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Mac & Bone Hour 3: College Football Bold Predictions · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 2: July eighteenth and nineteenth. How about that. We're gonna do
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  Speaker 2: some college football bold predictions here. Make them bowl the
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  Speaker 2: boulder the better. We don't bring that week bleep up
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  Speaker 2: in here, do we, Fitty. We don't come in here
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  Speaker 2: with obvious stuff. We don't come in here if you
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  Speaker 2: bring if you bring the week, get that bleep out
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  Speaker 2: of here?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I like that, I'll go first. Right arch Manning wins
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  Speaker 2: the Heisman Trophy. Okay, is that week? Is that too weak?
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't think so. I know he's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be one of the betting favorites.
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  Speaker 2: I think arch Manning. I think two of the finalists
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  Speaker 2: will be you know, it's a heavy it's a heavy
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  Speaker 2: quarterback award, So I'm looking at teams I think are
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  Speaker 2: going to be there. So I think that arch Manning, CJ. Carr,
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  Speaker 2: and someone from Miami will be there. Whether it's Mensa,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's Malachi Tony. You've got Fletcher there. I think
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  Speaker 2: that those will be three reps. It'll be arch Manning, CJ. Carr,
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  Speaker 2: probably Mensa, but Malachay. Tony's also another guy here, kind
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  Speaker 2: of a fabulous here as a playmaker for Miami.
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  Speaker 3: You're you're You're not wrong about that, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I had a Heisman one too, So I guess I'll
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  Speaker 4: deliver mine here, but mine, Edward, God, I wish i'll do.
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  Speaker 3: Mine's all encompassing.
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  Speaker 4: Though, oh Notre Dame sweeps the Heisman Trophy and the CFP.
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  Speaker 4: I think Carr wins the Heisman Trophy. I just mentioned
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  Speaker 4: how I want Marcus Freeman to have a chance to
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  Speaker 4: win a national championship before he goes off to the NFL,
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  Speaker 4: because I think it's only a matter of time. Notre
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  Speaker 4: Dame is not gonna start the season preseason number one.
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  Speaker 4: They might even be the number one seed when we
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  Speaker 4: get the selection Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: Bone.
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  Speaker 4: I do think that the Fighting Irish get their first
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  Speaker 4: Heisman Trophy winner since the eighties. They get their first
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  Speaker 4: national championship since the eighties.
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  Speaker 2: I have them getting there. I think Mac may have
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  Speaker 2: something simpler this is this could be an all time
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  Speaker 2: disastrous show. The graphics situation here. He hasn't made its taste,
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  Speaker 2: but he's alluded to this.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I think Miami win the national championship. I think put
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  Speaker 2: those US up see right there, put that U up
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  Speaker 2: right there. I think we're gonna get Miami winning the
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  Speaker 2: national title. And I think we're gonna get Michael Irvin
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  Speaker 2: barking like a dog for about six weeks. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, is there. It just feels like the way
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  Speaker 2: the sport is going right now. There's not an SEC
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  Speaker 2: team that I think is in the Yes, Georgia's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be there, Texas is there. There's a number of teams,
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  Speaker 2: but this isn't the Alabama years. This isn't like that
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  Speaker 2: where I say, oh, Notre Dame. Miami can't overcome that.
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  Speaker 2: The big ten teams Olio State, they're great, Oregon's good.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the parody's there now for Miami and
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame to jump back towards the top.
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  Speaker 3: Very well. Could be the national title game bone between
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  Speaker 3: our first two bold predictions.
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  Speaker 4: I picked Notre Dame to win it. You picked Miami
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  Speaker 4: to win it. That could be the national title game
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  Speaker 4: when we get to it. When is it like January
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  Speaker 4: twenty sixth or whatever it is this year? Yeah, because
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  Speaker 4: we take so long now to determine a college football
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  Speaker 4: national champion.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to say that Virginia Tech will make the
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  Speaker 2: College Football Playoff in year one under James Franklin. I
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  Speaker 2: think the schedule's good for a while, but end of
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  Speaker 2: October on it's at Clemson, at SMU, at Miami in Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to be able to navigate
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  Speaker 2: enough there. I think they'll be better maybe next year.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to have a good start to
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  Speaker 2: the year, but I think ultimately that schedule is too hard.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm removing I'm removing a boldie from the equation,
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  Speaker 2: but I have another one for you. Fiddy. End of
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  Speaker 2: the year, Dabo Sweetee resigns enjoyed College Game Day Gabo
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  Speaker 2: and replaces Nick Saban, who takes a role as the
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  Speaker 2: Commissioner of college Football. Oh okay, he takes a coaching
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  Speaker 2: role on the show YEP. Nick Saban goes and does
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  Speaker 2: other stuff that he wants to do in the sport.
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  Speaker 2: Dabo takes that courso like role and I think it'll
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  Speaker 2: be great at it. And I think Nick Saban eventually
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  Speaker 2: wants to do more other stuff. How about that.
