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The Kenny Report | 26 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me again tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The cost of living crisis set to escalate as inflation
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  Speaker 2: ticks up and an interest rate rise becomes more likely.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister lets a rogue senator get away with
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  Speaker 2: voting against their own government on the Middle East. Julian
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  Speaker 2: Nissan's on his way back to Australia, but he has
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  Speaker 2: to spend his first hours.
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  Speaker 1: Of freedom with Kevin Rudd. Perish the thought.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I'll unpick the horrendous costs of the labor Greens
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  Speaker 2: and Teals backed.
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  Speaker 1: Renewable energy roll out.
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  Speaker 2: All that my special documentary project revealed, the Wednesday wrangle
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  Speaker 2: and much more.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: The chances of another interest rate rise in the next
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  Speaker 2: month or two just got a lot higher. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: the likelihood, according to the markets, more than doubled thanks
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  Speaker 2: to today's inflation figures. Months ago, we were all looking
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  Speaker 2: forward to interest rates finally starting to head down before
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year, but we're now looking at
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  Speaker 2: yet another rise, perhaps as soon as next month, and
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  Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty bet by September. Another rate increase
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  Speaker 2: will be yet another blow to households. Another addition to
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis. Yeah, the annual inflation rate
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  Speaker 2: jumped up almost half a percent in today's CPI figures,
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  Speaker 2: taking it to four percent, a level that market's assessed
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  Speaker 2: as worrying given the Reserve Bank has already been considering
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  Speaker 2: increasing interest rates to force inflation down.
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  Speaker 3: The inflation trend in this country is now back up,
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  Speaker 3: not down. I just can't see how they can walk
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  Speaker 3: away from this and have any sort of inflation fighting
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  Speaker 3: credibility intact. So I think it's about a seventy five
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  Speaker 3: percent chance, up from about a sixty percent chance prior
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  Speaker 3: to this number. The market puts a slightly lower probability
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  Speaker 3: on it, but interestingly, you're seeing a lot of forecasters
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  Speaker 3: changing their view to a raid hike in August in
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  Speaker 3: the last few hours.
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  Speaker 2: Look, this stuff is dynamite for the alb and easy
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  Speaker 2: labor government and its economic and political management.
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  Speaker 4: As I said before, as we've said many times, the
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  Speaker 4: monthly numbers bounce around, they don't compare the same.
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  Speaker 5: Goods and services.
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  Speaker 2: This is a government trying to clear the decks for
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  Speaker 2: an election late this year or early next, but it's
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  Speaker 2: in deep strife because we all remember Labour's central campaign
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  Speaker 2: promise at the last election.
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  Speaker 6: We will put in place mechanisms that provide cost of
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  Speaker 6: living relief.
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  Speaker 4: Under Labor you'll have a government which cares about cost
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  Speaker 4: of living and has plans to.
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  Speaker 6: Deal with It'll build people's living standards up a better
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  Speaker 6: future with real plans to address the cost of living.
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  Speaker 4: And to ease the pressure that too many Australians are
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  Speaker 4: feeling during this full blown cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 6: Taking pressure off the cost of living, of addressing cost
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  Speaker 6: of living issues, to take pressure off living standards.
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  Speaker 1: Meaningful help with your cost of living. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Analysis of the CPI figures shows that many of the
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  Speaker 2: areas driving inflation are parts of the economy where the
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  Speaker 2: hand of government is strongest. There's fuel prices and tobacco
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  Speaker 2: where government taxes are high, and there's rents where the
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  Speaker 2: housing crisis kicks in. And there's electricity prices where the
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  Speaker 2: rush to renewables is forcing prices ever upwards.
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  Speaker 6: The effect is that inflation is lower than what we inherited.
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  Speaker 6: The fact is that the measures that we have put
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  Speaker 6: in place that have put downward pressure on inflation, such
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  Speaker 6: as energy price relief, have had a substantial impact on
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  Speaker 6: helping to drive down that inflation.
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  Speaker 2: Now, on the contrary, experts tell us that spending from
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  Speaker 2: state and federal governments has been fueling inflation, and the
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  Speaker 2: worry is that new spending kicking in from next week,
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  Speaker 2: fuel rebates and the likes could also be inflationary. Still,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister found ways to downplay the problem, or
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  Speaker 2: at least past the buck.
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  Speaker 6: This is what the RBA governor had to say. She said,
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  Speaker 6: this is a very similar experience. She went on to say,
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  Speaker 6: you look at core inflation and services inflation in particular overseas.
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  Speaker 6: The experience there is very similar to here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's global factors apparently, which, of course is another
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  Speaker 2: way of saying this.
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  Speaker 2: Somehow, I don't think that line is going to work
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  Speaker 2: in an election campaign. When you promise to beat inflation,
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  Speaker 2: you promised to force down interest rates and promised to
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  Speaker 2: lower the cost of living, its best.
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  Speaker 1: Not to make things worse.
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  Speaker 2: One of the big cost of living inputs is electricity prices.
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  Speaker 1: They squeeze household budgets.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, they hurt small business and they feel
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  Speaker 2: costs for manufacturing and processing business and industry labor promised
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  Speaker 2: to push prices down.
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  Speaker 1: They promised to cut household.
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  Speaker 2: Bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year,
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  Speaker 2: you'll remember, but they've gone up by double that. The
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  Speaker 2: more renewables they put in, the higher our prices go.
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  Speaker 2: But still the Climate and Energy Minister is pushing his
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  Speaker 2: renewables plan and demonizing the coalition's nuclear option.
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  Speaker 6: It's not just that nuclear as expensive to build, it's
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  Speaker 6: also that to make it work it needs to force
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  Speaker 6: out the cheapest form of energy, renewables.
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  Speaker 2: The latest system plan from the Australian Energy Market Operator
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  Speaker 2: or AEMO has been seized on by the renewable zealots,
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  Speaker 2: but of course AMO is the organization designing this renewables transition.
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  Speaker 2: It's a EMO that's overseen record price hikes while reliability
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  Speaker 2: has plummeted. And AEMO can't can't even consider nuclear energy
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  Speaker 2: because it's banned under law. So it was fascinating to
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  Speaker 2: see the AEMO chief speak with Ross Greenwood in the
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  Speaker 2: previous half hour.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't object to Ross's point.
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  Speaker 2: That if you got rid of the nuclear ban, then
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  Speaker 2: the market could determine our cheapest energy source.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Look, I think the market is always best place to
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  Speaker 8: decide on the mix of generation.
