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Sharri | 19 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening.
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Speaker 4: In major breaking news, Israel's Prime minister has publicly blasted
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Speaker 4: Albanzi as a weak man who has abandoned Australian Jews.
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Speaker 3: More on this in a moment.
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Speaker 4: Putin and Zelenski are set to meet face to face
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Speaker 4: in a massive triumph for Donald Trump, and Susan Lee
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Speaker 4: responds to her shocking.
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Speaker 3: Slide in the polls.
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Speaker 4: But first, the story I broke last night of the
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Speaker 4: shock cancelation of an Israeli politician's visa has today escalated
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Speaker 4: into a major diplomatic row between.
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Speaker 3: Israel and Australia.
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Speaker 4: Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminette and Yahoo has tonight blasted Albanesi
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Speaker 4: in a scathing statement. He said, just in the last
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Speaker 4: ninety minutes, history will remember Albanesi for what he is,
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Speaker 4: A weak politician who betrayed Israel and abandoned Australia's Jews.
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Speaker 4: A weak politician who betrayed Israel and abandoned Australia's Jews.
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Speaker 3: Truer words were never spoken.
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Speaker 4: These are words of strength and clarity from Natanyahu, who's
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Speaker 4: responding to the relentless aggression from Albanesi. Penny Wong and
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Speaker 4: Tony Burke, the pro Palestinian trio.
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Speaker 3: This marks a dramatic.
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Speaker 4: Escalation in diplomatic tensions, but much like on October seven,
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Speaker 4: Israel was not the instigator or regressi. Here, Israel is
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Speaker 4: simply finally responding to relentless hostility from the Albanesi government
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Speaker 4: in Israel has also revoked the visas of Australian diplomats
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Speaker 4: who are currently working in Ramala in the West Bank.
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Speaker 4: These Australian diplomats will be forced to leave Israel shortly.
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Speaker 4: This means that Australia will know no longer have representatives
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Speaker 4: to the Palestinian authority based in the West Bank, and
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Speaker 4: Israel will also review any other Australian official visa applications
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Speaker 4: for entry to Israel.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 4: This follows Australia's decision to recognize a Palestinian state last week,
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Speaker 4: but it's also a direct consequence of what Israel's Foreign
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Speaker 4: Minister Gideon Sar describes as the unjustified refusal to grant
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Speaker 4: visas to Israelis, including the former Minister IoLET Shaked and
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Speaker 4: now to the Chairman of the Constitution, Law and Justice Committee,
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Speaker 4: Simkha Rothman. Gideon Sar said in a statement. While anti
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Speaker 4: Semitism is raging in Australia, including manifestations of violence against
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Speaker 4: Jews and Jewish institutions, the Australian government is choosing to
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Speaker 4: fuel it by false accusations as if the visit of
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Speaker 4: Israeli figures will disrupt public order and harm Australia's Muslim population.
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Speaker 3: It is shameful and unacceptable.
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Speaker 4: And this is what I've been arguing personally, as you know,
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Speaker 4: for a very long time now. The Albanizi government criticizes
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Speaker 4: Israel so strongly that it energizes the aggressive pro Palestinian activists.
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Speaker 4: It effectively fans the flames of anti Semitism. Now, Albanzi
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Speaker 4: can't in all good conscience blast Israel in one breath
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Speaker 4: and call for calm on this issue on our streets
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Speaker 4: in the next.
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Speaker 3: He sets the tone.
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Speaker 4: This is why he is directly responsible for the anti
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Speaker 4: Semitism crisis we're all experiencing, because it affects everyone. The
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Speaker 4: preschool that was firebombed wasn't Jewish. This is crime and
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Speaker 4: lawlessness and aggression and hate and even the chance of terrorism.
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Speaker 3: Slogans on our streets, our streets that are meant to
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Speaker 3: be peaceful.
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Speaker 4: Albanesi and Pennywog could have chosen to temper their language,
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Speaker 4: temper their assaults on Israel in the interest of public safety.
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Speaker 4: This government constantly forgets that its primary duty is to
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Speaker 4: keep all Australians safe, not solve the wars in the
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Speaker 4: Middle East, where they have no influence and no knowledge
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Speaker 4: anyway of what's unfolding. Albanese's only trip to the region,
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Speaker 4: as far as I'm aware, was in.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety eight, organized by the Palestinians.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't know what's going on there.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't understand the issues or the history.
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Speaker 3: He's an activist.
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Speaker 4: No, I'm so pleased to see both net and Yahoo
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Speaker 4: and Gideon Sar standing up to the Albanesi government publicly
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Speaker 4: and reinforcing this important message that they are fueling anti
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Speaker 4: Semitism with false accusations and the cancelation of Simhra Rothman's visa.
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Speaker 3: Was the last straw.
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Speaker 4: He was meant to arrive today for a Jewish solidarity visit.
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Speaker 4: He was speaking at schools and synagogues. His visa had
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Speaker 4: been approved on the eighth of August, but then early
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Speaker 4: yesterday morning he found out it had been canceled. And
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Speaker 4: not just that he'd been banned from entering Australia for
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Speaker 4: three years.
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Speaker 3: Have you missed it here? He was on my show
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Speaker 3: last night.
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Speaker 6: And I saw that I am being blamed, not for
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Speaker 6: any controversial comments that I made, but on ideas and
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Speaker 6: comments that are accepted by wide consensus in Israel, that
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Speaker 6: Tramas is bad and Israel is good. That anyone who
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Speaker 6: wants to sign was the good, she'd be with Israel.
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Speaker 6: So it's not against me, it's against the state of Israel.
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Speaker 6: I saw many people in Australia chanting.
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Speaker 2: In the streets from the river to the.
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Speaker 6: Sea, Palestine would be free. I did not see the
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Speaker 6: government of Australia doing anything against those messages.
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Speaker 4: He is part of Nettayahu's governing coalition. He's a far
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Speaker 4: right MP. Now, not everyone in Israel or Jews agree
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Speaker 4: with his right wing views, just like not everyone in
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Speaker 4: Australia agrees with conservative politicians here. But not agreeing with
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Speaker 4: someone's views is certainly not a reason to ban them
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Speaker 4: from our country. And even his political rival Benny Gance
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Speaker 4: made this point, saying Rothman and I have stark political
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Speaker 4: and ideological differences, yet Australia's decision to bar him from
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Speaker 4: entry is not only deeply misguided, but blatantly hypocritical. If
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Speaker 4: only Australia fought the ravaging anti Semitism targeting its Jewish
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Speaker 4: communities with the same fervor it banned representatives from the
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Speaker 4: one and Only democracy in the Middle East, and Opposition
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Speaker 4: leader Susan Lee made a similar point today, Well, I.
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Speaker 7: Really regret the way that the relationship between the Albanese
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Speaker 7: government and the government of Israel is deteriorating.
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Speaker 4: Now I've read the entire document that justifies supposedly justifies
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Speaker 4: canceling Rothman's visa, and it points to some mildly controversial
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Speaker 4: remarks he's alleged to have made in media interviews. Now
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Speaker 4: I'm going to tackle the most controversial. He is alleged
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Speaker 4: to have said that Palestinian children are enemies. Now, that
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Speaker 4: sounds pretty terrible. So I went and found the interview
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Speaker 4: where he's alleged to have said it.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to show it to you.
