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Week 18 News & Updates + Would You Rather | Fantasy Hockey Podcast · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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  Five of our Bound Banger Management Fantasy hockey
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  That was a good one. It was a real good one, but it
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  Welcome into Bangor Management, the fantasy hockey podcast with
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  Jake, Josh and Kevin. Today is our Week 18 news
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  updates and would you rather episode.
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  It's not enough pressure. I mean, it's actually crazy.
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  I mean, last episode, I think at the end of it, I mentioned that
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  like if you've been listening for a while and you haven't
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  Discord actually reach out. Was just like, you know what?
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  Every day you guys are answering my questions and I hadn't rated,
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  so I'm just gonna go do that. So to those people, we really
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  It's week 18 of the Fantasy August season.
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  discord, don't be. It's literally just like
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  And that's the stuff I'm excited for.
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  So you know. Yeah, and on that note, I feel
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  like all the Bangor management folk are really diamonds in the
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  haystack, so. Pretty good.
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  I'm noticing that we just have so much like just crazy
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  vocabulary that doesn't make any sense.
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  I think most of it is me. It's really, I think it is
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  because I don't English half the time.
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  But that's fine. I think people like it and it's
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  just, it's authentic, guys. I'm just, it's off the Dome.
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  It's whatever it is. No, it's I do it too, but it's
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  something more intentional. Actually, Josh, I remember
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  listening to that. I remember being like at the gym
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  and being like, wait, that's not the saying.
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  Like somebody commented on it and I thought that was funny.
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  Yeah, yeah. And also on that note, subscribe
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  you could definitely see all of these socials in the podcast
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  description. I think we're pushing the
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  subscribers on YouTube. Yeah, damn.
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  Yeah, in a in November. That was our first video.
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  That's pretty crazy. Yeah, guys, we love you.
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  Thank you for thank you for listening and for watching and
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  liking subscribe and and the works.
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  And let's begin with this really busy Newsweek.
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  Wouldn't think going into the Olympics but it's pretty
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  intense. Yeah.
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  And I will say also like prefacing this, we're recording
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  this like 2 days out of the, of the actual break.
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  The break is going to be like from the impression I'm getting
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  is it's gonna be like a mini trade deadline.
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  Yeah, because there's the roster freeze, which is starts at, I
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  don't think February 4th around 3:00 PM, which is about a day
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  and 1/2 from when we're recording this.
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  And the freeze lasts all the Olympic break.
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  Then we come back from Olympic break and there's only like a
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  week until the actual trade deadline.
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  So a lot of teams I think are going to be making some moves.
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  We haven't seen anything exciting yet.
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  So I mean, we got some good news for you, but no, like
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  blockbuster trades are Tommy Panarin still hasn't been moved.
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  You know, Stevens chagrin. Yeah, but but so like there's a
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  chance that this comes out and then you're like, wait, they
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  didn't cover this massive Artemy Panarin trade.
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  It's probably cause it happened after we recorded.
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  We wouldn't do that to Kevin or to you guys.
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  As much as possible but schedule wise and everything is just.
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  I can't believe when is not traded yet to be honest.
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  To me it's 100% happening before the Olympic break starts.
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  So in the next three days someone will recording this.
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  Now it's more like a day and 1/2 at this point, so it's pretty
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  excited. This is like Reddit or whatever,
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  whatever site you used to get your news, you know, like the F5
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  is like refreshed and just like you just refresh, refresh,
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  refresh every like the words is 1.
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  They have like those kind of I'm hearing rumors of this and then
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  you see like another person, like I'm hearing like shimmer
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  rings of this, you know, like just say the damn trade already.
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  Like we know it's happening and it'll be like this guy got
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  traded and it's like to where? And then like an hour later to
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  hear it's like, OK, what's the return?
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  You know, considerations like he's like piece by piece.
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  And then like sometimes like it could be over the course of an
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  entire day, you find out like 1 trade.
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  Anyways, let's get into some so we actually have SO.
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  Where? Where do we think he's gonna go?
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  Just out of. Curiosity.
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  We'll talk about that when we get to the Panera in bullet
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  point. Yeah, fair enough.
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  Yeah. Wait, do we have learned from
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  last time we do. OK, Cool, cool, cool.
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  Alright, so Barry Trotz is stepping down as the Nashville
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  GM, not health related. Everyone could, you know, I
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  think everyone immediately was like, Oh my God, he's he's
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  cooked, you know, and it's like, no, he said in his conference
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  like, no, I'm good. You know, I'm just not, not
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  great at my job. That's what you said, just in
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  different words. Yeah.
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  So I think that he just, I don't know, he decided that that he
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  was done. Yeah.
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  Retirement. I mean, that's super fair.
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  Like in any league other than in most jobs other than NHL, you
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  know, people are retiring, not doing something so intense at
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  such a late age, you know, like not Lou Lamore, Lamore Yellow or
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  anything. Morello Lamoriello.
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  Yeah. So, yeah.
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  So what do we think about? Does this have any fantasy
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  impact, or is this more just something interesting that
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  happened in the? League.
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  I think this has fantasy impact. I just don't know yet which way
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  it's going to swing because it's gonna be like, you know, he's
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  stepping away because he wants somebody else to take over this
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  next chapter of the rebuild type of thing, right?
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  Or it can be, we're so close to the playoffs, let's get someone
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  to actually know what they're doing to make moves for this
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  team to compete in the playoffs. That would be dumb, but I don't
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  want. To look at it, I don't think
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  that he so he's essentially he said he's like stepping down,
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  but he's gonna stay on until the next person has been his
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  replacement has been hired. And from what I'm seeing, like
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  their goal is to have someone buy the draft.
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  But I don't think that I don't know if I necessarily expect him
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  to be like immediately replaced. Like I think he's probably gonna
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  finish out the season. So and in that case, like, does
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  that mean that he's not going to be making too many moves because
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  he's like, it's not really my my job anymore, You know, like
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  this? I mean, he's not going to sell.
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  Some guys should sell. It's just the timing is so
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  crazy, right? Reporter treated like like.
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  Literally on a game day. So they're, they're playing
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  today and he's like, I'm out, you know, like.
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  That's just suspicious though. I mean, these people are not
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  stupid, right? They choose the specific day and
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  time for a reason. So we don't know what that
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  reason is just yet. I feel like we're gonna get a
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  clearer picture when we have more information.
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  But to me, it's just a smart thing for natural to do is sell
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  off the pieces that they can get value for and then start
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  building up the prospect pool again and retool or rebuild or
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  whatever you want to call it. But this team is locked down.
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  Playoffs. No.
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  So specific it is, yeah. It's extremely like, it's
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  extremely odd and like I don't know what it actually means, but
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  I think overall Nashville should be a seller and they can get a
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  pretty good return for the guys. No one knows what it means, but
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  it's provocative. It's wrong.
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  It's number one on our list. I mean, it's yeah.
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  So I agree with Kevin's assessment though.
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  Would you guys, do you have any like players that you're like,
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  OK, this directly impacts this player?
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  Like do you think like Stamkos, Marsha?
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  So like any of these guys, are they like more slash, less
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  likely to get moved or you're like, it's too ambiguous right
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  now? This is just something that
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  happened and to monitor. I mean, I think the guys who
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  need value for the STEM courses and the O'reilly's, these guys
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  become express sell highs in my opinion because I know they're
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  delivering, but I don't know, a move like this means something's
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  going to happen. And when something is going to
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  happen, there's uncertainty, there's volatility.
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  That means the risk goes up, the values go down.
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  So if these guys get moved, they're not going to be
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  producing what they're doing right now, in my opinion.
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  So while they're doing this right now and before the
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  uncertainty really kicks in, you get them off your roster.
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  Somebody in our Discord said they traded Stamkos plus
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  O'Reilly for Kill Makar to a team that was like, desperate to
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  make the playoffs. I mean, if you look at the
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  points and do the math, they're like, oh, you know, Marcar has
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  been a little bit slower and these two guys have been popping
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  off. Like if you're playing, you
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  know, like that, you know, I'm not gonna say it's a Taco.
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  League only time. People that really need quantity
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  of help I guess. And.
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  The only time that made sense is in the years when Stamkos was
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  elite and Makar was not yet old enough to be in the NHL.
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  That's what I would have made that trade.
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  And even then, if it was a keeper league, I wouldn't have
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  made that trade. Yeah, yeah, no, that's crazy.
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  I I think for before one last thing, I think the main person
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  that I think this changes things for is O'Reilly.
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  Everyone else, I think if their likeliness of getting traded is
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  the same as it was before this. But I know that Trots
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  specifically said I'm not going to trade O'Reilly unless he
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  wants to go, but O'Reilly doesn't have a no move clause.
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  So that was more of like he imposed one on himself.
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  If he's not the GM anymore, the next GM is 100% going to trade
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  O'Reilly. So I think that that's the one
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  person who who might get a big a big change here.
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  But yeah, as as Jake was saying, let's move on to the next one.
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  Elias Lindholm is out until the Olympics, until after the
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  Olympic break with an upper body injury.
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  Victor Arvidson taking a spot on power play 1.
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  I don't know yet if Linton was missing the Olympics because of
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  this. He just got placed on IR and
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  there's been kind of no news about it.
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  I think he's missing the Olympics.
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  And as a Lindhome owner I'm honestly like it sucks for him
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  and for the team but I'm just happy it happened now and not
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  after the Olympic break because now he has like 3 weeks to
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  recover and hopefully come back healthy after.
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  Yeah, he's been such a surprise this year overall, and he's been
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  a really good producer for your team.
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  And the truth is that we've seen it before.
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  Even though Fraser Minton has been on a decent tear, I still
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  don't think that anyone is replacing him this year.
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  Like, look, he's out stretches where he's been clear cell high.
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  He was a cell high on our Bilo cell high episode at the
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  beginning of the season. And then there's also been slow
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  stretches. But he's definitely been
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  dissenter to own not Marat. I can't even try or Minton for
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  any long term so this is a this is a big blow in a way though I
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  think it's almost the perfect timing fantasy wise.
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  Sucks for him of course, but like you said you got back a guy
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  with a stellar playoff schedule at the end of it.
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  Do you think it's an opportunity to buy in deep enough leagues?
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  Yeah, I mean, I like his playoff schedule a lot.
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  I think he could be underrated a bit, honestly.
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  Like the timing is actually kind of unreal because one is the
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  Olympic break, assuming he comes back healthy after the Olympic
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  break. It's great cause it's the
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  Olympic break. And Boston has by far the worst
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  schedule this week. They only have three games.
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  So I'm like, yeah, stash him on IR, get healthy, take your time
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  and then come back after the Olympic break.
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  And you know, I'll just stream someone with a way better
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  schedule. Was like literally twice the
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  games. But yeah, no, I think Bilo, it's
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  hard because people are like are smart about that.
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  You know, I've been trying to be a bit sneaky that were like
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  message people like for kind of like a week leading up to now,
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  you know, or a week or two being like trying to buy their injured
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  guys knowing that the Olympic break is coming and that that's
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  going to be a couple weeks of no games where, you know, even if
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  they're like 4 weeks away, that's only really like one week
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  when you have that break there, right?
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  But most people are seem to be pretty, pretty smart on it.
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  They're like, now guys are going to come back and miss like no
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  games. And I'm like, Yep, you got me.
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  But if you can't pull that off, it's great.
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  The way to go about it is if the opportunity is really there, if
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  these guys are on teams that are not in the playoff picture that
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  want to be in the playoffs, Like if the line home owner is like,
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  you know, maybe 16 make the playoffs in your league and he's
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  in like 8th place and he just lost Lynn home.
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  Then he has to make a call of like, do I wait to see if this
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  guy comes back or do I trade him to a team that's maybe in second
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  place and get something that I know is gonna be able to produce
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  for me? Like that's how you make those
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  trades happen. Because if the guy is like, Josh
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  is top of the standing, like he's not gonna sell in home for
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  nothing, right? So.
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  Yeah, on the note of the Bruins, Pavel Zacha is also out until
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  after the Olympic break with an upper body injury and Casey
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  Middlestadt gets his spot on power play one.
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  Someone said on our last episode or one of our previous episodes
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  that we weren't too hyped on Fraser Mint and even though he
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  was kind of popping off and look at that, the two top centres are
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  injured and he's still not power play 1.
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  I think I'm who got bumped off bridge last game.
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  These were the. Lions.
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  It's Geeky. Pasta McAvoy.
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  Arvidson Minton. For you, is that just what it
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  says on on on DFO or did you like actually check the last
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  game lines? Because I mean I.
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  Checked on DFO the those practice this morning so I
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  don't. Know maybe it's changed cuz I
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  don't think he was on it last game, but maybe it changed as of
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  this morning. But yeah, I'm still not.
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  It's just they're playing so many, so few games on this long
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  week and then I expect at least one if not both those guys to
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  come back after the break. So not too hype on it.
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  But as we record this like Boston over the whole Olympic
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  Brave Wiki teen, you have three games, so it's one before the
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  break and two after the break. There's way better guys that you
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  can stream given just the quantity.
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  Yeah. OK, let's go to the next one.
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  Red Marshall returned from injury but then got injured
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  again. Carter Verhaeghe is taking his
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  spot on power play one. Another chance to get Carter
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  Reggie off your team. Yay, guys, please trade him.
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  He's not gonna be powerfully one on this team is healthy like
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  even even without any possible acquisitions, whatever, he's not
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  power play one. But also it's Florida.
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  They're gonna convince like Panarin to come for league
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  minimum, you know, and like it'll be even harder for Frankie
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  to get power play 1. So I'm still firmly, I think
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  we're all still firmly believes that of the get for Hagie off
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  your team while he has value. Any opportunity to sell for you
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  with power play 1 value, you try to get him off your roster.
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  That's what you're supposed to do.
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  If you selling your roster, you have another opportunity to do
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  it. Don't miss it.
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  Yeah, they should treat them. Like they might.
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  Absolutely they might. Yeah, do you?
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  Do you, Do you like him? Slash goes.
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  Yeah, like if he goes to the Rangers and return some sort of
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  deal, right? I think it would be better on
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  the Rangers. Yeah, I think so.
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  First of all, they have a great playoff schedule, but anywhere
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  that he goes, I assume he's getting power play 1.
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  I think the only reason he doesn't have it in Florida is
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  just they don't like him there for some reason.
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  But like I don't think that's skill or merit based.
