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267: What Does the Lamb Say? And the Fox... · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 9: The foe nearly derailed the invocation.
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  Speaker 7: With his insolence.
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  Speaker 3: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 11: I'm Ryan and we are coming to you live from
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  Speaker 11: one of those convention things we always go to.
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  Speaker 3: So we are here with Andy.
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  Speaker 12: Hello.
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  Speaker 3: And Ken.
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  Speaker 9: Hello, hello.
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  Speaker 8: It's since waiting.
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  Speaker 3: Is that how you feel?
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  Speaker 12: It is. I'm sorry listeners.
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  Speaker 9: It's that Sunday hangover. It's kind of everybody's logie and.
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  Speaker 11: or we were hanging out talking about movies anyway like
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  Speaker 11: geeks do so i was like all right let's just
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  Speaker 11: do our geek activities we're playing the what have you
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  Speaker 11: seen lately so ken what have you seen lately well.
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  Speaker 9: I just caught up on true detective that was the
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  Speaker 9: big thing took me a little while and liked that
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  Speaker 9: a lot for the most part it was really really
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  Speaker 9: good anytime you get um oh you know the king
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  Speaker 9: and well i don't want to give any spoilers i
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  Speaker 9: better shut up about that but uh Yeah, no, it was,
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  Speaker 9: you know, it was McConaughey's year this last year, so,
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  Speaker 9: and it just kept going with that.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I.
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  Speaker 11: Was pretty sure they were just going to hand him
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  Speaker 11: the Oscar, because I was like, I think it's almost
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  Speaker 11: more of like a thanks for not doing any more rom-coms. Like,
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  Speaker 11: it really, like, he just changed his mode. He was like,
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  Speaker 11: I did 10 years of doing crappy comedies, and he's like,
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  Speaker 11: I'm going to take myself seriously, I'm going to take
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  Speaker 11: my acting seriously.
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  Speaker 3: So, it's, yeah, it's a whole different world.
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  Speaker 9: That's just it, you know. I, you know, I was just...
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  Speaker 9: Really amazed that this was the same guy that did,
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  Speaker 9: you know, those... I'm trying to think what her name is.
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  Speaker 1: Jeez.
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  Speaker 13: Kate Hudson.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 9: Kate Hudson movies, you know. And it's like, okay, now
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  Speaker 9: all of a sudden this guy from failure to launch
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  Speaker 9: is actually in mud, you know, and these others. I just, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: He's a real actor. He's just been coasting for a decade.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: It just took, you know.
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  Speaker 11: Go back and look at Lone Star. Like, he's amazing
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  Speaker 11: in Lone Star. And then along came Kate Hudson.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and just, you know, vacuumed for 10 years. But, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 9: it was that. I'm trying to think of what else
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  Speaker 9: here lately. I've been, you know, big into Eurocrime, the
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  Speaker 9: Italian stuff. And, you know, that's always a touchstone. There's some,
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  Speaker 9: like the weird Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill, you know, stuff.
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  Speaker 9: I'm trying to think now. titles are kind of escaping
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  Speaker 9: me right now, but what's great is, I don't know
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  Speaker 9: how everybody else feels about it, but I discover a
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  Speaker 9: lot of stuff on YouTube, you know, and you're like, oh, okay, well,
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  Speaker 9: that whole movie is there, it's got German subtitles, but
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  Speaker 9: I'll watch it, you know, so.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, it makes you a little more adventurous when
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  Speaker 11: you don't have to invest, and when you can back
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  Speaker 11: out and be like, 15 minutes in, be like, what am.
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  Speaker 3: I watching, and so.
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  Speaker 9: Exactly, yeah, no, it's, you know, it's a hoot, and,
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  Speaker 9: you know, 77, I mean, that's my wheelhouse anyway, you know, so.
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  Speaker 11: It is funny when I go back and how many
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  Speaker 11: things in the 70s I'm like, I just kind of love.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just a vibe almost.
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  Speaker 11: Not the cheesy 70s stuff, but just stuff that feels
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  Speaker 11: like it's of that time and the filmmakers were kind
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  Speaker 11: of making something different. It was just a totally different
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  Speaker 11: feeling that they were going for back then.
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  Speaker 9: Right, yeah. When not so handsome a guy could be
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  Speaker 9: a movie action hero.
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  Speaker 3: Especially in Italy.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, right. You know, I love going back to, like,
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  Speaker 9: California Split and, you know, those Altman movies. You know, like,
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  Speaker 9: when Elliot Gould and George Segal were, you know, big guys,
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  Speaker 9: you know.
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  Speaker 3: They would not be A-list men now.
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  Speaker 13: Not at all.
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  Speaker 9: Not at all. They're not just that pretty. But I'm
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  Speaker 9: trying to think. There was a George Segal movie not
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  Speaker 9: too long ago. Ah, my names are escaping me. I
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  Speaker 9: guess it's that Sunday just... I'm getting that more and
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  Speaker 9: more these days.
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  Speaker 13: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: No, it's... It's a really interesting movie. He's a put-upon.
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  Speaker 9: It's actually like 68. He's a put-upon, just your standard
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  Speaker 9: kind of down-and-out kind of guy. But Lee Remick moves
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  Speaker 9: into his apartment building.
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  Speaker 3: I think I've seen this one.
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  Speaker 11: Doesn't he have a mother that's sort of pushing him
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  Speaker 11: to get in a relationship?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: That's a really interesting movie.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I swear, because Rod Steiger is the villain
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  Speaker 9: in it, and he's a serial killer who preys on women.
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  Speaker 9: And it's a comedy. It's a dark comedy. But I
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  Speaker 9: swear that's where Anthony Hopkins got everything he needed for
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  Speaker 9: Hannibal Lecter.
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  Speaker 11: I believe it because I remember talking about what an
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  Speaker 11: interesting take they have on the serial killer. And to
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  Speaker 11: be that old, like it's way ahead of that serial
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  Speaker 11: killer vibe that came along. So, I mean, it was
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  Speaker 11: just sort of in the news at that point. It
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  Speaker 11: wasn't really in Hollywood yet.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, right. It hadn't gone the full, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 9: you know, you're talking still post-psycho and peeping Tom, but.
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  Speaker 3: By the time you hit the 70s and you had
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  Speaker 3: so much... The.
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  Speaker 11: Headlines were nothing but serial killers. But Hollywood still was
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  Speaker 11: kind of like, we don't want to get into trouble.
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  Speaker 11: And they had to give it a few years before
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  Speaker 11: they started doing it. I think it was a safe area.
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  Speaker 11: They didn't feel like they were still... I don't know,
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  Speaker 11: it seemed like you would have gotten more backlash, especially
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  Speaker 11: back then. People would have gotten up in arms if
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  Speaker 11: you were, like, harping on the actual news and, like,
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  Speaker 11: glorifying dead people that are actually being murdered.
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  Speaker 3: Well, now we have no scruples. We don't care.
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  Speaker 9: No, the more the better at this point, especially at
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  Speaker 9: this convention. I'm seeing stuff and I'm like, really? That's
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  Speaker 9: a cover? Because that's kind of like somebody's really scary nightmares.
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  Speaker 9: That's really.
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  Speaker 3: Or it's just a naked chick.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like, you know, I
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  Speaker 9: wonder what that, you know, poor girl, she's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: I'm acting. This is a job. Yeah, I'm successful.
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  Speaker 3: Paycheck's a paycheck.
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  Speaker 9: That's it.
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  Speaker 13: That's it.
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  Speaker 9: You know, not my cup of tea, but, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Andy, have you seen anything?
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  Speaker 8: Well, after that conversation, my choices are going to sound
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  Speaker 8: so lowbrow and stupid because you guys geeked out real
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  Speaker 8: good right there.
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  Speaker 3: We excel at that.
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  Speaker 12: So I've been.
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  Speaker 8: Really lazy lately, like really lazy.
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  Speaker 3: Like too lazy to push play?
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  Speaker 12: Too lazy to wipe myself.
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  Speaker 3: I was wondering what was going on around here. It
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  Speaker 3: was sort of a, anyway.
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  Speaker 8: Because my teeth are not in good shape right now.
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  Speaker 8: I'm just like, don't want to try anything new. So
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  Speaker 8: I've been watching a lot of old stuff. I've been
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  Speaker 8: watching Frozen over and over again.
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  Speaker 13: Frozen, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Which Frozen? I guess for horror geeks, you get a specimen.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, the Disney version. I like the other Frozen, but
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  Speaker 8: not the pretty people trapped on a ski lift.
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  Speaker 12: Not that one.
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  Speaker 11: So at no point the Disney characters don't pull their
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  Speaker 11: hand off or anything?
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  Speaker 12: There are wolves, but they don't tear anybody apart.
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  Speaker 3: Damn it. Disney, get on it.
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  Speaker 8: I've just been belting out let it go all over
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  Speaker 8: and over again. I'm such a cliche.
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  Speaker 3: You and all of America.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, but it's true. And I've also been.
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  Speaker 8: I guess this is somewhat cool. I've been watching a
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  Speaker 8: lot of MST3K a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of have been, too.
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  Speaker 11: There's a friend that's been like, hey, let's play these,
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  Speaker 11: and they're always on in the background now, and they're
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  Speaker 11: so awesome.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's good.
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  Speaker 8: Being a lazy person as I am, they're good background noise,
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  Speaker 8: but you can still pick up on the laughs. So
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  Speaker 8: that's my hipster cred, I guess, right there.
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  Speaker 11: What's funny with those, like, if you have it on
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  Speaker 11: in the background, you'll almost tune out the movie entirely,
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  Speaker 11: and you'll just pick up on the jokes, which is
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  Speaker 11: kind of even more fun, really.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and all the movies are kind of exactly the
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  Speaker 8: same anyway. But I did stumble upon something from the 70s.
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  Speaker 8: It's the Village People movie. It's called, yeah, Can't Stop
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  Speaker 8: the Music. I don't know how I stumbled upon it,
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  Speaker 8: but I think after watching it, I got a raging
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  Speaker 8: case of AIDS from it.
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  Speaker 12: That's how freakingly gay it is.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, you really have to wear protection when you
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  Speaker 11: watch certain movies.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, there's this one sequence called Do the Milkshake
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  Speaker 12: on it.
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  Speaker 3: And it's, yeah, there's no straightness there.
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  Speaker 8: They're in their regular costumes, but there are silver versions
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  Speaker 8: of them. and it's this very lascivious dance called the
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  Speaker 8: milkshake where it's just a lot of grinding and thrusting
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  Speaker 8: and the lyrics are supposed to be subtle but they're
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  Speaker 8: not and just the imagery of just this milkshake like
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  Speaker 8: material squirting like splashing everywhere and it is needless to
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  Speaker 8: say there's a lot of glitter but it's like one
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  Speaker 8: of those things you can just turn your mind off
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  Speaker 8: and just enjoy it for what it is yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Ain't nothing wrong with the milkshake you just gotta pick
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  Speaker 11: your milkshake i suppose.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah exactly and then afterwards after watching it you take
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  Speaker 8: your azt break and uh and handle that shit you
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  Speaker 8: know time for your own milkshake it's cool i mean
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  Speaker 8: So that was a nice contrast between what I've been
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  Speaker 8: watching and what Ken has been watching.
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  Speaker 9: I was going to say, like, you know, spaghetti westerns
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  Speaker 9: and stuff like that, and, well, Can't Stop the Music
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  Speaker 9: is pretty far from that.
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  Speaker 3: Who doesn't like spaghetti and milkshakes? Come on.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, right. I think I just threw up in my
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  Speaker 9: mouth a little bit.
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  Speaker 11: Well, I guess about the only thing I've seen in
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  Speaker 11: the last few weeks, we'll take it down a whole
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  Speaker 11: other dark path. I just watched the new version of Oldboy.
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  Speaker 11: Have you seen that?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 9: How is that?
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 11: I think I'm going to be in the minority because
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  Speaker 11: I thought it was pretty damn good, actually.
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  Speaker 10: Okay.
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  Speaker 9: All right.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, everybody wants to hate on it because it's
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  Speaker 11: a remake. Everybody wants to hate on it because it's
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  Speaker 11: very Americanized now.
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  Speaker 3: And they can't deal with it.
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  Speaker 11: But I'm like, those performances are so good. Like, who
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  Speaker 11: would have thought I would have liked an Olsen that
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  Speaker 11: much and it would be a new one? And then
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  Speaker 11: Josh Brolin, like, just fucking brings it.
