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This is Black Diamond from the Crew podcast. And you're listening to Basic Black
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After Dark podcast, the show that meets you where you are and give you
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what you ask for. Have you struggled with trying to find the right stylists?
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What about trying to get to the right barber to shape you up or
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to give you faith? Does it even matter if your barber is a woman.
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But that's exactly what we're talking to and we're talking about on this week's
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show. Here tonight to shed some light on women barbers is Blue Rain.
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Welcome Blue Hey, miss Diamond, Hey, how are you? I'm great,
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Thanks for having me here. All right, all right, all right,
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So we got a show tonight because we're gonna be talking all about the
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stuff that people are wondering about. But I'm gonna get right to it.
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Question why do women become barbers? I can't speak for all female barbers,
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but I became a barber because I was tired of the stigmatism that females can't
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cut men's hail. We can. I do, and I have two boys,
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and I was tired of paying the barber because you know, during COVID
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everything went out, all prices went out, and the influx of the cost
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of getting them hair cuts. I'm like, I could do that myself,
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you know, and I've been doing hair for ten plus years. So I
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was like, let me, let me get in on this. It's barbara,
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it's being a barber a gender neutral term or is there a female term
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for barbers? Bit well, all the saying, you know, it's not
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I wouldn't say it's not who we are, you know, the title,
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but it's what we do. We cut hair. We all cut hair.
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So I think that some maybe want to be called a barbera stylists, you
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know, fake king, fake queen. We all barbers at the end of
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the day. Okay, Now, so the word barber's unisex. I see
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some Barbara's use scissors while others use raises. Is there any connection between the
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scissors plan the raises or is it just an old fashioned word for hair stylus.
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Hold on, one thing is if you attend a barber school, they
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will tell you they're not don't use the term scissors. Scissors cuts paper,
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shears cut hairs. And you know, for the longest time, I'm like,
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I need I need a pass scissors, I need a pis scissors.
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These right here on my trusty, trusty gold shs and I've had these for
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the longest time. You know, you're not cutting paper like this. You're
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cutting paper like this. You know, you cutting hair like this. And
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it's a quiet feel to actually have to hold shears like this because you know
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you need that motion. But it comes, it becomes second nature. Should
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and just go with it. I thought it was a difference, but I
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know that you're also a hair stylist, and I've seen you hold them in
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that way, But I just thought it was what beauticians or cosmetologists do by
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holding the scissors that that object the object that way. Look, I'm a
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person that's not a hair stylust. Back in my day, we just did
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braiding up the air and that was it and we ain't have all of that
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extra stuff that was going on now. But I do notice that they do
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that, and I see that they're moving quick, and they're just like like
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like somebody would get you nice, They're just moving really quick. I never
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understood how they was able to hold the sideways and just be clipping away.
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And I guess that's right, because you know, scissors do cut paper,
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So I guess that's really accurate with what you're saying. So now when women
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go to get their hair style, they say they're going to the hairdresser or
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stylus and then say they're going to the barber. What's the difference between a
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BA barbera and a hairstops Okay, I also had to learn the difference because
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I'm like, I could do what they do. The difference in a barber
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and a hairstylist or cosmetologist. A barber has to have a license to use
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a straight razor on the skin, meaning shaves cosmetologists do not. Cosmetologists cannot
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legally use a straight razor on a person's skin or face, so that would
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be the legal h departure of a cosmetologist and a barber. Barbers like myself
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are able to use a straight razor on the skin, So you can do
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both. Because you do both, let me ask you this. I'm gonna
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sneak this one in there can a cosmetologist can do what a barber does,
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but a barber can't do what a cosmetologist does, except you can't use a
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razor as a cosmetology. Just right, it's kind of backwards. A barber's
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can do everything a cosmetologists can do, but the only thing a cosmetologists can't
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do is used the razors. So it's kind of flipped and everybody's like,
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oh, you know, I can do every Yes, you can, but
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legally your license can be revoked if cosmetologists it's seen using a straight razor on
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it. They can use a straight raisor to cut hair, but they cannot
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use it on a person's face or skin. Oh okay, Now this is
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something that's been on my mind for quite some time. What is the origin
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of the word barber? While a barber is called barbers when they cut here,
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shouldn't it be hand dressers instead of barbers? Barber comes from I believe.
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I don't know if it's Roman, Latin, Greek because it digs deep
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when you when you get into the the barber and book. But the term
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barb bay, I think it comes from. One of those origins is that
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it comes from the hair, meaning the beard barbee. So that's where the
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origin comes from. The barber's But the actual barber started out being surgeons.
