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Devin Jackson on the NFL Draft, Spencer Fano and Caleb Lomu going in the 1st round, Favorite picks in the first round + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: ninety two to one f M.
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Speaker 2: NFL Draft in the books, Utah for the first time
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Speaker 2: ever with two mutes taken in the first round, Kaylee
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Speaker 2: Lomu number twenty eight to the Patriots. Spencer Fono ended
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Speaker 2: up going to the Browns after all, but they traded
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Speaker 2: back to the number nine pick and got him. And then,
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Speaker 2: of course, as all of you know, they signed his
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Speaker 2: brother Logan as an undrafted free agent, So double Fano
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Speaker 2: treatment for the Cleveland Browns. Talking about all things NFL Draft,
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Speaker 2: A man who served as a great resource for us
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Speaker 2: leading up to the draft, and now we get to
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Speaker 2: unpack some of what we saw this past weekend. Devin
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Speaker 2: Jackson joins us once again. Devin, welcome again. How are you, sir?
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Speaker 3: Doing great? Thanks for having me on and I'm definitely
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Speaker 3: well arrested after a very busy draft weekend. Was there
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Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh and a lot of late nights, you know,
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Speaker 3: a lot of analyzing and breaking down pits, but you know,
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Speaker 3: excited that that that's all behind us, and glad that
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Speaker 3: all these players finally landed and they're enough homes all right.
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Speaker 2: So before we get into anything Utah related, I'm always
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Speaker 2: fascinated by regional rivalries city versus city hate, in state
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Speaker 2: hate whatever. And we saw the Philadelphia Eagles slide in
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Speaker 2: slide it in snags, and that the Pittsburgh Steelers were
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Speaker 2: on the phone with Tell me how this all played
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Speaker 2: out in draft weekend?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was insane, you know, Makaye Limon talked about
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Speaker 3: a little bit afterward, but yeah, the Steelers were dead
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Speaker 3: set on getting McKy lemon. You know, they had kind
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Speaker 3: of made it pretty much known, you know, from the
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Speaker 3: media aspect of things. Everyone could kind of tell us
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Speaker 3: the route they were going, and you know, obviously Steelers
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Speaker 3: thought so too. So you know, Cowboys are on the
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Speaker 3: clock at twenty and you know, the Steelers they had
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Speaker 3: called makaylam and they've done this before in the past.
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Speaker 3: I think they were on the phone with Derek Carman
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Speaker 3: before they picked them. I think Troy Fatano as well
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Speaker 3: a few years ago. And yeah, Philly traded up to
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Speaker 3: twenty with the Dallas Cowboys and the Eagles also called
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Speaker 3: Machaitlam at the same time, and women was talking to
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Speaker 3: the Steelers. His agent, you know, took a phone call
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Speaker 3: from Philly and said Philly is trained up to take him.
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Speaker 3: So he had the end the call. You know, he
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Speaker 3: was on the phone asking Omar Co on the GM
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Speaker 3: for the Steelers, why is Philly calling me right now? So, yeah,
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Speaker 3: very bizarre circumstance. Also, Pittsburgh being the home, you know,
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Speaker 3: obviously the host of the draft and having that happen,
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Speaker 3: it was pretty insane.
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Speaker 2: It's just wild and little soap opera folding there on
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Speaker 2: first round of the draft night in Pittsburgh. Now, now
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Speaker 2: let's talk if you don't mind the I am my
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Speaker 2: default setting when we're talking about the Cleveland Browns is
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, it's not gonna work. Whatever they're trying
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Speaker 2: to do is not gonna work. And now I have
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Speaker 2: to try to change that because Spencer Fono and his
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Speaker 2: brother and another guy with local ties, Carson Ryan, who
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Speaker 2: played at Utah and at PYU. Uh, they're all headed
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Speaker 2: to Cleveland and uh, you know, Fano is a guy
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Speaker 2: that we talked about plenty leading up to the draft
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Speaker 2: as maybe a tweet er, maybe you're gonna move him
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Speaker 2: inside it. Does he play guard? Does he play right tackle?