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Speaker 8: Now have a look, mister Smotrid leader has said that
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Speaker 8: the people of Gods should lead, that the aim is
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Speaker 8: to get them to.
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Speaker 9: Leave it's a combat zone. When there is a combat zone.
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Speaker 9: When there is a terrorist organization who is hiding behind civilians,
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Speaker 9: you should let them run away. And if you are
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Speaker 9: blocking them, you're aiding and abating a terrorist organization using
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Speaker 9: them as human shields. That's not a moral thing to do.
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Speaker 9: And if if the United United Kingdom want to be
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Speaker 9: a humanitarian country, it cares about human rights and human lives,
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Speaker 9: they would help the gusens who wants to leave the
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Speaker 9: area or leave and not aid ramas to use them
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Speaker 9: as human shields.
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Speaker 8: I got idea, why don't you let them come over
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Speaker 8: the border into the world, Israel.
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Speaker 3: Why don't they flee into the.
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Speaker 2: Enemies because they are child.
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Speaker 9: They are our enemies. And according to international treaties about
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Speaker 9: refugees in the time of war, you don't let them
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Speaker 9: conquer your country with refugees.
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Speaker 4: So that there was the most controversial comment Simha Rothman
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Speaker 4: is alleged to have made. And as you heard, what
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Speaker 4: he was suggesting is that the United Kingdom take in
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Speaker 4: the innocent civilians from Gaza, the innocent Palestinians. And the
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Speaker 4: journalist said to him, well, why doesn't Israel take them?
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Speaker 4: So that is the context in which he was saying
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Speaker 4: this didn't openly come out and say Palestinian children are
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Speaker 4: the enemies. He was arguing the reverse point. He was
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Speaker 4: arguing that the United Kingdom should be taking the civilians
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Speaker 4: from Gaza, and his point, more broadly is that other
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Speaker 4: nations should be doing that as well. Now, of course,
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Speaker 4: Israel can't open its border to allow Palestinians in during
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Speaker 4: the war, and by the way, none of the neighboring
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Speaker 4: Arab nations are doing this either. Egypt could easily open
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Speaker 4: its gates for Palestinian women and children, and it should
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Speaker 4: do this. So because of that comment that Israel isn't
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Speaker 4: opening its border even to children, and it was the
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Speaker 4: journalist who said the word enemy is not him.
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Speaker 3: He's not allowed into the country. That was the worst
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Speaker 3: comment cited in the document.
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Speaker 4: Now, the Home Affairs document also points to completely uncontroversial
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Speaker 4: remarks such as that Israel is not to blame for
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Speaker 4: the suffering in Gaza and that Hermas is the enemy.
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Speaker 4: The document says that Rothman's statements and I quote mirror
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Speaker 4: the policies of his party, including the elimination of Hermas. Wow,
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Speaker 4: of course he wants to eliminate this murderous terrorist group.
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Speaker 4: What right thinking person would not want to get rid
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Speaker 4: of hermas were apparently some official in Home Affairs, and
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Speaker 4: so Home Affairs concludes again I quote specifically, I consider
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Speaker 4: his presence in Australia would or might be a risk
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Speaker 4: to the good order of the Australian community or a
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Speaker 4: segment of the Australian community, namely the Islamic population. And
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Speaker 4: they say that he could make inflammatory statements promoting controversial
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Speaker 4: views in Australia that could cause division in the community.
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Speaker 4: Now this is a bit rich because look who is
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Speaker 4: causing division in Australia at the moment.
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Speaker 3: It's certainly not the Jewish or Israeli communities.
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Speaker 4: Right, So an event like that, the Prime Minister Albanzi
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Speaker 4: describes it as peaceful and takes no action. Yet Alberizi
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Speaker 4: government ministers are apparently worried that an intellectual parliamentarian from
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Speaker 4: Israel might disturb the peace as he quietly speaks to
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Speaker 4: Jewish schools and synagogues. Now remember this woman who applauded
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Speaker 4: the massacre of October seven and then was given a visa.
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Speaker 4: Well after the Herald's son put her case on the
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Speaker 4: front page, her visa was canceled, but Tony Burke claimed
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Speaker 4: that it was only canceled because she'd been issued the
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Speaker 4: wrong type of visa.
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Speaker 10: Before we even got to the character ground's issue, she
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Speaker 10: was it eligible for the visa that had been issued,
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Speaker 10: and the department administratively canceled the visa.
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Speaker 4: So the wrong visa was issued. No strong words against
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Speaker 4: Mona Zahead, the woman who thanked Allah for keeping her
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Speaker 4: alive long enough to witness Hermus's attack on Israel. No
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Speaker 4: strong words from Tony Burke at all.
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Speaker 3: Nothing to see. He had just the wrong type of
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Speaker 3: visa issued.
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Speaker 4: But then look at the statement Tony Burke issued about
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Speaker 4: why he canceled this is raeliing politician Simprea Rothman's visa.
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Speaker 4: He said, our government takes a hard line on people
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Speaker 4: who seek to come to our country and spread division.
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Speaker 4: If you are coming to Australia to spread a message
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Speaker 4: of hate and division, we don't want you here. It's
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Speaker 4: not even a question that the Home Affairs Minister of
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Speaker 4: Australia comes down harder on peaceful Jews than he does
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Speaker 4: on her Musk loving aggresses. And this is precisely why
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Speaker 4: we have such a problem of social cohesion in this country.
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Speaker 4: And thankfully now tonight, Ndiyahu has called it out for
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Speaker 4: the world to see. All right, now, let's turn to
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Speaker 4: the peace talks underway between Russia and Ukraine. After the
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Speaker 4: historic meetings held by President Trump, the stage is now
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Speaker 4: set for a direct face to face meet between Putin
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Speaker 4: and Zelensky in the next fortnight, and this.
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Speaker 1: Would be followed by a trilateral.
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Speaker 4: With Trump as well. This is a sign of enormous progress.
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Speaker 4: Zelenski and Putin even agreeing to meet is a significant
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Speaker 4: step forward. And here was Donald Trump with Zelenski at
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Speaker 4: the White House today.
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Speaker 5: It's an honor to have the President of Ukraine with us.
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Speaker 5: We've had a lot of good discussions, with a lot
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Speaker 5: of good talks.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you look at this and you think it's
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Speaker 4: extraordinary that most left wing commentators were just yesterday attacking
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Speaker 4: Trump for supposedly giving Putin some big win and for.
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Speaker 3: Even meeting with him.
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Speaker 4: And now we could be on the verge of a
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Speaker 4: historic peace deal that could end the war and stop
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Speaker 4: the bloodshed.
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Speaker 1: Already over a million lives.
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Speaker 3: Have been lost.
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Speaker 4: Now the media is quick to criticize the United States President.
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Speaker 4: Yet if Trump can pull off this peace deal, down
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Speaker 4: to his statesmanship and peerless negotiations. They'll have to acknowledge
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Speaker 4: this victory. Now, this all has happened very quickly. It's
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Speaker 4: only three days since Trump met with Putin in Alaska.
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Speaker 4: Odeal has been done, but the parties are coming closer now.