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  Speaker 1: Like, he is.
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  Speaker 11: so committed to this role. He totally owns up to
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  Speaker 11: the fact that this character's an asshole. And in the beginning, he.
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  Speaker 3: He plays it so well.
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  Speaker 12: Josh Brolin is kind of an asshole anyway.
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  Speaker 3: It's perfect casting.
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  Speaker 12: How much is it really acting?
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  Speaker 9: No far stretch, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's what I liked about it. It's so
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  Speaker 3: perfect casting.
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  Speaker 11: It's like they find him, and he totally commits to that,
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  Speaker 11: but then he also, once you get into the rebuilding
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  Speaker 11: himself and sort of reform, like, again, in the beginning,
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  Speaker 11: there's these shots of him with the shirt off, and
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  Speaker 11: he's a mess, and he's just such... So he totally, like,
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  Speaker 11: physically transforms himself. As the movie goes on, he's later, like.
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  Speaker 3: Fucking abs.
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  Speaker 11: And I'm just like, what the hell? Like, you're, like, 50-something, right?
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  Speaker 11: I was like, he's in a really good shape. And
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  Speaker 11: another one I didn't expect was, like, they still do
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  Speaker 11: that big section in the middle with the fighting. Oh, really?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He totally commits to that.
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  Speaker 13: Like, he is.
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  Speaker 11: Like, I'm kind of seeing, like, a whole new Liam
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  Speaker 11: Neeson career coming from him of, like, badass action, old
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  Speaker 11: dude kicking ass kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Because, you know.
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  Speaker 9: Every year, right around February, there's a Liam Neeson takes
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  Speaker 9: on somebody.
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  Speaker 11: It's the lull of like, okay, Oscars. Everybody trying to
• 12:52
  Speaker 11: get their Oscar movies out. It's over now. It's not
• 12:55
  Speaker 11: really the... I mean, summer gets earlier and earlier. Now
• 12:57
  Speaker 11: it's like May. But it's like you've still got those
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  Speaker 11: four months of like, what do we put on the
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  Speaker 11: screens now?
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  Speaker 3: Liam Neeson kicking ass.
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  Speaker 9: That's it. If it's a bear or a wolf or...
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  Speaker 9: or a plane full of whatever.
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  Speaker 11: Those wolves kidnapped his daughter. That wasn't cool, man.
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  Speaker 12: It has to be one word. Unstoppable, taken.
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  Speaker 14: Fight.
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  Speaker 11: Punch.
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  Speaker 3: Kick-ass. Wait, there already is a kick-ass.
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  Speaker 9: Never mind. There is a kick-ass, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: But yeah I mean I didn't expect him to be
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  Speaker 11: that physically committed to like the fight scenes too I
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  Speaker 11: mean they sort of one that's sort of famous the
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  Speaker 11: tail end of the big one is sort of cut
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  Speaker 11: short but even that is cut short in a really
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  Speaker 11: clever way like it's all editing and like the way
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  Speaker 11: that he does it is really impressive so it's like
• 13:40
  Speaker 11: people are kind of hitting myths with Spike Lee as
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  Speaker 11: a director I mean I think he's solid at the
• 13:43
  Speaker 11: basics he's gotten less and less creative sometimes like if
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  Speaker 11: you look at his old stuff versus the stuff he
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  Speaker 11: does now he's gotten and maybe it's just because he's
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  Speaker 11: more established as a filmmaker and he does things by
• 13:54
  Speaker 11: more of a system now than you know kind of
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  Speaker 11: winging it like he used to do when he was
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  Speaker 11: a kid but but there's still some really good stuff
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  Speaker 11: he does these like when they get into like the
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  Speaker 11: the whole Chinatown thing and he's like going there hanging
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  Speaker 11: around and like they do these weird sweeping shots through
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  Speaker 11: the there's like this big structure and this arch and
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  Speaker 11: they keep going around kind of working around it I
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  Speaker 11: guess it was all crane work but like the way
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  Speaker 11: that he shoots that stuff he's still got some creativity
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  Speaker 11: to him and the way he blocks the fight scenes
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  Speaker 11: they're choreographed perfectly so it's like He's working with the
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  Speaker 11: fight choreographer to shoot.
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  Speaker 3: It really well. So he still does some good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 11: I don't hate that part either. Everybody kind of wants
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  Speaker 11: to knock all of the elements in this. They don't
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  Speaker 11: like that it's a remake. They don't love Spike Lee's
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  Speaker 11: filmmaking anymore. But the other thing that I think is
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  Speaker 11: really cool is because I'd seen the original, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 11: to me, they make it almost a different movie.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's still pretty close on a lot of elements,
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  Speaker 3: but they change.
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  Speaker 11: enough that it's like it kind of takes on new
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  Speaker 11: meaning especially by the end they really adjust the way
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  Speaker 11: that it ends to the point that you're like it
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  Speaker 11: has a whole different arc to it it has a
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  Speaker 11: whole different meaning for the characters so it's like I
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  Speaker 11: don't know. I was more impressed with it than anything else.
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  Speaker 11: Maybe because I went in kind of guarded. Like, okay,
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  Speaker 11: it's going to be... But I've gotten a lot more. Like,
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  Speaker 11: I'm not near as anti-remakes anymore. Like, I've kind of
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  Speaker 11: come around. And I think most of it's from the show.
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  Speaker 11: We've had so many conversations about people bitching about remakes.
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  Speaker 11: And as it went on, I'm kind of like, why
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  Speaker 11: do we care? And we almost make it so, like,
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  Speaker 11: so holy. You know, it's like, oh, we can't touch that.
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  Speaker 11: Where I'm like, well, why is it different than plays?
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  Speaker 11: i got to that at one point i was like
• 15:34
  Speaker 11: we we watch a million people do hamlet over and
• 15:36
  Speaker 11: over and over again but like we can't let them
• 15:38
  Speaker 11: touch old boy because it's so fucking holy i'm.
• 15:40
  Speaker 8: Like well my big thing is like when they say
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: it was an unnecessary remake then what is a necessary
• 15:46
  Speaker 8: remake remakes the remakes well.
• 15:49
  Speaker 11: And like that's the thing though like when you watch
• 15:51
  Speaker 11: somebody do romeo and juliet yeah on the stage and
• 15:54
  Speaker 11: you'll go back three years later and watch somebody else
• 15:57
  Speaker 11: do it again i'm like Are you saying that plays
• 15:59
  Speaker 11: are a more impressive art form than film?
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Because I really will argue that.
• 16:03
  Speaker 11: So I'm like, if it's equally as impressive, why wouldn't
• 16:05
  Speaker 11: you just give it to somebody else and say, let
• 16:07
  Speaker 11: me see what you.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Can do with it? I've gotten to that point now,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: and I'm kind of like, if.
• 16:10
  Speaker 11: They can do something creative with it or add something
• 16:13
  Speaker 11: to the story or a new element, like, I'm kind
• 16:16
  Speaker 11: of fine with that.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: So I've gotten to a whole new level.
• 16:19
  Speaker 11: With my remakes where I don't really bitch about them anymore.
• 16:22
  Speaker 11: I'm just like, I can like them or not like them.
• 16:24
  Speaker 11: I think we're still, you know, we're... It's still your
• 16:26
  Speaker 11: normal critique kind of thing. But I don't want to
• 16:28
  Speaker 11: go in that anti anymore. It's like, I don't know.
• 16:31
  Speaker 11: I think it's a whole new way that people probably
• 16:34
  Speaker 11: should look at it. I don't think I'm going to
• 16:35
  Speaker 11: win most people over. Yeah, it's a fight. But for me,
• 16:39
  Speaker 11: it's like I can go in without so many issues
• 16:43
  Speaker 11: and kind of enjoy more movies that way.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. I think it's a better way
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: to approach them in my mind.
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's really fascinating because you get kind of wrapped
• 16:53
  Speaker 9: up in the hate of a lot of that stuff.
• 16:56
  Speaker 11: Especially in this fan circle that we kind of run in,
• 16:59
  Speaker 11: there's a lot of remake hate.
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, because I'm trying to think now, too, with a
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: movie like Only God Forgives, too, it's not necessarily a remake,
• 17:08
  Speaker 9: but people went into it expecting a certain thing because
• 17:11
  Speaker 9: of the posters and whatever. I still haven't seen it yet,
• 17:14
  Speaker 9: but I've heard a couple of people talk about how
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: the Ryan Gosling character isn't really the hero. isn't really
• 17:22
  Speaker 9: the focal point of the movie, like everybody thought he was.
• 17:25
  Speaker 9: It's the Taiwanese cop, like detective, that's really the hero.
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: So if you think about it as a Taiwanese Dirty
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: Harry that just happens to have Ryan Gosling in it,
• 17:36
  Speaker 9: it's a different perspective. It's an interesting kind of idea.
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: But because of the hate that you hear from everybody else,
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: then I'm just like, well, forget it. And that was
• 17:44
  Speaker 9: the way the old boy, I'm like, I'd seen the original,
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: loved the original, I'm like, Josh Brolin, I mean, Jonah
• 17:49
  Speaker 9: Hex wasn't that far, you know, removed in my mind.
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: So I'm like, what's the point, you know? And Spike
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: Lee has been kind of in a weird flux, you know,
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: for years. And so I was like, yeah, I'll just
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: give up on it. But no, you've won me over,
• 18:03
  Speaker 9: my friend.
• 18:04
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's definitely worth watching. Again, I don't feel
• 18:06
  Speaker 11: like everybody's going to love it. Everybody's still going to
• 18:08
  Speaker 11: have it. And I've heard a lot of people still like,
• 18:10
  Speaker 11: I didn't hate it, but it wasn't great, and I
• 18:12
  Speaker 11: liked the other one better.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, to me, it's a different movie.
• 18:15
  Speaker 11: By the time you get to the end, it's a
• 18:16
  Speaker 11: different movie.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: They've changed several key.
• 18:19
  Speaker 11: I'm like, again, the arc is still basically the same
• 18:22
  Speaker 11: for the story, but the reasoning is different. And then
• 18:25
  Speaker 11: as you get into the end, some of even the character.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Motivations are totally different.
• 18:30
  Speaker 11: So it really kind of changes the dynamic of it
• 18:32
  Speaker 11: all by the end. So to me, it's worth seeing,
• 18:35
  Speaker 11: even if you're a fan of the other one, just
• 18:36
  Speaker 11: to watch how creatively they adjust the story. Interesting.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Again, sometimes people just like to bitch about that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, that's just it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: Hey man, they raped my childhood with that remake.
• 18:51
  Speaker 11: That's what we say every time they do a remake.
• 18:54
  Speaker 11: And I'm like, your childhood's fine. Go watch your VHS
• 18:57
  Speaker 11: version if you're that old school.
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: But now on the other side of that argument, they
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: have movie screenings here at the convention this weekend. And
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: I did happen to see a remake of Patrick, the
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: old 70s Australian horror flick. And as a kid, the original,
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: you know, it was a slow burn. It was weird,
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: you know, because I'm like, what is this? They're not English.
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: They're not British. And they're not American. I don't know
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: what these people are. You know, I'm like eight years
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: old watching it on CBS late night when they used
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: to show horror movies at late night on the weekends.
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, what is this? And then there's, you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: a surprise in the ending that I was like, you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: as a kid, you know, made that a favorite movie,
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: you know. And so they had this remake, which is
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: by the director of the documentary Not Quite Hollywood, which
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: is all about exploitation. And so I went in there
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: with high hopes because this guy has a love for
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: those movies. and, you know, respects those things. And it
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: was just, you know, more is more, you know, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: it was like I was saying earlier that jump scares,
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: if you like, you know, one, then how about a hundred,
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: you know, because, yeah, that's what he was going to
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: give you.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Overkill at that point.
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: Right, yeah. So I just, I got kind of, old quickly,
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: and it was disappointing. But, again, you know, there are
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: other people, like I saw with two friends that had
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: never seen their first one, and they loved it. They
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: thought it was, you know, hilarious, you know, and I'm like, well,
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: that's not mine, but all right. So, yeah, to each their...
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: their own i guess but.
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: Yeah it is it is funny we we kind of
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: bring our own baggage to movies anyway whether we whether
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: we mean to or not it's so like it's just
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: so like constant like you can't fight it it's so
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: it's subconscious like you don't even know but like i
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: guess it is weird that now we have these remakes
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: so there's kids coming up that they're you know that
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: that carrie remake i was talking about earlier it's like
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: that's gonna be the carrie for a whole different generation
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: And they'll probably, you know, unless their mom goes, hey, look,
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: I saw this one when I was a kid. Like,
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: they won't know of it or they'll just stumble on
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: it later and go, when did this happen? So, I mean,
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: it is a different experience for each generation. And I guess, again,
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: I'm almost of, like, why are we damning their version?