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They weren't just cutting hair. They were actually I know, it's something that
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kind of throws everybody off, like how do they you know, cutting somebody
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open to, you know, cutting hair? But that's where I was about
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to ask, Yeah, I was gonna ask you the same question. How
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how was the correlation between a surgeon and a barber? But I don't know.
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I'm almost afraid to ask our barber pole. Everybody is used to seeing
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the red, white and blue, you know, that swirling outside of it.
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Used to be the old fashioned barber shops, but it's become a staple
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and all traditional barber shops would have a red white and blue pole. The
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red represents the blood. Back in the day, they used to do what's
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called blood letting, and they thought that by releasing toxic blood they would cure
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on the person. So that's where the red in the barber pole comes from.
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The blue was for the veins in the person because they would cut the
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vein open to let out the blood. And so I guess that's where the
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correlation between the surgeon and the barber comes from. Oh okay, I'm learning
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something here tonight. Look out now, I might you sitting in the classes.
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So why it swirls because everybody's like, well, why why didn't you
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just put red, white and blue, you know, like our American flag.
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The swirl is because they used to use the white is the bandage and
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they used to use that to wrap the person up after they let out their
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blood and they used to hang them out the dry and the wind would swirl
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them. So that's where we get the swirl from. So and you know,
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they would keep spinning. And that cap, the cap the two chrome
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pieces was the domes that they would use to hold the blood. The blood
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will be let out they hold onto the staff and the blood will be let
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out into those cups what they were domes back then. So yeah, I
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wonder how many barbers actually know. Well, I guess we could be a
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barber. You should know that, you should understand it. Then then what's
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the term for someone who shaves customers in a barbershop? The term that person
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shaves there? Barbara, Oh, well, the book tells us that they
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are tonsorial artists. Tonsorial will be like I said, I don't know if
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it's it will be the Romans how they used to have that. I guess
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they would call a chrome dome. Now they wouldn't have hair in the middle
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at the top of the dome. They would just have hair around the sides
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and edges. And that was called the taunts tour. So you everybody that's
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a barber knows this right here our holy grail. The book is about this
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thick This is my book, and it it when I say it's more about
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the history and and the origin of barbering. This book right here is definitely
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as thick as my mama's Bible. And this is our holy grail when it
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comes to being a barber. Is there any any growth prospect for a woman
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barber as far as as far as her growing in the business, like becoming
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a master barber or something like that. Do you see many women that are
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master barbers or is there another turn for it? No, that's exactly what
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it is. It's growing. It's it's not well known that females are master
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barbers, but we'll take over, so you know, watch out, guys,
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are you coming? But yeah, the female barbers are. Uh,
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it's definitely. You see more female barber's shop owners that actually all owner operators.
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So it's it wasn't a very wild, widespread known thing that you know,
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females cutting men's hair because we weren't allowed to. You know, we
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were only allowed to do female's head because what do we know about how a
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man wants his head cut? But it's a growing it's a growing thing now
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well with it growing about how much money can they make being a barber.
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I'm not trying to get into your pockets, but I just want to know,
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you know, I know muticians they're making that money. They're definitely making
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that money. And I know some barbers they think, yeah, I guess
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they're comfortable. You know. I'm not downgrading anybody as a barbered beautician or
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anything. I'm just saying it's their money to be made being a barber.
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Most definitely, the hair is always changing, you know, being in within
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this era and social media, there's always something changing and oh I have to
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get that cut that that rapp had at that concert or that music video.
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So and then the thing with men actually wanting to have longer hair now or
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hair out, and you know, joining in with our barber brothers and sisters
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who are a part of the lgbt QI a community, there's a broad range
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of how they want their hair styled. So a lot of them, you
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know, we cross paths with how they want their hair styled and who they
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want to style there. So it's it's a changing thing all the time.
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Aspiring authors magazine said there's a lot of money in it. So hey,
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you're saying it and and and magazine is saying, so I believe it.
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So what is the eligibility to apply for for barber course or barber school?
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Okay, one, you can pay out of pocket. They do accept checks.
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Make sure your account is straight so they concept that check. But they
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do accept checks. And there's there's some institutions that are are cash only,
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so you can you can only go through paying for it out of pocket.
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So how how old do you have to be to be to go to the
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school. You have to be uh seventeen with a high school diploma. If
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you are not, they require you to take a test when you get there,
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or to have your parents if you're under the age of eighteen, have
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your parents signed you in? But there's a test. Heard about the test?
