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Moments After Finding Her Roommates Brutally Executed · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: I don't care what you did. I'm sorry about what
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: Just come home, please.
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  Speaker 3: Just please.
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  Speaker 4: This is Joseph Paul the Wise, and his deteriorating relationship
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  Speaker 4: with his wife Lauren is slowly ruining his life.
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  Speaker 5: I'm driving and I'm crying. I don't work without you.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I will do better, I promised.
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  Speaker 4: Over the years, Lauren had lost her feelings for Paul,
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  Speaker 4: but Paul's love for her had only grown stronger. And
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  Speaker 4: to cope with slowly losing the love of his life,
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  Speaker 4: Paul turned to drinking, sending his mental state into a
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  Speaker 4: downward spiral. His love for Lauren would turn into.
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  Speaker 6: All sudden, You're like, oh, I'm just saying it's a
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  Speaker 6: victim now. Why don't you attack me in front of
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  Speaker 6: the camera.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you talk to me like you did.
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  Speaker 6: A minute ago? And that's what this is about. And
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  Speaker 6: I'm angry and it's hard for me to live with.
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  Speaker 4: Paul could only bear the pain for so long. His
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  Speaker 4: complex emotions turned into obsession, leading him to stalk Lauren,
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  Speaker 4: where he soon discovered she was going on dates with
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  Speaker 4: other men.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually, enough was enough.
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  Speaker 6: Good night, Lauren, I hope you sleep well.
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  Speaker 4: On the night of January seventh, twenty eighteen, Lauren de
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  Speaker 4: Wise would be found dead in her bedroom and was
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  Speaker 4: confirmed that Paul was responsible.
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  Speaker 7: I live at thirteen oh eight as the next her
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  Speaker 7: neighbor she just came over in Sparks says somebody shot
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  Speaker 7: her roommate.
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  Speaker 4: Well makes this case specifically so interesting is that Paul
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  Speaker 4: recorded his entire mental downfall, from the start of his
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  Speaker 4: issues with Lauren all the way to the tragic end.
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  Speaker 4: For the past six months, I've worked with a handful
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  Speaker 4: of police stations, district attorneys, and news networks to gather
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  Speaker 4: the entire recorded life of Joseph Paul Duise. This is
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  Speaker 4: his full story. This was a letter to Lauren written
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  Speaker 4: by Paul on July twenty fourth, twenty seventeen. It indicates
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  Speaker 4: the first real sign of Paul and Lawrence relationship problems,
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  Speaker 4: but also Paul's dark tendency of self hatred.
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  Speaker 8: I have no excuse for what happened last night.
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  Speaker 9: I am a very bad person for you right now.
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  Speaker 8: I hate myself. I do not deserve you. I have
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  Speaker 8: no reason to be loved by you. Are the kids
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  Speaker 8: I ruin everything. You deserve someone way better.
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  Speaker 4: Than me, Paul wrote this letter just hours after a
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  Speaker 4: heated argument with Lauren, where he lost his temper and
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  Speaker 4: screamed at her, all in front of their three children.
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  Speaker 4: This was likely one of many arguments that took place
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  Speaker 4: in the home, because after this incident, Lauren would leave
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  Speaker 4: their home stating I'll only return for the kids. Looking
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  Speaker 4: at the letter, it's clear that Paul felt immense guilt
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  Speaker 4: for screaming in front of his children, perhaps even more
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  Speaker 4: than most would, and there's a very good reason for that.
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  Speaker 4: In his journal, Paul would often write about growing up
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  Speaker 4: in an abusive household. In one entry, he described walking
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  Speaker 4: in on his father screaming and choking his mother, her
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  Speaker 4: face turning purple from the strangulation. Perhaps Paul felt he
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  Speaker 4: had followed in his father's footsteps by becoming aggressive towards
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  Speaker 4: Lauren in front of their children, something that likely embarrassed him.
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  Speaker 4: But instead of apologize for his outburst, he chose a
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  Speaker 4: different path. He would begin manipulating his children, convincing them
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  Speaker 4: that he had done nothing wrong, even going as far
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  Speaker 4: as recording these statements to show Lauren later on.
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  Speaker 9: How do you feel about what happened, Lauren? I'm angry
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  Speaker 9: and sad. And I know I'm upset.
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  Speaker 10: I'm mad.
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  Speaker 6: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: It's overwhelming.
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  Speaker 11: The only damage that I feel that has been done
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  Speaker 11: by is honestly Lauren.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, everything was.
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  Speaker 9: Fine until she decided that she wanted to do what
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  Speaker 9: she did.
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  Speaker 1: Was that my fault?
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  Speaker 6: Was that A bad husband to Lauren?
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  Speaker 13: No?
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  Speaker 6: Are you glad? It's just going to be me, you,
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  Speaker 6: Jill and Emma?
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  Speaker 10: Now why.
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  Speaker 14: Now?
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  Speaker 15: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Lauren had moved out of the house, and Paul's attempts
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  Speaker 4: at manipulation only pushed her further away. In turn, his
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  Speaker 4: abandonment issues worsened, spiraling into paranoia over the thought of
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  Speaker 4: Lauren falling in love with someone else. There are numerous
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  Speaker 4: examples of Paul's paranoia, but certain examples are particularly notable.
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  Speaker 4: One thing Paul would consistently do over these years was
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  Speaker 4: send relentless barrages of text messages. They would usually start
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  Speaker 4: out in a calm, collected way.
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  Speaker 16: I respected you, and so did the community. Now you
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  Speaker 16: are someone else. You aren't building love in the family anymore,
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  Speaker 16: mostly in security and frustration and sadness.