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: Even if we think it's bad, it's, like, it's their
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: experience and their.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: First time through. So, I don't know.
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: I'm trying to form a different opinion about this kind
• 21:13
  Speaker 11: of stuff.
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: It's an upward battle, but I admire that because, yeah,
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: I'm slowly coming around to that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I can still not like a lot of them.
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: I realize I have to avoid the Internet for movie
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: recommendations as much as they help. They build up expectations.
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: Maybe that's probably my fault, but a lot of my friends,
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: especially on Facebook, a lot of them are movie fanboys.
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: and they gush over movies, such as the people I'm
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: talking to right now.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: The kind of people who go to conventions for movies.
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: But they fanboy over things a lot, and they build
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: up expectations. And there's no way your experience will meet
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: up those expectations. You get kind of mad at your
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: friends for building up so much.
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: And I get to the point, again, now we're just
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: so saturated by media 24-7.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Like, every version of it. Like, on TV, in the internet.
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: And I'm just like, now I almost know so much
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: about stuff going in without even trying. Like, I'm just,
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: I'll listen to shows or I'll watch something on TV. And, like,
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: before I know it, I'm like, I already kind of
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: know everything that's going on in this movie. Like, I
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: already know so many people's expectations weren't met. And, like,
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: I've already heard so many other people's takes that I'm like,
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: it's hard for me to have my own original now
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: because there's so much.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Other stuff piled on there.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: So.
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: again we've we've changed the movie going experience by like
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: heaping all this interaction with everybody in the world i
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: mean now that we're attached to everybody in the world
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: it's it's different now i.
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: Don't know get off my lawn okay you kid.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Well i say that all the time you kids get
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: out of my yard.
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: Where's my sausage to carry your checks.
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: No you know it's it's like uh i'm as guilty
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: as anybody else especially with the marvel movies because i'm
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: a big marvel you know nerd but The Spider-Man movie,
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: I swear to God, I've seen the whole movie now in, like,
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: two-minute bites.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: The new one? Yeah, you know. The first new one?
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: The second new one?
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Reboot?
• 23:13
  Speaker 12: It's not a remake, okay?
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: It's a reimagining. I like that we keep making up
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: new words for this nonsense.
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just, you know, I mean, when was the
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: other ones? Like, you know, not even, well, there actually
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: have been, like, ten years ago. Time flies when you
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: get older. But, yeah, you know, I'm just like, okay,
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: I get it. You had my money at the title, probably,
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: you know. But now I'm kind of like, well, I
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: don't have to see it right away because I know
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: kind of what it's like. And I just let the
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: kids go and see it beforehand. But, you know, I've
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: tried to do my best now to not watch trailers.
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: It's gotten to that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: And it's sad because I loved trailers. I used to
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: love trailers. And now it's almost to the point, I
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: guess you can go and watch them after the fact,
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: which sort of is working backwards.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Because to me, there's still an art to making a
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: good trailer.
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: That's like being lost because now nobody wants to watch
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: them anymore because they ruin everything in the trailer.
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they spoil so much, you know?
• 24:03
  Speaker 12: Now there's buzz for the trailers, and they're like, did
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: you see the trailer? It was so awesome. It was
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: so great.
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: And then, like, when you see the trailer, the buzz
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: has built up so much for the trailer.
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: It's like, did you see that part where it says,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: coming soon at the end? It was amazing.
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: Up next on Entertainment Tonight, 10 seconds of a trailer.
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: Like, when the Godzilla trailer came up, my Facebook, timeline
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: just lit up like everybody was posting about.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: It yeah We did that.
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah, if you were listeners, we were back there in
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: the middle of that Oscar nonsense. Patrick just stopped, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 11: he's like, have you seen the new Godzilla trailer? And
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: we stopped everything we were doing, and he watched it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: And then he went, we're watching that again. And then, like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: he went through it again.
• 24:47
  Speaker 11: We froze the frame where Godzilla's, like, you know, kind
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: of roaring at the screen.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: And we're like, look at him.
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: Look at him.
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: Like, he's losing his damn mind for Godzilla. So I'm
• 24:56
  Speaker 11: just like, it's.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Still out there.
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: The fans are still there, and they still get all
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: worked up over shit like that.
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: So.
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: I mean, I guess it works, but in a way,
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: that's actually not a bad trailer because they don't show you.
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: There's that half-second shot of Godzilla, and that's it. And
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: that's the money.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: That's what you're going for, and they really don't show
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: you much.
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: And they're smart, too, in the way that they show
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: the people reacting. There's a lot of tension. There's a
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: lot of the big-eyed fear.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: And awe of it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah. And then you get the moments like the military,
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: the guy's parachuting in, and you're like, I don't know
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: if they're going to parachute straight into his mouth and try.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: To blow him up.
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: I mean, you know, it's a suicide mission. What is this?
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: But it's got me going, you know.
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: Let me ask you, because we had the same thing.
• 25:38
  Speaker 11: Why do they have the red smoke coming off them?
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's maybe.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Because our answer was because it looks cool.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: It looks cool. It's like, look at me. I'm dying
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: for you. Notice.
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: But I'm like, if anybody out there works in some
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: sort of military setup, and that's the real reason, write
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: in and let us know.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Because I'm like, I agree. It looks awesome. That's the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: main reason as far as I could tell.
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: Oh, absolutely. Any kind of destruction on a massive scale
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: like that, and you throw Godzilla in, and then you
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: actually throw it in so that he's something to be
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: frightened of, which even in his movies.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: After a while, it's just pro wrestling.
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, right, yeah, with a tail, which is awesome. But yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: to see actual fear is kind of interesting with those movies.
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: That's what you need to go back to if they're
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: going to reboot it, as we've just said. I mean,
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: you do need to take it back to the beginning and, like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: try to put out all that. I mean, you've got,
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: how many years now? 40, 50, like, of them, like,
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: doing all these cheesy ones and doing all these, like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: you know, again, it is sort of pro wrestling with
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: giant suits as you get into those cheesier ones in
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: the middle there. So it's, like, if you get back
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: to the beginning, like, it's a scary concept. And, like,
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: we love, I guess, the world over, but definitely in
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: this country we love wrestling. destruction and cities being completely
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: destroyed and national landmarks being torn apart so it's like.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: I just wonder after pacific rim came out and how
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: everybody loved that if people are going to be comparing
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: godzilla to pacific rim because now like there's like a
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: interest again like kaiju and giant monsters and just.
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: I think that just fueled it really absolutely it was
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: a good Pacific Rim was a good intro to a
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: lot of that.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: It's like priming the pump.
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: Because I felt like Pacific Rim was fun, but it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: certainly not a perfect movie. It's got a lot of, again,
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: almost more structuring issues. The fights are kind of cool,
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: but I'm like... It kind of needed more character development.
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: It needed to be sort of fleshed out a little more.
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: I think that's the point of it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: Like you said about the red fire in Godzilla, it
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: just looks cool.
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: And it did.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I like Pacific Rim, but I didn't love it, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I think that's why.
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: Where I think with this one, if he wants to
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: put more time in with Cranston, if he wants to
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: do some character development and give us a reason to
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: care about these characters, because we really didn't have much
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: of that in Pacific Rim, we're like, Well, that girl's cute,
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: so we'll get on her side. This guy's almost got
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: a backstory, but not really. But he's our hero, right?
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: I want the Godzilla character to be developed more. I
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: want to find out his motivations and why he's destroying
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: the city.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I want a whole flashback scene.
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: What made you so angry, Godzilla? Who hurt you?
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Sorry about those nukes, by the way.
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: That might have had a little something to do with it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Whoops.
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: Whoops, humanity.
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: But i don't know i mean there's there's still it
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: looks pretty cool so i hope they put a little
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: and this this guy the director seems like he's invested
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: like he seems like he loves the property and i
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: think that's what you need to make a good movie
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: like that oh.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: That's it somebody that actually cares about what they're doing you.
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: Know definitely all right.
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: I think we're worn out here so we're we're gonna
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: go sit down we'll come back later and bring you
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: some more random stuff from the show.
• 28:41
  Speaker 15: Help us, we'll bring us in a terrible sound.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: He pulls the spinning high-tension wires down. Help us, people
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: on subway trains.
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: Scream, my God, as he looks.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: In on them.
• 29:01
  Speaker 15: He picks up a bus and he throws it back
• 29:04
  Speaker 15: down as he waves through the buildings.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Toward the center of town.
• 29:13
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• 29:37
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  Speaker 13: We're a show that is ostensibly about horror.
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  Speaker 11: Booby bouncing that monkey was Benson he.
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  Speaker 1: Had sex with Kim Cattrall.
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: Open your mouth so I can fill the void rats.
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  Speaker 10: Are gross far eastern yeti have smaller feet than so
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: like what are we supposed.
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  Speaker 11: To learn from that You're like, shit, this is the
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  Speaker 11: one with the really fat guy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Damn it.
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  Speaker 13: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They gave each other a Dutch rudder. It was fine.
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  Speaker 11: Apparently you've never been to makeitandy.com.
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  Speaker 1: Those are flaps, not doors.
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: Woody.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 11: Who's Woody?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: It's a wiker with a booty. It looks like Mike's
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: jerking it over there.
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: I'm going to class it up now. After that smut.
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: Shows are most popular by the way they smell.
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  Speaker 1: You're a real black hole right now. He sure is.
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  Speaker 1: I'd bang him.
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  Speaker 6: This is Amy Simons, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 4: Critics are calling your next scary scary.
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  Speaker 9: F * * * ing scary.
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  Speaker 12: All right.
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  Speaker 15: So the other big highlight of this weekend is we
• 33:40
  Speaker 15: hung out with actors Elsie Holt and Lane Hughes.
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: Both of them have known director Adam Wingard for years,
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: and since then, each of them has turned up in
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: one of the VHS movies. And these days, they're probably
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: known best for being two of the three killers in
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: Your Next. Yes, they would be the Fox Mask and
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: the Lamb Mask, respectively. So I thought while we were there,
• 34:14
  Speaker 11: we would sit down and not only talk about how
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: they got into filmmaking, but also, because they've kind of
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: worked in horror a good portion of their career.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: just kind of get their take on the state of
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: horror as it is. It feels like there's a.
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: Lot of things going on in the horror world today,
• 34:28
  Speaker 11: and changes that have slowly taken place, and I kind
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: of wanted to get their take on it as well.
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: So let's go check in with actors Elsie Holt and
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: Lane Hughes. Alright, so we're here with Elsie Holt and
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: Lane Hughes, and I guess I wanted to kind of
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: get into an intro with you guys and film in general, um,
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: were both of you from Alabama?
• 34:55
  Speaker 13: Yeah, originally, um, we're both from Alabama. I'm from, uh,
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: the Montgomery area.
• 35:01
  Speaker 14: I'm from, uh, this is Lane Hughes. I'm from a
• 35:04
  Speaker 14: small town called Hartsell, Alabama that no one's probably ever
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: heard of.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: And you don't really want to go there. Um, but, uh, yeah,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: we're both.
• 35:12
  Speaker 14: Alabama and, uh, Adam Wingard, is another Alabama uh he's
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: a writer director producer I guess auteur at this point
• 35:20
  Speaker 14: you know because he's acted now and stuff and so yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: So I being from nowhere near LA myself uh I
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: I kind of wonder sometimes what leads those people that
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: are sort of stuck out there and away from it
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: all into that area is it something you as a
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: kid were like drawn to cinema like in that sense
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: or I don't know did you feel it early on as.
• 35:43
  Speaker 13: Far yeah I was just always I loved um uh, movies,
• 35:47
  Speaker 13: all kinds of movies. And I still love all kinds
• 35:49
  Speaker 13: of movies, but horror is something I, you know, was
• 35:52
  Speaker 13: probably a first love of mine watching the movies. Um, like,
• 35:56
  Speaker 13: you know, early slasher films, the original Friday, the 13th,
• 36:01
  Speaker 13: the first four, I like, um, I like, uh, you know, Halloween,
• 36:06
  Speaker 13: but then, uh, the dorm, the drip blood, uh, the initiation,
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: the burning, um, you know, uh, Those kind of films
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: I still love. So, yeah, that was my interest originally.
