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Hamster Extra - Frazer Gregory & Red Dwarf · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back to have some with a blunt penknife extra material I
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have here today with the Glorious, Fraser Gregory.
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However, either hi everybody. No stranger to any hands for
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listeners. In fact, this is where you first
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set your Stahl. Isn't it this podcast?
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Yes. Yes.
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You were the first person that allowed me to come on and run
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book on our monson's and see Ludicrous things about Doctor
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Who. So this is where it all began,
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folks. He's the one to blame.
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I mean, isn't a non rude way before you even come at me with
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any kind of stop it. Our broken many are person into
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podcasting now you know, I feel like you might be my greatest
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success or I wouldn't go that far but thank you for the
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compliment. So today we are here to not talk
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about Doctor Who no a rare. Revenge instead we are, is this
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is the first of many episodes of hamster extra features going out
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to members only and the premise of this, is that contributors to
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hamster. Come on and talk about another
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show that they like, you do like this show, right?
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Why? Yes.
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Oh good. Yes.
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So they choose a show. We talk about the show sort of
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as an overview and then We select five, I don't know if
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you've chosen five, you love five, you hate, but you're going
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to select five episodes, and give me fabulous reasons as to
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why, and we will do commentaries on those episodes.
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So it's just a nice, little overview of some different shows
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and what your opinion is of it. So what have you chosen them
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Fraser? Well, it's cold outside.
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There's no kind of atmosphere. I'm all alone.
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More or less? Its red dwarf.
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Okay. So I have a question for you
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straight off, and that is why Red Dwarf you could have chosen
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any TV show could have done but I think Red Dwarf is the one
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after Doctor Who that I'm most qualified to talk about if that
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makes sense. It's the one that I've watched
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the most. It's the one that I've loved the
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most outside of Doctor Who so anything else I'm going to be
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kind of scrambling around, you know, trying to find things to
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talk about where's Red? Dwarf.
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I feel is is one. That was a, you know, another
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big part of me growing up and I I came in a red dwarf and it
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would have been seasoned 500k quite late then.
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Yeah, I am giving my paternal been watching a snippet of of an
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episode of series 3-1 date and whenever I was out and I just
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had the Telly. So but it was Series 5 where I
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really started getting into watching it.
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So yeah. And quite lated bought you know
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I was Hooked on that. And I did exactly the same with
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red dwarf as I did with Doctor Who and went out and bought as
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much material as I could. And I got the VHS has, you would
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only get Series 2 and Series 3 back in those days?
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So I got those played those to death, what the books read them.
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I'm just to get the M, the short Loops magazine and that was,
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that was, that was hope for you or two.
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So, I had You know, subscribe to this magazine and let's make a
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Zane. Obviously yeah, it was fun.
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It was It's comic strips. It was interviews.
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It was set reports. It was everything you want from
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a fanzine and suddenly just didn't last.
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Had a seem to have a good one and then just all of a sudden it
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just went, you know, just as was kind of hitting a bit of a
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stride, is it a bit more adult than adults?
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Who magazine, not really. I mean like I said I mean I
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would have been I would have to check know exactly when when
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this would have been a short, tons of research actually.
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Fraser that this isn't a commentary so I can edit this
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one to buggery. So we yes of course.
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Yeah. And when I say me, of course, I
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mean Mark. Yes.
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Because the first series was Nick mediate and it just went
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after that, didn't it? Wikipedia is letting us come
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here. Anyhow, we'll just see in the
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mid nineties. When I was sort of mid teen and
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you're not falling 15, that sort of it.
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Sure it didn't feel any more adult than indeed or, um, you
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know, these guns, obviously, be aged aimed.
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Funding model but then they can all do reader.
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Remember getting, you know talk to her magazines and they were
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sometimes a little bit hard to read and just because of, you
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know, the amount of information, the amount of text for this
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magazine felt very easy to read and saw a little bit.
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Yeah it more all the audience but not if that makes sense.
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I'm think to read. Then you know you said about the
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books, I think I had one of those books but it was like
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several episodes of the first Ruiz.
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Truncated into one novel. Is that right over?
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My completely imagining that. Yeah, let me just be able to
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pull it off your bookshelf now is this?
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Wow. Yeah.
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That's the what I haven't? Yeah.
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Infinity. Welcomes all for drivers.
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Yeah drivers, yes. Well, I didn't know if it was if
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it was red dwarf or if it was infinitely, welcomes, careful
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drivers. Because for the benefit, well,
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Jennifer going to be showing the video this.
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But for the benefit of people who are just listening and the
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cover is just got them at a dwarf logo on and then it's got
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like a Vapor trail of a spaceship as smash the corner
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office saying, see an Infinity welcomes, careful drivers.
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So put the book itself on the spine just says Red Dwarf.
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Just as red dwarf on the bucket. You'd never front cover, it's
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never mentioned. Oh no red dwarf, infantry
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buttons, careful drugs. There you go, I've learned
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something is the episodes from series 1.
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Yeah just not this discovered, the first two series.
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What all of the fuss is? There is in one knot.
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Yeah, it It's, you know, goes through the open till I'm
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getting Creighton and, and back to First, this one and a half
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series, I think, actually, because it covers series one
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where the get marooned in space and the star becomes the last
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human being alive. And then and the find Creighton
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in the do the back-to-back non-public reality better than
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life. But in life, virtual reality
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game. Which they get trapped in at the
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end of the book. So the end of book is some kind
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of getting out of out of that not launches into the The next
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the next book is well them is better than life, so that are
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acceptable. Comrade.
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It was so and then there's a few more books in the kind of stock
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Divergent a little bit from the, what was You know what was Sean?
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I think don't have it backwards and but the one after that, the
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last human is, you know, by this point you're saying part of the
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show but you're getting really quite more local original novel.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Very much. So because obviously retro off
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was written as you'll see on the book by a chap called Grant
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neela ah yes David huge Brother David And that sort of thing but
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not necessary. Not as much as that because you
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know, Granny a lot is Rob Grant and Doug me.
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There are two people who've who came together at a rate, you
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know, the first six series and and so on.