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  Speaker 4: But would quickly spiral into unintelligible rants of self hatred
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  Speaker 4: and aggressive accusations.
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  Speaker 9: Now I am depressed again.
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  Speaker 8: How can you not care? How can you make me
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  Speaker 8: deal with this by myself?
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  Speaker 16: Why won't you save us? I'm sick again and my
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  Speaker 16: counselor had to cancel a pathetic piece of crap. Now
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  Speaker 16: I am completely alone. My life is ruined, my money
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  Speaker 16: is gone, my body is broken. My wife doesn't care
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  Speaker 16: about me except to hurt me. You are abusive, you
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  Speaker 16: you I am crazy?
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  Speaker 4: Now, great job, always ending with some type of accusatory comment,
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  Speaker 4: likely to make Lauren feel guilt over not being there
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  Speaker 4: for him. Another thing he would regularly do was contact
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  Speaker 4: people in Lauren's life. One notable example would be towards
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  Speaker 4: Lauren's female coworker, who Paul suspected to be bisexual.
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  Speaker 16: I would appreciate it if you would stay away from
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  Speaker 16: my wife. You are not a good influence for her,
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  Speaker 16: and she is acting like a single woman. I don't
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  Speaker 16: not trust you, as I reached out to you and
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  Speaker 16: you ignored me. My wife needs family oriented friends, not
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  Speaker 16: friends that married people and aren't friends enough to help
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  Speaker 16: in crisis falls.
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  Speaker 4: Messages to Lauren and her friends continued for months, growing
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  Speaker 4: increasingly emotional over time, and would rarely respond. Reading his diaries.
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  Speaker 4: It's clear this deeply upset Paul. He felt like he
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  Speaker 4: was losing the woman he loved. Desperate for a reaction,
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  Speaker 4: he soon turned to sending her videos instead, hoping that
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  Speaker 4: would finally grab her attention.
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  Speaker 6: I don't care what you did.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry about what I did. Just please come home.
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  Speaker 17: I don't want to, I don't want to restreats permanentself
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  Speaker 17: and I love you.
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  Speaker 12: Please, just fucking please, please. I'll work two jobs, I'll
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  Speaker 12: do anything. I won't be here, I'll be working all
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  Speaker 12: the time.
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  Speaker 1: Just come home. Please, please come home.
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  Speaker 12: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry, I have a new perspective now.
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  Speaker 4: Paul's emotional swings indicate a deep fear of abandonment, likely
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  Speaker 4: stemming from his childhood with Lauren. He was angry and controlling.
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  Speaker 4: Without her, he was desperate and self pitying. When she responded,
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  Speaker 4: it would briefly ease his distress, but unfortunately for Paul,
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  Speaker 4: Lauren would stop responding altogether. On November fourteenth, Paul's worst
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  Speaker 4: fears of abandonment would come true. He would discover clues
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  Speaker 4: that Lauren had started going out again, and later that
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  Speaker 4: same week, he signed up for VCNC GPS tracking services
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  Speaker 4: and registered her phone to the system. Paul would start
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  Speaker 4: stalking her. He would take pictures of Lauren and the
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  Speaker 4: various bars she would go to and store them away
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  Speaker 4: to confront her with later. But on November fourteenth, things
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  Speaker 4: took a dark turn when, while stalking her, Paul discovered
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  Speaker 4: Lauren in her car with a co worker named Kevin
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  Speaker 4: making out. It seemed to confirm his deep fear of
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  Speaker 4: being abandoned as he stood there watching it all unfold.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin would eventually leave the vehicle, allowing Paul to rush
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  Speaker 4: in and let Lauren know he saw everything that just happened.
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  Speaker 4: He'd pull out his phone to record, but would only
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  Speaker 4: capture a few seconds.
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  Speaker 18: It was an accident.
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  Speaker 15: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Paul would go on to take Lauren's phone, texting Kevin
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  Speaker 4: an array of angry messages. However, eventually Lauren would escape
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  Speaker 4: the situation. Approximately twenty two hours after this had taken place,
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  Speaker 4: Paul would find Lauren with a different man, Brian. The
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  Speaker 4: two were simply coworkers, but Paul wasn't going to take
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  Speaker 4: any chances, so again he would go up to the car,
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  Speaker 4: this time confronting the man instead of Lauren. This man
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  Speaker 4: had absolutely no intimate relationship with Lauren, so he retaliated
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  Speaker 4: against these claims, even punching Paul in the face.
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  Speaker 19: Here's it, there's another good looking man.
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  Speaker 4: Paul was furious. However, instead of begging Lauren to get
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  Speaker 4: back together, he would ask her to grab her final
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  Speaker 4: belongings from the house and never come back. This was
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  Speaker 4: a sharp distinction from the previous weeks and even months.
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  Speaker 4: It seemed like Paul's ongoing desperation for Lauren had bizarrely
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  Speaker 4: turned into hatred. Lauren would oblige and go on to
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  Speaker 4: take her items from the house, but Paul wouldn't stop there.
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  Speaker 4: The next morning, he would take to Facebook, making a
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  Speaker 4: public post stating.
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  Speaker 8: Does anyone in Bozeman not kissed my wife? Last night?
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  Speaker 8: I caught Lauren making out with this man in her
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  Speaker 8: car outside of a bar. She is the best liar
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  Speaker 8: I have ever known.
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  Speaker 4: Paul had turned to retaliation, and his video recordings made
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  Speaker 4: that clear.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I've been drinking, I'm having beer, but I'm not wasted.
