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Red and Blue: Jonathan Tavernari on BYU's start to Big 12 play, Rivalry game on Saturday at Huntsman Center, Pros returning to college + ... · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: and of course they're having a great season so far. JT,
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  Speaker 3: how are.
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  Speaker 1: You sorry, Sean?
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  Speaker 3: conference basketball play now for Utah, for BYU, for everyone
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  Speaker 3: in this Big twelve conference. BYU successful in the first
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  Speaker 3: official conference game of the year on the road at
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  Speaker 3: Kansas State eighty three seventy three. What did you like
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  Speaker 3: that you saw on that game?
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  Speaker 2: You know? I like the BUYU one, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: you know a lot of times I compare things to
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  Speaker 2: how when I was at BUYU, and it reminded me
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  Speaker 2: a lot of I think two thousand and nine when
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  Speaker 2: we were actually PO champions with Utah. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was Luke Neville's senior year, if I remember correctly.
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  Speaker 4: And that was you know. And the reason why I
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  Speaker 4: say that, Sean.
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  Speaker 2: Is because that you taught team and my team. We
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  Speaker 2: just went on the road and won.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Winning on the Big twelve is hard.
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  Speaker 2: Winning on the road on the Big twelve is twice
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  Speaker 2: as difficult, and a lot of times when you're aiming
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  Speaker 2: to win a championship like that Utah team, like my
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  Speaker 2: BUYU teams, you have to win on the road and
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  Speaker 2: you just have to get the job done.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't pretty. It wasn't really a great game.
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  Speaker 2: You know, BUYU started so and so, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: they just played harder. And what I mean by that is,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to discredit Kansas State, but BUYU just
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  Speaker 2: played hard and that means that if they do what
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  Speaker 2: they're supposed to do, they're gonna win a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these games, right, And but.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't a pretty game.
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  Speaker 2: Richie Saunders, who is one of the you know, the
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  Speaker 2: featured players of the Big Three this year, didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a great shooting night. Rob Bride was okay, he was solid,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't great. A J was a j which you know,
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  Speaker 2: he actually became the leading scorer in the country after
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  Speaker 2: the game because Cam Buzerer out of Duke Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a particularly you know, great scoring game. And
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  Speaker 2: so another week goes by Uyu Stars Conference. Want to
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  Speaker 2: know a big game, you know, big solid game tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: night at the Marriott Center before you know the rivalry
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  Speaker 2: game up of the Hill.
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  Speaker 3: On Saturday, they b YU out rebounded Kansas State by
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  Speaker 3: double digits, largely because of the efforts of a guy
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  Speaker 3: we've talked about plenty in Kevin Kaita. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: they might be like virtually unbeatable if you can't match
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  Speaker 3: up with them in the rebound catchy. If you give
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  Speaker 3: this actually offensive rebounds to the BYU Cougars and they
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  Speaker 3: get second and third opportunities on their scoring end, it
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  Speaker 3: it feels like they're on their way to a really
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  Speaker 3: really serious year. Is this a pace that they can sustain,
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  Speaker 3: not just through the preseason but in Big twelve play?
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  Speaker 3: Can they continue to rebound the way that they happen?
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, I was trying not to give away the
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  Speaker 2: map to victory, but you know, since you brought it up,
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  Speaker 2: I guess we got to talk about it. B YU
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  Speaker 2: really missed Keba in those you know, some of those
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  Speaker 2: really you know less highlighted games in December when he
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  Speaker 2: was sick, and it was exactly because of what you
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  Speaker 2: talked about Sean, you know of fancy rebounding for BYU
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  Speaker 2: rebounding in general. You know, Keba is a is an
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  Speaker 2: absolute monster. He is strong, he's a physical specimen, but
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  Speaker 2: he knows the game. His basketball IQ is very high level.
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  Speaker 2: And so when Keba is not around or he's in
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  Speaker 2: foul trouble, b.
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  Speaker 4: Yu really misses that. Now, you know, on.
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  Speaker 2: The on the flip side, they now have have you know,
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  Speaker 2: the mid season transfer from the G League Abdullah. He
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  Speaker 2: goes by Bido and obviously he's helping a lot. He
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  Speaker 2: actually let by U in blocks this past Saturday. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, BYU is a team that they are solid defensively, uh.
