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120 8 Bigfoot Sightings in Ohio?! David Wolf Talks About the 2026 Flap · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Igubrater podcast. This is episode one
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Speaker 1: and twenty and we had on mister David Wolf. He's
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Speaker 1: a crypti researcher and a filmmaker. You can find him
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Speaker 1: at Exposingdstrange dot com or his YouTube channel with the
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Speaker 1: same name. We shortly talked about the what was it
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Speaker 1: called the Ohio flap that happened recently back in March.
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Speaker 1: You know, some strangest happened over there. It was like
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Speaker 1: eight different confirmed sightings by the Bigfoot Research organization. And
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Speaker 1: he tried to then get ahead of where they were
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Speaker 1: possibly going. He thinks they're actually like moving from place
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Speaker 1: to place, and he said he's found some interesting sign
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Speaker 1: over there. We started talking about why he decided to
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Speaker 1: be a big Burg researcher, a crypti researcher, better said,
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Speaker 1: and it was a very interesting conversation, had a lot
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Speaker 1: and enjoy this episode with mister David Wolf. How you doing, Tom,
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Speaker 1: I am doing good today. Man. Thanks for coming on.
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Speaker 2: Man, Hey, thanks for having me. And yeah, it's funny
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Speaker 2: that you mentioned Jody Cook because I just saw him
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Speaker 2: on Wednesday. I drove down to Cincinnati and interviewed him.
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Speaker 2: So I just saw him. Yeah, talked a lot about
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Speaker 2: dog Man and Bigfoot, so.
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Speaker 1: Very cool, very cool, So like it was kind of weird.
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Speaker 1: I's kind of very Briefly, we have thirty seconds in
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Speaker 1: the green room in the backstage area and you were
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Speaker 1: just like, oh, the weather's good. I had an interesting
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Speaker 1: morning today. You want me to tell you about it.
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Speaker 1: I was like, let's go ahead. And record first, So
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Speaker 1: do your favorite First of all, David, tell me a
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Speaker 1: little bit about yourself where we can find you. If
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Speaker 1: you're promoting anything, you can do that as well, and
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Speaker 1: then we can get into this morning's hike.
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Speaker 2: So I'm I'm a cryptid researcher and I'm a filmmaker.
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Speaker 2: So I my website is exposing Thestrange dot com, my
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Speaker 2: YouTube channels exposing the strange, so you can find me there.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I probably about twenty twenty timeframe I became
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Speaker 2: interested in encryptids. You know, I was always into horror films,
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Speaker 2: and you know, it kind of bled over into the
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Speaker 2: whole bigfoot monster, you know, were wolf type thing. So
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Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I want to do a
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Speaker 2: documentary on this. I found it very fascinating and being
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Speaker 2: in Ohio, as you well know, there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: weird stuff going on here. And it's not just cryptids,
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Speaker 2: it's it's UFOs, it's paranormal stuff. So I mean, we've
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Speaker 2: got it all here, and uh so that's why I wanted.
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Speaker 1: There was a recent situation with like a meteor or
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Speaker 1: something where a bunch of big foot sightings happen.
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Speaker 2: All of this stuff, right, well, yeah, the flap, so
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Speaker 2: I think it started on March March fifth or six,
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Speaker 2: it was. It basically there were eight big foot sightings
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Speaker 2: in five days here and the Bigfoot Society reported on them,
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Speaker 2: and there were multiple witnesses. They described different different color,
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Speaker 2: different sizes bigfoots in the area, and they all seem
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Speaker 2: to be moving in a certain direction, which was southeast.
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Speaker 2: So that's that's recently happened. And yeah, it was obviously
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Speaker 2: a big to do around here. And I actually went
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Speaker 2: out on the fourteenth, which was that Saturday after that happened,
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Speaker 2: and instead of going to areas where they had been reported,
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Speaker 2: we went into an area where we thought they were
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Speaker 2: headed and we did, you know, find some you know
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Speaker 2: I call it would talk kind of like the x's
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Speaker 2: and the you know, the structures that are made out
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Speaker 2: of trees or sticks. And I put on an audio
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Speaker 2: recorder and I got some really incredible audio that morning
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Speaker 2: at daybreak, which it sounds to me like an Ohio
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Speaker 2: grassman like chanting, and the original recording it goes on
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Speaker 2: for like twenty two minutes. So that was really interesting.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so I'm up here. My main area of
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Speaker 2: investigation and research is the Kuyahoga Valley National Park because
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Speaker 2: I live I live in Akrons, so it's literally it's
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Speaker 2: like ten or fifteen minutes away from me to get
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Speaker 2: to the south part of the park. And there, you know,
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Speaker 2: we had a camp out last September, spent the night
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Speaker 2: and had a lot of activity. So yeah, I'm I'm
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Speaker 2: always out in the park, and that kind of, I guess,
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Speaker 2: kind of rolls into what happened to me this morning.