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  Speaker 4: I think both are actually a natural fits. I think
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  Speaker 4: Dabo would be great on television. He's got the charm,
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  Speaker 4: He's got the charisma. I think he'd I think he'd
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  Speaker 4: make that transition as kind of seamlessly as Nick Saban would.
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  Speaker 3: I also think, what you Nick Saban has bigger aspirations.
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  Speaker 2: I do think he can more that he can do.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna field.
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  Speaker 4: Out well and I think it's a genuine I think
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  Speaker 4: he cares about college football and the direction that the
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  Speaker 4: sport was going. Tell me if this applies for the
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  Speaker 4: Bold and if not, get that week bleep out of here,
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  Speaker 4: acc multi bid league and the College Football Playoff.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think we send at least two schools
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  Speaker 3: to the.
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  Speaker 2: CFP this year, so Miami and who's the other one.
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm buying the stock in the hype around
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  Speaker 4: around Smooth. I think I'm in on on Rhett Lashly
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  Speaker 4: and the and the Mustangs coming out of Dallas. I've
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  Speaker 4: mentioned that I think Clemson could win ten games this year,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't think Clemson makes the ACC title game.
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  Speaker 3: I think it'll be Miami. Think it'll be SMU.
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  Speaker 4: Think Miami wins the league obviously, but I do think
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  Speaker 4: SMU gets to the playoff for a second time in
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  Speaker 4: three years.
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  Speaker 3: And the league is a multi bit league again.
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  Speaker 2: Another team that a Bowl prediction came in on is Louisville.
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  Speaker 2: Someone a Texter says Louisville will be Old Miss week one.
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  Speaker 2: You know, of all these games we're talking about, that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of gone under the radar, that Louisville plays Old
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  Speaker 2: Miss in Nashville to open the season, we haven't really
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  Speaker 2: mentioned that in the list of games that that could
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  Speaker 2: be the hell of a football game. And if the
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  Speaker 2: ACC can get that one, that would be a huge
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  Speaker 2: start to the non conference for them, because can't see
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  Speaker 2: Clemson going down to that dead valley and win in
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  Speaker 2: Week one. But if Louisville can get on the board
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  Speaker 2: for the ACC that'd be pretty huge that game.
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  Speaker 3: As we're getting closer and closer to the season, right
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  Speaker 3: does look a lot more appealing.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And a Week one that isn't as low as we've
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  Speaker 4: seen in previous years. It feels like Week two has
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  Speaker 4: kind of re emerged as the premiere week early on
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  Speaker 4: in the year with all the big time matchups. I
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  Speaker 4: do think that one has flown under the radar. I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't It wouldn't surprise me. I know Pete Golding was
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  Speaker 4: able to galvanize that locker room last year.
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  Speaker 3: It's easy to do that when your head coach walks
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  Speaker 3: out on you.
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  Speaker 4: And I know they got Trindadad Shambliss's back, a legitimate
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  Speaker 4: Heisman Trophy contender. You got Key one Lacy back and
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  Speaker 4: that backfield when one of the best one to two
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  Speaker 4: punches in the SEC. I do have questions though, long
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  Speaker 4: term about Pete Golding moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: We know Louisville Wonder Brown with that quarterback position is
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  Speaker 3: going to look like even with all the turnover, if
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  Speaker 3: they were to beat the Rebels, I wouldn't be surprised.
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  Speaker 2: Uh seven O four five seven nine six ten the
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  Speaker 2: We may have crossed the bold wine here, Fittie right,
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you can go too far, ask Willie p uh
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  Speaker 2: seven oh four number says really, fsu will win the ACC.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even We've just now we've now crossed lines.
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  Speaker 2: We can't come back. I mean, we've now gone way
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  Speaker 2: too far for this.
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  Speaker 4: There's a greater chance that Mike Norvel has fired in September.
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  Speaker 4: Then there is that the Knowles win the ACC, which
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  Speaker 4: tells you the fall from grace that program has experienced.
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  Speaker 4: But he should have been fired last year. He didn't
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  Speaker 4: get fired because somehow in twenty twenty six, it's not
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  Speaker 4: somehow that's the that program's broke.
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  Speaker 2: That's the next big job opening that's gonna be.
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  Speaker 4: And you know what really sucks is, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: Dion has done enough for that even to be an option.
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  Speaker 4: Like I thought when d got to Colorado, right and
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  Speaker 4: they started three and oh, I thought, oh this is
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  Speaker 4: gonna work.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna hit.
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  Speaker 4: Norvell's gonna flop and we're gonna get Dion primetime.
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  Speaker 3: Amasonma Mater, and I don't even think that's on the table.
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  Speaker 4: Like I think there's a better chance that they would
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  Speaker 4: maybe try to bring someone out of out of retirement
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  Speaker 4: like Urban Myers always been floated as a potential name,
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  Speaker 4: would maybe go back for a short stop.
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  Speaker 2: I know who I want to see coach them down there.