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And then, unfortunately, their working relationship ended
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quiet. And I think in the wall, I mean,
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we'll go into that because I want to Circle back around
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again, very quickly because you've give me some detail about
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the magazine, you've given me some details.
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About the novels. Yeah, but my initial question
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was why the TV show? So what was it about this TV
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show that connected with you so much him.
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I think it was a kind of fill a gap, to be honest.
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I mean, let's say Doctor Who went off in 1989 Red Wolf
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started in 1988 where I picked up a phone there a bit on
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Wikipedia know is 92 1982 is when you know Series 5 first
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aired. So that's that's the prime time
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for the science. In short to come along and just
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sit in my subconscious. And, you know, feel that sort of
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Gap where we're Sylvester McCoy isn't there anymore.
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You know, you've got the Doctor Who still there, but red dwarf
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is very much filling that Gap. So the same sort of time there's
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this things like Quantum Leap on the TV and Sup.
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Babylon 5 time. Yeah, early 90s.
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Yeah, it'll be nice. You know you've got some ideas,
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I started in 93 and that was a year after Babylon 5, I think
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so. Yeah.
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So there's a lot of other things going on there that are.
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You know, I think some night bleed enough for a decade where
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Doctor Who wasn't on 90s, was the time for like Peak Telly
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fantasy. There was so much Star Trek, as
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you hate Babylon, 5 Buffy, the Vampire.
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Pia Slayer comes along often. See the X-Files, like, it was,
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there was all this very stylish, very exciting.
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Genre TV bench and out, and it's spawned a lot of other shows, as
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well. There was a lot of sort of like
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one hit, two it to series shows the Roswell.
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Most well, yes, yeah. That here nineties as well.
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And that was supposed to be the big thing, wasn't it?
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But that never that never really took off.
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Ha ha ha. And so, there was that kind of
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element of it being Filling a hole in a gap to as a nice 30
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minutes. Okay?
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But the other thing was it was so bloody good.
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Yeah, you know, it's, you're looking for sci-fi program but
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you're getting a sitcom. You know, it starts off
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essentially as a sitcom, the science-fiction elements of
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there are throughout the first couple of series, but it's not
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really until sort of like, Series 3 onwards where the
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really start to push what they're going to do with science
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fiction. So it becomes more like a
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science fiction sitcom after that.
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But you know, it's a sitcom first and foremost and has to be
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funny. Then it was it really made me is
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you know, it made me laugh. First time I watched it the
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second time I watched it third fourth. you know, on an episode
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last night because I watched an episode of accepting that really
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upset as Workout or band, or what am I going to put on a
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chair? Or ba put on a?
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Put on an episode of Red Dwarf? Which one did you watch?
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It was Qui. That is a classic.
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Basically appreciate what you got because I'll find a
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stochastic exactly as scripted as well.
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The performances by by everyone in that one is just it's just
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amazing because it starts off and it's a very limited sure.
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They don't you start off and you've got four characters,
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you've got Lister, you've got rimmer, you've got the cut, and
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you've got Holly and nuts it, and there.
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As for characters have to carry two series until the end of just
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Creighton and then you've got 55 code AS have to carry your whole
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series. I was reckon the, you know, the
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sort of the very, very how I concept episodes that start
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hitting is of late two and then three four, five and six but I
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feel like it takes a little while for those two billion and
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you're right. The first series is very much
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like a one-room sitcom yeah you know and death.
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Focuses on character drama, a lot of the time.
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Absolutely. And he's really good character
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drama as well. It is.
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It's the first series is very much.
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The old couple in space. Yeah, you know, it's you've got
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the four characters, but the cat and Holly are very be
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peripheral, and the cap just comes in wasn't a highlight.
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But although the serious one, the cat, you know, was it, this
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is my shiny things. Shiny thing at the top of the
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string at the bottom. I think he's so charismatic.
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Mattock, he is he's fantastic character but he's not that the
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the heart of the show, The Heart of the show is that relationship
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between Lister and Rima to really, I mean, it's funny.
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I was thinking this is not the day of list.
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Those are not very unlikable person either baby.
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He's an asshole. He's a slob.
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He's who Revels any slobbery, he's actually proud of being,
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you know, the kind of guy who Doesn't brush his teeth are,
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doesn't change his clothes or you know put these under pants
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on backwards, five weeks to get double double about that sort of
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thing and it's a lifestyle I can get behind entirely, you know.
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Absolutely, but he's the hero of the shore, the the other guy,
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but he's playing against is even worse than him.
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The sort of why don't you do that?
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Did you ever see the American version, where they, who made
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the more they made? They cast is sort of, jock as
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the lead and I didn't work. At all, because he was really
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sexy. I mean, I think Ray Charles is
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pretty sexy, but he's so Charming in that role.
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Yeah, but you're behind him from the first second.
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Oh, you're right Rivers. Such a awesome pretentious of
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vicious asshole. Especially to unlikable,
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characters, doesn't it to inaudible?
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Can't the hell did this work? It's the custom.
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Yeah, you know, it's the right and it's the custom.
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Everything just comes together. It's that first series, you
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know, You shouldn't work really you look at it and there's a
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reason why, you know the latest these odd sort of the middle
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series, I talked about more than anything is that first series is
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really, it's finding its feet. You know it's you know the the
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the sets are of a very questionable standard the actors
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are finding their feet. The plot the plots are really
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good and some really good, good ideas in there.
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I am. But ultimately, it's the second
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series on where the kind of late were know what we're doing now
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and the BBC gives them a bit more money and some got bit
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better sets bit, better ideas. And then the go with that Series
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3 is again, another sort of is a real Leap Forward and the girl
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from heaven but slow opening shot.
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The beautiful model work with the slower version of the theme
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to that sort of like really intense and Haley me why they
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ever move to CG. III have no, I don't know why
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because it was the latest Innovation.
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They wanted to try it out and fair enough.
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It looks so mad cartoon and they went back to model work later
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on, but that early model work was so good.
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Or did you see the one where the re did all the effect also.
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Yeah, I had. Those are the videos all I had.
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Yeah. With the cartoons.