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Speaker 2: Does he play center? Well, Cleveland drafted him with the
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Speaker 2: number nine overall pick, first offensive lineman off the board,
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Speaker 2: and then on the phone call, they said, we think
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Speaker 2: you're a foundational left tackle for us. Tell me what
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Speaker 2: you think of this?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, with Fano's skill set,
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Speaker 3: you know, if you're gonna use him and utilizes athleticism
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Speaker 3: in space and uh, you know, there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: play action and kind of instlay him a little bit
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Speaker 3: where you know, early in his career he is not
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Speaker 3: taking a ten of one on one uh, you know,
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Speaker 3: one on one blocks and one on one opportunities. I
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Speaker 3: think it makes a lot of sense. You don't take
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Speaker 3: a player, you know, inside the top ten, especially off
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Speaker 3: intive line, and if you don't plan on playing them
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Speaker 3: at tackle and making them kind of a foundational piece
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Speaker 3: of your offensive line. So I think the move is great.
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Speaker 3: You know, I evaluated Fano as a tackle because I thought, uh,
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Speaker 3: you know all along that he was an offensive tackle.
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Speaker 3: And I think the only uh, you know, really qualms
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Speaker 3: that people had about was like, if you're going to
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Speaker 3: play him as interior. You know, how high do you taken?
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I love I love the pick. You know,
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Speaker 3: seemed like meeting up to the days of the draft
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Speaker 3: that that Fano was was their guy, and they went
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Speaker 3: out and got him and got someone that they can
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Speaker 3: build around offensive line. You know, it's kind of an
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Speaker 3: aging offensive line a little bit. You know, the the
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Speaker 3: guys that they had there as foundational pieces are starting
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Speaker 3: to get older. So this gives them opportunity to kind
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Speaker 3: of start over a little bit and have someone that
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Speaker 3: Fano that you know, is such a great athlete, someone
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Speaker 3: that you know understands and plays a position really really well.
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Speaker 3: And I think he's only going to get better with ton.
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Speaker 2: The the trivia fact that they decided that they're going
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Speaker 2: to sign his brother as well. We have seen in
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Speaker 2: the past where professional athletes kind of need to be
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Speaker 2: handled right, and so maybe you you build a little
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Speaker 2: infrastructure around that person because big brother or little brother
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Speaker 2: can keep so and so out of trouble. That that's
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Speaker 2: not the case with the Fanos. What did the Browns
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Speaker 2: expect from Logan from a players standpoint, because he's not
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Speaker 2: just there to babysit his younger brother.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's He's a really strong player too in his
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Speaker 3: own right, and and I love that he landed, uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, with with you know, Spencer, And yeah, he's
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Speaker 3: an edge rusher in college, someone that you know, heavy handed,
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Speaker 3: players of power, you know, someone that is a really
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Speaker 3: good run defender, you know, plays plays a good technique
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Speaker 3: and is able to slip past blockers. So he's someone that,
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Speaker 3: you know, I think really the only reason that he's
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Speaker 3: at this point and decided or ended up not getting
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Speaker 3: drafted is because, you know, he suffered knee injuries in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, you know, and
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Speaker 3: as I'm sure we'll talk about in some of these
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Speaker 3: other prospects that you know, maybe fell a little bit
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Speaker 3: further or reflect a little bit higher than we thought.
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Speaker 3: You know, injury history kind of plays a big part
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Speaker 3: in your draft projection, especially if it's knee injury. So
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Speaker 3: I think we find out the or logan fan out
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Speaker 3: the talent was always there, the production is there, especially
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, but I think it's just about
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Speaker 3: the injury aspect of his game. And yeah, I think
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Speaker 3: he's someone that has a literate chance to Carr Cleveland.