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  Speaker 1: What we're forecasting is the lowest cost.
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  Speaker 8: Forms of generation in terms of renewables, that is the
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  Speaker 8: lowest cost. But they obviously need storage and flexible gas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all that other stuff that you don't need with nuclear.
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  Speaker 2: But gas of course will be key no matter what
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  Speaker 2: we do. The AEMO boss also talked about the edible
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  Speaker 2: difficulties and costs being caused by the new transmission lines
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  Speaker 2: being installed right around the country to link up renewables projects,
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  Speaker 2: and they're being opposed by many communities.
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  Speaker 8: Look, Australia's energy electricity transmission system was laid out over
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  Speaker 8: seventy years ago with a simple design to transport energy
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  Speaker 8: from places like the Hunter Valley and Latrobe Valley to
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  Speaker 8: our cities, and Australia really hasn't built transmission since then.
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  Speaker 8: So I think it's fair to say that as an
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  Speaker 8: industry we're still learning on how to.
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  Speaker 1: Get this right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a mess, all right, but this is a
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  Speaker 2: huge plus for nuclear energy. Reactors will be based in
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  Speaker 2: the Hunter and Latrobe valleys, and in those cold generating
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  Speaker 2: zones of South Australia and Queensland too, where transmission lines
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  Speaker 2: are already in place. Now, the latest a EMOS system
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  Speaker 2: plan claims the renewables transition will cost one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty two billion dollars. That's a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money, nearly twice as much though, as the nuclear
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  Speaker 2: plan would cost according to the CSIRO numbers. But that
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  Speaker 2: AEMO cost figure leaves out huge quantities of the real.
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  Speaker 1: Cost of renewables. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I could show you their statement here, but we're having
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  Speaker 2: trouble with the graphics. But their statement uses that one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty two billion dollar figure, But there's an
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  Speaker 2: editor's note at the bottom of it saying that the
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  Speaker 2: cost does not include commissioned, committed or anticipated projects, or
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  Speaker 2: consumer energy resources or distribution network upgrades. Neither does it
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  Speaker 2: count any of the one hundred or two hundred billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars worth already spent. But really, how could they not
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  Speaker 2: count projects already commissioned and planned. I mean, we showed
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  Speaker 2: you last night what the planned projects look like in
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  Speaker 2: Queensland alone, tens of billions of dollars worth of wind
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  Speaker 2: projects right up and down the Great Dividing Range. But
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  Speaker 2: because they're already planned, their costs are not counted.
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  Speaker 1: How ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: So it doesn't count the consumer energy resources, in other words,
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  Speaker 2: the hundreds of billions of dollars that you and I
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  Speaker 2: have spent or will spend on solar panels and batteries
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  Speaker 2: and the like.
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  Speaker 1: Again, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: These are huge parts of the transition cost and AMO
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't include them. And then there's all the government
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  Speaker 2: renewable subsidies state and federal that are endless and ongoing,
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  Speaker 2: not to mention hundreds of millions of dollars on subsidies
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  Speaker 2: to keep cold going in the meantime. So this cost
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  Speaker 2: estimate of one hundred and twenty two billion dollars is
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  Speaker 2: completely misleading. The real cost of the renewable transmission is
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  Speaker 2: more likely at least three times that amount. I'll have
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  Speaker 2: more on this with an expert tomorrow night. But if
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  Speaker 2: nuclear is so expensive and will never work, then the
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  Speaker 2: government should just get rid of the ban and let
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  Speaker 2: the market and investors work this out. Wiki Leagues founder
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  Speaker 2: Juliana Saran's will arrive back in Australia in a couple
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  Speaker 2: of hours. I said last night that no one should
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  Speaker 2: feel sorry for Julian Ussanz, but I might have changed
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  Speaker 2: my mind a little bit today.
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  Speaker 1: I'll explain in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: The reason he doesn't deserve sympathy is because he's been
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  Speaker 2: the master of his own difficulties. The reason he was
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  Speaker 2: hold up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London for years
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  Speaker 2: was because he refused to face sexual assault allegations in Sweden.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason he's been in prison for five years
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  Speaker 2: in Britain is because he refused to go to the
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  Speaker 2: US to face charges over publishing classified information. Anyway, he's
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  Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to those charges now and he returns to
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  Speaker 2: Australia a convicted felon, but free. And the reason I
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  Speaker 2: feel sorry for him today is that on his flight back,
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  Speaker 2: he's spending his first hours of freedom with Kevin Rudd.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, give me a break. I wonder if.
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  Speaker 2: Vassans will even get a word in on that flight,
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  Speaker 2: and I certainly hope the flight attendants don't serve Rudd
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  Speaker 2: the wrong meal. The former Prime Minister now US Ambassador
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  Speaker 2: was in the Northern Mariana Islands for the court hearings,
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  Speaker 2: as was former Labor Minister and now UK High Commissioner
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Smith talk about overkill. They should have just sent
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  Speaker 2: senior consular officials, but it seemed everyone wants to claim
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  Speaker 2: some of the glory from seeing this convicted felon freed. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: it all went smoothly, and his legal team were pleased
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  Speaker 2: enough that.
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  Speaker 9: The fact that we've been able to free Julianassanche today
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  Speaker 9: against all the odds and against one of the most
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  Speaker 9: powerful governments in the world, will give hope to all
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  Speaker 9: journalists and publishers who are imprisoned around the world.
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  Speaker 10: And we encourage.
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  Speaker 9: Everyone who stood to fight for Julian to continue that
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  Speaker 9: fight for him and for all of those others in
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  Speaker 9: the hope that we can secure their freedom too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, take the politics out of it. They're well pleased,
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  Speaker 2: and so they should be. But as I said yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: there is a strange coalition of supporters who see assanj
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  Speaker 2: as a free speech hero, sticking it to the United
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  Speaker 2: States and all of that. It's a weird collection from
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  Speaker 2: the far left of politics and the far right, and
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  Speaker 2: we can expect the left wing media in particular in
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  Speaker 2: Australia to fawn over Assange when he gets home tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Now, don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 2: As I said last night, I think most Australians are
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  Speaker 2: pleased to see him home simply because enough is enough
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to his incarceration. And yes, the alban
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  Speaker 2: Eezy government did well to orchestrate this, but he's not
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  Speaker 2: a hero and shouldn't be given a hero's welcome. So
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  Speaker 2: I really hope they don't have any official delegations welcoming
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  Speaker 2: Assange at the Canberra Airport tonight.
