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Ep. 041: Daniel, Wyoming. Steven Rinella talks with Janis Putelis, Chris Gil, and Garret Smith from the MeatEater Crew. · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless,
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  Speaker 1: severely bitten in my case underwear listening to podcast, you
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  Speaker 1: can't predict anything. Okay, we're outside of Daniel, Wyoming. You
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  Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. Earlier, Um, I had looked
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  Speaker 1: at I was looking at this, uh, a gripping grin
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  Speaker 1: picture where a dude had shot a big orange sheet
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  Speaker 1: and it had collar, had a tracking collar on it,
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  Speaker 1: and I got to talking about how there's no way
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  Speaker 1: in hell I would shoot a big game animal they
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  Speaker 1: had a collar, because well I think about animals is
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  Speaker 1: their untouched nous, the idea they haven't been touched, right,
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  Speaker 1: they're wild? And that one to get one they had
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  Speaker 1: was wearing like a collar. I'd be like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but someone was messing with them, probably not far from here.
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  Speaker 1: Jana has pointed out, tell tell what you pointed out
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  Speaker 1: about ducks. I didn't point that out about ducks, but
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  Speaker 1: I thought you did the bands on ducks. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: cool for dudes to wear the necklace, right. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: that's Chris Gil. Uh you were born in Grand Rapids.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Gill, who's never joined us before. It was born
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  Speaker 1: in Grand Rapids, where I went to regular College where
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  Speaker 1: I went to the end of regular college. Where'd you
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  Speaker 1: go to college? Fair State University? Big rapids up there.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about you know about chippa chipa hay Marsh. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh really yeah. We used to catch muskrats and beaver
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  Speaker 1: and hay marsh. I see, I didn't like dinker northern
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  Speaker 1: pike in a canoe in hay Marsh, but I like
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  Speaker 1: the atmosphere better. We'd hit it on in the X
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  Speaker 1: through the ice and we looked for Morrell's up there
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  Speaker 1: and didn't find them. But I had this gal. I
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  Speaker 1: was kind of dating a little bit who was Bosnian,
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  Speaker 1: and we're out looking for Morrel's and she found a
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  Speaker 1: deer fahn. Really, I mean this thing looked like it
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  Speaker 1: had just fallen out of a dope. Slimy no but
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  Speaker 1: fresh son. You know, I was saying, man, there's no
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  Speaker 1: way in hell I'd ever shoot animal wearing a collar?
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  Speaker 1: Was he? Are you sure it was you? The point
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  Speaker 1: of this out? I think so, I said it as
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. You know, someone pointed out, well, why is
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  Speaker 1: it good or fun or cool to shoot to get
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  Speaker 1: a duck with a band. It's I can't explain it,
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  Speaker 1: just is. I would like a duck with a band
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  Speaker 1: that seems mysterious to me, not just that it invites
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  Speaker 1: mystery because you're gonna find out information about it and
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  Speaker 1: it's probably was banded hundreds if not, you know, potentially
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  Speaker 1: thousands of miles away. That's exciting. Elk or a deer
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  Speaker 1: wearing a big collar, I don't know, man, There's no
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  Speaker 1: way in the world I would shoot it because it
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  Speaker 1: just wouldn't feel like, well, it's not like the next
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  Speaker 1: time you go elk and you're gonna like throw the collar,
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  Speaker 1: you like, strap it on your backpack or put it
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  Speaker 1: on your neck, and it's that way when you run
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  Speaker 1: into somebothing like, oh dude, you got that one with
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  Speaker 1: the collar on it. I see. You can't leave it
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  Speaker 1: land because that's that's like oh, I know. But like
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  Speaker 1: the guys with your lanyards and the bands, everybody puts
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  Speaker 1: some other lanyards. It was kind of like a status thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like how many little duck bands you have
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  Speaker 1: on your lanyards. That's what I'm saying, because duck bands
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  Speaker 1: are cool. Tracking collars, I'm big game animals are uncool. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But like I would saying, I think it would be
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  Speaker 1: cool if say you did shoot at Colic or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and you thought, oh, yeah, she must have just been
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  Speaker 1: trapped right here, or they dropped raft of helicopter right here,
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  Speaker 1: let her go. But then you found out that no,
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  Speaker 1: she was trapped from here, and you got all this
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  Speaker 1: interesting information from still wouldn't like I can't. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: acting like it's rational. I'm not acting like I can
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  Speaker 1: explain it clearly. I'm just saying when I see and
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  Speaker 1: I have seen a handful of in my life, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you have to ex the thumb through hunting
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  Speaker 1: magazines where you see a fella could be a woman.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think I have seen that a fella.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're the thing wearing a big like those
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  Speaker 1: big white collars. My thing I always think is it's
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  Speaker 1: just I'm like, that's weird. Yeah, I don't like that,
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  Speaker 1: not now that I don't like it. For him, that's great, great, fantastic,
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  Speaker 1: But for me it kind of feels domesticated. I got
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  Speaker 1: a question for you. Does it relate in parallel? Just
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  Speaker 1: thinking about it to like you're in this beautiful mountain
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  Speaker 1: seen and you stand atop this rock and you're like, man,
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  Speaker 1: this is great. I'm probably the first guy here. And
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  Speaker 1: you look down there's like an old dr pepper can
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  Speaker 1: or something. So it's like you thought you were in
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  Speaker 1: this place of you know, of I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: to call you. So if you look down and found
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  Speaker 1: some old and I have some old asked cartridge where
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  Speaker 1: the brass is actually corroding, and you look and it's
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  Speaker 1: like a make that you've never even seen before, that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: If I look down and see a mountain dew can,
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  Speaker 1: that's not cool, but an old one. But does it
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  Speaker 1: it had to be some old ass mountain dew for
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  Speaker 1: me to think it was just don't know how long
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  Speaker 1: they've been making mountain dew? Does it speak to Initially
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  Speaker 1: you brought up that like an animal that's been you know,
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  Speaker 1: messed with, had been handled. It gets rid of that
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  Speaker 1: sense of like elusiveness. And it would be the same
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  Speaker 1: with finding that. Yeah, there's certain like, yeah, when you
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  Speaker 1: get an animal. I mean I had this conversation with
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  Speaker 1: someone recently. When you get an animal, you're taking possession
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  Speaker 1: of it. I pointed this out to another person who
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  Speaker 1: likes to hunt, in fact, is my brother. I point out, like,
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  Speaker 1: when you take an animal to take possession of it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, legally it becomes your property. And he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just don't think about it that way. I don't think like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's mine. He goes, I I have access to it,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think that I've taken possession of it.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like that to me, But in some way, um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would feel that like a like a animal wearing
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  Speaker 1: a tracking collar with like a tag and its ear,
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  Speaker 1: I would feel like somehow, um, you know, it would
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  Speaker 1: be more like I got it at the yard sale.
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  Speaker 1: Then then then that it was like this thing that
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  Speaker 1: that are that he had lived this life and this
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  Speaker 1: was his collision with a human. Yeah, does any part
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  Speaker 1: of you think about like but maybe it doesn't, but
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  Speaker 1: affect like harvesting that animal. Does that affect the research
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  Speaker 1: that whatever agencies doing on that species? That I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but I know that yes, yes, and no. I imagine
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  Speaker 1: sometimes they put the thing on there and it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: functions for a certain amount of time and the styles function.
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  Speaker 1: I remember one name. At one of the points when
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  Speaker 1: wolves were in fact delisted and they had some wolf seasons,
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  Speaker 1: they were asking people to not to try to avoid
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  Speaker 1: shooting collared wolves because they were getting a lot of
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  Speaker 1: valuable information off of collared wolves and it was actually
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  Speaker 1: helpful and and and figuring out predation, you know, elements
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  Speaker 1: of predation from livestock and other things. And there was
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  Speaker 1: like saying, like, don't get the ones with the collars.
