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Is This The Last We Hear From Ryan Garcia? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner us.
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  Speaker 2: Then in at six foot five weight class unknown, but
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  Speaker 2: Hailen from the City of Sins.
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  Speaker 1: Put your hands together for Jamison will and in this
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  Speaker 2: To us from his super secret bunker with no ac
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  Speaker 2: in Tucson, Arizona.
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  Speaker 3: Put your hands together for Louis Montemao.
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  Speaker 2: All right, thank you. Welcome back to the episode of
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  Speaker 2: the Mixed Company podcast. On one half of the show,
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  Speaker 2: Jamison wels And joined by Louise Louise. What's going on man,
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  Speaker 2: Happy New.
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  Speaker 1: Year, Happy New Year, Jamison. Man. I am so excited
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  Speaker 1: to be back for episode thirty four of our show.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into what's going on in this episode,
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  Speaker 1: if you're just joining us, we got to have you
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  Speaker 1: go back to episode thirty three, our previous episode, we
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  Speaker 1: had an amazing interview with an award winning journalist named
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  Speaker 1: Gail fuck Good follow a woman who has been covering
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  Speaker 1: boxing for years. She is one of the biggest ex
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  Speaker 1: in the sport you'll ever find, passionate, a lot of knowledge,
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  Speaker 1: she's the historian of the sport. And we've gotten a
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  Speaker 1: really good feedback on that episode. And you gotta check
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  Speaker 1: it out. It's a wonderful interview. She's totally awesome. After
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  Speaker 1: we got off the mic, she had some personal advice
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  Speaker 1: for me about getting into boxing media a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more this year. So please, y'all, if this is your
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  Speaker 1: first episode, do not neglect our previous one episode thirty
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  Speaker 1: three Apple, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and on YouTube. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so did you How did you feel about our previous
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  Speaker 1: episode with the interview Jamison?
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  Speaker 2: Ah, it's always good talk with people who actually enjoy boxing.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people get in the sport
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  Speaker 2: because it benefits them or because they can play an angle.
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  Speaker 2: She genuinely enjoys the sport. She enjoys all the parts
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  Speaker 2: of which is always a good thing to see. I
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  Speaker 2: think a big part as we've gotten with sports and
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  Speaker 2: media is there's too many people who try to become
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  Speaker 2: the story. There's too many people who try and be
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  Speaker 2: bigger than the people that they're covering, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that's a big issue.
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  Speaker 1: That we have even in boxing.
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  Speaker 2: There are certain boxing people who I'm not gonna name now,
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  Speaker 2: but for those who know know that they feel that
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  Speaker 2: people are coming to Vegas or New.
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  Speaker 3: York to cover them that is not how this works.
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  Speaker 2: So it's refreshing to see people like boxing for what
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  Speaker 2: it is, not have any hot takes. That's another issue
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  Speaker 2: that we have with people who cover boxing. They weren't
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  Speaker 2: like subtle, eite, racist or nothing like that. So it's
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  Speaker 2: very good to see someone that actually enjoys boxing. Wasn't
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  Speaker 2: no funny stuff, so it was cool. It was cool.
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  Speaker 2: With that being said, it's a breath of fresh air,
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  Speaker 2: especially being a woman in the game, because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times you see women in boxing, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of thoughts that go through your mind for whatever reason
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  Speaker 2: it might be. So it was good to see someone
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  Speaker 2: know their stuff, a lot of experience, no funny stuff,
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  Speaker 2: no questionable past, No oh she's only here because she
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  Speaker 2: did this, this and that or Legsedli did this and that,
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  Speaker 2: not asked to say it was good. It was refreshing,
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully going forward in twenty six and beyond, we
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  Speaker 2: have more interviews like that.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely and yeah, I mean she I think I think
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  Speaker 1: our show is we do have a lot of hot
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  Speaker 1: takes ourselves, but it comes from a passionate place for
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  Speaker 1: the sport and wanted to be better. So she and
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  Speaker 1: she and we agreed on a lot of things about
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  Speaker 1: where the sport is, where it's going, where it should go.
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  Speaker 1: So I cannot recommend our previous episode enough to everybody
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  Speaker 1: if you want to it, even if you're just tuning
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  Speaker 1: in and you don't know a lot about boxing and
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  Speaker 1: want to learn, that's an episode to go to because
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  Speaker 1: she is a wealth of information, and yeah, please check
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  Speaker 1: it out. But yeah, let's you know, it's a new
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  Speaker 1: year and it's a new episode. So that was then
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  Speaker 1: this is now let's get let's turn our eyes to
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  Speaker 1: in the news headlines today. First things first, Anthony Joshua retires,
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  Speaker 1: Tyson fury unretires. So we talked also previous episode about
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua's tragic accident that he had a vehicle accident
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  Speaker 1: where a couple of his friends and members of his
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  Speaker 1: team passed away. Really really sad, horrible thing to happen.
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  Speaker 1: And it turns out that after this he's he's retiring.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I am absolutely not a fan of Jake
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  Speaker 1: Paul and I considered him ex communicator from the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: But Anthony Joshua, essentially, if he were stays retired as
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  Speaker 1: going out on top because he got his name in lights,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he made a big bag. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: ladies were thirsty and before him when they found when
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  Speaker 1: they learned who he was and saw pictures of him
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  Speaker 1: in the ring, you know, video of him in the ring.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, you know, it's hard to get
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  Speaker 1: your mind right after something like that happens. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Luckily it's never happened to me. I've never been in
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  Speaker 1: an accident like that, but I've known people that have.
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  Speaker 1: I known people that lost people, and I just can't
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  Speaker 1: imagine you kind of getting your head right after that
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  Speaker 1: to be back in a ring anytime soon. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to see where your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: are and whether you think this is going to stick
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  Speaker 1: or it's another one of those retire unretired situations.
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  Speaker 2: It's tough because whenever you lose someone so sudden, all
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  Speaker 2: bets are often comes to emotions.
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  Speaker 3: Especially as his team.
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  Speaker 2: He's losing trainers and people that are closer than getting
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  Speaker 2: ready for battle. So it's not necessarily just losing a friend,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also as someone that helps you in the ring.
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  Speaker 2: That's I think that's the part where it gets real
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  Speaker 2: nice because you just.
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  Speaker 3: Can't trust anyone.
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  Speaker 2: You get other trainers, you get another nutritious, a corner person,
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  Speaker 2: of course, but it's not the same. Like thing about
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  Speaker 2: boxing is the great boxes usually have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: chemistry from everybody in the camp.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody has a giant roll. Everybody knows their role.
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  Speaker 2: No one's trying to be more than they should. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: else a pecking order. Everybody works in unison, and you
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  Speaker 2: have a great fight night. That's how it's supposed to go.
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  Speaker 2: If you add people in who don't have the same
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  Speaker 2: agenda as you do, or have another agendable, shit, he
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  Speaker 2: just cashed out. His next fight's gonna make a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of money. I'm only here for the check. That's not
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  Speaker 2: the people you really want your corner. You want people
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  Speaker 2: work in the corner. They're gonna be honest with you,
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  Speaker 2: that got your best thoughts in place, and you also
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  Speaker 2: want people who are gonna be there for you, uh
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  Speaker 2: not just as a boxer, as a person. So if
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  Speaker 2: you were to get new people, not saying it be
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  Speaker 2: impossible to get people who have his best benefit of heart,
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  Speaker 2: but there's no.
