegal votes. Now,
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 1: I think they'll be overturned at the next court. One
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 1: thing I found, because I had a couple of things
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 1: that they had overturned a little bit, you know, the system.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: Because the system, you have to hope that the appellate
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: judges are honest. Otherwise, we don't have a country anymore.
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: It's very important. But the whole thing with the legal
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 1: ballots has got to be looked at. You have to
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 1: have voter ID, and you have to have additional ID.
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 1: You have to have an ID that shows that you're
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 1: a citizen of the country.
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 1: They don't want that either.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 2: I agree. One of the things that I want to
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: talk to you about is the JFK files. One of
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 2: the things that you said was that if they showed
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 2: you What they showed me, this is your quote, you
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 2: wouldn't want people to know it either.
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 1: So I opened them up partially. I was met with,
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 1: from good people. I mean, you know, look, I mean,
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 1: good people. People that were well-meaning. Mike Pompeo was one
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 1: of them. He's a good person. They called me. They said, sir,
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 1: would rather have you not. After, and I did open them.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: But I was asked by some people not to open them.
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 1: There's a Martin Luther King file, too, by the way,
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 1: that they'd like to see. I don't know if you know,
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 1: but there is that. But JFK in particular. So they
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 1: called me. A lot of good people called me. People
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: that you would find reasonable people. And they asked me
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 1: not to do it. So I said, well, we'll close
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 1: it for another time. But if I win, I'm going
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 1: to open them up. I'm just going to open.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you open it up the first time, though?
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 2: What was the hesitation, though?
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: Addresses... People that are still living. There are people that
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 1: are affected. And there could be some national security reason
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 1: that I don't have to necessarily know about. But some
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 1: very good, talented people asked me not to do it.
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 1: I opened it up, and then they said, would it
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 1: be possible for us to do that a different day?
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 2: How much of it did you read into?
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be just fine to open it.
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 1: Let me put it that way. I think it's fine.
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 1: It's going to be time. It's a cleansing. It's really
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 1: a cleansing. So I'm going to do it. I'm going
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 1: to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing, when people look at it from the
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 2: outside and you sort of imagine what could be a
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 2: reason why they would not release those files, it would
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 2: be there's people that were implicated in the assassination.
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: Well, when there are living people, you generally tend not
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 1: to want to do it. When people are still living.
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: Living people that formerly worked for the government.
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 1: For the government and living people that were somehow involved
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 1: in it, and you tend not to do that. But
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 1: it's time to open them. I can't tell you whether
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 1: or not they're going to find anything of interest. And
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 1: I did partially open it. I think I've opened 50%,
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 1: but I was asked not to do it, and I
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 1: thought that was a reasonable ask. But now I'm going
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 1: to do it. I'm going to do it very soon.
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of interest in it. There's a lot
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 1: of interest in the people coming from space, you know?
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 1: And I know you're interested.
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 2: In that too. Oh, I'm very interested in that. How
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 2: much did they tell you about that?
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 1: A lot.
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. What did they tell you? How much can
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 2: you tell? How does that work? Is it like super
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 2: top secret?
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 1: I think I can tell, you know.
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 2: Tell me.
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 1: Well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say whatever the
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 1: hell I want, right? But no. But I interviewed a
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 1: few people. It's never been my thing, I have to
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 1: be honest. I have never been a believer. I have
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 1: people that Area 51 or whatever it is. I think
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 1: it's the number one tourist attraction in the whole country
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 1: or something. Area 51. Do you know that, right? Sure.
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 2: I know what it is.
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 1: So anyway, but it's a big tourist thing. So I
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 1: interviewed jet pilots that say they saw something. If you
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 1: saw them, you'd love to have them.
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 2: I've had a couple in here. Commander David Fravor. I
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 2: had him in who had that sighting in 2004. Very,
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 2: very compelling with visual video evidence, radar evidence. Brian Graves.
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 1: I don't believe his name, but I interviewed jet pilots
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 1: that were solid people. Perfect. I mean, great pilots, great everything.
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 1: And they said, we saw things, sir, that were very strange.