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  Speaker 6: I'm very upset. I pulled the shit for years. I
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  Speaker 6: didn't realize it because I was blind, And that's what
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  Speaker 6: this is about. And I'm angry and my children angry.
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  Speaker 6: My baby's angry, and it's hard for me to live with.
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  Speaker 6: It's very difficult. It's all about shutting you down. But
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  Speaker 6: in Bozeman there's all these young thirty somethings with tons
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  Speaker 6: of money that Lauren's chasing. She loves that, and she's
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  Speaker 6: going to step up from me and our family and
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  Speaker 6: get ahead. I'm angry. I don't want her to keep
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  Speaker 6: her job. I would like to protect the community from her.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure I will be an outcast now, because you
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  Speaker 6: know who tells the truth anymore, right.
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  Speaker 4: Paul continued to bombard Lauren with texts, stalk her, and
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  Speaker 4: most of all, fuel his chronic alcoholism, which only worsened
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  Speaker 4: his anger issues, at one point even telling Lauren's friend
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  Speaker 4: at a local bar quote, I've killed people before, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm not afraid to do it again. The final straw
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  Speaker 4: in Paul's downward spiral came in an incident completely unrelated
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  Speaker 4: to Lauren. While out walking with his daughter, Paul would
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  Speaker 4: begin threatening a homeowner whose dogs were barking at him
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  Speaker 4: from behind a fence. When the man confronted him and enraged,
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  Speaker 4: Paul pulled out a pocket knife and stabbed him in
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  Speaker 4: the hip and Paul would record the entire event.
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  Speaker 1: We just got attacked by these people's dogs. This is
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  Speaker 1: my baby. Baby.
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  Speaker 17: Did you think that dog was gonna get you? I
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  Speaker 17: did too, and then this man tell me the dog
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  Speaker 17: after this woman.
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  Speaker 1: Baby. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 17: I withdrew my life my knife to find myself against
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  Speaker 17: this man who took me down with a single leg
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  Speaker 17: takedown as the last resort, and my back is on
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  Speaker 17: the floor. I struck up with the knife. I struck
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  Speaker 17: the man. They pulled the dog away. Now the dog's gone.
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  Speaker 1: You okay, baby, I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 17: You still here and antagon and see still still the
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  Speaker 17: aggression with my baby.
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  Speaker 1: Look at what you're doing.
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  Speaker 17: I'm blocking my baby from this woman. This is the
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  Speaker 17: aggressions people have. They threatened us when we tried to
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  Speaker 17: walk by. Let's get out of here. Are you crazy
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  Speaker 17: or what?
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  Speaker 2: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: You guys are gonna be out of here. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: glad you've been uncovered for what you are. You better
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  Speaker 1: chill the fuck out, that's sure. I should you.
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  Speaker 17: Kick mean, I'd put you on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. You can figure out what's going on. Hey, baby,
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  Speaker 1: that's right, don't run away.
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  Speaker 12: I don't right me. Fucking cot God.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck Cope, I dropped it. Get on the ground. No,
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  Speaker 1: do not.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Hold it's okay, hand me out your back.
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  Speaker 15: You're not made o.
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  Speaker 4: Luckily for Paul, the homeowner had technically put his hands
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  Speaker 4: on him first, so the stabbing was considered self defense,
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  Speaker 4: and while he would walk away with no charges, this
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  Speaker 4: event would signify that Paul was not afraid of violence,
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  Speaker 4: and in fact, seemed to endorse it. On January sixth,
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  Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, at eleven fifty six am, Paul would text
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  Speaker 4: Lauren inviting her over for soup. Lauren would never reply.
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  Speaker 4: At three thirty six pm, Paul would text Lauren asking
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  Speaker 4: if they were still meeting for tomorrow. Lauren would reply,
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  Speaker 4: what for? I'd like to pick up my daughter and
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  Speaker 4: spend time with her. This seemed to upset Paul, so
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  Speaker 4: he would go on his by this point usual ranch
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  Speaker 4: to Lauren, sending messages such as I beg you, please
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  Speaker 4: don't destroy us, I love you, and we'll do whatever
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  Speaker 4: it takes. Hours later, at ten fifty eight pm, Lauren
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  Speaker 4: would reply no, thank you. A two hour gap would
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  Speaker 4: proceed with no text messages between the two. However, Paul
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  Speaker 4: was completing other tasks during this time. First, Paul can
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  Speaker 4: be seen on CCTV at the Town Pump gas station
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  Speaker 4: at twelve thirty four am. Additionally, Paul would take a
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  Speaker 4: photo from his phone minutes after well Blurry. This photo
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  Speaker 4: shows Lauren's current home in the distance, as well as
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  Speaker 4: a GPS tracking device inside the vehicle. Following this photo,
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  Speaker 4: Paul would send a final text message saying I know
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  Speaker 4: I'm not supposed to text you now, but I can't sleep.
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  Speaker 4: Please please please come home. I miss you and love
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  Speaker 4: you so much. Please I love you, we all do.
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  Speaker 4: Please just come home.
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  Speaker 10: Please, I don't want Let's the address of your emergency Idaho,
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  Speaker 10: straight pill Grace.
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  Speaker 3: It's the next to her neighbor.
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  Speaker 10: She just came over and Serrickson says, somebody shot her roommate.
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  Speaker 10: Shouldn't that happened? Yeah, she said, it just happened. She
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  Speaker 10: needs an ambulance. Handpoint. Okay, where is the person that
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  Speaker 10: shot the neighbor?
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  Speaker 15: Who shot? Who shot me?
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  Speaker 7: Because the guy's name was Paul Dewise.