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: Well, Elsie, you did kind of like you and another
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: great actor we've worked with, Brandon Carroll. He just did
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: The Devil's Knot, which is like the West Memphis 3 film.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And he was in.
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: Walking Dead, Homesick with Elsie Adams, first production. And he
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: was in Pop Skull with you and me. And that's
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: where I got my start into acting. But what I
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: was saying is you guys both did stuff in, like,
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: theater in high school and theater, you know, in college, right?
• 36:53
  Speaker 13: Yeah, that's where I started was in theater. We would do, which,
• 36:57
  Speaker 13: you know, you get a lot of opportunity in theater.
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: In a sense, a lot more than I've gotten in
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: the movies because in the movies I'm a horror guy.
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: But in the theater I did, you know, comedies, Shakespeare.
• 37:09
  Speaker 13: I did Noel Coward, Christopher Durang. a bunch of old
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: school plays. But you also learn about how to build
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: a character and stuff like that, which I would love
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: to have more rehearsal in movies, but that's just not
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: something that happens ever.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the way, like I always liked art.
• 37:28
  Speaker 14: Like I was a big sports guy, but I always
• 37:31
  Speaker 14: loved music, was a big music lover. And when I
• 37:33
  Speaker 14: got kind of out of sports, when I was in
• 37:36
  Speaker 14: my mid teens and I started picking up a guitar
• 37:38
  Speaker 14: and a four track recorder and getting more into just
• 37:41
  Speaker 14: art and films and had a friend named Andy and
• 37:44
  Speaker 14: he and I would just make little backyard stuff.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: And, um, but I, I mean, I quit the high
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: school play.
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: Because I was so nervous and shy and only I
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: was a thug and I will always be cast. Like
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: Elsie said, we're, we're, We're villains, you know? I mean,
• 37:58
  Speaker 14: we're anti-heroes.
• 38:00
  Speaker 13: I would love to play the boy next door.
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that would be great.
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: But that will never happen.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: It will never happen for us. Yeah, it will never
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: happen for us.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: No.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Unless we write it and fund it ourselves.
• 38:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: You know, but... Which.
• 38:12
  Speaker 13: It's fun to play the bad guy. It is. When
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: you play the bad guy, you get to do everything
• 38:17
  Speaker 13: you would never get to do in life. So you
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: get to live precariously. And in a way, you get
• 38:22
  Speaker 13: to vent a lot of the things you could never
• 38:25
  Speaker 13: vent before. You know, it's great anger management, I think.
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: I agree.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I agree. So I was supposed to say this line
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: in high school, like, hey, you give me that purse.
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: I couldn't even say that, okay? And then when I
• 38:38
  Speaker 14: met Adam, he had finished up Homesick. He was finishing
• 38:44
  Speaker 14: it up, and we got this idea for Pop School,
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: and I co-wrote it and co-produced it. And when we
• 38:50
  Speaker 14: were casting it, I was like, who's going to play
• 38:54
  Speaker 14: the lead?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And he's like, you're going to play the lead.
• 38:56
  Speaker 14: I thought, you're out of your mind. I can't do that.
• 38:59
  Speaker 14: And he was like, I think you have it in you.
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: And so that's how I got started. And then, you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 14: I wasn't bad at it, but I wasn't great. And
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: I still, that's how I consider myself. But I've learned
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: from Elsie and by Brandon Carroll and being around these
• 39:16
  Speaker 14: people and asking them questions and, you know, and then,
• 39:19
  Speaker 14: you know, watching your favorite actors and just picking up
• 39:22
  Speaker 14: on things from whether they're talking about it in interviews
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: or magazines.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Like, or just actually when you watch them.
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: Like how.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Does that guy react to that? Like, cause I like him. Like,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: how does he do it? Oh, that's, that's kind of
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: what he's doing, you know?
• 39:37
  Speaker 13: So, but the great thing too about Popsicle is a
• 39:40
  Speaker 13: lot of that movie was improvised, right?
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: So you got, we had an A to B, but
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: it was up to us how to get to from.
• 39:46
  Speaker 13: A to B, right? And that was the first time
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: I'd ever done anything where there was a script, but
• 39:52
  Speaker 13: there wasn't necessarily set things in terms of dialogue and stuff.
• 39:57
  Speaker 13: And Adam would be like, well, just kind of do this,
• 39:59
  Speaker 13: do that. So you would go, oh, okay. Well, we'll
• 40:01
  Speaker 13: try that. Was it by design? Yeah, no, that was
• 40:03
  Speaker 13: by design. Because you were on the fly. As far
• 40:06
  Speaker 13: as I know.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: That was how we wanted to make the film.
• 40:09
  Speaker 13: And it turned out great. He had a shitload of footage.
• 40:12
  Speaker 14: Oh, yeah, like something like, I don't think he likes
• 40:15
  Speaker 14: to discuss it at this point in his career, but.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: We had like 90 DV tapes.
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: How long did you shoot?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Two years.
• 40:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah. For me, it was different for Lane because he's
• 40:25
  Speaker 13: the star of the movie, and he lived with him.
• 40:29
  Speaker 13: But for me, I was the ghost that terrorized Lane.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:32
  Speaker 13: So I would come in, and then maybe six weeks later,
• 40:37
  Speaker 13: I'd shoot some more, and then it'd be like four
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: months later, I'd shoot some more. And I'm like, well,
• 40:41
  Speaker 13: I'm still shooting pops.
• 40:43
  Speaker 14: Sometimes it would just be me and Adam and his
• 40:45
  Speaker 14: little brother shooting. Like, if the fog looked cool outside
• 40:49
  Speaker 14: at four in the morning, let's go.
• 40:51
  Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly. There were times we'd be filming, we would
• 40:55
  Speaker 13: be shooting a scene, and then the next thing you know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 13: we'd be driving home from shooting the scene, and he'd
• 40:59
  Speaker 13: be like, hey, I like that. So we'd pull off
• 41:01
  Speaker 13: to the side of the road and jump out and
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: then just start shooting stuff that he may or may
• 41:05
  Speaker 13: not use, you know. But it was very experimental in
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: that way. That's awesome.
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: I mean, that's independent filmmaking at its best right there.
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: It really was at its best. And the whole movie cost, what, $ 3, 000?
• 41:14
  Speaker 11: $ 3, 000.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Jesus.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: That's amazing.
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: And it's a brilliant movie. It looks fantastic. I love it.
• 41:21
  Speaker 11: So has that kind of inspired you as far as,
• 41:24
  Speaker 11: you know, wanting to get into it more? Specifically, like
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: I was going to ask with you, I mean, was
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: it different because you said you didn't like the play thing?
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: Was it different because you didn't have a full audience
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: there staring at you?
• 41:34
  Speaker 14: I mean, I was still a nervous wreck, you know,
• 41:38
  Speaker 14: but Adam, you know, we became good friends.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: You know, I trust him.
• 41:42
  Speaker 14: I still trust him to this day, and he's one
• 41:43
  Speaker 14: of the only people that when he says, we've got it,
• 41:47
  Speaker 14: I don't question it or say, well, man, let me
• 41:51
  Speaker 14: just try one more.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: It's just when he says he's got it, he's.
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: Not going to make you look bad or allow yourself
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: to be bad because he is the kind of director
• 42:00
  Speaker 14: that believes that, hey, at the end of the day, it's.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Going to reflect on me, too.
• 42:04
  Speaker 13: Because he also edits the movies, all of them.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: So, you know, total trust.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I worked into it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 14: Plus, like I said, to this day, I mean, I
• 42:14
  Speaker 14: ask Elsie and Brandon questions all the time, you know,
• 42:17
  Speaker 14: and I've done a lot more since then, a lot
• 42:19
  Speaker 14: of shorts, a lot of features. You know, I've done
• 42:23
  Speaker 14: one or two, three things that weren't horror, you know.
• 42:26
  Speaker 14: They were just more like indie dramas and stuff, and
• 42:28
  Speaker 14: I enjoyed those. But even in those, I was kind
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: of like the asshole, you know what I mean? So
• 42:34
  Speaker 14: even then, I was kind of a villain, you know.
• 42:36
  Speaker 13: Yeah, once an asshole, always an asshole.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Right, right.
• 42:39
  Speaker 13: Fighting your character.
• 42:40
  Speaker 14: Right, but those are, you know, like, I think with film,
• 42:43
  Speaker 14: the way, when we did Pop Skull and the way,
• 42:45
  Speaker 14: you know, I Know You're Next is, you know, like,
• 42:49
  Speaker 14: every film Adam has done that we've been in has
• 42:51
  Speaker 14: been made outside of a studio and then sold to
• 42:55
  Speaker 14: a studio through basically going to film festivals.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: And I think we really got into, like, watching.
• 43:03
  Speaker 14: things like Five Easy Pieces and The Trip and Jack
• 43:09
  Speaker 14: Nicholson is my favorite actor of all time. I think
• 43:10
  Speaker 14: right now, secondly, I'd have to say Bryan Cranston is
• 43:13
  Speaker 14: my second favorite actor of all time.
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: Yeah, he's great.
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: But we wanted how easy a writer was made. In
• 43:24
  Speaker 14: the 60s and the 70s, they were doing the same
• 43:27
  Speaker 14: thing that we were wanting to do now, is just
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: make cool stuff and then hopefully the studio buys it you.
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: Know and that's how adam works to this day this
• 43:38
  Speaker 13: new movie the guest yes is being done the same
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: way and it i mean it's it's from what i
• 43:43
  Speaker 13: understand a pretty cool yeah and a bigger budgeted movie
• 43:46
  Speaker 13: but i don't know.
• 43:48
  Speaker 11: How you do it with i mean where you get
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: to that huge level and like you're handing off like
• 43:53
  Speaker 11: it's different when you you write it and you're the
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: creator you're there directing it and you know you're editing
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: it too like you can piece that But to me,
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: it seems even harder to be able to just hand
• 44:02
  Speaker 11: it to an editor, even a skilled one, like how
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: they know to do what you.
• 44:07
  Speaker 13: Had in mind. I don't think Adam would even want
• 44:09
  Speaker 13: to do that.
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: I think now with the directors that are very hands-on,
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: that let's say a studio, they say, well, we're going
• 44:21
  Speaker 14: to put this editor on it. Well, I think a
• 44:23
  Speaker 14: lot of these directors are editing it with the editor,
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: even if you don't see that in the credits, you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: edited by Adam Wingard and so-and-so. Like, it's at this point,
• 44:34
  Speaker 14: they're probably both in the room together, you know, I
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: would think on the scale. Yeah, because I agree with you.
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: It's like, you know, I do music. Why would I
• 44:42
  Speaker 14: want to make and record and write all this stuff
• 44:44
  Speaker 14: and then be like, you.
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: Mix it down? I want to mix it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: And as an actor, it kind of makes you worry. Again,
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: you say you trust Adam, but trying to think, okay,
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: I did this one bad take, and then I did
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: these several other good ones, and.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: What if they use that one?
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: What if they like that one, and I despise that one?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Sometimes that happens.
• 45:04
  Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely.
• 45:05
  Speaker 11: Well, I guess you both got involved in the VHS series. Now,
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: I guess, how did those come about? It is sort
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: of just... an accumulation of, of different up and coming directors.
• 45:16
  Speaker 11: And I guess, how did you guys get involved?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: VHS, Adam, just Adam and Simon Barrett, who did a
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: horrible way to die. And, uh, right after horrible way to.
• 45:25
  Speaker 14: Die, they wanted, uh, they did, uh, I came up
• 45:29
  Speaker 14: back to Missouri. Uh, that's where that was shot. And
• 45:31
  Speaker 14: I came back up to Missouri and that's where, uh,
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: Simon Barrett's from. So he has like, you know, connections
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: there and stuff like that. And so, um, We did VHS,
• 45:42
  Speaker 14: and I guess really it was a brainchild of what?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: BloodyDisgusting.com?
• 45:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah, they came up with the idea for it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: To do like a film that's like a, what do
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: they call it, like serial shorts?
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: It's an anthology, yeah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: And so, you know, I guess the first one was
• 46:01
  Speaker 14: lower budgeted than the second one, but the first one
• 46:03
  Speaker 14: did so well that they brought back certain directors.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 46:07
  Speaker 14: I think people have a misconception that And it kind
• 46:10
  Speaker 14: of bothers me that they assume that I'm not an actor. Oh,
• 46:14
  Speaker 14: it's cool that your buddy puts you into these films.