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  Speaker 1: Guarantee of that. So with all that being said.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's best that probably retire and you know,
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  Speaker 2: got a huge payday and enjoy the rest of his
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  Speaker 2: life when I'm putting self in danger and also not
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  Speaker 2: to find a whole new staff for people to have
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  Speaker 2: to work for him for a potential fight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I I do very much believe in
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  Speaker 1: the old adage of everyone's replaceable when it comes to work,
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  Speaker 1: you know, business, that kind of things I do. But
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  Speaker 1: it is different. You know, you can't just say that
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  Speaker 1: and have that be a universal truth with with boxing.
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, these are your relationships that fighters built
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  Speaker 1: for years. And here's the thing. You want to say,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's replaceable in the job where you're doing paperwork, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine, but this is somebody putting you're putting your
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  Speaker 1: life on the line, and you're putting your your lives
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  Speaker 1: in you know, your team's hands to get in that ring.
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  Speaker 1: So well, I do believe that it's true. It's also
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  Speaker 1: not the same as as you know, being replaceable as
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  Speaker 1: even if you're a manager at Pure One Imports or
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  Speaker 1: whatever you know. So yeah, I mean, I mean and
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  Speaker 1: and like I said, good for him going out after
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  Speaker 1: you know, having a really good manner year. And and
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  Speaker 1: it's just kind of kind of here's I guess we
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  Speaker 1: call it the meme of the year is him, Uh.
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  Speaker 2: He did God's work on the way out in this
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  Speaker 2: in this raid. I'm not happy that he participated in
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  Speaker 2: this raide, but it started a purpose. Like I'll give
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  Speaker 2: him a past what he did.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, And this is yeah, speaking in hindsight after you
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  Speaker 1: know what happened in his decision to move on, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I see it in a different light now, so I'll
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  Speaker 1: be I'll be fair of this healthy how he goes
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  Speaker 1: out then you know, hey, it could have been a
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  Speaker 1: lot worse, right, But yeah, Tyson Fury, you know, unsurprising
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  Speaker 1: everybody unretired for you know, the fourth or fifth time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really have a lot to say on that.
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  Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to to say this. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this makes me believe that Bud Crawford is gonna stay retired.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't back this up with anything other than
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  Speaker 1: just vibes. Because Bud Crawford it seems like a genuine dude,
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  Speaker 1: like a real dude. Tyson Fury does not seem like
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  Speaker 1: a real dude. It seems like a persona. It's like this,
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  Speaker 1: like when Larry the Cable Guy and and Andrew Dice Clay,
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  Speaker 1: That's that's not them. Those are personas. There's a guy named,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Dan Whitney who just we don't see anymore
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  Speaker 1: on on TV or anything. Right, that's can I feel
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  Speaker 1: about guys like Tyson Fury. Ryan Garcia is not a
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  Speaker 1: real dude? Hell even Floyd he doesn't seem like a
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  Speaker 1: real just a real person you're talking to that you
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  Speaker 1: could talk to at a bar.
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  Speaker 3: But ironically that is not the case.
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  Speaker 2: Floyd is very approachable basically when it comes like young
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  Speaker 2: kids and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: He's Floyd and more approachable probably than he should be,
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  Speaker 3: if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, with that being said, I gee, what you're saying,
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  Speaker 2: Tance Crawford's probably retiring because there's no more big fights
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  Speaker 2: for him, like fighting Canela who you know who will
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  Speaker 2: cover later? The timeline is probably don't match up, so
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  Speaker 2: that probably don't work. Uh, there's no one else for
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  Speaker 2: him to fight to make the money he's he should
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  Speaker 2: make for fights playing simple Uh Fjory can fight people
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  Speaker 2: for big money.
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  Speaker 3: There's people out there he fight. He can run it back,
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  Speaker 3: but you sick he can.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, we're not gonna see another
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  Speaker 2: wat or fight, but there's there's things we can see
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  Speaker 2: for him to where he's making the money he wants
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  Speaker 2: to make. So I understand why he's coming back because
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  Speaker 2: there's probably a fight or two he's been approached with.
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  Speaker 2: He ain't coming back just to fight for the minimum.
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  Speaker 2: We know that there's probably last fight. I believe he
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  Speaker 2: made like forty million or something like that, or fifty
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  Speaker 2: million if I'm not mistaken. So if that's the case,
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  Speaker 2: you're not gonna bypass that just like es see this
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  Speaker 2: economy with everything going on, Nah nah, we need that
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  Speaker 2: one last big.
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  Speaker 3: Big check.
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  Speaker 1: That's a very good point. I guess at some point
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  Speaker 1: we kind of shouldn't expect everybody to stay retired if
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  Speaker 1: they can still you know, get their way into the ring,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, times are tough. Everything's getting more expective, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, you it doesn't matter how much money you make.
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  Speaker 1: You can lose every bit of a bag you have.
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  Speaker 2: Right well, Also everything's about tunity because what ends up
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  Speaker 2: happening is this. You don't know when the opportunity is
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  Speaker 2: ever gonna come again if it does. So when that
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  Speaker 2: does happen, it's like, well shit, I gotta take advantage
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  Speaker 2: of this because this may not be here. So if
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  Speaker 2: somebody comes knocking out forty fifty million and you know
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  Speaker 2: you don't have a whole lot of fights left in you.
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  Speaker 2: If you let that forty fifty million walk off the door,
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  Speaker 2: that's not coming back. It's not like being in your
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  Speaker 2: twenties or thirties where it's like, ah, i'll take a breaker,
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  Speaker 2: I won't fight this person. You can get away with
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  Speaker 2: that at that age because you'll have more fights. At
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  Speaker 2: this age, we got one of we got a possible
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  Speaker 2: of a fight.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, when I'm gonna I would watch a tysonterior
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  Speaker 1: fight because I try to watch all the fights. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be excited about it or you no no, no, no, no, no, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's one of those how about this, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't break plans to watch the next thing? Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if there's like there's like a concert I really want
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  Speaker 1: to go see or something, or like, hell, leave it
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  Speaker 1: a movie that I really want to go see on
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  Speaker 1: that night near Saturday night, I'll go. I'll go check
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  Speaker 1: that out. I don't know, I had, I wouldn't expect
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  Speaker 1: a Wilder fight, it I would. I don't know. I've
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  Speaker 1: I would be somewhat interested in an USK trilogy, but
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  Speaker 1: that's mostly because I want to see you suit back
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  Speaker 1: in the ring. You know, I just want to see uh.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to see him fight somebody and just
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  Speaker 1: get back there because I think he still has got
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  Speaker 1: some guests in the tank, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he's thinking about retirement. He was talking about a Wilder fight.
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  Speaker 1: We mentioned that if he does do that, like is
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  Speaker 1: he gonna keep going or is he on his way out?
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  Speaker 1: Same thing if he does, if he hangs it up,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna go out on top. Has an amazing career.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to see that man back in the ring, Davin.