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  Speaker 1: There might be cases where people want the collars back.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not like this is like something that happens.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a conversation. We had the second conference
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  Speaker 1: kind of I just add one collar story here. I
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  Speaker 1: want a collar story. I was passed on a cow
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  Speaker 1: with a collar on it, so you know what I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about. Totally, she she totally got the free pass,
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  Speaker 1: but just happened to running the game. One who's been
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  Speaker 1: working this country for many, many years mentioned this to him,
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  Speaker 1: he says, and this is about two thousand and ten.
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  Speaker 1: He says, well, that's interesting because the last time we
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  Speaker 1: didn't callering on elk there it was all adult cows
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  Speaker 1: that we collared, and it was in the late eighties.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I was like, well that was awesome to
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  Speaker 1: hear because like you hear about cow's getting el getting old,
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  Speaker 1: but to hear about the cows like I mean, sure enough,
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  Speaker 1: she could have been migrating from some other coloring and
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  Speaker 1: study from way far away with that general area, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with those two kind of you know, piece facts put together,
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  Speaker 1: it was saying that that cow is, you know, twenty
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  Speaker 1: plus years old. There was a big collering study going
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  Speaker 1: on along a proposed highway route in Alaska where they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to punch They've been trying to punch in the
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  Speaker 1: road for a long time. There's a lot resistance to
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  Speaker 1: this road. But one thing they're doing is they're doing
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  Speaker 1: an e I S environmental impact statement, and so they
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  Speaker 1: had a bunch of different animals collared in the area.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to figure out movement patterns and predict the
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  Speaker 1: way in which is rolled my impact animal migrations. They
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  Speaker 1: had a collard moose fall into a crevass and die.
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  Speaker 1: A Collard grizzly scavenged the collard moose's carcass fell in
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  Speaker 1: there with it and died, and it was later scavenged
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  Speaker 1: by a collard wolverine. Now that it's a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: collar and that's a collision of collars is what I
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  Speaker 1: would call that. The second thing we're talking about is
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  Speaker 1: uh is Yanni's teacher company. He's like trying, He's start
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  Speaker 1: thinking about doing like this retro this's like retro thing.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that he wants to make like old timey like
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  Speaker 1: when you were a kid. Just how old you your
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  Speaker 1: thirty six seven? I'm forty two, Gil, So you would
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  Speaker 1: not even remember these kind of hats. Yeah, like when
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  Speaker 1: I was ten and you went out to go sledding,
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  Speaker 1: you put on a certain type of hat and had
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  Speaker 1: a ball on top. Yeah, fit a certain way and
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  Speaker 1: it was designed a certain way. You don't wants to
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  Speaker 1: start making those that are like hunt to eat so
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  Speaker 1: you wear them. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it's like, um,
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  Speaker 1: it's like you know what should be called. It should
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  Speaker 1: be called like look at me instead of hunting. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you should make a retro head. Well I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand why, just because I want to make it
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  Speaker 1: hats that that you can like wear a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of style out into the woods, so you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to be forced to like wear like the goofy orange
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  Speaker 1: stuff that is currently made out because it's the law
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  Speaker 1: to have the orange on. Yes, it's the law had
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  Speaker 1: the orange on, but it doesn't say that it also
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  Speaker 1: has to be goofy a hunter's orange. Yes, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I had, I liked. Well, I still don't like it,
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  Speaker 1: but that makes it different a little bit. I think
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  Speaker 1: you should make a hat. My grandpa Canny used to hunt,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like the only person my family used to hunt.
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  Speaker 1: And he used to wear like a big trucker hat
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  Speaker 1: that had flaps on the inside that would full down,
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  Speaker 1: but the whole thing was just like really padded and
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  Speaker 1: it was real old time he invented. It's like the
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  Speaker 1: whole hat was almost made up like a foam Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there was foam on the inside everything. Grandpa Grandpa Kenny. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that name makes him sound like he had that hat, right, Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because if you were like my grandfather Theodore, my grandfather Parker,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't hunt ship sony. Oh yeah. Talking about your
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  Speaker 1: your invention there where you got going on the hunter's
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  Speaker 1: warrange hat. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a hunter's orange hat,
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  Speaker 1: and it just has a little more style than what's
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  Speaker 1: currently available. Are you to have it with that thing
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  Speaker 1: they do in those old hats where the design makes
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  Speaker 1: it look like it was cross stitched in No, No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so um, I could go full on like,
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  Speaker 1: what do they like the like the Alps kind of?
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  Speaker 1: Would you like that one with like the tassels? No,
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  Speaker 1: that's the Andy's not. Sorry, No, I don't like that
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  Speaker 1: because I look at that and I think that the
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  Speaker 1: when I see someone wearing one of those, I make
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  Speaker 1: I make an assumption that they're so left wing that
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  Speaker 1: I would have a hard time hanging out with them.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: It just seems like a vegany hat. In Andy's hat,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: our good friend Joe Rogan, I told him just that.
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  Speaker 1: I told him, you look like a radical. You look
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  Speaker 1: like the radical left when you're wearing that hat. You know,
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: not that that's bad. I don't care. I got a lot,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kept his ears warm. It probably did. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Yanni's Hunt Eat you guys came out with a commemorative
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: you guys came out with a T shirt for b
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  Speaker 1: H Day, where um, you're giving proceeds the proceeds you're
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  Speaker 1: not even taking out the costs of you're taking out
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  Speaker 1: the cost of the shirt. Yes, so all the proceeds
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  Speaker 1: go to b h A. It's not like this one
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  Speaker 1: percent bullshit You're like from that one shirt. So Yanni
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  Speaker 1: just caught him a check for seven hundred bucks. You
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  Speaker 1: don't even selling them that long? Yep, well we should.
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  Speaker 1: We had a booth at the b h A rendezvous
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  Speaker 1: there um at the beginning of April, and um, so
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  Speaker 1: thanks for everybody that supported us. But yeah, like all
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: the all the profits we've made, we ended up being
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: basically a seven check to b h A. Now a
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: lot of business fellas would I would think, like, man,
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  Speaker 1: I should have been selling the other shirts because then
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  Speaker 1: I would have kept all the money. Are you looking
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: at games? Are you playing the long game thinking that
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: this will in the end make you money? Are you
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  Speaker 1: playing the game of like I just want to support conservation, definitely,
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  Speaker 1: trying to be business smart and do the right thing. Yeah,
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: northing I wanted to bring up, we just ate beaver.
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  Speaker 1: Damn that beaver is good. It was delicious. It's like
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  Speaker 1: it's really good. Yeah. Well a little more on that, no,
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  Speaker 1: because that's gonna lead into a whole earth thing. I
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: was up in Northing. We just say I had some
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  Speaker 1: bear meat, um coastal a coastal black bear, and I
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  Speaker 1: made I had one last big chunk of my freezing
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  Speaker 1: right just and I did a wet Brian for four days,
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  Speaker 1: salt sugar water. It's very simple what I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to do. At the same time I was trying to
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  Speaker 1: I was spending. I was kind of like in charge
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  Speaker 1: of not I was largely in charge of my little
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  Speaker 1: kids for a couple of days, and that doesn't happen
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  Speaker 1: to be very often, all three of them. And so
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: at the same time I'm trying to like really keep
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: that whole thing moving along. Um, I was also trying
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  Speaker 1: to make a bear him. So I made a simple
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  Speaker 1: wet Brian salt of water, wet branded for four days.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Put in my smoker a pellet, you know, a pellet
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  Speaker 1: grilled smoker, started smoking, the piss off. It ran out
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  Speaker 1: of the pellets. Put in my oven, kind of forgot
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  Speaker 1: about them. The oven came back, found it. It had
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  Speaker 1: gotten up to like a hundred and eighties some degrees inside,
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: cooled it off, put in the zip lock, brought it
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: down to whelming. And that's some of a bitch. Tastes
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  Speaker 1: like salmon, good smoked salmon, though it tastes like fish jerky.