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Yeah. And the put little had think the
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cartoon ship and had the used to do things like put like little
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cartoon scholars in our that was offensive water and great.
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Oh where is that? The motor work in those early
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Seasons. Yeah, I just think the pan
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across Red Dwarf in the title sequence.
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Oh yeah it's Pete's reminds me of the trial sequence at the
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beginning of a mysterious planet.
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Yes. Is that sort of standard?
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Yeah, but that the beauty is is that the, you know, the use
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those model shots all over and over again.
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You know, the just got that model of Red Dwarf and the
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years, you know, the Lord of shots that the model of starbug
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which was another great innovation in in series 3
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Because by series 3 You know you kind of running out of ideas on
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E like well yet we've managed to get two series up.
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No 12 episodes out of four characters stuck on a ship but
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we need to do more so than either be getting off the ship.
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So bringing in starbug bringing in Creighton you know great sort
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of Boost's. Children, the on boosting the
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arm to get them going forward in.
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But I think see how come free they are so confident.
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Oh yeah. What they're doing and with
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their High Concepts, and you got stuff like polymorph and think
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about that coming out and man. It is gold.
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Yeah, so that's a clever thing because this is like the
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wouldn't talk through the first quarter to use is room as you
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know, belief about aliens alien. It's a, it's a quake.
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Warrior Lena aliens used to hop on phone.
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He goes, what is it? It's a garbage dump its it's a
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smoking looking at stop the credit that's so funny that and
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you know they're leaning into their and series one.
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They leaning into like The Odd Couple on there.
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Yeah and what's really interesting is you've got to
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different classes of people there or I lose I think rimmer
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thinks yeah he's like middle-class 80 a technical
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thing is lower class but and Dave Lister.
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And then you've got like two people from two different
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regions as well, really. It's very Posh list is from up
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North. So they're playing on that as
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well. There's just lots of ways to
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have conflict between the two characters.
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Absolutely, I think we must remember the background is quite
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middle class. He's kind of like, because he's
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Brothers, it's got couple Brothers as onion.
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They are, you know, Flying high in the space Corps or captains
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and doing real well, and he's kind of like the embarrassment
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of the family. And, you know, the one that
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can't get past these first engineering exam and So I think
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there is that that sort of class divide with them as well.
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I just go back to just feel like this.
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There's the kind of culture difference between those two
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characters. It's very clever.
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Yeah, you know, and I think I've seen comedies where they bring
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together two people like this stuff from very different
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backgrounds and it can be a bit agonizing and a bit annoying.
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Yeah, but like you say, for you bringing Crow, Charles and you
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bring in Chris Barry and Chris Perry I think is the EPO Red
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Dwarf. I think all go on.
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Oh, you're looking absolutely tolls to be honest.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think I mean, the whole cast
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or the Caston is just is brilliant in this because it can
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make or break a show called in none of them are actors.
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None of them are increase. Their he's a pretty good actor,
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it wasn't an act according to this little really know.
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It was an impressionist. Well that was a bold move then.
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Yeah. Chris Perry.
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Wasn't that actually cast Alfred Molina is Reema?
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I don't actually know that is and Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2.
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Oh wow he was in read was even realize.
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He was one of the funner than Janet Jones films as well.
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Be please, dr. Octopus and Sammy.
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Spider-Man 2, what happened, then how Chris Perry, get the
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Paul. I think Alfred Molina just, you
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know, tried and she thought, no, this isn't, this isn't going to
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work on, get the hand. I would recommend auditioned as
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well for this show, but instead of cast an act, as what they've
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done is the cast, Chris Barrie, who was Lexie best known as an
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impressionist. At the time, he was doing
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spitting image of Isis and and that you've got Norman Love It.
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Who was a stand-up comedian, you know?
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I didn't say, I say there is no performer on this planet.
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That can deliver our one. Liner with such dryness tunnel
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absolutely head to the nearest. One of these young Danny.
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John Jules is probably the closest because he was a dancer
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and he done made Marion at this point, nor does me and Marine
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juvenile after. And but you can, he was going
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into this best known as being a dancer.
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He was think he turned looks Shop of Horrors.
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The see, my inseam at the end of The Chorus Line and Little Shop
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of Horrors. But again, relatively unknown
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but not known for acting. But then, you've got critic
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Charles, who is a port of all things are standard Port, who
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again, you're sort of blink blogs The Producers for an
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audition and get to the pot of list.
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Uh, so he comes in and he's, you know, wins over as list.
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I mean, Chris Powell, he's got got an easy job of playing
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rimmer because we're no. Rumor is the heal, my mother
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that also he's the one that was supposed to laugh at and kinda
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M. You know, he's the butt of the
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joke. Whereas Lister has to be as
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we've said the hero, but again, he's available total slob at the
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same time. Yeah, so it's it Chris clear.
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Charles Winters over straight away with his his Charisma and
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makes us like list that makes makes us, you know, listing at
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the hero more through his performance than anything else.
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And whereas you know Rema is, you know, it's just an office
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all about He's a very well played.
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Also don't get us wrong but I think you know without queer
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Charles winning us over as Lister would don't then have
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that, that whole dynamic, you're just looking at the two people
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and I'm trying to think of another show where it's just a
21:45
load of unlikable. People swimming like, Heip show.
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Yeah, yeah. And to a certain extent but the
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things like it was American kids things with the kids just
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running around like Gossip Girl and gotten.
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Oh yeah not as he was. I oh yeah.
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It's just it's just a short full of people.
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I don't like I don't want to watch this.
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But all of them, all of these four, original cast members,
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come in and do some absolutely fantastic with what they've
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given, what they've been given that you see a nominal of it is
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is there was Leave the just absolute dead.
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You've never seen a computer like this.
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No. I mean, even even if you haven't
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watched, like, next Generation anything you do, you got, they
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computers in sort of Blake's 7 and in Doctor Who, which are are
22:36
not like this year, though. They are actually capable and
22:43
functional and Holly comes along.
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Is all right, dude. Do you remember?
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I think it's inquiries and it worries of rotten.