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 1: Like a round ball, but it wasn't a comet or
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 1: a meteor. It was something. And it was going four
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 1: times faster than an F-22, which is a very fast plane,
• 2:46:39
  Speaker 1: you know. And it was round, which is in theory
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 1: a great shape.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 2: So when you were talking to these people, was this
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 2: something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 2: this your personal interest?
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 1: A little bit. It's not a great interest for me,
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 1: but it's a little interest. I get that question as
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 1: much as almost any question. Do you think that we
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 1: have aliens coming, you know, flying around or whatever?
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 1: There's no reason not to. I mean, there's no reason
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 1: not to think that Mars and all these planets don't
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 1: have life.
• 2:47:13
  Speaker 2: Well, Mars, we've had probes there and rovers. and I
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 2: don't think there's any life there.
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's life that we don't know.
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe there was life there at one point in time.
• 2:47:22
  Speaker 2: This is a speculation about Mars, that Mars had an
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 2: atmosphere at one point in time a long time ago
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 2: that could support life. It also had large bodies of water,
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 2: but we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that
• 2:47:33
  Speaker 2: exists on Mars. The universe is pretty vast.
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 1: It's not been a big thing for me. I mean,
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 1: when I looked at what China did to this, they
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 1: would have never done it with me, where they put
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 1: the balloon up. And a lot of people thought for
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 1: a little while that that was one of these things.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a lot of the speculation, too, that some
• 2:47:49
  Speaker 2: of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 2: Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs.
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 1: They could be also.
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 2: There's some super sophisticated.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 1: But I did interview, let's say, three or four guys.
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 1: And without tremendous interest, if you had them, As I said,
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 1: you'd love to have me as your children. Solid, beautiful people.
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 1: They said, sir, there's something there.
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 2: You know, they've... There's something there.
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked to quite a few of them.
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 1: They're not conspiracy guys.
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just the Commander David Fravor thing in
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 2: 2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 2: thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 2: in a second. They don't know what it is.
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 1: That's tough to beat.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They saw something in the water. It was hovering
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 2: over that something that was making a disturbance in the water.
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 2: They got video evidence of this thing. Two different fighter
• 2:48:40
  Speaker 2: jets with pilots in them saw it. There's visual evidence,
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 2: photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence. Whatever the hell it is,
• 2:48:48
  Speaker 2: it moves in a way that would turn a human
• 2:48:50
  Speaker 2: being into Jell-O if they were inside of it. The G-Force,
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 2: no one would survive. So what is that? And it
• 2:48:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a heat signature. They don't know what their
• 2:48:58
  Speaker 2: propulsion system was. But when you.
• 2:49:01
  Speaker 1: Fly in some of these jets... These pilots have to
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 1: be in great shape.
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I flew with the Blue Angels once.
• 2:49:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to fly. I guess it's an F-18.
• 2:49:10
  Speaker 1: And those are older machines.
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 2: And they're crazy.
• 2:49:13
  Speaker 1: When you fly in some of these things, it's amazing.
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine.
• 2:49:16
  Speaker 1: You've got to be special.
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 2: But these things that these people are encountering are far
• 2:49:20
  Speaker 2: superior to what we know of.
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:49:23
  Speaker 2: Is it possible that there's some military or government program
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 2: that you weren't, that they didn't tell you about?
• 2:49:32
  Speaker 1: I think I had a great relationship with the military, basically. But,
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't like certain people. I would have
• 2:49:37
  Speaker 1: gotten them out if I thought— if I were— if the election
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 1: was different, I would have fired, you know, all of
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 1: them quickly. Most of them I did fire. Biden should
• 2:49:47
  Speaker 1: have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan. He should
• 2:49:52
  Speaker 1: have had a lot of firings. You know, if you
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 1: look at him, he told Israel not to do anything.
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 1: At least Israel's not going to look at a bomb
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 1: the way they would have been. Think if they listened
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 1: to Biden. They'd be waiting for a bomb to drop
• 2:50:02
  Speaker 1: on their head right now. He's been wrong about so much.
• 2:50:06
  Speaker 1: I guess you'd have to say that she's been wrong, too, because,
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 1: you know, she always said they made the decision together.