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I think they call it the tape tests. Yes, that's doing your
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research. Yeah, I've done a little homework. I've done a little work
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before I came on. I ain't want to look like a complete person that
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didn't know anything. So Latania saying what a regular haircut's going for now,
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it depends on what you consider a regular haircut, because no haircut is regular
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nowadays. I would say my own prices. I can't. I can't speak
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for another barber's price. But starting off, a child's haircut will start at
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twenty five, and that's a regular or Caesar hair I know, I know.
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This is why I decided to start cutting in. We'll start between twenty
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five the thirty dollars, depending on exactly what they wanted done my son.
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Yeah. Off, this magazine is saying it twenty to thirty dollars. So
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I finished barbar in school. Now what do I become an apprentice in my
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license or in my a certified barber? Okay, so I recently just finished
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barber in school. About a month ago. I finished barbar in school.
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I am now a certified barber. So, you know, congrats, congrats
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Barbara, I have passed. What we have to take is what's called State
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Board and it's the generic way of taking our state board license. Your exam.
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It's two parts. One this theory, which is a part I just
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recently passed. You know, I freaked out about it a little bit,
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but I just recently passed my theory exam. That is the bookwork that's our
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holy grail that we studied for and I passed that part. And then it's
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the practical part, which is where we have to express our skills to a
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proctor and they want to know the nitty gritty and everything you learned for those
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twelve hundred hours. Yeah, it's twelve hundred hours to get your license.
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Well, it be certified. Patrise says first that wow, long hair on
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men, And she said, let me get on this. Can we say
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another income? So that's like another income for but then some I guess it
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could be their main income, their primary A lot of them, a lot
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of the there weren't a lot of females, I'll say in my barber in
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class, but they are all more now and that is a lot of their
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second incomes, a lot of their second incomes because a lot of them are
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you know, they work in their own businesses. I know a lot of
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other business owners. One has a hat company. Instructors my instructor. In
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fact, I was actually his class meet and I went back after I had
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my baby. I went back and I was like, you know, I'm
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going in the class, well, who's my instructor. And I'm like,
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hey, who's our instructor? And he was like, I like you to
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have a seat. And I was like, you can't tell me what to
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do. He was like, yes, I get me. He put his
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barber you know they instructor jacket and I was like, oh my goodness.
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Like yeah, So it's a secondary to a lot of people. But Barbara
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and I mean, if your price, if your clientele is is that you
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have plenty of clientele, more than fifteen clients, then yeah, it can
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be a primary source of income for those who want to be a barber but
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they can't afford it. Are their free barber in schools? I wouldn't say
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it's free, but they do have financial aid and that has been a big
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help to a lot of my barber and brothers and sisters that have gone through
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the program with me. Financial aid it's definitely there, and it's well,
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it welcomes, you know, to those and there are scholarships, There are
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grants that are out there and available for plenty of people. Just shoot for
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it, you know, ask questions, call, do your research. And
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Google has helped a lot of people when it comes to the financing of attendance
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school. Well, we're gonna cut to a commercial right now. We're gonna
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come back and we're gonna talk to Blue about a little bit more chopping it
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up and watering. Turn off the nags they can do tonight. I'm nothing.
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I'm imagine again. Let's take a shower shower together. I don't watch
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your pod. You watch my God neighbor, so my oil day saying turn
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off the come girl. I wanna give you a special treat. You're so
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sweet, churnel. We are back talking to Blue about women barbers and getting
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some tips on many things about being a barber and barber and question that I
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want to know. Well, there's a statement I want to make. There's
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times when I go into the barber shop with with my grandson or my son
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and the barber asked me what did they want. I'm standing there like,
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you know, just take something off here and take some off these have no
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idea what I'm talking about, or give me something like what he got.
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And I'm always pointing to somebody in there that it looks nice, or they
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have these big pictures on the wall and I'm saying, give me a number.
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I have no idea. How do we talk to the barber? What
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is the lingo? Is their lingo for talking to barber's. Now going into
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the beauty Paul, it is different. I can say, you know,
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give me this, give me that relax of person curl. I know that.