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  Speaker 1: He's just so good. He's just too good.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair. That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Switching topics and speaking of people that don't necessarily need
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  Speaker 1: the money to fight and whose retirement we have discussed
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  Speaker 1: before on the show as well. Canel Canel Elvarez uh
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  Speaker 1: popped up on social media throwing punches after an elbow
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  Speaker 1: surgery that he needed to have after the Crawford fight.
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  Speaker 1: So uh, he's saying he's gonna be back in the ring,
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  Speaker 1: but he's saying that he very likely will miss his
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  Speaker 1: secret and Myo fight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you see him.
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  Speaker 1: Probably back in September at the earliest, which is a
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  Speaker 1: big deal because that's been his bread and butter. He's
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  Speaker 1: been the king of singing to Mao for what is
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  Speaker 1: it like at least a decade, maybe longer longer. So
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  Speaker 1: the bigger question, same thing. I don't really have a
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  Speaker 1: lot to say about Canelo specifically coming back, other than
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  Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'm still a fan. I'll always be
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  Speaker 1: a fan. He comes back, I'll be there, I'll watch it,
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  Speaker 1: I'll watch the fight. I'll be excited. I'll get hyped
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  Speaker 1: for it. You know he has lost the butt, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's like a bomb or a loser
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  Speaker 1: or anything. He just got up block still got out classed,
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  Speaker 1: and that happens. Does my thing is sincred to Mayo
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  Speaker 1: is wide open. David Benavitez wants to slaughter it. Has
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  Speaker 1: slotted in there to fight Amirez second in Vegas. So
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  Speaker 1: what I really want to know, especially specifically from you Jamison,
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  Speaker 1: as an outsider looking in, I see single to Mayo
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  Speaker 1: in Vegas as a big deal. Is it still has
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  Speaker 1: it changed? Is something that can still make a name?
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  Speaker 1: You know? Has Dave been a vida slotting himself up perfectly?
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  Speaker 1: Or is it just because do people take it for
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  Speaker 1: granted because there's always a secret of Mayo weekend? What
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  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that? So mine?
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  Speaker 2: I just want to correct my that's want to be
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  Speaker 2: for sure. Benavidez is Mexican.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, he's Mexican American, so he wasn't born in Mexican.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, absolutely, yes.
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  Speaker 2: That part is huge. As long as he's Mexican, he's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Canel is not gonna be around forever. There's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: another guy there places that single to Miyo slot. Eventually
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  Speaker 2: you might as well start now. However, it is mid January.
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  Speaker 2: We got three and a half months to single to Mao.
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  Speaker 2: The marketing has to start now because they have been
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  Speaker 2: a videz. His name is not as big as some
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  Speaker 2: of the other names that have had that slot for years,
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  Speaker 2: so you need that marketing. Also, you need a a card.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have David Benavide in three you know, three
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  Speaker 2: random fights that wouldn't be on TV anywhere else. That
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  Speaker 2: can't happen. You need to have a really strong card
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  Speaker 2: because our Mexican people, brothers and sisters are gonna always
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  Speaker 2: come out here for someone to mile. They always gonna
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  Speaker 2: support their fighters. I love that about them. I love,
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  Speaker 2: love love it, whether it's in La Phoenix, Texas, Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: they come out and drove and support their people and
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: However, with everything going on right now, it better be
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  Speaker 3: a good card.
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  Speaker 2: You can't just have David Benavida is fighting out here
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  Speaker 2: in Vegas and that's it. That's not gonna work. Gotta
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  Speaker 2: have a really good card. You also have to market
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  Speaker 2: it very well. You have to market on different platforms,
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  Speaker 2: different outlets to making sure it's a lot. You need
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  Speaker 2: the average person to be like Hume Can, I was
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  Speaker 2: not fighting, this is gonna mile, but who's this guy.
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  Speaker 2: You need those kind of things in your favor, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if the powers that be are able
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  Speaker 2: to do that or are.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Willing to do that, because that's what's needed as of
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: right now. Well, and I will say this, I don't
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: think we know anybody else was fighting, but it was
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: mentioned in an article making that way you will you know,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: but it's it's supposed to be a Mexican centric card
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: for the Benavitaz fight, so and and his opponent is
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: also Mexican. So it seems to be that there are
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: kind of no know exactly what they're doing. And this
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: is another Riat season event put on by the Saudist,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: so it seems like they're kind of ever thinking the
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: right thing about this, but it.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Helps, it helps a lot.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: The issue is this have to market it very very well,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: because the one thing we both know is this Vegas
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: is not the same Vegas we grew up with. Vegas
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: is very expensive. You got to give her a reason
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: for people to come here. And if there's no marketing
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: for said fight, it could get rough because Vegas, you're
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: paying for so many things and I'm assuming to will
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: not be cheap. So with that being said, you really
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: got to put together a really good card. You got
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: to incentivize the fan, the boxing fan, to come out
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: here and watch a good nut of boxing in May.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: You really have to. I just don't know if that
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: is going to be done with React season because of
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: how they do things. They just throw money at stuff.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: They don't necessarily have the proper marketing. It's just hey, here,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: here's money for this, here's money for that.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: And that's cool.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: But you can do both, especially if you know the
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: data is three and a half months out. So that's
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: something that we need to have on social media. We
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: need to have all different outlets. It needs to be
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: everywhere because his name is not as big as other guys,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: so you got to get his name as big.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: So there you go.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're definitely fans of David Bennavitez, but I
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: would agree, yes, his name isn't isn't there like as
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: the people that have done it before. But do you
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: think that you that do you think that to the
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: secret demount we can can make a name for so
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: or is it that? Is it that it's because yeah,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it seems like it's already given to the people that
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: are already big big names. Can this be a launching
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: pad forum for something better?