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think he's just a guy that's,
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Speaker 3: you know, around just just because his brother is there.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think, you know, a Logan. I think
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Speaker 3: there's a good chance that he pushes for a roster spot,
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Speaker 3: you know, if he could show out on specialty and
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Speaker 3: show that he can be a nice depth player in
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Speaker 3: the edge rushing room. Obviously that's top heavy with Miles
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Speaker 3: Garrett there in Cleveland, I think Logan has a legit
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Speaker 3: chance to make the rosters of UDFA.
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Speaker 2: The other first rounder for the utah Utes, of course,
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Speaker 2: Caleb Loma, who I was hoping would go to my
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Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine ers, they move out of that
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Speaker 2: first round and instead he goes to the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 2: He has a bit of a viral moment with his
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Speaker 2: zesty dance moves. But beyond that, why do you like
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Speaker 2: to fit of Caleb Lomo with the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it'll be interesting because I'm kind of
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Speaker 3: curious to see where they're gonna play him.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: Obviously they have Will Campbell there with the New England
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Speaker 3: Patriots already, and he's a guy that they've consistently said
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Speaker 3: it is going to stay at left tackle. So at
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Speaker 3: right tackle, you have a guy like Lomu that you
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Speaker 3: know could take some time to develop. He doesn't have
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Speaker 3: to come in right away and start from day one.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's been the big I think that
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Speaker 3: you know, I kind of talked about a little bit
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Speaker 3: on on with you, is that I think he's going
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Speaker 3: to be a guy that you know, people see the trades,
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Speaker 3: see the the path walking ability of the athleticism, the
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Speaker 3: light feet, and they're going to be intrigued by a
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Speaker 3: skill set. But I also think, you know, they have
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Speaker 3: Morgan Moses already uh there for New England that's gonna
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Speaker 3: start on the right side. He's a little bit older
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Speaker 3: and a little bit toward the end of his career.
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Speaker 3: So I think this gives them insurance that, all right,
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Speaker 3: you know, if you know, we want to kind of
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Speaker 3: rearrange our offensive line a little bit, if we want
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Speaker 3: to move Will Campbell, if he's continued to struggle a
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Speaker 3: struggle at left tackle, we have someone like Logan that
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Speaker 3: can step in. Or if Morgan Moses go down and
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Speaker 3: goes down with the injury or isn't playing well during
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Speaker 3: the course of the year, they have a guy like
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Speaker 3: Loman that can step in. So I already like the
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Speaker 3: opportunity for him, uh to to sit you know, kind
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Speaker 3: of learn and develop a little bit more. But also uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, being maybe one or two steps away, you know,
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Speaker 3: from from being in the game and obviously having the
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Speaker 3: ability to play tackle, and you know, if he has
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Speaker 3: to play the right side, it is obviously going to
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Speaker 3: be a little bit of a learning curve. But you know,
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Speaker 3: I think this gives New England some opportunity and some
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Speaker 3: insulation that you know, if you know, say, well, Campbell
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Speaker 3: doesn't play well to start the year, Morgan moses it's
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Speaker 3: banged up or doesn't play well, you know, he has
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Speaker 3: someone like low MoU that has opportunity to step in
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Speaker 3: at either spot.
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Speaker 2: Staying in the first round and then we'll expand things
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Speaker 2: from there. But was it did you have a favorite
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Speaker 2: pick in the first round? A guy ended up somewhere
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Speaker 2: you thought would be perfect for him. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The first round was really interesting because I didn't expect,
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Speaker 3: like Carnel Tate to go fourth overall to Tennessee. You know,
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Speaker 3: I knew that that they were interested in receiver, but
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Speaker 3: but wasn't expecting him to go that early. Manster of
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Speaker 3: delaying being traded up for for Kansas City. Uh. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think the best, the best fit or my favorite
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Speaker 3: fit is Rulyman Bain in Tampa Bay. You know, I think, uh,
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Speaker 3: looking at what Tampa Bay has struggled with, they struggled
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Speaker 3: to get it to the quarterback over the last few years,
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Speaker 3: and they haven't had a premier edge rusher that someone
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Speaker 3: that could come in immediately, uh and and be you know,
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Speaker 3: a potential star for them. So you know, I think
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Speaker 3: Ruined Bain, you know, is fit with Tampa Bay. I'm
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Speaker 3: very excited to see how we ll turns out, you know,
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Speaker 3: him being disruptive force. The already have some some really
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Speaker 3: good pieces on on that defensive line. Already, Elijah can't
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Speaker 3: see the interior defensive lineman Vita Vea there, their big
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Speaker 3: run stuffer in the middle of the defense. You have
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Speaker 3: Ruin Bain, someone that can rush the passer, you know,
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Speaker 3: push the pocket, and then also be be a style
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Speaker 3: run defender as well. I'm really excited to see that fit.