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  Speaker 4: But they are solid defensively as well.
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  Speaker 1: As their main guys are playing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of injuries have you know, have
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  Speaker 2: kind of slowed down this team and in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the bench and their rotation, and you know, as much
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  Speaker 2: as it's talked about the Big three, uh, Keba needs
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  Speaker 2: to be talked about just as much because he is
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  Speaker 2: the anchor of the defense and because of his basketball stabbnous,
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  Speaker 2: he is able to a lot of times set a
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  Speaker 2: screen and roll to the basket and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times he's actually ceiling, you know, the guy that he's
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  Speaker 2: rolling on to allow the you know, Aj and Rob
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  Speaker 2: to get to the to the to the cup. And
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  Speaker 2: so Keba is being is being a massive factor for
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  Speaker 2: BYU this year.
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  Speaker 1: All Right.
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  Speaker 3: I got to ask you about this because you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: and I was remiss last week when we touched on it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when you get a bounce back player, right
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  Speaker 3: like they have with Abdullah, and they've got and there's
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  Speaker 3: other teams all over college basketball that have kind of
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  Speaker 3: exploited this little loophole and they've got the G League
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  Speaker 3: bounce back guys, and Baylor grabs someone who is a
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  Speaker 3: draft pick, and you know, there's plenty of individuals who
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  Speaker 3: have come over to NCAA basketball over the years after
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  Speaker 3: spending time in professional ranks overseas, and it's sort of
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  Speaker 3: a gray area. Well, very few people are equipped, are
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  Speaker 3: better equipped than you to talk about the level of
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  Speaker 3: basketball that those guys experience overseas before they come play
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  Speaker 3: NCAA basketball. So even if we just focus on that
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  Speaker 3: little corner of the market, I mean, how reasonable is this, JT.
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  Speaker 3: How fair is it that someone can be like a
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  Speaker 3: top prospect over in Europe and then have an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to come back and be a scholarship player. Especially adding
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  Speaker 3: a mid season is such a weird thing. Utah DNA
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  Speaker 3: BYU has done it.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The NCAA is like, hey, we're not gonna allow this anymore.
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  Speaker 3: But everyone's just kind of like, shut up, you can't
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  Speaker 3: stop it. So like, give me a sense of what
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  Speaker 3: that actually is professional experience of any kind, and then
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  Speaker 3: you come back to college basketball.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna try to say this, and especially because
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  Speaker 2: I am on a on a on a Utah youth program,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to say this in a very unbiased way.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I want to look at Jaegar Demin for a second.
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  Speaker 2: When Yegor Deming came to BUYU. Yegor had played for
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  Speaker 2: Real Madrid, which you know, you guys know J C.
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  Speaker 1: Carroll. He's a friend of the program.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I know you guys have had him before, Big
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  Speaker 2: Utah State name, Big Utah Hoops name. Right, you guys
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  Speaker 2: also know Trevis Hansen, you know now in the in
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  Speaker 2: the fletic department of BYU. So Real Madrid is arguably
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  Speaker 2: the greatest basketball club outside of the NBA. Very few
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  Speaker 2: people would you know, try to.
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  Speaker 1: You know, go against that right, yay.
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  Speaker 2: Was playing ninety nine percent for their youth team. Did
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  Speaker 2: Yegor ever play on a professional game, Yes, Yegor did.
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  Speaker 1: Yegor played, I believe in one or two euro League.
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  Speaker 4: Games and then played, I think in.
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  Speaker 2: One or two ACB games, which is the Spanish League.
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  Speaker 2: Sean Green, a very dear close friend of mine, a
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  Speaker 2: former you actually played.
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  Speaker 4: There, had a very good career in Europe.
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  Speaker 2: But why do I personally feel like it's okay for
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  Speaker 2: Yegor to play because Yegor never had a professional contract.