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  Speaker 2: He lives in Tampa. Hey, come on, man, they got
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  Speaker 2: renegade men. They got chief Ariolas, not Arioa. That's a
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  Speaker 2: They got chief Osciola men down there. They ride the
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  Speaker 2: horts and their men they throw the spear on the ground. Man,
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  Speaker 2: you're telling me that I can't coach Florida State. Make
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  Speaker 2: him on men. I would love to see that turned
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  Speaker 2: into Sammy Davis Junior. All of a sudden. I would
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  Speaker 2: love to see John Gruden coaching again. And I think
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  Speaker 2: Florida sayate, it's a great spot. I got a bold
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  Speaker 2: one that's more likely than the Florida State one. Ready
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  Speaker 2: for this one. Bill Belichick resigns at North Carolina. But
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  Speaker 2: but Jordaan says, you still gotta work, and Belichick becomes
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  Speaker 2: a Walmart greeter like old people do. What do you
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  Speaker 2: think about that? Jordan says, you gotta you gotta support
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  Speaker 2: the family here, and she has him working at a Walmart?
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  Speaker 3: Was the Walmart? Dig planned about him going from Carolina
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  Speaker 3: to Walmart? Just try to know?
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  Speaker 4: I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to think of a job where old
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  Speaker 2: people go and you know, they hang out and they work.
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  Speaker 3: You just said Hardy's much old people work at Hardies?
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  Speaker 2: Is that true?
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  Speaker 3: Is that fact it used to be back when their
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  Speaker 3: biscuits were good.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea that was a thing. Just take
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  Speaker 2: it a Walmart. I mean it came across as as
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  Speaker 2: a dig at UNC. But no, I just met that.
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  Speaker 2: Can Belichick not work somewhere after he's done? It's got
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  Speaker 2: to work somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of want him back in TV, because you
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  Speaker 4: know what, I thought he was really damn good at that.
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  Speaker 4: I actually enjoyed Belichick on on the Tube. I gotta
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  Speaker 4: tell you, Bone, I don't think he's I don't think
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  Speaker 4: he's going anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bold prediction. They're committed to him.
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  Speaker 2: Well he can he still drive? Or did she take
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  Speaker 2: the key from him? I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to think about her. They've been really
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  Speaker 4: quiet here recently. Here's a here's a bold prediction.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned that you thought the Florida State job is
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  Speaker 3: the next big job.
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  Speaker 2: Well, another big job that come open.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't think. I don't think Bama is
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  Speaker 4: a playoff team this year. I think Kaylen de Boor
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  Speaker 4: and I know he just got a new contract. I
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  Speaker 4: think Kaylen de Boor in Alabama, I think they part
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  Speaker 4: ways at the end of at the end of the season. Really,
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  Speaker 4: I think I think de Boor is more of a
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  Speaker 4: Big Ten style, West Coast style coach. And you have
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  Speaker 4: to say West Coast Big Ten because they are now
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  Speaker 4: Coast schools in the Big Ten. I don't think he's
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  Speaker 4: a fit at Bama. They shouldn't have made the playoff
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  Speaker 4: last year up the way they looked in the SEC
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  Speaker 4: title game. I think it's I think he's gone because
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how long Kyle Winningham's gonna stay in
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  Speaker 4: ann Arbor. I could see him parting ways, resetting and
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  Speaker 4: positioning himself to get the Michigan gig when it comes
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  Speaker 4: open in the minimum of two to three years.
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  Speaker 2: You know other, you know what, other, it's prominent in name.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's one of the toughest jobs in America
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  Speaker 2: these days, do you know another job could pop up?
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  Speaker 2: But also, by the way, you know they didn't give
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  Speaker 2: you enough time here. I mean they've gone seven to
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  Speaker 2: six back to back years, which is better than they
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  Speaker 2: did before. However, I mean there's a high standard there,
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  Speaker 2: even though it's hard to meet it. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: Matt Matt rule could be one. We'll see about that eventually.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know why Ivan a brass dude.
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  Speaker 4: Am I the only Panther fan that finds himself rooting
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  Speaker 4: for Matt Rulin And it's just because bone in my lifetime,
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  Speaker 4: like I became a college football fan starting in two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and seven.
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  Speaker 3: By that point in.
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  Speaker 4: Time, Nebraska's glory era, their glory days were behind them.
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  Speaker 4: I want to see Tom Osborne level Nebraska. I want
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  Speaker 4: to see Nebraska as a national title contender again. So
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  Speaker 4: I have found myself rooting for these guys that have
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  Speaker 4: gone there because I've been told about how great it
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  Speaker 4: was when they were a factor in the sport. They
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  Speaker 4: haven't been a factor in the sport for the majority
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  Speaker 4: of my lifetime. I know we don't like him here
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  Speaker 4: in Carolina in mine, but no, but they were good
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  Speaker 4: when I was younger. I'm not against him returning Big
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  Speaker 4: Red back to back into a power.
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  Speaker 2: You had to pick who do you have more faith?