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  Speaker 1: It's like those bears eat so much fish, it just
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  Speaker 1: is in them. Sometimes I don't mind it, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: sometimes like, what do you think of, Chris? You haven't
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  Speaker 1: eat a whole chip piled bear meat in your life,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: have you? Man? That might be the It might have
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  Speaker 1: been the first bear I had, I think, unless we
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: had it on another trip. But I thought it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Tastes like, yeah, you eat it and you think you're
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  Speaker 1: eating salmon, but you know it's red meat. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: tastes like fish jerk tastes because it's like smoked salmon,
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  Speaker 1: but red meat. And I can't believe the brianing alone didn't.
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  Speaker 1: It's in there. It reminds me of something that happened
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  Speaker 1: another time. Coastal bear killed early June, and I can't
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  Speaker 1: let that. We thought about this earlier. We killed a
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: coastal bear early June, and UH borrowed my neighbors smoker
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: up in Alaska. Smoked bear him in there whole daymn
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: like femur and everything, smoked bear him and his smoker,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: and we were eating it. And I went to him
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: and said, man, you need to clean that smoker route
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  Speaker 1: because it's so caked up with smoked salmon, grease and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: Did it molested that contaminated my bear? Him? He says,
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  Speaker 1: I've never smoked fish in that smoker, you don't know
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  Speaker 1: what you're talking about. And I now realized it was
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  Speaker 1: just that that fishy taste that the coastal bears get.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe it's just smoking. Because I the same bear
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  Speaker 1: that you smoked. I did at least two or three
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  Speaker 1: recipes with it. I wonder about that too, because I've
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  Speaker 1: eaten a whole bunch of it. We're eating it as meat, candy,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: pot rolls. I don't know, like smoking it enhances the
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  Speaker 1: fish flavor? Did you like Garrett made a breedo out
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  Speaker 1: of it? I really like that. I couldn't stop out.
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  Speaker 1: I was just thinking, could you smokes with beaver too?
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  Speaker 1: But do you think you get like the Omega three
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  Speaker 1: from the fish after this processed through the bear? You
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Yeah, No, that's a very good question,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: like if they would like to know. Yeah, I at
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: one time we're down doing um. You know that those
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: those species to flot they call him flying carpet, the
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the asiatic carp that I've gotten into the Mississippi and
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Ohio rivers um. It's like the big head carp the
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  Speaker 1: silver car which people call the flying carp Anyways, we're
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: down bow fishing for these things, and there was just
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out what to do all these
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: damn carp and this guy had this thing set up
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: where he was taking the fish and and like basically
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: cooking them down, shredding him and kind of drying them
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: through this weird process to make fish oil. And he
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: gave me some of that to sip. But I was
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: sipping that fish oil and it does It's like, that's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: very similar. So that is the taste, So it might Yeah,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be that. It might be that the fats
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: that his fats have incorporated those kind of like the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: fish oils what we're tasting in that bear. Maybe yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: maybe that's super good for you mane. So that's like
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: a multivitamin almost. Be that's a good way looking at it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that home and give it to my
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: kids because they don't know that. They don't know that,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: like regular meat, red meat is not supposed to taste
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: like fish. So since they don't know that, I bet
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I give it to him. I bet they'll walk around
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: eating it and think that it's really good because they
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: won't know what to think. It's weird, you know, When
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: does that happen when you think it's weird? Because it
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't weird to me, you know what I mean? You
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: don't think it's weird that you're eating red meat that
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: tasted like dead salmon. No, but I think maybe because
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you foreshadowed that it you know, could have that flavor.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: But oh, you know what I mean, you wouldn't have
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: otherwise come up with it. Now, I may have thought
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it was odd if you hadn't been like, you know,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: this tastes very fishy, But it wasn't weird once I,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you know, knew what to expect. The other thing we
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: were eating is the beaver, Garrett, give me youright, Like,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: what's you take on the beaver? Had you eatn that
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: growing up? No? I've never had, not that I knew of.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe my dad did the same thing. Maybe
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: we ate it and I thought I was beef because
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it tasted very much like a you know, a big
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: game or beef pot roast. So maybe, but no, it
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: was really good. Yeah, I did. I love that beaver, Chris, incredible,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: incredible beaver. What about it? Like? Give me some more?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I wasn't saying that Miss Gill wouldn't like it cut up,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you'd have to trigger. You'd have to trigger because she
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't like all the the graphic bones and on tendons
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and all that ship. So you gotta like shred it,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: pull off. You just gotta pull off the bone. But
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: she doesn't need a lot of red meats. And then
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you gotta there's a whole thing you gotta trigger with
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: for as part of this talk about what happened with
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: your rabbit when you were cooking up rap? Oh? Yeah,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So I didn't kill the rabbit, but I got a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: rabbit from our Kentucky trip and I took it home
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and I was like feeling all confident about cooking wild game.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And the first step in this recipe that I found
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: for brazing it was to brown it. And I like
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: hadn't brown in any meat before. So I go to
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: brown it and I don't do it long enough, which
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I've sensed today learned how to do it. Uh, and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: it just ends up kind of looking gray and then uh,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I braised it and then it just got greyer. And
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: then I pulled it out and it's like, you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the back ham on it, it's just like a bone
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and really great meat. She just was not into it,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and that she was already kind of like not into
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the idea of eating it, and then that just totally
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like pushed her over. Would she be into gray beaver?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I have to cut it off. You'd have to. You'd
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: have to really trigger. Man. Actually, you know what I
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: think if you put barbecue sauce on it. We're both
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that way, like we'll put pretty much you anything barbecue
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: on it. But yeah, you'd have to have a trigger.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: But you were digging it. I loved it. I thought
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: it was great. It's like beef, like the consistency and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: like the texture was like a beef pot roast. But
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: it tasted like it had like like a little twang
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: in it, like a good twang laid up in Yeah. Yeah,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: So it was like a very intriguing taste. Yeah, what
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: do you think about ni? Yeah, it's delicious. Every time
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I've cooked his up to that point, I think of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: massed it more because it was in a stew. I've
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: done Kentucky burgoo a few times that had beaver in it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I had and sausages, but this is nice. We really
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: got to, you know, taste it for what it is,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and it was just you know, carrots, onions, potatoes, a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: little bit of red wine in there, and you just
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: there's no way someone could call it out, I'm eating beaver.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I was pointing out to the fellas here that during
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the colonial period in America, or in the colonial period
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: in you know, the New World or North America, when
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the Spanish and French had a big early presence here, Um,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: they had okay, did that because the beaver has a
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: scaly tail and lives in the water. They had said,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you can use it as a fish substitute for your
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Lenten meals, which just strikes me as just so peculiar.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: But I think they had people here in a in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a difficult situation where they just weren't it was hard
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to be observant if you didn't have access to fresh fish,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you know, so you could be like in the desert southwest, right,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you might not have access to fresh fish, but you
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: yet canyon bottoms full of beavers, and they're like, you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: feel better about yourself. Eats and beaver. Where we're at
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: right now is how many miles six seven miles I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: think seven from the confluence of the Green River and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Horace Creek, and it's the site of the it's one
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: of the mountain man rendezvous sites, so of I can't remember.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: There was a dozen rendezvous fifteen rendezvous. Six of them
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: were at this place where we're at. So we're trapping beaver.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: It turns out to be we're trapped a beaver within
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: eyesight of the mountain man rendezvous place. And the favorite
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: mountain man food, A favorite mountain man food was be
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: ever tail. Um. Anyone who reads about mountain men and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: reads that, and you see it around and and we
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: used to debate what it meant, like what exactly meant