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  I think that's just they've decided in their heads he's not
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  the guy they want there and so he just never will be.
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  I think on any other team that's training for him, he's probably
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  going to be powerfully 1. Though.
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  For sure, yeah. But I mean, like, he's also a
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  really good player. Yeah, like.
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  He's a good player, yeah. OK, sorry, yeah, good player.
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  But I mean, I think he could be really good if he was given a
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  more opportunity. Like, I know Bennett's been
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  insane, but like for Hagie could be power play one over him like
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  on on another team and another like you won't let you know,
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  like, yeah, don't you put that in.
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  No, no, he absolutely won't be. I mean, like if the coach didn't
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  hate for Hagee, that's a completely reasonable thing to
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  do, but it's never gonna happen. I'm not saying that's a that's a
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  possibility. Anyways, yeah, get him off your
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  team. On the topic of Florida, Anton
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  Lundell is day-to-day with an injury.
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  Erod takes his spot on line one power play 2.
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  That's Evan Rodriguez. I honestly, Rodriguez, I kind of
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  liked his shots face off wins combo this year, but I've just
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  never really picked him up because I don't trust any points
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  production coming from him. So I've been looking for those
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  two things. I've picked them up multiple
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  times because the shots face offs are actually pretty great.
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  Like in an hourly specifically, there's nobody that shoots this
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  much on waivers besides Erod. I think it's his points should
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  be higher than they are. It's like with the deployment
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  thing with Sam Reinhart. He gets really good minutes then
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  he still averages like .4 points per game and it's just like it
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  was like .6. I could justify picking him up
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  but like .4 is stuff. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah, Let's move on to the next one.
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  Brian Rust was suspended for three games.
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  I originally had that Igor Chekov got a spot on power play
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  one, but now it's looking like it's Mantha.
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  So we'll I mean, that suspension is about to be done right.
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  So Russ is going to come back, he's going to take his spot
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  back. So it's not too not too
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  relevant. I was surprised by the
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  three-game suspension. I don't know about you guys,
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  seemed kind of out of nowhere. It was, I mean it was like a
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  head contact. So they have to like be strict
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  about it. Not surprised.
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  I think one game but. Yeah, no, that's I'm not
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  surprised he got suspended. I'm surprised three games for a
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  guy who like doesn't have like a prior history of like being a
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  dirty player and like and look like you tried to murder him or
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  anything, you know? But I think they also take it.
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  Into words like less how? Hurt the other guy got and like
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  best was like missing a lot of times.
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  So I think they're like, OK, well we got the slap on the
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  wrist. Gotta be a little a little
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  harder. That's fair.
• 16:32
  Not like it's gonna change how many points he was gonna get
• 16:34
  over that time. Period.
• 16:35
  But I will say though, Brian Rust was my bi lo on this last
• 16:39
  episode. If you listen to it, it was in
• 16:41
  the cell high section, but it was actually a bit low.
• 16:45
  Viewers on their toes. Yeah, but I think I think as he
• 16:49
  comes back, like he could actually really heat up.
• 16:52
  So yeah, this this timing is really good.
• 16:55
  Since he got suspended, I think it added to the buy low right
• 16:57
  now. If you're listening to this, go
• 16:58
  check the Brian Rust manager and see if he's lowering the
• 17:00
  standings. You might still have an
• 17:01
  opportunity even if he's higher. I think the production has been
• 17:04
  so low that you can swing a good deal.
• 17:06
  I would really be looking to do that.
• 17:08
  And then Chekov, honestly, he's climbing up my watch list.
• 17:11
  Like the guy keeps producing when the limited minutes he's
• 17:13
  getting, I feel like he's due for better situation or better
• 17:16
  deployment than just minutes and that could be interesting.
• 17:19
  Yeah, recently showed the why it's been.
• 17:22
  All over it was holding him down.
• 17:24
  It was anchors and. Exactly.
• 17:26
  Do we have aerodynamics first, making the playoffs?
• 17:29
  We won't dive too much into this, but I think there's
• 17:31
  something else. It's crazy.
• 17:33
  Yeah, what a what a turnaround day.
• 17:35
  Yeah, I mean, throughout the whole season, I feel like it's
• 17:38
  been like they can't keep getting away with this, you
• 17:40
  know? And then like at a certain point
• 17:41
  it turned into like, well, yeah, obviously making the playoffs.
• 17:43
  Look who in their division, you know, you realize that.
• 17:46
  Like, I don't necessarily think they're that like, amazing.
• 17:48
  I think just everyone else in the division sucks.
• 17:51
  Easy. Like, look at like, like, third
• 17:54
  place right now is the Islanders.
• 17:55
  Islanders are not a playoff team.
• 17:57
  Washington has decided to be as bad as I've said they should be
• 18:00
  for the past two years. New Jersey, Yeah, Jersey.
• 18:03
  I don't even wanna, you know, get in on that.
• 18:05
  Like Jack Hughes, you know, bubble boys injured again, like.
• 18:08
  Bubble Boy. I mean, I mean he should be
• 18:12
  Bubble. Bubble wrap.
• 18:14
  Yeah, exactly. Philly, whatever.
• 18:17
  No, no surprise there talk. It just is toward a rela 2.0
• 18:20
  Yeah. And Columbus, actually.
• 18:23
  Columbus playoffs, I feel. Like, yeah, like I think they're
• 18:27
  the second best team in the division at this point after
• 18:29
  Carolina. Like, OK, now I gotta get
• 18:30
  Pittsburgh some respect for what they're doing.
• 18:31
  So let's say like Carolina, Pittsburgh, but Columbus should
• 18:34
  be the third one there. Pittsburgh just such a different
• 18:36
  beast once that they got Tristan Jarry off the roster and
• 18:39
  replaced him with somebody that's actually.
• 18:40
  Good Skinner's. Sick.
• 18:41
  I know, actually. Like do you think he's actually
• 18:44
  been insane? Yeah, it was a great really.
• 18:46
  Sally said it was we said it was a fleece for Pittsburgh just
• 18:50
  getting out of Jerry and getting any value in return.
• 18:52
  So the fact that they actually got, you know, value who's
• 18:55
  turning out to be good is just unreal.
• 18:57
  So yeah, no, definitely do think they're making the playoffs.
• 18:59
  Alright, here's the bullet after mentioned bullet point.
• 19:02
  Our tummy Panarin is being held out for trade reasons.
• 19:04
  He's played his last game as a New York Ranger.
• 19:07
  Alexis Lafreniere taking a spot on power play 1.
• 19:09
  Alright, let's let's get yeah, although he put up a three-point
• 19:13
  game against me, so everyone that that was once on my team
• 19:17
  that I play against goes nuts. But but no, I'm still not not
• 19:20
  too hype on him, although maybe maybe, I don't know.
• 19:24
  I still don't think he's good. But but yeah, Panarin, where is
• 19:27
  he going? So front runners, I I'm seeing
• 19:31
  Washington as a strong possibility.
• 19:34
  Yeah, Florida's in there. Although I have no idea how they
• 19:37
  would make it work with the cap. It seems like Canarian only
• 19:39
  wants to play somewhere. I mean, yeah, he only wants to
• 19:42
  play somewhere he could sign an extension.
• 19:43
  So and I think a lot of the teams are only willing to trade
• 19:46
  for him if he's willing to sign an extension.
• 19:48
  So that kind of works out on both sides.
• 19:49
  But Washington? I've been seeing Detroit.
• 19:52
  I think like, you know, hymns. And not all the teams.
• 19:55
  I think Washington specifically wanted the extension but no
• 19:58
  other teams for sure would rather rent.
• 20:00
  I mean, on the latest 32 Thoughts episode, Elliot
• 20:02
  Friedman said the teams that are in that are serious about giving
• 20:06
  him an extension are Washington, LA.
• 20:09
  Once they figure out if they're blowing it up or not, Philly,
• 20:13
  Florida wants to see if they can make it happen.
• 20:15
  They just have to figure out the cap.
• 20:17
  And then teams like, yeah, San Jose, but he said San Jose was
• 20:20
  like less, less likely because they don't know how much you
• 20:22
  have to pay celebrities. So it like it adds to that but.
• 20:25
  I feel like billion dollars still have.
• 20:26
  I think they have the most cap room in the NHL this year.
• 20:30
  So I feel like you can figure that out.
• 20:31
  You know what I mean? And they're, they're wasting a
• 20:33
  bunch of money, just hit the cap floor.
• 20:34
  Like they're like Jeff Skinner and John Klingberg, you know,
• 20:37
  like an actual salary when they should put like not be getting
• 20:40
  league men, but they just signed them to that so they could hit
• 20:43
  the cap floor. So yeah, they have the space.
• 20:45
  But getting Panarin, as fun as it would be.
• 20:47
  And look, I think he makes any team better because he's still
• 20:50
  an incredible player. He doesn't help them get NHL
• 20:53
  defence level defenseman right, San Jose specifically.
• 20:55
  It's just not what they need. They have a lot of good.
• 20:57
  Wingers. I mean, they do and they don't.
• 20:59
  They have a lot of like wingers that are passable.
• 21:02
  I feel like a lot of their wingers are kind of like, it's
• 21:05
  kind of like Chicago situation, right?
• 21:06
  Like a lot of like possible names but nobody knows *.
• 21:10
  Star No. I feel like Will Smith star no,
• 21:13
  for sure, no. I'm not saying that he's not
• 21:14
  gonna make the team better. I just don't think he's what
• 21:16
  their team needs. Respect the offence as well.
• 21:20
  If they're going to spend the assets and salary cap on
• 21:23
  something like a big swing, it should be a defence when it
• 21:26
  shouldn't. Be no big defence out there was
• 21:27
  doggy and doggy didn't want to go there so.
• 21:30
  Yeah, well, you gotta you gotta, you know, knock on some doors,
• 21:33
  make some phone calls and figure something out.
• 21:34
  But like, if you if you have like only X amount of money they
• 21:37
  should be spending that that Exxon on defensemen.
• 21:39
  Like they have like I'd rather make do with the wingers they
• 21:43
  have like they have Will Smith Aklin to Foley and they have a
• 21:46
  bunch of random guys who like have gone through really hot
• 21:48
  stretches, like Turner show was really hot Regenta, you know,
• 21:51
  like they have guys who can play.
• 21:53
  Well, look, I'm not saying this is the most exciting, like
• 21:55
  Stanley Cup winning wingers or anything like that.
• 21:56
  Like eventually maybe, like, you know, they might need to acquire
• 22:00
  1, but they have a bunch of young guys who can grow into it.
• 22:02
  They don't have anyone in defence really who could like
• 22:05
  grow into it. They're gonna need to eat like
• 22:07
  either their future draft picks that haven't happened yet or
• 22:11
  they need to acquire someone. So I mean, look, I mean, they
• 22:13
  might do it. I still think it would be hype
• 22:14
  for me as a celebrity owner, but I just don't see it being San.
• 22:17
  Jose, I assure you that defence, like their defence is weak and
• 22:19
  they need better defence. But I disagree and that I I do
• 22:23
  think that a star forward like that is, is still absolutely
• 22:26
  necessary. I think they really need both
• 22:28
  and I think right now they have the opportunity.
• 22:30
  To get one. Also, the age just doesn't fit
• 22:32
  their window at all. I mean, yeah, how do you think
• 22:34
  parents gonna be $8 sign dollar sign next season or?
• 22:38
  Not next season, but I don't think they're thinking, really.
• 22:41
  They can make the playoffs this year.
• 22:42
  You imagine you make the playoffs.
• 22:45
  Yeah, they're not gonna win the Cup.
• 22:47
  I mean, they're gonna win the Cup, but still making the
• 22:49
  playoffs. They huge for their for their
• 22:50
  journey, you know. Why are you spending a ton of
• 22:52
  assets and a ton of money on a guy who's like win now now when
• 22:55
  your plan is to win in like 2-3 years?
• 22:57
  I think. And that's gonna when his
• 22:59
  contract is gonna look the. Worst, I think when your team is
• 23:01
  young like this, getting playoff experience is super valuable.
• 23:03
  It also shows the team that you're invested and that you're
• 23:05
  making moves forward. Imagine being like, we're not
• 23:08
  gonna make the playoffs until we're ready to win the Cup.
• 23:10
  Like, you can't plan it like that, you know?
• 23:12
  I don't think they need Panera to make the playoffs and I don't
• 23:15
  think parents gonna like like maybe he gets them an extra
• 23:18
  rounds, which is sick, but like it.
• 23:20
  Makes your team better teams. The players around him learn as
• 23:22
  well. I I I still.
• 23:25
  Think price is going to be a lot Yeah look, it'll make their team
• 23:28
  better and I think it would be super hyped to watch Panera and
• 23:30
  celebrity just like whip it back and forth.
• 23:32
  But yeah, we'll see what happens.
• 23:33
  I don't think they're talking about my Yeah, they're not.
• 23:38
  They're not top on my word. I expect him to go list.
• 23:40
  Like if I had to guess #1 I'd say Washington.
• 23:43
  That seems to be the one. The one I'm hoping for the most
• 23:46
  is I think Washington. I've been seeing a lot more than
• 23:49
  Detroit. And the one I'm hoping for the
• 23:51
  most, but I don't think it's gonna happen is LA.
• 23:54
  As a Darcy Kemper owner, I would literally cry tears of joy and a
• 23:58
  brand Clark owner. Like it would be just the dream
• 24:00
  come true. Power play.
• 24:03
  Kenny's not good of a player, you know?
• 24:04
  Absolutely. Although knowing Jim, Hillary
• 24:06
  probably put him in power. I would love for him to go to
• 24:11
  Florida or Washington. I think those or a San Jose.
• 24:14
  I think those are my like preferred destinations.
• 24:17
  I think LA is not a, it's not a horrible destination.
• 24:20
  I think Philly, I'd be super disappointed if you went to
• 24:22
  Philly. Philly would suck.
• 24:24
  Philly was literally like like talk.
• 24:26
  It's like I think on my list, I think.
• 24:27
  You need my list. We're talking about the naughty
• 24:30
  or nice list. No the the Rod Brandamore list
• 24:35
  for coaches who can't read Good. What is this?
• 24:44
  A centre for ants. You have to explain the
• 24:50
  reference for everybody that doesn't get it.
• 24:54
  That's it. Water Movie.