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  Speaker 2: It's who'd you put more stock in Nebraska becoming a
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  Speaker 2: football power again or Indiana a basketball power because they
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  Speaker 2: they have similar rides there. They're prominent, they want championships,
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  Speaker 2: they are so huge in their areas, and the way
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  Speaker 2: times have changed, those programs have sort of just flatlined
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  Speaker 2: where they're now average or blow average at times.
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  Speaker 4: I'm wavy to Willy p who's a back on TV
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  Speaker 4: doing some great work for Queen City News. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what exactly he's wearing underneath his sport jacket today.
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  Speaker 2: I still think I go Marc Summer's from double There.
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  Speaker 4: It's always an adventure seeing Willy's outfits on television.
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  Speaker 2: I think I go Indiana like our Pku man.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fair point.
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  Speaker 4: I think I go Indiana just because bone they're still
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  Speaker 4: throwing money at it like some like some programs will
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  Speaker 4: only throw money for so long and then when it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't work, they just wit. Indiana is still throwing money
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  Speaker 4: and they actually stand to benefit basketball wise off their
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  Speaker 4: football success. It might be another head coaching cycle away
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  Speaker 4: because I don't know if their current guy is the
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  Speaker 4: guy to get Indiana back, but I still think I
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  Speaker 4: would probably lean Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: Send in your boldies seven oh four, five, seven oh nine, six,
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  Speaker 2: Then we come back. We move our attention to pant
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  Speaker 2: thirt talk. A long time friend of the program, John Allis, returns.
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  Speaker 2: We'll look ahead to training camp and the pat third
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  Speaker 2: season on Sports Radio ninety two. Seven oh yeah, some
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  Speaker 2: big show news. During the break, our captain has landed.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: I got a text from Mac for the first time
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  Speaker 2: in six days. My heart, my heart beats a little different. Well,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: my man's back in my life. How long do you
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: take that feeling's gonna last?
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  Speaker 1: Fitty?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you're working Monday, right, yeah, yeah, six oh six
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  Speaker 3: On Monday.
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  Speaker 2: He'll be ready for guys back though. And that means
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: that you probably have to leave a house now, right,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: kind of sad about it. Actually, you feel very comfortable
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  Speaker 2: living there. You might as well just move in downstairs.
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  Speaker 2: Like Charles in Charge a Great Show of the eighties,
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  Speaker 2: he moved in downstairs.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he would notice that I was there
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  Speaker 4: except when I went to sleep, and my snoring would
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  Speaker 4: be very prevalent.
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  Speaker 2: Well he I mean he does too. He's got his
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  Speaker 2: sleep mask going on there.
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  Speaker 4: So I mean I thought about just staying there and
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: seeing if you noticed I was still there. I just
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: walked in the house like at eight thirty with some dinner.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Let the dogs out, play with rocking and bacon some
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  Speaker 4: Let us.
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  Speaker 2: Know how that goes. Right now, we're going to go
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  Speaker 2: to the guest line to bring in our longtime friend
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  Speaker 2: of the show and pad their media member, John Allis.
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  Speaker 2: He's on social media everywhere you can find socials at
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  Speaker 2: one Panther Place, John, it's been a while. What's up, man,
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Guys? Good to talk some Panther football and you can
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  Speaker 1: feel it's in the air because we're all melting right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's only a few weeks away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like we're in Spartanburg. God, were not anymore.
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  Speaker 2: No offense to that area. I know it's near and
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  Speaker 2: near are, but yeah, you know, I almost You saw
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  Speaker 2: me almost die there multiple times.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you always had the character kit as well. You
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  Speaker 1: were ready. You had all sorts of flavors of pringles
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: ready to go on as Yes, you were ready.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Awesome, John when you look at this team from an
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: area of strength and an area of weakness, what do
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: you like most about this team or what group and
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: what kind of concerned you about this group?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I think you go into this particular season, they
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: have done a great job of building the defense from
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the inside out, and you look at what you've got
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: on the defensive line, dealing Phillips on the edge, rushing
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the passer, set in the edge in the run game,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I think this becomes a bit of a strength.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Devin Boyd, and you can't say enough of what
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: he's done in his time in Jacksonville. You look at
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: this tape, not only in the run game, but man,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: he flies downhill as a blitzer. So you've got an
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: extra peace there that can get after the quarterback. You know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: position to strength. It's hard to say receiver, but boy,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: when he had the miller last year and he has
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the year he does, and then Coper comes on and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: has a good, healthy run like he does, you consider
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that to be that position of strength. Now for a
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: quarterback like Bryce Young that needs it. A weakness, I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's weakness, but they don't have that
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: true playmation tight end that you would think of. Yet
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: you know, Kim Yansadek was in that fold for the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: draft pick there that they had, and they went another
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: direction with Monroe Freeling and that gives them insurance for
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the future and maybe a stud for the next ten years.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: But who emerges from this tied end room is aid
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Mitchell Evan. So this tremble continue to emerge, and then
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you've got your TV on Sanders. If he can stay healthy,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I still think he can be a really solid tide
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: end year.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Four coming up for Bryce? What what do you consider
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: what would you consider a successful year coming up for Bryce?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: What does he have to do or accomplish for you
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to say, you know what, that was a hell of
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a year for Bryce?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeaw oh, This is a great question. And it seems
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: like I think when we asked him this time last year,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I think we always visited this question because we're always
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: wondering what is he going to take that next step?
