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Episode 2: Rest/Relaxation/Recharging · This is Not Art Therapy (The Podcast)

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Hi, John. Hey, hey, Linnea. We're going to quickly
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go over the art invitations, then we'll get into
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the more nitty gritty fun chit chat stuff. So
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today's theme is our three R's and I'm going
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to remember that they're rest, relaxation and
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recharging. And we're going to talk a little
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bit about how they're different and probably
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some other stuff. So the first invitation is
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basically a map. of what rest, relaxation, and
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recharging could look like. I kind of think of
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this island and there's different paths to it
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and different physical spaces that exist in this.
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So what would that look like? And also more importantly,
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how do we get there? The second one is to make
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a permission slip for rest, to either invite
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yourself to rest or just ensure that you can
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make space to rest in your life. And the third
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one is to make a rested, recharged and relaxed
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self -portrait. Think about how that might make
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you feel or what that person could look like
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if all three of those can kind of perfectly align.
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So if you want to make art along, you're more
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than welcome to because that's really the fun
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part of life is to make art about it, right?
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Yeah, it's a great part of a podcast. You can
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listen to one thing and... do another at the
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same time so yeah if you want to do a self -portrait
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let's start about yeah john and i also made some
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art from last week's vibe check session and we've
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also already shown these images to one another
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so john do you want to talk about what you made
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from last week yeah so i ended up making uh an
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artist id is um so basically just says artist
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id it says my name underneath it finished projects
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because I'm relatively new to art so the number
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I got and I'm not kidding you was 68 okay so
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it's so close to like the perfect number of 69
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of just being such a stoner I have a question
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yeah go for it that means that the one you're
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making now would be the 69th piece no I know
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it's painful. It's 69. It's 69 on the dot. This
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one counts. It's 68. The next one will be 69.
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So I don't know what I'm going to throw under
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there. I put what school I went to because a
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lot of you guys are art listeners. So I'm imagining
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you went to some sort of school or like who taught
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you. I, I spelt school wrong because I'm dyslexic.
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And then I wrote none. And then I put for a,
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for style. uh god i don't want to come off super
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pretentious i was like just my own because i've
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been learning on a couch by myself so yeah that
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was what i did for my art my my template and
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if you guys want to expand on your template go
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for it but that's just sort of the baseline yeah
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oh i love why did you think that would make you
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sound pretentious if you said just your own do
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you remember that guy you told me about who was
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like my 11th instrument is my voice i think so
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yeah like that's how i i wrote i was writing
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that down and i just was like oh as i wrote that
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i was like my own style as in yeah i guess it
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is just very weird it's a it's a weird shaky
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i have so i have slight tremors um and i don't
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exactly know where or when they came in but uh
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of my life but it's basically been the last couple
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years i've noticed them a little bit more But
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that's kind of put this weird sort of shake into
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my lines when I draw something. Whereas like
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I was obsessed with doing something straight
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at first and then eventually just kind of just
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I learned to just go with it. And yeah, that's
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why I have these weird, crooked, shaky little
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lines. But it's highly stylized and it's hard
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to put you in a box, I guess. I know there's
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probably some artists out there who would be
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like, oh, it's this with a little bit of influence
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of this. But it's just so. very organically you
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and yeah it really it's been cool to kind of
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watch all these characters come to life and how
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the images evolve too because sometimes at one
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point you showed me a drawing of this man I think
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his name ended up being Doug and then you ended
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up adding a whole bunch of words to it with some
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stories oh yeah yeah yeah no they evolve yeah
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especially if you go back they evolved a little
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bit more The point of me putting a number for
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you guys and you guys put your number would basically
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be to maybe, if you can, go back and look at
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your first drawing compared to what you're doing
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now. And yeah, just starting from where you started
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to where you are now. In my studio, my work studio,
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I guess, I have some images that I made when
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I was like maybe three or four. And it's so cool
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because I have this tendency either when I'm
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more, it shows up more in my graphic design work,
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but looking around at my art, I can also see
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like, oh yeah, it comes up in other places where
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I have a tendency to just want to put borders
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on things. And I think in the form of containment,
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but in this three -year -old drawing I did, I
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did the exact same thing. I put an outline on
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my page. And I thought it was so cool that at
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this tender age, I still have these themes that
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I still use 30 years later. Yeah. You are who
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you are. Yeah. Yeah. You started as an artist
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at three. Most kids make art at a young age.