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  Speaker 10: Paul is the one that shot the person. That's what
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  Speaker 10: she said.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, she said, her roommate, Ashley is the one that
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  Speaker 7: stole us.
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  Speaker 10: Do we know where Paul is now? She doesn't know
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  Speaker 10: if you's still in the house. That's why she ran. Okay,
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  Speaker 10: all right, is Ashley bleeding? Seriously? Was she bleeding for?
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  Speaker 13: Yes?
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  Speaker 11: She said, yes right.
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  Speaker 4: Lauren and her roommate Ashley were shot on the morning
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  Speaker 4: of January sixth. Their neighbors would hear the gunshot and
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  Speaker 4: rush to the home, finding what they saw as a
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  Speaker 4: deceased Lauren and a severely wounded Ashley. Additionally, the neighbors
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  Speaker 4: would name Paul the Wise as the shooter. Officers would
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  Speaker 4: waste no time and rush to the scene immediately.
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  Speaker 3: Where are we at? What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: I just did the friends last night, and I just
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  Speaker 2: came in and I saw that my.
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  Speaker 20: Back door had been broken in.
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  Speaker 3: So I went to the back and I could see
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  Speaker 3: footsteps in the snow. So I ran up my room
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  Speaker 3: to see it. My roommate was, okay, I have two roommates.
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  Speaker 6: The other ones in the room.
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  Speaker 3: She still I have a chinantl And I ran because
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know if he was still in the house. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So you don't know if there's somebody else in that,
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 10: Think so, But I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Laura looks like she's been a while, but Ashley's asked.
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  Speaker 3: Me for helping me. Ran Okay, is this door open?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so we have two people upstairs? Is that what
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  Speaker 3: you're telling you? Okay, Well, we don't know if there's
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  Speaker 3: anybody else in the house. Is that correct? Okay? Okay?
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  Speaker 3: One apparent dead, one still alive?
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  Speaker 2: She said.
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  Speaker 3: I ran out as soon as I saw that. I
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  Speaker 3: have no idea if there's still anybody else in there.
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  Speaker 18: This is open, Okay, we're printing the snow leading up heres. Okay, ready,
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  Speaker 18: abut very please please department anybody time come out going
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  Speaker 18: this way?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I got a stairwell.
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  Speaker 3: Please, three chos?
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  Speaker 18: Where are you at?
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  Speaker 10: Did you clear?
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  Speaker 18: How many people are inside?
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  Speaker 4: We're making an entry?
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  Speaker 1: How many people?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 20: Okay?
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  Speaker 9: Excuse we're coming.
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 18: Please show me your hand.
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  Speaker 1: The doors on the left and right?
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  Speaker 3: Please?
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  Speaker 1: Where shoot?
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  Speaker 3: Who shot you?
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  Speaker 21: No?
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  Speaker 9: Where?
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  Speaker 3: Shoot?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna shoot you.
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  Speaker 21: Down.
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  Speaker 3: I'll mind you medical in here now.
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  Speaker 1: Please, we're not going to shoot you.
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  Speaker 21: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Why I'm past play?
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  Speaker 3: Ashley?
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  Speaker 12: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Who shot you?
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  Speaker 21: No? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: What happened?
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  Speaker 1: I please come here?
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  Speaker 12: Who did.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the police.
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  Speaker 3: Right here?
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  Speaker 2: Where are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm right here? Can you see me?
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  Speaker 12: Where are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm right here where.
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  Speaker 4: Ashley was temporarily blind, with a bullet wound to the
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  Speaker 4: back of her head and several others across her body.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: She had no idea where she was and wasn't even
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: aware she had been shot.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I neither believe I'm the police.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, showing me your face? Thick, I'm right here. Can
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you see me?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: No?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Can you see anything? No?
• 20:17
  Speaker 21: No? No?
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, ma'am, I'm right here.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
• 20:21
  Speaker 21: You?
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I'm right here. Can you feel my hand?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: What?
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna shoot you?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Where do you hurt? I don't hurt it anywhere.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: You don't hurt anywhere.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: No?
• 20:33
  Speaker 12: Are you hard to hurt me?
• 20:36
  Speaker 21: No?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt you.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, Please, We're gonna help you, Ashley.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Ashley was not in a communicative state at this point,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: making this about as difficult a situation as you can
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: get as a police officer. Regardless, this officer would do
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: a heroic job of remaining calm as he continued to
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: talk to Ashley and ensure she stayed awake. Fortunately, staff
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: arrived quickly, and Ashley would be rushed to the hospital.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Whether or not she would survive remain to be seen,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: but the officer can rest assured knowing that he did
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: everything possible to keep her alive. The other victim, Lauren,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: would be pronounced dead on the scene. Well, this is devastating.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Another problem still had to be solved, and solved fast,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: as the shooter had not yet been located.
• 21:27
  Speaker 18: Got the garage clear, yep, he cleared the garage. We
• 21:32
  Speaker 18: got tracks everywhere? Can you move that that frame? Heard
• 21:37
  Speaker 18: the mattress? Got a man door?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Can we go out that?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we'll claire.
• 21:49
  Speaker 18: Is there tracks going over the top of the fence
• 21:51
  Speaker 18: or anything?
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: No?
• 21:53
  Speaker 21: Negative?
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: How about this way?
• 21:55
  Speaker 16: There's tracks going around that way?
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: Okay?