• 24:58
  Alright, that's alright. Yeah, let's move on that our
• 25:01
  time. Panera is so hot right now but
• 25:03
  yeah. He's really good at hot.
• 25:05
  Exactly. Alright Marty Niches Jakies
• 25:09
  signature sick is day-to-day with a lower body injury.
• 25:13
  Val Nichushkin takes a spot on line one power play one.
• 25:17
  It's just day-to-day. I think he might.
• 25:18
  I think he's probable possible for the next game or in two
• 25:22
  games. He already got ruled out for the
• 25:23
  next game, so not too long term of a thing.
• 25:25
  I wouldn't worry about it too much.
• 25:27
  Yeah, I also think Colorado is kind of like ramping down as
• 25:30
  they lead into the Olympic break.
• 25:31
  I think a lot of their top players are more focused on that
• 25:34
  than the games at hand. It seems like because this is
• 25:36
  the worst stretch we've seen from them.
• 25:38
  The Habs like brutalized them, if that.
• 25:40
  That was awesome is the word. But yes.
• 25:44
  It is a word. Butler head pulled the trigger.
• 25:48
  That's what oht my God. Yeah, so, so but one, one other
• 25:57
  thing, I guess we could Panera and go there to the ABS.
• 26:00
  I don't know, because they can't give them term.
• 26:02
  Abs and Abs and Dallas get ruled out when he wants to and they
• 26:06
  can provide term. Dallas can only provide term if
• 26:08
  they don't want to sign Jason Robertson, but they're not ready
• 26:10
  to make that decision yet, so. Why would you take Canarian over
• 26:13
  Robertson when Robertson is just younger?
• 26:15
  Parents better. Not significantly enough to
• 26:19
  like, make me want to. I'd rather have Robertson on my
• 26:21
  team since like 8 years than than Panera and signed to like
• 26:23
  five years. Fair.
• 26:26
  Yeah, and they don't have to trade for Robertson.
• 26:27
  They could just sign him. They would have to give up
• 26:29
  assets. Yeah, right.
• 26:32
  I'm sad to see him under. Sorry.
• 26:33
  Continue. He'll be back, don't worry.
• 26:36
  Hey, yeah. See you alright.
• 26:39
  Big squishy leanness. Almark returned from his leave
• 26:42
  of absence and will get most of the starters this season.
• 26:45
  He came back, had one really strong game.
• 26:47
  People are like, should I be buying Hallmark or whatever?
• 26:49
  You know, and it's like you should have bought him before
• 26:51
  that strong game. You know, like that was now is
• 26:54
  not the time. He had one amazing games that
• 26:55
  his entire last month average is like a perfect, you know, like
• 26:59
  score. So like, if you can still buy
• 27:01
  him on the fact that he you know, if people aren't the
• 27:04
  owners, like I held him all year and he sucked and he had one
• 27:06
  game, but I don't buy it, you know, and you can buy him load
• 27:09
  then yeah, I like I like his rest of season outlook, but I'm
• 27:11
  not paying for him at the price of that one.
• 27:13
  Really. That game he had?
• 27:15
  Yeah, but this is just a tail to show that the Senators are like
• 27:19
  this is a team that, you know, they're far away from the
• 27:21
  playoff Patriot feels like, but this is a thing that could go on
• 27:24
  a run and push to make the playoffs.
• 27:27
  And I think all Mark, if that happens, would be a fantastic
• 27:29
  goalie. Like he was a top 10 goalie
• 27:32
  going into the season. Like people, that's what we were
• 27:34
  ranking him. That's what the projections were
• 27:36
  just so happened that, you know, his play was significantly awful
• 27:40
  dog Waffle and the team around them also was a dollar sign.
• 27:45
  Dollar sign go. Yeah.
• 27:47
  Yeah, he, you know, he actually has a really decent record this
• 27:49
  year despite being bad in the percentages.
• 27:53
  I thought it was worse than it was, but I'm looking at this,
• 27:55
  it's 15-8 and five. That's really not a horrible.
• 27:57
  Record, yeah. Yeah, it's similar win
• 28:00
  percentage as to what he had last year.
• 28:01
  It's just that his percentage has been horrible.
• 28:03
  So given the fact that auto was managed and I know like you
• 28:06
  said, Kevin, it looks kind of out of reach, but they're tied
• 28:10
  with the Panthers other eight points behind the.
• 28:15
  Saver each but it seems. Not out of reach, but I don't
• 28:18
  see it happening. It's less about the actual
• 28:20
  points amount. It's about the number of teams
• 28:22
  in between them and that spot specifically in our division,
• 28:24
  the Atlantic, right? Like Tampa is a lock.
• 28:26
  Detroit and Buffalo are both looking unreal.
• 28:28
  The haves are looking unreal. That's what four teams in your
• 28:32
  division already that are looking really, I don't want to
• 28:34
  say a lot, but are looking really, really good for
• 28:36
  playoffs. So at that point, you're the
• 28:38
  best you're going to do is second wild card.
• 28:40
  And then there's the whole other division to worry about.
• 28:42
  Not that they're good, but you know, you got like who's been
• 28:44
  solid and then like Washington, I expect to make a push at some
• 28:47
  point, especially they acquired. I'd say I don't think they make
• 28:49
  the playoffs, but I do think they'll be good rest of season
• 28:51
  and be competitive. I feel like every single team in
• 28:55
  the Atlantic would make the playoffs in the Metropolitan.
• 28:58
  Yeah, literally. One, I also don't wanna get
• 29:02
  ahead of myself and count Buffalo as a playoff team just
• 29:06
  yet. I feel like we've seen enough
• 29:07
  from them to know that like, let's not get ahead of ourselves
• 29:09
  here. With Buffalo they're like 23 and
• 29:11
  1. I know like 24 I know, but it's
• 29:13
  the Buffalo. Until I see them make the
• 29:15
  playoffs, I will not believe it. I mean, yeah, the last time
• 29:19
  Buffalo made the playoffs, I was, I think, 12 years old.
• 29:25
  Down. Maybe 30, maybe 13.
• 29:30
  We do have breaking news as we move into the next the next
• 29:34
  bullet point, but Sam Bennett hurt not will not return to
• 29:38
  tonight's game. Josh, what the heck?
• 29:43
  Talk. OHSU Frank.
• 29:47
  It would be lovely on that power play.
• 29:49
  Totally over Bennett in another world, I swear.
• 29:54
  What the absolute belief is going on?
• 29:57
  They had that kind of power. My opponent's entire team
• 30:00
  wouldn't be getting healthy right before playing me, I
• 30:02
  promise you that. As as we're recording this
• 30:06
  happened so we don't know if it's like it's serious enough to
• 30:09
  help hold them out for the rest of the game, but there's one
• 30:11
  period left without also like also.
• 30:15
  The Olympic breaks about to come up.
• 30:17
  Like you know he misses the rest of the week.
• 30:19
  So when he broke his leg is there's a three-week Olympic
• 30:21
  break. Yeah, Vatican broke his leg, was
• 30:24
  it last year? And then came back like a day
• 30:26
  later and it was like Russian machine don't break, you know?
• 30:30
  Only break a little. Yeah, exactly.
• 30:32
  He's like, now I have three leg. This is this is a bleep show.
• 30:37
  I am so sad. I really hope that this doesn't
• 30:40
  end up as bad as I just felt it was.
• 30:43
  Yeah. Well, it'll be fine, don't worry
• 30:45
  Kevin. Just trying to mess with you.
• 30:46
  I just saw the notification that I repeated exactly what it said.
• 30:51
  Alright, let's get into all the players on my opponents team
• 30:53
  this week. Anze Kopitar returned from
• 30:55
  injury after months away and is playing line 2 power play 2.
• 30:59
  So I mean at least I'll take that.
• 31:00
  Do we expect him to get back power play one at some point?
• 31:03
  Even if he doesn't, cooperators was not the same guy.
• 31:06
  Like he's got no category coverage, he's only got face off
• 31:08
  wins and the points are not always there so.
• 31:11
  They're gonna say he's got no character.
• 31:13
  Though he's got character, he's just got no category of coverage
• 31:16
  for bangers leaks. He's Doo Doo.
• 31:19
  Yeah, he, I, I don't like him for fantasy at all, but I do
• 31:23
  like him for what it's gonna bring to the rest of the Kings.
• 31:26
  Him not being. There Kemper.
• 31:28
  Yes, yes, I think it can. I think it's gonna.
• 31:31
  Be OK just to have one help, Darcy.
• 31:34
  Your veteran presence, the captain back.
• 31:37
  I would expect better things from paper moving forward.
• 31:40
  I would love for that to be true.
• 31:41
  I don't think it works. That I agree with.
• 31:45
  Alright, on to another player on my opponents team.
• 31:48
  Troy Terry returned from injury after months away and is playing
• 31:51
  line 2 power play 2. So that one he actually was
• 31:54
  playing that I had pretty bad deployment before the injury.
• 31:58
  And the coach just he's just seems to have fallen out of
• 32:00
  favor with the coach, which is nuts because he's like over a
• 32:02
  point for game on the season and like coach puts him online for
• 32:04
  and he produces. Coach puts them on, you know,
• 32:06
  power play too and he produces. So I've always been a huge Troy
• 32:10
  Terry fan. I'm going to suspend that for a
• 32:11
  week while I play him and then I'll go back to being a huge
• 32:13
  criteria. But it is frustrating if you're
• 32:15
  an owner right where you see this like deployment, like who's
• 32:18
  getting power play one over him, you know, like it's just makes
• 32:20
  no sense. So I do think that this could
• 32:23
  last longer than you'd be happy with because like I said, it
• 32:26
  happened before his injury as well.
• 32:27
  It's not like an easing him in type of thing.
• 32:29
  So it is a bit annoying but I still like holding him because I
• 32:32
  think he could still be over or around a point per game .9
• 32:35
  points even with the bad deployment.
• 32:36
  But this puts him in the waiver wire conversation for a lot of
• 32:40
  leagues, in my opinion. Like you can pick up, you know,
• 32:42
  we talk about sometimes Jared McCann, like it's been a while,
• 32:44
  like he's been on fire. But on Mason Marchman, I feel
• 32:47
  like that's a genuine conversation right now between
• 32:49
  him and Troy Terry. There are similar level of
• 32:51
  players and the difference is the quality of the team and the
• 32:53
  deployment that they're getting. If one line one Part 1, other
• 32:55
  ones line 2, power play 2. I'm gonna refer to guys line
• 32:57
  one, power play 1. Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:00
  But I don't think he's like an automatic drop either.
• 33:02
  He came back line 2 property put up two assists.
• 33:05
  You know, like he still he finds a way.
• 33:06
  Off the Dome, Would you rather rest of season Troy Terrier?
• 33:09
  Patrick Kane. Oh that's a really that's how
• 33:12
  you can have been so bad as a cane owner.
• 33:14
  But he got power play 1 back. But the fact he lost it to JVR
• 33:18
  means it's very sketchy deployment.
• 33:21
  But Criteria doesn't currently have the deployment I think.
• 33:26
  I think I feel safer with Terry, but I think Kane has the higher
• 33:29
  upside, if that makes sense. I think Kane shoots a lot more
• 33:31
  like when he's on, he's on and like the power play is a lot
• 33:34
  better on Detroit. My main worry with Kane is
• 33:36
  obviously that he loses power play 1.
• 33:38
  I don't think he's gonna lose it to Jr. again, but I think
• 33:40
  Detroit might try and acquire another forward and clearly they
• 33:44
  are fine bumping Cane. So that's my worry with him.
• 33:46
  But just doesn't have the deployment without a trade, so I
• 33:49
  think. My point is also like Chain, we
• 33:51
  saw when he got bumped off power play once, he was like dot
• 33:54
  water, like not even roster Detroit terrorizing his still
• 33:57
  raw Serbal even without the deployment and he still has the
• 33:59
  upside of getting it back. So it's kind of like a floor
• 34:02
  versus ceiling type of conversation with some
• 34:04
  intricacies there. Jake, what do you think?
• 34:06
  I'm digging Terry. Yeah, I think the Yeah, I think
• 34:10
  that he I mean, you, you look like on the season he's still at
• 34:12
  a point where game despite all the nonsense.
• 34:14
  So I don't know, I feel as if yeah, as if with Kane, if they
• 34:19
  hadn't bumped him, I would think that he already has the respect
• 34:22
  of the coaching staff and everyone to not be bumped.
• 34:26
  But clearly it's something that can happen, and he's the first
• 34:32
  guy off to get. Someone yeah, the guys literally
• 34:34
  the best point getter US players ever and they're like Nah, Nah,
• 34:40
  James Van Reims, like in the year 2026, that's our guy, yeah.
• 34:45
  That makes no sense. Yeah, no, I think I'm with you.
• 34:48
  I'm going scary Terry as well. Alright, let's go to the next
• 34:51
  one. I group these together because
• 34:52
  we're on the same team. So a brief break from guys from
• 34:54
  my opponents team. Mason Mctavish returned from
• 34:57
  injury and is on line 3, power play 2.
• 35:00
  I just think this Ducks team is like like the deployment, at
• 35:02
  least it's going to constantly move and I don't really trust
• 35:05
  any of it. So it's like yeah, it's not fun.
• 35:10
  Like I thought that I thought that Quenneville coming would
• 35:13
  have the effect of early season ducks where they were just
• 35:17
  flying like it was a clear top power play.
• 35:19
  Their top guys were just nuts, you know, And then like after
• 35:22
  that kind of like new coach or whatever bump kind of faded,
• 35:26
  they've become kind of a mess of a team.
• 35:28
  And like one that I'm kind of like avoiding other than like
• 35:31
  feeling there's a lot of potential and a lot of bylaws
• 35:33
  there. Just the way that he like,
• 35:35
  messes around with the deployment is not something that
• 35:37
  I enjoy having steaks in. They're also including trade,
• 35:41
  and if that happens, I feel like it adds talent and add structure
• 35:45
  because, you know, whatever the plan will be will be line 1.
• 35:48
  Yeah, if that happens, they're also.
• 35:51
  Missing. They're winning, they're winning
• 35:53
  a lot of games and, and you're right, for fantasy it kind of
• 35:56
  sucks because it is a top 9. Leo Carlson is their top guy,
• 36:00
  and other than the fact that Ryan Paling had a monster game
• 36:04
  against me yesterday and flipped the faceoffs category, not
• 36:06
  happy. That's crazy.