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I don't think I did, though. I was so far away
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from that. Like so far removed. Yeah. It's like
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being dyslexic and being like just not liking
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pen and paper. I was. I basically just avoided
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it I know my art teachers must have hated me
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it's not for everyone I think of like arts for
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everyone but also if it's not for you then don't
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do it I guess yeah it's just if you're in the
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right time or space for it right yeah that's
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a good way I also did the make your id and I
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had made some of it last week and then because
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I used a lot of glue and paper I had to smush
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it in a book but I forgot which book I put it
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in. So I technically lost my ID. And I was like,
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that's such a classic thing to do that I've already
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lost my ID and it's not even done being made.
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And then I found it and I kept working on it.
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And not only did I do the artist ID, but I also
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included that, I can't remember what the art
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directive was. It was something about duality,
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opposing forces. I should have looked that up,
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but whatever. So I have a little bit of that,
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but that also is one of those images that comes
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up a lot for me. And mine is all collage. I have
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a little gargoyle as what could kind of be considered
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the little image. There's no words other than
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it says, take your best shot for enduring love.
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And it's made out of different colors and it's
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all magazine images and the water and the fire
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are hand drawn. kind of see I like that I do
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yeah I can see that it's wicked include them
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on and also there's parts that are kind of coming
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out oh and at the back I forgot the back is my
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favorite part it says always an artist and I
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gave my space myself space to write more but
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I don't really know if I want to add anything
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no that's perfect what else do I write sometimes
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sometimes less is more yeah exactly so We're
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talking about rest, relaxation and recharging.
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When you hear those three words, how do you differentiate
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them? Or like, how are they different for you?
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And how are they maybe the same for you too?
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Because things can be two things. Yeah, I think
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rest is always your number one. So most of my
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life I've had pretty physical jobs. So just resting
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is the number one. Just sleep, sleep. Get your
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eight hours of sleep if you can. if you're, you
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know, you're working your night shifts or whatnot,
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you're basically like, okay, I'm going to sleep.
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And that's good. It does help you kind of, you
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know, reset the, reset the scale and recharge.
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But I think the original one is to start and
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basically get that sleep and rest. So, or just
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lie down if you can and rest and relax in a certain
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environment. Right. And for the other ones, I
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guess, so rest. relaxation is like when you have
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like the luxury of like having a weekend so i
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would say it's like you can relax with just like
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doing something like trying to put yourself in
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a place where you're like no i'm actively trying
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to relax like that might mean i'm gonna do my
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morning routine so for if like my morning routine
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on a weekend would be to basically start off
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with trying to make a good breakfast black coffee
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and listening to a record i know i'm such a hipster
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as that slips out of my mouth and to recharge
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is basically i i would say getting the first
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two kind of gets me to recharge okay yeah oh
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the synergetic experience when if you get this
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plus this you make cookies or yes exactly so
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that that's my that's my version of the rest
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relaxation and recharging yeah i like how you
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express relaxation is like this longer drawn
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out experience because I think that's so important
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to take time off I don't know if that's something
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that's like privileged to say of make sure you
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have time to take off everybody's got schedules
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and it's just what time frame you're in I find
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so it's it might even be if you're you have shorter
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periods of time like your lunch break, whatever
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it is, you just go to your car and you're like,
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I don't like the people I'm working with. So
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I'm going to go to my car for 20 minutes and
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just unwind and just not be on my phone. I have
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just something, something different, you know?