• 2:50:12
  Speaker 1: But Israel didn't follow his advice. And I think it
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 1: was a very, you know, it's a very, the Middle
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 1: East is rapidly changing. You know, there are prophets that
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 1: say the world will come to an end in the
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 1: Middle East. You know that, right? And We have weapons
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 1: today that are so scary. When you look, I rebuilt
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 1: them all. And when you look at the weapons we
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 1: have today, the biggest threat we have in the world
• 2:50:39
  Speaker 1: today is nuclear weapons. And we have other weapons too
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 1: that are devastated. But the nuclear weapons, the biggest threat
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 1: we have in the world today, and that's what you...
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 1: I was talking about de-escalation with both China and Russia.
• 2:50:54
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, We were going to de-escalate. They were
• 2:50:58
  Speaker 1: going to de-escalate. Got to be careful. It's a little
• 2:51:00
  Speaker 1: tricky playing with them because they say we're going to
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 1: do it and they don't do it maybe. But they
• 2:51:06
  Speaker 1: understood the curse too. It's a curse. China is way
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 1: behind us, but they'll catch us within five years.
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 2: So let's imagine, let's say you win in November. What
• 2:51:15
  Speaker 2: do you do differently and how do you change this
• 2:51:18
  Speaker 2: course that it seems we are on for World War III?
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 2: How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 2: you stop what's going on in the Middle East? How
• 2:51:26
  Speaker 2: do you put a stop to this?
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a very, to me it's an easy question
• 2:51:31
  Speaker 1: because I think I can do it easily, but it's
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 1: a complex question in the sense that the times change,
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 1: every day changes. Who's winning, who's not winning? I mean,
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 1: Russia's a war machine. Whether you like it or not,
• 2:51:46
  Speaker 1: it just grinds along, grinds along. You speak to people
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 1: like Viktor Orban, he'll tell you. It's just a big, fat,
• 2:51:53
  Speaker 1: war machine. And that's what's happening. You look at what's
• 2:51:56
  Speaker 1: happened to Ukraine. If I were there, it would have
• 2:51:59
  Speaker 1: never happened.
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 2: But what could you do now? If you get into
• 2:52:02
  Speaker 2: office in January, what could you do now?
• 2:52:05
  Speaker 1: Right now, you would get both of them. I know
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 1: both very well. And again, I do not want to
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 1: tell you for the purpose of looking smart to five
• 2:52:15
  Speaker 1: people that say, oh, he was great. Because if I
• 2:52:20
  Speaker 1: told you exactly what I do, I could never make
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 1: the deal. All I can tell you is that I
• 2:52:25
  Speaker 1: would meet with Putin and I would meet with him.
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 1: And I know exactly what I'd say to each one
• 2:52:29
  Speaker 1: of them. And I believe that as president-elect, I would
• 2:52:32
  Speaker 1: get that war stopped and stopped fast. You know, we
• 2:52:36
  Speaker 1: have tremendous power in the United States if you know
• 2:52:38
  Speaker 1: how to use the power. I stopped other wars just
• 2:52:42
  Speaker 1: by the use of tariffs. I got Macron of France.
• 2:52:46
  Speaker 1: Good guys, like a friend of mine. But he's a
• 2:52:48
  Speaker 1: wise guy. And he's a person that likes France. And
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  Speaker 1: he was going to tax our companies. And I sent
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  Speaker 1: all the smartest guys. I sent Mnuchin. They all failed me.
• 2:52:59
  Speaker 1: And I said, I'll do it myself. And I called him.
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 1: I said, Emmanuel, you're taxing American companies. We're not going
• 2:53:05
  Speaker 1: to allow you to do that. Oh, Donald, I cannot
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  Speaker 1: do it. There's nothing I can do. It's already been passed.
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  Speaker 1: I said, Emmanuel, if you do that, I'm going to
• 2:53:13
  Speaker 1: put a 100% tariff on your wines and champagnes that
• 2:53:16
  Speaker 1: come into the United States, and you're going to regret
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 1: that you ever did it. He said, Donald, please, that's
• 2:53:21
  Speaker 1: not fair. Anyway, within about two minutes, he dropped the
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 1: whole thing. And it was massive amounts of money against
• 2:53:27
  Speaker 1: American companies. I have to protect American companies.