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  Speaker 1: He's a convicted criminal after all.
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  Speaker 2: When David Hicks returned to Australia after a similar deal
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, he was still a prisoner,
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  Speaker 2: and while there was plenty of media interests, there was
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  Speaker 2: no fanfare.
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  Speaker 5: He was still in prison Orange when he landed.
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  Speaker 11: David Hicks was sentenced to seven years, with only nine
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  Speaker 11: months to serve, most of it in Adela the prison.
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  Speaker 11: When released on New Year's Eve two thousand and seven,
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  Speaker 11: he had been incarcerated for a little over six years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it'll be a little different for a suns
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  Speaker 2: He walks off the plane free and there'll be intense
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  Speaker 2: media interest and of course family to reunite with, and
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  Speaker 2: that's all.
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  Speaker 1: To the good. But I sure as hell.
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  Speaker 2: Hope we don't have government ministers or the like joining
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  Speaker 2: this particular picture opportunity. I mean, imagine if the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister turns up wrestling with Rudd and Smith and Assans
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  Speaker 2: for the best optics.
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  Speaker 1: Surely not. That'd be the wrong way.
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  Speaker 2: To welcome a convicted criminal who's been through a trauma
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  Speaker 2: of his own making and who has generated enormous costs
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  Speaker 2: and strife for his nation. The Suns should be left
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  Speaker 2: to look after himself. Now, catch up with family and
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  Speaker 2: friends and sort out what no doubt will be a
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  Speaker 2: long list of media engagements with various arms of the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've mentioned a couple of times that I've been
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  Speaker 2: working on another documentary project. You'll remember I showed you
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  Speaker 2: some comments about the border protection fiasco with the former
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister John Howard when I interviewed him last month
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  Speaker 2: for the doco. Well, now we can announce the program.
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  Speaker 2: It'll go to air here on Sky News in just
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  Speaker 2: over a fortnight from now on July to fifteenth, which
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  Speaker 2: is the sixtieth anniversary of the Australian Newspaper. The Story
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  Speaker 2: of the Australian Newspaper is the story of sixty years
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  Speaker 2: of News. But it's also the story of Rupert Murdoch's
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  Speaker 2: vision for the paper, and this documentary includes remarkable insights
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  Speaker 2: from Murdoch. We don't often see him interviewed, but he
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  Speaker 2: sat down with Paul Whittaker, the CEO of Sky News
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  Speaker 2: and former editor in chief of The Australian, and Murdoch's
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  Speaker 2: insights on national and world events and personal assessments of
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  Speaker 2: leaders here and globally are fascinating and they'll be newsmaking.
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  Speaker 1: Take a look at this promo.
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  Speaker 5: What's the best piece of advice you've.
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  Speaker 1: Ever been given?
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  Speaker 6: Probably from my mother, tell the truth and my father
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  Speaker 6: be curious, always.
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  Speaker 11: Grupet wise, very much a disruptor, who want.
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  Speaker 1: To just show up the country. Caught my love for
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  Speaker 1: know proud of it.
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  Speaker 7: It would quite often be seen down on the.
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  Speaker 5: Stone making out the paper.
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  Speaker 7: It could have been the greatest challenge before me, I think,
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  Speaker 7: in life.
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  Speaker 1: Yet it had a great effect on Australia.
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  Speaker 11: Such an uplifting and timeless spirit.
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  Speaker 4: It's a deeply thoughtful newspaper.
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  Speaker 1: The Australian use that and much much more.
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  Speaker 3: As The Australian celebrates sixty years of journalism.
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  Speaker 2: One all around nothing, we'll say within hear from the
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  Speaker 2: men who started it all.
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  Speaker 1: You're a person who divides public opinion. I've got a
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  Speaker 1: pretty thick skin.
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  Speaker 5: The Australian sixty Years of News, eight pm, July fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the promo. I can't wait to show you
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing. There are so many other great insights
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  Speaker 2: in the doco. I spoke with Janet Oldbrookson. You saw there,
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  Speaker 2: johannahs Leak, of course, a favorite of everybody's, former editor
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  Speaker 2: in chief Chris Mitchell, and the current incumbent Michelle Gunn.
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  Speaker 2: Now the thing is that for subscribers to our Sky
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  Speaker 2: News app, we'll start previewing some.
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  Speaker 1: Of this material.
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  Speaker 2: You'll be able to see some of the interviews via
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  Speaker 2: the app. So you can use this QR code that
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  Speaker 2: will put up on the screen. It's there for you
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  Speaker 2: now if you want to subscribe to the app, just
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  Speaker 2: use that QR code. There will be other interviews in
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  Speaker 2: the doco too. There's former Prime ministers John Howard and
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  Speaker 2: Tony Abbott who actually worked at the Australian as a
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  Speaker 2: journalist many years ago.
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  Speaker 1: And you send it Namba. Jimber Price is interviewed as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's my first chat with her since the voice, so
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  Speaker 2: that was kind of interesting, and also the Douen of
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  Speaker 2: commentators Paul Kelly, as well as the Teacher's Pet podcaster
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  Speaker 2: Headley Thomas. So there it is another opportunity via the
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  Speaker 2: app to view some extra content. Obviously, the full documentary
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  Speaker 2: will be available on the app to when we air it.
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  Speaker 2: So that's it the Australian sixty Years of News coming
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  Speaker 2: up Monday fortnight. By the way, subscribers on the app
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  Speaker 2: can also still view my Going Nuclear documentary if you
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  Speaker 2: want to check that out now that the nuclear debate
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  Speaker 2: has really moved along. We kicked it off with that
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  Speaker 2: doco nearly three years ago. But the odds is a
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  Speaker 2: fascinating story too. I write for the paper. As you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was a bold experiment to set up the paper
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty four and it's hard to imagine national
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  Speaker 2: debate in this country now without the Australian Newspaper. Let's
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  Speaker 2: go to David little Proud, now the Nationals leader, joining
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  Speaker 2: us from camera.
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  Speaker 1: Such a big news day.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to get your thoughts first, David on inflation.
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  Speaker 2: Inflation Labor keeps telling us that they've got the inflation
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  Speaker 2: dragon slayed but bumping up to four percent, it seems
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  Speaker 2: we're really on a lookout now for another interest rate rise.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, they failed to address the fundamentals or driving it.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, people's discretionary spending stopped. But what hasn't stopped
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  Speaker 12: is the fact that their fixed costs keep going up.