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Plug that wire in there. I think it's the blue one.
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And then he goes in slow motion explodes over the console.
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And yes. All right.
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I think it might be the result. The yellow definitely.
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So basically what you're saying is all these nobody's come
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together and then this astonishing chemistry.
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Absolutely is a result lie. You know that the go on other
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things, you know, Chris Perry goes and does British Empire.
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Yeah, there was a point in the nineties.
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All right? When you could not turn on the
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TV and not see, Chris Barrie. Absolutely.
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No goodness away with somebody annoying, which he does so,
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well, create Charles goes on and Coronation Street.
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And Danny Jones rules does discussed, Maid Marian, and her
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merry men, and he, then he goes on to other things such as Death
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in Paradise. He was a nut.
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Yeah, Norman love. It is still, you know, it's
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probably the least successful, he did, get His own sitcom be to
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get his owns. It had his name in it and I love
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it. Yeah.
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So that was 14. I was pretty weird.
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I remember watching that misleading been like this is a
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few bits. It was a bit are Mighty Boosh by
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all accounts. You know, Norman Love.
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It's very hard work whenever they talk about in the
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behind-the-scenes documentary, they're all just going on.
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God, he was there whinging in the rehearsal room about this
24:14
that and the other but you know what?
24:15
It's worth it though. It's worth it.
24:18
Yeah. And then of course Robert
24:20
Llewellyn comes in, in Sue's 30, actually, maybe he's a VP.
24:24
Now I'm saying they're all the MVP now and I think I think, I
24:28
mean, I think I love Robert labelling, I love what he does.
24:32
McCracken Creighton's starts out as a very interesting code.
24:37
I think, you know, as the again, the dysfunctional, you know,
24:40
you've never seen a robot. Like this, a robot.
24:42
Who is you? Expect the robot in.
24:44
This is how he ends up ends up. Being sort of like, The Spock of
24:48
the group P.A down, or he has all the exposition and he
24:51
delivers it brilliantly and varies.
24:53
One is what the character starts off as a bhag, bhag bot, his
24:56
mother calls him. He's this is a sanitation truck.
24:58
He's a you start off in his first episode of, you know, it's
25:04
great as the sort of like the bottle.
25:05
That that's where Creighton comes from.
25:07
Its the, The Honorable creating the film where it's It's a group
25:17
of. It's like a family but the leg
25:20
up a class in the pot, the butler with them and get
25:21
stranded on a desert island. It's almost like sort of
25:25
Robinson who absorbs find Robinson and that in the all
25:28
have to survive and this obviously the butler's the only
25:30
one that's got anything about them so he kinda takes
25:35
overcharge you know he's organizing the family and you
25:38
know from the time that does add a done to come and I respect him
25:41
as an equal and everything and then they get rescued and it
25:44
goes back to being a butt like this like this last scene where
25:47
am I? Hope of getting rescued and
25:50
returned. The the robot comes insurance at
25:52
all but where's Crichton and he comes out where these he's
25:55
dinner suit gone and he's gone back to being that Butler.
25:58
It's just so like it's really like one of these sort of like
26:02
really powerful powerful moments of, I can't remember how they
26:06
react to that, but it's like, oh shit.
26:07
Yeah, it's really hits his. But anyhow, Creighton was based
26:11
on that character and you know, cry 10, instead of Creighton
26:15
there's you would normally spell it and that's the way starts
26:18
out. As this sort of like really
26:19
surveil and it's so weird because it's a different actor,
26:22
isn't that physical? I think he's really good.
26:25
The boy actor in crying wonderful sequence where he's
26:29
got all those skeletons dolled up and they all think they're
26:32
going to get laid. So they're all covered of rivers
26:35
in dress uniform and everything like that.
26:39
You sure what about this one? Listen ago, it.
26:43
Did I ever tell you about my friend?
26:44
Dice has to be brave. But I think this is the count of
26:52
develops, you know, creating becomes more like you're
26:54
stranded. Robot and unfortunate.
26:59
The short does tend to focus more on creating than it does
27:02
the other character. So it kind of comes comes
27:05
through a bit of an idea and C7 where you've got sort of like
27:10
that separates, which is very quite and heavy of them going at
27:13
the video and he's, you know, chance constraint without
27:16
prejudice with. Yeah, yeah, he's heads, blown up
27:19
and whatnot. And that's that's very funny.
27:23
Just playing this jealous friend.
27:26
And it's Exactly, exactly. It's it's much more fun when
27:29
they have things like you spare heads, but he's like after a few
27:31
minutes it. What about spare, head, three,
27:33
he's got dried right at ya. You know what though?
27:37
There is a late crying episode that I like and series outcry
27:41
TV. He's a prison.
27:44
And yeah, he gets old entrepreneurial and starts
27:47
exploiting the women in the showers and yeah, it did it
27:51
does. But it's you know at this point
27:53
what kind of where with the middle I think the Area is where
27:57
word for chit the shoulders start kinda blog.
28:02
What one of my questions for you was?
28:03
When does Red Dwarf jump the shark?
28:07
Because I think, I think a lot of people would say that 126.
28:13
Yep. Is Yo.
28:14
Either solid or brilliant? Yep.
28:17
I think for was your favorite season, isn't it?
28:20
It is, yes. I think there's absolutely no
28:22
different for every single episode.
28:24
They're not even the wax world one.
28:26
That's brilliant. Where we must getting Gandhi to
28:30
do. Push-ups.
28:34
Well, it's getting lynched. They do.
28:41
Don't they all these important figures for history?
28:47
Okay, now I'm talking about it is actually very funny, it's
28:50
hilarious. If that's the worst episodes of
28:53
that series, then you know, it's Better than some of the things
28:57
that are going to come unfortunate because it is right
29:01
after Series, 6, for me, where where it goes wrong because
29:05
you're a couple things happen. The visitors, you're getting a
29:08
HEPA series of your I-20. You know, you've got C was 1 in
29:12
88. Seems to is also an 80 83, and
29:15
80 94, 91, 5 and 92. You got six in 93 and then you
29:20
hit a block beneath the series. 7 doesn't come out until 1997.