• 46:16
  Speaker 14: It's like, no, I am a film lover, an actor,
• 46:22
  Speaker 14: you know, whatever. It's just that he and Simon and
• 46:27
  Speaker 14: I have developed a relationship. Elsie has the same relationship.
• 46:31
  Speaker 14: When they're writing things, when they're coming up with ideas,
• 46:33
  Speaker 14: they know if they need us or they want us
• 46:35
  Speaker 14: or not. And if we fit something in as soon enough,
• 46:39
  Speaker 14: they decide, wait, I really hear Lane in my head,
• 46:43
  Speaker 14: so I'm going to start writing it for Lane.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I really see or hear LC.
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: I'm going to kind of start writing this geared more
• 46:50
  Speaker 14: towards him. You know, what I know I want to
• 46:53
  Speaker 14: see him do or say. And so that's kind of
• 46:55
  Speaker 14: how it works with casting with us a lot of times.
• 46:59
  Speaker 11: It does feel like that. Like all these, probably like
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: the VHS and then even going into your next, it
• 47:04
  Speaker 11: feels like you guys are sort of creating this little
• 47:06
  Speaker 11: filmmaking family right it does feel like you're just sort
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: of pulling from yeah yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 13: Yeah we've most of us have worked on more than
• 47:13
  Speaker 13: one thing whether it be shorts or features done a
• 47:16
  Speaker 13: lot of shorts with adam oh yeah both he and
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: i and then occasionally we'll do a new feature which
• 47:22
  Speaker 13: you know the features are always a little more fun
• 47:25
  Speaker 13: because you have more time to play oh yeah yeah
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: well and then.
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: I guess do you feel vhs i mean as you
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: came in to do the second one is it Is
• 47:33
  Speaker 11: it doing something different than the anthologies in the past?
• 47:37
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think that the theme of it is really unique.
• 47:39
  Speaker 13: I mean, you have wraparound stories and things like Creepshow,
• 47:43
  Speaker 13: but the wraparound concept of the VHS movies is pretty unique.
• 47:50
  Speaker 13: And I think that's really what sets it apart. And
• 47:53
  Speaker 13: then just the fact that they can get directors... Who
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: were really up and coming.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Right, like spotlight them.
• 47:59
  Speaker 13: Incredible. Like in the second one, it was, you know,
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: the guy that did Hobo with a Shotgun.
• 48:02
  Speaker 14: Or getting like the old schoolers from like Blair Witch Project.
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: And Simon actually made his directorial debut on the one
• 48:10
  Speaker 13: that I did. Simon Barrett, the writer and producer of
• 48:15
  Speaker 13: You're Next and a lot of other movies. Yeah.
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: It is a lot of crossover because I think Calvin
• 48:21
  Speaker 11: Lee Reader is in that first one, too.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Calvin. Calvin is awesome. Calvin is awesome.
• 48:28
  Speaker 13: And he's in You're Next as well.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as the cop at the end.
• 48:31
  Speaker 11: He's got a little surprise at the end there.
• 48:35
  Speaker 14: Splat.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: What's up, Calvin Reader, man? He's the man, yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 11: He's a lot of fun.
• 48:41
  Speaker 13: Which, if you think about, you're next as sort of
• 48:43
  Speaker 13: a smorgasbord of directors.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 48:46
  Speaker 13: Like half the people who are acting and are directors.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Amy Simons, Joe Swanberg.
• 48:49
  Speaker 13: Yeah, as we were sitting here watching.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Ty West.
• 48:51
  Speaker 14: Ty West.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: He and I have both dabbled in that kind of stuff.
• 48:55
  Speaker 11: It did sort of create that little family vibe.
• 48:58
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 48:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 49:00
  Speaker 11: I guess as we get into your next, did that
• 49:04
  Speaker 11: sort of spin off of the VHS or is it
• 49:06
  Speaker 11: something that you'd already been working on well before?
• 49:08
  Speaker 13: I don't think so. I don't think it was anything
• 49:10
  Speaker 13: really to do with VHS. It was the original idea
• 49:13
  Speaker 13: that Simon and Adam cooked up.
• 49:15
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and it was already kind of in like pre-production
• 49:19
  Speaker 14: before VHS.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: VHS was kind of just all of a sudden.
• 49:22
  Speaker 13: It happened.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: It happened.
• 49:24
  Speaker 13: And that's not as much of a commitment because they
• 49:25
  Speaker 13: were just doing a short.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: They did the wraparound segment.
• 49:29
  Speaker 14: We did, and I was in the first VHS. And
• 49:33
  Speaker 14: then your next was literally like two months later, Back
• 49:37
  Speaker 14: to Missouri.
• 49:38
  Speaker 13: Because that's where I saw the wraparound story when I
• 49:42
  Speaker 13: was shooting Your Next.
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 49:44
  Speaker 13: So, yeah, I was like, oh, so that's what you
• 49:46
  Speaker 13: guys did. Right, right. I was like, this is about
• 49:48
  Speaker 13: starting to make a lot more sense. Right.
• 49:51
  Speaker 11: So I guess, what did you think when you, I
• 49:53
  Speaker 11: guess you're brought in on Your Next, or they give
• 49:55
  Speaker 11: you the script, or I don't know, what were your
• 49:57
  Speaker 11: thoughts on it initially before, like at that first stage?
• 49:59
  Speaker 13: I loved it. I thought it was a great script.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I agree. When I read it, I thought it was great.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: And then, but.
• 50:07
  Speaker 14: When I was first told about it, I was told that, like,
• 50:10
  Speaker 14: you'll be a mask killer. Well, you know, like, Halloween's
• 50:13
  Speaker 14: my favorite series. I love Michael Myers, I mean, you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 14: to death. But, you know, I was almost like, okay, dude, really? Like,
• 50:21
  Speaker 14: I get that you think it would be cool for
• 50:24
  Speaker 14: me to do, but, like, we're to the point.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Now where, like, you're going to put me in a mask,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you know? It was just slightly insulting. Then I read
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the script, and then I was like, wait a minute.
• 50:34
  Speaker 14: This is awesome, you know, and I saw where he's
• 50:36
  Speaker 14: coming from because we, what I've been telling people is
• 50:39
  Speaker 14: we have a great chance in the film not just
• 50:41
  Speaker 14: to be like these iconic mask killers, but we actually
• 50:44
  Speaker 14: get to take off our mask and show emotion and
• 50:46
  Speaker 14: dialogue and.
• 50:47
  Speaker 13: Be real cool. Well, they're real because, you know, I mean,
• 50:50
  Speaker 13: when they get hurt, they scream. You know, it's not
• 50:52
  Speaker 13: like they're going to walk around with gunshot wounds and shit.
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: Right, right.
• 50:56
  Speaker 14: Like, you're going to stab them in the head and
• 50:57
  Speaker 14: they're going to get right back up. We might get up,
• 50:59
  Speaker 14: but it might take us a few.
• 51:00
  Speaker 13: Well, that nail, that nail really hurt.
• 51:02
  Speaker 11: Right, right.
• 51:04
  Speaker 13: I actually did step on a nail. Method acting.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Did you step on it?
• 51:08
  Speaker 13: Oh, yeah.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Like on accident or purpose?
• 51:10
  Speaker 13: I stepped on that fucker all the way through my foot. No,
• 51:13
  Speaker 13: I'm totally lying. Totally lying.
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: No, you didn't.
• 51:16
  Speaker 13: But I will tell you this story.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Have you ever.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Stepped on a nail?
• 51:20
  Speaker 11: No. I have.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I stepped on a roofing nail one time and went
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: through my foot. wearing some, like, Vans, like, slip-on. It
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: went right through my foot.
• 51:27
  Speaker 13: Let me tell you this story, though. This is a
• 51:28
  Speaker 13: great story. I've never told this story before from your next.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it.
• 51:32
  Speaker 13: The scene where I step on the nail, and then I, because,
• 51:35
  Speaker 13: you know, she puts down two strips of nails. One
• 51:37
  Speaker 13: is a decoy, and then one is the one I
• 51:39
  Speaker 13: actually step on. Well, you know, when I step on
• 51:41
  Speaker 13: the nail, and I'm wandering around trying to get the
• 51:43
  Speaker 13: nail off my foot, and the board's stuck to me, well,
• 51:46
  Speaker 13: the other board with nails was behind me, and I
• 51:50
  Speaker 13: had to fall down. And at the last minute, they said,
• 51:53
  Speaker 13: would this probably be a good idea to change it
• 51:55
  Speaker 13: out with the ones that had foam nails? And the
• 51:58
  Speaker 13: first take after they changed it out, I fell directly
• 52:01
  Speaker 13: on the foam nails. I would have had three nails
• 52:04
  Speaker 13: up my ass if they had not done that.
• 52:08
  Speaker 11: That's a hell of a blooper there. That's not even
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: fun for the DVD.
• 52:13
  Speaker 13: But they were foam nails. But that was very close.
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 52:17
  Speaker 13: That could have been.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you would have been Vlad the.
• 52:20
  Speaker 13: Impaler, you know? Yeah, tetanus of the sphincter.
• 52:24
  Speaker 14: No, when I stepped on that nail one time in
• 52:26
  Speaker 14: real life, I mean, the first thing I had to
• 52:28
  Speaker 14: do was, like, pull it out myself, then go to
• 52:30
  Speaker 14: the doctor and be like, look what I did.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: They're like, here's a tetanus shot.
• 52:34
  Speaker 11: This isn't very Michael Myers at all.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: No, it's not. That's just real life. That's just real
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: life Alabama life. Roofing nails everywhere in Alabama.
• 52:42
  Speaker 13: Watch out.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I can.
• 52:45
  Speaker 11: But I guess, again, as you're going into it that
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: first time, did it feel different than other movies? Could
• 52:51
  Speaker 11: you tell at that point?
• 52:52
  Speaker 14: It was the biggest thing that I had done, and
• 52:56
  Speaker 14: I guess you had done, right?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing Adam had done, too?
• 52:59
  Speaker 13: The biggest thing I'd done with Adam.
• 53:00
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and that was the biggest thing I'd done in general,
• 53:04
  Speaker 14: the biggest thing I'd done with Adam. And then they're
• 53:07
  Speaker 14: bringing in all these actors that we've worked with.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: We had all worked with each other. We knew each other.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: By the same time, I still was like, I'm not
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: as good as him. I'm not as good as her.
• 53:17
  Speaker 13: The only one we didn't know was Sharni.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Right, Sharni.
• 53:21
  Speaker 13: Well, actually, Sharni, Rob, and Barbara Crampton.
• 53:24
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 53:25
  Speaker 13: We had not worked with before. But all the rest
• 53:27
  Speaker 13: of them, either Elaine had worked with, or I had
• 53:30
  Speaker 13: worked with, or we had both worked with them.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was nervous. I was. I mean, I'm
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: not going to lie. I was just, can I do this, man,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 53:43
  Speaker 13: They were all so cool, though. I mean, you can't
• 53:45
  Speaker 13: get anybody nicer than Charney Vinson or Barbara Crampton. Or Rob.
• 53:50
  Speaker 13: Rob is the coolest guy.
• 53:52
  Speaker 14: Elsie and I roomed together while we were there, and
• 53:56
  Speaker 14: he came to our door one morning. It was way
• 53:58
  Speaker 14: too early for us, but he was like, you guys
• 54:00
  Speaker 14: want to go to brunch? And we're just like, all right, no.
• 54:04
  Speaker 13: The most fun I had, though, was going out drinking
• 54:06
  Speaker 13: with Rob Moran and Nick Tucci.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: See, I didn't go anywhere with anybody like that.
• 54:11
  Speaker 13: Oh, man. I just drank in the room. We went
• 54:12
  Speaker 13: to the brothel. Right. That's in Columbia.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:18
  Speaker 13: And what it is, we didn't realize it at the time,
• 54:20
  Speaker 13: but it's a bar where you can pick a girl
• 54:23
  Speaker 13: and go into the other part and then do whatever
• 54:26
  Speaker 13: you want to do.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 54:28
  Speaker 13: And I was like, really?
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: What was the name of that place?
• 54:31
  Speaker 13: What the hell kind of bar is this?
• 54:32
  Speaker 10: Wait.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I should or can't.
• 54:34
  Speaker 13: Say the name. We shouldn't say the name of it.
• 54:36
  Speaker 13: To be honest with you, I don't even remember. Yes,
• 54:45
  Speaker 13: that's what the name of it was. It sure as
• 54:47
  Speaker 13: hell was.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: I had forgotten that.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 54:50
  Speaker 13: Never mind.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: We have the name, though.