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Always, because as long as you fight often and you
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: knock people out or stop people, that will be That's
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: how you get the general people is by stopping people
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and powerfully. If you stop people powerfully, you'll get the
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: general sports fan. And then once people keep hearing your name,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: they will automatically tune in because they know who you
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: are now. They keep saying, hey, this day, but if
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: he does, dude her, he's nice. I heard he's you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: that's how it goes. So in order to grow some
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: grow a guy like this into that next step, it's
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: a full on press of marketing. Want to making sure saying, hey,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: this guy's actor is fighting twice a year, this is
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the plan, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Then yeah, at worked, it has got to be consistent
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: because the one thing you don't want is to have
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: any positible in him stop because once it's stopped, it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: very hard to get back.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the guy, the guy puts on great shows,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: he has a lot of knockouts. So you know, for me,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I feel personally it's kind of hard to gauge where
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Benavitez is in the general boxing conversation because I'm in Tucson,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: he's in He's from Phoenix, so there's a lot of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: built in fandom here. You know, he's he's he's my neighbor.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: But it's I know that he's not as big as
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: he should be, not yet, but it's just hard. It's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: hard to know when he crosses that line, you know
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like for me, but yeah, I mean
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the uh, I think he's kind of the guy. Buddy
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: of mine and I were just chatting about boxing, uh,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: not too long ago, just at a bar, and uh
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: we mentioned, you know, who's who's the next mech infighter
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: after Canelo. I said, David Benavidez is a good choice.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: My buddy said, well, yeah, he's not from Mexico. He's
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Mexican American. His mom is actually his dad is Mexican,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: his mom is from But he did make a point
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to say, well, you know, it used to be Hunus
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that Chilvis was the guy, and then we went to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Oscar de Laio, who was Mexican American. So it's like
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: we get one and we get one and then another
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: one Mexican and Mexican American, so this could be sort
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: of history repeating itself for him. I know, are our
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: guest scale Falconshol last episode mentioned that she thinks Lean
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I mean could be Oscar de point oh. I've seen
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: him fight, you know, kids got skills. But at the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: same time, he's still wet behind the years, you know,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: so I don't see if he really really does become
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Oscar two point oh when he becomes like huge star,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: big name and in Mexican boxing, It's not going to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: be this year, maybe next year. It's hard to say.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Oscar had a McDonald's commercial. Bro like it takes, like
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: throw his name around is way way different. Besides the
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: boxing alone, Oscar was a star out of the ring,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if that part because being Oscar
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: in the ring is one thing. He was the HELLI
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: fighter in his prime, There's no question about that earlier.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: We're not going to debate that today.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: However, the crossover star he became, I think that's what
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: she may be whole. I think she had to refer to,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and that's something that we're far away from because even
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: though the Olympics were ninety two, when people knew Oscar
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit of that. We knew the average sports
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: fan ne who Oscar dela Hoya was in the nineties
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and early two thousands. We got to get back to that.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: That's where I think we're missing the bridge at when
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: it comes to these guys.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: That's a very good point. Yeah, he is a mainstream star,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: but again, are we do we have boxers that can
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: be mainstream stars? I don't. I don't see of course
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: do they say, of course Steven.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Is doing a mcdadle's commercial. Because here's the thing, his personality.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: For instance, Tank was our best shot as a best
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: crossover star for a lot of reasons.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Knockout artists, little guy people love little guys like I
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: don't care how he's that person loves a little guy.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: That's that's amazing at sports. Unfortunately Tank went Tank. So
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: that's a whole different show topic. I don't want to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: go about over right now. Uh, there's a few got help.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: If Tans Crawford was five years younger, he would be
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: in every sports conversation.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: There is is best athlete in the world.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: It is that he's just our age, you know. So
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: that's that's the difference. That's the issue. No, a boxer
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: could definitely be in the everyday sports fan's mind. That's
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: where they're Boxing is still popular enough, it's still active
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: enough for that. The problem is the boxers we have
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: right now, they haven't one.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: They don't fight often enough. That's still that's still my
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: biggest appoint They are not active enough. Secondly is they're
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: all not all, but most for the most part, they're
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: kind of quiet. They're all kind of to themselves. There's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: no one that's like a big start out the ring
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason. And the ones that are big stars
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: off the ring, they're not good in the ring anymore.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: So that's the mixture that we got to figure out.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: But no, if the good boxer that becomes a megastar
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: in this country or in our society, there's still a
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: room for that, no doubt, no doubt about it, because
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: people still watch boxing. They still watch no matter how
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: no matter what apps you download, and people still watch.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can see where you're coming from. I'm
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit more skeptical on that, just based of
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: on just how prominent it's, how prominent it is, not
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: based on back in the day, we've had these conversations
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: about growing up in the nineties and movies that depicted
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: mainstream movies about boxing. You know, I feel I'll put
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: it to you this way. You know, I don't really
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: follow any other sport. I've never followed it, been passionate
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: or really like invested in any other sport. But I'm
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: sure I can name you know, football players, basketball players,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and I don't feel that UFC fighters for sure. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: don't can't. I don't think I've ever watched a full
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: UFC card and start to finish. But there's you know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: guys whose names I know, and I feel that I'm
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: that guy for other people who don't follow boxing. You
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Uh, our great producer just posted this in our in
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: our check. Consider this A thousand UFC events every year,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and the biggest fight events each year remain boxing matches.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, no matter what
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: era or slunk we have in boxing or whatever, people think,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: boxing is still boxing. And the key is we need
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the perfect storm with people fighting, often, people being entertaining
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: while fighting, and also being cool or marketable outside of
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the ring. We haven't had that mixture in quite some time.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: When Floyd wasn't beating up women allegedly that he was
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the perfect mix. But once he had a DV case
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: that was done. You know, that was that was out.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Uh Tans Crawf was on top rank, that was out.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: You mentioned tank uh Shakur Stevenson is interesting.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I think he could be it, but his fighting style
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: is so boring to something that he would need to
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: knock people out in the ring and do it impressively
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: and quickly. It fights to get that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: He but he does have to look, he does talk
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: a lot, he is active, he is outside, as I say.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: But with that being said, you need more.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: You need more than him, because one he might only
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: fight twice a year, the way he fights doesn't necessarily
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: suggest a guy that the average sports fan wants to see.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: You need the guys that entertain while also while also
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: boxing at a high level. And that's something that we
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: have not seen lately.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's really where I'm coming from. You know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not and I'm not trying to be a negative
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Nancy here. You know, you're talking to the guy who's
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: absolutely the only sport I truly love is boxing. I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: just yeah, I just don't see. I don't see what
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: we used to see. And yes, it could be that
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: this is just a low point of slump, as you said,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and we'll be back. But no, that's interesting, a really
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: good point thanks to our producer Jabari. Yeah, I would
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: not have thought that the biggest events are still boxing matches,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: because really, in casual conversation, I'm speaking anecdotally, all the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: people that I talk to are excited about UFC matches,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm the one telling them. By the way, Canelo
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: over Scrawford is a big fuck deal. By the way,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Shakur versus Tao, like, you should look at that. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody's always thinking about, you know, talking about, oh,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: it's a major fight between such and such an Israel
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Adisanya and some other guy that I whose dame I've
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: never heard of, you know, but hey, you know, it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: good to know that. At the end of the day,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I do believe this. I believe boxing is always going
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to be in the conversation one way or another. I