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and how you cooked a tail. And I was up
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: in your old stomping grounds, Big Rappids. I used to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: go up to Big Rappids. My brother was he He
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: went to four colleges by the time he finished regular
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: college and went to two more for other later degrees,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but one of them was Big Rappids. And I would
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: go up there in December and January and we would
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: trap beaver through the ice and we add I left
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the beaver laying around somewhere at his place, and they
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: were a drinking beer and got to talk about this
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: whole beaver tail thing, and cut the tail off beavern
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: just stuck in the oven for a while, pulled it
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: out of the oven, messed around it, and they're like,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I just don't get what this is all about. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: don't see that it's edible. I don't understand what it means.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And then we honestly had a said when they said that.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: The when they said that the Mountain men like to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: eat beaver tail, were like, it must mean they like
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to beat beaver hams or beaver thighs. So we started
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: stuffing those down into a crock pot and cooking them
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and it was surprisingly good. Then I later learned that
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: it is the tail, but you gotta get like a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: beaver in the fall and he's got a big thick tail,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and you stick his tail next to a fire, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the skin on that tail bubbles off and you can
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: scrape it away, and underneath there is is what I
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: can the best way to describe it would be like
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: grizzle on a steak, just white, fatty grizzle. And it's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: hard to picture it being good unless you think about
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: what it would be. If you're just we're not getting
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: any oils or fats in your diet, like you're eating
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: lean asked me all the time, and you're not putting
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: olive oil on everything and putting butter on everything. You
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: get where you just want that oil. Similar to the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Eskimos in their seal Yeah yeah we're out on new Yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: we're on now Nevac And they were saying that which
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is the island out in the Baring Sea? And we
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: were with some what what what's there? Yeah, chupicks chupick,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: eskimo And someone's gonna call in and be like, oh, no,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it's not eskimo. That's a negative word. I asked the dudes,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: what should I call you? Do? I call you and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: ask Himo and he's like, what in the hell else
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: would you call me? Didn't? Yeah, in my whole life,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like the Eskimo, like Eskimo hunters to be like, oh,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it's a derogatory term. Don't say that. It's like, well,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: apparently someone hasn't told this guy because this guy I said, like,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you sure it's not into it and he has like Nope,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: more eskimos chupicka. Anyhow, they were saying you can starve
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to death on tom cod and people have, but if
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you dip in oil, steal oil, you're fine, stay alive.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: That's interest with the oil there, because didn't they wait
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: till all the oil was out of their salmon to
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: smoke him. But that was because it was because it
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: would drive faster. That was Yeah, that was some other
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: issue where Yeah, that was a weird I think we
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: ever talked about this. So they you know, usually when
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you target fish, like when you when you're targeting salmon, um,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the best quality of salmon is ever gonna be in
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: like his highest quality. He'll be in his before he
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: goes up a stream to spawn, so he's at his
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: most fit state, the highest fat content state, because once
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: he enters the river and starts going up the river,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: he's not gonna be eating and he's gonna you know, deplete.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And a really long river like the Yukon and these
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: other rivers where the fish is gonna travel hundreds and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: hundreds of miles, they're particularly fatty when they go up
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and so those are great fish at the mouth, real fatty.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: So generally that's what people want. But yeah, these dudes
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: are telling us that they don't fish chum salmon until
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the chums go up and spawn out and kind of
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: start dying and drifting back down river and then they
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: like to catch them because they drive better in their
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: climate because they don't smoke. They just hang it to dry,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and they have in a cold ass wet ass place,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and the oily fish never drives right. It's an interesting
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: trade off though, when you're obviously lacking those calories that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you're just total around a bottle of seal oil, buckets
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: of it and they just drink it or they dip
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: dip stuff in it. We went out with him and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: caught tom cod through the ice and they had taken
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: just shaved like the whole damn fish. You know, it's
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: frozen because like the many catches frozen rocks. They take
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it in the house frozen and just slice little like
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: sushi slices off of the tom cod. And then you
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: take the toime cod still frozen, and it looks like
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it's about the size of I mean, it's like what
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: are those little square and like those wheat then I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: don't know, like a cat like a piece of wheat
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: thin fish. And then they dredge it and that oil
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and it's a peppery oil, man, like a very peppery
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: They spice it or just that's all you do. I mean,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: they were saying that the kids have gotten into soy sauce,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: but they wasn't their scene. The older people don't like
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it that way, but they salted or anything, just nothing man,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and they're protective of it. We're trying to get off
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the island with some seal oil. We're like, well, come on,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: reach out, ask some friends please we left. I think
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of that might have to do with them
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: being leary about the Marine Mammal Protection Act, like their
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: exempt from Marine Mammal Protection Act, and there's probably a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: lot like you know, um, you know, there's a lot
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of restrictions on who takes you know, like white guys
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: are you know, general euro Americans can't hunt marine mammals.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: They can hunt marine mammals as indigenous people. So that
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the I what I took away from that is there
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: might be like a leer nous to be taking by
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: products from marine mammals and doing something that might be
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: construed as bartering with them or you know, putting them
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: into other people's hands, perhaps with those seal hats that
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: they were trying to sell us. Following to that, that's
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: a good point because they would try to sell seal hats. Yeah,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: what the hell? Yeah, I don't know, I don't understand it. Yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that's not definitely not it because you could leave with
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: a seal hat. A matter of fact, we got off
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the plane there and there's a dude leaving with the seal,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the white guy leaving with a steal hat. I don't know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: expensive seal hat too. Oh well, what's better beaver hat
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: or seal hat? Like, just because we've been talking a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: lot about I like to be a beaver hats better
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: seal has pretty has a flashy hat, yeah, depending, I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: think what was the ones that we would look that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: buying were like a spotted seal maybe, and so it
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: was it was literally like this bleach blonde with black spots.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: It's very flashy. It's like a look at me kind
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: of had Yeah, the locals had, I think harbor seal,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: ring ring seal. So it's kind of like it's almost
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: like more like like the beaver's like a brown undertone
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: with like a kind of like a just a light
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: highlight to the tips of the hairs. Way more low key,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you know. That's the one we were kind of trying
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to search out, but didn't happen for us. Yeah, it's hard,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: like they can pull it off. The Eskimos can pull
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: it off, but I don't. I don't know if he
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: made it up, but Ronnie Beam always said to me
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: when I worked from when I was younger. He said, uh,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: never wear a hat that has more personality than you do.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And there's another thing saying like, never wear a hat
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that says hello before you do. And I feel like
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I can have on a beaver and muskrat hat that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I caught my own, Like if I'm gonna wear fur,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: it's gonna because I caught it, right, I'm not gonna
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: go buy for from some other dudes. Like I'm not
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: gonna buy meat from some other guy and bring it
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: back home. So I feel like I can have on
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: a fur hat that I caught the fur and I
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: can feel like I'm not the hat's not saying hi
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: before me, you know. Yeah. But to have that kind
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: of white seal hat with the black spots on it,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that's some bitches saying high from waiting. Yeah, you can't
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: shout it enough because those be like, oh it's a
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: seal hat. They're gonna be like what the world's that had? Yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: But about the mountain man. So here's what a mountain
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: me was. Now you got like I probably love do