• 54:53
  Speaker 13: Let me just say that me and Nick and Rob
• 54:56
  Speaker 13: were very good boys. And I think everyone else on
• 54:59
  Speaker 13: the film was, but I can't vouch for them. But
• 55:01
  Speaker 13: I can vouch for Rob, Nick, and myself. I'm a dork.
• 55:04
  Speaker 11: I would have been the one going, can we read
• 55:06
  Speaker 11: comic books together?
• 55:08
  Speaker 14: I stayed in the room pretty much isolated.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I hung out with Sharni and Wendy Glenn a lot.
• 55:14
  Speaker 11: With Amy being ridiculous? Because Amy Simons was on the show,
• 55:17
  Speaker 11: and she's hilarious. And I don't even know if she
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: realizes how funny she is.
• 55:21
  Speaker 14: I haven't spoke to Amy in a long time, but
• 55:26
  Speaker 14: while we were shooting.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: You're.
• 55:28
  Speaker 14: Next, like on AMC, they started broadcasting The Killing.
• 55:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 55:34
  Speaker 14: Okay, so we started watching The Killing. It was pretty good. Well,
• 55:37
  Speaker 14: I hate the fact that now it's like canceled. Netflix
• 55:40
  Speaker 14: had to save it because it's a great show. But
• 55:41
  Speaker 14: she was on this last season, and I thought she
• 55:45
  Speaker 14: did a great job. And her film, that new one,
• 55:48
  Speaker 14: she was done in Florida, and it's got a Florida base.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: It says something about sunshine. I apologize, Amy, that I
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: don't know the name.
• 55:55
  Speaker 11: Sunshine.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Sun Don't Shine.
• 55:56
  Speaker 13: She's in one of Woody Allen's new movies, too.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: Is she?
• 55:59
  Speaker 13: She was in one of the more recent. It's already
• 56:00
  Speaker 13: come out. I don't know.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, but she's really talented. Yeah, yeah. But I
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: haven't spoke to her in a while. But, yeah, she's
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: a cool chick, yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: She's funny.
• 56:11
  Speaker 13: Yeah, she's cool.
• 56:12
  Speaker 14: She likes to kick them back, too, though. You know,
• 56:15
  Speaker 14: she's cool. Like, her, Sharni, I mean, they're all cool.
• 56:19
  Speaker 13: Yeah she only worked a few days on yeah yeah
• 56:22
  Speaker 13: she pretty much had the dinner scene and then.
• 56:24
  Speaker 14: Got yeah then she had her neck got a wire
• 56:28
  Speaker 14: neck yeah.
• 56:29
  Speaker 13: Spoiler spoiler i hope you've all seen.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: The movie if you're listening to this then hopefully you've
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: seen it.
• 56:36
  Speaker 11: You're doing it wrong you're supposed to watch the movie first.
• 56:39
  Speaker 13: Right then you listen to the interview right.
• 56:42
  Speaker 11: Well i was gonna see like that because that That
• 56:45
  Speaker 11: movie in particular kind of falls into play with a
• 56:47
  Speaker 11: lot of them lately. I wanted to see what your
• 56:48
  Speaker 11: take was on just horror now. It seems like we've
• 56:52
  Speaker 11: entered into this new phase and it's like You're Next
• 56:55
  Speaker 11: and Kevin in the Woods and Tucker and Dale vs.
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: Evil.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I love both of those films.
• 57:02
  Speaker 11: All of them fall into a very specific category. Especially
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: Kevin in the Woods is very obvious about it. But
• 57:06
  Speaker 11: even the other two are ones that seem like they're
• 57:09
  Speaker 11: made for fans of horror that understand horror, and it's like,
• 57:14
  Speaker 11: it's not just a casual horror movie. It can be,
• 57:17
  Speaker 11: but if you want to go into it further.
• 57:18
  Speaker 13: It's not, like, you can't... It's horror movies for horror fans.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not dismissing how intelligent people are. You know, like,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: we're allowing them to, like.
• 57:31
  Speaker 14: not just be in on the jokes or in on,
• 57:33
  Speaker 14: you know, whatever, but it's like, yeah, they're smart enough
• 57:36
  Speaker 14: to get this. And if they don't get it, then
• 57:38
  Speaker 14: they don't get it.
• 57:39
  Speaker 13: I think Cabin in the Woods was a great example
• 57:41
  Speaker 13: of that.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:43
  Speaker 13: That was incredibly funny. But if you're a horror fan
• 57:45
  Speaker 13: watching that movie.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: You may hate it.
• 57:47
  Speaker 14: I mean, you know, it's like, well, we were discussing
• 57:50
  Speaker 14: this because we're diehard horror fans. Horror fans are the
• 57:53
  Speaker 14: most diehard fans.
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: Oh, yes.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: On the planet.
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: And if you don't believe it, come to Horror Hound.
• 57:58
  Speaker 10: Exactly.
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: Or Monster Mania or anywhere else.
• 58:00
  Speaker 14: But, At the same time, they beg for something new.
• 58:05
  Speaker 14: And when you give them something new, they say, that
• 58:07
  Speaker 14: shit's not like that. And then when they bitch about
• 58:10
  Speaker 14: a remake or a reboot, give me something new. And
• 58:13
  Speaker 14: then you give them something new, well, it's not like that.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: And they're the hardest to please, but they would literally
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: probably die for you. I mean, that's how just true
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: and blue they are.
• 58:24
  Speaker 13: And I totally agree to some extent with what they mean.
• 58:28
  Speaker 13: But with the horror, the remakes... Sweet Jesus, never mention
• 58:33
  Speaker 13: a remake to Doug Bradley.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: That's what I hear. That's what LC warned me about.
• 58:36
  Speaker 11: He's not answering me. He got cut out of his
• 58:40
  Speaker 11: own series.
• 58:41
  Speaker 9: I can't blame him.
• 58:42
  Speaker 14: I can't believe that because when I heard that he
• 58:44
  Speaker 14: was actually going to do it, I was like, that's
• 58:45
  Speaker 14: great that they're doing a reboot with the original guy.
• 58:49
  Speaker 13: He's Pinhead. I mean, come on.
• 58:50
  Speaker 11: Why would you put anyone else in that make?
• 58:52
  Speaker 13: It's almost like Chucky with Brad Dourif. How could you
• 58:57
  Speaker 13: even imagine someone else doing that voice?
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 58:59
  Speaker 13: Now, maybe that's me just glorifying the past, but I
• 59:02
  Speaker 13: don't think so. I mean, let's face it. There are
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: certain things that are said. And, you know, you could
• 59:07
  Speaker 13: even make the argument about Robert Englund. You could make
• 59:10
  Speaker 13: the argument very well.
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: No, I agree.
• 59:12
  Speaker 13: Even though I love Jackie Earle.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great.
• 59:15
  Speaker 11: He's great in a lot of stuff, but even that one,
• 59:17
  Speaker 11: he did something different with it. And I don't know.
• 59:19
  Speaker 11: I think it took away from... What charm Freddy Krueger had.
• 59:23
  Speaker 13: And the story wasn't all that hot either, I don't think.
• 59:26
  Speaker 13: I think if you could do it... If you're going
• 59:29
  Speaker 13: to do a remake of Nightmare on Elm Street, the...
• 59:32
  Speaker 13: Come up with something good. For God's sakes, don't ever
• 59:36
  Speaker 13: again use the cliche of trying to bring him out
• 59:40
  Speaker 13: of the dream at the end to kill him. It
• 59:42
  Speaker 13: doesn't work.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Stop.
• 59:43
  Speaker 11: Well, I like that on every one of them it
• 59:45
  Speaker 11: kind of works until.
• 59:47
  Speaker 13: The little stinger at the end.
• 59:49
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 59:49
  Speaker 13: It's coming back. But they've done it in like four
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: movies at this point.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: When a guy can cross through planes of existence.
• 59:56
  Speaker 13: Yeah. I mean, at least do like he did in
• 59:59
  Speaker 13: number three where you just sort of poof him out
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 13: of existence with some holy water and shit, you know?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 13: I mean, at least that's different because you know he's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 13: coming back.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: Right, right.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 13: I mean, how do you kill a dream anyway?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: But yeah, I felt like that.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 11: There was something to the Robert Englund version that as
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 11: good as Jackie Earl Haley is, it's like he just.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And I wasn't a big fan of the makeup.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: No, it's not.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Well, again, it's not.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 11: fun like that was such a fun series it probably
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 11: shouldn't be he's a child killer but it was very
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 11: dark it was much darker.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 14: And i enjoyed that more realism and the darker things
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 14: they brought to it but like have that still mix
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 14: with like the freddy we know or and love already
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 14: but make him a little more dark and intense like
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 14: a good mesh you know you need to find a
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 14: good fence to sit.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 13: On you know and rooney i mean rooney mara did
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 13: pretty well for herself afterwards yeah That's for sure. I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 13: don't think we'll ever see her in another Nightmare on
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 13: Elm Street movie.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 11: But, I mean, it's funny that we got to that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 11: one because that's a good question I want to ask
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 11: if you guys feel. I feel like that one is
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 11: a very weird, especially for a reboot, because they're trying
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 11: to pull in these new kids, and, like, new kids
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 11: today aren't really even, like, they don't get, they're so
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 11: unfazed by that stuff. In the 80s, you were just like,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 11: kids were shocked by most of that. But now they're so,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 11: I mean, they've seen so much horrible stuff on the Internet,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: they're numb to it.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 11: But I feel like there's this weird game that they
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 11: play in that Nightmare on Elm Street reboot where they, like, okay,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 11: we don't mind showing you all this blood, but if
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 11: you'll notice, like, all of the kids, like, there's not
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 11: any weird sex scenes.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 10: Like, I noticed there were.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Like, it was very natural in that first one.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 11: But they don't have it.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: They didn't take it to that level.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 13: They're not even human. They're talking on iPhones and iPods,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 13: and that's what supposedly updates it. Now they have Facebook pages.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 13: Nancy has a Facebook.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Nancy has a Facebook.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 13: Nancy, whose name is not Thompson, has a Facebook.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 14: Another problem I have, and we almost did this in
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 14: Popsicle with a lot of horror films, is that everybody's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 14: got to go to the library.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 13: Yeah, that's where you solve the mystery.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Or someplace.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 13: They find the archive.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 11: Oh, my God.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I'm living on an Indian burial ground. No wonder my
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: shit's haunted.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 13: Look at this enormous headline. Fred Krueger burned to death
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 13: by parents. That's the problem with movies today. Oh, my Lord.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 11: Not enough microfiche.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 13: And then they get on their iPod, and it's like, hey.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 13: Let's break it down.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 11: It just felt like that was something that was really
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 11: me and it wasn't just the oh we wanted sex
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 11: scenes in it but it's like as i watched it
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 11: the more i thought about it was like there's like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 11: even interpersonal relations like you don't they're supposed to be
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 11: boyfriend and girlfriend and they're just there's no physicality to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 11: them like it seems and again for very good actors
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 11: like you know remark's really good but like it's weird
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 11: that it's almost like they capped it like i don't
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 11: know if it was a weird directorial choice that like Well,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 11: we don't want to take it down that road. So
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 11: it's like they're very cold to each other, which is
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 11: really weird to me.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 13: I guess it's trying to reflect that kids now are
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 13: supposed to all be disaffected. And disjointed from society, which
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 13: they kind of are. They're all just sort of loners.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 13: But you lose the charm of in the first one
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 13: where they all seem like they're friends and they have
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 13: this relationship and go, oh, I had friends like that.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 13: Nowadays they're just all insensitive and disaffected and their friend
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 13: dies and they're like, Oh.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 13: Well.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 11: That really bothered me about that one. And I think
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 11: that's what, and maybe that was part of it, is
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 11: that maybe it is a societal shift.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Like, our whole.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 11: Culture has changed so much in that 30 span of
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 11: years or so.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 13: Right. Yeah, it's too, they did lose some fun.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 14: But I think people also need to look at, like, Chucky, Freddy, Jason, Michael, as, like,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 14: the new Universal monsters and, like, the new Hammer films
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 14: or whatever you want to say.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: We'll say Universal.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 14: Because there's like 100 fucking Dracula films, right? Okay, you know, Dracula, what,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 14: meets Laurel and Hardy, you know, stuff like that.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Well, guess what?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 14: They are the new versions of that, and there will
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 14: be before, not in my time, but somebody's time, there's
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 14: going to be 100 Friday the 13th.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Just get used to it.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 13: There'll be a million Jasons, just don't tell Cain.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 9: You're right.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: No, I'll tell him.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: But.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: That's just the way it's.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: Going to be.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 13: I love you, Cain. You know I love you.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 14: But hopefully some new stuff like You're Next and some
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 14: films will like, you know, maybe we'll set a certain
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 14: path or pattern for ourselves and other people to follow.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 11: Is that then part of the new wave? I mean,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 11: we kind of said that, but that's what I'm wondering
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 11: is that we have these new very self-conscious, somewhat more
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 11: intelligent horror movies.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 13: Is it because.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 11: the audiences got smarter or is it because they were
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 11: asking for something of that caliber?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I think it was, it's just where.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 13: I'm not sure if they've gotten smarter. No, I don't
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 13: think it is.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 14: I think the film, if the filmmakers and the, the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 14: fans are now making like everything's oversaturated. Like, I mean,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 14: let's be honest. There's some, we're doing an interview with you,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 14: but there's a million podcasts.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 13: You know what I mean? But let's also remember that,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 13: that one film did it well and was very successful.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 13: So after that, it became a trend. You know, you
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 13: say like, let's say what, like Scream was the first
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 13: one that was like, everyone was smart.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Like a postmodern kind of deal.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 13: And that was so, they were all so successful, well,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 13: for the most part.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I love the Scream franchise.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 13: I mean, I love the first two.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 11: I don't even hate the third.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I hate the wrap up. I don't even hate the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: third or fourth.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 13: It has some good stuff, but I miss Williams.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: It's not as good as the first season.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 13: I miss Williamson.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: He doesn't have the right.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I like the fourth one.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 13: I do.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I like the newest one a lot.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 13: We saw that when we were making your Knicks.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: We saw that.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 11: I felt like they took the easy way out. Like,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 11: they just wrapped it up like all the other ones. Like,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 11: I so wanted them to do something different.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 13: You know what they need to do with the Scream films?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 13: They need to stop being so damn protective.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 13: If you kill off one of those three central characters,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 13: you would go, oh, my God.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 13: Remember when they were brave enough to kill Randy in
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 13: part two?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 13: That's what they need to do again.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Just grab his ass up in the van.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 13: You're like, not Randy.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: Everybody was like, oh, my God.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: But Randy got it.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 13: And there was a scene in four where they're at
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 13: that party in that barn and Gale is about to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 13: bite it.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 11: That's when she should have gone.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 13: That's when she should have gone. It would have given