• 36:09
  You're. Feeling.
• 36:11
  He did. He did.
• 36:12
  And I screwed. I said Dominic James.
• 36:16
  Yeah, it was. It was great.
• 36:18
  It flipped face off. I mean, I still had a big win,
• 36:20
  but not happy. All this to say, yeah, I think
• 36:25
  it's one of those situations that it's just going to be
• 36:27
  really tough to own anyone. But I do like Leo Carlson and
• 36:30
  Gautier when they come back. Not the same as they were
• 36:32
  performing at the beginning, but those are kind of the two guys.
• 36:35
  And anything outside of that, it's gonna be all over the
• 36:37
  place. Yeah, I agree.
• 36:39
  But I mean, even like with with gotta like you could see him on
• 36:42
  power play too, you know, like that's happened multiple times
• 36:45
  throughout this year. So like even though I still
• 36:47
  really like him because he shot volume is unbelievable.
• 36:49
  It's just kind of shows that like nobody's deployment is
• 36:51
  safe. The only one I think even Leo
• 36:53
  Carlson was on power play to at some point.
• 36:55
  I think there's literally no one who's safe in their deployment
• 36:57
  on this team. So other than Jackson Lacombe,
• 37:00
  but he used to be a forward. So you know, who knows what's
• 37:02
  going on there. That was defenseman.
• 37:04
  Yeah, he's also on USA. Lynn Hudson.
• 37:07
  How does that make any sense? Nobody.
• 37:09
  Knows it's yeah. Anyways.
• 37:11
  I think of Trump was the quarterback of Power Play 2.
• 37:14
  Like make it make sense. She was the goat, OK?
• 37:18
  You gotta make shots three games ago or something.
• 37:20
  It makes no sense. I mean, he's been shooting like
• 37:23
  a cannon like all season. It's actually been sick good
• 37:26
  times to be a true owner. Anyways, back to people on my
• 37:29
  opponents team who have been injured for months but are came
• 37:32
  in coming back just in time to play me.
• 37:33
  Victor Hedman returned from injury and playing line 3, no
• 37:36
  power play. But they're just using him in
• 37:38
  like, I'd be shocked if he's not power play to buy a game or two
• 37:41
  more. He only played like 10 minutes.
• 37:43
  Honestly. Like I wonder if they rushed him
• 37:45
  back so that he can play in the Olympics and maybe he's like
• 37:48
  because that kind of sketches me powerfully.
• 37:52
  Yeah, like 10 minutes of ice time.
• 37:54
  Line 3, no power play in like the Stadium Series, like massive
• 37:56
  game again, like in division versus Boston.
• 37:59
  It just like it could be just easing him in.
• 38:01
  But at the same time, if you need to ease him in at that
• 38:03
  extent, he probably wasn't fully ready to return.
• 38:06
  So I think there's something there.
• 38:08
  I think we might see that with a with a few guys where they might
• 38:11
  kind of like rush back a little to make the Olympics.
• 38:14
  I'm looking at like Landeskog also, I feel like he could have
• 38:17
  stayed out longer and he's not going to play before the
• 38:19
  Olympics, but he's gonna play in the Olympics.
• 38:20
  And I feel like just with how, you know, nothing's guaranteed
• 38:23
  with any tell players going to Olympics.
• 38:25
  It's been like 12 years. I think that everyone just wants
• 38:28
  to play, even if they're healthy or not.
• 38:30
  Jack Hughes, he's gonna play in the Olympics.
• 38:31
  He is definitely not healthy, I could tell you.
• 38:34
  That he said he feels good, lost a lot of heat so.
• 38:36
  Yeah, what else is gonna say? Oh, I don't think I should go to
• 38:38
  Milan because I'm actually extremely injured and my skin is
• 38:42
  paper and my bones are glass, all that yadda, yadda.
• 38:45
  You know, like, no, he's going to say I'm feeling great, I'm
• 38:46
  ready to represent the US and he's gonna pull a Matthew
• 38:49
  Patrick from the Four Nations last year and and cost them by
• 38:51
  playing injured instead of letting someone else go.
• 38:53
  Yeah, they bench Kyle Connor and then.
• 38:56
  Yeah. Those those whole showcall.
• 38:57
  But yeah, well, now this is, yeah.
• 38:59
  Now it's gonna be Jackie's playing with like half an arm
• 39:02
  versus Jason Robertson chilling at home and cold Cofield
• 39:04
  chilling at home. You know, like, yeah, yeah.
• 39:07
  Anyways, just to sum up my opponents to my opponents
• 39:10
  players, that's copyright. And Hedman.
• 39:13
  Yeah, for Hedman. Before we move on from Hedman, I
• 39:16
  am like a firm. I don't want him on my team at
• 39:20
  this point. Like we really fake.
• 39:23
  Sorry we are all turn Iping. Alternate voice.
• 39:27
  He is like actually so good and I I figured something out when I
• 39:33
  was watching the the Outdoor Classic this past weekend.
• 39:35
  It's cause he's all. Yeah, it's super aerodynamic.
• 39:41
  No, but what it is with him is that Kucherov, you know, plays
• 39:45
  on the right side and it's super easy to give Radish the one
• 39:48
  timers. Hedman's a lefty, it doesn't
• 39:51
  work the same. Obviously Kutra has been able to
• 39:53
  be sick no matter who he's played with and had been does
• 39:56
  have the pedigree, but I think that they've done so
• 39:58
  tremendously well with radish there this year that it's going
• 40:00
  to be radish spot rest of season.
• 40:02
  If you can sell Headman on him coming back I would because I
• 40:05
  don't and the name value I don't want him at all 0.
• 40:09
  He was a good stash when he was for free and you picked him up
• 40:11
  on waivers to see how it's going to shake out if you did that.
• 40:15
  I'm like, The thing is now you have to cut them if you don't
• 40:18
  want to activate them, right? So depending on your situation,
• 40:22
  that's most likely the case. Radish has been too good, guys.
• 40:25
  Is there a better defenseman in the league for fantasy than
• 40:28
  Darren Radon? It's actually nuts.
• 40:30
  I played against him last week and I got, I mean, first of all
• 40:33
  against Matthew Olivier and then also played against Darren
• 40:36
  Radish, which got overlooked. But he had the last four games
• 40:41
  he had. He has seven points in the last
• 40:44
  four games, three power play points and almost 20 shots.
• 40:49
  Yeah, How does that make any sense?
• 40:51
  That's crazy. Every night I wake up in the
• 40:54
  middle of the night in a cold sweat being like, I can't
• 40:56
  believe I didn't pick up Darren right now as honestly, like it's
• 40:59
  it's not. I was this close to picking him
• 41:01
  up, but because I had too many defensemen that week, I was
• 41:03
  like, oh, he's not. I'm gonna have to bench someone
• 41:05
  all week, so I'm not gonna pick him up.
• 41:06
  Headman's gonna be back next week anyways.
• 41:08
  Whatever, I'm over it. Except I never will be.
• 41:12
  We're gonna be talking about the three years from now, that time
• 41:14
  we didn't pick up Darren Radish. I mean, I remember this happens
• 41:18
  like every year the same way that 0G is the way to go,
• 41:21
  because there's every year there's at least one like
• 41:23
  breakout goalie that comes out of nowhere to pick up.
• 41:25
  Every year. I find that there's one unreal
• 41:27
  defenseman who comes out of nowhere.
• 41:29
  Most sider the year that he that he blew up, no one drafted him.
• 41:32
  He was like a nobody. You know, like Brock Faber had
• 41:34
  that one year, right where he was like actually unreal.
• 41:36
  And I'm. Thinking that this year but.
• 41:39
  Yeah, like there's always one stud defenseman that comes out
• 41:43
  of nowhere. And I mean, I've never seen it
• 41:45
  to this extent, although Slider was pretty sick that year.
• 41:47
  Like, yeah, this feels like different.
• 41:48
  And yeah, I always miss out. And every year I'm like, so I'm
• 41:51
  gonna look at every defensive inside I'll miss.
• 41:53
  Yeah, yeah. At least it was like a high
• 41:55
  pick, though Darren Radish is, is not.
• 41:58
  Young. Oh yeah.
• 41:58
  I'm pretty sure he's like in his late 20s.
• 42:00
  He's finally getting an opportunity.
• 42:02
  He's like, look, guys, I could shoot the puck.
• 42:04
  Can you give me like the best playmaker in the world, or at
• 42:07
  least top three? And Kucherov just like, give me
• 42:09
  the puck, like, I'll score. I promise.
• 42:11
  And he does. It it's crazy nuts.
• 42:14
  Actually insane. Anyways, all that to say, all
• 42:17
  three of the guys in my opponents team were out for
• 42:19
  months and they came back literally the day I'm playing
• 42:21
  them. There's something here, guys.
• 42:22
  I've been talking about this all season.
• 42:24
  I mean, these hands healed heal, you know?
• 42:26
  Anyways, let's keep going. Logan Thompson.
• 42:29
  Yeah, exactly. Pretty much.
• 42:38
  We need to put you in contact with Josh Doris, please.
• 42:43
  And you're just unlucky that I'm not playing you again.
• 42:44
  Or you guys don't get healthy. Alright, Logan Thompson is
• 42:49
  day-to-day with an upper body injury and Charlie Lindgren is
• 42:51
  on IR. So Clay Stevenson is the starter
• 42:54
  until Thompson returns. Thompson should return before
• 42:57
  the Olympic break, it seems. So they have this back-to-back.
• 42:59
  He's missing both, but then they have one more game before the
• 43:01
  break and he should be back for that.
• 43:02
  So you're only getting one start of Clay Stephenson.
• 43:04
  And that actually is happening as we speak right now.
• 43:07
  So I don't think anyone's going to be picking him up because of
• 43:10
  this. But but yeah, I think that is
• 43:12
  this another case of that someone rushing back for the
• 43:14
  Olympics. Do you think you could hang out
• 43:16
  a bit longer? You think that he's ready to
• 43:17
  come? Back, I think they're rushing, I
• 43:19
  think they're putting him on like off the ice for Olympics.
• 43:22
  I think he's the extra break is there, they're going to use it
• 43:26
  and that's it. Yeah.
• 43:29
  Do we think Washington makes the playoffs?
• 43:32
  I think they're gonna try. That's more than a lot of teams
• 43:34
  can say, but I don't think to make playoffs.
• 43:38
  Yeah. Unless they get a companion then
• 43:40
  I would seriously reconsider my my opinion, but as of right now
• 43:43
  it's not looking like that. Yeah.
• 43:45
  So you think it's it's basically Blue Jackets who are gonna be
• 43:48
  the third spot there? I mean the bonus is just a
• 43:51
  completely different team and before the better obviously so.
• 43:56
  Yeah, I think the Blue Jackets should alright you upl.
• 44:00
  Utopic Gaucin is out for about a week with a lower body entry.
• 44:04
  Alex Lyon will get all the starts until he returns sparring
• 44:07
  back-to-back. What do you guys think of Alex
• 44:09
  Lyon? I know, I know Jakey said that
• 44:11
  he's a he's the real deal. And what do you guys think of
• 44:14
  like the the split one URL returns.
• 44:17
  What do you think of the Buffalo as a whole?
• 44:18
  I know Kevin said he's not buying it.
• 44:20
  Like what do we? Whoop.
• 44:25
  If Josh Norris came back, I'd buy into it a lot more, but
• 44:27
  right now he's still on my IR and I will keep mentioning him,
• 44:30
  but Jackie said Alex Lyons a league winner and then Josh
• 44:33
  picked him up so. Yeah, I will say I was gonna
• 44:36
  pick him up before, Jackie said. That would.
• 44:38
  Force my beliefs. OK, Yeah.
• 44:41
  I first of all, I I'm flattered. So thank you, Josh, you
• 44:46
  dedicated manager, management, fantasy hockey listener for.
• 44:48
  Listening to. Everyday.
• 44:56
  Yeah, so to me to me this is A and I said this and I stand by
• 45:00
  it. This is the last big goalie
• 45:02
  pickup of the year. I think he's been so good.
• 45:06
  He's been on such a tear and I think that he is there better
• 45:10
  goalie and hopefully the coach realizes that.
• 45:14
  My idea here is that like when UPL comes back, line is still
• 45:17
  going to get quote the lion share, haha.
• 45:21
  But I also look, I don't know if they're gonna be making the
• 45:23
  playoffs, but they'll be in the in contention.
• 45:26
  Like I don't think they're just gonna go on some crazy losing
• 45:28
  streak like they have in years past.
• 45:29
  It feels different and it feels like it's been happening for
• 45:32
  longer, as Kevin alluded to earlier.
• 45:35
  I mean, I'm still I'm less all in on demos as you are.
• 45:40
  I I think Lion has been fantastic, but to me this is not
• 45:43
  a sustainable level of production.
• 45:46
  And I like calling them 6K. What happened to six Ki like 6K?
• 45:50
  Yeah, that's a good. One for instead of upl.
• 45:52
  I like saying 6K more, but still think he's a great goal.
• 45:56
  I think he's just as good as Lion, to be honest.
• 45:58
  And we've seen that because they've been splitting and they
• 46:00
  both been really solid. And I do think he has the edge
• 46:03
  just because of like he's been on this team longer and like he
• 46:05
  had the edge going into it type of thing.
• 46:08
  But Lion is fantastic. But I do think both of these
• 46:11
  guys slow down a little bit and that doesn't mean Buffalo stops
• 46:14
  winning. I just think the goalies are
• 46:16
  really overproducing and what they're putting on the ice and I
• 46:20
  don't think you run away with the amount of starts.
• 46:23
  So I'm not putting him in league winner status, but I do think
• 46:26
  he's a phenomenal stream right now.
• 46:28
  Yeah, He won't be a 945 as he has been for the past few games
• 46:33
  since he's gone back. But I still think, like, you
• 46:36
  know, 905 to 910 is attainable. And at that point, if he does
• 46:42
  get the majority, which I anticipate, it's not going to be
• 46:44
  a true tandem. I think he's going to get most.
• 46:47
  I'm very happy to have him on my team.
• 46:49
  I said I took Dominic. Doesn't feel like.
• 46:53
  I also feel like. Face off.