29:25
Sounds like a four-year Gap. Between.
29:28
Between I wonder you Doug Naylor for the he couldn't do it alone
29:32
and some people would still say he couldn't do it alone.
29:35
You know, given what came afterwards?
29:37
Yeah, there's I mean there's unfortunate, there is a big drop
29:40
in products at aware that split up in this between Robert and
29:44
took me around the go off and do separate thing.
29:46
They lose the audience, don't they?
29:47
It goes on film goes on film. It's something very polished
29:51
looking. Yes.
29:52
I mean, this is, it's a bit of a victim of its own success.
29:56
Now, you know, it's it's, you know, Series 5 is probably, I
30:00
think Series 6 is got some elements which are questionable
30:03
ethics setting. The whole thing on starbug and
30:06
six is my favorite season. Yeah, I live in is a week.
30:09
Note in six, I think I think the overall idea of six where they
30:13
were trying to cut your head off, if that had been resolved
30:15
at the end of 6 or the start 7 then maybe put it just having
30:20
that sort of like series Arc, I think doesn't really work by all
30:24
means, get off the ship. Can I very quickly just tell you
30:27
A Tale of you for Out Series 6 on yes please.
30:29
You know whilst the size not here obviously so I'll have to
30:32
do it myself but I was so excited.
30:35
I was at the just the perfect when was six out, Lonnie 33,
30:39
make three tasks 13. Okay, so I'm primed for this
30:43
sort of Best of Both Worlds, Cliff, Hanger ending, and
30:47
there's rimmer, they're, you know, and they're all being
30:49
murdered in starbug and he's got the gun and he shoots the time
30:53
drive and the ship blows up. Well, I'll tell you what, I
30:56
reenacted that scene in Mob. Bedroom.
30:58
So many times, I was rumor going around with a gun going work,
31:02
right? And what, how do we get out of
31:04
this? Yeah, I absolutely was gagging
31:10
for the next season. I remember feeling a palpable
31:13
absence that are wasn't anymore for years after that.
31:16
Yeah, and then it's like you see it comes back but it comes back
31:19
like super polished. Like it's CGI effects again,
31:23
which is One of the things that happens in series 5 is the
31:28
blow-up Red Dwarf? Yes.
31:30
It's, you've got that demons and angels episode.
31:32
She's one that no one ever talks about where and that actually
31:35
blew up Red Rover. Gets put back together, but
31:38
they're physically blow up the model.
31:40
So after that and they've got no more model to do any shots.
31:44
So any shot after that, which is model work, is got to be done.
31:49
You know, it's got to be stock footage.
31:51
We and we which again kind of explains why in cu6.
31:55
There is no red dwarf. It's just all and seven star
31:58
book, but, you know, seven, it's it's more episodes of sort of
32:05
Eight Episodes is the rather than just the six and it has got
32:09
this film quality though, it hasn't it.
32:10
It's it's weird for a show that was kind of, I don't think she
32:15
thought that sometimes it was really created a mate, but it
32:17
was kind of cheap and cheerful at it.
32:19
It's badly. Salty afford a key characters.
32:22
It suddenly look like a Hollywood clot Buster.
32:24
You know what? You need a second opinion.
32:27
Yeah, it's yeah. It is, it's, it's, it's not Star
32:31
Trek. That's the thing.
32:32
It's, it's the underbelly of sci-fi isn't it?
32:35
Is knows this isn't, you know, the top-of-the-range ship.
32:37
This is a this is a butter, the world motor rather than a, you
32:42
know, record running around in these rules, Royce Fuller, the
32:45
cream of the cream. And this is Starbuck works so
32:48
well. Is like a terrible old
32:50
Volkswagen Beetles from spikes. Wasn't exactly.
32:54
Exactly. And so your scrapping that
32:57
you've got rid of the studio audience, or it's a bit like,
33:00
okay, you know, and you will see in the performances because they
33:04
play to the idiots in 16, you know, they know when I laugh
33:08
hits, they'll wait. Yep.
33:10
As our audience is peripatetic, you know, actually, and then
33:14
obviously Rim has gone as well. Yes.
33:17
Yes. Oh hello.
33:19
But yeah, but you know what? He's noticeable and the bring
33:22
and bring back a chance key but it's a different kitchen.
33:25
Ski you be careful. There are by our off be coming
33:28
after you a laughs. Chloe, they're not have
33:31
absolutely nothing against Chloe.
33:32
And I think ruin that comes in and gives a performance and, you
33:36
know, in The Following Season as well, you know, she does
33:39
fantastically well with what she's given But ultimately, it's
33:42
not the same character, it's not the kochanski that we've had in
33:45
the first A few, I don't know if if Claire Grogan just wasn't
33:50
available or didn't want to do it or what, but, you know,
33:53
bringing in a different actress, then having them play a
33:57
different character, as well, you know, someone being like,
34:00
there's like, the line is and they bring in a lot of very
34:04
bizarre, sort of woman comedy in that season like, the whole
34:09
thing of have a fantastic period of things like that.
34:12
And I'm like, this is a bit awkward to, you know?
34:14
Yeah. When it was just all the blocks
34:16
together, You could get away with this sharply, you know.
34:18
Exactly. And so, you know, this is where
34:20
the see it hits the skids, you know, you're going to then, you
34:24
know, you have another Cliffhanger Susie.
34:27
It is a much more return to form.
34:30
Well, I think that the reaction 27 was so traumatic.
34:33
They were like, no, we need to bring back the studio audience,
34:35
we need to tone this down. We need to get back to character
34:37
drama. Yeah, but they still want to do
34:40
it on a big scale. They still here, big effects
34:42
sequences, and set pieces and things like that.
34:45
Again, it doesn't. Always work because the kind of
34:48
go too far on real going to bring back rimmer but we're
34:51
going to do bring back the captain and the rest of the ship
34:54
will bring back Red. Dwarf will bring back old, Holly
34:57
will bring back rimmer but then the go to Father just bring
34:59
everyone back. So now you've gone from this
35:02
sort of like, you know, Odd Couple scenario where it's just
35:06
the two of them. And the trying to figure out how
35:09
the not going to just tell each other what.