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  Speaker 2: Yegor had a contract with Real Madrid as a youth contract,
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  Speaker 2: meaning that Yegor got to practice and very sporadically play
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  Speaker 2: with Real Madrid in a junior sense where he was
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  Speaker 2: never a full part time of the team. He was
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  Speaker 2: a junior player. And there is that distinction in Europe. Now,
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  Speaker 2: in the case of Abdullah, the guy that just started
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  Speaker 2: playing for BYU instead of going to college as soon
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  Speaker 2: as he graduated high school, he went straight to the
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  Speaker 2: G League. He never signed a professional contract in terms
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  Speaker 2: of playing in the NBA, and so that distinction of
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  Speaker 2: like these two guys never had a full professional agreement
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  Speaker 2: in place they.
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  Speaker 1: Never played in the NBA, they never played in.
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  Speaker 2: The highest levels of Europe, you know, aside from that
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  Speaker 2: junior contract, which is very different than a senior contract.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you that because I signed, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, almost a dozen of them, because of my career
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  Speaker 2: year for over a decade, I totally get so I
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  Speaker 2: totally understand the quote unquote amateurism side of things that
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  Speaker 2: allowed the NCAA to clear them eligible.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's flip to the situation.
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  Speaker 2: At Baylor, and I don't remember his name of.
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  Speaker 4: The guy Sean.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you have. It's James something.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot his last name, and they hid from Baylor.
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  Speaker 2: He had been drafted number one, and he also had
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  Speaker 2: played for the Chicago Bulls. And actually, I take that back,
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  Speaker 2: he went through the draft.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't drafted.
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  Speaker 2: But that kid actually went and played for the Barcelona
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  Speaker 2: senior team and he played.
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  Speaker 1: In the Year League.
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  Speaker 4: Well, JT, but you just said Yegor played in.
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  Speaker 1: The Year League.
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  Speaker 2: Yegor never had a full on professional contract because he
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  Speaker 2: had a junior contract. You have to depause that you
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  Speaker 2: have to represent those contracts to the Year League and
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  Speaker 2: to the Spanish league. The guy from the guy from
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  Speaker 2: Baylor was a full time starter on the ACB and
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  Speaker 2: in the ERA League, not for half of a season, Shaw,
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  Speaker 2: not for just a few games, for.
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  Speaker 1: Two full years.
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  Speaker 2: And so that to me is just not because those
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  Speaker 2: will be the type of guys that myself and Luke
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  Speaker 2: Neville and Johnny Bryant and Lawrence Flora and all of
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  Speaker 2: the former youths that have played there that win the
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  Speaker 2: player overseas professionally, they all got to play against, and.
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  Speaker 4: So it is crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: Thankfully they came to their senses and the NCAA came
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  Speaker 2: too their senses. And the guy that was with the
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  Speaker 2: Bulls that played some games with the Bulls this season
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  Speaker 2: and is on the G League, he is deemed innwedgeable
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  Speaker 2: to play in the NCAAA. But you know, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the coaches and I agree with them, that has
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  Speaker 2: to be some defined lines because as you mentioned when
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  Speaker 2: you ask the question, Sean, there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: loopholes out there this year and people are taking advantage
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  Speaker 2: of them. And you know, again, is it going to
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  Speaker 2: be something that whoever has the most money to hire
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  Speaker 2: the most lawyers, they're going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Able to find these loopholes?
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  Speaker 4: What type of balance are.
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  Speaker 1: You bringing to the game at that point.
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  Speaker 3: It's such a strange situation to be in college sports
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  Speaker 3: where we see like even just the regular high school
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  Speaker 3: athlete to college thing that's becoming more professional because of
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  Speaker 3: the Nile stuff, right, because players are because they have
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  Speaker 3: endorsement deals, because these teams have to treat them like
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  Speaker 3: professional athletes. They've got free agency with the transfer portal
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  Speaker 3: and all that kind of thing. But then to bring
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  Speaker 3: actual guys with pro experience back and just be like, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: he just gets to Mulligan, He's going to do this
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  Speaker 3: over because he took a different path. It just feels
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  Speaker 3: like it flies in the face of not only the
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  Speaker 3: rules that have existed for so long, but also kind
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  Speaker 3: of like the spirit of the whole thing. Like it's
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be college basketball. It's supposed to be the
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  Speaker 3: next step after high school or the next step after
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  Speaker 3: junior college on your way to the pros, not a
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  Speaker 3: fallback if it doesn't work out in the pros.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I couldn't agree with that more. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I would take my experience. You know, I came from Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: You and I have talked about this off line, Sewan,
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  Speaker 2: You know, basketball was my way out of Brazil. It
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  Speaker 2: was my way to be able to come to America
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  Speaker 2: and pursue my American dream.