• 46:56
  I don't know if this is like like a thing, but like in the
• 46:59
  past when teams have done tandems, do they as you get
• 47:02
  closer to the playoffs, like let's say they know they're
• 47:04
  making the playoffs or whatever. Like do you find they start
• 47:06
  playing one of them more the guy they expect to be their playoff
• 47:09
  goalie or think they tandem it all the way till the end and
• 47:11
  then and then they just choose a goalie and go with?
• 47:13
  Them, no, no, They do the tournament to the end and then
• 47:16
  they get into the playoffs and they don't know what the F is
• 47:18
  going on and then they lose. That's what happens with tandem
• 47:21
  situations. We've had this conversation
• 47:25
  before. There was just like, you know,
• 47:27
  teams that run a tandem don't usually have one really elite
• 47:30
  guy, so they run the tandem because both can give quality.
• 47:33
  So it's like there's no teams ever won the cup with the
• 47:37
  tandem, but like the teams with tandems don't have elite goalie.
• 47:40
  So no team has ever won the league without an league.
• 47:42
  Yeah, but just imagine you're the 202425 Washington Capitals
• 47:47
  and you have a very good goalie on your hands.
• 47:49
  Another, another OK goalie. And you know what?
• 47:51
  We're going to do a tandem. So they do a tandem and then the
• 47:54
  entire year they finish with like an amazing record.
• 47:57
  I think what they didn't win the President's Trophy, but they.
• 48:00
  Still, they like finished you. Know yeah, they finished second
• 48:03
  and then they get into the playoffs, they're like, I don't
• 48:04
  know what the heck is going on. And then the next year they
• 48:06
  decide to play a better goalie more frequently and lo and
• 48:11
  behold, could have done better last year if they just played
• 48:15
  Logan Thompson is. One.
• 48:17
  No lone behold. They're doing terribly this
• 48:18
  year. Yeah, you're just because you
• 48:21
  had Thompson last year when he was amazing and he was.
• 48:23
  Like where the games, but they had a better team.
• 48:26
  They had, they had PLD and stuff, you know, all the sources
• 48:29
  of Beast, but that's whatever. Yeah, that's alright.
• 48:32
  Let's keep going because we're dilly dallying a bit much here.
• 48:37
  Morgan Riley is day-to-day with an upper body injury, gets power
• 48:41
  play one while he's out. That's something with not tough
• 48:44
  thing, but the thing with all these day to days going into the
• 48:46
  break is that by the time the breaks over, they're going to be
• 48:48
  healthy again. So it feels like there's not too
• 48:50
  much to say about a lot of these days.
• 48:52
  It just gives the opportunity to stream these other guys.
• 48:55
  Yeah, for like half a week. Yeah, like one or two games.
• 48:59
  That's great. Yeah.
• 49:01
  Willie Styles William Nylander returned from injury and is
• 49:04
  aligned to Power Play 1 bumping Matthias Micelli off Power Play
• 49:08
  1 Unsurprisingly, are we still fully Do we expect Nylander to
• 49:13
  be back to like 1.2 finish the season?
• 49:16
  What do we expect him to points wise?
• 49:18
  Points per game wise rest of the season.
• 49:20
  I wasn't at the high like to, but I still think it's gonna be
• 49:23
  solid. I think it's gonna be more
• 49:24
  closer to like a point per game though.
• 49:27
  Alright, he had five shots first came back.
• 49:30
  That was one of the the kind of L's of his season so far was the
• 49:33
  the shooting volume. But if he gets that back, I mean
• 49:35
  his points were kind of unreal all season.
• 49:37
  So I think he's 1.2. I think so too, yeah.
• 49:41
  I mean. He I've been trying to buy a
• 49:42
  little so much. Yeah, the manager is not in the
• 49:45
  playoffs anymore, said. Yeah, he, he's definitely, uh,
• 49:50
  since he flipped off the camera there.
• 49:54
  That's awesome. Good.
• 49:56
  Yeah, well, got real mad but. It's crazy.
• 50:00
  Why would you get mad at that? No, I mean, I don't care.
• 50:05
  made-up a ball, they made him apologize.
• 50:08
  Like, lest we forget, William Nylander got a goal and an
• 50:11
  assist and one shot on goal in 2 minutes and 17 seconds of ice
• 50:14
  time. Insane peaceful rest of season.
• 50:17
  Yeah, it's for 60. That continues.
• 50:21
  It's yeah, but I'm also thinking 11.1 to 1.3 in that range.
• 50:28
  Yeah, OK Jack Hughes is day-to-day with a lower body
• 50:32
  injury. Connor Brown taking his spot on
• 50:34
  Power Play 1. Is anyone shocked?
• 50:40
  Gosh, I think Jack Hughes is our most popular name on these news
• 50:44
  episodes because it's Jackie's injured.
• 50:46
  Jackie's healthy. Jackie is injured.
• 50:48
  Snip, snap, snap. No, it's a disaster.
• 50:52
  I'm not surprised at all he is. He's totally made of glass.
• 50:56
  Do you guys avoid him in the draft next year?
• 50:59
  Yes, I will not be avoiding him in the draft next year.
• 51:03
  I'm getting ready to be heard again.
• 51:06
  Maybe because I don't have it on him this year.
• 51:08
  Don't forget I drafted Brady could Chuck and Vincent Trocheck
• 51:10
  who never get hurt and both of them missed two months this
• 51:13
  season. So, you know, like.
• 51:16
  You have some guys who just like, like, I know certain
• 51:19
  point, you know, like when do you, when do you just admit
• 51:21
  like, cause I've always been of the opinion that as long as
• 51:24
  there's no lingering effects of previous injury, I don't like
• 51:27
  carrying about it. But at a certain point it's
• 51:30
  like, when do you just feel like, OK, you know what?
• 51:32
  This guy is guaranteed getting injured this year.
• 51:35
  I don't know, I feel like he's getting close to that territory.
• 51:38
  No, it's crazy. He's played one full season.
• 51:41
  And by full I still mean like he missed three games, so not
• 51:44
  really. And then other than that, he's
• 51:46
  missed at least 20 games every season.
• 51:50
  That's a lot. That's yeah.
• 51:52
  I suppose the COVID year was a full year, but yeah, he's really
• 51:57
  just cannot stay healthy. He'll get he'll be above a point
• 52:00
  per game if you ever stays healthy.
• 52:01
  I'm assuming he could get 110 points which is awesome, but
• 52:05
  like next year depending on the landing spot if I have a Panarin
• 52:08
  or Jack Hughes. Why are you picking Jack Hughes?
• 52:11
  Right. Yeah.
• 52:12
  I think if he drops because of that injury concern, that's when
• 52:16
  you take him. But like if you have him where
• 52:18
  you're like, if he was healthy, he'd be the best player here,
• 52:20
  but not by like that much, then maybe you just go with the safer
• 52:23
  bet who's like, you know, instead of, you know, 1.2 points
• 52:27
  per game, the guys like 1.15 or one point, you know, like I'll
• 52:30
  just take the the slightly worse guy who's gonna stay healthy
• 52:33
  more likely. Barring the playoff schedules
• 52:36
  being super different next year, I'm still going to take Jacques
• 52:39
  over. I'm going to take them over
• 52:41
  Nylander. I'm still going to take him over
• 52:42
  Panera, and I'm still gonna take him over Kyle Connor.
• 52:45
  I'm still gonna. Take if you're in that spot.
• 52:46
  If you're in that spot, like late 1st, early second round,
• 52:50
  and you get to see your turn and the UC Jack uses the best guy
• 52:53
  available, you're gonna take. You're gonna use your first or
• 52:55
  second round. Pick it all, still take him.
• 52:57
  I'll be really happy if it's an early second round pick as
• 52:59
  opposed to a late first round pick, but I feel like we'll have
• 53:02
  to see how the board shakes out. Obviously there's still a lot of
• 53:04
  good quality players depending how deep league is, but at the
• 53:08
  end of the first round, like we played A-14 team league, like if
• 53:11
  he was picked 13 or 14, like I'm not gonna hate it.
• 53:13
  OK, I mean, I I'd like to say I would do the same, but I've
• 53:17
  started to, I think for me, just like my least favorite part of
• 53:20
  fantasy is when all my guys are injured and feels like it keeps
• 53:22
  happening the last like year or two.
• 53:23
  So I'm trying to like minimize that, but obviously.
• 53:26
  It's so random, right? So I'm saying like I dropped a
• 53:28
  Brady and I dropped the project. Hasn't missed a game in like 5
• 53:31
  years, missed two months. What am I imagine?
• 53:35
  Like I skip Jack Hughes because I think he's gonna get hurt.
• 53:37
  He doesn't end up getting hurt. And obviously we know we're
• 53:40
  living it right now. He's hurt.
• 53:42
  He literally got hurt at dinner this year, guys.
• 53:44
  Yeah, putting a stake in something.
• 53:45
  Happened yeah so yeah I mean I will say to your point, a guy
• 53:50
  that I've drafted every single year until last year was Zach
• 53:54
  Werenski and every year he would get injured season ending injury
• 53:57
  until last year I was like, you know I'm not going to take him
• 53:59
  and then who grabs him? Jakey and what does he do he
• 54:01
  puts up the best year of his career and immediately becomes a
• 54:04
  top three fantasy defenseman doesn't get injured.
• 54:07
  You know, so like I, I get your point.
• 54:09
  You know the upsides there on these guys and if you if you
• 54:11
  overthink it, you can end up missing out.
• 54:12
  It's. Easy to say when you're in the
• 54:13
  moment or after the fact. Of course, Jack use gets her
• 54:16
  together type of thing. But like, yeah, Mark Stone this
• 54:18
  season, like, I know he's missed time, but he's been insane.
• 54:21
  That's true. It's very true.
• 54:23
  Yeah. Alright.
• 54:25
  Robert Thomas had a minor leg procedure and should be back
• 54:28
  after the Olympic break. Do you guys think he's a bill or
• 54:31
  are you staying away? What do you think is the deal?
• 54:33
  Can you turn this season around? Can be close to point per game
• 54:35
  again. I'm happier to buy little now
• 54:38
  that I can IR stash him if I'm being real, and I'll have to
• 54:41
  hold like the performances on my roster, but it's slow.
• 54:47
  It's I'm not giving I'd rather fancily rest of season.
• 54:51
  I think we had this conversation a couple of weeks ago and I
• 54:54
  think it was the episode Josh means.
• 54:56
  I forget if Josh was on the family side of the Robert Thomas
• 54:58
  side, but. I want fantilli.
• 55:02
  Yeah, I thought you were gonna go Robert Thomas, but you
• 55:03
  weren't Fantilli after we spoke about it after the fact.
• 55:06
  But that's the type of thing like Robert Thomas should not be
• 55:08
  an out those conversations, right?
• 55:10
  Like he should be way higher up the up the rankings, but this is
• 55:13
  just not the year he could get traded.
• 55:16
  That's not. Possible.
• 55:17
  I think there's any chance he gets traded.
• 55:18
  I think that it's all BS. I think it's all just smoke and
• 55:22
  I'll just blowing smoke in the bathroom.
• 55:26
  Ohkay Smoke. Yeah, no, I think it's just,
• 55:31
  it's just Doug Armstrong just, you know, kind of like messing
• 55:34
  with people. And he's like, yeah, for the
• 55:35
  right price, I'll trade him. The right price is like what
• 55:38
  Quinn Hughes got or something, you know?
• 55:39
  So like, I don't see him getting moved.
• 55:41
  I wouldn't bank on it if you're trying to buy low.
• 55:43
  If you're buying low on him, it's because you believe in him
• 55:45
  turning it around in Saint Louis.
• 55:46
  Yeah, I don't think that's necessarily gonna happen.
• 55:49
  Lastly, Carrillo Marchenko is day-to-day with an illness.
• 55:54
  Ken Johnson would take his spot on power play one if he misses a
• 55:56
  game. Again, these day-to-day, it's
• 55:58
  also an illness. I just think there's an illness
• 55:59
  going through Columbus locker room.
• 56:01
  So something to keep an eye on for this coming.
• 56:03
  I wouldn't stream a Columbus guy for this before the break.
• 56:07
  Monahan just missed some time with an illness.
• 56:08
  Now Marchenko might miss some time is the thing where you pick
• 56:11
  up a guy and then he's out like like a minute before the game
• 56:14
  starts because of the illness. So I would just avoid that.
• 56:16
  I thought of when you said, oh, there's the illness is going
• 56:20
  through the those lock remote like, oh hell, this like.
• 56:27
  I know you're gonna say that you were like, hoping it hits
• 56:29
  Matthew. Olivier don't know.
• 56:31
  I mean, it should hopefully. I think I saw a report and said
• 56:33
  like, he's battling the illness but he's OK enough to play and
• 56:37
  score against my fantasy team. Yeah, of course.
• 56:40
  Well, he knew it was an important week.
• 56:41
  Yeah, you scrap the. Yeah, let's get into the would
• 56:47
  you rathers. All right, I've been looking
• 56:51
  forward to this. I, I spiced up the order.
• 56:54
  So if this is the first time you guys are listening to a news and
• 56:57
  would you rather episode I cover 5 positions for these, Would you
• 57:01
  Rathers, senator, defenseman, goalie, left wing, right wing.
• 57:04
  And I try to split the difference between Jake and
• 57:06
  Josh, have them pick separate players.
• 57:08
  I try to find the line of where the player values are.
• 57:10
  So it's just a good conversation to know like first of all, for
• 57:12
  like trades and just like player value rest of season, we're
• 57:16
  always talking in Bangor leagues and we're always talking without
• 57:18
  faceoff wins unless we specify would face off wins.
• 57:22
  I usually start with the forward positions, but I kind of wanted
• 57:24
  the inverse order today. So we're starting with.
• 57:27
  Goalies. And if you guys like the way
• 57:29
  Kevin spiced it up, give us a five stars on Spotify or Apple
• 57:33
  podcast, wherever you get your podcasts.
• 57:34
  Yes, you're listening this far in.
• 57:37
  We're like an hour into the podcast.
• 57:38
  We're about to cover the you would you rathers.
• 57:40
  If you're listening, this part means you like what we're
• 57:42
  saying. That means you should rate US
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  If you're watching on YouTube, give us a subscribe, give us a
• 57:48
  thumbs up, all that good stuff and leave us.
• 57:51
  Leave us a comment in the comments about who you would
• 57:54
  pick in these, would you rathers?
• 57:55
  I want to know if I can split difference between the viewers
• 57:58
  as well. That would be cool.