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Where where are we with Bryce Young? So I was
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day and I'm looking back
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: at his numbers, I'm looking back at his tape. It's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: not just starting faster early in games, it's starting faster
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: earlier in the season. We want to see Bryce take
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: control of the game in the first quarter. Make sure
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that he's managing the game as well in that situation
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: as he does in those late game drives that he
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: has led the league in over the past couple of
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: years in terms of game winning drives. We want to see.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I think, if you're a Panthers fan, if you're covering
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: this team because you truly like this quarterback, let's see
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a better September. Let's see it better October, because there
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: have been some moments in those months where it has
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: not been great, particularly in the first half of games.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: We're talking to John Ellis at One Panther Place on Twitter,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the number one Panther place I must follow for current
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Panther content, historical content. John is the go to guy
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: there for all of that. On this show. We have
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: really high defensive expectations, especially considering where they were two
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: years ago. We've even thought can they be a top
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: ten defense? How high are your expectations, John, for this defense,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: both the guys we have already and the players we
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: add that you mentioned already, Guyy Devin Lloyd.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my expectations are high. Look at in terms of
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: rankings and projections. I would say there's no reason they
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: can't be a top ten unit in scoring and EPA
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and points allowed, in yardage, all of it because you
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: look at where they've come from from the Mad Rule era. Yes,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I said the name Matt Rules. Sorry, it's the tradition.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Unlike any other. They have revamped everything from like I said,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the inside out. Derek Brown continues to stay healthy. He's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: one of the best at his position. You add this
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: depth piece like lead Hunter in the draft, who can
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: be amazing teamed up beside a Brown, and then you
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: have Jaln Phillips. Then Lloyd is everything here, don't I'm
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: going you bring in a guy like Lloyd. We have
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: had this tradition around here of elite inside linebacker play
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: from Mills handing the torch to a guy like Dan Morgan,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: who hands the torch to a John Beeson, Luke Keithley.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: The list goes on and on, and there is a
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: bit of a gap there an elite inside linebacker play.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Lloyd fills that Voyd and then you've got the corner
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: room and you gotta love what you see from J. C. Horn,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Mike Jackson out of nowhere, becomes one of the best
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: in the league at that position. Who takes over at
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: nickel corner? Is that a guy like Will Lee? Is
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: it Corey Thorton? We'll see. And then you've got a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: couple veterans at safety in Scott and Merrick. Look, it's
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: much better than they were a couple of years ago
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: when they were give it up to hundred thrushing yards
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a game every time you turned around. I think it's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the top ten unit if they're healthy.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about Scorton as an X factor
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: on defense. Ben Solak at him as a breakout player
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the other day, and it feels like there's so much
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: scoring talk now it's not even the under the radar thing.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: But are you Are you thinking the same that that
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Scorton can home when we look at pad defensive of
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the past, that he can almost fit into that that
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Mike Rutger kind of role here on this team.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I was read as you were talking about him. I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: was thinking about Ruck Ruck was that guy?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Because I think we Hunter might be we Hunter might
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: be the the Bretson Butner of the operation. So I'm
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: trying to think of who might be the Rucker and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: that might be.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: A scrdon who's the Shane Burton.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I think we've not. I think we've now gone a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: step too far here. But anyway, back to back to Scorton.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: There, you know, I think I think you're right now.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: He plays the run so well, he can get after
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: in the passing game. It was a really unheralded rookie year.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: When you look at the numbers deeper with what he
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: was able to do, I would say princely human Miellen. Look,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: he had some really good moments as well. If you
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: look at some of the tape on him, he was
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: flying around making plays. He didn't get a ton of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: reps relative to Gordon, but if he gets a chance
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to be and again I bring up Al Wallace as
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: another name sort of that fifth man on the defensive line,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: he can be an impact guy that we're talking about
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: this time next year, much like we're talking about Scordon
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: right now. I really like number three out there on
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the defense. But yes, Gordon opposite Phillips and then the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: rotation bomb. You know what it's all about, man with
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Dan Morgan, It's about building one line that's like eight deep.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Guys can come in and out and you keeping them fresh.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Philly did that for a long time. They still do
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and that's the mindset I would believe for the Panthers
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: While it's always been defense that runs the operation in
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the best Panther years, it's also a running game that
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: has been a big part of success here with this organization.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: John Dean Bruy, if Scordon's the X factor on defense
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: has to be Brooks on offense. Are you are you
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: thinking that he can hit the ground running? Is it
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: gonna be wile?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: What are you?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: What are you thinking?