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But when it's time to go in there, I don't hate going into
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the barber's, but I am so confused. I can say, just give
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my ball head and then it'll be ball ball and I'm like, I know
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if I'm like, yeah, that looks good, Jesus, you don't want
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to go just give me a ball because you look it's not so I'm not
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too concerned. But how do I speak the lingo of my barber when I'm
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telling them how I want their hair to be cut x X? The barber,
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yeah, bubber alight. Since Barbara, one that's well experienced, shouldn't
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know. You know that you don't want to give your six year old a
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ball head and you know they they'll ask you, you know, do you
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want it this low? How short? Do you want it? They'll they'll
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teach you to lingo and try to stick with that one barber. You don't
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want to be bouncing from Barbara to Barbara. I've seen that done. And
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that's when you know, you hear somebody say, oh, they pushed my
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lineback and they talk about their hairline. He pushed my lineback because you've bounced
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from Barbara to barber. So the barbers will teach you, and you know
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they'll educate that. We're taught to educate our customers. As you know,
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we get to know them to pretty soon you can just go into your barber
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and you know they like you know, you know what I like, and
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they'll know because my son knows you know he wants that crispy shape up in
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a line, and he'll show you where he wants a line. So so
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what's the common request in the barbershop? What is the what is the thing
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that most people are coming in there for? Number one thing now is the
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fades are in right now, fades. And I've done enough to know that
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I don't want to do fades, So the fade is definitely in right now.
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Yea. As a woman, Barbara, what do you think is the
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most important fact that when choosing a barber, go with you know, talk
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talk to him. Go with somebody that's I'm not talking about myself, because
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even though I've just recently became a barber, I've been doing half it,
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like I said, ten place years. But don't go with the one that
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you know just recently got out. And I'm not talking about jail. I'm
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talking about school. Don't go with them exec execy their portfolio. Nook.
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Now I'm gonna cut you up there. There's brothers and some sisters that just
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came out of being away at college, I'll say, being away, and
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they can cut some hair because they do here in there and and I think
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they have some classes in there, So don't don't push them to the side
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because they're coming out and they're pretty swift with the the blades, i'll call
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them, so you guys have your own lingo. I'll call them my freshman
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self. The blades. They're they're pretty good. Yeah, pretty good.
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I've I've I've been in class actually, but they know how to cut.
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They are very good at cutting, but they don't have the theological part of
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it. And that's because they didn't study that book, the holy grail of
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knowing you know, sanitation and the cleanliness that goes behind it, the chemicals
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that they cannot mix, you know, the degrees and steps of sanitation and
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disaffecting and cleaning, you know, sanitation versus cleaning, cleaning something and and
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having that. So I would go with somebody that's been in a barber shop
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for more than two years because they've a barber. Did you hear does your
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hair? How do you think the barber? You know, he just did
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something really nice for me? How do you think the barber? Okay,
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so we would say the biggest thing you could give us is a tip.
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But me, cash is always good, you know, it's accepted worldwide.
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But a referral. A referral is always the greatest compliment and tip you can
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give to your barbers. I don't know how many people have said and come
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back to me at my school and said, oh, I want Blue to
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cut me, and it it kind of, you know, pull my heart
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strings a little bit. And I'm like, they asked for me by name,
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and they're like, yeah, we want it's want with the blue hair.
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And I'm like, oh, yes, like that, that's a client
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in the bag, you know, because if they felt good enough about their
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cut to tell somebody else to go to you, then that's two clients,
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not just one. So and then they'll keep going on. And that's how
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you can build your repertoire with having clients come in. Author Author's magazine says
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tips and referrals, so I guess always referrals. It is. How do
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you stay up with the how do you keep up with the latest styles and
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trends. Oh, I'm I'm researching everything. I'm on the blogs, I'm
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watching I try not to watch the Ratchet TV, but I'll watch it and
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you know who's doing what and where and how they stout. Like the met
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Galla that was a huge thing with not just offense. I was watching who
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was coming in with their hair pieces and how the cuts were coming in,
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and that's why I said, fades are definitely back, Like, that's that's
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what's going on, kiddn't play, wasn't the only one is rocking the pace?
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They definitely come back. So this is saying that the customer is always
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right. So you give your you give your client what they ask for,
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but they're dissatisfied with your service. How do you handle it? Okay,
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the customer is always right because you gave them what they act for. What
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should be done is you give them what they need, and it's you suggest.
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That's how you. Yeah suggest, You suggest what they should have.
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What do you think will be more appealing to their face shape, their head
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shape, and you show them. You educate the customer because a lot of
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people come in and say, can you give me this, and they're showing
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you a picture and you know the person's head is long and blond or something
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like maybe your head's currently and course and it's short. So I can't give
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you this, but I can give you this, and this is how you
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know I'm I'm telling you this is this is what's going to work for you
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and you suggest it, so then that time they come, they'll they'll I
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think they'll be of it. What would you do if a if a client
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came in and had an allergic reaction to the dyet that you used in the
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hair. Oh, that's happened. First things first is no client should be
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serviced with the color as soon as they as a walk in or anything else.