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  Speaker 12: Their energy bill, their gas bills, their food bills. I
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  Speaker 12: mean that which are all intertwined, are going up, and
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  Speaker 12: that's keeping inflation higher longer, which means rates are staying
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  Speaker 12: high and putting pressure on the RBA governor. And particularly
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  Speaker 12: when you look at the fact this government has spent
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  Speaker 12: six and a half billion dollars just from themselves, just
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  Speaker 12: from the common before the States on trying to deliver
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  Speaker 12: a promise of a two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 12: reduction in your energy bill that's gone up by over
• 18:38
  Speaker 12: seven hundred dollars. They are only one thousand dollars out.
• 18:40
  Speaker 12: This is how bad they are. But they're going to
• 18:42
  Speaker 12: flood another trans of money into the economy without addressing
• 18:48
  Speaker 12: the fundamentals. You can't keep subsidizing your way out of this.
• 18:51
  Speaker 12: You can't pay over the cracks. You've actually got to
• 18:53
  Speaker 12: face up to the fundamentals of fixing our energy grid,
• 18:57
  Speaker 12: making sure that you have an energy mix, you don't
• 18:59
  Speaker 12: put all your energy egg in my bask you don't
• 19:00
  Speaker 12: have concentration risk, and you do that by making the
• 19:04
  Speaker 12: strong leadership calls that the nationals and liberals are with
• 19:08
  Speaker 12: mixing our grid up by having not just coal moving
• 19:12
  Speaker 12: over to nuclear, but having gas and some renewables, but
• 19:14
  Speaker 12: renewables in the right place. And that's what we've said
• 19:16
  Speaker 12: will be the transition in the long term that'll give
• 19:20
  Speaker 12: us that stability, but address the fundamentals, and we've got
• 19:22
  Speaker 12: to start that now.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And that's why we've been.
• 19:24
  Speaker 12: Bold enough to start that conversation now and show the
• 19:27
  Speaker 12: leadership that I think this country is now looking for. Otherwise,
• 19:30
  Speaker 12: not only your energy bill's going to start, your food
• 19:32
  Speaker 12: bill's going to stay up, but so too is your
• 19:34
  Speaker 12: mortgage rate.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Well, we've taken me to my next topic because I
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: think one of the key fundamental issues that the federal
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: government can tackle inflation on is energy costs, and they're
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: doing the opposite. They're spending more money and pushing prices
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: ever upwards.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And as you say, that flows on to everything.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: So give us your take on the AEMO system plan
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: out today. They say their plan only costs one hundred
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and twenty two billion dollars to get to net zero.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: They're not factoring into that costing any of the projects.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Already floated or underway.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: So there's hundreds of billions of dollars of projects they're
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: not counting already, all the money already spent, all the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: money that private citizens are having to spend with batteries
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and solar panels and all the like. So, I mean,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: it's deceptive, deceptive use of the figures, isn't it. When
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: when can we get from this government a proper figure
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: for the transition to renewables so that we can compare
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it to your nuclear costs when you give it to us.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: But even from what we've seen from the CSIRO, I
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: would have thought your nuclear plan is going to come
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in under one hundred billion dollars.
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 12: Well, look, and this is where I think we've asked
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: not only the Prime Minister but Chris bowl in Parliament
• 20:41
  Speaker 12: this week about what are the costs, the actual genuine
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: costs of their all renewables approach that doesn't spread our risk.
• 20:49
  Speaker 12: We'll be upfront, we're going to that'll be the next
• 20:51
  Speaker 12: tranche of our announcement of what the costs are for
• 20:54
  Speaker 12: nuclear but we already have some of those numbers out
• 20:57
  Speaker 12: for what an all renewables approach, and that from that
• 21:00
  Speaker 12: zero Australia undertaken with the help of University of Queensland,
• 21:03
  Speaker 12: that's saying it's somewhere between one point two and one
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: point five trillion between now and twenty thirty, and then
• 21:09
  Speaker 12: by twenty sixty it's somewhere between seven and nine trillion dollars.
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: I can assure you that for the seven locations that
• 21:15
  Speaker 12: we're going to talk about will be a fraction of that,
• 21:18
  Speaker 12: and we'll be upfront we're not going to need the
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: twenty eight thousand kilometers of transmission lines.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: That much.
• 21:23
  Speaker 12: That hasn't been factored into it because they can't factor
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: it in their defense because much of these much of
• 21:29
  Speaker 12: these renewable projects haven't been settled because they're away from
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: existing transmission lines. But what we're saying is we want
• 21:36
  Speaker 12: to put nuclear power plants where existing transmission lines are.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: But well, just what they're also saying.
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: What they're also saying, I think is a really important
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: point is they want us to accelerate the renewables program.
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: Those seven communities where we've identified nuclear power plants, they've
• 21:50
  Speaker 12: actually said, we don't agree with you. Our future in
• 21:52
  Speaker 12: regional Australia isn't to be littered with transmission lines and
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: solar panels and wind turbines. They've actually those seven communities
• 21:59
  Speaker 12: have overwhelmed. We said, we want to be part of
• 22:01
  Speaker 12: that future and transition our coal fired power stations to
• 22:04
  Speaker 12: nuclear power plants so that we have not only jobs,
• 22:08
  Speaker 12: but we have a reliable energy grid and affordable energy
• 22:11
  Speaker 12: prices in the future. And if you look at what
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: the polling is showing, that's actually what they're actually supporting Yukulon,
• 22:17
  Speaker 12: not because they're going to get high paid jobs, but
• 22:19
  Speaker 12: because they're energy literate and they know this is good
• 22:22
  Speaker 12: for our country and it's better for regional Australia.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows with our voices, well, there's two things everybody knows.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: That is that we need affordable, reliable energy and they
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: can see what's happening now our energy systems is into
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: complete shambles. But to go to your costings, we had
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the CSIRO put out figures and they said, I think
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: sixteen billion for the first reactor and then maybe eight
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: billion for each one after that, So let's make it
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Let's be generous and make it twenty for the first
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: one and then ten billion for each of the others.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: That's only going to get you to eighty billion dollars?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Is that the sort of cost you're talking about less
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: than one hundred billion dollars, which, as you say, would
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: be a fraction of the costs of the renewables transition.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: We want to be upfront and clear.
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: It won't be just the first two. We want to
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: make sure that we're clear with the Australian people what
• 23:05
  Speaker 12: a proper energy mix should look like.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: If you look at countries like.