35:11
Then you've got this whole ensemble cast and again it just
35:15
there's good points to it, there's good.
35:16
They're absolutely races. Like Sandra, I think is a
35:19
brilliant episode in seriously. Yeah, but as what, I think the
35:22
biggest problem is the ultimate problem.
35:25
Post Series 6 is, it's just not as funny.
35:29
Yeah. I'm not saying I'm not saying.
35:32
What's the fellows name is? Doug Naylor and Rob Grant.
35:35
I'm not saying rob Grant brought all the humor in those early
35:37
scenes but they're the two of them together.
35:40
They seem to just have this beautiful mix of high concept
35:43
ideas and genuinely funny joke. Oakes.
35:46
Yeah, absence of something is missing after six, it take,
35:50
Bobby. Okay.
35:50
Without Dave, Martin isn't it? It's it's good but it's just not
35:53
quite as good as theirs. What was that people do?
35:56
You know, it's not even like red wolf can sustain change because
36:01
I think even in 126 you have one and two which is like the sitcom
36:05
period. Yeah.
36:06
Then you have 3 to 5 which is like all like crazy high concept
36:12
ideas backwards and things like that.
36:13
The Inquisitor polymorph, you know, big bigger.
36:16
Ideas, very, very funny ideas and then you've got six which is
36:20
all kind of starbug contained, isn't it?
36:22
And yeah, and they're doing a lot of character work there.
36:24
So this the series is going through, like, that's the
36:27
challenge and is evolving and what you see later on when it
36:31
goes to div. Because, obviously, after to use
36:34
it, you know, these changes in 2008 which are not nearly as
36:38
successful and popular, as they would like, the wheels come off
36:42
the BBC box out. And it's Dave, All UK TV that
36:47
pick it up and start producing it in there, Get Back to Basics.
36:51
I think it's a lot more successful actually.
36:53
It's not as successful, but I think they hit rate is a lot
36:57
better. It's not as good as it was.
37:00
I mean, the dear viewers aren't as laugh out loud.
37:03
You know, the not as memorable. It's not, you know, it doesn't,
37:07
you know, draw me in as much as this one, a six.
37:12
So when I do my five favorite episodes, you know, those are
37:14
all going to be fun. Um, want to 6, because that's
37:17
where my heart is, this that's fair, but there's there is a
37:20
few, like, I think so, or not. Is it lemons, the one with
37:23
Jesus? That is very, but yeah, it goes
37:26
out Jesus Christ and he goes yes, I mean, Captain bollocks is
37:32
an aside one. There's a one with all the
37:34
different rivers and there's this 3D printer.
37:37
That's yeah, it's out. This horribly ghoulish.
37:41
Mutated hundred rimmer's coming down the corridor as I mean,
37:45
there's some there's some big ideas and I think the show at
37:48
this point is really selling itself on the chemistry of
37:50
delicious they're sort of group chemistry.
37:53
But it's it's it kind of it does that whole Star Trek to thing
37:57
where, you know, it realizes actually these characters, these
38:01
actors aren't The kids anymore, you know, they aren't ya.
38:06
You know, you have like the motion Star Trek, the motion
38:08
picture, which is, you know, you've got visibly agent.
38:12
Bill Shatner trying to be, is that he was when you first
38:17
started you know and it's not until to whether I should go.
38:20
Yeah, this Camp has all know since the glasses on her over
38:23
and he's like, yeah, you know, I'm not like I used to be but
38:27
let's make the most of that. Let's You know, have the coat
38:32
that you didn't, that's, you know, make the character older
38:36
and wiser, and more experienced it, because that's what B Khan
38:40
in the end. Isn't it Cooks experience over
38:43
over Khan and You'll do the same with with the last, you know,
38:49
few series of Red Dwarf in order that the drugs are more around
38:52
middle-aged and you know, thinning hair and whatnot.
38:55
So that I couldn't shipping. Life could contribute to the
38:58
fact that people say it's past its prime just because they are
39:03
a little bit past their Prime. Now, it's, you know, not not, I
39:06
think the legacy of the writing is, is always the key to this,
39:10
you know, a sitcom. You can have the best actors in
39:13
the world either we're starting with you haven't.
39:15
Got the gags, you're not, you know, that accident that it's
39:18
the guy great, more than anything that that lets the
39:22
later series down for me where as you know, when we come to
39:25
talk about something like series for its just hit after hit after
39:28
hit after hit. Okay.
39:31
Well then I'm going to circle you around them back to Red
39:33
Dwarf at its prime because I think it would be a shame to
39:38
focus too much on where things went wrong or went downhill a
39:43
little bit and obviously you're focusing.
39:45
Five episodes on you know, red Rolfe when it was at its
39:49
apotheosis. So I want to ask you then to
39:54
choose one episode from each season.
39:57
Not necessarily episode. We're going to talk about which
40:01
exemplifies 126 at their best. I am Okay.
40:07
Louise. Why series 1?
40:11
I think I like future Echoes second one.
40:14
I think that's again. It's got like a really good
40:17
sound idea behind there. It's a funny one because the
40:20
book really explains why you know, the see in future Echoes
40:25
why you know and certainly in the book it's explained that as
40:29
soon as the reactor blew Holly just set off out the solar
40:33
system as quick as possible in the shift just accelerates.
40:36
And second the accelerator three million years until I get to the
40:39
point where it's traveling faster than the speed of light.
40:41
Oh, that's clever which isn't really explained in the, in the
40:46
TV episode, you've got a have that background from the book to
40:49
appreciate but it's you know what though there's a genuine
40:52
sequence in that where he says oh I've seen you die.
40:56
Yeah and it all plays out with Lister desperately trying to
41:00
prevent that from happening but still having to do what he's got
41:02
to do with the drive console. Yeah it is.
41:04
And that was the point. I was like, yeah, this is Just
41:07
funny. This is draw boxes.
41:08
Clever. Yeah, you've got the drama.
41:11
You've got the the Sci-Fi Concept in.