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Speaker 4: Trump was caught on a hot mic telling the French
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Speaker 4: president Emmanuel Macron that.
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Speaker 3: Putin was ready to do a deal.
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Speaker 2: I think he wants I think he wants to make
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Speaker 2: a deal for me. Goosand are as crazy.
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Speaker 3: As it satday always got to watch for those hot mics.
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Speaker 4: But the questions over territory very serious. Questions over territory
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Speaker 4: still need to be resolved. Land swaps will be the
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Speaker 4: most difficult part. There's a concern that if Putin has
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Speaker 4: the opportunity to restock his weapons, he could restart.
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Speaker 3: The war against Ukraine.
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Speaker 4: So there has to be enough of an incentive or
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Speaker 4: a deterrent to keep Putin at bay.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: These deterrents include the fact that Trump has threatened sanctions
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Speaker 4: and tariffs not just on Russia but even on India
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Speaker 4: for buying Russian oil. Ukraine has also offered one hundred
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Speaker 4: billion dollar weapons deal in reports, and Trump confirmed there
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Speaker 4: will be security guarantees for Ukraine. As part of the
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Speaker 4: peace agreement, the US could even put troops on the
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Speaker 4: ground in Ukraine to ensure that Russia wouldn't invade again
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Speaker 4: in the future. Now, these peacekeeping troops would be led
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Speaker 4: by Europe, and Albanizi has already said he'd be willing
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Speaker 4: to send Australians.
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Speaker 11: And if there is a global response to that in
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Speaker 11: the form of peacekeeping, then we would consider any proposal
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Speaker 11: at the time.
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Speaker 4: So the meetings Trump has held and organized over the
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Speaker 4: past three days are highly consequential, and the European leaders
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Speaker 4: had nothing but praise for his dialogue and diplomacy.
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Speaker 2: Early want to thank you, President of the U States.
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Speaker 10: I thing is changing, something has changed thanks to you.
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Speaker 2: But it's team Europe and team United States.
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Speaker 4: Zelenski's visit to the White House on this occasion couldn't
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Speaker 4: have been more different from his February trip. And you'll
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Speaker 4: remember that when Zelenski sat down with Trump and Jade
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Speaker 4: Vance just six months ago, it descended into a shouting match.
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Speaker 12: And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country,
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Speaker 12: this country.
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Speaker 4: This time, it was calm, positive and friendly. Zelenski played
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Speaker 4: it perfectly. Wearing a suit in a sign of respect,
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Speaker 4: and bringing a handwritten letter for First Lady Milania Trump.
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Speaker 2: My wife also your green.
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Speaker 8: She gave the letters.
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Speaker 2: It's not to you to your bibe.
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Speaker 1: Trump was in the middle of a meeting with European.
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Speaker 4: Leaders in the Oval when he left to take a
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Speaker 4: phone call with Putin, where the Russian president reportedly agreed
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Speaker 4: to meet with Zelenski. It may be too soon to
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Speaker 4: be overly optimistic, but if this good will continues, the
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Speaker 4: next meeting will be Zelenski and Luton.
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Speaker 3: Face to face and alone, the.
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Speaker 4: Warring leaders sitting down to hopefully negotiate peace.
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Speaker 3: This will be the most.
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Speaker 1: Challenging discussion yet and both.
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Speaker 3: Will need to give ground.
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Speaker 4: All right, let's bring in tonight's panel, Daily Telegraph journalist
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Speaker 4: James Willison, Farmer Liberal Senator Holly Hughes, and I'm going
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Speaker 4: to start with your reaction to that topic. Now, Zelenski
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Speaker 4: says he's ready for a meeting with Trump. Holly, this
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Speaker 4: is going to be difficult. I think that Putin will
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Speaker 4: still want areas of Daneski, You'll still want land. So
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Speaker 4: this is where the actual the most challenging part will be.
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Speaker 4: You know what Ukraine is prepared to give up if anything.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, and this is obviously where the rubber is going
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Speaker 13: to hit the roid when these negotiations curve between Putin
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Speaker 13: and Zelensky. But isn't it incredible that on Saturday, every
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Speaker 13: media outlet, every journalist can possibly yell down the camera
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Speaker 13: that Trump had failed, that it was a terrible meeting
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Speaker 13: with Putin, and it had only gone for a much shorter
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Speaker 13: time frame that was originally anticipated. And yet what's occurred
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Speaker 13: today is probably the most significant step towards peace we've
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Speaker 13: seen in the past four years. And you know, it'd
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Speaker 13: be interesting to see if those same journalists and media outlets,
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Speaker 13: if there is a meeting between Putin and Zelensky, which
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Speaker 13: would be a huge step in itself, whether they will
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Speaker 13: then be able to bring themselves to acknowledge the role
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Speaker 13: that President Trump's played. And just in that grab you
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Speaker 13: just played where they said it was team Europe and
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Speaker 13: team United States, you just know Team Assie ain't getting
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Speaker 13: a look in any time soon at that White House.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
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Speaker 4: But Holly's right, James, this is a very big win
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Speaker 4: for Trump. And you know, and as she says, a
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Speaker 4: lot of the media were saying that they shouldn't have
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Speaker 4: even he shouldn't have even met with Putin on Saturday
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Speaker 4: in Alaska.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think if you put aside the bias that
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Speaker 14: a lot of media outlets and the hatred that they
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Speaker 14: have for Donald Trump, and that has been since he
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Speaker 14: was in office for the first time, plus the fact
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Speaker 14: that compared to the Joe Biden administration, things are moving
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Speaker 14: at light speed. Look, I'm just of the view here
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Speaker 14: that if we're getting deals done and it is achieving
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Speaker 14: peace in conflicts not just with Ukraine and Russia, but
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Speaker 14: also in the Middle East, and Donald Trump is front
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Speaker 14: and center of that and doing what Joe Biden and
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Speaker 14: the previous administration was not able even to get close.
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Speaker 14: In fact, these things did unfold under Joe Biden the Democrats, Well,
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Speaker 14: then it can only be a good thing. So once
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Speaker 14: you get past this sort of outrage and this concern
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Speaker 14: about the way that Trump does business, if we're getting
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Speaker 14: the end result, then what are we complaining about it?
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Speaker 14: If he's doing it in a matter of time, And
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Speaker 14: if there is a meeting with Zelenski and Putin and
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Speaker 14: Trump moving forward and it does achieve peace instead of
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Speaker 14: just a ceasefire, then what a fantastic result.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Look, let's return to the breaking news tonight that
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Speaker 4: ned and Ya who has called Albanezi a weak man.
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Speaker 3: Holly, you put it so simply, but got it? Oh
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Speaker 3: so right?
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Speaker 13: Oh, there is nothing incorrect with what Benjamin Dnia who
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Speaker 13: tweeted it out tonight. And if every single question in
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Speaker 13: question time next week in both the House of Reps
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Speaker 13: and the Senate doesn't start with weak politician Albanisi is
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Speaker 13: some form of intro into the question, well that will
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Speaker 13: just be another mark against the coalition and their inability
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Speaker 13: to stand up to this government. Because Netanyahu is one
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Speaker 13: hundred percent spot on when he says that he is
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Speaker 13: a weak politician. I am horrifically embarrassed at the moment
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Speaker 13: to be an Australian when you see that visa cancelation,
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Speaker 13: when you see what is being done to our relationship
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Speaker 13: with the only democracy in the Middle East, and you
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Speaker 13: know this whole talk about the two state solution. Hamusk
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Speaker 13: doesn't want a two state solution and her Musk don't
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Speaker 13: actually care what happens in Gaza. He must don't care
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Speaker 13: about Gazans. They just want Israel gone. That is their endpoint.