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Speaker 2: I decided I decided to take a hike in an
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Speaker 2: area that I know has high activity and I haven't
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Speaker 2: been there since end of January early February, back when
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Speaker 2: it was really cold out, so I wanted to take
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Speaker 2: a look before you know, all the leaves get on
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Speaker 2: the trees and everything up here. And the weird thing
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Speaker 2: was is, when I was walking into an area that
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Speaker 2: I'm very familiar with, I hear what is like big
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Speaker 2: tree breaks and snaps, and it sounds like, I mean this,
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Speaker 2: this sounds like big trees snapping, and it kind of
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Speaker 2: it kind of weirded me out at first, and I
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Speaker 2: started walking in that direction. The only camera I had
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Speaker 2: with me was my go pro, so I turned on
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Speaker 2: the go pro and I'm trying to kind of talk
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Speaker 2: and tell the go pro what I'm listening. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if it's picking it up or not. So I
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Speaker 2: start walking into that area because the trail kind of
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Speaker 2: goes in that direction where I was hearing the sounds.
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Speaker 2: And at first I thought maybe maybe it was the
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Speaker 2: National Park Service doing some maintenance back there or something,
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Speaker 2: but there was nobody around, nobody's in the parking lot.
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Speaker 2: I get back there and it's weird. It almost seems
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Speaker 2: like the noise kind of moved further away from that area. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So you know, as part of my research, I put
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Speaker 2: out audio recorders, sometimes trail cams that are modified, but
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Speaker 2: mostly audio recorders. That's how I get a lot of
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Speaker 2: my you know, best evidence. And I was putting out
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Speaker 2: an that's why I went there. I wanted to put
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Speaker 2: on an audio recorder see what I could pick up.
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Speaker 2: Usually it runs for like twenty four hours and then
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Speaker 2: you know, I'll go get it the next day. So
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Speaker 2: I go back, you know, off trail into an area,
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Speaker 2: put the audio recorder out, and as I'm this is
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Speaker 2: probably an hour into the hike. As I'm on my
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Speaker 2: way out past that same area, I hear the same
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Speaker 2: like large, like trees breaking, it's it's it's really loud,
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Speaker 2: and I think my GoPro was running. I'm hoping it
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Speaker 2: picked it up. I haven't checked the footage yet, but
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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it picked up the sound because it
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Speaker 2: was loud, it was massive. It something was going on
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Speaker 2: back there and there weren't people back there. So okay,
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Speaker 2: that's what happened to me this morning.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, fair enough? Man? Would I mean I want
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Speaker 1: to If it's okay, I would like to go can
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Speaker 1: maybe approaches chronologically and how you decided to I mean, okay,
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Speaker 1: you basically said that you're a big foot buffineck, not
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Speaker 1: a big buff of day horror movie buff and you
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Speaker 1: were just like, well, from there you kind of ran
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Speaker 1: into it. But like, how did that transition happen for you?
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Speaker 1: Did you just did you talk to somebody or you
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Speaker 1: just start reading books or watching.
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Speaker 2: I started watching some documentaries, and I started listening to
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Speaker 2: podcasts that talked about the phenomena, and then I interviewed.
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Speaker 2: I started interviewing people and one of the persons I
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Speaker 2: interviewed was Doug Waller, and he's written I think seven
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Speaker 2: books now on bigfoot encounters. Where he interviews people. He
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Speaker 2: goes to the location and I interviewed him and we
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Speaker 2: had a really good interview. And then a couple of
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Speaker 2: weeks later, I was like, Doug, can you put me
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Speaker 2: in touch with the researcher. I want to go out
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Speaker 2: in the field with these guys. And he did. He
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Speaker 2: put me in touch with a researcher in southeastern Ohio
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Speaker 2: and Howking Hills. And I went out with this guy
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Speaker 2: for probably about three years and I became part of
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Speaker 2: his research group, and you know, spent some time down there,
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Speaker 2: and his name was Richard Mcamlish, and he kind of
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Speaker 2: taught me, you know, what to look out for in
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Speaker 2: the woods, the wood talk, you know, the markers that
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Speaker 2: they put up, the ex'es and the leaners against the trees,
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Speaker 2: and some of it is quite intricate, and I've got
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Speaker 2: pictures on my website. And so then I kind of
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Speaker 2: went down that path. And last year I hosted the
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Speaker 2: Beaver Creek Bigfoot Festival in Beaver Creek State Park in Ohio,
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Speaker 2: and I'm also hosting it this year. It's going to
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Speaker 2: be on May seventeenth, that's a Sunday, but we always
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Speaker 2: do a group camp out the two nights prior to that,
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Speaker 2: so that Friday and Saturday day we do a group
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Speaker 2: camp out. And last year we had really interesting evening.