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 13: her a good death, but she gets the 15th superficial wound,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 13: and the poor woman's been shot, stabbed, fallen.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 11: I mean, it works for Dewey. That's kind of his thing.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: It's kind of funny that he continues.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 9: He gets beat up and keeps coming.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: He limps over with his theme in the background.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 13: He had good physical therapy.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 11: Oversaturation therapy.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 14: Because equipment is easier to buy, hardware, software. So fans
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 14: can actually think, well, this idea I have, I can
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 14: learn this craft and go out here with my buddies
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 14: and make it kind of like.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: We did and do. Still, only we're getting to bigger points.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 14: But it's hard to, at the same time, when everybody
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 14: can have that same hardware and software... For reasonable prices,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 14: you're going to get a lot of garbage you've got
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 14: to swim through.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: So it's a good thing and a bad.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 14: Thing, you know, that everything is so accessible. But I
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 14: think the reason some better things are being made is
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 14: because people, the people that make them are just like,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 14: this is what I want to see. I'm going to
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 14: make what I want to see because I think that
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 14: there are other people that want to see this.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 13: Well, and that's what any good filmmaker should do, or
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 13: writer for that matter. I mean, you know, if you
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 13: look at something like Hellraiser... Clive Barker just made what
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 13: he wanted to make.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 11: It's so unconventional as a horror movie. Or any film, right?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 13: I mean, people who grew up with it may not
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 13: realize just how fucking original that movie is. It's unbelievable.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 13: And if more movies came out with that sort of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 13: quality now, but then if you also think about it,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 13: the year that was made, what, 87? How many horrible,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 13: formula-matic films came out, and then you had the one Hellraiser?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 13: So we are still getting, like, every so often you'll
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 13: get the, The one. And you'll go, oh, what's that?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 13: And that's what you live for as a horror fan.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Or even just a film fan.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 14: Even if we're talking outside of horror, that just one
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 14: or two good movies. Just because this wins this Emmy
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 14: or this Oscar doesn't make me any more interested in it.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 14: Just that one film you see and while you're going
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 14: through your Netflix InstaQ and you're like, I'll give that
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 14: a try.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: And you're just like, man, that was fucking good.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 11: I think it kind of goes back to what you
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 11: were saying earlier about, like, the Easy Rider days. Like,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 11: I think it's going back to that. It's almost filmmakers
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 11: doing it in that same style, not worrying about a studio,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 11: not worrying about funding.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 14: It's like, buy it if you want it, don't if
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 14: you don't, but, you know, get with us or don't.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 11: It was that auteur theory that kind of came about
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 11: in the 70s. It started those late 60s and late
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 11: 70s with nothing but, you know, artists doing what they
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 11: wanted to do, and making a film. And the 80s
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 11: kind of killed that.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 11: It brought some great things, too.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: It did.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 13: And the 70s, they were great for horror films, too,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 13: because that's when that new wave came about. Texas Chainsaw.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 13: All the really great ones came out then.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Halloween, Texas Chainsaw.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 13: And then you had some coming, you know, some late
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 13: bloomers in the 80s.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 13: And then it sort of died off and then you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 13: got to the mid-90s.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 14: Well, you notice when, like, Friday the 13th came out, like,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 14: it kind of fucked up things for, like, Halloween in
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 14: a way because Halloween was kind of this classy kind
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 14: of thing in a way, really.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 11: Well, and it wasn't even going to be that.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: Like, you didn't want to keep.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Doing that over and over. Right, but then it became...
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Friday the 13th messed it up. Yeah, it did. It messed.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 14: And then everything now is like, well, Friday the 13th
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 14: just showed four pairs of tits. We got to show
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 14: at least one. And this guy got slammed down this way. Well,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 14: now we got to up it.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Like, you're right. We got to up the ante. And
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 13: Not that there's anything wrong with that.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: No, I don't either.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 14: But I love Friday the 13th. But I think people
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 14: with the formulaic things, they looked at.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: That and they said, well, Michael's a killer. He's a killer.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Let's make him more like him. You know what I mean?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 14: And both of those killers have changed so much in
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 14: every film because, like, You know, like each time it's like, well,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 14: Michael seems.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Like he's an android in this one. Like for real,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: he walks and looks like an android.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 11: They just get more and more supernatural.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Right, and the next one he's like more, you know,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: he's bigger, he's smaller, you know, whatever. And then with Jason,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: the same way, you're like, is he a zombie? Is
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: he a ghost? I don't know what the hell he is.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 13: Eventually he became a zombie.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 13: By about seven, all his flesh was falling off.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: About seven, eight, yeah, like, you know.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah six he comes out of the grave doesn't
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 11: he lightning or whatever it was seven is hilarious with
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: the psychic that is so.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 13: Funny that was filmed in alabama too yeah i was
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 13: yes it was.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 11: But yeah i think i mean part of it is
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 11: that i think you just had artists doing what they
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 11: wanted in the 70s right and that it was that
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 11: kind of that success of horrors in the 80s but
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 11: also that's when that that studio mentality came into play.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 13: It's like that.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 9: We've got to have one every year.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 13: Post-Jaws, Star Wars.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 11: You get that, well, we need a blockbuster, we need
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 11: to make money, and then it became about finding that formula,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 11: and I think the Friday the 13th thing came along,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 11: and like, that's the formula. You just need body after body,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 11: and then each sequel, up the body count, up the nudity.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: Up the.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 11: So, yeah, it's.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 13: All of that. It gave Siskel and Ebert something to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 13: bitch about for about 10 years.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I mean.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 13: Those guys... hated horror it was amazing and you watch
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 13: it too if you watch any of their stuff it's
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 13: like you just want to go wow you just really
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 13: don't get it do you you don't get the idea
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 13: that sometimes films can just be fun i mean like.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 14: And i try to think about it like there's not
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 14: a horror film that's like won an academy award is
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 14: there like.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 13: Really no well the exorcist that was the closest yeah
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 13: That's like... But I mean, hey, that.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: That's a good point.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 13: But it's close.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: But, you know, you'll never see.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 13: That's about as close as you get.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 14: You'll never see, like, the new Halloween was so good
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 14: that it is now up for an academy.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Even if it was that good, let's say it was
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: just that good of a film and a horror film
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: that it deserved to be nominated. They wouldn't nominate it
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: just because it was called Halloween and part of the franchise.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 11: It's Yeah, I mean, it is a weird bias with horror.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 14: Because some people look at horror as like pornography almost.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 11: To a lot of people, yeah.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 13: Well, and people are really stiff.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 13: People who don't get horror are the people who are
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 13: really stiff.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 11: Well, and they don't think horror can be anything else.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 11: And it's like, if you talk to people who really
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 11: understand horror, you realize how much is going on under
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 11: the surface. Like, even if it looks like something very simple,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 11: it's like there's all these layers of commentary and commentating
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 11: on what's going on in the culture at the time.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 13: Well, it's like, that's George Romero's whole thing.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 13: I mean, in some of the later stuff, you could go, eh.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 13: But a lot of his stuff is really, really, really good.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 11: Especially when he got very conscious of that. In the beginning,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 11: I think, even that first one, I think they talk
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 11: about how much he probably retroactively put all.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: This meaning on Night of the Living Dead.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 8: Yes, exactly.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 13: I totally agree.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 11: But by dawn, he really was.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: It was very conscious.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 11: He's making a statement.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 13: There is so much in Night of the Living Dead.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 13: I can sit there and just... I love it. And
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 13: some things are, you know, they're sort of.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: There's something raw about it.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 13: Unintentionally funny, where he's like, they flew into the air
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 13: like bugs. I love that thing. Me and my buddy
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 13: back home, we always walk around going, they flew into
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 13: the air like bugs. This ain't no Sunday school picnic.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 11: I love that.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: There's something that holds up so well.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: About that movie.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 13: It's such a great movie. I mean, I could watch
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 13: that movie a million times.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 11: I love Martin, and I feel like nobody gives Martin
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 11: enough credit.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: Martin sucks.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 11: And then I, cause I talked to, I remember talking
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 11: to him, like the actor and I'm like, you do
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 11: realize Dexter stole half your stuff, right?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 13: I'm like, it's just kind of Dexter.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 13: He is awesome.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 11: I told him, I was like, I was like, have
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 11: you watched Dexter? Cause it's like, he's doing kind of
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 11: the same thing.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Like he stalks around their house.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 11: He finds his next victim.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 11: He uses the hypodermic.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: Needle to take them down. I'm like, it's pretty close.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 11: I mean, to, I mean, he's just not, I mean,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 11: he is kind of a serial killer really.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 11: He's just not taking out the other serial killers.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 14: I believe that Dexter was one of those shows that
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 14: I would have loved to have seen a whole season
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 14: by season three or four that he had gotten caught.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 14: And you have a whole season where his family.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: And everyone is having to deal with him in jail.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 14: What I didn't like is on a lot of series,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 14: which made Breaking Bad so good, is that you have
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 14: the same family like we were talking about earlier. Every
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 14: show was the same showrunners, same producers, same writers, same cinematography.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: They never changed anything.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 14: With a lot of these, like even Walking Dead now
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 14: has changed Showrunner several times.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Dexter did the same thing.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 13: They threw Frank Darabont out for trying to make it better.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 10: Really?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 14: And it's like, you know, and I love Dexter, you know, but,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 14: I mean, it should have ended sooner than it did.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: It did.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 14: And I would have liked to have seen him take a, like,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 14: you know, because it started becoming it. Its own formula
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 14: started fucking itself up because it's like, I know he's
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 14: not going to get caught.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: It's just another close encounter for him. You know, well,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 14: Wanted to see him just get busted and just like
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 14: have a whole season of like Dexter in bars.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: That should have been the last season.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: But some people probably wouldn't have wanted to see him.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 14: Behind bars and dealing with these emotions and things, you know,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 14: but yeah, that's just me.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: That's my opinion.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 11: It did those tense moments really well, especially in the mid-run.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: It did.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 11: It did seem like, how the hell is he going
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 11: to get out of this?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: What's his name?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 11: Oh, yeah, Lithgow.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 9: Lithgow?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, that season with Lithgow.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 13: It's the best of the run.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: That's one of the best seasons of television of any
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: show ever.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 13: It is.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 11: Two's good, but three or four.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: It's four, yeah. It's amazing. Yeah, with the Trinity killer.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 14: That's awesome shit right there.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 11: Well, have you guys seen anything lately that you think
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 11: is cool? Either of the indie caliber.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Or mainstream stuff. I've been watching a lot of... I
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: have Netflix on demand. I don't have cable or anything else.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: So I just do my $ 8 a month and stream.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 11: Whatever they send out.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah. And you have all these choices. So I've
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: been watching a lot of wrestling things lately. Because I
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: grew up on wrestling.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I grew up on wrestling, and I got out
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 14: of it. And I got out of wrestling, of course, right?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 14: And I'm not really into what's going on with wrestling now.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 14: But I'm going back and watching these documentaries about these
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 14: certain wrestlers, like The Rock and Mankind. Mick Foley is
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 14: one of my favorite people on the planet. I mean,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 14: the things he did to himself to entertain a crowd.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: He was taking.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 14: Crazy bumps. I mean, and then that Undertaker hell in