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Speaker 13: And that is exactly what they're maintaining themselves for. And
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Speaker 13: the fact that our Home Affairs Minister is now worried
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Speaker 13: about upsetting must sympathizers while he opens the floodgates to
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Speaker 13: Gazans without effective and proper checks, refusing to keep Australian
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Speaker 13: safe because we don't know who they are that are
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Speaker 13: coming in, and I bet your bottom dollar they would
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Speaker 13: cause a whole lot more division in this country than
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Speaker 13: the Israeli politicians when they come through.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I also think on that, I think it's shameful
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Speaker 14: that even if they had even remotely considered that bringing
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Speaker 14: someone like this here could lead to protests or violent
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Speaker 14: behavior and that was a cause for concern is disgraceful.
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Speaker 14: And the fact that we've actually got to that point.
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Speaker 14: If there were Jews being radical, if there were Jews
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Speaker 14: that were protesting and fire bombing mosques, then you'd be saying, well,
22:44
Speaker 14: this is fair enough. But I mean the grounds that
22:46
Speaker 14: you've just articulated there, Shari, are not grounds in my
22:49
Speaker 14: view to cancel a visa. I think it's a very
22:51
Speaker 14: dangerous precedent and I think the Prime Minister deserve what
22:54
Speaker 14: he caught from Netanyahu in the last few hours because
22:58
Speaker 14: he's basically shot the breeze on this and he's he's
23:00
Speaker 14: just favored the Labor Party, the internal caucus, the grassroots members,
23:04
Speaker 14: realizing there's a lot of votes involved in that side
23:07
Speaker 14: of the conflict, and as a result, it was only
23:10
Speaker 14: going to be a matter of time before he poked
23:11
Speaker 14: the bear.
23:11
Speaker 2: And that's what we've seen.
23:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
23:14
Speaker 4: And I think this will undoubtedly have an impact on
23:17
Speaker 4: the Australia United States relationship as well, because there's no
23:21
Speaker 4: question President Trump will see while.
23:24
Speaker 13: It easy, is not avoiding this topic of conversation.
23:27
Speaker 4: Trump hasn't met Trump hasn't met with Albinizi already nine months,
23:31
Speaker 4: since nine months since he was elected. Now you've got
23:34
Speaker 4: one of America's closest allies, Trumpette Na, who've been working
23:37
Speaker 4: together so closely, now who's come out and said this publicly.
23:42
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't it interesting?
23:43
Speaker 13: Though he meets Trump meets with Putin Saturday our time,
23:47
Speaker 13: there's the Europeans and Zelinski by Tuesday our time. Now,
23:52
Speaker 13: goodness knows how quick they can manage getting Zelinski and
23:55
Speaker 13: Putin in a room together. But Trump's them saying there'll
23:58
Speaker 13: be a try lap where he'll be a part of that.
24:00
Speaker 13: Yet if you listen to the Albanese apologists here, it's
24:03
Speaker 13: way too difficult to walk as a visit.
24:05
Speaker 3: It's so impossible.
24:06
Speaker 13: We have all these complex diary requirements.
24:08
Speaker 3: They just can't meeting.
24:11
Speaker 14: They'd be there in a second, tiny West African nations.
24:14
Speaker 14: Two million people have met and sat down with Donald
24:17
Speaker 14: Trump in the White House. He has had two meetings now,
24:20
Speaker 14: granted there is a war going on. Netanyahu multiple meetings,
24:24
Speaker 14: the head of Ireland, the head of the EU, the
24:26
Speaker 14: head of France, Kings Darmer's met with him twice in
24:29
Speaker 14: the UK, more than twenty countries, and we cannot get
24:32
Speaker 14: a meeting. I don't think that Prime Minister probably hasn't
24:35
Speaker 14: picked up the phone and said, do you mind if
24:36
Speaker 14: I come this Sunday and we can have it.
24:38
Speaker 3: But he's been no. They've been trying. They can't even
24:39
Speaker 3: get a phone call. They've been trying.
24:41
Speaker 13: I reckon they're just trying to ride out the Trump
24:43
Speaker 13: presidency and don't want to meet with him at all
24:45
Speaker 13: because he's going to get an absolute spanking, and correctly
24:48
Speaker 13: well deserved.
24:50
Speaker 4: Now, just quickly before we go to the labour's productivity
24:52
Speaker 4: round table. Now, the Prime Minister opened it by saying
24:56
Speaker 4: that he was open for ideas, but already unions and
24:59
Speaker 4: business have clashed over the proposal for a tax on
25:02
Speaker 4: employers to pay for training workers. James, what can you
25:07
Speaker 4: tell us about some of the other ideas we heard
25:09
Speaker 4: on day one of this roundtable which is going to drag.
25:12
Speaker 2: On what chas?
25:13
Speaker 14: We knew that by giving the unions a seat and
25:16
Speaker 14: a front row seat that this productivity summer all this
25:19
Speaker 14: week than there was going to be a lot of
25:21
Speaker 14: bizarre union ideas. We've already heard about the four day
25:24
Speaker 14: work week. Today it was about a mandatory tax on
25:27
Speaker 14: companies that earn more than five hundred thousand dollars to
25:30
Speaker 14: pay for training. Look the other idea that I think
25:33
Speaker 14: is worth mentioning on day one because I just think
25:35
Speaker 14: it is what is wrong with this country. A Legraspender
25:38
Speaker 14: spoke about the fact that when migrants come here, they
25:40
Speaker 14: have to be reskilled or they can't do the skills
25:43
Speaker 14: and the training or the job that they did overseas,
25:46
Speaker 14: and that process needs to be streamlined. Now, my counter
25:49
Speaker 14: argument to that, and I'm sure a lot of people
25:51
Speaker 14: watching would agree, is we've got a million people one
25:54
Speaker 14: million people that are on job seeker and Youth allowance
25:57
Speaker 14: in this country that are not working and they should.
25:59
Speaker 15: Be a skill shortage here.
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Speaker 14: Is the solution really to make it easier for migrants
26:05
Speaker 14: to get into jobs here or should we be prioritizing
26:08
Speaker 14: in every opportunity Upskillinguceraelians at home?
26:12
Speaker 13: James, you can't expect people to work for social security payments,
26:16
Speaker 13: don't have a work for the dole initiative. Don't upskill
26:20
Speaker 13: these long term unemployed? Why would you want to do that?
26:23
Speaker 2: No?
26:23
Speaker 13: I mean that is the attitude that you actually cannot
26:26
Speaker 13: do anything to upskill long term unemployed people. It's appalling.
26:30
Speaker 14: And the elephant in the room here is migration and
26:33
Speaker 14: no one it's not even on the agenda. No one's
26:35
Speaker 14: really talking about it properly. And as we know a
26:37
Speaker 14: lot of economists are starting to say that we've got
26:39
Speaker 14: this zombie economy. It's propped up the economy, it's made
26:42
Speaker 14: the numbers look better than they have.