• 58:00
  But we're talking goalies and this is a hot conversation.
• 58:03
  Maybe I was too polarizing here, but would you rather rest of
• 58:08
  season? If he says Jack leaves, I'm
• 58:10
  gonna lose my mind. You wish no Connor Hellebuyck or
• 58:16
  John Gibson rest of season. Did I go too low?
• 58:21
  I mean, nobody wants to hear about anymore, guys.
• 58:24
  I'm going. I'm going Gibson.
• 58:26
  Ooh OK, did not go low enough. Yeah, I think that Detroit is
• 58:31
  the real deal this year. I think that Gibson is one of
• 58:35
  few goalies who gets as much volume as Halibut does, and.
• 58:39
  He's squishy. He's definitely squishy, but we
• 58:41
  were just talking about that, you know, he's, he's healthy
• 58:44
  now, so no reason to to go into it.
• 58:46
  Halibut, the one who's been out for like was out for like a few
• 58:48
  weeks earlier this year. So yeah, at this point, look, I
• 58:52
  I still think that I like halibut for volume and he's
• 58:55
  going to get a lot of saves. I don't expect Winnipeg to have
• 58:57
  some miraculous turn around. I think they just are poop this
• 59:01
  year. And yeah, exactly.
• 59:05
  And and yeah, I think that just now Helibus being carried by his
• 59:08
  name value, but it's late enough in the season where I'm ready to
• 59:11
  to call it. I'm not targeting him in trades
• 59:12
  anymore. Hmm, thank you.
• 59:15
  How do you feel? I think.
• 59:17
  Guys, tell me how you really feel, Connor.
• 59:19
  Helpless Gibson was honestly my first instinct here and the
• 59:26
  reason is like all the things that you said and I totally
• 59:28
  agree. Definitely I believe in Detroit
• 59:31
  more rest of season over Winnipeg.
• 59:34
  But I think that when it comes down to it is going to get the
• 59:37
  majority of the starts and I do expect them to get more volume
• 59:40
  than Gibson and also similar, you know, percentages, but less,
• 59:46
  probably less wins. That's what I think.
• 59:49
  And I I totally get where you're coming from with Gibson.
• 59:51
  I got 100%. But Gibson's been known to be
• 59:54
  like pretty inconsistent in his career.
• 59:57
  So it's more of a referendum on him and less so like, I think
• 1:00:02
  that Winnipeg is gonna turn it around.
• 1:00:04
  So I'm gonna give the slight edge to hello, Buck here.
• 1:00:06
  I think you went. Like you didn't go too low.
• 1:00:09
  It's a perfect, it's a perfect question because it's like I'm a
• 1:00:15
  tiny percentage away of thinking Gibson, like maybe one more game
• 1:00:19
  of hell about being a bus. And I'm like, yeah, you know
• 1:00:21
  what? I'm out.
• 1:00:22
  But as it stands, at this exact moment of the recording, I'm
• 1:00:25
  gonna go hella buck still. Oh, um, I think I'm also going a
• 1:00:32
  smidge on, on the John Gibson side just because I, I do think,
• 1:00:37
  wow, I, I do think hello. No, no.
• 1:00:40
  But honestly, it's like, ask me tomorrow and maybe I'm going the
• 1:00:43
  other way, you know? Yeah, don't tell my girlfriend,
• 1:00:46
  but. Smoke.
• 1:00:52
  Illness, What are you doing next?
• 1:00:56
  Next episode on heated driveway. I just think Detroit's a really
• 1:01:01
  good team and I think Winnipeg is not a good team this year.
• 1:01:04
  And the I think the winds are going to be big enough of a
• 1:01:09
  difference that the quality will will make Brown bridge that gap.
• 1:01:14
  But it's tough because, I mean, Given has been playing a lot of
• 1:01:17
  games. He could get hurt hella, but
• 1:01:19
  could get hurt. But to me right now, I think
• 1:01:21
  Gibson is a safer choice. And with goalies, it's so
• 1:01:24
  volatile. Like it just it's week by week.
• 1:01:26
  The whole landscape changes it feels like.
• 1:01:28
  But I think right now I'm going Gibson.
• 1:01:31
  For me with like Halibut, the way I see it is his main asset
• 1:01:34
  now is that is the volume. And if you show me another
• 1:01:38
  goalie like Gibson who has that same volume and is just on a
• 1:01:42
  better team, I'm gonna go with that guy because I really think
• 1:01:44
  that hella bucks. Like, I don't expect his rate
• 1:01:46
  stats to be that great. I don't expect him to get almost
• 1:01:48
  any wins. He's going to play a lot.
• 1:01:50
  He's going to be in front of a lot of pucks.
• 1:01:52
  But I think there's a lot of goalies that probably be
• 1:01:54
  surprised that would take over. Hello Bucket at this point.
• 1:01:57
  That's great. Jack Reeves.
• 1:01:59
  Yeah, No way. Wow.
• 1:02:02
  I mean that makes. You feel good.
• 1:02:03
  I mean, the second that that that he starts getting more
• 1:02:06
  start. Like if it's 5050, I'm going
• 1:02:08
  Hello, Buck. OK, so but I think grief should
• 1:02:10
  take the starts from Elvis. So I'll I'll take a step back
• 1:02:15
  and it's 5050. I'm still going halibut.
• 1:02:16
  But if Grieves is getting more started.
• 1:02:18
  For him. OK, so wait, where's the line on
• 1:02:20
  the book? Now I gotta figure this out.
• 1:02:22
  Hey, are you have? To do this one, any volume
• 1:02:25
  starter on a team that's like, I think it's a lot better than
• 1:02:29
  Winnipeg taking over. Hallmark.
• 1:02:32
  That's a tough one. I don't know if it was that much
• 1:02:34
  better than Winnipeg. I think they're better.
• 1:02:36
  I think they're better. I think Ottawa's better.
• 1:02:39
  But we've seen what the goal is can do on Ottawa so.
• 1:02:42
  Yeah, it's tough because they can be the type of team that
• 1:02:45
  could win games, but like he can have worse right stats than
• 1:02:48
  hello Buck. So yeah, that's a close one.
• 1:02:51
  I'm actually I'm not certain right off the top of my head,
• 1:02:53
  but honestly, I'd probably go all mark just I think he has the
• 1:02:56
  like I think Ottawa can be a good team.
• 1:02:58
  Winnipeg. I have no hope in this season.
• 1:03:00
  Now watch, I'm gonna crazy Saint Louis run or something.
• 1:03:02
  You know, after I say all this. What about Dustin Wolf?
• 1:03:04
  Last one I'll ask. No, I'm going to help.
• 1:03:07
  OK. They're split.
• 1:03:09
  We're splitting starts on a team that's worse than one of.
• 1:03:11
  Kevin do one or two a bit higher so that professionally I
• 1:03:16
  actually, yeah, no, I'm taking hella look.
• 1:03:20
  I'm taking Bob. Bob has also been just bad in
• 1:03:24
  terms of the percentage. Of Florida at least wins games.
• 1:03:26
  Yeah, that's the that's the main thing.
• 1:03:28
  What about Joseph Wall? Hollaback.
• 1:03:31
  Halibut, yeah. OK, alright.
• 1:03:34
  Well hopefully that was helpful, but I think this is this was a
• 1:03:37
  good conversation. I think it was needed like no
• 1:03:39
  help was a bylaw for us for a long time and I think he did
• 1:03:42
  bounce back a little bit, but it's just Winnipeg is just not
• 1:03:44
  there this year, so we gotta reevaluate.
• 1:03:46
  If you have hello bug, do you think you can even trade them?
• 1:03:50
  You could probably get do you think plus and be like any
• 1:03:53
  opportunity to buy? Value.
• 1:03:56
  Yeah, you can still trade on. I mean they're.
• 1:03:59
  They're. They're 5, three and two over
• 1:04:01
  the last 10. And also like they're really not
• 1:04:04
  that far out of the playoffs guys.
• 1:04:05
  Like I know they I don't think they'll make it.
• 1:04:08
  I had them finishing fifth. I stand by that.
• 1:04:10
  But also like they have the Predators and the Mammoth to
• 1:04:13
  beat out that impossible, no? Nice.
• 1:04:17
  I'm I'm surprised I didn't realize they were they were
• 1:04:19
  doing decently. There 51 points on the season.
• 1:04:21
  Nashville is 56. Utah has 60.
• 1:04:25
  They just suck though. I know, I don't know.
• 1:04:28
  I hear you. I hear you.
• 1:04:29
  But he's still, I think we we have to give him a bit more
• 1:04:32
  respect. Like I get where you're coming
• 1:04:34
  from, though. Gibson was like probably the
• 1:04:35
  closest one of all the ones we mentioned, but yeah.
• 1:04:39
  It's still Connor Hellebuyck, didn't he?
• 1:04:40
  Could make us look like Dum Dums.
• 1:04:42
  For sure not me. I'm I'm yeah, not not drinking,
• 1:04:45
  but I wouldn't be surprised if I went a bit hard on that one.
• 1:04:48
  I don't even own him, so I don't know why I'm so like yeah, like
• 1:04:51
  so against him. I just like.
• 1:04:52
  I'm just like. Yeah, I think it's your money go
• 1:04:54
  to buy him for so long that you're finally fed up with it
• 1:04:56
  and you're just like not buying them.
• 1:04:58
  That definitely could be it. All right, well, this next one
• 1:05:02
  might be just as polarizing. Would you rather rest of season
• 1:05:06
  most cider or Darren Radish bangers league don't forget.
• 1:05:13
  This is great because it's making us it's making us
• 1:05:15
  reevaluate a lot of our intakes from earlier, which, and I think
• 1:05:18
  you have to I think like if you you can't just stick to your
• 1:05:21
  takes as it gets proven kind of wrong, unless you're like, OK,
• 1:05:26
  you know, sometimes you stick to your guns, but a certain point
• 1:05:29
  you have to readjust and look, I'm going radish and I know that
• 1:05:33
  might be absolutely insane, but it's been.
• 1:05:36
  If you look at the numbers long enough, production.
• 1:05:39
  That's it's like and also like some of these guys who are these
• 1:05:43
  bangers beasts, they actually been underwhelming at bangers.
• 1:05:46
  You know, we talked about McAvoy on our on our Vilosell high
• 1:05:49
  episode, right, but he's been amazing at points.
• 1:05:51
  But bangers aren't there. Dalens another one amazing at
• 1:05:53
  points. Bangers haven't been there.
• 1:05:55
  Cider hasn't been amazing at points and the Rangers aren't
• 1:05:58
  there. Like he blocks a lot and he
• 1:05:59
  shoots an OK amount like where the hits, you know, like I
• 1:06:03
  drafted him this year to be that like kind of all around
• 1:06:05
  defenseman and it's at this point it's a lot of name value
• 1:06:07
  carrying holding that weight, right.
• 1:06:09
  So and I think that if Detroit trades for any defenseman like
• 1:06:13
  they could, he get bumped off power play one a lot easier than
• 1:06:15
  radish can, which is kind of insane to say all that say I'm
• 1:06:18
  going radish and it if you would, I would never say the
• 1:06:21
  beginning season should have been like who is Darren Raddysh?
• 1:06:23
  So. So the only guy that's been a
• 1:06:27
  beast for bangers, I think that was drafted to sort of be do
• 1:06:30
  both was weaker and his points of sucked.
• 1:06:33
  So you're right, like there's no combo guy this year.
• 1:06:35
  It's actually quite disappointing.
• 1:06:37
  I mean, that's why those are super valuable, because there's
• 1:06:39
  literally like two or three of them usually, and this would
• 1:06:41
  have even been reliable. Can you think of 1 like?
• 1:06:44
  I mean, I can't like, I can't like.
• 1:06:49
  McAvoy was the one that. Flew off for like those.
• 1:06:51
  Two weeks to say other. Yeah, Jacob.
• 1:06:54
  Truth. Know what everybody was like?
• 1:06:55
  Oh he's back, he's the GOAT and we told everybody to sell high
• 1:06:58
  and then he was like a drop for like 2 months.
• 1:07:01
  Yeah, and then he got dropped in our league and I grabbed him and
• 1:07:03
  he's been sick and now. He's.
• 1:07:04
  Yeah, So I'm going with Mr. Aerodynamic himself as well.
• 1:07:11
  Darren Raddysh over here, he's just been unbelievably good.
• 1:07:15
  And I think that no matter how strong Detroit is, the offensive
• 1:07:21
  potential that he has, just because Sauder is a great
• 1:07:24
  overall defenseman, but the offensive potential that Radish
• 1:07:27
  has just way higher than I think what Cider has.
• 1:07:31
  If Cider is Bangor Cats were stellar, it would maybe be a
• 1:07:35
  question mark. But I mean, like his hits have
• 1:07:37
  just been like really not it at all over the last 30 days.
• 1:07:41
  Cider has .79 hits per game. Like what?
• 1:07:45
  That's nothing. That's like, yeah, like fill the
• 1:07:49
  no numbers type thing, you know, like that's not special at all.
• 1:07:53
  So could you? It's way better.
• 1:07:56
  Radish has hits have been better.
• 1:07:58
  His shots have basically been double of cider.
• 1:08:02
  And like this is like a long sample size.
• 1:08:04
  Obviously Radish is due for some negative regression and Cider is
• 1:08:09
  due for some positive regression.
• 1:08:10
  But at the end of the day when it comes down to it like other
• 1:08:14
  than the blocks I think every other category is going in
• 1:08:17
  radishes way. Yeah, it's it's honestly crazy
• 1:08:21
  that we're here right now because Radish was, I mean, I'm
• 1:08:24
  ready to say he's like to pick up of the season like I think so
• 1:08:27
  people, people. Picked up.
• 1:08:28
  Think about a decade. People picked up, it was Frank
• 1:08:32
  Nazar. The first few for the first
• 1:08:34
  month of the season felt like people were like oh he's the
• 1:08:36
  league winner. We didn't buy into it.
• 1:08:38
  Leo Carlson was a league winner for a long time.
• 1:08:41
  Like he got drafted in some leagues but not every league.
• 1:08:43
  Think Darren Radish. What he's doing from the
• 1:08:45
  defenseman position is just is insane.
• 1:08:48
  And I there was always the what if Hedman comes back?
• 1:08:52
  But if Hedman comes back, like Hedman is back and I think
• 1:08:54
  radishes just doing he got even better and better and better.