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: don't feel that, you know, we're ever gonna lose it
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: as a sport. And you're right, no matter how many
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: apps people have to download, boxing is ingrained in the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: culture just as much as baseball is. Unfortunately, because baseball
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: is boring, as shit and I hate it, but but
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I I just I feel a little skeptical that our
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: boxing stars can be, like I don't know, I guess.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Needed to be crossover stars. That's where I don't That's
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I think that's the issue.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Where the average American person is bringing them up when
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: it comes to favorite athletes or most dominant athletes. We
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: haven't had that since Floyd.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Sure. And and here's another thing too, another wrinkle that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I have to make sure to mention is Canel is
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a huge star in Mexico. Tyson Fior is a huge
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: star in the UK. Right, Like, these are mainstream dudes,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I see.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And most boxes are more popular where they're from overseas
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: and they are here. So even though boxing is what
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: it is here, said boxer from whatever country.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: They're from or whatever wherever they are, you.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Know, living at they're popular And a lot of times
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: box is more popular there than it's here.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: In general, is talk about more. They think it's seriously more.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, help, boxing in the UK is way different
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and they saw football stadiums regularly, so you can take
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: that for what it is.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all of that say, you know, I'm really pulling
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: for for David Benavitez to become a crossover star, and
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: you know, hopefully with this fight, well we're gonna talk
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: a lot more about it because it is a few
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: months away, but you know, potentially being the new kingsand
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: single to Mayo, I don't see. There's a lot of
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: other stars. You know, Ben Rodriguez amazing fighter, really really
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: uh strong following Mexican American from San Antonio, but I
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: do not see at the moment his name being as
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: as close to mainstream as Benavitez. So I think if
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about who's the next big name
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: at Sinco de Mayo, I'm betting I spend my money
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: on Benavidas. But also yeah, I think I think that
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I think where we start is this fight needs to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: be marketed as David Ben Avidas you start there, we're
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: off to We're off to a real good start, right,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: So we'll see and just on on on that note
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: as well, you know, Benavidez is going up to cruiser
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: weight to fight better Viev Art better Viev said he's
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: interested in a fight. Benevida said he is interested as well.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: So hopefully after this fight that's what we get because
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that's really what it was pulling for a better Viev
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: or Beval matchup. Uh, And I think that's what's gonna
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: do it once people see him up against these two
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: guys like some of the biggest, biggest names, biggest knockout
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: artists or sorry people, is not a knockout artist, but
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: he is a big star and better be of being
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest knockout artists that we have in
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the sport in the modern day. I think it's going
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: to be. Uh, that's really what was going to clinch it.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So I hope that happens for him. And just to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: make sure that we get this note on here from
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: our producer, the largest UFC crowd ever was fifty seven
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: k and twenty nineteen when it peaked, and Canelo puts
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: seventy one k h and Cowboys Stadium a few years back, so.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: In a radio stadium last September. So yeah, right, well.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: That's a really good context. That's why. And I never
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I never presumed to be an expert, So that's why
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: we got our intrepid producer here helping us out. So
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: thank you to producer. All right. Next up on the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: list here, Ryan Garcia is officially set for February against
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Mario Barrios. Last scene drawing against Manny Paccio. So how
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: much longer is Ryan gonna keep getting a shot after
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you know, popping for the PDS. Uh losing his last
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: fight against Not here's another losing and not really performing well.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Canello lost against Cover but he looked good in the ring,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: he was putting in the work right, did not do
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: very well against and just did he he lost? You? Okay,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you mentioned before that everybody wins ugly and that's fine.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I think losing pretty is also okay, you know what
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like, if you put.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: In the effort, losing and drawing pretty can keep you
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: from making money, Like you can make money by doing that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, my roach is a perfect example of that, Like
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: you're not necessarily lose. But he had a couple of
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: draws recently that that has his name, a lot of
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: discussions going forward, and all the good fighters, the great
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: fighters always have one fight where it just they don't
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: have their fastball, but they still find a way to win.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: The objective was always the win. However, when you lose
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and it's ugly, he looked disinterested. You on the path
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to four pm fights you want to do on the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: way you could. You keep sucking around, losing fights that
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't lose and look disinterested. Because here's the thing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Once you're just interested, we're just interested. And once that happens,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it's over and you don't get it back. That's the
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: thing too. Once you failed so many opportunities and even
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: buster apeds and you don't have nothing going on outside,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: it's over and people don't have time. Beka is the
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: one thing I will say about boxing. There's somebody right
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: now working their ass off to make their debut sometime
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: this year, and that's gonna fight every month until they
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: get to where they got to get to fight every
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: thirdree months and then every six months, so they ain't
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: got time for people like this. This kind of stuff
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: is eventually that washed out, and it's getting watched out
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: a lot sooner than it used to be back.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: In the day.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: This type of guy is Ryan Garcia type, Jabzuto type,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Adrian Broyn type to where yes, you had boxing skills
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: or you're athletic or whatever, but something was wrong with you.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Those guys lasted thirty forty to fifty fights. That's not
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: happening no more, there's not. People aren't dedicating Tom resources.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: That foolish just no more.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: So if he's not.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Coming correct next month and he loses, it looks bad.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: He gonna be a streamer. He's gonna be a streamer,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Henna be a part time boxer. He's gonna be fighting
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: when they got so when they set up the chairs.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: The chairs are regular ass folding chairs. You'all see the
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: mlife and the Caesars and all that shit, that's just
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the cover they put over them, regular ass hard seated
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: folding chairs. All right, He's gonna be fighting when they
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: setting up them ships, not putting the paddle or just
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: setting up the chairs. I'm telling you, man, you can't
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: have somebody lap luster outings and boxing them. It's just
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the sport is different now, for for better or for worse.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: You just can't do that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: You can't now. I definitely don't want to get another
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: situation where I straight up say Ryan Garcia is gonna
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: lose and he's gonna look like shit, because that's essentially
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: what I did with David Date Devin Haney, and uh,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: you know, he shut my ass up saying his career Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and he needed to but you know I I was
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: also speaking based on what we had seen from him
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: going uh in the past, and yeah, we haven't really
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: seen a lot from Ryan Garcia. I mean, his his
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: big win against Haney was tainted literally literally and then
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you know, lost the lost the tank, lost to Rowley
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and again lost to Rolie. Was looking like he wasn't
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: even really awake in that ring.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: So I am all the respect to Roli. Rowlan is
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: a guy as a tune up fight guy. He is
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: not a guy that should be putting you to the breaks,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: like that's the guy that you get ready for your
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: next fight with.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I'm there kind of where you
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: said with Ryan Garcia of like losing interest again, still
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: gonna watch because I just enjoy watching advice. And I
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: do like Mario Barrios. I think he did he probably
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: should have done better against old ass Matty Pacio, but
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you know, same thing. He was there to many was
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: there to really make a statement, and he did. And
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I don't blame Mario about his performance. Plus it was
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: a draw, so let's let's be clear, but he did
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: look good in that ring. I'm how about this, I'll
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: say I'll say what I'm hoping for I'm hoping that
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Mario Barrios comes back, beats Ryan decisively, and then yeah,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: he just moves on to streaming, to you know, being
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: on TikTok whatever he wants to do.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: You know, if if he's got a he's low on
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: subscribers for his YouTube channel, he'll fight at four pm,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: make some cash and then just kind of kind of
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Playbox, you cannot play boxing. Boxing is very serious.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: You gotta be serious mentally and physically in order to
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: be good in boxing.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: You can't be halfway in halfway out.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: If that's the case, and he will not be fighting