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  Speaker 1: And you know the.
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  Speaker 2: Fact that I earned a scholarship and I was able
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  Speaker 2: to get through college for free.
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  Speaker 1: You know that to me was the.
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  Speaker 2: Biggest accomplishment and the biggest inheritance.
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  Speaker 1: My mom and dad could leave me and do Why
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  Speaker 1: am I one of.
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  Speaker 2: Those bitter guys that go, oh, geez, the guys should
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  Speaker 2: should not be getting paid right now?
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe they're getting money.
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  Speaker 2: And I was pretty good. I probably would have demand
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  Speaker 2: would have command a million dollars or more back in
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  Speaker 2: my day on nil.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But and so I'm not. I'm not against the
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  Speaker 1: players getting paid.
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  Speaker 2: I get that the problem becomes, as you pointed out, Sean,
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  Speaker 2: when you actually have professional not only experience.
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  Speaker 4: Because you can make the argument that if you're a junior.
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  Speaker 2: Player practicing with a professional team, you're getting you're getting
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  Speaker 2: professional experience. But I'm talking about in the sense of
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  Speaker 2: like you actually played a game in a professional league,
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  Speaker 2: not only a.
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  Speaker 4: Game, you played multiple games, you played.
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  Speaker 2: Multiple seasons on a professional league. That becomes a problem, right,
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  Speaker 2: And and to your point, you know, it used to
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  Speaker 2: be that after high school, if you are very developed
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  Speaker 2: physically but you're a little behind academically, you can go
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  Speaker 2: to a junior college and then you get can you
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  Speaker 2: can get your act together and you get to.
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  Speaker 1: Go to college.
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  Speaker 2: And then prep schools became something where if you maybe
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  Speaker 2: you weren't develop academically, maybe you weren't developed physically, you
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  Speaker 2: could skip junior college so you don't start your flock.
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  Speaker 1: And you can get started, you know, and you can
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  Speaker 1: go to a prep school.
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  Speaker 2: But now to your point, I mean, there are guys
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  Speaker 2: that have gone through the draft, they're going undrafted, they
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  Speaker 2: are even getting drafted in the second round, which is
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  Speaker 2: you know, not a guaranteed contract, and then they're being eligible.
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  Speaker 4: To playing college.
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  Speaker 1: That to me is insane, right. I think the NCAA
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  Speaker 1: has done a great.
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  Speaker 2: Job with allowing guys to test the waters, allowing guys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to go all the way to the deadline
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  Speaker 2: just before the June draft.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's a great step in the right direction.
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  Speaker 2: But allow a player to go fully undrafted, or even
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  Speaker 2: let be a guy be drafted and come back and play,
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  Speaker 2: I think at that point, Sean, we're doing as a service, right,
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  Speaker 2: I think the NCAA at a certain point in time,
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  Speaker 2: and and like you told me last time, Jag, if
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna go down this rabbit hole, we're gonna need
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  Speaker 2: a whole podcast of a thousand episode series. I think
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  Speaker 2: the NCAA is trying to compensate on all of the
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  Speaker 2: the extreme knows that they have been given players throughout
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  Speaker 2: the years.
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  Speaker 1: And I think now things have gotten out of hand.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Mike Leach said, once you know the genie
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  Speaker 2: is out of the bottle, the genie is never going
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  Speaker 2: to the never going back.
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  Speaker 1: To the bottle. And I think that's okay, But you.
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  Speaker 2: Have to have certain guardrails, you have to have certain
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  Speaker 2: parameters in place so you can avoid all of this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you an exemple the last thing I share.