26:44
Speaker 4: Us out of a recession, that's for sure. Well, I've
26:46
Speaker 4: got an economist coming up now, so I'm going to ask.
26:48
Speaker 3: Him precisely about this, James, Willis Holly Hughes. Great to
26:51
Speaker 3: see you you, and.
26:53
Speaker 4: Let's bring it now from a Treasury Assistant Secretary, David Pearl. David,
26:58
Speaker 4: you were just hearing that discussion there. Do you think
27:01
Speaker 4: immigration is something that needs to be put on the
27:03
Speaker 4: table at the roundtable this week?
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Speaker 16: Look, I think if the roundtable is a contest of ideas,
27:11
Speaker 16: it would be legitimate to do that. Although I must say, Shari,
27:14
Speaker 16: I'm not an economist who's anti immigration. I think immigration
27:18
Speaker 16: is an economic positive, but it does need to be
27:21
Speaker 16: managed carefully. And I'd also suggest that immigration is probably
27:26
Speaker 16: more of a cultural problem than a purely economic one.
27:30
Speaker 4: So out of what we are seeing so far, you know,
27:35
Speaker 4: is there a genuine discussion for reform and how to
27:37
Speaker 4: improve productivity going on in that room or is this
27:41
Speaker 4: everyone coming in with their own agendas.
27:46
Speaker 3: It's very much the latter, Shari.
27:48
Speaker 16: In fact, it's almost Allwellian because under the banner or
27:52
Speaker 16: the flag of productivity, we're going to see a summit
27:56
Speaker 16: which on Thursday afternoon, I expect to support higher taxes
28:01
Speaker 16: on investors, maybe road user charging. Yes, it'll start with evs,
28:06
Speaker 16: but it's going to extend all of us. It's going
28:09
Speaker 16: to support the accelerated rollout of wind and solar and
28:15
Speaker 16: regional Australia, and it's probably going to support some kind
28:19
Speaker 16: of tax hike on our most successful companies and fossil
28:22
Speaker 16: fuel exporters. Yeah, that is none of those things will
28:25
Speaker 16: boost productivity. They'll have exactly the opposite effect.
28:29
Speaker 4: I mean you mentioned renewable energy there and National Senator
28:33
Speaker 4: Matt Canavan is convening his own productivity roundtable outside Parliament,
28:39
Speaker 4: spearheaded by former Productivity Commission Chairman Gary Banks.
28:43
Speaker 1: You're invited to this rival meeting?
28:46
Speaker 3: Are you going to go to it?
28:47
Speaker 4: And do you think energy is something that needs to
28:49
Speaker 4: be discussed when it comes to productivity?
28:53
Speaker 16: Absolutely? I have been invited to go to it and
28:55
Speaker 16: I will speak along with Gary Banks and hinur Gas
28:59
Speaker 16: and some other economists and people representing sectors which have
29:02
Speaker 16: been hurt by anti productivity policies. So absolutely, just.
29:08
Speaker 4: In terms of other areas that the government should be
29:11
Speaker 4: looking at. You know what about government spending? Why is
29:14
Speaker 4: no one talking about government spending?
29:18
Speaker 16: Well, again it gets back to this lie from Anthony
29:21
Speaker 16: Albernezi that the roundtable will be a contest of ideas. Sharry,
29:25
Speaker 16: there will be absolutely no questioning of net zero, which,
29:28
Speaker 16: as I've described before, as a negative whole of economy tariff.
29:32
Speaker 16: I don't think anybody can deny that. There'll be no
29:35
Speaker 16: discussion of industrial relations because the union representatives, and I
29:38
Speaker 16: might add there are four of them, even though the
29:41
Speaker 16: unions only represent thirteen percent of Australian workers, they'll veto
29:44
Speaker 16: that and there'll be no serious discussion about the best way,
29:48
Speaker 16: the only way to achieve fiscal sustainability, which is to
29:52
Speaker 16: put the clamps on spending, starting with the out of
29:55
Speaker 16: control NDIS where one in every ten five to seven
29:59
Speaker 16: year old boys is signed up to the program and
30:02
Speaker 16: its costs of growing at fourteen percent a year. Absolutely,
30:05
Speaker 16: it's got to start with spending, lower taxation burdens and
30:09
Speaker 16: removing the self imposed tariff if you like, of higher
30:13
Speaker 16: energy and labor costs.
30:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually heard that figure was higher the other day.
30:17
Speaker 4: I thought it was as high as one in six boys.
30:19
Speaker 4: So I'm going to check whether it's one in ten
30:21
Speaker 4: or one in six six. But either way, it's unbelievable
30:24
Speaker 4: to think that that many people are now on the NDIS.
30:29
Speaker 4: David Pearl, thank you so much, really appreciate your time
30:33
Speaker 4: now still to come. Susan Lee responds to her shocking
30:36
Speaker 4: performance in the polls, plus, what will the peace deal
30:39
Speaker 4: with Zelenskin Putin come down? To a panel of US
30:43
Speaker 4: politics experts or join me next?
30:49
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
30:50
Speaker 4: Well, as we've been discussing tonight, Zelenskin Prutin I edging
30:53
Speaker 4: towards their first face to face meet since the war
30:56
Speaker 4: began after talks with Donald Trump.
30:58
Speaker 3: At the White House, and here was Zelenski.
31:02
Speaker 17: We just conformed after this productive meeting with President and
31:08
Speaker 17: then with all our colleagues with the partners who conformed
31:12
Speaker 17: as we are ready for throws a meeting.
31:15
Speaker 3: All right to discuss in more detail.
31:16
Speaker 4: Joding minow Is Professor of American Politics, Tim Lynch and
31:21
Speaker 4: Hudson Institute Senior.
31:22
Speaker 3: Fellow John Lee. Welcome to you both. John's starting with you.
31:27
Speaker 4: This is going to come down to negotiations about territory
31:32
Speaker 4: in particular. You know, obviously we don't know where this
31:35
Speaker 4: is going to land, but at this point what can
31:38
Speaker 4: we expect.
31:39
Speaker 18: Look, I think CRIMEA is off the table. I think
31:42
Speaker 18: Russia will keep CRIMEA. But the big variable here is
31:45
Speaker 18: what happens on the ground. Because if you control areas
31:48
Speaker 18: on the ground, you tend to have a stronger bargaining position.
31:51
Speaker 18: And this is where I think Donald Trump has to
31:53
Speaker 18: be careful. He sort of backed away from the idea
31:56
Speaker 18: of a ceasefire. First, Russia does not want to cease
31:59
Speaker 18: fire because Russia wants to quickly change facts in the
32:02
Speaker 18: ground in its favor. And look, the momentum that Donald
32:05
Speaker 18: Trump is created is very positive. It's far better than
32:08
Speaker 18: anything that's happened in the last few years. But we do
32:11
Speaker 18: know Putin will lie and he'll cheat, and the only
32:15
Speaker 18: way you can manage that is to coerce him. So
32:18
Speaker 18: there are things that Putin will be afraid of. He'll
32:20
Speaker 18: be afraid of the state Russian state assets which are
32:25
Speaker 18: currently being frozen being given to Ukraine to pay for
32:29
Speaker 18: military aid. He'll be afraid of the US actually giving
32:32
Speaker 18: Ukrainians Tomahawk missiles, which Donald Trump actually sort of raised
32:40
Speaker 18: back in July. He'll be afraid of secondary sanctions against
32:43
Speaker 18: countries that buy Russian oil. If you can use that
32:46
Speaker 18: coercive element, then I would be a lot more optimistic
32:48
Speaker 18: that we can get to a deal.