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Is our gain open? The house was clear, meaning whoever
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: killed Lauren had fled immediately, and while he may have
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: gotten away, several clues would be left behind, the most
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: obvious being a trail of bloody footprints leading from the
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: east side of the house over to the back door.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: At the time, this was a small, irrelevant detail. However,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: this would become one of the leading pieces of evidence
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: to solve the case later on. By nothing short of
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: a miracle, Ashley would survive the brutal attack, she would
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: undergo multiple emergency surgeries, fracture treatments, and blood transfusions. This
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: was a blessing for not only Ashley and her family,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: but for the detectives working on the case, because if
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Ashley could recall what had happened and who shot her,
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  Speaker 4: get back to the video. So, after Ashley had briefly
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: recovered from her surgeries, detectives would sit down for a
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: formal interview. The goal of the interview was to help
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: her recall crucial details about the incident by asking specific,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: targeted questions in hopes of triggering memories that might have
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: been buried due to the trauma.
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: So obviously, you know we're here to talk to you.
• 24:13
  Speaker 22: Yes, I do, And I know this is kind of
• 24:15
  Speaker 22: a tough question, but can you tell me do you
• 24:19
  Speaker 22: remember anything at all when.
• 24:20
  Speaker 15: I got shot?
• 24:22
  Speaker 21: No?
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: No, I do not remember being shot at all.
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, you're you know, you're a lucky down But
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: everything that I've heard, you know you're a fighter.
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: It's a miracle.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I'm alive.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I thank God every day.
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: It's really a miracle, it is.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: The detective would continue asking questions for another thirty minutes,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: but unfortunately, Ashley was unable to answer anything whatsoever. Again,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: officers were left confused as to who this killer was
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: and why this happened in the first place. Due to
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: the lack of physical evidence, detectives decided to talk to
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: more witnesses in order to determine a primary suspect. Audrea,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: neighbor who called for help, had reported Paul as the
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: potential killer during the nine one one call, so with
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: this in mind, officers decided it was imperative to speak
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: with Audreya to better understand why she would make these claims,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: and she would waste no time letting officers in on
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Lauren's abusive relationship with Paul.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: We had golfing once this summer.
• 25:22
  Speaker 23: Okay, well, she actually had worked out at my gym.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I'm a personal trainer at the sky Barball and she
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: had come in one day and I saw a bruise
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: on her and I remember saying, dude, what happened to
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: her leg?
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: She said, oh, I just ran into something.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And I said, one hundred mile an hour softball, what happened.
• 25:39
  Speaker 12: To your leg?
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: She just dismissed it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: A couple months later, we were golfing, and she said
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: they've lived here about it here, She said, I can't
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: believe I've never told.
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: Anybody this, but I think I need to leave Paul.
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: He beats me all the time.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I used to contact me every day, and one day
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: would be I think you ruined my life.
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: I can't believe her helping my wife too.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: This is all my fault. That has nothing to do
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: with you. He did nothing. I mean, he's got a
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: schizophrenic chain of messages that I never responded to.
• 26:12
  Speaker 24: Anyway.
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: Yesterday it's actually been fairly holed. She went over to
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: his house for the heard their daughters. Did I have
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: a three year old daughter's trip four?
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Audrea was well aware Paul was an abusive and psychotic
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: husband prior to Lauren's death. Based on Audrey's claims, her
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: suspicion of Paul's involvement would only grow stronger.
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: I left last night on nine.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: She had just gotten out of the path, and she
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: actually said something to me like, I'm just so happy here.
• 26:39
  Speaker 20: I feel safer than I felt in years.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: And I remember leaving hers.
• 26:45
  Speaker 20: My last around nine thirty, and I got home this morning.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I got more really and when I walked in and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I looked down in my backboard frame, two pieces of
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: wood were laying on the floor. And ran upstairs to
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: see the lord and was okay, okay. I literally like, well,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the door.
• 27:04
  Speaker 20: Had been propped it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: She always so good.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: And I could spare there.
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: I didn't walk it all the way on her.
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: I just liked the rings.
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: It looked when I was.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: There, but I didn't even know literally went to that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: shots because he has like a bicyclist pulled him open.
• 27:27
  Speaker 20: I kind of walked like got close to the.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Traffic, pull on bicycles pulled Lauren.
• 27:35
  Speaker 20: He got banned from an up guests.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Based on Ashley's claims, Paul was not only an
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: abuser but also notoriously threatened people with the same weapon
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: used to kill Lauren, it was becoming more and more
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: clear that Paul was who detectives ultimately needed to speak with.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Safely getting Paul to the police station for questioning was
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: something that needed to be done with extreme precaution. Whoever
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: killed Lauren was armed with a twenty two caliber pistol,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: and if Paul was responsible, a dangerous scenario could occur
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: if police contacted him directly. So in order to safely
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: secure him, officers devised a complex plan for his arrest.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Paul's house would be heavily surveyed the day of the arrest.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: The moment Paul left his house, the surveillance team would
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: notify the arrest team of his direction of travel. In
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: order to leave his neighborhood, Paul would have to exit
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: either to the west on South nineteenth Avenue or east
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: on South third Avenue. Units would be blocking both streets
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: and a high risk felony stop would be used to
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: take Devise into custody. With this plan, officers were granted
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: an arrest warrant for Paul, and immediately the operation would
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: go under way. At nine am the next day, Paul
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: would exit his house in his Chevrolet Suburban. He'd turn
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: west onto South nineteenth Avenue, where an officer would be
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: waiting for him, and quickly pulled the vehicle over.
• 29:07
  Speaker 15: The Okay, go and get out, get out, hands up,
• 29:21
  Speaker 15: walk over here, turn around, look away from me, walk backwards,
• 29:26
  Speaker 15: keep coming, keep coming. Stop, Get on the ground.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Get on the ground.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Do not move?