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: Japan, they're having around twenty to twenty five percent of
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: their grid will be nuclear with gas as well as
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: some renewables. That is the sort of mix that you
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: want to go down the track of. And we'll be
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: upfront not just about the first two, but about what
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: that overall upfront costs will be. But understand this, but
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: that upfront costs can be mortized over somewhere between eighty
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: and one hundred years. Not one of Labour's plan that
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: gets some more ties over fifteen to twenty years. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: they have to come back and redo it three or
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: four times and giving it to multinationals from overseas that
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: come in, clean up and do it all over again
• 23:40
  Speaker 12: and take their money back to the country in which
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: they came from. We're going to say to the Australian people,
• 23:45
  Speaker 12: this is a legacy, a legacy not just for them
• 23:48
  Speaker 12: today and their children, but for their grandchildren. That's how
• 23:50
  Speaker 12: far Peter Dutton and I want to look forward in
• 23:52
  Speaker 12: terms of giving them reliable energy and giving them confidence
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: and having that reliable energy at an affordable price.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Well, we await your costings sooner better we get to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: see them, but we also demand costings from the government
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: because the plan that they're already halfway down, we haven't
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: had any proper costings on that either. Thanks for joining us, David,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Nationals leader David Little Prowd joining us
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: live there from Canberra. Now, are going to take a
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: short break now and coming up, I'm going to talk
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: about how the Prime Minister's let a rogue senator get away.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: We're voting against their own government on the Middle East. Now,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the absolutely fundamental differences between the
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Labor Party and the Coalition parties is freedom of choice,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: personal choice. It flows through many policies, of course, but
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: it goes all the way to the party rules. Labor
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: MPs are bound to vote with their party if they
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: cross the floor. If they vote against their own party,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: they are typically expelled from the alp or at least suspended,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and they're branded a rat for their trouble. Now, we
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: showed you the breaking news last night of the Western
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Australian Labour Senator fat of A Pay Yemen, a Muslim,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: voting with the Greens and other radicals to support recognition
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: of the state of Israel the State of Palestine, Sorry,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: something that is against labor policy, of course, in which
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: the Labor government senators were voting against. Now, apart from
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: being an appalling decision by Senator Payment on the merits
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: of the actual issue, it was a clear thumbing of
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: a nose at party rules and an act of defiance
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: against Anthony Albanesi, a real test for his leadership, which
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: was taken up in question time today.
• 25:34
  Speaker 14: When the Prime Minister condemned the violent River to the Sea,
• 25:36
  Speaker 14: Chair Labour Senator Faedom of Payment publicly rebuked him and
• 25:41
  Speaker 14: repeated it yesterday. Senator Payment crossed the floor to support
• 25:45
  Speaker 14: the Green's hatefield campaign to ferment social divisions on Palestine,
• 25:49
  Speaker 14: apparently without consequences. Prime Minister Bob Hawk, when he was
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: leader of the Labour Party, suspended two members for such actions.
• 25:57
  Speaker 14: Every leader since him has stood up and show on
• 26:00
  Speaker 14: streak of leadership. Will the Prime Minister do the same?
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister talked about the issue for a while,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: took a long while to answer the question, but eventually
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: revealed that Senator.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Payment will not be expelled, will not even be suspended.
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: I met with Senator Payment earlier today.
• 26:18
  Speaker 15: She will not be attending.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: The Labor Caucus for the rest of this session, the.
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: Leader of the Opposition, Thanks for Speaker, what I do
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: as shared leadership for our united team.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Really, she'll skip the party meetings. There's only one left
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: for this session. Probably her choice anyway. I mean, I
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: guess all Labour MPs now will be free to voters
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: they choose in.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Parliament from now on.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Was it just the case that Anthony Albanezi couldn't risk
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: offending Muslim voters.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Let me bring in former Labor Front bencher Michael Danby. Michael,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: We'll come to the actual foreign policy issue in a moment.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: But first up, Albert Easy has just shown weakness, hasn't
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: he as a leader by not doing anything, not really
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: offering any sanction against his own senator for crossing the floor.
• 27:17
  Speaker 15: In a previous zeitgeist, Chris. In the Labor Party, the
• 27:21
  Speaker 15: national executive who were meeting later this week would have
• 27:26
  Speaker 15: expelled senator payment, or as Peter Dutton pointed out that
• 27:30
  Speaker 15: the two senators more than twenty five years ago were
• 27:32
  Speaker 15: suspended by the Labor corpus, this won't happen. A senator
• 27:36
  Speaker 15: payment is clearly a diversity pick. She's young Muslim, just
• 27:42
  Speaker 15: as you pointed out, and they won't want to offend
• 27:45
  Speaker 15: the current correlation of forces inside the Labor Party.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: She's a bit of a fluke, Chris.
• 27:52
  Speaker 15: She got elected as the number third person on the
• 27:55
  Speaker 15: ticket in West Australia Labor, winning three of the six,
• 27:58
  Speaker 15: and I suspect her friends and the socialist left won't
• 28:01
  Speaker 15: be so kind to and bump her up the tickets
• 28:04
  Speaker 15: next time. So I think this might be the term
• 28:07
  Speaker 15: of senator payment.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Let me show you also what the Deputy Prime Minister said,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: because often the Deputy leader is said as the enforcer
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: of discipline and party rules.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: He is Richard Miles.
• 28:19
  Speaker 16: We want to walk down a path of bringing Australians together,
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: and to be at this moment suggesting that we're going
• 28:27
  Speaker 16: to expel people for a particular view would be doing
• 28:31
  Speaker 16: precisely the opposite. And ultimately, fatam a Payment is a
• 28:35
  Speaker 16: person who's making a real contribution in the Senate on
• 28:38
  Speaker 16: behalf of the Australian Labor Party. She wants to continue
• 28:41
  Speaker 16: to do that and she will.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So instead of disciplining her, they actually make excuses
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: for her.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Now, you're a Jewish, you were a Jewish MP. You're
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a Jewish man, Michael.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: But there are Jewish Labor MPs in the Parliament as
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: we speak. How do you reckon they would go if
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: they voted against labor on the Palestine?
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: You in parliament.
• 29:02
  Speaker 15: Well, that's the danger of identity politics in being so
• 29:06
  Speaker 15: important and including in this case, because you don't want
• 29:10
  Speaker 15: to feel like you've got special treatment because you're from
• 29:13
  Speaker 15: some minority. You want to be judged, as Martin Luther
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: King said, by the content of your character, not the
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: background that you come from. And I can't understand Senator
• 29:25
  Speaker 15: Payment her family fled the terrible regime in Afghanistan, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 15: here she is in Australia dying on a hill to
• 29:35
  Speaker 15: support the brutes in Hamas who had control of Gaza
• 29:42
  Speaker 15: and who committed all of those brutalities on October seventh.