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Yeah. I think that is something that's really
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helpful for me. Out of your routine, going into,
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you know, this other space to really. disconnect
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because it's hard sometimes when it's all kind
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of mushed together yeah or if I'm recharging
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can be something like might be a phone call like
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with there are people that I get phone calls
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with that after I'm done like maybe like 30 minutes
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an hour two hours whatever it is right like if
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you're just really into this conversation that
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recharges you or puts sets you in a different
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direction oh big time yeah I never really made
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the distinction between rest and recharging until
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someone explained to me that they're different
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and you need both of them. I had had two weeks
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off for the holidays and I spent most of the
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two weeks just melting into my bed and napping
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and watching silly videos online. And I felt
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good, but I didn't get... the experience of feeling
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recharged and until I had a small gathering of
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art therapists at my studio and we made art and
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talked and it was just so that's where I got
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the energy from. And I think I needed both, or
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maybe I'm just justifying having two very chill
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weeks back to back. Yeah. I felt the difference
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immediately. I was like, oh, yeah, you kind of
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need both. And you need to know when you need
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it and you need to get it where you can find
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it, too. Because, again, if you only have half
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an hour, an hour to chill in your car like you,
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that's. Yeah, it might just be that phone call.
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I think you're on to something when you're saying
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you had your artist friends there with you and
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you guys were all working together. So, you know,
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to have just people that are kind of on the same
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wavelength, that can be really refreshing. Yeah.
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I feel like you recently had one of those moments
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or maybe it was last night when you were showing
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me pictures of what you were doing. You had the
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biggest smile on your face. Oh, yeah. So, yeah,
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I was doing her with my buddy Kyle and my girlfriend.
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We we both I don't know. It was just it's just
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really nice to see people just kind of living
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in the moment. And just enjoying like self -portraits
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because we did our kind of assignments that we
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had last week. So we all did like either self
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-portraits or the IDs. Nobody got around to the
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opposites because I think that one is a little
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bit more technically hard. So if you're doing
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that one right now, good for you. But yeah, no,
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I think it was just people with no real big purpose
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or goal in mind, just being able to hang out.
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That was pretty much it. Yeah. I love art -based
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hangouts as a way to recharge because I think
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you named it. It's this like synergetic experience
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that happens when people collect and make art.
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Like when you're in a room when other people
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are making art, it's magical. Like you can feel
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the energy in the room. It's so inspiring. And
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it's something really nice. Like, so my. I recently
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had a surgery and I had a few friends come over
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and like they had seen I'd been doing stuff on
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Instagram because I just I post on there a lot
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with my pictures and they're like, we'd like
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to try. And honestly, two of them had never really
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drawn and they made some really funny stuff.
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So like some some what were they minotaurs? I
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think like what are the half human half horse
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people? Yeah. minotaurs yeah so like yeah they
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made these minotaurs uh and my other buddy was
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like making a whale or whatever we're just goofing
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around but a lot of it is just people talking
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back and forth and just trying to put in a little
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bit of input here not there but yeah it was it
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was really nice to see yeah i love when animals
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creatures characters come into our art and i
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feel like john that's maybe 90 of your art if
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not more like i could it's probably close to
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100 but i don't want to speak in 100s kind of
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thing yeah 95 but it's very people -centered
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oh yeah i'm i'm big on faces portraits i think
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that's just how i came off of when i would draw
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albums you would just get a lot of uh so like
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by drawing albums it's mostly faces And I found
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that was hard to do and people were kind of impressed
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by it. So I was like, Oh, I guess I'm getting
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that like dopamine hit when people are like,
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good job. You're like, Oh, thank you. So like,
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I keep trying to do that. And I think I've only
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made Frank once, but I made him half dog, half
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potato. And I do a lot of monkey men, which are
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like very much almost humans, but with more wrinkly
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faces. Okay. Yeah. I like that you're calling,
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yeah, you've given them names. Oh yeah. Tomo,
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Tomo the monkey. I did a whole little mini series
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arc about him and fighting aliens. So that was
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a pretty great little series. And the, the fruit
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of, I think it was like just basically the fruit
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of awareness. So it was just like him eating
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this weird, I don't, I don't use a lot of color.