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Speaker 2: I went out with one of the local researchers researchers,
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Speaker 2: his name's Quirky Marple, and we went to this place
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Speaker 2: and we sat in this field excuse me, and probably
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Speaker 2: about three hours into it, we had heard some interesting sounds,
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Speaker 2: some woodknocks and whatnot. But later on we sorry, I
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Speaker 2: got a little scratch in.
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Speaker 1: My throat, so Lisa doesn't have your tongue.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, hold on a second. So what we saw
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Speaker 2: was an orange like an orange yellowish orb okay, and
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Speaker 2: it was coming from an area that I'd hiked back
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Speaker 2: to before it got dark, so there was nothing back
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Speaker 2: there but just just I think the Buckeye Trail goes
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Speaker 2: through there. And uh, we recorded it for like twenty minutes.
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Speaker 2: And the interesting thing is that my thermal camera wouldn't
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Speaker 2: pick it up at all, but Corky was picking it
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Speaker 2: up with his cell phone. He was recording it and
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Speaker 2: I couldn't get it on my cell phone, and I
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Speaker 2: was getting kind of frustrated, and I said, you know,
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Speaker 2: why isn't it showing up on my phone and he said, dude,
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Speaker 2: you got to talk to it. I'm like, okay, So
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Speaker 2: I started talking to it, you know, hello. I felt
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Speaker 2: kind of stupid, but I started talking to it, and
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Speaker 2: then it appeared on my phone and I recorded and
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Speaker 2: I was able to bring it into my editing system
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Speaker 2: and zoom in on it, and it's really weird looking.
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Speaker 2: It's it's like kind of changing colors between orange and yellow,
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Speaker 2: and it's got like an outer white ring around it
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Speaker 2: and an inner inner white circle ring. So yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: it's pretty interesting. And so going back a little, I
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Speaker 2: decided that I wanted to produce a documentary on Ohio cryptids.
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Speaker 2: You know, not just Bigfoot, but the dog Man and
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Speaker 2: other cryptid creatures here. I'm sorry, give me a second,
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Speaker 2: mm hmmm hm. Anyway, so that's kind of been my journey.
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Speaker 2: So I've been working on this documentary. I have, you know,
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Speaker 2: I put out stuff on the YouTube channel, but I've
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Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff that's going to go into
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Speaker 2: the big documentary. But that's hopefully I'll be able to
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Speaker 2: finish that in the next few months. And it's been
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Speaker 2: a long time and it's not just gonna It's not
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Speaker 2: gonna be a normal Bigfoot documentary. It's gonna kind of
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Speaker 2: cover my journey as I became a researcher and kind
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Speaker 2: of started spending time in the woods and a lot
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Speaker 2: of my research and evidence that I've found. You know,
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Speaker 2: of course, along with other researchers, I've interviewed people that
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Speaker 2: have written books. You know, obviously Jody Cook's going to
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Speaker 2: be in there. He's got a lot of knowledge, and
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Speaker 2: you know, it's not just dog Man. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if people understand that Jody was integral in documenting the
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Speaker 2: ken Moore Bigfoot, which ken Moore is right outside of Akron,
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Speaker 2: really close to It's probably ten minutes from where I live,
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Speaker 2: and he's written books on it. And that's where they
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Speaker 2: found the nest. There's that that famous picture of George
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Speaker 2: Klappison standing beside that. It's like a dome. It's intricate
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Speaker 2: dome that Jody said that they could fit I think
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Speaker 2: three people inside. And so he's he spent a lot
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Speaker 2: of time at Akron, and he even said that Akron
13:51
Speaker 2: is still a hot area for this stuff. So every
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Speaker 2: now and again he'll let me know what's going on
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Speaker 2: around here. But yeah, so I just found it fascinating,
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Speaker 2: you know, living in an area where all this is
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Speaker 2: going on and being able to document it and uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, produce this documentary that I think. I think
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Speaker 2: it's going to be really good because it's going to
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Speaker 2: be a real deep dive and it's going to go
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Speaker 2: over the years. So yeah, that's me in a nutshell.
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Speaker 3: So you just this is your first documentary or yes,
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Speaker 3: before Yeah, I mean I've worked in the I've worked
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Speaker 3: in video production for over twenty years, so I mean
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Speaker 3: I've worked on other films and stuff.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is going to be my first documentary.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's cool man, Shit, I love that. I always
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Speaker 1: tell people, Man, if you've ever followed me on this
14:42
Speaker 1: channel where other people I'm talking to the audience, I
14:44
Speaker 1: guess at the moments, like I always said, whatever it
14:46
Speaker 1: is that you enjoyed doing, do that and you will
14:48
Speaker 1: be rich if it's shining shoes and it makes you
14:51
Speaker 1: happy or growing apples, whatever it is, and that's what
14:54
Speaker 1: you do, and you end up finally doing that which
14:57
Speaker 1: you like, and then you're like you're rich as you
14:59
Speaker 1: can be. Other than that, maybe having a child, because
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Speaker 1: I think that it's also a big step up there
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Speaker 1: and and and feeling and feeling like, oh God has
15:08
Speaker 1: given you something special.