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Do you understand me?
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: M take him to the back of my car, all right, MH.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: The plan had worked perfectly, and Paul was quickly brought
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: to the Bozeman Police station for his first formal interrogation.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: At this point, Paul knows exactly why he's here. His
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: wife had been found murdered. He also knows that logically,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: an innocent man wouldn't have that kind of information in
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: the first place. What makes this interrogation particularly interesting is that,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: despite knowing this, Paul subconsciously steers the conversation towards his wife.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Well, my name's Justin then at the Dougray Police Department.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, So remember at this point there has been no
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: mention of Lauren whatsoever.
• 30:35
  Speaker 25: What do you do for work?
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: I'm just stay home do for a while, and the
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: hardest job there is.
• 30:43
  Speaker 20: Had a couple of accidents, and we're going to switching
• 30:46
  Speaker 20: rolls and staying home. Yeah, now we're going through transition right.
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: Now, though, So is that right?
• 30:53
  Speaker 21: Yeah?
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: So what kind of transition?
• 30:56
  Speaker 20: We're separated? Oh yeah, fun factious supposed to be a
• 31:00
  Speaker 20: baby today. So that's so it's been tough. I hurt
• 31:03
  Speaker 20: my knee back in June and we had a lot
• 31:07
  Speaker 20: of problems since then, and I had surgery in August,
• 31:09
  Speaker 20: and it's just it's just cause a lot of problems.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: The detectives still haven't mentioned Lauren.
• 31:16
  Speaker 20: I've had a bunch of injuries in the last few years,
• 31:18
  Speaker 20: and she's pissed off at you about that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: Was it work related? And what would you do before
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: you stayed at home? Well, I was a school teacher
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: for fifteen years.
• 31:26
  Speaker 20: I taught science before to Montana here, know, in Pensacol, Florida.
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: Oh really, okay, to a biology degree. Yeah, that's how
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: my wife and I met. Really, she was. We both
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: taught next door to each other. Yeah, it's like my coffee.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Once again, Paul brings up his wife on prompted, Well,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: this is interesting. It's not enough to serve as evidence,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: so the detectives decide it's time to apply more pressure.
• 31:58
  Speaker 24: So the reason that I wanted to talk to you
• 32:02
  Speaker 24: is there was some issues that happened over at Lawren's
• 32:06
  Speaker 24: house last or this morning, and I just kind of
• 32:09
  Speaker 24: wanted to touch base with you to see.
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: If you were over there at all, if.
• 32:17
  Speaker 24: Kind of where you were this morning, that kind of thing. Well, well,
• 32:27
  Speaker 24: someone broken them to the back door of her place,
• 32:31
  Speaker 24: and so from what I understand, you guys were separated
• 32:36
  Speaker 24: and working on a divorce. So that's that's kind of
• 32:40
  Speaker 24: where we're at.
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: Sure, well not not really.
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: She isn't.
• 32:49
  Speaker 24: Well, the the person that came in ended up shooting there, so.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: She's dead.
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so, oh my god.
• 33:07
  Speaker 24: So that that's why we're talking to you, because you
• 33:10
  Speaker 24: guys are going through a divorce and from what I understand,
• 33:15
  Speaker 24: and that's we need the time to figure out what's
• 33:19
  Speaker 24: going on.
• 33:24
  Speaker 9: This seems to me I don't know anything about it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: Well, let me let me just say right off the bat,
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: regardless of your relational issues, I understand Lauren is very
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: important too, and I'm so sorry that you're going through
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: this right now.
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: This is dead.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say you think.
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: I did I didn't do it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 24: We gotta we've gotta look at the big say you did.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: I'm asking you don't give us any information that you
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: can about anything, whether as you were not.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: It's hard to tell whether Paul is genuinely anxious over
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: his wife's passing or if he's simply putting on a
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: convincing act, panicking not over grief but over the realization
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: that the detectives are closing.
• 34:12
  Speaker 19: In on him.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Notably, Paul would quickly regain his composure and instead redirects
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: the conversation towards Lauren, quickly painting himself as a victim
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: of her actions.
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: Answertingue, I haven't having panic problems. I never had it before.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Never.
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: I didn't know what a real panic attack was like.
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: Just since you got here, No since, so since we
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: started going through this crap.
• 34:36
  Speaker 20: Now it started in like July. She's going through like
• 34:40
  Speaker 20: a midlife crisis. And you know, she's staying gone, she's
• 34:46
  Speaker 20: coming home late and drunk. I caught her cheating. Yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 20: two days in a row with two different people in
• 34:53
  Speaker 20: the car, you know, and and the second time I
• 34:58
  Speaker 20: asked her to leave.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Well, Paul think that painting her in a bad light
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: is a smart move. In reality, it only establishes that
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: he had a strong motive for revenge. At this point,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: the detectives decide it's time to start constructing a timeline,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: hoping to pin Paul to a version of events they
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: can systematically dismantle.
• 35:16
  Speaker 24: So is there anything you can think of, anything that
• 35:19
  Speaker 24: would help us at all?
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: I can't think right now. Let's just start with a
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: basic timeline.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: So start with let's say what you do during a
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: normal day yesterday was Saturday, right, right, So when you
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: woke up, were your other kids already awake?
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: Were they all three still asleep or you said.
• 35:39
  Speaker 20: Jennifer, Yeah, okay, but the teenagers were in bed.
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: That's what teenagers did.
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's not exciting. I mean I was just in
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: my chair all day.
• 35:53
  Speaker 21: Okay.