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you guys, are you guys clear before we had this conversation,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: are you guys clearing what a mountain man was? Well,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was an era of specific Yeah,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it's not some jackass on TV. It's not some ja
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: casked on like a reality TV show who pretends to
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: be doing like mountain manny ship. There's no more mountain
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: men as a thing now. When people who don't know
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: what the mountain man was talking about montam and they
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: think it's like a hermit in a cabin, But in fact,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: mountain man. We're the most well traveled, widely traveled individuals
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of their era. A mountain man. Let me just lay out,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: A mountain man was first the mountain man era. Okay,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: we but we did the louis there, the US made
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the Louisiana purchase and we bought the western US. Okay,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: under the Jefferson presidency. Eighteen o four to eighteen o
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: six was the Lewis and Clark expedition. They went out.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: They had a handful of man dates about some various
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: routs they might find to get across the country opening
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: up trade things. There was some talk that they might
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: find Willie Mammoth's and that was of interest to Jefferson. UM.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: But one of the main things was for fur trade,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: established connections for the fur trade, suss out what's going
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: on with fur trade opportunities out west. One of the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: guys with him was a dude named John Coulter. He
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: was a hunter for them. They didn't even get back,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: so they're going eight four eighteen o six. They didn't
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: even make it back to St. Louis, and John Coulter
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: ran into some other mugs going back up the Missouri
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: as the Lewis and Clark exhibitions coming down the Missouri,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and John Coulter was excused from the expedition and went
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: out went back up river to trap beaver. Historians kind
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of regarded that as the beginning of the Mountain Man era.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Eighteen o six, the Mountain Man era kind of came
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: into full bloom where there was a very organized trade
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of beaver pelts kind of came into full bloom in
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the early eighteen twenties. UM. That was like the hey
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: day in the Mountain Man era, and the whole thing
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: petered out eighteen forty. At that point, a couple of
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: things are going on. Historian is gonna argue about it,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: but a couple things are going on. One, beavers have
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: been really whacked back hard, really trapped out, so it
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: was becoming not quite worth the chase. To give an
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: idea how good the chase was at a time, there's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a story about a group of mountain men like they
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: would call himself a brigade of mountain and there twenty
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: of them that the winner of twenty four trapped the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Bitter Root Mountains. There was twenty guys. They had two
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: hundreds some traps and they pulled five thousand beaver, which
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: was an absolute fortune. Um, that's the heyday. There's another
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: guy who was working a loan trapper, a lone mountain
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: man work in the San Francisco River, Arizona, and he
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: caught five d some beaver in a in a winner.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: That's a fortune. By eight forty, b were petering out
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and the price was plummeting because what they were using
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the beaver for a they're making wolf felt to make
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: felt hats. Silk had become fashionable and so the demand
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: for bea repels had collapsed and that was the end
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: of the mountain man era. You had two kinds of
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: mountain men. He had company trappers who were based like
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: contract trappers, and he had free trappers. And people generally
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: regard free trappers as being the cool ones. They went
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: out on their owner with a partner, trapped sold their
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: beaver to the highest bidder at a thing called the rendezvous.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And there were you were just researching this, Joannie, there
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: were so rendezvos. Would be dealers would come out from
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the east and truck out all kinds of guns and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: axes and kettles and buttons and needles and saws and
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: axes and butcher knives and calico and uh flint's lead powder,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: all kinds of ship that a person would need. They
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: would truck it out from the eastern wagons. You don't have.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: The very first one they didn't truck out a single
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: drop of alcohol, was that they're afraid of people gett
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: too drunk. No. I think it was just a straight
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: up mistake, and they have been a bummer around because
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: picture Okay, So, so when the rondevoue happens, the dude
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: trucks out all the equipment and they meet it just
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: in a high they just meet in a mountain valley somewhere.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: They meet in the summertime. They meet up in a
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: high place, so there's plenty of feed for horses because
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: hundreds of people are going to turn up there. They
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: would be an established period of time all these trappers
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: who have been working the Rockies east of the Rockies,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the main stem, main spine of the Rockies west of
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the Rockies, everyone would convene at this pre selected location
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to trade in their beaver for goods and money, mostly goods.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Then they would fan back out the trafficking. For a
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: lot of these guys, trappers especially, that was the only
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like human interaction you had outside of the group of
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: guys you trapped with. And they would party their asses off,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and we're at doing some doing a little beaver trapping
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: at the main rendezvous site, which was called what Daniel
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: they call it, but what did the mountain men call it?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Horse Creek or they call it mm hmmm. Because they
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: would winter the mountain would winter in Jackson Hole. They
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: oftentimes winter in places they had a little bit of
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: inversion type quality, like low valleys that stayed kind of nice.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: But they would meet here and I don't know what
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: they called this particularly rendezvous site. Cash Valley, Utah was
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: a rendezvous site. Um, maybe just Upper Green River. Upper Green.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: They had more rendezvous here than anywhere else, and the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: last rendezvous was here. So that's what a mountain man is. Now.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: If you did the composite drawing of your average mountain man,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: he was a dude. He was like a guy who
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: grew up on a farm in you know, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Grew up on a farm. We had a lot of
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: wander lust and heard about fortunes and adventure to be had,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and made his way out into the wildest place imaginable
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: at the time, having no real idea what he was
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: getting into, and came out with a very high likelihood
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: of having a violent death at the hands of Native
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Americans who did not take kindly to this imposition on
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: their hunting lands. Many, many, many mountain men were killed
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: by Indians. A handful were killed by grizzlies, some were
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: killed by each other, some were just killed. No one
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: really knows. You know, the Laramie Range here in Wyoming.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Larry was a mountain man. He hadn't even been out
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: one year, got killed. Some Indians killed him, cut a
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: hole through the ice and the beaver pond, stuff his
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: body down in there. His buddies didn't find him. Then
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: he wound up with a town, a mountain range, and
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the river named after me. He had just shown up
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: in town. Everything he got around here named Bridger. Wasn't
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: he wasn't. He didn't have any big discoveries. Jim Bridger
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: probably the most famous mountain man. Um Bridger Pass, Bridger Bowl,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Bridger Canyon, Bridger Creek, Bridger Montana, Bridger Mountains, Bridger School, Coulter.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: For a while, Yellowstone was called Coulter's Hell. Now it's Yellowstone. Um.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Hugh Glass just had a damn movie made about him.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: There was like, you know, it was some there were
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: some swash some swashbuckling mugs and they did some extraordinary feats.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: There's some of the coolest people. I mean, they were
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the you know, the first guys that do everything, the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: first guys to go everywhere out of want and to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: trap beaver. And now you get like people like, oh,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I wanna be like a mountain man, and they think
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna like that. You'd live in a cabin
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and be Hermidy. I'm like, no, if you wanted to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: be a mountain main, here's what you would do. It's
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: like people like be like, oh, I would have been
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a mountain man had I been alive then, But okay,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: you're alive now, so let's find your equivalent. Your equivalent
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: would be that you're gonna go down to Brazil and
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: travel up the Amazon River for several months until you
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: are eventually kind of like walking off into the jungle.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: That's the equivalent. Or that you would go to this
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: might be a better equivalent. You would go to Afghanistan.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: You'd go to the Afghanistan Pakistan border, not speaking the language,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and go wander around up there hunting. That's a mountain
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: man move. That's the equivalent. It's not you have a
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: little cabin and you you know, make your own bunk bedding.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: It's just like read books on winter. Do you know
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like they were the most well traveled.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: If you look at a map, but where Jedediah Smith?