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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Yeah, I've got three kids, so I
15:13
Speaker 2: know what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got im one and I'm okay one but
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Speaker 1: fair enough. Oh this is this is extremely fascinating. So
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Speaker 1: you want three years being basically an apprentice kind of
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Speaker 1: and then and to and becoming a part of the group,
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Speaker 1: and now you're building a documentary and you're interviewing. I'm
15:32
Speaker 1: sure there's some type of footage in there. Of course,
15:33
Speaker 1: there's plenty of b roll that's kind of the bory part,
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Speaker 1: but sure, uh, there's some storytelling behind it. Is it
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Speaker 1: is that type of thing? What is a what do
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Speaker 1: you call that? Like the like the Morgan Freeman in
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Speaker 1: the background, what do they call that?
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Speaker 2: Well, like like a narrator.
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Speaker 1: Narrator, thank you, yeah, narrator, things.
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Speaker 2: Like that or yeah, I'm gonna I'm I think I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna narrate it actually and uh, yeah, so it's gonna yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's it's basically I will be narrating it. It's gonna
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Speaker 2: kind of cover my journey as well as kind of
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Speaker 2: intermixed with other people that I've interviewed and uh, and
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Speaker 2: spent time with and then you know some of their
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Speaker 2: their research and their evidence and uh, like I said,
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Speaker 2: you know, authors that have written books on this stuff,
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Speaker 2: and people who have had eyewitness encounters. And it's not
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if people don't understand this, uh,
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Speaker 2: the cryptids, the whole Bigfoot phenomenon, It's it's not just
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Speaker 2: about the Bigfoot. There's also strange lights in the woods
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Speaker 2: like I was talking about that orb. Other people talk
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Speaker 2: about seeing crafts around in the sky when when they
16:51
Speaker 2: see these creatures. So yeah, it's it's kind of encompassing
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Speaker 2: all of that.
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Speaker 1: Hey, So I'd imagine you been, for lack of a
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Speaker 1: better turd, quite impressed with whatever this phenomenon is. And
17:06
Speaker 1: you were like, you know what, this is going to
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Speaker 1: be my first documentary after going in for twenty years,
17:10
Speaker 1: Then you must be it must you must have something
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Speaker 1: good in there, like what is what has been the
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Speaker 1: thing that has shocked you or something that has been unexpected?
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Speaker 1: And uh, in preparing.
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Speaker 2: For this, I guess just knowing I mean personally knowing
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Speaker 2: that they're they're real. You know. I also had a
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Speaker 2: dog man encounter in twenty twenty three, But the weird
17:37
Speaker 2: thing about that was where I worked there was there
17:43
Speaker 2: was a park, a small park, and it had like
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Speaker 2: a probably a twenty five minute loop, but when you
17:49
Speaker 2: got on, yeah, but when you got on the outside
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Speaker 2: of that loop, you were pretty remote. And the one
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Speaker 2: day I meant, I believe it was August first it
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Speaker 2: I heard a lot of smashing around in the woods,
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Speaker 2: like big smashing around.
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Speaker 1: Like, were you like on a lunch break or before that.
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Speaker 2: I was on my lunch break. Yeah, okay, So all
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Speaker 2: I had was my iPhone with mede, my old crappy
18:17
Speaker 2: se twenty twenty iPhone. So I'm out there and uh,
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Speaker 2: I hear this bunch of smashing around and it was
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Speaker 2: probably about one hundred sounded like maybe one hundred hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty feet off the trail, not that far away,
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Speaker 2: and it didn't sound like a deer. So I I
18:35
Speaker 2: just snapped probably four or five pictures, you know, just
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Speaker 2: kind of held up the phone and went click, click, click, click,
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Speaker 2: and then got the hell out of there because I
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Speaker 2: had this really weird feeling. And then literally probably it
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Speaker 2: was probably a couple months later where I was going
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Speaker 2: through my photos and zooming in and then I zoomed
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Speaker 2: in and there it was. I mean, it's it's your
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Speaker 2: it's your typical all black dog man with pointy ears
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Speaker 2: with the point yeah, with the pointy black ears. And
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Speaker 2: I went back to that site. It was in the
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Speaker 2: winter time, and I tried to put position myself down
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Speaker 2: in where it was and it slopes down and there's
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Speaker 2: a creek back there, and it's all a bunch of
19:18
Speaker 2: briar patches back in there. And when I get down
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Speaker 2: in there, it's in one of my videos. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you could barely see me down in there. So this
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Speaker 2: thing had to be had to be pretty tall.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's the second time I've heard that a dog
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Speaker 1: man has been captured that way. That happened with Harley
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Speaker 1: Owens as well. He was coming out of a creek bed.