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: I think I'm going to Walmart or go out to
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: eat or anything like that. No trips outside. I don't
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: go anywhere.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: The detective asks this question because they have CCTV footage
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: placing Paul at a gas station at twelve thirty four am.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: By outright denying that he left his home, It's clear
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: that Paul is lying. However, when detectives ask the question
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: minutes later, Paul realizes they might be setting up a
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: trap and changes his story.
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: So, if I'm understanding correctly, you didn't leave your house
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: pretty much at all yesterday, not last night, certainly not
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: after dinner.
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: What time do you think you went to bed? God,
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: he actually did go out. I went and got a
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: six pack of beer around midnight. It's a town pong.
• 36:47
  Speaker 24: Going back to the timeline, last night, you went to
• 36:52
  Speaker 24: the town pong to get a six pack of beer.
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: And both of your oldest we're still a.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: My son with me Elier some months okay, and you
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: guys were gone for from beer houses. What cou'd be
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: fifteen to twenty minutes?
• 37:16
  Speaker 20: Maybe lastly, if you get the light, maybe it's five times.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: The fact that Paul's son Joseph was with him on
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: that trip is actually a crucial detail. Detectives now have
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: another potential key witness who can prove or disprove Paul's
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: movements that day. However, while this interview establishes that Paul
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: has both a motive and a timeline that aligns with
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Lawrence murder, it's not enough evidence for detectives to make
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: an arrest. For now, they have no choice but to
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: let Paul go. While this is unfortunate and potentially dangerous,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: they were able to obtain one of Paul's belongings, his iPhone.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Quickly officers discovered that Paul was in fact at Lawrence
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: House the day of the murder by locating a photo
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Paul took in front of her house just hours before
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: her death. By combining Paul's claim that he was with
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: his son that night with phone data placing him at
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Lawrence House, a crucial question can be made. Did Paul's
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: son Joseph also go into Lawrence House the night she
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: was murdered. If what Paul said during the interrogation is true,
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: then Joseph should have been with Paul the entire night,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: which would include going to Lawrence House. This is a
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: question that detectives needed to solve and solve fast, as
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: both the potential suspects are roaming free and could cause
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: further damage if the case were to come to a standstill.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: So a few hours later, Paul's son Joseph would be
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: brought to the interrogation room. The plan for this interrogation
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: was very straightforward. Simply get a timeline for where Joseph
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: was the day of his stepmom's death, and see if
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Joseph will admit to him, or at least his father,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: going to Lawrence House that night.
• 38:57
  Speaker 13: HI finds a chair chatter out there. My name is
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: Jeremy cop On, the detective Serghip for the Sheriff's Office. Okay,
• 39:10
  Speaker 13: obviously you know what happened to that. Given that, then
• 39:17
  Speaker 13: I need to be able to want to sit down
• 39:20
  Speaker 13: and be able to talk to you. Right, Let's go
• 39:25
  Speaker 13: to Saturday and just walk me walk me through Saturday.
• 39:32
  Speaker 9: So Saturday I got up around like they mean, well,
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: bitch round twelve.
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  Speaker 23: Is that kind of typical the week on the weekends
• 39:43
  Speaker 23: or no? I feel like maybe okay, And then I
• 39:48
  Speaker 23: guess not feeling the best, so we don't. We usually
• 39:51
  Speaker 23: would work on Saturday with Alton. We were waddling in
• 39:54
  Speaker 23: a trailer, but we are we were kind of sick.
• 40:00
  Speaker 21: Don't actually working here, and it was kind of run down,
• 40:03
  Speaker 21: so we just we just hung out all day. We
• 40:05
  Speaker 21: were up later than we should have been, and then
• 40:08
  Speaker 21: we stayed up for a while, and then twelve came around,
• 40:14
  Speaker 21: and then me and my dad went on a beer
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  Speaker 21: un he went. I went with him to the town
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  Speaker 21: pump okay by Albersons.
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  Speaker 23: Okay, man, So the six fact you're moody ranger, Oh
• 40:28
  Speaker 23: blood blood drind ipa moody ranger, booty ranger.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Joseph's timeline is almost identical to that of both his
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: father and sister, who was also interviewed. This is troubling
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: because the detective knows the story is a lie. At
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: some point during that timeframe, Paul went to Lawrence House.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: That means someone isn't telling the truth. The detective would
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: notice this and pivot starting to ask some more direct
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: questions to Joseph.
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: To go I just go with them us.
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: Yeah, gangish your dad quite a bit. Yeah, he was
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: just getting pretty tight. Yeah, so we just heard enough
• 41:05
  Speaker 11: to say whatever we do.
• 41:07
  Speaker 21: Yeah, sure, and then we came back to the house
• 41:10
  Speaker 21: and then Natalie was uptil around eleven. I'm dig one, okay, baby,
• 41:16
  Speaker 21: went was a sleeperly seven, So you don't.
• 41:21
  Speaker 11: Recall hearing the worst or anything open when you go
• 41:24
  Speaker 11: to bed, great, nobody contacts you or anything.