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: that much longer because the demand to see him will
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: go lower and lower. Now he become a streamer and
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: then box down the road or whatever. That's cool, whatever,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: But there's like serious fights verse serious guys.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: If he gets blown out in this fight, it is over.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: It is over.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: He will never fight under the bright lights on a
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: serious card again if he loses this fight.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And just to be clear and not to you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: sound like I'm being a hypocrite or that I going
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: back on anything I said before. After Devin Hamiy's winning
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I said I was excited to see a remac between
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: him and Ryan because I wanted to see it done right,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to see that version of Devin Haney
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: fight Ryan and see like if you could really really
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: out box him and you know, kind of take the punishment,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: avoid the big power shots that Ryan has, because again,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: he's a big puncher, and anybody can get caught with
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: a really really strong power punch. So I'm not going
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to say that he is absolutely he has no chance
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: of winning by any means. But I did say, and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I stand by that. You know, I would have rather
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: than Ryan fighting Mariobados, I would rather them run it
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: back with Hani, and you know, see what Haney learned
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: from his his own lackluster fight.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: If you're a Hani, can you trust Ryan to be
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: serious for a fight?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Can you risk wasting another full year dealing with this guy?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily the pds or whatever that's obviously a thing,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: but just the overall behavior of a fight, So in
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: a fight, you know, so you really trust that he
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: is mentally physically prepared to fight and market a fight
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and not tape pds and not be dumb for six months.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know all.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: That's that's fair. I mean definitely the version of Devin
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Haney that we saw at his last fight, his let's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: call it his big comeback fight. That was a man
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: who took his goddamn job seriously. Like that man knew
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that he needed to put in the work and and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: look better than he ever has before. And I think
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I think he might He might have actually that that
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: fight against Brian Norman and his fight against George Camboso's
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: or like right there for top tier Haney performances neck
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and neck. So yeah, I would say that this let's
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: call it Haney two point, Oh HATI two point should
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: should not be messing around with with Ryan Shenanigans. Okay,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: that's not a really good point.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: With that being said, Devin Henny is a guy that
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: is a good looking guy.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: But he fights like you did last time, he can
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: be pretty marketable. Like these are the things that we need.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: We don't need.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Guys washing out the sport is not healthy enough for
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: guys that have a name and reputation to wash out
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: like Ryan Garcia washing out of boxing is not good
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: for the sport. That's a guy that needs to be
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: somewhat good at least relevant enough to fight several big fights,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: will be on several big cards at least because he's popular,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: people know him, he has a following, so you need
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: those things. If he watches up, he gets beat next month,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: and it's bad. He's on the he's on the pre
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: six PM fights going forward. If he fights again, it's bad.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: It's not good for the sport. And I'm not a
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: fan because I don't do shenanigans, but we don't need foolishness.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing too, people aren't paying for unless
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: you're dealing with Jake Paul and all them them types.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: But no one's paying. No one else paying for foolishness.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I guess if he does, we're gonna see the Jake
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Paul's big comeback against Ray Garcia is kind of his
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: next the only thing left for him to do, uh,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to keep his name in lights. Well, you also kind
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of just triggered something here that I wasn't thinking about. Uh,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you mentioned Ray Garcia needs to be serious for the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: good of the sport because he has a name and
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: he's known, but he's known on social media. You know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: he's a big social media star. Is is Maybe that's
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: what's gonna be the next thing. Maybe we're not gonna
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: have McDonald's commercials. Crossover stars aren't gonna be on the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Wiedi's box box crossover stars. They're gonna be you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: a huge on TikTok, and they're gonna be do TikTok
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: promotions and and uh, you know, going live on Instagram
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: promoting you know, different brands. Maybe that's what it's going
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to really show what a boxing crossover stars can be.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: You're absolutely correct. It's this era is gonna be different.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a crossover star of some way, shape
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: or form. The online is definitely that, that's definitely the
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: part of it for sure. But also you gotta be good.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: You can't be sorry and be a star. You got
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: to be good. And right now Ryan is very popular online,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: but in the ring he's sorry and his best performance
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: in the ring is tainted. So where we go, you
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: know where we go from here? Again, those things you're
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: putting on a fight card, I always tell people, whatever
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you also in the pay per view are the main
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: event the last The three fights before that are the
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: ones on TV. There's a bunch more before that. Right now,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: he's trending towards that way, and if a Mira Con
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: who was a better boxer than him, wound up at
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the four forty five fights, Ryan Garcia will two.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I let's be very clear with the audience here
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that isn't watching us on YouTube. We're both thirty nine,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you know we're not. I'm I'm on social media, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it's not the same way that like a twenty something
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: year old kid is on social media, so right, I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: also don't I can't gauge you know, what makes what
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: really makes it's like a TikTok celebrity, you know, just
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: because they come across my feet. I'll compare to this.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: This is what really makes me feel old is music.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: If I'm going through music, going through a playlist, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I'll listen to a song, you know, I mostly listen
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to that music. I hear a news I'm like, oh man,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: this song sound good. Let me check out their you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: their profile, and it says like twenty seven million listeners.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I literally just find out who the hell this was today.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: So that's how I feel with music, new music and
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: TikTok celebrities. I'm not even like crapping on them or anything.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Or you know, good, good for them. I'm not talking
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: bad about them. I don't life. You know, I'm too
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: old for that. My knees or my knees are not
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: a TikTok user's knees know so, So I don't know. Yeah,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: maybe you know. A crossover star is somebody that just
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: is huge on TikTok that I've will never hear of
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: outside the ring, and that's going to be great for
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: them and their brand. I don't know.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: But the key, the main thing is always the main thing.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: You can pop on TikTok on stream on another sport
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: with a celebrity couple on nine. You better not be
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: sorry in the ring. The ring is key.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: You better be good, you better be winning, You better
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: be putting on massive performances in the ring.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: That's the first thing.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Because people remember that, they won't remember anything else outside
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: of the wabbling in the ring. If you get dropped
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: in the ring, we will remember you for getting dropped.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: If you come out on a Saturday night fighting badly,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: we don't remember that. If you drop somebody early and
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: you fight in a good fight, you dominate a fight,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: we will remember that. We won't care about your streams
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: and your dances. After a while, that will wash out,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: but your performances that's what matters.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Very very good point. And yeah, we'll just see where
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: it goes for Raining Garcia. And yeah, while we're talking
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: about this, I realized that two losses in a no contest, Like,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: is that everything that's happened in his last three fights?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Because what if I fight on the way. Yeah, yeah, no,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: that's lost in.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: The no contest. You on the way to the ad man,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: it's only family and friends and audience. It's has the family, friends,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the judges, the one medic that's there that may or
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: may not be licensed to the real medic.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Don't get there till six.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: You know, you gotta have you know, you gotta have
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: respective man a people not here to play games with
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: you like they are not wait. Like the one thing
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I've learned about sports, especially boxing as of late, if
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: you were worked it, the resources are there, they're putting
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: it towards you. If you're not them. Four forty five
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: five PM fights might as well be amateur fights. They
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: might as be the Friday local fights at the local
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: the four round fight at the local gym or warehouse
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: or civic center or whatever. Because don't nobody care about
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: them fights, and ain't nobody in the area. Nobody's in there.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: It's very dog is it's so empty. You can hear