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Speaker 3: Someone that that I thought lasts a little bit longer
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Speaker 3: than I was expecting, but he lands in a great spot. Uh.
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Speaker 3: And the defense that you know, desperately needs needs a
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Speaker 3: skill set.
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Speaker 2: Did he land a little later because of that arm
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Speaker 2: length conversation?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think arm length a little bit too. There
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Speaker 3: have been report, uh in the weeks lean up to
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Speaker 3: the draft that he involved in kind of a fatal
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Speaker 3: crash as well from a couple of years ago that
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Speaker 3: begins circulating to those NFL teams that they've done their
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Speaker 3: due diligence already. But but yeah, I think it's a
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Speaker 3: little combination of both where Yeah, I think, uh, the
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Speaker 3: arm link consideration, Uh, definitely from from a team perspective,
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Speaker 3: I think, uh, those teams that passed on weren't as
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Speaker 3: comfortable with it, And yeah, he ended up lasting a
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Speaker 3: little bit longer. Even a team like the Baltimore Ravens
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Speaker 3: that you know, typically pounds on guys that are falling
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Speaker 3: down the board a little bit ended up not taking him.
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Speaker 3: So uh So, yeah, I think it's a little bit
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Speaker 3: about there with being let lasting a little longer than
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Speaker 3: we expected.
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Speaker 2: Who are you surprised to see fall out of the
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Speaker 2: first round?
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Speaker 3: If anyone, Yeah, falling out of the first round, I
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Speaker 3: mean I had I have to say, Jamal McCoy, he
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Speaker 3: lasted all the way to the fourth round and Uh,
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Speaker 3: that was especially surprising, even with you know, there were
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Speaker 3: some from portally enough to a draft that uh, you
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Speaker 3: know his knees. Uh maybe degenerative be a condition where
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Speaker 3: it kind of wears away over time, but still you
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Speaker 3: would thought you would have thought, you know, he tested
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Speaker 3: really well at his pro day, looked really good doing drills.
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Speaker 3: So that was a big surprise, you know, someone that
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Speaker 3: people were like kind of trying to figure out, all right,
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Speaker 3: he fits, probably fit somewhere in the first round, but
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Speaker 3: probably you know, with the knee reports coming out, you
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Speaker 3: thought that, you know, maybe he lasts to the end
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Speaker 3: of first round, early day two, he lasts to the
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Speaker 3: fourth round. So I think that was one of the
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Speaker 3: biggest surprises of the weekend, just seeing how far East
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Speaker 3: lived from a potential first rounder office twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 3: Teape ended up being a fourth rounder when it was
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Speaker 3: all done. So, yeah, you feel bad for him because
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Speaker 3: the skill set says he should be a first rounder,
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Speaker 3: but just the way that things have gone pre draft wise,
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Speaker 3: didn't work out. The time behind after sitting out all year,
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Speaker 3: you know, really waited to his pro day to really
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Speaker 3: do things, and then yeah, I think the medical concerns
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Speaker 3: there just you know, I think led to everything to
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Speaker 3: him falling not only out of the first round, but
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Speaker 3: all the way down the day three.