• 29:46
  Speaker 15: It seems not an issue that I would adulate anyone on.
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: But as I say, you've correctly noted the change in
• 29:54
  Speaker 15: the atmosphere and the zeitgeist over these issues, and someone
• 29:59
  Speaker 15: who's a diversity pick, who's a Muslim origin, nothing will
• 30:04
  Speaker 15: happen to them, despite the fact it would have against
• 30:06
  Speaker 15: every other person. And as a traditional labor person, I
• 30:10
  Speaker 15: would argue should maybe not expulsion, but certainly suspension.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now it comes to this issue of why Muslims
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: around the world support the Palestinian cause.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Obviously there's the.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Warmar I think is the term this brotherhood of Muslims
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: around the world where they'll support each other. That's something
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: for people to make in their political arguments. But you
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: make the very powerful point that Senator Payment came from
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: an Islamist extremist regime where women were discriminated against, where
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: there was violence and bloodshed.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: She came here as a.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Refugee so the last thing you'd think you'd support is
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: an evil Islamist extremist regime like the Hummas one that's
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: now been overthrown in Gaza.
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: Where they throw LGBTQ people off room tubes, where hundreds
• 31:02
  Speaker 15: of women are killed in honor killings, where the rape
• 31:07
  Speaker 15: of Israeli women, the sexual violence was documented by the UN.
• 31:12
  Speaker 15: And this is something that the zeitgeist is soft on,
• 31:18
  Speaker 15: you know, So Elbows, as you amusingly pointed out as
• 31:23
  Speaker 15: not having a turn up to one more meeting, but
• 31:25
  Speaker 15: disappointed by Richard Miles. But then again, I am generally
• 31:29
  Speaker 15: with his week stance on defense and defense forcurement and
• 31:36
  Speaker 15: energy issues that you've spoken about many times. But that's
• 31:41
  Speaker 15: the Labor Party. It's changed in the days of bobul
• 31:43
  Speaker 15: Kim Beasley, Paul Keating, and it's a dominated by the
• 31:49
  Speaker 15: socialist Left and anything that suits them are the events
• 31:54
  Speaker 15: that dominates the Labor Party. She was selected by the
• 31:57
  Speaker 15: Socialist Left in West Australia. Not expect to get elected.
• 32:01
  Speaker 15: She fluted it as the number three. She's being given
• 32:05
  Speaker 15: special treatment now and the only long term outcome of this,
• 32:12
  Speaker 15: as I suspect she won't be bumped up the ticket
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: and Labor may not get the third position at the
• 32:16
  Speaker 15: next Senate election in West Australia.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Michael Danby, thanks so much for joining us with your analysis.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Their former Labor front mentioned Michael Danby joining us from Melbourne.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that Labor
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: MPs should be allowed the freedom to cross the floor
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: if they disagree on an issue, but they normally aren't
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: and I'm tipping they won't be allowed to on other issues.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: This is a special exemption on the grounds we've just discussed,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and it shows that Anthony Albernezi isn't strong enough to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: deal with it. Now we're going to get to a
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: break on the other side of it. Canberra awaits Julian
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Osange's return to Australian soil and also the Attorney General
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: urge to list an Islamist group as a terror organization.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: We're hoping cross to Canberra soon where people are getting
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: ready for the arrival of Julian Assanz. We'll see if
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: we can get back there in the rest of the program.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: But I want to go back now to the issue
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: of pro Palestinian and anti Israeli activism and protests and
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: the anti Semitism that comes with it. Sydney University has
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: caved into months of activism by protesters who have chanted
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: into Fada and from the river to the sea.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: The union encampment has.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Received outside support from radical socialist organizations and the hardline
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Islamist organization. His Bookteria, a group banned in some Muslim
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: countries and just banned as a terror group in the UK.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: The Coalition keeps pushing Labor to list his book Toier
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: as a terrorist organization, but so far their pleas have
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: fallen on deaf ears. Let me bring in liberal MP
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Julian Lisa. Thanks for joining us, Julian. What evidence is
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: there to link his Bookteria who are openly Islamist, but
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: so they sort of support the aims of other radical
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: groups that want to see in Islamic caliphate across the world.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: But they say that they reject violent means.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Is there any.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Evidence to suggest they do support violent means in Australia.
• 34:13
  Speaker 17: Well, it was his book to Rea that organized protests
• 34:16
  Speaker 17: here that praised the work of the seventh of October
• 34:21
  Speaker 17: Terrorist Act and praise to us. And they did that
• 34:24
  Speaker 17: in this country and they've done it around the world,
• 34:27
  Speaker 17: and it was that praise that caused the British to
• 34:30
  Speaker 17: list his book to Era as a terrorist organization because
• 34:35
  Speaker 17: under their listing regime, which is very similar to our
• 34:38
  Speaker 17: own listing regime, praise of a violent terrorist act that
• 34:42
  Speaker 17: might cause the commission of a violent terrorist act in
• 34:45
  Speaker 17: this country is a reason to list the organization. I
• 34:48
  Speaker 17: think when Britain lists terrorist organizations, we in Australia should
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: pay very close attention. I sat on the Joint Committee
• 34:55
  Speaker 17: on Intelligence and Security for six years. When Britain listed Hisbilla,
• 35:00
  Speaker 17: its entirety and humus, we on the Australian Committee took
• 35:04
  Speaker 17: close note of that and it was a factor that
• 35:05
  Speaker 17: we considered in relation to the listing of those organizations.
• 35:10
  Speaker 17: I think the fact Britain has listed his boot Career
• 35:12
  Speaker 17: is a reason to list it. It's just extraordinary, as
• 35:15
  Speaker 17: you say, Chris, that this organization, it is an organization
• 35:19
  Speaker 17: that's listed, as you say, not just in Britain, but
• 35:21
  Speaker 17: in Germany and in many Muslim countries, is now having
• 35:25
  Speaker 17: an outsized influence over Sydney University. Effectively, as a result
• 35:29
  Speaker 17: of the deal that Sydney University did with them, a
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: complete capitulation where they said we will let you run
• 35:36
  Speaker 17: the ruler over any of our defense contracts and any
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: of the defense investments and research.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: To think about where Australia is.