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Early on?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: We're gonna see from Brooks here. We all can't wait
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to see him. But what do you think it early on?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: The expectations are.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think we're cautious. I think all
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: of us are a little bit cautious. You know, the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: injury history. And he had a flash of success a
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and then once again, unfortunately, the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: young man goes down. And I think the initial vision
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: we saw here at OTA's and we all looked at
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: it was wow, Okay, there's a pop, there's a burst
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: of his game. There was a lot of conversation about
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: letting Rico Daubell go and I think at this point
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you had to from cap considerations. You drafted this kid,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the first back taken in that draft, to be ultimately
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: a starter one day. So he and Hubbard together again.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: His health cooperates for Brooks again. I go back to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the history, and you know, we get I'm sure fans
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: get hard of us talking about it. It reminds me
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a Sean Foster, a guy that
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: we were getting really excited about seeing. There were some flashes.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: He gets hurt and he comes back, and boy, he
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: had some magical moments for this team. I think Brooks
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: has that in him in terms of his game, his
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: style of play, receiving out of the backfield and his
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: suddenness when he's in the open field that it compliments
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: two Buffards so well. I can't wait to watch him
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: at Campbell.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Are you still thinking when it comes to x L
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that there's something there or are you kind of thinking
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that that might be Brazl's job now in XL could
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: be in jeopardy here, man, I want.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: To believe it. I think you know as well as
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I do. And everybody's kind of catch out of the bag.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: It's not that he's in necessarily a doghouse. But man,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: when you're a first round pick, it's kind to start
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: coming together. And there are moments in his game where
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: you're rooting for him. You want the guy to be
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: what you know he can be, but you know you'll
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: step out of bounce on the bounder running around before
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: he even catch the ball. There are moments where in
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the middle of the field it just doesn't look like
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a guy at six two six three two twenty in
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: control of his frame, and then the hands are just
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: oftentimes betraying him. There's just so much talent there and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you try to find ways. I think, if you're Dave Canalis,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: to get the ball in his hands quickly and let
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: him make plays. But man, we're getting into year three.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: It's got to start coming together. And you got Chris Brazil,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: who seems to be a guy you know, look at it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Take a strider at six 's five that doesn't have
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: much of a problem catching the football. That's one thing
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Dave Canalis said. You know guys that can catch the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: football the way he does at the high point, it's
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a real asset. So that's a great battle at camp.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I think who's going to be the number three and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: of course you got Cocher and Mac out there at
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the outside spots.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: It's it's a good group and you hope that it
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: gets to get to a point where the competition gets
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: his game to where it needs to be. But it's
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it's a tough road head form.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I think, John, you're doing a podcast now with Eric White, right,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the Ben Watching Film pod. A couple of nerds watching football.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: That's how you describe. But where can we find that?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Is it just simply at I'm gonna give it a
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: follow right now on Twitter? There we go at Ben
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: watching film? Right, pretty simple, Yeah, Ben.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Watching film, We're watching just what's within in at the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: end not achieve Okay, now we're trying to be hip.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: And then look, I will say this, Billy Marshall and
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I with The Roar podcast, we're coming back. So I
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: can't give you an official date yet, but sometime in
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the month of July you will hear a little episode
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: from Billy and I on The Roar and then we'll
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: be back into rotation with Blue Wire throughout the season.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: So excited. It took a little breather here during the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: summer months, but yeah, with e White and myself we've
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: been watching him podcasts all about panthers every single week.
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  Speaker 1: They drop actually today, so be looking out for that.
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  Speaker 1: And then Billy and I with the old roar. We've
• 27:49
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  Speaker 1: had a few battle scars from that year. We've been
• 27:54
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• 27:54
  Speaker 2: All due we all do. We thought it was we
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: had our own pandemic as they was, Matt Ruhle, so
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: we all, we all came through the battles. Hey man,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: well appreciate it. We'll talk to you here at some point,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: uh during camp. I thank you so much.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see soon.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that the good obviously, Liam McNeely twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight points, seven for eight from three looked very much
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  Speaker 2: like a guy we thought might be a lottery pick
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  Speaker 2: a year ago, and then he fell into the Hornet's hands.
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  Speaker 2: But Liam McNeely with a hey, while we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: this roster, all these moving parts, that was a don't
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  Speaker 2: forget about me performance by Liam McNeely. And while we're
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out where this team goes offensively with
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  Speaker 2: that Wamelo and his shooting and his shot creation. Man,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: if Liam McNeely coming off the bench can give them
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  Speaker 2: any semblant to what he gave the team last night,
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  Speaker 2: what a major boost. Kind of a forgotten man within
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  Speaker 2: discussions of maybe what his role could be.
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  Speaker 4: I think people forget how highly thought of he was
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  Speaker 4: coming out as a high school prospect, what.
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  Speaker 2: He was super Flags up teammate there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, what he did at Yukon, battling some injuries with
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: his time there with the Huskies, but you saw the
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  Speaker 4: path to him being a guy that has a consistent
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  Speaker 4: roll off the bench for the Hornets and stuff coming
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  Speaker 4: near and with the roster kind of changing the way
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  Speaker 4: that it has, there's more of a role for him
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  Speaker 4: to be a bigger role for him to have if
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  Speaker 3: Can he shoot thirty seven thirty eight percent and.