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Where Jed Smith? Where all he went? So he first
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: guy to cross He's the first guy to reach the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Pacific through by by crossing the Mojave Desert. Gets over there,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: gets imprisoned. No, gets over there with a bunch of guys.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: They trap a whole ton of beaver in California Sacramento Valley,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: get raided by Indians, kill a bunch of jet Smith's guys,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: steal all of his beaver. Pelts goes in, gets held
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: prisoner by the Spanish. The Spanish send some guys out
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: to try to recoup some of his beaver. Pelts gets those,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't get to bring him home, gets sent back over
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the rock Key Mountains, winds up getting killed by some
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: command She had a water hole. Oh mauled by a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: grizzly So his buddy sold his scout back on and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: he always wore his hair long, so he's embarrassed about
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the scar. On there zigzagging back and forth across the country,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: going places no one's ever been before, wanderlust and openness
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: to other cultures, because a lot of these guys would
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: go and wind up taking Indian wives, joining Indian tribes,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: learning new languages. And now we have this idea that
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: mountain men are like these, like xenophobic agoraphobes who you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: don't travel around and experience new ship. Do you know
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying that tough dudes, man, tough dudes wanderlust
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: because it's yeah, it seems like almost the beaver were
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the vehicle for the exploration, Like the exploration was the priority.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that they could make money was like think,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: it's hard to say, but I don't think anyone's like,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I've run all the numbers in the best
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: way for me to get rid to go out and
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: get my head caught off by some you know, by
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: some black feet. So it was convenient for a wanderlust
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: type of spirit too, that beaver was a high demandic
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: moodity exploration. Yes, if you want to go on let's
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: let's say you want to go on a like a
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: doll sheet hunt. You know, you like the idea of
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the doll sheet because of where he is in large measure,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: like if he was somewhere else, he wouldn't be as
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: interesting where he is. What would be what would be
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the vehicle that would take you into unknown places in
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: afghanis Stan, in Pakistan? That's a good question. Would it
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: be like just just just winging it? Like would it
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: be like the mercenaries? I mean, even though there's a
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: political and a management yeah, so it pays. I heard
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: it pays well. Yeah, and it gets me to this
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: place that you know, Yeah, you're drawn. That's a good point.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: You're drawn. Yeah, there's the idea, there's the outward justification.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, you could get very wealthy, just like a
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: lot of guys who are contractors and you know, mersaries
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: out of word. Yeah, I mean it's definitely the right
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: word that they don't know one refers to themselves as
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: a mercenary. But sure the contractors that go do work there. Yeah,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: it pays really well. There's also a really good chance
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you want to be with your head cut off, but
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: you're drawn to it. Yeah, you see some stuff you
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: want to see otherwise. But that's always kind of burned
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: my ass about the way people use the term mountain
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: man and it's not like what a mountain man was.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I'm getting to something about that about them eating the beavers.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: They are good campers, yeah, unbelievable campers. When I think
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: about the when I think about the feats of the
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: mountain men, or like even Daniel Boone who was sort
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of like a precursor of the mountain and like Daniel
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Boone went over the Cumberland gap, like through a pass
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: in the mountains, went down in the Kentucky territory, was
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: going on a two year hunting trip, most of it
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: by himself going along. He was making his own gunpowder
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: out of back gwando that he found in caves. And
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: you think about I can't even imagine sleeping and cane breaks,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: trying to walk across down trees and not leave tracks
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: because he knew that the you know that he was
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: very likely to get killed as a trespasser. And you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: think all that, and you like he did it without
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: a flashlight, Like when it got dark it was dark
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: in the mountain. Man, all that crazy ship they did
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and everybody trying to kill him and getting killed by
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: like no flashlights. I can get like, yeah, they didn't
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: mock And it was like, okay, I understand that. It's
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the lack of a flashlight that blows my mind that
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you can never be like what was that in line out? Yeah,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: be like what was that? I don't know, just we're
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: never gonna find out. It was ten ft away, but
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I can't look over there. Oh my god, that must
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: have been nerve wracking paranoia. You're saying that earlier, right,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: like they just must have existed in like such a
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: state of paranoia all the time. Yeah, and Garrett you
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: at that point PTSD like, yeah, that was good, Like Garrett,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: because get onto the A think the way to wrap
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: all that in is how we guys talking about the
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: PTS did the Mountain man. It is because you were saying,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: how when it was all said and done, if they
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: if they had a couple of good years and they
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: were smart, they just go back to Virginia by themselves
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a farm, live fat, right. Yeah. The richest man it
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: was talking about John Jacob Asters like Astor plays in
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: New York. The richest man in America, and some people
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: argue the richest man in the world at that time
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: was the guy who got involved in the beaver trade.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: He went out, spend some time out, figured out that
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: got involved with the fur company, figured out that there
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: was a thousand, one thou percent mark up on beaver
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I had sold in Europe. Got to thinking that that's
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: where the money might be. Became the richest man in
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: America off beaver pelts. I think he also reversed that
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: mark up to the goods that came from East to
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the rendezvous. I think that was a similar markup. Yeah,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I've I've read that that the that what they were
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: paying for a hatchet and stuff was absurd, shrewd business man. Anyways,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: after five or ten years of sleeping in willow thickets
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: on floating mats of grass, then when you're hanging out
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: this farming in Virginia, man, you just don't fit in anymore.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe no, I think so. In uh, yeah, so Garrett
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: brought his idea of PTSD. We're talking about what happened
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to John Coulter. So Coulters, he was part of the
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Lewis and Clark expedition, was the first guy to pass
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: the Yelstone Park. What I keep saying, the first guy
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: to do this, and that I'm taking a very like
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: euro Centric approach. I'm talking about like my euro Mayan
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: ancestors or that that aspect of my culture. Surely Native
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: American's pasted the Eulsto National Park, but the first euro
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: American to do it was John Culture. They called the
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Culture's Hell. There's also another thing that Coulter's name is
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: attached to, which is Culture's Run. Coulter and another guy
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: were trapping beaver near three Forks, Montana, and they got
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: caught by the black feet, and black feet filled his
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: body full of holes, chopped them all up, uh, cut
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: his guts out, cut his balls off, smeared his guts
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and balls on. Coulter um got it and got them
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: all red with blood, and then gave him a running
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: head start, and then they all chased after him to
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: go catch him and kill him. And Coulter's version of
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: it was, he was running so hard that he ruptured
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: a blood vessel in his nose and pretty soon had
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: like prodigious amounts of blood coming out of his nose.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: He was running so hard, and he could hear a
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: guy right behind him, and when he spun around, his
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: sight like the sight of him with so much blood
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: and he's already a mess and blood just gushing from
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: his nose, the sight of him like startled the guy
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: so bad that he was able to kill that guy,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: overcome him and kill him. And then he ran. And
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: legend has it he hit up in a beaver lodge,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: winning a beaver lodge entrance of an old lodge, and
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: got up under there and hit and they looked for
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: him and look for him and look for him, never
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: found him. That's Coulter's run and then there he is
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: no gear, no clothes, no gear, and crawled his way
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: back to help. I told that story, and Garrett brought
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: up like this idea of PTSD, like how could you
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: live through something like that? And they had no terminology
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: for it, but how could you live through something like that?
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: And then you're supposed to go back east and like
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: go to the PTA meeting to be a gentleman Mary,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: And that got us talking about A. B. Guthrie's fantastic
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: mountain man book, The Big Sky which is where when
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: people call Montana Big Sky Country, it's Abe Guth's book,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: The Big s Guy. It's a very well researched the
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: fictional tale of a mountain man. And he has that
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: he comes out west and lives his life, and he
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: goes back and he absolutely does not fit in and
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: winds up getting himself into tons of trouble. And it's
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: like that he's like he's a this amazing hero here,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: but he goes back and he's a damaged man. He's
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: damaged back East, just so used to a different culture,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: in different way of being. How long did he live?