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Speaker 1: You knew he was turkey on me and who was
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Speaker 1: being followed? And he's is following. I was like, something's
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Speaker 1: back there. He's a guy. He's been following us for
19:44
Speaker 1: twenty minutes and you did what you said? He turned around, snap, snap, snap.
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Speaker 1: So three pictures caught this and it's a different kind
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Speaker 1: though a different type. Not the point, but it was
19:55
Speaker 1: when he showed because we were close, and he's like,
19:58
Speaker 1: look at this time. I told him. I said, man,
20:00
Speaker 1: I got to change my underwear. It must have been
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Speaker 1: the scariest picture I've ever seen in my life. And
20:04
Speaker 1: that's now the second time I've heard that someone can capture.
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Speaker 1: He's a he's now the state representative for dog Man
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Speaker 1: in Tennessee. So yeah, yeah, it was, it's it's it's
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Speaker 1: the second time i've heard that being captured. But the
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Speaker 1: one with the big tall ears is the spookiest one
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Speaker 1: to me. I don't know what it is, the longer
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Speaker 1: snout on them or whatever that may be, but there's
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Speaker 1: something about them. Because I find Bigfoot personally to be
20:27
Speaker 1: slightly more fascinating because there's this there's there's like a
20:31
Speaker 1: lot of other things. There's Native American lore, there's a
20:34
Speaker 1: lot of things around it that I enjoy immensely. Dog
20:37
Speaker 1: Man I enjoy it as well, But it just seems
20:39
Speaker 1: to be like just a scary somewhat at least in
20:45
Speaker 1: this area of you know, weirdness that we're in this podcast.
20:50
Speaker 1: It's a somewhat new phenomenon. But I just I find
20:53
Speaker 1: Bigfoot to be just absolutely fascinating for whatever reason.
20:56
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, yeah, I think dog there's no question.
20:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
21:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, personally no, I yeah, I personally dog man kind
21:05
Speaker 2: of freaks me out that Luckily I'm knock on wood
21:08
Speaker 2: if I can find it. But I have not run
21:10
Speaker 2: into a dog man in the Cyahoga Valley National Park.
21:14
Speaker 2: Not to say that they're not there, but for me,
21:17
Speaker 2: that's been, that's been Bigfoot territory. We had a I
21:22
Speaker 2: had an idea for in September to do kind of
21:26
Speaker 2: a camp out with three other people in the Kyoga Valley.
21:29
Speaker 2: And there's an area I knew that I just there
21:32
Speaker 2: was there was a lot of wood talk. I just
21:35
Speaker 2: had a creepy feeling when I went there, and I
21:39
Speaker 2: had heard woodknocks back there before. So we went out
21:44
Speaker 2: and it was it was the craziest thing. We We
21:48
Speaker 2: got there a couple hours before dark. It was September
21:51
Speaker 2: twenty seventh of last year, and the weather was nice.
21:54
Speaker 2: It's probably close to eighty degrees when we went in,
21:57
Speaker 2: and then then it cooled off at night. But as
22:00
Speaker 2: soon as the sun went down, we were like triangulated
22:05
Speaker 2: by wood knocks. It was almost like every ten or
22:07
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes we'd hear new wood knocks and we heard
22:12
Speaker 2: rock clacks, and so we were probably about a mile
22:17
Speaker 2: and a half back in. We were off trail and
22:20
Speaker 2: there were three of us. We had our hammocks set up.
22:25
Speaker 2: So after listening to this, about one thirty in the morning,
22:28
Speaker 2: we decided to get into our hammocks and about we
22:32
Speaker 2: shut off all the lights. About ten minutes later, we
22:35
Speaker 2: hear this big, like a double bang crash sound. It
22:39
Speaker 2: was like boom boom, and then we heard these heavy
22:42
Speaker 2: footsteps and that freaked us out. So we all got up.
22:47
Speaker 2: We're sitting in our chairs, and about thirty five forty
22:50
Speaker 2: minutes later, the same like double crash sound happened on
22:53
Speaker 2: the other side of us. And at this point I'm like,
22:57
Speaker 2: oh crap. I was thinking to myself, you know, if
22:59
Speaker 2: I got to get out of here quick, what am
23:01
Speaker 2: I taking with me? And what am I leaving? So
23:04
Speaker 2: I was like leaving all the camping stuff, I'll take
23:07
Speaker 2: my video gear with me. But luckily that didn't happen.