• 1:08:57
  I don't know how you don't know. You don't go with this guy.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah. Who?
• 1:09:02
  Who can I just say who's the better defenseman fantasy than
• 1:09:04
  Darren right now? Who would rather have Makar for?
• 1:09:06
  Sure, Shard Macar, Quinn Hughes. Ruski, those are the four names.
• 1:09:10
  That's it. Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:09:12
  I think I'm on the same page. Dalene.
• 1:09:15
  Yeah, Dalene. OK, I don't even know about
• 1:09:17
  that. I mean.
• 1:09:19
  I've been crazy. No, it's a really good points
• 1:09:23
  always. Well, there's been.
• 1:09:25
  Yeah, but like, just cause, like just cause of like the name
• 1:09:28
  value there and like, I trust Dolly to maintain it more than
• 1:09:30
  Radish, so. But I mean, if you tell me
• 1:09:32
  Radish is gonna finish the season better than Dolly and I'd
• 1:09:34
  be like, I could see that. Yeah.
• 1:09:35
  I just I take Dolly for the safety.
• 1:09:38
  Yeah, I'm not the same. And like there is the small risk
• 1:09:40
  that it had been does take it over, but I think that is so
• 1:09:43
  tremendously unlikely that I don't want him on my team as we
• 1:09:45
  said. So yeah, if you have, I think,
• 1:09:47
  radishes. If you have Quinn Hughes or you
• 1:09:49
  have Bouchard and your playoffs are week 21 to 23, are you
• 1:09:52
  looking to flip them for their radish given the better playoff
• 1:09:55
  schedule from Tampa? Or is that?
• 1:09:57
  Tourist like a big if you get a big plus, what if you like it?
• 1:10:01
  Would what if you could trade Bouchard for Darren Raddysh plus
• 1:10:03
  Drake Batherson? No, I don't think that's enough
• 1:10:08
  really to make it happen. I think I would.
• 1:10:10
  I think I would do that. OHP really.
• 1:10:12
  Yeah, yeah, I feel. Like years of like Bouchard
• 1:10:14
  hasn't been. Absolutely.
• 1:10:15
  Yeah, it's darn Radish is insane, has a better playoff
• 1:10:18
  schedule, and Batherson has a great playoff schedule.
• 1:10:20
  That's a .85 points per game player.
• 1:10:22
  You're not picking out waivers. But Bouchard also is like, OK,
• 1:10:26
  it's Bouchard. He's playing insane, but we also
• 1:10:28
  expected him to be a top three defenseman.
• 1:10:30
  Like you gotta get you gotta get enough value for like even
• 1:10:34
  though the numbers look the same, the gap in like, you know
• 1:10:37
  where they were expected to be. Like if Bouchard was performing
• 1:10:41
  like Cider is, then I'd be like, yeah, you know, you can do the
• 1:10:43
  one for one and like be happy if the person will do it off name
• 1:10:46
  value. But like, with the way he's been
• 1:10:47
  doing, you should be able to get more than that.
• 1:10:50
  The point of the the point of the trade is to be like, look,
• 1:10:53
  I'll I'll sell, I'll buy Darren Raddysh super high.
• 1:10:56
  I'll give you a defence bin who's doing just as good as him.
• 1:10:59
  And it's supposed to be doing this well, you know, but you
• 1:11:01
  have to give me a big plus in return to make it worth it.
• 1:11:04
  I think you could do better than Batson as the plus because.
• 1:11:06
  But if you have. To buy low, right?
• 1:11:07
  Now if you have radish, why am I giving up so much extra value to
• 1:11:11
  move to Bouchard when radish has arguably been better for
• 1:11:14
  stretches? Well, it's because you picked up
• 1:11:16
  radish off free agency and you're like, I don't know when
• 1:11:19
  this ride is gonna end. I'd rather just cash in on the
• 1:11:21
  on the cell. High.
• 1:11:22
  I just think it's the guy. He's kind of cemented his
• 1:11:24
  position and like you're gonna have to, you can't get as big of
• 1:11:27
  a plus on to him. He's not a waiver wire get as
• 1:11:29
  hot. He's like an actual top five
• 1:11:30
  defenseman. Yeah, I just feel like at that
• 1:11:33
  point I'd rather just hold Bouchard.
• 1:11:35
  I would do the trade. I would Thorson radish plus
• 1:11:37
  brotherson. Batherson is a concept.
• 1:11:40
  For everyone listening, yeah. Yes, he's a real person, but we
• 1:11:45
  simply mean like a player with high potential currently
• 1:11:49
  underperforming although like he's had.
• 1:11:51
  Really pretty good. Yeah, but like, honestly, I
• 1:11:53
  guess there was like, yeah, on the season exactly.
• 1:11:56
  Like somewhere near a point per game, good shots, heads combo
• 1:11:58
  with a good playoff schedule. Just to say, it doesn't always
• 1:12:01
  have to be Drake Batherson. Yeah, if you see someone, people
• 1:12:03
  are annoying. They can't be.
• 1:12:06
  It just flows off the tongue so well.
• 1:12:08
  All right, let's talk about wingers.
• 1:12:10
  This is for right wingers I guess, but would you rather
• 1:12:14
  Travis connect me or Adrian Kempe rest of season?
• 1:12:18
  Wow. OK, let me take a second.
• 1:12:21
  Because I can't just keep rushing into the guy who's been
• 1:12:24
  doing way better. And they're both very.
• 1:12:26
  Good as of late, so it's a good. Thing that's been on fire, he
• 1:12:29
  just played against my fantasy team, so he's been pretty off
• 1:12:32
  the charts. Both their names start with a K.
• 1:12:36
  That's really a big. Factor Connect.
• 1:12:37
  The Kempe, Kevin. My God, just that the names
• 1:12:43
  don't lie. Jake, you can go first on this
• 1:12:47
  one. All right, you know what I I
• 1:12:51
  think? I think I'm gonna go connect me
• 1:12:54
  here. I think it's kind of a very
• 1:12:58
  similar archetype of player. I believe in LA's bounce back,
• 1:13:02
  but I think to just connect me himself can really do like a lot
• 1:13:06
  of valuable things. He's got the short handed point
• 1:13:10
  which campaign is not gonna have.
• 1:13:11
  That's definitely like, you know, something in his favor
• 1:13:15
  that's consistent year in and year out.
• 1:13:18
  And also the Pimms I know as of late can be technically has
• 1:13:22
  more, but on the season, you know, Connect Me retired at .85,
• 1:13:27
  which I actually find surprising.
• 1:13:28
  I just think the points are going to be better.
• 1:13:30
  The peripheral categories are going to be comparable and then
• 1:13:32
  you add on the short handed points and it's just to connect
• 1:13:34
  and you win. But it's like you're splitting
• 1:13:37
  feathers. It feels like similar
• 1:13:38
  archetypes. So close.
• 1:13:40
  I think that it's super close as well.
• 1:13:43
  I think it's a it's a really good one.
• 1:13:44
  Kempe started really, really slow, but he's been heating up
• 1:13:47
  Connect. He's been on absolute fire
• 1:13:49
  lately. I don't think I know I'm not a
• 1:13:52
  fan of either of these power plays, so I don't trust either
• 1:13:54
  of them to be sustainable or enough of a difference.
• 1:13:57
  Shorties is a big one if you, but a lot of leaks don't count
• 1:14:00
  that shots going Tempest favor hits go and connect these favor
• 1:14:04
  Pimm's go and connect these favor and connect me has a
• 1:14:08
  better playoff schedule than Kempe, and I think that's that's
• 1:14:11
  enough to sway me in his direction.
• 1:14:13
  It's a it's a one game difference, but I think there's
• 1:14:16
  a solid off night difference as well.
• 1:14:17
  So I think that that helps me go with the with connecting.
• 1:14:21
  Yeah, I mean, this was so, so tough.
• 1:14:24
  I was hoping, I suppose the difference here, but to me this
• 1:14:27
  just feels like the one that we're like, it's so close, but
• 1:14:29
  Connection has been hotter, so we're leaning there.
• 1:14:32
  But give it a week and connecting slows down a little
• 1:14:34
  bit and company keeps it going. And then it would be like,
• 1:14:36
  alright, obviously Adrian Kempe was drafted higher, people
• 1:14:39
  drafted in like third round. And mostly I think Connect is
• 1:14:41
  more like a fifth round kind of guy.
• 1:14:43
  Um, so he has more of the draft pedigree, but the usual
• 1:14:46
  difference there is the shots like I think, I think camp
• 1:14:48
  usually has like around .6 to .7 more shots a game, which is
• 1:14:52
  noticeable when you're putting feathers, but.
• 1:14:56
  Yeah, it's for Connect me. They're they're both hit around
• 1:14:59
  the same amount. OK, last month connecting is .6
• 1:15:02
  more. Last season, on the average it
• 1:15:04
  was 1.2 Kempe 1.15 connect me so I'm like I'm.
• 1:15:07
  OK, same. So it's pretty much the same.
• 1:15:10
  Exactly. So it's kind of just like to me,
• 1:15:12
  this comes down to which team do you believe in more?
• 1:15:14
  What are the other factors that let you split the difference?
• 1:15:17
  Playoff schedule is a huge one. I think power play is a big one.
• 1:15:21
  Artemi Panarin. I was gonna.
• 1:15:22
  Say. I can.
• 1:15:23
  Both of their names are in it, right?
• 1:15:25
  So like Philly and LA? Maybe I'm just being naive, but
• 1:15:27
  I feel like first of all, if connected go, if Panera goes
• 1:15:30
  either of these teams, I feel like that's a huge boost for
• 1:15:33
  whoever else is on that team. So like big boost for
• 1:15:35
  connecting, boost for campaign if it happens.
• 1:15:37
  But there's a part of me that believes that Ellie's parable
• 1:15:41
  has more room to grow than Phillies.
• 1:15:42
  Like Phillies. I'm like not expecting things to
• 1:15:44
  change. Whereas LA like we're all like,
• 1:15:46
  it shouldn't be this bad type of thing, you know, So if you like,
• 1:15:49
  there's more runaway for Tempe as potential growth, but it's
• 1:15:54
  tough. I had to connect.
• 1:15:56
  I traded them away. So I feel like.
• 1:15:58
  Big mistake. Ahead, I'm just like, oh, did I?
• 1:16:02
  Did I do the right? Thing.
• 1:16:03
  No, you're fine. You're fine.
• 1:16:05
  I'm gonna go Kempe. I'm little Kempe.
• 1:16:07
  I just feel like I have enough of the proven product of him
• 1:16:10
  being better in recent years that it's so close right now.
• 1:16:13
  But I'm gonna give him the benefit of that finishes season
• 1:16:15
  stronger, alright? So I think I, I agree, I said
• 1:16:19
  I'm still going connecting. But I agree what you said about
• 1:16:21
  the power play potential. LA definitely has more I think
• 1:16:23
  talk It just kills offence. Yeah.
• 1:16:25
  Yeah, three choices. And so far, actually, Darren
• 1:16:29
  Radish, we were all on the same team.
• 1:16:31
  But yeah, so far at least, we. Have they've been tight, right?
• 1:16:34
  Yeah. This is the least spicy one
• 1:16:37
  because the lowest stakes, but would you rather rest of the
• 1:16:40
  season Thomas Hurdle or Jared McCann?
• 1:16:43
  Oh, for me it's easy isn't going I'm going to hurdle.
• 1:16:47
  Yeah, I think that I I like like there's hardly a lot more.
• 1:16:51
  I just I love his category coverage, especially in a face
• 1:16:54
  off wins league. But also like some of the cats
• 1:16:57
  he's been putting up like are insane.
• 1:16:59
  He'll have had a game where you had like 9 shots, like 15
• 1:17:02
  faceoff wins, like three hits and two blocks.
• 1:17:04
  It was just anyone who has that in their wheelhouse along with
• 1:17:06
  being on that power play. Yeah, they even strength
• 1:17:08
  deployments. Nothing to write home about, but
• 1:17:10
  I just I prefer hurt a lot. Yeah, I mean, he, he was my cell
• 1:17:16
  high. Oh, was it 2 weeks ago?
• 1:17:19
  And I, I think that, you know, you were able to at the time,
• 1:17:24
  like that was a conversation with Larkins, Suzuki, Stitzel,
• 1:17:26
  Jarvis, Kaprizov, those were the targets.
• 1:17:29
  And good to know that he's kind of come back to earth.
• 1:17:31
  And now we're comparing him to McCann, who's still good but not
• 1:17:35
  as good as those guys when like at the time, the basically the
• 1:17:42
  idea was that he was overperforming.
• 1:17:43
  But the back, they're still good.
• 1:17:45
  And I think with here that I would anticipate McCann gets
• 1:17:48
  more points rest of season. But the peripheral categories,
• 1:17:50
  like Josh said, it's just such an edge in hurdles favor,
• 1:17:53
  especially in a faceoff league. I guess there's an official
• 1:17:57
  conversation. So yeah, I guess, yeah, really.
• 1:18:02
  So I guess faceoffs is where hurdle really shines.
• 1:18:05
  Already left wing doing that. And I think it's worth
• 1:18:07
  mentioning, I guess, because without it, maybe it's actually
• 1:18:10
  a lot closer than we're thinking about, because McCann's going to
• 1:18:14
  get equal thought. I'd expect hurdles, hits and
• 1:18:16
  blocks to be better, but McCann is gonna get more points I would
• 1:18:20
  anticipate. Power play points.
• 1:18:23
  Do you think so? Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:18:25
  I mean, I guess I. Agree.
• 1:18:26
  I can suspect predict hurdle to get like.
• 1:18:30
  I think it's a .75 point 8 points per game player.
• 1:18:34
  Like last year was a .84 this season on the season is a .87.
• 1:18:37
  When Jacob had him as a SLI he was like by far over a point per
• 1:18:40
  game. So the average are still pretty
• 1:18:42
  skewed. But he's line three with power
• 1:18:45
  play 1. I can see him being like .75 or
• 1:18:48
  .8 with half of his points coming on the power play.
• 1:18:50
  And I mean, you know me, I'm the power play slut.
• 1:18:55
  So it's tough. I think Jeremy McConnell be a
• 1:19:01
  lot more consistent and he provides, I guess, slightly more
• 1:19:06
  category coverage for counting hits, but it's not anything to
• 1:19:10
  write home about. It's tough.