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Which guy? Uh? Well, I guess I want to know
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: about both culture and the guy in the story, oh,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the guy in the story. It winds up being that
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: he there's another book where he becomes a guide. Because
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of the mountain and became guides. So right
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: when the mountain man era ended, the Oregon Trail was
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: getting going, a lot of those guys they knew all
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: those passes and all those routes, and they knew a
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: lot of the language. Is a knew what was a
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: good idea and what was a shitty idea, and uh,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: they became guides. Bridgert became a guide. Many of them
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: became guides. Some went back to farm, some became guides,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: some became businessmen, some became ranchers, some went into the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: like the Organs of lamb At Valley and you know,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: started orchards, a variety of things. But um, the guiding
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and like the frontier guide and to be like a
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: frontiersman was something that came out of Kick Carson had
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: been a mountain man. Wild Bill Cody had been a
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: hide hunter, you know, but not a mounta man, but
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: a hide hunter. Um, so yeah, you got into other
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: lines of work. Bridger did some actual guiding, recreational recreational
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: big game hunter, from Germany who came out and made
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: a mess. Right last name of Gore. He actually wore
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: his welcome out. He came out and just killed hundreds
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: of everything. He was like a dude named a beautiful
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: mountain range after him in Colorado, didn't He was like
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: a dude going to Africa times like about a thousand
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: when he came to the Great Plains. The de terminology
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: come from his like you know, Gorri or Gore. I
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: definitely don't think so it was that proceded to him. Yeah,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I definitely don't think that was it. It's kind of
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: ironic though, so doing all this and uh, let up
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: to I was having some beaver meat tonight, and beaver
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: meat is like I feel like, I feel like if
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: if if someone worked at it, I think that someone
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: could promote it and popularize it, you know, because it's
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: a completely like right now, fur prices are low, so
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: the value you know, they used to sell beavers for
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: wolf felt nice of beavers for fur garments. Beaver prices
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: are like they're not They're they're essentially valueless right now,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: like the cost of fuel and the cost of equipment.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: You could never recover it no matter how many beavers
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: you caught because it takes time to skim them and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: flash them and dry them, which is like they're they're
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: there's not worth the pursuit. But that's a good question though.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Is so it's legal to barter and sell the for
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: a fur bear, would it be legal to do that
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: with its meat that I don't know. I'm saying this
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: because I'm so far beyond the statute of limitations. But
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: when I was young, when I was in high school
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and college, I would sell beaver and muskrat meat to
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: sled doggers. I doubt that I was breaking a law.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: It wasn't for human consumption, um, but I would sell
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the meat to sled doggers. I would They would give
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: me like this guy would give me five from from
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: five to seven for a beaver carcass, and like two
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: dollars maybe one or two dollars for a muskrat carcass
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: after I took the hide, so I'll get the hide,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: so the hide for you know, five dollars, six dollars,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: four dollars, and then turned around, I could sell the
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: carcasses to the sled dog racers and they would grind
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: him out, give him the dogs. And this guy insisted
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: on a race he fed beaver meat to his dogs.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: On a race, he said they raced better on beaver
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: than anything else. He'd give them a lot of horse
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Other times lame horses, he'd he'd butchered the horse,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: boned it all out, boil it up and feed that.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: But on when on a race beaver meat, he said,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: they just tore it up on beaver. What was I
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: getting ante before that? So? Maybe how long Coulture lived?
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Did you answer that? No? I did that. But some
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: about eating beef on a popular make it popular? Oh yeah,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like someone could promote it and keep promoting
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: the idea of a very underutilized resource. That if you
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: live in a good beaver area and you get yourself
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: a fur howe verse to the licenses a license, you
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: could fill your freezer with beaver meat and eat beaver
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: and live off beaver meat in your family not have
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: to buy commercially produce meat, eat beaver meat, and then
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: get everyone you know a sweet beaver hat and beaver mittens,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: and that could be like your deal. You know, people
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, he's a big white tailed guy.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: He's a big turkey guy. Like he's a big beaver
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: guy and just be your deals trapping beaver. Why is
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: it that it's not like that. I don't understand why,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: and like people like before this trip, I was like, yeah,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: who the hell is beaver? And I feel a lot
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: of people feel that way, like produced be so common
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: to think about what else saying about the Catholic Church. Yeah,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: it's so weird that this thing they try to do
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: that with the nutrient, try to get it to catch on.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: One of the reasons might be that beaver has, for
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: legal purpose, has been regarded as a fur bearer. So
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: if you're a guy with a small game license out hunting,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to shoot a beaver because like animals
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: have legal method to take. The legal method on take
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: is it's like listen, as a fur bear, you have
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: to be a licensed fur harvester, then you have to
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: follow the legal method to take and usually you gotta
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: catch it the trap. Well, unt, you said, Canada, right,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: they can. Here's a lot. There's many places. There's many
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: places and many people that are allowed to shoot. But
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: in lower forty eight, I don't know. Well, it's funny
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: because like Colorado and they're kind of like bullshitty wisdom
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: banned trapping. They didn't want fur trapping, so they banned
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: fur trapping. But anyone who's got a damage complaint, So
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: they used to have regulations about how to take animals.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Now anyone who gets a damage complaint and they hand
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: them out like candy can kill beavers anyway he wants
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: to kill him. So now anyone wants to get rid
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: of beavers, Yeah, you can get if your buddy goes
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: and files for the damage complaint thing in Colorado, you
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: can go out and hunt beavers of the twenty two
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: what a blown up dynamite. So it's like they gave
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: up sort of a regulated pursuit in favor of mayhem
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: in the name of being humane. Well, what about What
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I was curious about is like it is beaver more
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: common as a food in Canada because it's more accessible.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: So many of that native cultures like there's this, there's this,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Uh Richard k Nelson. There's an anthropologist named Richard K. Nelson.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: He wrote up great book called Make Prayers to the
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Raven about the about the Koyakuk Koyekon people on the
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Koyakuk River. Yeah, man, big thing for them was to beaver.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: That's some interesting theories too. They didn't think that you should.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: You know, everyone now, I guess it's been a long time.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: How long has it been that everyone's been like really thirsty.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: That everybody always talks about being the hydrated and everything.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: There wasn't like a thing when when we were kids,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: no one was the hydrated. We were kids, I didn't
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: start drinking water. Two my dad got kidney stones. This
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: way off topic. But when he got the stones past
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: kidney stones, and it was somewhat caused by dehydration at
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: a very young age, he was like drinking water. But
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: before that he didn't drink water. That was a singular event.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: My father did not need to drink water when he
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: got a headache. He didn't go like, oh I must
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: be dehydrated. It was like they were just fine. I mean,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: he fought his way across Europe during World War Two,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden everybody got de hydrated.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Do you know George Carlin talks about this. He's like,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: when did everybody gets so da him thirsty? They all
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: carried canteens, you know, But it wasn't like now now
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: there's like there's this thing where everyone blames everything on dehydration.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: That look, yeah, it was not that. It was not water.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Right now, I got rumming if I'm drinking water, So yeah,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: what was I getting at about this? They're at some
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: point it was about that book in Canada. It's such
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: a hard time track him out, and thought, oh that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: they had the coy Kan warn people don't drink too
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: much water, especially if you're a hunter, because water only
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: goes downhill, and a water logged log does not float well. Therefore,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: don't be eaten, don't be drinking water. It's an interesting
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: parallels there. They were worried about people drinking too much water.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: That did not do you good. You're not gonna go
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: up a hill fast if you drink a lot of water,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: that ship goes downhill. And they had another thing. They're like,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: no man would shoot a bear that's not in its den.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: It's you're a pussy if you do that. A real
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: man goes down in the den and kills the barrier