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Speaker 2: Did one team for you have a markedly better draft
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Speaker 2: than maybe you expected or even then their peers. Did
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Speaker 2: somebody win this draft? Truly?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I mean you have to say, it's hard not to
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Speaker 3: feel good about what the Giants did in their draft.
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Speaker 3: In the draft class, you know, I think, obviously get
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Speaker 3: a guy like Arvo Reeves kind of log ins the
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Speaker 3: their edge rushing room a little bit, but I think overall,
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Speaker 3: I mean, you get a player that you can can
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Speaker 3: kind of figure out and define a position, probably plays
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Speaker 3: off ball linebacker at this point. If you're going to
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Speaker 3: continue to keep Kaveon, Thibodeau, Brian Burns, and you know
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Speaker 3: obviously have Dual car who he drafted in the first
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Speaker 3: round last year. I love the Francis Mau you know,
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Speaker 3: ad Pick. I think he is a guy that helps
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Speaker 3: her off into line no matter where he plays, whether
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Speaker 3: he plays at tackle, whether he plays at guard. I
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Speaker 3: think that it really helps solidify their off into line
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Speaker 3: and you know, continues to build it toward being a
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Speaker 3: more sustainable group. You know, they add a weapon and
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Speaker 3: Malachi Fields in a third round, got a defensive back
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Speaker 3: in Colton Hood, and then you add some some Day
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Speaker 3: three picks in the sixth round as well that that
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Speaker 3: can be contributed as Jack Kelly from EYU, JC Davis
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Speaker 3: from Illinois that can play darter tackle, Bobby Jamis, and
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Speaker 3: Travis defensive tackle from Auburn that can be kind of
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Speaker 3: a depth piece there. So I really liked what they did.
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Speaker 3: I like how they approached the draft and how everything
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Speaker 3: turned out in general. You know, I thought Tampa Bay
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Speaker 3: also had a really strong draft as well. I think
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Speaker 3: they got guys that could potentially have pat the playing time.
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Speaker 3: And I think almost in all of their picks, whether
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Speaker 3: this group and Bain Josiah Trotter, you can play linebacker
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Speaker 3: for them, You're one, ted Hurst can be an ex
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Speaker 3: receiver for them on offense, Canty Scott is like kind
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Speaker 3: of a nickel safety hybrid, and then Billy in the
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Speaker 3: fifth round, I think he's a guy that can starting
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Speaker 3: games for them offensive guard. So I think those teams
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Speaker 3: stand out to me is really strong drafts. I like
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Speaker 3: what Cleveland did as well. I thought they had had
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Speaker 3: a strong draft as well. But yeah, I don't think
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Speaker 3: anyone won it per se. But I definitely feel good
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Speaker 3: about like those three teams specifically, especially the Giants Buccaneers,
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Speaker 3: because I think there are teams that, you know, with
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Speaker 3: this draft, they can really continue to build on and
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe they may both make a playoff push
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Speaker 3: this year.
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Speaker 2: A lot of conversation, Maybe the most talked about pick
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Speaker 2: in the entire draft was Ty Simpson going to the
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Speaker 2: Rams with number thirteen. What do you make of that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't really sure about the pick, and I
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Speaker 3: still am not sure in a few days after the draft.
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Speaker 3: You know, to me, like, I understand that you never
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Speaker 3: want to be in a situation where all of a sudden,
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Speaker 3: your quarterback, your franchise quarterback in Matthew Stafford ends up,
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Speaker 3: you know, falling off a cliffs and no longer playing
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Speaker 3: at the way that he was playing before. But he's
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Speaker 3: coming off the MVP season. He talked about an extension
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Speaker 3: this offseason. I think they came to one right before
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Speaker 3: the draft, and then you select the quarterback. I just
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Speaker 3: didn't understand the process there for the Rams. I will
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Speaker 3: understand they're like, hey, we don't want to commit long term,
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Speaker 3: you know, money and long term resources to Matthew Stafford
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Speaker 3: as he's getting older, but they did the opposite and
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Speaker 3: then took ty Simpson, and I'm just not sure that
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Speaker 3: was the best use of the resources, especially with the
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl window that they have open right now, with
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Speaker 3: other potential needs on offense, you know, and even the
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Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball. I was stunned by the pick.