• 1:19:12
  The deployment is definitely in McCann's favor.
• 1:19:16
  Like the team, you know, like Mckenna's lying on power play
• 1:19:19
  one but on Seattle, whereas hurdles line 3 power play one
• 1:19:22
  but on Vegas. But we always talk about Hurdle
• 1:19:24
  being one of the names to be able to be bumped off the power
• 1:19:26
  of the one if anything happens. I think at this point in the
• 1:19:29
  season, like the only way he gets bumped off is if they go
• 1:19:31
  big name hunting and they get Panera Vegas.
• 1:19:33
  It's always, it's always in their wheelhouse, but I just
• 1:19:36
  don't see it. Yeah, I guess I'll stick with
• 1:19:40
  Hurdle here, but it is actually cause I just don't think the
• 1:19:44
  point difference is really going to make such a humongous
• 1:19:46
  difference in your weak, whereas at least with you have the nice
• 1:19:49
  floor with hurdle and the the power play points.
• 1:19:52
  So that's why I'm sticking with it.
• 1:19:55
  But I wouldn't be surprised if McCann gets more points rest of
• 1:19:57
  the season. This is actually, I know you
• 1:19:59
  said it's the least spicy, but I actually think it may be the
• 1:20:02
  closest one yet because it's like really, really like, I
• 1:20:06
  mean, I guess Todd with the connecting campaign one, but
• 1:20:08
  wow. Yeah, once you face off wins, it
• 1:20:12
  makes it a lot closer. I'm still thinking Hurdle
• 1:20:15
  though. I'll stick with hurdles, but by
• 1:20:17
  the bit. I'm also team hurdle, but I do
• 1:20:21
  think it's worth the conversation.
• 1:20:22
  To me, this is a, you know, for imagine we're like teachers or
• 1:20:25
  something. This is like a this is a problem
• 1:20:27
  of like discussing how valuable is that power play 1 exposure on
• 1:20:30
  a good power play team and how much value are you putting into
• 1:20:33
  like the difference in power play points compared to the
• 1:20:35
  overall value in terms of overall, no five on five points
• 1:20:38
  and just the category coverage. I think the power play points
• 1:20:41
  are just too elite. Having that much from one
• 1:20:44
  position spot when you know the other categories are not too far
• 1:20:47
  behind or even ahead in some cases.
• 1:20:49
  It's just too table. Yeah.
• 1:20:51
  You know, like what last quick, quick thing is that I know you
• 1:20:55
  said look, look at ones on Vegas, ones in Seattle, Seattle
• 1:20:57
  three points away in the standings from Vegas, and not to
• 1:21:02
  mention the fact that they're also one game behind.
• 1:21:04
  So it's looking pretty serious. But I think that this is one of
• 1:21:08
  those things that Seattle can just finish the year and just
• 1:21:10
  not be nearly as good and get bumped by one of the other teams
• 1:21:13
  here. The Pacific is super close other
• 1:21:16
  than the bottom two teams. So it's close, but I think big
• 1:21:21
  is a lock and that's that's kind of, yeah, just just wanted to
• 1:21:23
  add that in there. Alright, well, this last one is
• 1:21:27
  maybe the spiciest of all OHT, but I will say when I do this,
• 1:21:31
  would you Rathers? I like choosing players that are
• 1:21:33
  kind of like accessible. Like when you're picking the top
• 1:21:37
  end guys, no matter what we're talking about, it feels like
• 1:21:40
  they're not really accessible in the trade or you're already on
• 1:21:43
  roster, not gonna be moved. So it's not that the
• 1:21:45
  conversation isn't as worth it, but it's more like there's less
• 1:21:49
  consequences that could be had from this.
• 1:21:51
  So that's why I like talking about guys that are like in the
• 1:21:53
  middle pack a little bit of like third, second round around
• 1:21:55
  fourth round, guys talking about the cream of the crop right now.
• 1:21:59
  I wanna talk about who would you rather rest of season?
• 1:22:03
  It's guaranteed someone from my team.
• 1:22:04
  Macro celebrity or Jack Eichel? Wow, first gonna be like Austin
• 1:22:10
  Matthews. We can't talk about this again.
• 1:22:13
  That's that's a crazy one. These are both in my mind, first
• 1:22:17
  round picks next. Year, yeah, 100%.
• 1:22:19
  I think, I mean, I think they're both incredible, incredible
• 1:22:24
  players. They have pretty much identical
• 1:22:26
  playoff schedules. There's nothing, nothing etched
• 1:22:28
  there. They both elite shooters, elite
• 1:22:30
  point getters, power play has Salerno's blown up for that and
• 1:22:34
  now is kind of like similar to equal, if not even better over
• 1:22:36
  the last month. They're super similar.
• 1:22:39
  They both win similar amount of face off really counts that.
• 1:22:43
  Who do you trust longer? I mean Eichel's got more of the
• 1:22:45
  name value of historically proven right.
• 1:22:48
  So he's probably the safer bet. I think somehow Macklin has
• 1:22:53
  higher upside, if that's even possible.
• 1:22:55
  I think that there's just like if I don't know, I feel like
• 1:22:58
  there's like some like magic. Two things that give me make me
• 1:23:01
  think that Maclin has more upside one, the magic of the
• 1:23:04
  Olympics and him getting to play with all those guys.
• 1:23:06
  I think could possibly help him, even though he doesn't need
• 1:23:09
  help. He's already amazing. 2 San Jose
• 1:23:12
  could acquire A Panarin or something like that, right?
• 1:23:15
  Doing this with with like not to no shade to the rest of the
• 1:23:18
  sharks players, like Will Smith's been sick, like sidekick
• 1:23:21
  for him, but like he's doing this with like, you know, pretty
• 1:23:24
  much no help, right. He has John Klingberg, Dmitry
• 1:23:27
  Orlov as powerfully on quarterback.
• 1:23:28
  So whereas like Vegas is stacked.
• 1:23:31
  You know, Michael's doing this like his surroundings are not
• 1:23:33
  going to get better. All of that and mainly for the
• 1:23:36
  vibes. I'm going celebrating.
• 1:23:37
  As the former celebrity owner, how do you?
• 1:23:39
  Feel, yeah, as hi there. I'm also going to go Macklin
• 1:23:43
  here, which is nuts. Didn't he say, I mean, he's so
• 1:23:50
  do you take, do you take Matthews over Eichel out of?
• 1:23:53
  Curiosity. Yeah.
• 1:23:55
  I think Matthew is behind both of these guys.
• 1:23:57
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:23:59
  Well, I don't know. Where the kids under?
• 1:24:03
  Yeah, that's it. No, no, he sucks.
• 1:24:05
  I'm over this. Finally the truth comes out, but
• 1:24:09
  I. Do always probably not gonna
• 1:24:11
  play all season so I. Do think I do think I actually
• 1:24:14
  would rather math like I think it goes I still got rather
• 1:24:18
  Matthews. Over.
• 1:24:19
  Come on now. Why?
• 1:24:21
  I swear. How are you laughing?
• 1:24:23
  How do you have the argument that Matthews?
• 1:24:25
  I think that there's a ceiling that first of all has blocks.
• 1:24:30
  Is it blocking? Yeah, well, not like, not like
• 1:24:33
  Matthews can I just think that like, I think that there is
• 1:24:37
  basically what I look at Macklin's game log.
• 1:24:39
  It's just absolutely ridiculous. So I'm gonna take them over
• 1:24:43
  Eikel because there it seems like there's nowhere to go but
• 1:24:47
  up. I've said this, though, the
• 1:24:49
  opposite a few times. No, no, but I just like, I mean,
• 1:24:55
  OK, he can't keep doing this. Like look like yeah, his his
• 1:25:01
  game log is also nuts. Both of these guys are literally
• 1:25:04
  like like top. Seven players.
• 1:25:07
  Let me rephrase. I think that in Macklin's
• 1:25:10
  career, he's gonna be sick. I meant there's nowhere to go
• 1:25:12
  but up if they get another player, because Will Smith has
• 1:25:15
  been really the only viable asset to this team and he's been
• 1:25:20
  injured for so long, and Macklin was still good.
• 1:25:22
  If they do get a Panarin, that's crazy.
• 1:25:24
  Otherwise, otherwise, yeah, I think that I think that he's
• 1:25:29
  still going to get a little bit. That's good.
• 1:25:31
  But our goals also been having a career year, right, Like we we
• 1:25:36
  don't have we don't have celebrities averages yet.
• 1:25:40
  We don't know what it's like really gonna look like this is a
• 1:25:42
  second year. But this is basically like last
• 1:25:46
  year I got 94 points. That was a record and now I was
• 1:25:48
  on pace for 100, right? So that's the type of thing that
• 1:25:52
  you can get from him. And I think celebrity could just
• 1:25:54
  like outpace him slightly, get a bit better shots.
• 1:25:58
  And even though the power play may work in Michael's favor, I
• 1:26:02
  just feel like there's, at this point in the season, nobody more
• 1:26:06
  telematic to their. About to say.
• 1:26:09
  Than celebrity. Like 2 lover talibans.
• 1:26:13
  Maybe Kucherov, maybe. But those are like that.
• 1:26:18
  That's. That's that's true.
• 1:26:19
  You know, I find the good point. Celebrity is the most talented
• 1:26:22
  celebrity should win the heart, I guess, down by that.
• 1:26:25
  That's done, yeah. That's that's actually
• 1:26:28
  potentially feasible and makes sense.
• 1:26:29
  Yeah, like the difference points between him and the next guy on
• 1:26:32
  the team is like 40 points. No, it's ridiculous.
• 1:26:35
  It's absolutely insane. So yeah, celebrity is my choice
• 1:26:38
  and I still expect them both to get like a little bit more down
• 1:26:43
  to earth normal. I could finish between 95 and
• 1:26:46
  100, right? I was on pace for 100.
• 1:26:48
  So that's basically whatever. And then sell Labrini.
• 1:26:50
  I mean, with his pace, this is like just off the charts.
• 1:26:54
  It's he is right now on pace to score 122 points.
• 1:27:01
  I think it's gonna be more like 110.
• 1:27:04
  I think it's gonna be 200. That's it.
• 1:27:08
  So yeah, celebrity is my choice. I hate it.
• 1:27:12
  I don't really. Because he's so he's good.
• 1:27:14
  He's really, really good. So he's really good.
• 1:27:17
  But are you Kevin? Well, first of all, do you
• 1:27:19
  regret your trade, Jake? Your no.
• 1:27:22
  At. This He ranked Matthews above
• 1:27:23
  both these guys so. I at this match is getting 100
• 1:27:27
  and. 20 points. You heard it here first.
• 1:27:29
  No, I always said celebrity was gonna get more points than
• 1:27:33
  Matthews. I thought the whole thing with
• 1:27:35
  Matthews was the Shaw's face. Books and blogs were gonna be
• 1:27:37
  consistent and like, celebrities were gonna come back to earth.
• 1:27:39
  But it doesn't seem like that's happening.
• 1:27:41
  Unless like he just decides to have a totally different
• 1:27:44
  approach to his game after the Olympic break, which maybe he
• 1:27:48
  will. I think that celebrity is gonna
• 1:27:50
  be insane rest of season. So I don't know, I, I, I, I
• 1:27:54
  can't imagine a player is gonna play 90 points or what, or 90
• 1:27:58
  games. No, maybe what 87 in a season at
• 1:28:02
  a 19 year old and maintain this insane pace the whole time
• 1:28:05
  Doesn't feel normal. Like nobody does that in this
• 1:28:08
  day and age. So if he does that, then we have
• 1:28:11
  a, the next Crosby McDavid on our hands.
• 1:28:14
  It's. Nuts.
• 1:28:14
  I mean, I don't know if you've been seeing like stuff that the
• 1:28:16
  other Team Canada players are saying, but they're like, I
• 1:28:19
  think it was, I forget who had an interview recently was like,
• 1:28:21
  yeah, I can't wait to play with like someone like the greats.
• 1:28:24
  You know, I think it was a, there was an article published
• 1:28:27
  like a McDavid wrote like kind of like a interview with him,
• 1:28:30
  whatever. And he was saying he was looking
• 1:28:32
  forward to playing for Team Canada.
• 1:28:33
  He's like, yeah, you've got like the greats, like, you know, like
• 1:28:36
  the like older generation, like Crosby, you know, and then he's
• 1:28:39
  like, and then you've got like guys like celebrity and like it
• 1:28:41
  wasn't like the same sentence, you know, like it's like people
• 1:28:44
  are just as excited to play with like Sylvia as they are to play
• 1:28:46
  with Crosby. Like that's nuts.
• 1:28:48
  It is. Yeah.
• 1:28:50
  Are you picking? I'm going.
• 1:28:52
  I go. I knew he was going level 1
• 1:28:56
  hater. No, I love celebrity.
• 1:28:59
  Fine, I think you didn't. Although they didn't have one
• 1:29:03
  team. I think I was gonna get him on
• 1:29:04
  my team this year. Um, but the, yeah, I to me, it's
• 1:29:09
  just, these are two of the top five to seven players in the NHL
• 1:29:13
  right now for fantasy hockey and you can't go wrong either way,
• 1:29:17
  right? So we're splitting feathers.
• 1:29:18
  But to me, Jack Eichel is in a way better situation.
• 1:29:21
  I feel like he's way safer of a player of this high elite
• 1:29:25
  caliber that to me, I'm taking that over the risk of, yeah,
• 1:29:30
  maybe celebrating ends with .1 better, but I think he could
• 1:29:33
  finish with like .3 less potentially, you know what I
• 1:29:35
  mean? And just because he's a young
• 1:29:38
  player, we don't really know where the, the average is going
• 1:29:40
  to settle. And he's like Josh said multiple
• 1:29:43
  times, like the second best guy seems got 40 less points on him.
• 1:29:46
  Like, that's insane, right? So.
• 1:29:49
  Yeah, he I've never seen this like outside like like this
• 1:29:54
  point share is ridiculous. It's nuts.
• 1:29:57
  He just every time. This record sounds his record
• 1:30:00
  without like celebrity, like getting a point is like 111 and
• 1:30:04
  two. It's like that.
• 1:30:05
  Yeah, it's not just crazy. Every time they get a point I'm
• 1:30:09
  like can't believe I traded him because I don't even bother.
• 1:30:12
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• 1:30:19
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• 1:30:21
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