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: when a boxer gets hit the grunt they make very loudly.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: That's how empty the arena is.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh, it's it's got to be said. And
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's the same thing for other celebrities, actors
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that were on top of the world. And yeah, and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the thing about it is that I guess with something
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: like acting, it's not the same as you know, of
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: course it's crafty, got home, you got better at it,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: but you know, the world can just pass you by
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: there's a new, hotter, younger star. But with boxing, it's
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: like you just got to keep working hard and taking
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: your training, conditioning seriously and don't walk in the ring,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you know, glazed over like it just got out of bed.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Uh that have a plan like boxing is about making
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: adjustments mid fight. You know, you can come out with
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: an agenda, but once that agenda gets neutralized in what
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: And it feels like these boxes don't be having plans
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: when they get in the ring and adversity strikes, they
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: just kind of shut down. It's like, that's not what
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: boxing is. Boxing is about, you know, reading and reacting
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: to what's going on and making decisions mid fight, mid
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: round and trying to get a w and I see
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: less lesson. I see guys just totally unprepared, whether it's
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: them on their corner, and we're seeing them lose and
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't lose fights. They loseing fights they should lose,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And next thing you know, they on the verge of
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: full forty five fights, and that ain't good. I'll tell you,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: don't no one want to be a four forty five ya'll.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: You do not get women fighting at four forty five.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Anybody can be a four forty five fighter if they.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Put the body to it and they get in shape,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: all right, Ain't nobody trying to Ain't nobody trying to
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: celebrate going out to dinner with a full forty five fighter.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Ain't nobody Ain't nothing good on Instagram, on Twitter, on
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: blue stream, on uh TikTok, all the good women ain't
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: as a four forty five final like that.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: You gotta be that gotta be like a high school
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: sweetheart or somebody that you are locked in with.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Get no attractive women fighting fell forty five. Brou that
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: ain't that didn't happen, That's not gonna take place.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's the best way of the capsulated well.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: And you know what, we can even bring it back
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: will circle a thing that I think and I'm just
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: speculating again only speaking on vibes. I can't back any
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: of this up, but the allure of a social media
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: trying to make a star out of somebody that fights
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: just you know, not super great fighters, to try to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: build that person's career up because they had some hype
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: like a Brian Garcia liking Edgar Berlanga mind you, yes, yes,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: who are not ready for the big leagues and when
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: they do, they flame out, so they.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Anchor situation is different because I'm not a fan of his,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: but he can sell a fight because Puerto Rican and
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Puerto Ricans love Puerto Rican, so he will always get
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: ten thousand plus in a venue on the East Coast,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: primarily New York. However, you are right, he won't get
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: the four to forty five because he could sells. He
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: could sell tickets. That's the one disclaimer. If you can
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: sell tickets in twenty twenty six and beyond, you're gonna
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: be on the car, You're gonna be on the on
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the main card for show, because it's only half of
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: people who can sell tickets. So if they business still
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: business about how you slice it, however, performance was he
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: has a lot of four him A Wow, I'm not
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not impressed at all. I've never I've never really
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: been impressed, to be honest with you.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: No, And but I don't know if you remember what
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: his whole thing was when he was an up and
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: coming you know, the next big thing was that he
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: had like nine one round one knockouts in a row
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: or ten round one knockouts in a row, and you're like,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: oh my god, is this like a Tyson guy? You know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the guy's gonna put guys on the ground and fights
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: over in you know, one hundred and twenty seconds. Blah
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: blah blah. So I'm not sayking anything away from him
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: being able to knock somebody out in around one. I
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: can't do that shit, So let's be clear about right.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: But when that's sort of like what your what your
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: hype is, try to build you up into a star,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: and then you face some real diversity, you know, because
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: his his uh bedgro Berlanga. You know ten knock a
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: compilation on YouTube has like five million views. Blah blah blah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: You know that seems to kind of be the starting
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: up point for a lot of these young guys.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: It's cute, it's cute.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Eventually, you gotta win the good fights though, we don't
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: care about all the other coming fights. We just don't like.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. No one goes to someone's first ten
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: fights the first fifteen. We care about what's the now.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: If you're not able to win, these are competitive and
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: these were not caring. He's very lucky he has a
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: basically a race behind him because they will support. He
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: has a lot of support in New York, a lot
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: more than I thought he did, so that will help.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: But the boxing got to get better. There's so many
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: holes in his game to where it's like, yeah, you
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: should be better right now. But like you mentioned, if
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you're known as a knockout artist and you didn't develop
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: other set skills, this is what we get. You get
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: through the big time being hell of flawed. You run
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: against somebody that sound and then now you're getting dropped
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: twice in your hometown. So you're right, you're.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, and just goes to show ed ar Berlanga.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe don't bring Fat Joe out on your ringwalk. Yeah,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Fat Joe has been you know, it's been rough.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: You know, last time he's sung the national anthem or
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: he performed from the World series they lost. You know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: he brought out Berlanga last year long got embarrassed at home.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: He's been outed for lying several times on his podcast.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I think it's all in good fun, but yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: it's uh, Fat Joe's an interesting guy. But I've never
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: heard anything bad about Fat Joe for whatever that is worth.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, no, it's just kind of fun to
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: clown on him. To be quite honest with you, he
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: takes it.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: In good sport, though it's not like it's saying, yeah,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: he takes it in good spear. But at the same time,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: he's always The one thing I will say is he
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: will rep people like Berlanga before they become MAGA stars.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: So i'd say, puts it together, becomes a top five boxer, right,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Fat Joe just won't go attached to him, and Fat
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Joe rock with him at this stage, which I will
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: talk of respect.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. Well, that's all the Boxing News
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: is fit to print. Let's switch gears and move on
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: to our segment that we call it pop Pugilism, a
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: segment in which we discussed a movie or TV show
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: about boxing. Today, we are talking about a Let's go.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this an alleged comedy. I'm not saying
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: that it's this is a bad movie we're talking about,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: but it's listed as a comedy, and while I was
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: watching it, I'm like, so like where they're supposed to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: be chokes, Just to get that started.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: On this one, because whoever decided this one, I don't
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: know who our producer or whoever, but I wasn't a
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: fan of this one.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we're talking about Diggstown from nineteen ninety two,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: directed by Michael Richie, starring James Woods, Lewis Gussa Junior,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Bruce Dern and you know what, Allegedly Heather Graham, who
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: is in like two and a half scenes and disappears
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: from the movie at the end of it. But it
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: is very much like a movie about guys, and Heather
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Graham is like, well, she's pretty, and let's put her
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: in there looking hot and well, we don't need her anymore.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Let's just dumper before the end of the movie. But yeah,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's go ahead and start with
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you said, you know, what's what's the beef? What do
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you what's your beef with this?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: This wasn't in r so compared to the other items
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: we've watched over the last couple of years, this ain't
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: it why it doesn't meet it doesn't meet the standard
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: of the quality of films and documentaries, et cetera of
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: the other things.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: It's very it's kind of cheesy, it's kind of kind
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: of like whatever.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: It was like, No, it was a tough watch, just
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: not really like.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: It's it is what it is if it's a purpose
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: for what we need.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: But every pop vugualism film that we've had has been
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: better than this.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, it's interesting and that you that it rakes
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: that low. Yeah, I also started off and say I
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: didn't love it. I also didn't didn't find it that
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: painful of watch. It was more just kind of that
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, where is this Is this supposed to