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I pretty much just do pens, black pen. And but
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I put in a little bit of color for like oranges
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for like mangoes and mango juices. And that was
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kind of like the highlight of each picture. Whoa.
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So this one time you use color, maybe not one
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time, but one of the times you use color is in
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this drawing of this fruit of awareness. Yeah.
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At what point did you know you were going to
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add color to it? So I asked people online about
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like. should I add color and like everybody was
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like yes put color into it put lots of color
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into it and I did I put a lot of color into one
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or two other paintings or not painting just pictures
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and I was just like I fucking hate this oh yeah
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like I was like I hate this more than anything
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but I was like if I do add color it's like a
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sliver and it's basically that is what I try
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to make like the focal point a very small point
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small picture with a real bright color that basically
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just makes it like be like why is this here why
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are you different and i want and i want more
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of it because there's a it's a nice vibrant color
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especially in like in such a black and white
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world so like it should be like kind of just
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ah like how do you say it like just basically
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like kind of revered you know like you're like
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oh this is something that's very interesting
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this is important yeah it is a real highlight
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like especially because like i find a lot of
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the world can be very black and white where you're
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just like depending where you're at so like from
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me i think a lot of my art comes from sometimes
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a darker place so that's why it's a lot of it
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in black and white so that when i do throw in
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a piece of color it's it's to be sort of like
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oh shoot like we'll respect that you know or
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very intentional yeah very intentional So let
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me see. Do I have the OG Tomo? So like this is.
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Whoa. Okay. Well, what's going on here? Yes.
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This is just basically me warming up. I'm so
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distracted by everything that's going on here.
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I have a million and one questions. I'm overwhelmed
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by that. Okay. Love this little crab, man. Is
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that a crab? It's a crab sushi mint. Yeah. It's
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revenge of the sushi. Of course. Yes. So he's
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out there defending his sushi brethren. Okay.
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Oh, I couldn't tell that the, is it this apple
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situation, this fruit? I don't see. So there
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is a fruit. Yeah, that's just. Oh, on the corner.
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That's a little bong apple. Okay. So this is
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the OG. Yeah. Marijuana is legal in Canada. And
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then I tried this one out. So I was like trying
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to make my first piece of fruit. And I really
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liked that one. So that was kind of like some
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warmups and some, there's all, holy, yeah, this
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is a lot. What did you, is that actual highlighter
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though? It's so bright. It is a highlighter.
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Okay, yeah. It's just what I had around the house,
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yeah. Red pen? Yeah, it's a red pen, green pen.
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All the stuff I use, anybody can find in your
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home. Most people can find in your home. Oh,
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yeah. Yeah, or you can find it in your local
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school. It's really inexpensive. I think the
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most I've spent is $7 on some really nice little
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felt pens. Yeah. So yeah, and there's five of
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them. So we can do this. So yeah, so that was
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the first one where I just kind of got inspired
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by monkeys and Tomo. And he was our first character.
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Whoa, that's dark. It's really, yeah, sorry.
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That's dark. There's this like, oh, there's an
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eyeball in there. I love the shirt. It kind of
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goes back to you saying how you would travel
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and see other like fabric patterns and be really
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into it. It looks like, yeah, cool. The texture
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of that sweater is awesome. The hand, you nailed
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the hand. Oh my goodness. Hands are so hard and
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you, that, you nailed it. Really? Thank you.