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We have what's called a client record card and they fill those out and
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we do what's called a patch test where we placed the product the color that
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they desired behind the air or in the in the elbow, and we tell
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them to come back with them forty eight hours. Within those forty eight hours,
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if they have of allergic reaction, any rash or itchiness or blisters or
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anything, then we tell them that we can't use this product on you,
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and you refer them to their physician for that allergic reaction. For a physician
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would be able to tell them, you know what products because a lot of
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a lot of the medals and stuff in the dies and some people could be
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allergic to it. So we just you tell them and we tell them at
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this time, we can't perform that color service on you. You need to
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get in contact with your physician. So how would you address a client who
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wants a hear style you believe would not suit them that, you know,
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cause I don't think everybody can wear and be hear style everybody else. Some
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people want to look like you know, they want to hear looking like Beyonce,
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or they may want to hear looking like somebody else and they're just not
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gonna work for them. What do you do in that case? Well,
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I have well now in the new age. We couldn't do it back back
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when I was younger and getting my head style. We have this thing called
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AI now and we can take a picture of the client and show them what
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they would look like with that hairstyle and none and a half times out of
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ten they'd be like, oh no, can I get something else? So
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we now we can show them all. If that isn't because everybody doesn't have
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that type of software, you can suggest something else and you educate. It's
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always about educating the client and letting them know you know what desired look would
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be best for them with their face shape and head shape. Okay, well,
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at least that's being honest, because some will some people will just go
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in there and say this is what they want and walk out with what they
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want and they look look like something else. So let's talk. Do you,
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he addresses in barbers secretly judge people? Do you don't judge people when
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they you know, coming in and or even leaving? Do you don't judge
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the coming Tell me it's just the two of us. From that, I
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got a feeling that I know what the answer is going to be. But
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before you answer that question, Latanya says, how often do clients claim they
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aren't satisfied just to get out of paint? Oh that's a good one.
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Okay, I'm gonna say this. A client can't get out of paying me
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because I require a deposit. So I require a deposit, and that's before
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the depositor is required upon booking. So in order to get your time slot,
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and I know that at three o'clock, you know, we'll say miss
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Letanian is coming in to see me at three o'clock, I'm gonna need my
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you know, percentage of whatever service you're receiving, because that guarantees that you're
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gonna come in and I'll be available. I'm not gonna have anybody sitting in
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my chair. I'm not gonna have you waiting because the majority of the time,
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that's why we take ten years in the shop or a salon, because
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you're waiting for my two thirty to be done when your slot was at three
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o'clock. So they do that often, very often. Oh, you didn't
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do this right. This is not the color I wanted. You messed up
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my line right here. And it happens quite often. And I say that
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that deposit is everything. Get your deposit because it ensures that you know,
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you get your money. They don't want to pay the up to have you
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make sure that that deposit covers your time because at that point, it's about
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my time I'm spending when I could have had somebody come in at your time
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that's paid and knows exactly what they want and it's okay with the service that
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they've requested. Okay, so let's get back to that other question. Do
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you judge people? I wasn't gonna forget. I just want you to address
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the times question. Do you judge? Yes and no? I say yes.
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I say yes because if somebody's coming in and they have had a length
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of eve, unless you want to weave, I can't make you look like
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Beyonce in twenty minutes that you in my chair, or you know you want
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that cut like Drake Hass, but your hair, you know, look like
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little Wayne. We I'm going to judge, like why did that person one
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day? You know that's not gonna look right? Who did he see?
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Who told him that was gonna look good? And we judge, But never
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to the client though, you know, it's the barbershop. Never never,
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never, never to the client. Let's you want to lose the client,
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you'll talk about us behind our backs. In other words, you'll talk about
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us behind your back. We'll say behind the chair. You're not jud you're
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not talking to them. Well, actually going not behind their back, it's
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in front of our chair. After the client is gone, they're not coming
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back in. You know, we're sitting in our chairs at the end of
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the day. We didn't sit on our feet for eight plus hours. And
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it's like, oh my goodness, see you see that say that had earlier
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he knows he shouldn't have got that high top fade. Did you listen?
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You know, so just the barbershop chatter. It's not nothing derogatory or offensive
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to the client, but we gave them what they wanted. You know,
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it's always the triangle will say, and it's good. I thank you so
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much for giving us tips and letting me know a little bit of the lingo
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and what to expect when I go in there to take my grandson and mine.
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Well, you know what, I don't even have to take my grandson
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and my son into the barber any into the barbershop anymore because I have a
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female barber in my family, So now I can get my barber, personal
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barber to cut their hair. So I want to thank you, my guests
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