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Speaker 3: You know, it seemed like receivers the way they were
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Speaker 3: going to go, maybe the offensive tackle. They decided to
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Speaker 3: go quarterback, and I'm just not sure that Tys Simpson
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Speaker 3: becomes the quarterback of the future.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they're going to give him opportunity to do so,
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Speaker 3: but how soon is he going to play? You know,
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Speaker 3: Kate wait two years, Kate wait three years, potentially if
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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford continues to play at a high level, I
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Speaker 3: just don't see a path of playing time for him
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Speaker 3: for at least two years, and then after that, you know,
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Speaker 3: there's no guarantee that she's actually going to be the
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Speaker 3: quarterback that was worth taking thirteen overall in this draft class.
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Speaker 3: So I just I just don't agree with the pick
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Speaker 3: and agree with where they are right now and trying
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Speaker 3: to keep the Super Bowl window open, especially as Matthew
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Speaker 3: Stafford's career starts to wind down a little bit.
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Speaker 2: If less Need had called you and said, hey, you're
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Speaker 2: going to make this pick for me, what would you
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Speaker 2: have done in thirteen instead?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have took a receiver. I mean, you
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Speaker 3: could have Tooken mackay Lemmon there. You could have Tooken,
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Speaker 3: taken off the tackle there. I know the run had
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Speaker 3: started there. I believe I think Kateen Proctor was taken
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Speaker 3: after Marianoa went ten and then sincer Final went nine.
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Speaker 3: You know, Kate and Proctor went twelve. Man, you could
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Speaker 3: have went Monroe Freel and you could win. You know,
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Speaker 3: Blake Miller, if you want to continue to keep the
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Speaker 3: offense is a trend going, you could have took Kenyan Sadig.
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Speaker 3: You know, you could have took any number of those guys.
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Speaker 3: Casey Concepcion. He could have traded back and waited a
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Speaker 3: little bit to see who was going to be available,
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Speaker 3: because I truly hope that ty Simpson would have been
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Speaker 3: on the board if they traded back. You know, if
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Speaker 3: they waited until day two and trade up and trade
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Speaker 3: up to get to get him, maybe into round one.
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Speaker 3: You know, I just didn't feel like, you know, especially
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Speaker 3: with the trade that they made. They had two first
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Speaker 3: round picks, they traded one of their first round picks
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Speaker 3: to get Trent McDuffie. All the moves that they made
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Speaker 3: this offseason seemed like they were going all in into
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Speaker 3: trying to win now and getting a guy like Ty
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Speaker 3: Simpson to me, just didn't signal that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I met out on it. Also, especially
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Speaker 2: with if you needed Ty Simpson or you wanted Ty
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Speaker 2: Simpson in the first round, it didn't have to be
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Speaker 2: at thirteen, like you just mentioned, you could have had
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Speaker 2: him in the twenties somewhere most likely. But you know,
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Speaker 2: they pay these guys the big bucks to figure it
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Speaker 2: all out, and the Rams have been a good example
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Speaker 2: recently of roster management, so maybe we shouldn't question it
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Speaker 2: too much. I suppose. I can't tell you how much
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you giving us so much time over the
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Speaker 2: last few weeks as we led up to the draft
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Speaker 2: and now here recapping it. Really appreciate your work and
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Speaker 2: your conversation, and we'll have you on again soon. Thank you,
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, sewn.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Devin Jackson. He has really been incredible all the way
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Speaker 2: up through the process and you can hear when he
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Speaker 2: talks about it how much he knows on every level
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Speaker 2: of the scouting process and these players in their evaluations.
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Speaker 2: So big thanks to Devin Jackson, NFL Insider, NFL Draft
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Speaker 2: Insider for hopping on