32:51
Speaker 4: John, Sorry, Tim, what about you, do you think Ukraine
32:55
Speaker 4: will be under pressure now to concede some territory.
33:02
Speaker 15: Yes, though I think the wider historical precedent now is
33:09
Speaker 15: starting to favor the European solution, which is obviously more
33:14
Speaker 15: American hard power at their disposal and on the ground.
33:18
Speaker 15: There's a very unfortunate historical analogy, and Trump may not
33:23
Speaker 15: may not live this history, but the giving up of
33:25
Speaker 15: the Sudate Sedate in Land by the British in nineteen
33:34
Speaker 15: thirty eight was two Hitler the selling out of Czecholsovakia.
33:39
Speaker 15: It's a very unfortunate analogy, but it's one that's very
33:44
Speaker 15: very apposite to the situation we currently find ourselves in.
33:47
Speaker 15: You've got Trump playing the Chamberlain figure saying, if they
33:51
Speaker 15: could just go up, give up this piece of land,
33:53
Speaker 15: we will have peace in our time.
33:55
Speaker 16: Now.
33:55
Speaker 15: I don't think Trump lives the history of the Second
33:58
Speaker 15: World War, but I am some of his advisors who
34:01
Speaker 15: are canny students of history, and a lot of the
34:04
Speaker 15: Europeans are relying on this or the advisors are against
34:08
Speaker 15: this more hardline approach. They are concerned that he will
34:14
Speaker 15: try and buck buck the history of Munich.
34:18
Speaker 4: What do you think about this, John, And also do
34:20
Speaker 4: you think there is this concern that Russia could just
34:22
Speaker 4: be biding its time, restock its weapons and launch an
34:26
Speaker 4: attack again.
34:28
Speaker 18: Yeah, to put it very simply, and I do agree
34:30
Speaker 18: with Tim, it requires American hard power. It requires the
34:34
Speaker 18: threat of the use of American hard power for there
34:39
Speaker 18: to be a deal. If that threat is taken off
34:41
Speaker 18: the table by Trump, and he hasn't taken it off table,
34:44
Speaker 18: But if he does, then fundamentally Putin's position hasn't really changed.
34:49
Speaker 18: I mean, he can keep grinding out this war, probably
34:53
Speaker 18: longer than Ukrainians can. So if American hard power isn't
34:56
Speaker 18: on the table, I don't think there will be a breakthrough.
35:01
Speaker 4: And also, Tim, what do you think about this peacekeeping
35:04
Speaker 4: foss led by the Europeans?
35:07
Speaker 3: How would this work?
35:09
Speaker 15: Well, it doesn't have a long and glorious history. If
35:14
Speaker 15: you'll remember the breakup of Yugoslavia, that required American hard
35:20
Speaker 15: first willpower and then air power and the willingness to
35:25
Speaker 15: deploy troops on the ground while Europeans at best picked
35:29
Speaker 15: up the pieces. Peace in Europe since the Second World
35:33
Speaker 15: War has required the application of the projection of American
35:38
Speaker 15: military power across the Atlantic. It's difficult to see how
35:43
Speaker 15: this situation is fundamentally different to the one that have
35:46
Speaker 15: obtained before. These styles of war that Russia fights, they
35:51
Speaker 15: generally have about a four year duration if you think
35:53
Speaker 15: of the First World War, the Second World War, and
35:57
Speaker 15: then there is a piece, but it's a piece with
36:00
Speaker 15: If it's going to favor the forces of democracy, is
36:03
Speaker 15: going to require a US president willing to backtrack on
36:06
Speaker 15: some of his more MAGA claims and actually put deploy
36:12
Speaker 15: some troops, either minimally as some sort of trip wire,
36:16
Speaker 15: or to have the implicit threat, a military threat to Putin.
36:21
Speaker 15: Putin violates the terms of the agreement. So yes, John
36:25
Speaker 15: is right, there is no peace, there is no democracy.
36:28
Speaker 15: It's contingent. It's proportional to America's willingness to act.
36:35
Speaker 4: Which is of course been the concern in the past
36:37
Speaker 4: because there's been such pressure on Trump from the MAGA
36:40
Speaker 4: movement to just you know.
36:42
Speaker 3: Aband in Ukraine. Now, I suppose, but I also want
36:45
Speaker 3: to just turn to.
36:46
Speaker 4: Finally, before we go, the upcoming meeting between Zelenski and Putin.
36:52
Speaker 4: This is high risk, isn't it, just having the two
36:54
Speaker 4: of them in a room.
36:55
Speaker 18: It's high risk. If Zaznsky has not been given that
36:59
Speaker 18: American backing of hard power that we keep on going about.
37:02
Speaker 18: If Zansky goes in there cold, it could end quite
37:06
Speaker 18: badly for him. But I can only imagine that Sozhensky's
37:10
Speaker 18: a smart guy. He wouldn't go into this meeting if
37:12
Speaker 18: he didn't at least have the verbal assurances by Trump
37:16
Speaker 18: and the Europeans that Western hard power is behind his
37:20
Speaker 18: negotiating position.
37:22
Speaker 4: All right, John Lee, Tim Lynch, thank you both so
37:25
Speaker 4: much for your insights.
37:26
Speaker 3: Really appreciate it.
37:28
Speaker 4: And still to come the inside story on how Alberan
37:30
Speaker 4: Easy is said to be watering down Jim Chalmer's vision
37:34
Speaker 4: for reform.
37:35
Speaker 3: Cameron Milner will give us those details.
37:38
Speaker 4: Plus what Susan Lee had to say today about her
37:40
Speaker 4: poor standing in the polls.
37:42
Speaker 3: That's next.
37:47
Speaker 4: Welcome back in joining me now former Labor State Secretary
37:51
Speaker 4: Cameron Milner and former John Howard.
37:53
Speaker 3: Advisor David Gazard. Great to see you both now.
37:56
Speaker 4: Cameron, you've been arguing in your column in The Nightly
38:00
Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers Productivity round Table has basically been watered down
38:05
Speaker 4: to nothing by the Prime Minister. You put it like this,
38:08
Speaker 4: you said, what was supposed to focus on productivity before
38:12
Speaker 4: being expanded to include economic reform was then watered down
38:16
Speaker 4: by the Prime Minister as an ideas fest with no
38:19
Speaker 4: timeline for implementation.
38:21
Speaker 3: So Cameron tell us what's going on behind the scenes here.
38:27
Speaker 19: Well, I mean Albo, despite having huge parliamentary numbers and
38:30
Speaker 19: looking you know, unchallengeable, is deeply paranoid, deeply paranoid about
38:34
Speaker 19: his talented treasurer.
38:36
Speaker 2: And that was like the first term as well.