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Yeah, I really wanted to make it look like he
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was reaching for it. Yeah. I love how stylized
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the faces it would be like I'm thinking lino
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cut okay yeah this is when did you do this this
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is really good I love I just love so many parts
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of it uh this was pretty early on this is my
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first um so I've only got two I have like one
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and a half sketchbooks done so this is my first
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sketchbook uh so it's about halfway through actually
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so I'm looking yeah I'm gonna say it's about
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halfway through my first little part of this
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but what's going on in this drawing can you explain
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it to me because some people aren't gonna see
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it the way i see it i guess if we just describe
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so there's a there's a monkey he's reaching for
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a mango and behind him there is a hand with a
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gun um the monkey has a halo over his head and
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there's like a click and uh like that's the hand
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of the thing it's like it's like no no nano and
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it's like tomo and uh so that's his name And
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then he goes, no, no, Nana. Give Tomo death,
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Papa. Which is, like, he's gotten sentient. And
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it's just, like, he wants more of it. And he's,
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like, I don't care. Like, if I can't have this,
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I want out. Like, leave me alone. Like, he's
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gotten to another place. So, yeah. Who knows
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where Tomo goes from there? So that's the OG.
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Oh, hold up. I love this. What's this? Oh, the
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Serbian surfer. The Serbian surfer. Okay. Yeah.
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So I got a little bit of Russian. There's a rat
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king on there. It's basically just like Eastern
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Europe. But like if you're going to be a surfer
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in Eastern Europe, like you're going to be a
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weird, fun character. Okay. So that's essentially
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where I built this guy's house and that behind
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it. And I put a little bit of highlighter into
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it so you could see on his board. Yeah, yeah.
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That was the first thing I noticed. It also kind
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of looks like leopard print. Is that what I'm
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seeing? Yes, that's what I went for. Yeah, leopard.
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I love it. I love leopard print. Okay, this is
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the Tomo. So this is Tomo part two. He's had
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more mango juice and now he's become more human.
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So he's learning more and he's out here fighting
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and defending our freedoms against an alien.
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Okay. And then there's, like, just this guy who's,
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like, sort of an overseer. And he's, like, basically,
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he's, what is he saying? He's, like, fight that
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alien like your grandpa fought the last monkey
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to get on the ark. And he accidentally, he's,
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like, whoops, so he drops in, like, drops in
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this knife. And it's, so, basically, the alien
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and Tomo are both in a pretty good scuffle. And
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right next to, so he's basically got mango juice
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or murder is where it's going for. And, yeah,
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there's some aliens in the background picking
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up people. Some planes coming to fight those
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aliens. And just, like, out in sort of the plains
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of Wyoming. So, yeah. And I think that's probably
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the last, let's see, the last, yeah, last bit
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there. And we haven't really done a whole lot
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of color since. That was my last Tomo bit. So
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we're on a cliffhanger with Tomo. Definitely
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going to go back and try and figure out the Tomo
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scenario. I love how he's lying. to build up
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dimension the the lines you put in to indicate
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that his mouth is coming out yeah yeah oh thank
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you i i just i saw it so i was like i think that's
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how that would look so yeah sort of rounded like
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we we have like very not too many lines in our
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face but these guys have way more so you have
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to really kind of get in there and just be detailed
23:30
but it's tough to do with ballpoint but patience
23:33
is key and literally just concentrate I love
23:36
the fact when I can really do some art and I
23:38
can just concentrate my friend and girlfriend
23:41
were both saying last night like because like
23:43
I'll be doing something and I'll go and they're
23:46
like what whoa and I'm like I guess because I
23:49
forgot to breathe for the last 45 to like a minute
23:52
while I'm on something with these shaky hands
23:55
so yeah that's another great thing about art
23:59
is that it gives us that space to just exist.
24:02
We don't have to worry about the time. We're
24:04
just in it. And I think we super need moments,
24:08
whatever it is, whether it's art or wrestling
24:10
or, you know, whatever your thing is. We need
24:15
things like that in our lives more often than
24:17
not, because not doing that is exhausting. It
24:21
is. I think it's great when you can get into
24:24
that moment. You know, I find. I find it's just,
24:30
like, whatever your passion is. I used to find
24:33
with wrestling when I was younger, the whole
24:36
world would just evaporate. It didn't matter
24:39
that I wasn't getting good grades in school because
24:41
of dyslexia. It didn't matter about, like, you
24:45
know, how many friends you have. It's just there's
24:47
this one area. And, like, for me, my whole world
24:50
was where a bat was. the people in that room
24:54
and just basically being like my partner my training
24:56
partner and I just working towards something
24:58
that I knew one day would get me to a better
25:01
place so like and that's kind of the same thing
25:04
I do with art but now it's just into a shape
25:06
into like a sheet of paper I'm curious if or
25:09
how long it takes for us to kind of get into
25:11
that space not necessarily how long into a drawing
25:14
but were you able when you started making art
25:17
were you able to immediately kind of get into
25:19
that flow or was there Were there some hurdles?