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: while it's sleeping. Yeah, that's you hook a rope to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: it or a cable to it and drag it out
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: with a snow machine and then kill it. Because anyone,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: any chicken chick and kill a bear out walking around?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: What's this tribes there? That's that's interest the coykon. So
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Richard K. Nelson spent a lot of time with them,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I think, I think starting the sixties, but definitely the seventies,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in them, and then wrote
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: about their relationships to food and relationships and different animals
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: and their feelings about different animals, what animals they felt
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: were smart, and what ones were good to eat, what
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: ones are bad eat, Like a very elaborate taboo system.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I think you know this one. I talked about a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: bunch of times where I think that we only use
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: we use the word taboo as a in somewhat derogatory way.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: We have about like other cultures that we think less
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: of us are like, oh yeah, they have all these taboos.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: We're full of taboo. We don't use that term. We're
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: like we have ethics or you know, we have taboos.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: We have a taboo system, like, for instance, we have
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: a taboo against eating dog. No one articulates it that way,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: but we have a dog taboo. We have a house
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: cat eating taboo. To an outside perspective, they'd be like
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: those people have a bunch of taboos. They won't eat
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: dog because more people in this world live in a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: country where it's comedy eat dogs and don't. So somehow
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: in our taboo system that we've established, uh, we have
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: got an the idea that you don't eat beavers north
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: America's biggest roting. I feel like it is an idea
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: about squirrels too. I was you took the thought out
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: of my head. People are like, oh, squirrels are dirty.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: What do you want to eat those for? It? Really
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: eat those? They're good, man, It tastes good. I wasn't shot.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to promote it anymore because I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: love my quiet squirrel woods. I love eat my squirrels.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Like I'm over promoting it. I did my two years
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: of promoting it. I'm gonna shut my trap and just take.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: And you just found the s. Yeah, it's just found
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: what no one listened. If you took you could take
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy and tell Kevin Murphy, you draw me out
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the primo squirrel locations of this country. And this is
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: a man who has devoted his life to the squirrel.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't know to even go near this spot with
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: a pen if he if you said Shaden the primest
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: squirrel country in the world, he wouldn't. He wouldn't come
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: within a hundred miles of its greasy squirrels. To Yanni
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: has discovered giants and he's kind of like we shared.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: We texted the picture to Kevin Murphy and you don't
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: get it a lot because that dude spends some time
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: outside and he's getting after it and he has nobody
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: to be jealous of. But he replied with I am
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: very jealous. He called male squirrels bucks, you'll you'll get
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: one of like it was a buck or what was
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: he called female? Not a dough bucks and sows? Maybe? Yeah,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, I know, I think it's born
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: South born. So yeah, what was amazing about that scroll
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: hunting day? And I told you I think I called
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: you from the location and we had hit that spot
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: at daylight like a good scroll hunter would, did a
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: big loop, spent an hour and there are three of us,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: did not see a squirrel, saw some sign. Come back
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: at like eleven o'clock in the morning, do the same
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: loop and we almost killed twenty Yeah, what's up with that? No,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I would say what they're feeding on? But I feel
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: like it would be risky because you give up the spot. Yeah,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: because if you described where they're nesting and what they're
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: feeding on in a very astute listener Kevin Murphy, Yeah, okay,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: And I remember when he saw that picture, he was
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: already getting in there trying to talk about he had
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: noticed some background evidence and was trying to do us
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit about what was going on there. I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: remember he had some comments about a type of tree
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: in the background. This has nothing to do. I'll sew
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: this out there because it's gonna throw people off. I
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: just met a dude in Kansas who they hunt squirrels
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: out of uh pecan orchards. That's gotta be a good
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: eating squirrel. Yeah, he said. Sometimes it's just ridiculous with them.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: And he said permissions aren't any problem because people gotta
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to lose their crop. I think he
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: was calling him peacns. I grew up Pecanca pecan. I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: think it's like a Mason Dixon line thing. Garrett. What's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: your concluding thought or thoughts, man, I don't care. Well.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: It would be similar to the squirrel with the beef,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: with the beaver and all these farmers and ranchers are
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: you know, they're a nuisense. They're paying people to get
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: rid of beaver. So get paid. Eat it when you're done,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: make a belt buckle out of the tail. That's my
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: concluding thought. Yeah, Gareth oldman has a beaver belt buckles
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: for like twenty years or thirty years or something. Beaver
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: tail belt buckle. He told me about that when you're
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: old man told me about I mean he still wears it.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I got like a image of it. It's just like
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: the tail, you know, stitched onto a metal belt buckle,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: just like you would leather. Yeah. I like that man,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: that nice scaly black tip. No, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: my concluding thoughts gonna be a thing about that. It's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: a parable um my brother, he I think we were both.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: My brother was living in Bozeman. I was there for
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: a while, kind of living with him and helping him
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: with his with his work. And he had this friend
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: who had gone to Hawaii years before, had gone to
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Hawaiian a vacation, and while in Hawaii bought himself a
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and eel skin wallet, so a wallet made out of
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: eel skin. That wallet served him nicely for seven years
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: He later had occasion to go back to Hawaii. He
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: calculated out how many years he figured he had left
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: on Earth, divided that by seven, and bought that many
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: of those eelskin wallets. My god, so he set. You
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: know what, that's my concluding thought. I might make beaver
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: tail wallet two. Well, I'm not kind of years. You know,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: how old are you? How many you're not that? Yeah,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: you might make two and a half to get you
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: through the rest of your life. I'm halfway done being alive. No, yeah, yeah,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: forty two, I'm halfway done. And squirrel and stuff you
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: go ninety five? Yeah, maybe, but no, it's like it's like, really,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: something I think a lot about is being halfway done
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: being alive. Chris concluding thoughts. How oh, man, I got
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: a couple? No, do you have all you want? Man?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I don't care. My biggest one is brown your meat
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: before he roasted that way, your meat didn't turn out
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: gray and grows. What's your next one? You got me?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm hooked now, man. I want to hear more. Rat.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoy eating rodents, and I didn't think I would,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: but I really like it. Keep them calming, Uh, don't
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: give Garrett sugar before Ben. Oh yeah, Garrett uh gets
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: night something called night terrors where you'd be sleeping in
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: a tent. You tell them, might be sleeping in a
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: tent down to Mexico, way way up in the mountains
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: where you don't where nothing really makes that much sense,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: and you go days out seeing someone. When you do,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: it's like a dude riding way far away on the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: burrow and you don't quite know what he's up to.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: He's got like a sack and a machetty. And then
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: in this atmosphere, Derek or Garrett has night terrors in
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: which he starts, oh my god, Sugar, Sugar is the
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: catalyst for those nights. I like it, man, I think
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: it's enjoyable. And he figured out what it like. The
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: safety is to get him out, to get to come
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: back to no. I just yelled his name. And then
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: sometimes like he woke up in the middle of one, right,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: and you're like kind of there and like you almost hallucinated.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Remember talking in his night tear, was that an avalanche
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: was sweeping through the tent. Yeah, yeah, sugar man, Yes,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: don't give this guy at ding Dong when you're out camping.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't just all the interesting things I learned.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I've got limited experience trapping captain beavers. We didn't learn
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: any technical skills. I mean I was doing a pretty
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: piss poord job. Yeah, but I learned how hard it
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: was because we had like basically twenty sets for a beaver,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: which is not does not a mountain man make. But
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: up until now I've been you know, around it. Like
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: he said, it's like, oh someone set too caught one
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: set one caught one um, and you can just see
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: how you could get into it. Just so much to
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: learn and think about and strategize and well, oh yeah.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: My concluding thought was gonna be that the anticipation of,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: you know, going to bed and when you have sets
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: out is equal to like you'd like, you know, you're
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: gonna go big game hunt in the morning. It's exciting, man. Alright.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: So Daniel from uh from nearby, Daniel Wyoming, Eat beaver,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Eat more beaver. Thanks for tuning in.