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: be funny or what are you doing here? It was
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like watching a light hearted boxing drama.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I guess if you if I can described it that way,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: what here we'll get into the meat of the story.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: You know, James Woods is a con man. Brewce Den
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: is a rich guy and a small small town called Dixtown,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and James Woods tries to con Brewcetern out of a
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: bunch of money by betting him that they know a guy,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: a boxer named Honey Roy Palmer played by Lewis Gosta Junior,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: who can knock out is it ten guys? Ten boxers
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: and one night, And so they have a whole thing
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and it's all set up from the get go. You know,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: James Woods and Lewis Gousta Junior were friends from before
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Louis gost Junior retired. He was a professional fighter, just
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: done cash fighting. So he's basically setting this up and
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: saying like, you know, this is my guy, but he's
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: pretending not to know Louis Gosa Jr. And this one
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: is like it's like two movies. The first half is
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: all the setup, the scamming, the oceans eleveny type of like, well,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: how we're we gonna do this, sneak around, scam this person,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and then it's just like lots and lots of fights.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: So if there was a boxing movie that you're like,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: there's not enough actual action in the ring. The second
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: half is mostly that it's like a little too just
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: join it. It's like you see Lewis Gusta Junior fight
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: every single one of those ten dudes. So if that's
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: what you really want is to just watch, you know,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: actors put tend bocks in the ring, like, oh, you're
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be like a pick and chip. But yeah, I mean,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: it's hard to say that this is as much middle
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: of the road as I could possibly describe. There's nothing
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: really here that's super memorable. I forgot most of it
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: after it was over, to be quite Oh, I.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Forgot most of it while watching Okay it was bad, Like,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: we gotta do better with the selections. Our time is
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: too valuable. That being said, God is given incomplete, make
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: it better. Incomplete talk can be nice, Yeah, because if
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I give a.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Number, its gonna be rude. Place. Wait, so you're just
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: saying you're you're choosing not to rate it at all.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm trying to be a better person. That's
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: what I deal with on a regular occasion.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: You know, wanted me to be nicer this year. So
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: I told her I would do my best to be
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: nicer this year.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: And of not being rude, and we cannot give negative numbers,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I would just call it a complete member. In school,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: when you did a homework time it bad, they just
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: put complete. See me at the class.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: That's what it is to see me at the class.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: It's a complete.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: It's a I'm gonna call your parents you are your bullshitting.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: But I can't say that because it gets the rules
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: as a teacher. So I'm just gonna put incomplete. And
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: God is race for my memory bank. Get ready for
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: the next film that we're gonna watch.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I think say all of that
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: is ruder than just saying negative one.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: You just tell me our producer said, be rooting all caps,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: so I listen.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: So, well, this is I'm gonna say this. I've seen
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: the way worse movies than this, but I'm kind of
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: loving how much you hated this movie seems like movie. Yeah,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I mean so agreed, Yes, it's trash, it's not good,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. After I could name like ten
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: other things that I hated more than this. What was
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: it specifically that just rose your eyre so much.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: So my biggest issue comes to any movie is that,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: like you said, I gotta be able to find the
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: identity of said film right away within first like fifteen
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to twenty minutes.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: What are we watching? Like, what are we doing here?
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: My might And I'm like t have with TV shows too,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Like if I don't get it within twenty minutes, I
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: will automatically like to start doing this stuff because mentally,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I'm always occupied with thoughts. So if something comes around
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: that's better or different, I'm onto the next. So that
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: being said, this just had no flow to It was
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: not engaged. It was it wasn't based on a real story,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: not like that. Like, so I'm like I and they
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: like said it wasn't. They tried to fund it, but
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: it wasn't. It was cheesy.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: It just was not. Nah. Nah, that's that's fair. That's fair. Yeah,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I get that too, especially since we're
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: getting older. You know, I stopped hate watching things I hate.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Watched so many seasons of Dexter to the point where
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm never doing that again. If I just
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: don't care, I'm not gonna watch the next season of
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: whatever I believe it was seasons three or four. Stranger
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Things was on my list for honestly, like over a year,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not going to watch the ship.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just not. I'm sorry, Like, even if it's amazing,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not really don't feel like getting invested or trying
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: to get invested. So I just took it off so
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: that I understand. Yeah, I guess I don't know. Maybe
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I've just seen a lot of more bad movies that
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: I found this just generally was like inoffensive, you know,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: didn't really like brock my World. Either way, I'm not gonna,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: you know, just say it's the worst we've ever seen.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I like the Wisconsin Jr. I think it's probably like
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: the best part of the movie. Oh and Oliver. We
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: mentioned Oliver Platt. Oliver Platt. I forgot to mention that
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: he's in this. I always love him. He's always he
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: always comes to work. You know. James Woods. I was
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: used to be a huge fan of James Woods back
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: in the day, Video Drome, Awesome movie Casino. He's totals
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: come back in that his personal beliefs and opinions do
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: not rock with at all, so I'm less likely to
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: enjoy watching James Woods these days, but also he is
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: a dude who just plays scumbags most of the time. Honestly,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: if you think about it, the TV show I watched
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: that TV show Shark for way longer than than most
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: most people did because I got canceled. So yeah, don't
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: rock with James Woods video drome rules. But that's because
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: David Cronenberg is amazing. ID I kind of feel like
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I had more to say, but you kind of you
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: kind of summarize it perfectly. There's no point. I mean,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: see me after class. You're bullshitting and uh we did
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: top to Priends. You know what, James Woods and Lewis Couster,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: you need to call Michael Ritchie in the studio MGM
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: to have a meeting with me after class. M This
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: might be my favorite, This would be my favorite segment
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Papili yet well, you know what, Jameson in honor of you,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: we're gonna rate the well usually rate movies out of
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: four gloves. This one is good. Is gonna get a
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: big fat in complete from me as well. You know
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: you're I don't even know how I'm gonna like put
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: this on the YouTube channel. Usually I put up the
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: graphics of the gloves, but uh, okay, no gloves, not
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: even a negative. Uh, do not watch Diggs Town starring
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: James Woods, Lewis Gussa Junior, Oliver Platt, Brews Dern, and
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: allegedly Heather Graham And uh, how about this next time,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: We'll make sure to pick an actual good movie and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: uh that's it for that segment. Well, we'll torture Jamison
• 59:08
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• 59:11
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• 59:13
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• 59:15
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• 59:19
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• 59:24
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• 59:27
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• 59:30
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• 59:32
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• 59:34
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• 59:37
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• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:07
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• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:25
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  Speaker 3: No and no rocky movies either.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: We got it. We have to talk about it, don't
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: let's not do that. We have to talk about at
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: least one Rocky movie. You got it, at least one
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: at some point.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, so, here's an issue of Rocky, like it
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: goes against everything that boxing really is for, Like they
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: deliberately went out and got the most unathletic white guy
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: they could find to make him heavyweight champion of the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: world and time where black people dominated that division and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: got times for Rocky and his hero is want to
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: be hero ass motive.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I'm cool.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: We can maybe one of the newer ones, right, maybe
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: one of the spinoffs, maybe that I can I can
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: do like a creen or something like that that I
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: can rock with that. But I'm not doing No Rocky too,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: like we no, I mean, I saw it, but we
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: ain't doing that shit.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: We welcome and beating brother ain't happened on my watch,
• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:48
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• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: watching no damn Rocky too.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: He'd be dude, No, no, sir, no, no, that's.
• 1:01:56
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• 1:02:01
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