25:23
Yeah, I guess like in that zone, right? Like
25:25
we all kind of know the feeling of getting into
25:27
that zone. Pretty much, very much the day variant.
25:30
Like how much, like whatever was going on around
25:34
me. But I did find that it was like with art,
25:36
I've been able to pretty much to just sort of
25:38
melt the world away. Just that's what I like
25:40
about it. I think sometimes it can take 10 minutes,
25:44
like, I don't know. Or sometimes it can be like,
25:46
you're not feeling it the whole way through.
25:49
And that's okay. That's okay. You're just like,
25:51
okay, I guess I'm fighting myself. I'm going
25:53
back and forth and just trying to get myself
25:55
through this, this, this picture. But I think
25:58
we all have a piece. Like you probably have one
26:00
that you're like, okay, we're just going to get
26:01
this done. Yeah. I had all these amazing intentions
26:05
and then you're like, forget it. Yeah. I think
26:10
you're underestimating my ability to. finish
26:14
things I have I have way more unfinished things
26:17
I think I'm more likely to abandon it than to
26:20
force myself to finish it which really it's so
26:24
cool hearing your perspective of you're just
26:26
like okay I'm just gonna get through with this
26:29
to the end and I'm like yeah maybe I'll just
26:30
let this you know hide in my dresser for a few
26:35
months before I look at it again or I think that
26:38
might be us coming from two different worlds
26:40
again yeah like I yeah whereas like I guess mine's
26:43
like trying to be not in this. I feel like artists
26:47
is maybe like more flow, but I don't know. Maybe
26:50
artists is hard to figure out. Like it just varies
26:53
from person to person. Like there's a spectrum
26:54
to it. Like for me, mine is to basically get
26:58
the job done. As soon as I started, I do like
27:01
it. Like, I'm just like, I'm like, Hey, we gotta,
27:03
we're going to go through all these bases. Like
27:06
I usually start off on an ear to the jaw, to
27:08
the eyes, whatever. And then I just feel like.
27:11
I'm in the zone and I'm feeling good for it.
27:13
And like more often than not, like it's very
27:16
rare to basically go through a picture and be
27:18
like, okay, I hated this the whole way through,
27:20
but like there's sparks where you're like, okay,
27:22
I'm liking this. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't
27:26
feel right. I, I, I, as soon as I'm like, I've
27:29
started something, I'm like, I can't, I can't
27:31
tell. Like, like, yeah. Like, like we were trying
27:34
to pull my girlfriend. braids apart today and
27:37
I was she's like you have to go do the podcast
27:39
and I was like oh no but we're almost finished
27:41
and I'm like I'm like we're not done I left it
27:44
halfway through so I'm like I have to finish
27:45
this once I start something so I abandoned that
27:49
project that brings me back to our parachute
27:52
untangling days where we just days eight hour
27:56
days of untangling this massive parachute that
28:01
smelled bad sometimes they smelled bad do you
28:03
remember that they would smell so bad seawater
28:06
yeah right like because they would just ship
28:08
it with the seawater and you'd be like oh that's
28:10
different where the ones back from the desert
28:12
had there was a snake there was one snake i was
28:16
like holy yeah that was pretty terrifying yeah
28:19
also poor snake it does not belong here what
28:22
i don't even know what happened to the snake
28:24
maybe i'm blocking it up I also, what I love
28:28
about your art is that it's so like story -driven.
28:32
Yeah, I think so. I think that might come out
28:35
of being dyslexic, like not being good at writing.