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  Speaker 2: I know we're going a little bits over time, but
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  Speaker 2: for instance, BUYU has two players right now that I
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  Speaker 2: personally wish they were playing much better, Electe and Mahilo,
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  Speaker 2: and I wish that they were playing much better. And
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  Speaker 2: I've been hyper critical of them because they were playing
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  Speaker 2: multiple seasons at the professional level in Europe and they
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  Speaker 2: were playing, you know, with guys that I played against
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  Speaker 2: there are now in the euro League and you're playing
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  Speaker 2: at dead level and you can't perform at the college level.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing? And not only you're not performing,
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  Speaker 1: you're also getting paid to do this, and so you know, I,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to say this from a non blue goggles perspective
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  Speaker 2: because Buyu has totally taken advantage of the loophole, and
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  Speaker 2: rightfully so, like Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: Young said, you know, if the rule is open.
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  Speaker 2: And we're doing everything by the book, we're not doing
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  Speaker 2: anything wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And I agree with him.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Nonetheless, there has to be some parameters in place, so
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: there is some form of fair play in place.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with any of what you said more
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: and I actually thought you stated it perfectly when you
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: said that the NBA is over cop and saying now
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: because it was just no no, no, no no for
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: so long. It's like being the strict parent and you realize, oh,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I've been I've been smashing my kids' dreams for too long.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: I don't let them do anything, so I've become overly
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: permissive and I go too far on the other end
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: of the spectrum. That's what the NCAA is doing, right
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: now you're absolutely right about that. Jonathan Tabernari is our
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: guest here for a couple more minutes, Red and Blue
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: on the Sean O'Connell Schow brought to you my friends
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: at Murdoch Ford Santa Quinn. All right, so you referenced
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: this earlier. We got to talk about it before I
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: let you get out of here. Utah BYU a rivalry
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: of the highest order in this state. And obviously the
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: football rivalry has gone the way of the Koogs recently.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: The basketball rivalry was split last year. But what's what's
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: it gonna look like on Saturday?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I personally think that this Saturday, you know, I think.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Utah steps up and you type and Utah.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Plays better than had and then he has been playing
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: in a little while. And I think that's because it's
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: a rivalry game. I think it's the first rivalry game
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: for Alex. I think, you know, fan support in South
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Lake is going to come out and show and I
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be a battle. It is a
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: rivalry game. You know, it doesn't matter how you want
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to slice it. Obviously b Yu are heavy favorites and
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: just based on how everything is going, but it's none
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: of the last a rivalry you know, and you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: everything can happen on a rivalry game. It's difficult to
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: win a rivalry game by twenty thirty points, right, And
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: that's because guys have pride and they represent their team,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and so you know, Utah has had you know, Alex
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: has done a better job of well. Alex has done
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: a great job on trying to do everything that he's
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: been doing this year. But I think as off the
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: last couple of months, things have picked up a little
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: bit right beginning of the season, the struggles with Weaver,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: a couple of losses I think to cal Pally and
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: to Grand Canyon that were so so.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: And day and now they're remping up. Obviously they lost.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: To Arizona, but again Arizona's a number one team in
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the country and so that's understandable, and so the team
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: keeps improving.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I think it will be interesting.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: A battle, you know, between a j and also a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: battle between my gosh, his name just cape to me
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: right now. He is Utah scores Tarris Brown and you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: because Terrace is scoring, you know, almost twenty two points
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a game and stays with the ball in his hands
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: a lot, and you know it will be it will
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: be a great game, and you know, I'm excited to
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: watch it.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: JAT.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: It's always great getting your time and your perspective. Are
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: you going to be at the game on Saturday night?
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately I'm not my My my older boy, he's thirteen.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: He's part of a select, a select basketball team. He's
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: actually pretty good. I'm not exaggerating, and so I'm actually
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: at it to Arizona this weekend. We're an Adida sponsor
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: team and we have a session of the Adida Circuit.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: So sadly I won't be there, but I am.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to being at the BYU game in
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: about you know, in about a few weeks when they
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: play in Provo, I'll actually be there in person.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Well, Dad, life is always more important, so I can
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: appreciate that. Thanks for your time again. We'll talk soon.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, I appreciate you guys having me.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Have a good day.
• 20:20
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