41:13
You've got the last as well, like the bit where Holly gives
41:17
remember beehive. I look like Helen Shapiro.
41:28
Yes. So you know there's lots of
41:31
laughs, there's lots of good ideas and there's lots of but
41:34
you see drama in that one. For series 2.
41:40
And I think I would pick off, you know, because, you know,
41:46
there's two, isn't it? Oh, I think sorry, I'm taking
41:48
over now, but better than life better than life.
41:52
Just sounds. It's like, you know, it's
41:55
virtual reality before virtual don't really was really a proper
41:58
thing. You know, that's and again
42:02
that's you can see. This is the point where they
42:04
would need to get off this ship would need to find ways of
42:07
getting more characters involved.
42:09
You have like, stasis, leak, mesothelioma need more coat as
42:12
well. Go back in time.
42:13
That's a really funny one, as well.
42:14
Yeah. Of the point where all the
42:16
characters, there's like three versions of every cat.
42:18
I'm the rimmer who's with the list of who's with it, and it's
42:23
just that lovely scene with him and the captain ways like, you
42:26
know, describing list, uh, feed them the magic mushrooms and
42:32
I'll get to the point also. Yes, but where did Captain
42:36
Hollister toes up in the chicken costume?
42:38
Everybody thinks he's still high but it's got that.
42:42
I am not little bit where the go through the steer.
42:44
Sit in the café. What is it, is it?
42:45
Yeah, its its Singularity is a potent.
42:49
What is it? It's you know, it's this booth
42:51
freezer sounds like it's a Magic Door.
42:56
Oh, why didn't you say? Three then is oh boy this is
43:04
tough. Yeah again I think I'll try not
43:09
trying to avoid once I'm actually going to pick as well.
43:11
So on top of big up a few other ones and I like backwards.
43:15
I think that's a really good open to the series because again
43:18
with there's a jump in person has change in personality, but
43:22
creating company. But the new Holley coming in and
43:25
I think it's really good to get to the half Creighton having
43:29
these driving Can shoot dramatic.
43:33
Look at it the really, really high high sci-fi concept,
43:36
getting them off the ship and I think that's the point where
43:39
they realize what they can do visually as well.
43:41
Yeah, yeah. I've got like new costumes that
43:43
got new new the but star book and it's a good you know we've
43:48
introduced in starbug and new Holley and that's all backwards
43:52
a show that has the most disgusting visual sequence I can
43:56
ever remember watching as a child and that is the woman on
43:59
eating that chocolate. We're all right, so, it's vile.
44:04
And for all talked about the wax one of it were Aw.
44:10
It's got It's So Good. See every every episode seems
44:14
for Scott cement love about like Camille.
44:16
Where is like let's just try to treat straightener to lie, you
44:23
get the oldest me fact that I don't even disguise of that
44:27
monster. He's so shit as well.
44:31
I think they mentioned jump as well stands out because you've
44:33
got like the rumor that isn't the It's also the one that's
44:40
actually made some guy out of his life.
44:42
And again that's just rude to just catch.
44:44
Resin is what a guy Smokey week is extraordinary, isn't it?
44:49
It gives Chris Perry like the opportunity to do do something
44:52
else or it stopped by the trying to sneak off and drama right?
44:57
We had to do an acting project. Yeah I haven't I've still got a
45:01
recording of a bunch of us. It's on a cassette that I've got
45:04
because they're player anymore. We had the script book read off
45:08
and diamond. And jump was in there and we
45:10
read out the entirety of Dimension job and asking tell
45:13
you. Now, you definitely need
45:15
skillful actors because it was so fucking painfully.
45:17
Unfunny our version is a great script.
45:21
Oh yeah. Yeah.
45:22
Series 5. That's a strong air again.
45:29
Yeah. Yeah we did is really as you
45:31
said about demons and angels, why'd you say no one talks about
45:33
that. It's just the other ones are
45:35
more popular. I know you've got you've got the
45:37
hollow ship. One you've got back to reality
45:40
obviously between W. So everyone you think she was
45:42
five? I think.
45:43
Yeah, I got the telephone which I really love are played that
45:48
one to death without the repeated, I'm going to take off
45:51
the table because you couldn't go to a website and watch that
45:52
one if there. Because then again that's I just
45:54
love that the pit with a claw hand where it claims that he's
45:57
Says, and he's like, yeah, there's something on my leg is
46:02
stuck. You haven't seen the size of it.
46:08
People just love. I love element or that's
46:12
probably going to be one. He picks to be honest.
46:14
Is that the season with sexy Jane Horrocks in it?
46:16
Yes. Oh man, she's gone.
46:19
Doesn't she say? Yes, I thought'd we would go and
46:22
have sex this afternoon. It's got him.
46:27
Who's the other guy that comes from the ship?
46:29
And oh, I meant. Yeah, I know.
46:33
I don't actually really he's well known as well.
46:36
Yeah. If that they do in size later
46:39
Seasons, they do have a habit of bringing in some pretty strong,
46:42
a thumbs-up, and Timothy spores in blackjack back to reality,
46:45
isn't it? Yeah.
46:48
Oh, can I just get one line C please?
46:49
I'm so sorry. You know, I've got to do this
46:52
but rumors lied in demons and angels.
46:54
What was that? I'm going to whip you.
46:57
You to an inch of your life and then I'm going to have you do
47:02
it, stop it. Oh my God, the really inch of
47:11
humor in it. Also because you've got like
47:14
seems like that which I'll just get the left just for being old
47:17
of the up. You've got like the one-liners
47:19
that your whole ship but they'd so they've taken mr.
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Rimmer, they've taken mr. Rimmer quick.
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Let's go up before the bring them back.
47:26
I love that. In fact they do act so several
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times. My favorite ever is was it
47:32
switch switch from Red Alert that blue and lots of Red Alert.
47:35
Are you sure? Sir.
47:36
It does mean changing the bulb? It's correct that it's six
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attention to how cheap the showing.
47:44
Huh. Often us genius?