38:37
Speaker 19: But the Stage three tax cuts that Chalmers risked his
38:41
Speaker 19: own flegal life for to say should be tax cut
38:43
Speaker 19: for all, when Albo was out there saying no, no, it
38:45
Speaker 19: should be tax cut that I promised to talk as
38:47
Speaker 19: the small target promised.
38:49
Speaker 2: To the last election.
38:50
Speaker 19: So there's always been a challenge from Charmers to be
38:52
Speaker 19: the labor reformer, to actually be the real labor heart
38:55
Speaker 19: and soul of this government. And Albert doesn't like that
38:57
Speaker 19: because Albert just wants to be the nice guy with
39:00
Speaker 19: the sun coming up in the morning, the sun setting
39:02
Speaker 19: in the evening. No, So this Economic roundtable had huge promise.
39:05
Speaker 19: It could have been another Keating Hawk moment that delivered
39:08
Speaker 19: the accord and supernovation for Australia. Instead, it's going to
39:12
Speaker 19: be a gab fest because Alba doesn't want any work
39:14
Speaker 19: coming out of this. Albat doesn't want charmers to have
39:16
Speaker 19: a reform agenda to make him sure he looks like
39:19
Speaker 19: the next Prime Minister of Australia.
39:21
Speaker 4: We're just looking at pictures there on the screen of
39:24
Speaker 4: I think that was Toto the Dog. David, what do
39:28
Speaker 4: you think do you expect any significant reform to come
39:31
Speaker 4: out of this?
39:34
Speaker 12: Well, I'd like to say yes, but in my heart
39:38
Speaker 12: of hearts, I don't think there will be. I think
39:40
Speaker 12: business has gone into this quite cynically. You don't get
39:44
Speaker 12: the feeling that there really has been any big ideas,
39:47
Speaker 12: because both the Treasurer and the Prime Minister have both
39:51
Speaker 12: said that it would be a good thing if just
39:54
Speaker 12: a few ideas come out of it.
39:56
Speaker 2: Now, there's two problems in that.
39:58
Speaker 12: One is for Alban Easie of the econom he continues
40:00
Speaker 12: to slow, he will have seen as leading a government
40:04
Speaker 12: that squibbed the opportunity through a summit like this to
40:08
Speaker 12: actually lay down an agenda for the future.
40:11
Speaker 2: Whether he's capable of that or not remains to be seen.
40:15
Speaker 12: But the others for Jet or the Treasurer of Jim Chalmers,
40:18
Speaker 12: and you only get a few cracks at this and
40:21
Speaker 12: if he falls subservient to the Prime Minister and knuckles
40:24
Speaker 12: under and comes up with only a few ideas instead
40:27
Speaker 12: of front running a few ideas for reform that he
40:30
Speaker 12: wants to push through the Treasury knows are good for
40:34
Speaker 12: the economy, that would boost productivity, would drive economic growth.
40:39
Speaker 12: If he doesn't do that and falls in behind, both
40:43
Speaker 12: the Treasurer and the Prime Minister will suffer and Jim
40:47
Speaker 12: will suffer from not being seen as a leader that
40:50
Speaker 12: was prepared to go on his own and potentially be
40:53
Speaker 12: a successor for the to the Prime Minister.
40:55
Speaker 4: And it's not just about being a successor, but Cameron,
40:59
Speaker 4: you know, Jim Charmers obviously would want to have a
41:02
Speaker 4: strong legacy as Treasurer. What did he do to implement
41:06
Speaker 4: lasting reform in Australia to make the country a better place?
41:09
Speaker 4: And you get the sense that Alban Ezi is just
41:12
Speaker 4: this do nothing, weak guy who doesn't want to know
41:15
Speaker 4: about it.
41:17
Speaker 19: That's right, and it was small target from the start
41:19
Speaker 19: from Albow and that's why we've went three wasted years
41:22
Speaker 19: of labor government, or not even labor government, just an
41:24
Speaker 19: Alban easy government for goodness sake. So no, I mean
41:27
Speaker 19: Jim Chalmers is born out of a labor family, with
41:30
Speaker 19: labor values and wants to see a labor government, and
41:32
Speaker 19: it's really struggled to do the best he possibly can.
41:35
Speaker 19: And this would have been his moment to shine, which
41:37
Speaker 19: is exactly why Albou shut it down. Exactly why he
41:39
Speaker 19: watered it down. And to your point, David said a
41:42
Speaker 19: few ideas I might take to the twenty twenty eight election.
41:45
Speaker 19: That's what the pressure point is here. So no, it's
41:48
Speaker 19: been watered down because Albo felt threatened.
41:51
Speaker 4: I also want to ask you both about Susan Lee.
41:53
Speaker 4: I mean, for our country, we need a strong opposition.
41:58
Speaker 4: She was responding to the polls today. She was asked
42:01
Speaker 4: about her position in the polls, which is sliding back
42:04
Speaker 4: Albanezy's strengthening.
42:06
Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.
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Speaker 7: I won't be judged by headlines or polling numbers. I
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Speaker 7: know that we will deliver a credible, compelling, serious agenda
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Speaker 7: for change to the Australian people. We're developing that now.
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Speaker 4: I mean, David, this isn't really good enough for our country.
42:25
Speaker 4: We need a stronger opposition. And even your old boss,
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Speaker 4: John Howard came out and told Paul Kelly recently that
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Speaker 4: the Opposition can't wait an entire year to come up
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Speaker 4: with an energy policy.
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Speaker 3: I mean it's like they've all just gone to bed.
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Speaker 12: What do you think, well, I mean, I think we're
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Speaker 12: in that in between phase Shari, where Susan.
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Speaker 2: Is right, that John Howard is right as well.
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Speaker 12: The just being diplomatic, David, Well, they got a belting
42:53
Speaker 12: at the last election. Let's face facts that the last
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Speaker 12: administration never undertook a serious so Peter but Dutton was
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Speaker 12: happy to say, oh, it was all Scott Morrison's fault and.
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Speaker 2: Move on when that review should have occurred.
43:07
Speaker 12: Susan Lee is actually doing that job and it would
43:09
Speaker 12: be foolish to come out and stake your political fortunes
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Speaker 12: on something that hasn't concluded yet.
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Speaker 2: So that's point number one.
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Speaker 12: The second point is this, though you don't get forever,
43:21
Speaker 12: and forever in politics can be a very short time.
43:24
Speaker 12: You don't get a whole lot of time with your
43:26
Speaker 12: numbers bumping along the bottom. So at some point in
43:29
Speaker 12: the not too distant future she is going to have
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Speaker 12: to set a cap in a particular direction and go
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Speaker 12: for it. And it's not good enough to just have
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Speaker 12: sort of people bouncing around talking about whether they're going
43:43
Speaker 12: to oppose net zero by twenty fifty, a policy that's
43:47
Speaker 12: twenty five years hence, or oh, we're going to ban
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Speaker 12: tax breaks for electric vehicles, which sort of says we
43:54
Speaker 12: still haven't learned the lessons from the past, and we're
43:57
Speaker 12: attacking evs in city areas when clearly people in sidy
44:01
Speaker 12: areas want those. So at some point there's going to
44:04
Speaker 12: have to be some cohesiveness around the policy agenda, and
44:08
Speaker 12: the coalition's got to get on board, because if you
44:11
Speaker 12: don't lift your numbers and you do keep bouncing along
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Speaker 12: the bottom, that the party room will come for you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's not just that, it's that alban Easy's
44:19
Speaker 4: position is strengthening. I mean, according to the polls yesterday,
44:22
Speaker 4: Cameron Labor would win more seats if an election were
44:26
Speaker 4: held now than they did back in Maine. And you know, David,
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Speaker 4: I take your point, do a proper policy review, but
44:31
Speaker 4: it's been three and a half months.