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  Speaker 2: just be a.
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  Speaker 4: Willing defender, like just be just be not a net
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: negative like something we'll talk about Christian Anderson, Like when
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: he's on the court, especially defensively, you're gonna have to
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: hide him because of his size. Teams are going to
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: one to attack him. So that's one thing you got
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: to look at with with Liam. But don't know how
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: long he's going to play during their time out there
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: in Vegas. He could be one and done. Maybe he
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: plays tomorrow before they call the clits. But you saw
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: the glimpse into how he's has a bigger impact in
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: a sophomore season than he had in his rookiell.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Certainly a very encouraging performance. That leads to us having
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: to talk about him more and we'll see what kind
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: of factor he can be. Hannes Steinbach's debut. Loved it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: A little bit sluggish at the gate, but again it's
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: it sometimes bigs in these games. It's a little difficult
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: sometimes with all these games are played. But he really
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: got rolling with a double double, most of that coming
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: in the second half. I mean, it's the big old
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the big old oven midhands. It's the activity, it's the
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: fluidity in which he plays. This guy's not just a
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: scrapper and a banger. This guy's got some ability and skill.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: So it's not well he's he's got, like I think,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: like a little bit of tenacity, kind of like at
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Cody Zeller, but I think there's much more athletic ability
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: and there's much more fluid fluidity to his offense. I
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: love what I think this guy can be. I think
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: this guy is gonna be. Look how high level of
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a of a star who knows, But I think for
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the immediate he'll fill a role that they desperately need.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I think he's a lot more polished when you're looking
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: at comparison to Zeler. I think he's obviously a better rebounder.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Part of it is he gets great positioning, and then
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: the second is he just has a knack and in
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: instinct to know where the ball is gonna go when
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: it when it comes off the rim.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: He had some really good drives. I think it's something
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: you got to like.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, he can be someone that can
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: be a difference maker in the pick and roll game
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: where you can run some action with him in that way.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I think she's seventy six percent from the foul e. Yeah,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a good sign for maybe what his
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: shooting touch can potentially be.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: So if you remember back last year.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Remember, Cod did not have the greatest debut in the
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Summer League, and we were kind of coming back in saying,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: oh my god, he's got to play well in the
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: next one to make us feel better, I thought Steinbach.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, you get the production that he had in
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: roughly twenty two minutes coming off the bench.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: You saw his strengths on the court.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: You also could see potential growth from him in areas
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: where he's not a finished basketball player.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: I thought it was a really good debut for the rookie.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Some things on the other side the last night, James
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: had a rough night, especially with what he was asked
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to do in creating offense and being the lead guard.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Some people all over him. Look, it was a bad game,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: but Seon plays a specific role. It's that tough, defensive
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: minded perimeter guard. He was the best perimeter defender analytically
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: of any rookie in the league last year. He his
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: role will not be to a inche offense to be
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: a point guard. They tried something last night didn't really work,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: but it's like spring training when pictures are working on
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: new things. Well, if people ah scions that we saw
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: him last year play every game, we know who he is.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Much like Kalkbrenner. I'm not as focused on necessarily him
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: working on stuff as I am. Maybe some other guys
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: they teach you on has a different story. More on
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: him in a second, but see On to me is
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: their physical, defensive minded lou Dort And if he gives
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: you offense and wide open threes, that's fine. He's got
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a specific role, so I'm not freaking out about him
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: not looking good last night.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: I think what you saw last night with him handling
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: the ball was them trying to just see can they
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: get more out of him after what he gave them.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: In his rookie year.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: But when he played in all eighty two games, was
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: an impactful player on that second unit, impacted winning, I
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: thought for the Hornets and the back half of the year,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: and that's gonna be the same role now year. But
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: if there's something more to his game, now's the time
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: to try to find it. And I thought stan Van
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Gundy brought up a really good point some of his struggles. Yeah,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: did he get ripped a couple times on some drive, sure,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: and needs to be stronger with the ball, But a
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: lot of it was him playing with summer.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: League level players as well. Yes, like some of the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: mistakes would not have happened if I.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Mean, he played point guard at Duke for a year.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: He didn't look that bad as he had last time.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: He did not, and so I think you gotta take
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: that into account, because I do think it'll be something
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: that they'll tinker with throughout the remainder of the time
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: he's in summer league.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Don't don't know how much longer he'll play. I think
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: he'll see it in the preseason. But in the preseason
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: he'll be playing with NBA level players. He'll be playing
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: with the rotation that he played with the majority of
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: the season last year. I would not read too much
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: into his point guard struggles last night.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: On the other side, another guard that I'm a little
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: concerned about it. Again, I'm not trying to sound alarmed.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: It's a you know, it's a summer league game. But
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: for as good as Steinbach, but especially down the stretch,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I am concerned about Christian Anderson. There are some guys