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 14: the cell in like 96 when he fell off the thing.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 14: I mean, he literally went off like a 15-foot cage,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 14: if people don't know, a wrestler. 15-foot cage, dropped through
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 14: a real table onto concrete, and then got up and
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 14: fell back through 15. He crawled back up the hell
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 14: in the cell and then fell back through the top.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: And then had a tooth in.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 14: His nose and was bleeding and he couldn't even stand
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 14: up and he poured the tax out. And I've read
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 14: his book and, you know, he poured tax out on
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 14: the floor and the undertaker tax him like twice and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 14: all these tax are in his body.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 14: And, um, the undertaker and Mick Foley's book, uh, I
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 14: think it's like have a nice day or something like that.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Uh, the mankind book.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 14: Uh, he, um, he said that when he and the
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 14: undertaker got back, you know, to, be you know the
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 14: er basically that's there already on site and they're like
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 14: he's you know sitting there getting examined they both are
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 14: and obviously mick foley's in way worse condition and um
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 14: mick turns and looks to the undertaker and he says
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 14: man did we ever do those um tax did i
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 14: get the bag of tax out because i mean he's
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 14: had like three concussions at this point And The Undertaker said, Mick,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 14: look at your arm.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: And his arm, he's just so numb. His arm is
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: covered in.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 14: So I've been enjoying watching these wrestling documentaries and stuff.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 11: It's all about Andre the Giant.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: For me. Oh, yeah.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: WrestleMania III. There you go.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 11: Any wrestling movies for you?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 13: I don't watch wrestling.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I really don't.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 11: Princess Bride, that's as wrestling as I.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: Anybody want a peanut?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 13: Right. I think Ty West's new movie, The Sacrament, I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 13: would check that out. I haven't seen it yet, but
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 13: me and Sharni were talking about it earlier. And she
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 13: says it's unbelievable. She's watched it.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 11: Everything he does is, like, that's the thing. I know
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 11: a lot of people out there get upset with his movies.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 11: But I'm like, to me, that's the sign of.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: A good movie.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: Like, if it's middle of the road.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 11: But, like, if you love it or hate it, he
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 11: did something right.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 13: I don't know how many people have seen that movie,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 13: Trigger Man, that he did. It was one of his
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 13: first movies.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 13: For what it is, the budget they had.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: I like Trigger Man.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 13: Great. And also I like The Innkeepers.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, The Innkeepers.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 13: I forgot that.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: You did that.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 13: I love that. Some people talk about, oh, this is boring.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 13: It's an awesome movie.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Well, what's the one that he did?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 9: It's character-oriented.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 13: Exactly.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 15: It's so good.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: What's the one that he did right before The Innkeepers?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 13: The House of the Devil?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I love that.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: It's another one. Because it just straight up looked like
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Tom Newton. Yeah, I mean, the way the film looked,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: the way it sounded, I mean, They nailed every part
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: of that vintage vibe.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 13: Bowen was in that, too.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 13: AJ.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's always great.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 11: That's another one. And I know people that really hated
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 11: the way it was paced. And I'm like, it's not
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 11: by accident.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: He's doing this on purpose.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 9: It's a cool movie.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 11: It serves the purpose of the movie. But yeah, I
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 11: don't know. Everything he does is just so impressive. Even
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 11: if you don't like it, you have to inspire him
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 11: as a filmmaker.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 13: He's trying new stuff.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 11: Well, on the new stuff, do you guys have stuff
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 11: coming out you need to tell people about? Stuff coming
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 11: in the future to look for?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 13: I'm working on something, but I don't know. I'm going
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 13: to wait.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: Keep it under wraps.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm going to keep it under wraps.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Kind of the same way, yeah.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 13: That was a very interesting response.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: She's giving you the window. Yeah, the window for us
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: to just pimp our product. Yeah, I'm doing that now.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: We have stuff that we're... been talked to about you
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: know for months or years now you know we have
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: stuff that we want to do.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 13: And there's always stuff that comes along but then but
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 13: then you know what happens to it it flies through
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 13: the air and doesn't get funded so many things that
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 13: you hear about just never happen yeah you're like so
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 13: it's hard to talk even about it because you just
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 13: like like two weeks from now yeah somebody could.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 14: Be like man we've got budgeting for this i mean
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 14: even somebody like adam you know it's like I think
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 14: this is going to happen in two weeks.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: We'll be like, we're filming something else.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 13: Yeah. You know what it did? It flew into the
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 13: air like boats.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 13: That's such a great line.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 11: You can't say anything because fans are so hardcore. They'll
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 11: just be like, when's that one movie coming out? And
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 11: they'll freak out and they'll be bugging you for the
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 11: next six or eight years. And you're like, but it
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 11: didn't get funded. It's not my fault.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 11: Anything else you want to send people off with? Any
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 11: other advice for them?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 13: I have one thing I'd like to tell everyone.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: I think I know what it is going to be.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 13: Don't. Okay, one last time. They flew into the air
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 13: like bugs.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 11: So kids out there, don't fly into the air.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 13: No. Or be a moving bonfire. I love the movie
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 13: so much. I'm sorry.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 11: What did you think of the remake?
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 13: Love it. I actually love it.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 11: Of the few, I don't know. It's one of those
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 11: you feel like you shouldn't like it.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Isn't that original Night of the Living Dead? That's like
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: public domain, right?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 11: Well, they licensed it under the wrong title. Well, it
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 11: was Night of the Flesh Eaters.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 14: Well, see, I saw a trailer the other day for
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 14: a film where people are watching Night of the Living
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 14: Dead or something, and halfway through it, everything's in color,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 14: then it goes to black and white. Or everything's black
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 14: and white or it goes to color.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 13: I think they're doing another remake or something.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 14: But it's like they are watching the film and they
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 14: get sucked into the film.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 13: Oh, God.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. There was the animated.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 11: Did you ever see? I still haven't seen that.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: Which that was kind of cool.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 11: Again, for something that falls into public domain, it's cool
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 11: when they can do something like that. They basically gave
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 11: it to all these different animators and said, you pick
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 11: a segment. We're going to divide it up into all
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 11: these little segments. Do it however you want. You can
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 11: do it. hand drawn you can do stop motion you
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 11: can do whatever you want and they piece together this
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 11: same story obviously but like every few minutes.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: It changes switch to an entirely different style that sounds
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: cool yeah that was that was something original.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 13: The worst one though was when they denied living dead
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 13: 30 years and they added scenes john russo who is
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 13: i mean i'm sorry john but you're a horrible film
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 13: director he added a bunch of scenes and i had
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 13: added a scene where it was like a cemetery scene
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 13: And they had this guy, and it's supposed to be
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 13: set in 1969 or 8 or whatever. And it's supposed
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 13: to play into, they added scenes to the movie. So
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 13: it's supposed to just naturally play in and tell where
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 13: the cemetery zombie came from. And so they have his
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 13: funeral scene. Yeah, it's like a funeral scene where the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 13: film opens with them taking the casket out to the gravesite.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 13: And then they have this dude who looks like Anton
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 13: LaVey doing the funeral. And it's like, this is 1968?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 10: What?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Wow, I haven't seen that.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 13: And there's so many things in that that's awful. And
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 13: it's just John Russo took it and said, well, this
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 13: is what we're intending to do, which is basically just
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 13: what you say when you just want to add a
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 13: bunch of shit to anything.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 13: That's George Lucas.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: See, that's what I was going to say.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 13: I always meant it this way.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Is that the equivalent to that?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah, pretty much. It was like John Russo's less successful version.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 11: We just didn't have the money. But now that I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 11: have all this John Russo money.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 13: We were intending to do that, I promise.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 13: No, we're about to wrap up.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: You're wrapping up.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: No problem.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 13: That is cool.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: I understand.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 11: March Madness has taken over, so we better get out
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 11: of here.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: Thank you guys for talking with us.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 15: Anything else we need to cover?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 9: No, I think I need a drink and sit down
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 9: for a little bit.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: I think everybody's at that point this weekend. We're all
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: plenty worn out.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 13: Yes, I agree.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 12: I've done nothing else.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 13: That's it.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 11: That's the other thing. I've realized I've been talking all weekend.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 11: I'm surprised I still have a voice. It's like I
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 11: sit by myself the whole rest of the week and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 11: don't talk to anybody. So it's probably not used to this.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: Me too.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 9: I just really appreciate you having me on. This is
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 9: really cool.
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  Speaker 11: No problem.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to plug your show?
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  Speaker 13: Go for it.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 12: Oh, the 9 to 11 podcast, notlp.com.
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  Speaker 3: Check us out.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 12: Thank you for having us on the show, Brian. It
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 12: was really cool.
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  Speaker 3: You know I always love having you guys on.
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  Speaker 8: Like I said, I feel like I'm such a rube
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  Speaker 8: after the conversations you guys have had.
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  Speaker 3: I talk about crap all the time.
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  Speaker 13: What do I care?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: I like Disney.
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  Speaker 10: Well.
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  Speaker 9: When I get back home, I'm going to watch Can't
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 9: Stop the Music again. It's been a long time since
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  Speaker 9: I've seen that one.
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  Speaker 11: Actually, last night we had a whole Disney conversation. I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 11: don't even remember where we were sitting, but yeah, Christian,
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  Speaker 11: we were picking out like, oh, it was while we
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 11: were waiting for the shuttle that didn't come, by the way.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 11: If we want to go into a side bitching story,
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  Speaker 11: but I won't bother with that. But while we were
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 11: sitting there waiting, we were talking about the weird middle
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  Speaker 11: range there of like classic Disney's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: And then, like, they're doing some cool stuff now, but
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: there was, like, that 90s run. And, like, what the hell? Like,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: there was just a lot of off ones. I'm just like, what?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not above talking Disney.
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  Speaker 13: What do I care?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 9: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: With that, we will leave you. Otherwise, that about does it.
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  Speaker 13: We will return next week.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: Same geek time, same geek feed.
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  Speaker 13: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 10: All my life I've been looking for the magic I've
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 10: been looking for the magic When the sun shines on
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  Speaker 10: us it gives us a chance I've been looking for
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  Speaker 10: the magic.
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  Speaker 5: You came for the magic in my eyes In my
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: eyes Baby, in my eyes.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, when Chuck Charlie sits in the air like that
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  Speaker 10: She says, hey, I'm looking.
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  Speaker 1: For the magic.
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  Speaker 12: Say so I turn the city, this.
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  Speaker 11: Is a desert.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: She says to him, looking for the treasure.
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  Speaker 5: Because of all the crap, it's like an island glass.
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  Speaker 1: On top.
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  Speaker 5: And then I never lie, because I never had the time. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: Looking for the magic in my life. in your eyes.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 11: The Crypt Keeper was just here.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, The Crypt Keeper was just here.
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  Speaker 13: Hey, Crypt, we should have gotten so many people. We
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 13: missed Kyle Labine, we missed Doug Bradley, and The Crypt Keeper.
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  Speaker 11: You guys don't know anything about horror.
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  Speaker 3: Get out of here.
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  Speaker 7: This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown. Produced and
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  Speaker 7: edited by The Oddity Studios. With opening music performed by
• 1:29:50
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  Speaker 13: Okay, one last time. They flew into the air like bugs.