28:38
Yeah, kind of wanting to tell my story, but just
28:42
it won't be written down or written well. So
28:46
it's like, I can kind of express myself through
28:49
this. And if somebody wants to talk to me, we
28:50
can always just chat. Have you ever heard of,
28:52
I always say them wrong, zine? No. Zine. They're
28:57
called zines. I always want to say zine because
28:59
it looks like the word vine. When I read it,
29:03
I just assumed it was zine, but it's actually
29:05
zine. But I always say it the wrong way. Do you
29:07
know what they are? No. This is the fun part.
29:11
They're like little books. You can make them
29:13
out of folding standard A4, like a printer piece
29:17
of paper. In a certain way, you can look it up
29:19
online. And they're just little books, essentially.
29:23
And this is the change. And it's mostly just
29:25
got pictures in it. Okay. I'm more of a pictures
29:29
kind of person, but I can see your little characters
29:32
living in a little book. In the zine world, yeah.
29:35
I guess so. Who knows what number 69 is going
29:39
to be. As someone who doesn't do a lot of drawing
29:43
and mostly does collaging for the most part,
29:46
seeing how drawing -centered you are has inspired
29:51
me at least to make more space for drawing in
29:54
my life. Yeah. haven't really taken up that space,
29:57
but I made a little collage book like this, but
30:00
a little bit different. And I made it this weird
30:04
shaped sketchbook. So it's small. There's like
30:07
four pages maybe. And there's weird paper on
30:10
each of them, but them are just little strips
30:13
of paper. I almost said fabric, but I'm going
30:19
to kind of let that sit. And I think I'm going
30:20
to revisit it and try some. pen drawing a la
30:25
john oh that'd be cool yeah like a nice collage
30:29
is because if you like doing borders already
30:31
yeah your border now is your collage and now
30:35
you're putting something through that whoa i
30:38
didn't even think of it like that oh yeah and
30:41
it's a fun way to use magazine scraps because
30:45
you end up just using these little things that
30:47
you might cut up and you're like oh i want to
30:49
use that but i don't know how so Also, we did
30:51
have a theme picked for next. Do you remember
30:56
what it was? I'm just going to look it up now.
30:59
Ooh, handling rejection. Do we want to talk about
31:01
that next time? We love rejection. Handling rejection.
31:06
Too bad I'm going to do better on the next week's
31:08
test. Okay. We're planting seeds here. Perfect.
31:13
Last week, you were talking about your early
31:16
drawings and you were calling them bad. And there
31:18
was this instinct I had of like, oh, there's
31:20
no such thing as bad art, blah, blah, blah. And
31:22
as I was trying to edit our audio from last week,
31:26
I was realizing that audio editing is quite a
31:29
refined art. And it's not just something that
31:32
I'm immediately going to be good at. And I was
31:34
myself saying like, oh, I'm so bad at this. I
31:37
was like, wait a minute. I've never done this
31:39
before or haven't done this since high school.
31:41
Like, why am I? expecting myself to be a genius.
31:45
So mad respect to audio editors. It is a skill
31:49
that, but my brother's girlfriend, I think did
31:55
her master's in it or something. Anyway, she
31:57
has been so helpful in guiding me through a process.
32:03
Yeah. Also really resonated with. you're like,
32:06
Oh, I'm bad at this. And just, you were speaking
32:10
of the, I don't know if you used frustration,
32:12
but just the growing pains of learning how to
32:15
do something for the first time. Yeah. It's okay
32:18
to call yourself that in the beginning, but then
32:20
you work your way out through it. Yeah. Cause
32:22
like, it's like, otherwise you just have this
32:24
false sense of confidence and just like, you're
32:27
like, I'm great. Cause if you're, cause if I
32:29
started off and was just like, did that first,
32:32
like post Malone drawing, uh, I would have been
32:35
like, oh, I'm like, I'm great. And then like,
32:39
then like, no, no point in this. But like seeing
32:41
the next drawing being like, hey, there was markable
32:44
improvement from there. And we're just going
32:46
to keep ripping it from there. So yeah. I like
32:50
that you normalize that it's okay to look at
32:52
your art and know that there's areas that you
32:55
want to work on. And also admiring what has been
32:59
made. I think, again, we need both sides. Yeah.