• 35:43
  Speaker 17: At at the moment, Aucus is the biggest game in town.
• 35:46
  Speaker 17: We want our best and brightest minds dealing with this.
• 35:49
  Speaker 17: Sydney un is effectively dealing themselves out of having anything
• 35:52
  Speaker 17: to do with August.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: This is the reason, Chris.
• 35:54
  Speaker 17: While I've been putting up repeatedly my bill for a
• 35:58
  Speaker 17: judicial inquiry into anti Semitism on campus, every day we
• 36:02
  Speaker 17: are hearing new and more disturbing revelations coming from the
• 36:05
  Speaker 17: education sector, and I'm getting more and more university administrators
• 36:08
  Speaker 17: and academics contacting me and telling me I'm on the
• 36:11
  Speaker 17: right path. It's time for the government to act and
• 36:14
  Speaker 17: take this issue seriously instead of voting down my bill
• 36:17
  Speaker 17: each and every week.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: So many strong points there, Julians, so many of you
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: are worth picking up on.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: For instance, I think.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: This idea that that hates speech, that celebration of the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: slaughter of Israeli citizens does amount to hate speech. And
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: we know that some of the people who are doing that,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: some of the ships doing that, have links to his
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: book to rear. So the fact that our authorities haven't
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: tried to prosecute people for hate speech and haven't looked
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: at this organization does confound me. And also you make
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the very strong point about our intelligence relationships. We're in
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the Five Eyes intelligence relationship as well as our normal
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: defense alliances. But it means that when Canada, the USA,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the UK and even New Zealand, when those countries are
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: looking at groups as terror organizations, we ought, to our rule,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: ought to be working in unison with them, rather than
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: to have a different interpretation. And that's why if this
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: is a terror group in UK eyes, we ought to
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: be looking at this organization very very carefully here, if
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: for no other reason, then we want to supply the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: UK with adequate intelligence.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Well, that's right, Chris. I think we should always make.
• 37:26
  Speaker 17: Our own decisions based on our own laws, but we
• 37:29
  Speaker 17: should pay very close attention to what the Five Eyes
• 37:31
  Speaker 17: countries do. On another issue, in relation to the list
• 37:35
  Speaker 17: of terror organizations, Canada recently listed the IRGC, the Iranian
• 37:40
  Speaker 17: Secret Police, and we've been calling as the coalition for
• 37:44
  Speaker 17: the government to consider the listing of that organization here. Again,
• 37:48
  Speaker 17: that's another occasion where I want to see the government
• 37:51
  Speaker 17: take strong action. But again and again we see weakness
• 37:54
  Speaker 17: from this government. We see no direction from them to
• 37:57
  Speaker 17: our security agencies or our authorities, law enforcement authorities to
• 38:01
  Speaker 17: take the issue of the growth of anti Semitism and
• 38:04
  Speaker 17: these terrorist organizations seriously.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic points there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Let's hope you get some answers out of Sydney University too,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: where Mark Scott needs to be called to account, needs
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: to answer some questions on this. I appreciate your time
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: at Julian Jullian Lisa there, Liberal MP. He's pushing for
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that Royal commission into what's been going on with these
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: protests at the universities. That might be the only way
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: to get the right answers and the right action from
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: places like Sydney University. Don't go away because after the
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: break we've got the Wednesday Wrangle. Liz Storer joins us
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: also Scott News regular d Nika de Georgio. Also we'll
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: talk about Julian Lossange's return to Australia.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: It's just hours away and how much.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Now there's big news when it comes to the Wednesday Wrangle.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: This week our regular guests from Melbourne, Justin Smith is
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: not with us.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I hear a little whisper. It's because he's filling in as.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: A radio host on the ABC for a couple of weeks.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: How about that says everything about the ABC. We have
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: him on here as.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: A token lefty and he gets filling in at the
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: a VC.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Now, good on you, justin. I hope you're going well.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: But in his stead we have sky News posts Danika
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: de Giorgio filling in. Great to see you, Danika, and
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: of course Liz Storer fired up and ready to go.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: We've got to start on Julian Assange. And what I
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: love about is we've.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Got the two bird give me guy. People have heard
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the last two nights.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Why I say he's no hero or Saint Liz give
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: us a I was tuned.
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: Into your editorial.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: I missed it, so I want a full list of
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: why you hate the guy so I can debund.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Look glad he's free.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: He's been in captivity or been locked the way long enough,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: long enough, But I the only reason he was locked
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: up in the Ecuadorian embassy is because he wouldn't go
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: on face up to sexual assault allegations in Sweden.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And the only reason he's been in jail in Britain
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: is because he.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Refuses to face up to his charges on US soil.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: It was his choice both times for starters.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: He was in the Ecuadorian embassy seeking asylum because he
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: knew that the CIA were planning to off him. Now
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: that is a very well known thing to charge charges
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: for his Trump administration. These are reports from the top
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: CIA officials who have now resigned. They report that they
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: were asked by the Trump administration.
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: Secretary of State was Mike Pompeo.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: He was asked for options to off the guy, which
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: the guy.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: They tried the extra guid I'll get out of here.
• 40:35
  Speaker 10: I'm being dead serious.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: The Guardian covered this as well as others.
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: You can't just it happens.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Formed charges they charged in me. He fought his own
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: extradition and stayed in jail.
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry what he.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Fought his extradition, which is why he stayed in jail to.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Be straighted to a country that is currently using their
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: own judicial system to impale a presidential candidate. You have
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: seen how he was on his work, and I told
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: you their intelligence agency was planning to kill the on.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: This because he was on American soil. Today and they
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: didn't grab him, they let him go free.
• 41:15
  Speaker 18: I had to say, this gushing over Julian Assange is sickening.
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: There's rushing, there is stam there can't be single thing.
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: I'm out to be a hero to the hero. He
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: is not a hero. He is a master more than
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: a glorified hacker who.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Ran okay again, very well, there was no hacking involved,
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: and confidentially clearly don't you know I'm you don't learn
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: the fact he's a hacker.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: He's a hacker, he used to be a hacker.
• 41:45
  Speaker 18: Involve leading, leading, there was no hacking involved, release, there
• 41:50
  Speaker 18: was zero hacker involved.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: He's a hacker. No one's saying.
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: That's not her point, no one, No I.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Said dumping that stuff out was hacking. But he is
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: a hacker. That's how she's claimed to fame. He stru had.