• 41:29
  Speaker 20: Okay.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Despite the detective's tries, Joseph doesn't seem to budge on
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: his story. Additionally, the suspicion that he could have been
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: implicated in Lauren's murder at this point is fairly long winded,
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: so the detective decides it's best to not confront Joseph
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: any further until more factual evidence can prove he's lying. Luckily,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: that evidence wouldn't take long to present itself. Remember the
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: bloody footprints found in the snow in Lauren's backyard. Well,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: a few days after the initial interviews, detectives began analyzing
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: the footprints to try and determine who they could be from. Immediately,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: detectives noticed there were two shoeprints in the snow, one
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: noticeably larger than the other, meaning two people were implicated
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: in Lauren's murder, one with bigger feet and one with smaller.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: When the prints were further analyzed, they were confirmed to
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: be from two different shoe models, the Walmart Interceptor boots
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: and the MARYL Reflex. And if we take a look
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: at photos of Joseph taken from Paul's phone, we can
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: see that Joseph would commonly wear the Walmart Interceptor boots. Additionally,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: if we look at the CCTV from the Town Pump
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: gas station, we can see that Paul was wearing the
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: MARYL Reflex. Paul had undoubtedly killed Lauren, and Joseph had
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: come along with him. Detectives realized that Joseph was the
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: key to all of this. He had been there with
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: his father when Laura was killed, and now they were
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: certain of it. In his last interview, Joseph had stuck
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: to the same timeline as his father, a timeline that
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: investigators could now prove was a complete lie. With this leverage,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: detectives believed that with the right amount of pressure, they
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: could break Joseph and force him to confess everything. Due
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: to the intense nature of what detectives are about to do,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: they would bring in Joseph's biological mother, Paul's ex wife,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: to provide comforts, hoping that her presence would further push
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: him too finally tell the truth.
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: So, Joe, yesterday you and I, you and I kind
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: of talked about what everybody had done on Saturday. Well,
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: I thought I felt new English, and then maybe Natalie
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: were up and there was living that was in his chair.
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: I was on the couch. Baby is just whatever she was.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: As the interview progressed, Joseph's timeline remained largely consistent with
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: what he had stated the day before. The detective knew
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: he wasn't getting the full truth, and that meant it
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: was time to apply more pressure.
• 44:48
  Speaker 22: That's pretty accurate to what you told me yesterday, and
• 44:52
  Speaker 22: I was hoping that today we could you and I could.
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: Break through that and we can talk about what actually happened.
• 45:04
  Speaker 22: That's because if I, if I, if I can't get
• 45:09
  Speaker 22: you to be honest with me, I can't help you.
• 45:16
  Speaker 22: But I'm not willing to give up on you.
• 45:20
  Speaker 21: I think.
• 45:23
  Speaker 22: I think that we can get through it. I can
• 45:25
  Speaker 22: see the weight on you, and the only way I
• 45:31
  Speaker 22: can help is if you and I are honest with
• 45:35
  Speaker 22: each other. Joe, I can't I can't help.
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: I can't do anything if you and I are honest
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: with each other. In here, okay, Joe? Joke Joe.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: It seems to be working slowly, Joseph. Penses are starting
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: to crumble. At this point, all the detective can do
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: is sit with him as the reality of the situation
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: closes in.
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: Your dad took you? He didn't, He wasn't alone. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: don't know after long because I had my boots are
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: in my own house. Joe.
• 46:32
  Speaker 22: We've got to be honest, completely honest. How did your
• 46:37
  Speaker 22: boots better at your residence? Those same friends end up
• 46:44
  Speaker 22: with the crime scene, Joe. There's be thoughtful, be truthful.
• 46:50
  Speaker 9: I can't do anything if I can't be truthful. Was
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: it just your dad show?
• 47:00
  Speaker 21: Mhm?
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: Joe, Joe, just come on, come on, snent you know
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: something to just say it? When when did he leave?
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: Did he leave you? Did he did he make you go?
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Is that why.
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: Did you go to?
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Kay?
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: Was it it was after before the beer? I meant
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: to the beer?
• 47:40
  Speaker 25: Joe, help me understand. Help me understand that you hid.
• 47:46
  Speaker 25: Help me understand when he left. Helped me understand why
• 47:49
  Speaker 25: I can believe that you weren't there. Help me help
• 47:52
  Speaker 25: me understand it. How far in the house did you God,
• 47:57
  Speaker 25: did you just wait outside?
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: Joe?
• 48:04
  Speaker 26: Why would he frame his own son? M Why would
• 48:10
  Speaker 26: he frame his own son? Joe Boobs?
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: Are there? Help me? Help me, help me tell the story?
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: Was it you were him? Tell me list him? How
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: do you know he was watched spirits? So he sent
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: you to bed? He doesn't, he said, he loves your son.
• 48:55
  Speaker 9: I haven't always.
• 48:58
  Speaker 24: My sister is.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: I didn't know? The pressure had broken Joseph. After relentless questioning,
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: he had finally come clean about what transpired new days earlier.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Months later, when the detective recounted this moment with Joseph,
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: he would burst into tears, overcome by the weight of
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: the situation.
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: Just love you right now, sooth your son?
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: You go.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: You couldn't with me.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: The detectives had what they wanted, and there was nothing
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: left to do but finally wrap this case up. Paul's
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: trial would be a long and drawn out process, stretching
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: over two years after his arrest. During this time, he
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: remained in the Gallatin County Detention Center, where he quickly
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: became a problem innate. On February seventh, roughly one month
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: after his arrest, tensions escalated when Paul called out another innate, Buckley,
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: accusing him of being a liar. Buckley responded with a warning,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: don't disrespect me like that, but before he could say more,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Paul threw a punch, hitting Buckley in the face and
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: sparking a full blown fist fight. Paul would be charged
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: with assault following the fight, only adding to the array
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: of charges against him. Paul would eventually meet his fate
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: on February fourth, twenty twenty, nearly two years after his arrest.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: He'd be convicted of deliberate homicide, attempted deliberate homicide, and
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: tampering with evidence, and would be sentenced to two hundred
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: and twenty years in prison without the possibility of parole.
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: Mischance to commit deliver a homicide, and actually being married
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: guilty of New Yorks