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: that when they go from the college to the NBA,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: you do notice, Oh yeah, the size is a big difference,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and Christian Anderson did look very small last night at
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: this level it's gonna be interesting how he can get
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: his shot off, but more importantly, how can they scheme
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: and use him off the bench for now defensively against
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: some bigger, physical guards. Look, we know he's a talent,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: we know he's an offensive guy. But the size, it
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: reminds me of a couple of years ago. I remember
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: when I first watched remember game one when the Hornets
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: played the Rockets, and it was Reed Shepherd's first game.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Reed Shepherd looked a lot smaller from Kentucky than he
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: did with the Rockets, And it was kind of that
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: last night where I'm like, man, you're right. I didn't
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: think the size would be an issue. I know Mack
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: brought it up a lot, but last night, you can't
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: watch that game and nothing yourself. Oh he works are
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: really small out there.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: I think what's also very interesting is not just defensively,
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: the size is going to be an issue. If you
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: watched him play at Texas Tech, and I know you
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: did obviously of course I did. He made a lot
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: of tough two's, a lot of contested jumpers because he
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: was shooting over guys that are right about his height.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: That's not gonna be the case and it was not
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: the case lost. He took some shots last night that
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: were contested shots that he made in college that because
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: of the size difference in the summer league, he wasn't
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: able to make. That's gonna be the same thing on
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: an NBA floor night in night out. I think they
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: drafted him bone for his shooting, but I do think
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: he's gonna have to change the type of shooter that
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: he'll have to be at the NBA level as opposed
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: to what he was in college was.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: A tough shot maker. Graham McCaslin talks about it yesterday
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: with Kyle Bailey. It's gonna be tougher to get some
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: of those difficult shots. Though even the game against last year,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: he was hitting some some pretty difficult shots in that
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: game as well.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know how much the ball is gonna need
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: to be in his hands, like I think he's gonna,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: I think if he is going to maximize his potential
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: at the NBA level. And we feel good about the
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Hornets drafting him eighteenth overall because there were other guards
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: that you and I were a lot more interested in
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: than potentially drafting. But I think he'll have to a
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: trans transition to an off ball shooter, where he becomes
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: a guy that's running based on the baseline, coming off
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: flayers and the shooting the ball that way. I don't
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: know how much he's gonna be able to create for
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: himself at the NBA level, giving his size.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: People asking us about T John. What we are in
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: year three of T Jon in the Summer League, And
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: while he has those moments of athletic ability, he's put
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: on sides. I'm still trying to figure out his game,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: who he is, where he fits on this roster. They
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: got a lot of forwards on this team. Seems like
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: a really likable kid. I'm not rooting against him, but
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: even in a game like last night, he had nine points,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: but you wouldn't watch that game William McNeely last night
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: when you watched him, he thought, Oh, that dude was
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: a first round pick. He's playing year two in the
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Summer League. He should be at a different level at
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: this point. You watch T Jon in the year three
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: in the Summer League as a higher draft pick than
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: McNeely as a lottery pick, and he's still trying to
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: find his way. I compare it to a minor league
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: baseball player. Fittye that's really good at Triple A. He
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: gets to the majors and he loses something and there's
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: that in between guy and to me, T Jon right now,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: he does well in Greensboro, he shows flashes other areas,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: but ultimately is he a rotational NBA player? I don't know.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: He's kind of in that limbo area. Maybe it's not here,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: but definitely he's in that middle where good, good in
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: the other areas comes up to the major leagues quote unquote,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: and just not this.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I value the energy, I value the effort, and he's
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: a really good on ball defender with his size and
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: his ability to move laterally. But bone if if they
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: want to end this experiment, I'm not gonna two things.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna hold it against JP. I'm not sure
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: it's a little rough in hindsight, I'm not gonna say
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: that was a miss on Jeff Peterson. And I'm not
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: gonna hold it, you know, against the Hornets just in general. Like,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: I think the roster's at a point now where you
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: don't need to try to develop him because I don't
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: know how he's gonna impact this roster moving forward with
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: what you've added in all the other forwards which you've
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: drafted in Steinbach so I don't see him in Also sign.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Dorian Finnicks Smith. You've got Roy so you've added Yeah,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: all these veterans, where does he where does he fit
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: in in the equation? If these are if these are
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the guys, maybe you keep.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Him in the Greensboro just so you can get a
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: second round pick from because we know how much Jeff
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Peterson loves those.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: But as we and we don't know what the vision
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: for this.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Roster truly is moving forward, like we know there's a
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: lot there that can still be accomplished. I don't think
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: t Jon Salon factors into the vision of the future.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Certainly hard to see now where he falls and we
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: come back. Fiddy just continues to give horrendous movie take
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: after movie take. His trashing of Shawshank Redemption got people
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: fired up in Matt, So I'm gonna ask a question,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: what's your hot movie take? What's a movie or two
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: whatever that people love that you say not so fast
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: by Fred that you don't like like Fitdy does to
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: so many movies that we like. It's a movie discussion.
• 44:45
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