• 42:00
  Speaker 18: Nothing to do with this lead contempt in that whole time,
• 42:05
  Speaker 18: total contempt for journalism, the freedom of the press. He
• 42:08
  Speaker 18: made a mockery of the entire system and disrespect not
• 42:13
  Speaker 18: a journalist.
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: He did a job of the press. Journalists.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: He did the job of the press, and that is
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: uncovering in the highest level.
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: The job of the press.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: They failed at it, which is why he started wikilits.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: He never uncovered any correct, nobody has gone to Nobody
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: has been persecuted whatsoever for the war crimes that he uncovered.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: But according to Clinton's own email, while she was Secretary
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: of State, she said that it was the Saudi Arabians
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: and the Kataris who were funding ISIS. At the same
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: time flooding in from Katari from Saudi Arabia.
• 42:59
  Speaker 10: Funded the Clinton Foundation.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: At the same time that while she was Secretary of State,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: she inked the biggest weapons deal in the world, which.
• 43:09
  Speaker 10: Was this is It's not bou eighty billion dollars.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: It's not a cop Hang on a second, hang on,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: it's not breaking us to anyone that the Saudi's fund
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: is lost terrorism around the world.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: That's that's been going on started Saudi. Just just this.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Bring it up to date as of today, Juliana Sange
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: has pleaded guilty correct to acquiring and publishing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: He had hard problems.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: So you say he had lied, you're saying he lied
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: when he pleaded guilty.
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: He did what he had to.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: So even his own guilty plea, anyone.
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: In his position would have done the same.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: He had serious heart Roland, he would not have survived as.
• 43:51
  Speaker 18: A journalist as you're claiming here. He had the information
• 43:54
  Speaker 18: in front of him, he should have sorted out what
• 43:56
  Speaker 18: is in the public interest and what is not in
• 43:58
  Speaker 18: the public interest.
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: That is the wrong. To this day, nobody any harm
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: that name from.
• 44:07
  Speaker 18: He put it all out into the open.
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: He was not your point.
• 44:10
  Speaker 18: It is moves because no one everyone the hero is
• 44:16
  Speaker 18: not a hero.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: No harm came from his leak, and even the second
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: wrong correct, no one has been harmed. Okay, tell me
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: what harm came from I'll.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Tell you that lives are lost.
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: That is, lives lost due to that lead.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: There's a loss.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, name their names, mountains, exposed sources and people who
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: cooperated with the US and their allies like astral places
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: like that. There is no proof that anyone wants due
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: to the lead.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: No one's ever going to put proof that unless.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: You have the roof.
• 44:59
  Speaker 10: He's just saying it was probably bad. Good one.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I think all confidential intelligence is not revealed, and that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Sounds just done. The lot out there, I think you'll
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: find it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Very amusing that the only reason Assange is now free
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: is because a lot of confidential negotiations between governments. That
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: was all through the diplomatic cables kept secret to help
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: him out.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Why didn't they leak that.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: PA wants to argue that someone who is exposing government corruption.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Go to America and stand in the box and make
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: your case.
• 45:37
  Speaker 10: He went into hiding.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Would you go to America if you knew the CIA?
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: But this is the I'm actually shocked that this is.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: The first time. I'm shocked. I'm shocked at you saying
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: we're innocent.
• 45:53
  Speaker 18: I am prepared to stand in the box and tell
• 45:57
  Speaker 18: my side of the story.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: Not when you How can either of you say that
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: when you can see what's happening to Trump day in
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: day out.
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: Do you think that people get it?
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: He's going to be the judicial system I've got nonsense.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I think it is nonsense, and I think he should
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: have just fronted up to his charges.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: He did that today, guilty an a fair go I'm
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: sure why he didn't just.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Rock up America too lot.
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: He's got more planning to kill him.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: And while the judicial system is so shown themselves to
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: be complete.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: He got what sort of a fair deal did he
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: get today?
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: He was on American soil today before an American court,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: and he got he pleaded guilty, and he was given
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: a cozy little sentence that means he can walk free.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: And you're saying, this is the same mob sassinate.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: They can't prosecute him without looking up against.
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: What's called the New York Times problem.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: Because every mainstream media outlet in the world has at
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: one point or another published confidential information.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Indeed publishing you know about it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: So they knew they knew the entire high time. They
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: couldn't actually get him, otherwise.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: They would have Okay, let's move on to one other topic.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: We've got time for it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just squeezing in because I gotta have
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: a chat about this. It's a slight change of pace,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: but it goes to what our preschool kids are being taught.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: There's a schooling the inner North of Melbourne, I think
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it is. It's normally where these things happen. And they're
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: not singing the national anthem of Australia. They're singing the
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: same tune, but new words that have been cooked up
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: by Judith Durham and another indigenous artist whose name escapes me.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: And anyway, le's have to listen to their version of
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the national anthem.
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: Aholigiously to Spa dunsher.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: And nonery by.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Judith Durham, I've Seeker's Faine and Coutcha Edwards, the
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: indigenous artists who came up with those lyrics, and saying that,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: along with Juditham, we're going to honor the dreaming. Now,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I thought the idea is to take religion out of anthems.
• 48:07
  Speaker 18: I mean, this is ridiculous. Let's be very clear here, Chris.
• 48:10
  Speaker 18: There's only one national anthem. There is no alternative anthem.
• 48:13
  Speaker 18: We've got athletes going to Paris next month. When they
• 48:17
  Speaker 18: stand on the podium when they win their medals, do
• 48:19
  Speaker 18: you think that they're going to be singing the alternative
• 48:22
  Speaker 18: national anthem? No, no, no, They're going to be singing
• 48:25
  Speaker 18: our national anthem with pride. This is yet another example
• 48:28
  Speaker 18: of indoctrination of children. We've seen it, we've seen it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 18: They're apologizing to the stolen generation. They've been welcomed to
• 48:35
  Speaker 18: country every time they move into classrooms. Enough is enough.
• 48:39
  Speaker 18: Let children be kids and stop this nonsense.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I'm betting you agree with that, Lizwith just about out
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: of time.
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: It shouldn't even be against the law.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: I would suggest you have such a bastardized version, this diluted, ridiculous,
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: rewritten anthem. It shouldn't even be allowed. Must make the
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: turning of the flag. Some things are sacred, Leave them alone.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Win a gold at the Olympics and make up your
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: own version of the national anthemces.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: The country we're turning in to. Thanks for wrangling with us,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Tanika and Lizen. There was a bit of wrangling in
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: it tonight. I'll see you tomorrow night. Here's Peter Kredlin.