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Speaker 3: You've got to know what you stand for.
44:35
Speaker 1: You've got to have some convictions, and they don't seem
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Speaker 1: to have any.
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Speaker 19: No, and you know, she might not want to be judged,
44:42
Speaker 19: but her party, and a party is setting it a
44:44
Speaker 19: judge and if the numbers stay as bad as this,
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Speaker 19: I mean Lay won't last.
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Speaker 2: It's that simple.
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Speaker 19: These numbers are terrible for her, and to your point,
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Speaker 19: there's plea to go on with. I mean Albertise government
44:53
Speaker 19: is not exactly hitting their hard straps here. I mean
44:56
Speaker 19: they've bundled long, They've got a few weeks in parliament,
44:59
Speaker 19: they'll get to the end of the year, few more
45:00
Speaker 19: international trips. I mean they are being lazy in government.
45:03
Speaker 19: So the opposition has got fodder to go for. And
45:06
Speaker 19: if this economic roundtable deliver is a little more than
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Speaker 19: a few ideas for three years time, then there's absolutely
45:11
Speaker 19: every opportunity to go after this government for not having
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Speaker 19: an agenda on productivity, not having an agenda on debt
45:16
Speaker 19: and deficit. I mean the Liberal Party should be lower
45:19
Speaker 19: taxes and smaller government. That's a core promise. That's what
45:22
Speaker 19: they should be out there saying already. That's a brand promise.
45:24
Speaker 19: So there's plenty that she could be doing. I've heard
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Speaker 19: to sit back and say I'll be take twelve months
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Speaker 19: believe on Lay's time.
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Speaker 2: That's not good enough.
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Speaker 4: And the issue is, I mean we all know and
45:35
Speaker 4: Sky News viewers know how terrible this government is, how
45:39
Speaker 4: left wing it is. It's not traditional labor values, as
45:43
Speaker 4: you know Cameron as a former chief.
45:45
Speaker 3: Of staff to Bill Shorden.
45:46
Speaker 4: Yes, but David, you know the most Australians who aren't
45:51
Speaker 4: is tuned into the news, They don't know this. They
45:54
Speaker 4: need the opposition to tell them this. This is what
45:57
Speaker 4: politics is, and this is the issue at the moment.
45:59
Speaker 4: It's why he's improving in the polls when he's doing
46:02
Speaker 4: an even worse job, no doubt.
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Speaker 12: But there are some real existential questions that the liberal
46:08
Speaker 12: parties and the culution more generally is dealing with. How
46:11
Speaker 12: do they re engage with young people, how do they
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Speaker 12: re engage with women?
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Speaker 2: What do they do to.
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Speaker 12: Entice preferences on the left, which is where the vast
46:21
Speaker 12: majority of the voting public appears to be at the moment.
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Speaker 12: These aren't questions you do by just sort of coming
46:27
Speaker 12: out announcing policies. So I'm with her on that, but
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Speaker 12: I agree with you at some point you have to
46:31
Speaker 12: come out. They have put out some aspirational signposts. They
46:35
Speaker 12: want to help people get into a house. They will
46:37
Speaker 12: want to lower taxes more generally they want to encourage
46:40
Speaker 12: economic growth, they want to cut spending, but there needs
46:43
Speaker 12: to be some hardness at some point around these things
46:46
Speaker 12: while they figure out which direction they're going to go.
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Speaker 2: Another thing to say is this that you know, you
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Speaker 2: do get a.
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Speaker 12: Little bit of time where people don't want politics stuck
46:54
Speaker 12: in their face, and that often is months after the
46:56
Speaker 12: election while people sort of regain the momentum, look and
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Speaker 12: take stock of where they are. I think that's what
47:02
Speaker 12: the Liberal Party is at the moment.
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Speaker 4: Okay, well, out of time, David Gazard, camera minare great
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Speaker 4: to see you both.
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Speaker 3: It's still to come.
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Speaker 4: Why it's taken the United Nations nearly two years to
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Speaker 4: admit her Musk raped women.
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Speaker 3: On October seven? That's next, welcome back.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's taken nearly two years, but finally the United
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Speaker 4: Nations has added her Musk to the blacklist of perpetrators
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Speaker 4: of sexual violence, alongside Isis and Boko Haram. Joining me
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Speaker 4: now is one advocate pushing for this outcome. Professor Ruth
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Speaker 4: help Heer and Kadari, We thank you very much for
47:37
Speaker 4: your time.
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Speaker 3: Why did this take Why did this take so long?
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Speaker 5: Well, it has taken that long primarily because We're talking
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Speaker 5: about an annual report of the Secretary General that comes
47:54
Speaker 5: out every year, and in that report that covers all
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Speaker 5: areas of we're second violence was used as a weapon
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Speaker 5: of war. There is an annex to it where the
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Speaker 5: Secretary General decides to add those entities that there is
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Speaker 5: evidence that they actually made use of premeditated and systemic
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Speaker 5: usage of sexual violence as a weapon of war. Last year,
48:19
Speaker 5: in that report, his special representative, Miss Promela Pattern that
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Speaker 5: came in to Israel and performed an affect finding mission
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Speaker 5: and came out with conclusions about the sexual violence that
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Speaker 5: indeed took place on October seven and then went on
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Speaker 5: and was perpetrated against the hostages in captivity. Yet what
48:44
Speaker 5: was lacking at that point was the connecting factor that
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Speaker 5: shows that systematization and the premeditation and the actual attribution
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Speaker 5: of these acts to Hamas. Throughout the last year, there
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Speaker 5: was more evidence that came out, more eyewitnesses and earwitnesses
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Speaker 5: in real time actually came out with more testimonies, and
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Speaker 5: we at the Dina Project, we took it upon ourselves
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Speaker 5: to take all these traces together put them into one
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Speaker 5: all encompassing evidentiary platform. We analyzed it from a legal perspective,
49:26
Speaker 5: and we could point out to these systemic, systematic and
49:31
Speaker 5: systemic evidence, and together with work of others and with
49:37
Speaker 5: more evidence and more testimonies that came out. I'm really
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Speaker 5: very pleased, if I can use that word to that
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Speaker 5: the Secretary General was convinced in being able to attribute
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Speaker 5: the sexual violence and atrocities to Hamas and to.
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Speaker 1: Call it what it is.
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Speaker 2: Well use visual violence weapon or.
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Speaker 4: You should be pleased because it is an extremely important outcome.
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Speaker 4: The fact that media outlets were even denying that israeliars
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Speaker 4: were raped was just terrible. Well, thank you so much
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Speaker 4: for your important work, Ruth. Sorry, that's all we've got
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Speaker 4: time for tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
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Speaker 3: And here's Paul Murray