47:46
It's brilliant. We pick the six would be Legion
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because I just, I love again talking about different types of
47:53
Comedy. You've got that slapstick where
47:56
they're all trying to knock River and the try need the food
47:59
with the Chopsticks and, you know, it's just so in that is
48:03
pure Force, isn't it? Absolutely fine for the and
48:05
yeah, I'll look, how's that fellow played Legion was a
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serious classical actor and he was in that costume.
48:11
Try to give a really serious performance.
48:15
Yeah. Okay, not that one.
48:17
But he didn't want to do is really clever because obviously
48:20
got rimmer who is Holograms, who can't do anything.
48:23
And again woman, that's a bit will turn me into a hard light
48:28
hologram where you can actually touch things and it's also again
48:31
like the new Ed. Good Sci-Fi concept coming in
48:34
there or La mention, two more. Yeah, marooned from series free,
48:41
which I think is the best character drawbar they did in
48:45
the entire rather. That's basically just My list
48:48
are stuck on a planet telling stories to each other.
48:52
And boy, is so funny. He's was it, your guitar was
48:56
made of camphor wood and he's burning his bloody box.
49:01
Yes. Excellent.
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But also thanks for the memory as well which I think is one of
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the best plotted scripts they did.
49:10
It's that it's a sort of jigsaw puzzle that you put together and
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it doesn't all come together until the very last shot and
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have you. You ever actually had a triple
49:19
fried egg sandwich with chili sauce and Chutney.
49:22
I feel like I'm having a baby is high.
49:31
Anyway that's all right I'll give you my five picks then go
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on in since we've been talking all about swords, I'll give you
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the five that I have picked, which I'm going to say now will
49:43
probably change, but it's really difficult just to get five is
49:47
the first thing. Say, because let's say
49:50
everything was talk about you. What could do those episodes?
49:52
And, you know, tottentot top because the saw so good.
49:56
It was really difficult to not just pick all of series for
50:01
because again, absolutely fantastic.
50:03
But what I'm going to pick is I want to pick terraformed from
50:07
Series 5 because like I said, that was, that was one of the
50:11
ones that really got me into it and it's just every scene is
50:16
just a banger. In that single from it.
50:19
My concept that's yeah study that's a good one.
50:24
I'm going to talk about the end which is the very first one
50:29
because I think that though the series one is it's very raw and
50:35
wealth and finding its feet. You know, even in that episode,
50:38
you can see the beginnings of. If really, something, really
50:42
special praise, I'll be. I've been eating the crew.
50:48
You trying to tell me you everybody's dead.
50:51
Everybody is dead. Dave and queeg.
50:56
We're gonna go with Craig gold and because again, it's just,
51:01
you know, you've got a, you've got with my enormous, love it.
51:05
That's, that's a really strong episode for him.
51:07
And I'm going to go with polymorph.
51:11
The secrets of the box of shows that you are you sure?
51:15
Yes. Betty.
51:18
Spaghetti. Honestly, your have anything.
51:22
Would you list are again just so many good Concepts.
51:28
And you know, the give the Casimir new to do with the
51:33
characters which is, which is fantastic.
51:35
Every last one is going to be probably my favorite all-time
51:39
episode of Red Dwarf ever. So, what is it?
51:46
It's a white hole that you're favoring.
51:53
Yeah, again it's just It's one where every scene is just full
51:59
of laughs and you're full of great ideas.
52:01
I mean, paint playing pool with planets.
52:03
Oh, hi guys is brilliant. It's just, you know, and you've
52:08
got everything leading up to that of sort of like Holly and
52:11
talk is toaster coming in. And yes just you know I use all
52:17
the time. I'll go was it given that the
52:19
universe is also infinite? Would you like a double cheese
52:24
waffle? Not just ready.
52:28
It's a bit currently as well. Those are absolutely brilliant.
52:34
Brilliant choices I will obviously go into why you chose
52:38
her nose in a lot more depth when we do the commentaries.
52:40
So to sort of round this off then and bring this to a close
52:45
how how would you describe red dwarf?
52:51
Like, what are your feelings about red dwarf and how would
52:55
you summarize them, summarize? It, it's It's it's, it's hard to
53:01
summarize, it's in just one sense, but if they want to be
53:03
like BBC, those Star Trek, but realizes that on a shoestring
53:08
see, can't do Star Trek with the budget, submix it funny.
53:12
Instead bbcgirls. Yeah, we're never going to much.
53:15
That's a let's just - comedy and and that's where it succeeds is.
53:21
How sort of no one is of its limitations and rather than
53:24
trying to be, you know, the oval, for example.
53:28
Oh, and where they have got, all the money.
53:29
It is just down and dirty and it's the it's the losers, isn't
53:33
it? The losers.
53:35
I'll get ya a moment. Okay.
53:37
Cheer for the underdog, Joe Patrick to it.
53:39
You talk about Star Trek on a budget.
53:42
Patrick Stewart, has a wonderful story about because he directed
53:45
an episode of nation duration called A Fistful of datas, which
53:48
is a Western and he was watching dumb and for the apocalypse and
53:52
it shot it. I mean, obviously, so in a muddy
53:55
field in Governor apocalypse, but if sign a very Going to Y
53:58
and he's watching this sci-fi comedy.
54:00
Western I'm going. This is very like the episode, I
54:03
think watched it for a little bit.
54:05
He literally says he picked up the phone to call his lawyer
54:09
because he thought that they had watched it and then whilst he
54:12
was waiting on the phone. He laughed, like he laughed at
54:15
one of the jokes and then he laughed again.
54:18
And then he put the phone down and he just ate that he fell in
54:22
love with the show from that point on.
54:24
Yeah, it means if we're doing six than gold, mine of the Lips
54:28
would be, would be the second one.
54:30
That's just again, the three of you had a kid.
54:33
Oh, and later can decide. But, yeah, just real real
54:46
sci-fi, it's got like a real and relatable feel do it more than
54:52
anything else. It's just so, bloody funny,
54:57
Well, I think we should end it there.
54:59
What a great note to end this on and let me just say I cannot
55:03
wait to do this episode off it. We're gonna laugh our heads off
55:06
what probably quote away from most of it is deaf.
55:10
Well, let's do it.