23:11
Speaker 2: So we obviously we realized we weren't going to get
23:14
Speaker 2: any sleep that night, so we sat in our chairs
23:18
Speaker 2: and then probably about forty five minutes later, we we
23:24
Speaker 2: I hear Bard owls all the time in the park. Okay,
23:28
Speaker 2: we heard multiple bar owls making the weirdest sounds I've
23:32
Speaker 2: ever heard. It was like they were going crazy. And
23:35
Speaker 2: what I like to do when we camp, I always
23:37
Speaker 2: put a couple audio recorders kind of further out on
23:40
Speaker 2: the perimeter just to pick up some of this stuff.
23:43
Speaker 2: And my recorder picked up a lot of it. And
23:45
Speaker 2: then there was at one point where we start hearing
23:48
Speaker 2: the they like the primate grunts, you know, the type sounds,
23:53
Speaker 2: and I recorded all of that, and you know the
23:58
Speaker 2: same thing, we heard wood knocks coming from three different
24:02
Speaker 2: directions around us. And then probably about forty five minutes
24:08
Speaker 2: before the sun came up, I noticed there was this
24:11
Speaker 2: white light. At first, I thought it was maybe somebody
24:15
Speaker 2: riding a bike on the trail because it was smooth.
24:18
Speaker 2: You know, if it was if it was a runner
24:20
Speaker 2: with the headlamp, it would have, you know, been going
24:23
Speaker 2: up and down. But this was a smooth white light.
24:25
Speaker 2: And I'm like, someone's on the trail. Someone's on the
24:28
Speaker 2: trail in the dark, and that was kind of weird.
24:31
Speaker 2: And then I realized, first of all, you're not all
24:34
Speaker 2: got to ride bikes on this on the Buckeye Trail.
24:37
Speaker 2: Second of all, you would have had you would have
24:39
Speaker 2: had to pick up your bike and walk up this
24:43
Speaker 2: insane set of wooden steps to get up there, and
24:46
Speaker 2: it I just don't see that happening. But so I
24:50
Speaker 2: saw that. And then the interesting thing was about a
24:56
Speaker 2: month and a half later, I put out a trail
24:58
Speaker 2: cam and I had the IR turned off on it,
25:02
Speaker 2: and I put it up in the exact same area.
25:05
Speaker 2: And with this trail cam, I had it set in
25:08
Speaker 2: time lapse mode, so it would shoot like four or
25:11
Speaker 2: five photos and then it would record like it was
25:14
Speaker 2: either thirty or sixty seconds of video. But normally with
25:17
Speaker 2: the trail cam, once it's on the fourth day or so,
25:20
Speaker 2: once the batteries start going on it, it'll just snap pictures.
25:25
Speaker 2: So on that fourth day there's a series I think
25:29
Speaker 2: about fifteen or seventeen frames that it snapped of There's
25:34
Speaker 2: that white light. It comes in, It comes in towards
25:38
Speaker 2: the trail cam and then turns and goes back off
25:40
Speaker 2: into the woods, and I believe that's the same light
25:44
Speaker 2: that I saw that night.
25:45
Speaker 1: So like directed like, well it's one direction.
25:49
Speaker 2: Or no, I mean it's like an orb right, uh.
25:52
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a white orb that it's like looks
25:56
Speaker 2: like it's like floating in.
26:00
Speaker 1: And it was what are your thoughts on any of this,
26:02
Speaker 1: on these orbs and stuff? What are you are you
26:04
Speaker 1: talking to people's experiences? What if they told you?
26:07
Speaker 2: Well, I interviewed a guy that actually he was fishing
26:13
Speaker 2: and he the river was flooded and there was an
26:19
Speaker 2: island in the middle of the river. It was a
26:21
Speaker 2: big river down in the Coshoctan area, Coshocton, Ohio, and
26:27
Speaker 2: he actually recorded there was some creature like it's like
26:34
Speaker 2: a dark figure. It's like it's it's holding a white
26:38
Speaker 2: a very bright white orb.
26:42
Speaker 1: Really.
26:43
Speaker 2: Of course he saw it a lot better with his
26:45
Speaker 2: eyes than his phone because he had to zoom in
26:49
Speaker 2: on his phone. All he had was his phone with them.
26:52
Speaker 2: So I've take it, taken the footage and brought it
26:54
Speaker 2: into my editing system and tried to stabilize it and stuff.
26:57
Speaker 2: But you can see that there there is something moving
27:01
Speaker 2: independently of his camera shake, and it's it's like a
27:05
Speaker 2: dark looks like a dark figure with this bright object.
27:09
Speaker 2: And it was during the day. It was in February,
27:13
Speaker 2: so you know it's always gray out around here right out.
27:17
Speaker 2: But so I believe, I'm a firm believer that these bigfoots,
27:23
Speaker 2: in these orbs, they exist together. And I've even talked
27:28
Speaker 2: to some researchers that think that's kind of the way
27:31
Speaker 2: they can travel. I'm not sure about that, but there
27:35
Speaker 2: definitely seems to be a correlation between the two. I mean,
27:38
Speaker 2: you don't see them all the time, obviously, but for
27:42
Speaker 2: him to have that encounter, to be able to see
27:46
Speaker 2: them both in the same place at the exact same
27:48
Speaker 2: time as pretty incredible.