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  Speaker 2: So why doesn't the Biden administration do this?
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 1: Because they're incompetent. They don't know how to talk. Look,
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 1: they met in Alaska with the Chinese. And the Chinese
• 2:53:41
  Speaker 1: lectured them about how badly we treat people. Right? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, think of it. You remember that? They didn't
• 2:53:51
  Speaker 1: talk to me that way. They respected me. They respected
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  Speaker 1: our country. They don't respect our country. They don't respect Biden.
• 2:53:59
  Speaker 1: They don't respect her. They're dreaming about her because she's incompetent.
• 2:54:04
  Speaker 1: She's not a smart person. Look, she can't put two
• 2:54:07
  Speaker 1: sentences together. She talks. I watched her last night, too.
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 1: It was the same thing. She's not a smart person.
• 2:54:16
  Speaker 1: These guys are very smart, and they're very streetwise, and
• 2:54:19
  Speaker 1: they're very tricky and evil and dangerous. And if she
• 2:54:23
  Speaker 1: becomes the president of the United States, which I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe can happen, I don't think this country is going
• 2:54:30
  Speaker 1: to make it. I don't think we'll ever be. I
• 2:54:34
  Speaker 1: think just really bad things will happen to our country.
• 2:54:37
  Speaker 1: And you know what? I look at the outside forces
• 2:54:39
  Speaker 1: and I say they can all be handled because we
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 1: have a pot of gold. But we're not going to
• 2:54:44
  Speaker 1: have that pot of gold to play with anymore. You know,
• 2:54:46
  Speaker 1: it's a great negotiating thing. I told you I knocked
• 2:54:50
  Speaker 1: out this massive car company going to Take all of
• 2:54:53
  Speaker 1: our car business from Detroit. I knocked it out just
• 2:54:56
  Speaker 1: by my rhetoric. Rhetorically, I said, they'll never sell a
• 2:55:01
  Speaker 1: car in here. I'll put tariffs. I don't care. They're 2,000%.
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  Speaker 1: They're never going to build that plant.
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  Speaker 2: Is it possible to apply that same thing to the
• 2:55:08
  Speaker 2: electronics that we use? One of the things that disturbs
• 2:55:11
  Speaker 2: me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas.
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  Speaker 2: And then some of our phones are made in places
• 2:55:16
  Speaker 2: like— Yes, and the chips. And some of our phones
• 2:55:18
  Speaker 2: are made in places like Foxconn where they have nets
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  Speaker 2: around the building to keep people from jumping off the
• 2:55:22
  Speaker 2: roof because they have so many suicides. Like wouldn't it
• 2:55:25
  Speaker 2: be better to have an American-made iPhone where you know
• 2:55:28
  Speaker 2: people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're
• 2:55:31
  Speaker 2: taken care of, they can live a good life, where
• 2:55:33
  Speaker 2: you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because
• 2:55:37
  Speaker 2: someone has to suffer in a horrible way that's not
• 2:55:40
  Speaker 2: even legal in the United States. It's not even legal
• 2:55:42
  Speaker 2: to have them work that way in the United States.
• 2:55:44
  Speaker 2: So they get these people to build them overseas.
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  Speaker 1: You do it. But let me just say, that chip
• 2:55:49
  Speaker 1: deal is so bad. We put up billions of dollars
• 2:55:52
  Speaker 1: for rich companies to come in and borrow the money
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  Speaker 1: and build chip companies here. And they're not going to
• 2:55:57
  Speaker 1: give us the good companies anyway. All you had to
• 2:56:00
  Speaker 1: do is charge them tariffs. If you would have put
• 2:56:02
  Speaker 1: a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have
• 2:56:06
  Speaker 1: been able to, just like the auto companies, no different.