33:03
yeah you got to look at it and be like oh how
33:05
do you for starting bud yes it's the same thing
33:09
for the gym like for anybody like you're like
33:11
or whatever medium you i don't want to be like
33:14
pigeonholing myself but i'm like yeah the gym
33:16
was kind of the same thing for me too where you're
33:18
like okay i'm lifting nothing and then there's
33:21
these massive dudes and you're like oh god they're
33:24
like they're never going to want to talk to you
33:26
but like you talk to those big guys and they'll
33:28
be the nicest dude in the gym For the most part,
33:31
not everybody, not everyone, disclaimer. Don't
33:37
talk to all huge strangers in the gym. They don't
33:40
always want it. Sometimes you got to look in
33:42
their eyes and you're like, huh, he looks like
33:44
he's going to rip my head off. Probably don't
33:46
talk to that guy. But if you look and you give
33:47
somebody the nod and they give you the nod back,
33:50
because that's just etiquette because we're all
33:52
listening to our own music. And so if you give
33:55
them the nod, they'll give you the nod. They'll
33:56
chat with you. So like the same thing for art.
33:58
Like I was like, my buddy Mikey was way, way
34:00
better than me. And I was just like, oh, could
34:02
you show me something? And he was just like,
34:04
yeah. And you're just like, oh, that's so much
34:08
nicer and so much easier. Right. So talk to each
34:10
other and learn that we're all novices. So what
34:14
I kind of liked about your gym story was that
34:17
it really highlighted that people are complex
34:20
and not necessarily. scary people aren't necessarily
34:24
scary if they look scary I get that a lot I don't
34:28
think I look scary and most people like but when
34:30
I have a big beard and I'm working out and I'm
34:33
thinking of other things people do think tend
34:35
to think that I'm not friendly and then it couldn't
34:39
be further from the truth like we chat we're
34:41
just going to chat and have a good time but like
34:43
yeah people do judge like I am kind of covered
34:46
in tattoos and larger so I understand that I
34:52
might be intimidating the regular people, but
34:54
I really try my best to just be like the opposite
34:58
of that. I like what you mentioned in last week's
35:03
at the end where you're like, Oh, I'm excited
35:05
to see us get better at this. And I was like,
35:07
Oh yeah, that's such a good thing to remember.
35:10
Yeah. Pretty raw. I'm 68 drawings deep and we're
35:16
two episodes into a podcast. So it's all pretty
35:19
fresh. So you're like, Oh, it's pretty exciting.
35:21
yeah you know like it would be cool to interview
35:24
I think we could also interview artists oh big
35:28
time I think that's something we do for sure
35:30
I think that has to be something like it's just
35:33
such a I think it's such a cool way to go about
35:36
it like you with actual art background and me
35:40
as somebody who's just enthused about their stuff
35:42
so like Yeah. If you want to come on the show,
35:45
we'll, we'll, we'll take anybody. Yeah. Let's
35:48
go. And we've already mentioned a few people.
35:52
Like you've mentioned Mikey. Mike. Yeah. I probably,
35:55
my only former reference. It's like you and Mike.
35:59
That's it. My aunt. I have an aunt who draws.
36:02
Okay. I'll bring her on. Awesome. I love that.
36:07
She's sweet. She's a nice lady. And I love learning
36:10
from everyone because everyone has something
36:13
to teach us. Oh yeah. There's like skill sets
36:16
that like you're going to be like a master in
36:18
and then there's other stuff you're just like
36:20
not going to be able to. And like, that's how
36:22
we all sort of work together. Cool. And I'm sure
36:24
this will play into next episode of rejection
36:29
or handling rejection. I'm in love with that
36:32
episode. That's going to be dope.