27:52
Speaker 1: These orbs I've been hearing. I mean, one of the
27:54
Speaker 1: most fascinating stories I heard was from Dale Benton. He's
27:57
Speaker 1: he's a researcher to an experiencer of the man in
28:00
Speaker 1: Bigfoot in Tennessee, and he was he was out there
28:02
Speaker 1: when I came round, a gentleman's name, but they were
28:04
Speaker 1: out there together. There was a family having issues and
28:10
Speaker 1: they were out there on this hill. They had this
28:12
Speaker 1: truck there and this orb has come floating out of wood.
28:15
Speaker 1: He said. It was like like the size of a
28:18
Speaker 1: bowling ball, like a whitish orb. That's why you you
28:21
Speaker 1: got my brain going. And it came up and just
28:24
Speaker 1: came up really close to him. He got within six
28:26
Speaker 1: feet of him, and his friend then like kind of
28:28
Speaker 1: freaked out and they shined a flashlight on him. The
28:30
Speaker 1: thing turned into a possum, hissed at him and ran away,
28:34
Speaker 1: and they both were sick for about two days. Like
28:37
Speaker 1: that's you know when they get like that office sound sick.
28:40
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that, he said. It's happened to
28:42
Speaker 1: him before. He said it was just the weirdest damn thing.
28:44
Speaker 1: It literally, he said, it turned into a postle. Tom,
28:47
Speaker 1: I swear he just walked away.
28:50
Speaker 2: That's really weird.
28:52
Speaker 1: Y.
28:53
Speaker 2: You don't want to be you don't want to get
28:54
Speaker 2: close to those things. That's another thing too, if if
28:56
Speaker 2: I if one ever got really close to me, I
28:58
Speaker 2: would run the way because I've heard of people having
29:02
Speaker 2: serious health conditions after they've been close to those like
29:06
Speaker 2: what I haven't heard from Let's see. So have you
29:13
Speaker 2: ever read that book skin Walkers at the Pentagon? So
29:18
Speaker 2: the government funded two years of research. I think it
29:23
Speaker 2: was like ten million dollars at Skinwalker Ranch and one
29:29
Speaker 2: of the so they talk about a lot, and it's
29:33
Speaker 2: a really good book if you get a chance to
29:34
Speaker 2: read it. Skinwalkers at the Pentagon and what happened was
29:40
Speaker 2: a lot of the people that were from either you know,
29:44
Speaker 2: anywhere in the country that worked for the federal government.
29:47
Speaker 2: A lot of them were from the DC area that
29:49
Speaker 2: would go do this research out on Skinwalker Ranch. When
29:52
Speaker 2: they would get come home, they called it the hitchhiker effect.
29:57
Speaker 1: Where.
29:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, so one of the gentlemen he started seeing orbs
30:04
Speaker 2: in his house, his children, and his wife saw a
30:08
Speaker 2: dog man in their backyard. Just weird stuff happening like that.
30:13
Speaker 2: So the guy the orb thing was, I think the
30:16
Speaker 2: guy was on the West coast in Oregon or Washington
30:19
Speaker 2: state and he was with his daughter and they were
30:21
Speaker 2: driving down the road and there was a blue orb
30:24
Speaker 2: that appeared beside their car and came through the car
30:29
Speaker 2: and actually went through his arm, and he for the
30:34
Speaker 2: next two years he had these horrible health issues and
30:37
Speaker 2: I think almost died. Wow, But that's in the book,
30:42
Speaker 2: and you know, ever since I read that, and just
30:46
Speaker 2: in general, like if you see these things, don't try
30:49
Speaker 2: to get close to him, you know, just use the
30:52
Speaker 2: zoom on your camera.
30:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, it's quite fascinating. What kind of have you
30:57
Speaker 1: had any like personal encounters with them? Have you seen them?
31:01
Speaker 2: Well? Just the two that I Okay, So I saw
31:05
Speaker 2: the one at Beaver Creek, you know, the orangish, yellowish one.
31:08
Speaker 2: I saw the white one, you know, when we were
31:11
Speaker 2: camping out in the Kyoga Valley and we had an encounter.
31:16
Speaker 2: There's a there's an old historic cemetery in the in
31:20
Speaker 2: the Kyoga Valley National Park. And in November I went
31:24
Speaker 2: there with two people. One was my friend Matt and
31:30
Speaker 2: he's he's uh, he has a YouTube channel and he's
31:34
Speaker 2: a research well he's not really a researcher, but and
31:38
Speaker 2: then the other one was my friend Carrie, who's she's
31:40
Speaker 2: a sensitive. So this cemetery is really cool because it's
31:45
Speaker 2: it's kind of hit. It's a hidden gem. It's like
31:48
Speaker 2: you got to walk back up to it and once
31:49
Speaker 2: you're there, like you can't be seen from the road.