• 2:56:09
  Speaker 1: More sophisticated, but no different. You know, Taiwan, they stole
• 2:56:14
  Speaker 1: our chip business, okay? They want us to protect, and
• 2:56:18
  Speaker 1: they want protection. They don't pay us money for the protection,
• 2:56:20
  Speaker 1: you know? The mob makes you pay money, right? But
• 2:56:24
  Speaker 1: with these countries that we protect, I got hundreds of
• 2:56:27
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us.
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  Speaker 1: And my biggest fan is Stoltenberg, who just left as the,
• 2:56:35
  Speaker 1: you know, director general, as the secretary general. Good guy.
• 2:56:40
  Speaker 1: He said, Bush came, he made a speech. Obama came,
• 2:56:43
  Speaker 1: he made a speech. Trump came, he said, you guys
• 2:56:45
  Speaker 1: aren't paying, you got to pay. And they said, will
• 2:56:47
  Speaker 1: you protect us from Russia if we don't? I said, no,
• 2:56:50
  Speaker 1: you got to pay if you don't pay. Billions of
• 2:56:52
  Speaker 1: dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying
• 2:56:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of money to have people build the chip,
• 2:56:59
  Speaker 1: that's not the way. You didn't have to put up
• 2:57:01
  Speaker 1: 10 cents. You could have done it with a series
• 2:57:03
  Speaker 1: of tariffs. In other words, you tariff it so high
• 2:57:07
  Speaker 1: that they will come and build their chip company. for nothing.
• 2:57:11
  Speaker 1: In other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on
• 2:57:14
  Speaker 1: the chips coming in. I say, you don't have to
• 2:57:17
  Speaker 1: pay the tariff. All you have to do is build
• 2:57:18
  Speaker 1: your plant in the United States. We didn't have to
• 2:57:21
  Speaker 1: give them the money to build a plant. Besides that,
• 2:57:24
  Speaker 1: they're very rich companies, these chip companies. They stole 95%
• 2:57:29
  Speaker 1: of our business. It's in Taiwan right now. They do
• 2:57:32
  Speaker 1: a great job. But that's only because we have stupid politicians.
• 2:57:35
  Speaker 1: We lost the chip business. And now we think we're
• 2:57:38
  Speaker 1: going to pay. You can't build it that way. You
• 2:57:41
  Speaker 1: have to make them spend their money in the United States.
• 2:57:44
  Speaker 1: And those plants would open up all over. And they'll
• 2:57:46
  Speaker 1: fund them. We don't have to put up 10 cents.
• 2:57:48
  Speaker 1: And I am in the process of making a huge
• 2:57:51
  Speaker 1: speech in about a little while. And you and I,
• 2:57:53
  Speaker 1: how long have we been talking?
• 2:57:55
  Speaker 2: A long time.
• 2:57:56
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: Probably like three hours.
• 2:57:57
  Speaker 1: I got to make a speech.
• 2:57:58
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:57:59
  Speaker 1: But we'll do it again. I want to do it
• 2:58:00
  Speaker 1: again with you.
• 2:58:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:58:01
  Speaker 1: You are something. Thank you very much. I said, how
• 2:58:03
  Speaker 1: long will this last? Anywhere from an hour to three
• 2:58:07
  Speaker 1: or four hours.
• 2:58:07
  Speaker 2: How long we do it, Jamie? Three hours.
• 2:58:10
  Speaker 1: Good. Well, we'll do it again. I thought it was great.
• 2:58:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's.
• 2:58:12
  Speaker 2: I think it was great.
• 2:58:12
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. You are a fascinating guy.
• 2:58:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you. And you've done a great job.
• 2:58:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
• 2:58:18
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. And thank you very much. It's
• 2:58:19
  Speaker 1: been an honor.
• 2:58:20
  Speaker 2: It's been an honor to have you on as well.
• 2:58:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make a great speech, and I'm going
• 2:58:23
  Speaker 1: to say, and if I'm a little off tonight, I'm
• 2:58:25
  Speaker 1: going to blame you. I spoke to this guy for
• 2:58:28
  Speaker 1: three hours. Anyway, it's a great honor.
• 2:58:30
  Speaker 2: To be with you. Thank you, sir. Good luck to you.
• 2:58:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
• 2:58:33
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:58:34
  Speaker 2: Bye, everybody.