31:52
Speaker 2: It's very it's very secluded. So we went there probably
31:56
Speaker 2: about twelve thirty at night, and you know, all the
32:01
Speaker 2: gravestones are like you know, from the somewhere from the
32:05
Speaker 2: early eighteen hundred, so it's pretty old. And so we're
32:10
Speaker 2: sitting there and Carrie does a walk around there and
32:14
Speaker 2: she says she feels something in this far corner kind
32:18
Speaker 2: of she feels like trepidation and it kind of freaked
32:22
Speaker 2: her out. So she came back and we're sitting there
32:25
Speaker 2: talking and all of a sudden, I noticed that there's
32:29
Speaker 2: this whitish yellowish light just above the trees, these tall trees.
32:35
Speaker 2: And I think Carrie noticed at first, and she's like,
32:39
Speaker 2: do you see that? I said, yeah, And it looked
32:41
Speaker 2: like it was moving. So I take my good camera
32:47
Speaker 2: and I pointed up there, and the battery's dead, and
32:51
Speaker 2: the battery shouldn't have been dead, so I'm like trying
32:54
Speaker 2: to throw the replacement battery in there, and once I
32:57
Speaker 2: get it up, it had moved and kind of turned.
33:02
Speaker 2: But the weirdest thing was it seemed like it was
33:04
Speaker 2: one kind of whitish yellowish light at first, and then
33:07
Speaker 2: it almost turned into like a green and white light,
33:09
Speaker 2: and then and then all of a sudden, it was
33:12
Speaker 2: like a solid white light in the center and two
33:15
Speaker 2: flashing lights on the outside, and then it just took
33:18
Speaker 2: off and went away. I don't know if it was
33:21
Speaker 2: like some government drone or what, but I have no
33:24
Speaker 2: idea what it was. And then and then probably an
33:28
Speaker 2: hour later, we decided to go to that corner of
33:32
Speaker 2: the cemetery where Carrie had had that feeling, and so
33:39
Speaker 2: we get over there and then we noticed. I noticed
33:42
Speaker 2: that there's there's some wood talk there. There's there's like
33:45
Speaker 2: an X, and then there's this other kind of intricate
33:49
Speaker 2: like sticks that were kind of set up. So I
33:53
Speaker 2: don't know what that was, but what happened next was
33:56
Speaker 2: really interesting. My friend Matt was like, you see those
34:01
Speaker 2: two lights down there, and I'm like, at first we
34:03
Speaker 2: thought they may have been car lights, but there's there's
34:06
Speaker 2: nothing down in this valley. So these two white lights
34:11
Speaker 2: kind of came up through the trees. One was kind
34:14
Speaker 2: of behind the other one, so one was a little
34:19
Speaker 2: bigger and brighter than the other one, I think. So
34:22
Speaker 2: I got this all on videos in one of my videos,
34:24
Speaker 2: but we watched and they were trying to talk to
34:27
Speaker 2: it to get it to come closer. One of the
34:28
Speaker 2: lights would come closer, one of them wouldn't. And that
34:32
Speaker 2: was probably went on for about fifteen or twenty minutes.
34:36
Speaker 2: But we I went back there a few days later
34:40
Speaker 2: with Carrie and we scoped it out, and the only
34:43
Speaker 2: thing down in there, there's no light poles, there's no houses,
34:45
Speaker 2: there's nothing down in there. It's just an old tree
34:48
Speaker 2: farm and there's it's a deep valley way down in there.
34:52
Speaker 2: So it definitely wasn't people, because that's not a place
34:57
Speaker 2: that you'd want to walk through. But these look like
34:59
Speaker 2: they were kind of up in the trees, two of them,
35:02
Speaker 2: and so I think that's I've had three encounters with
35:08
Speaker 2: these these orbs so far I.
35:10
Speaker 1: Haven't had a So I bought them. Everyone has heard this,
35:13
Speaker 1: has heard of mant but I bought them ten acres
35:15
Speaker 1: of property here in the middle of the jungle. I
35:19
Speaker 1: am one thousand meters on the muddy dirt road off
35:22
Speaker 1: of a not so public road, well somewhat public, but
35:26
Speaker 1: nice road, and it's it's out there, man. And I
35:30
Speaker 1: was staying out there. I'm my daughter. I'm in hemmicks
35:34
Speaker 1: outside into jungle netting, metal tin roof, mosquito netting. And
35:41
Speaker 1: it happened twice. So I wake up about three in
35:43
Speaker 1: the morning and I look over and I see this
35:45
Speaker 1: whitish bluish lights not an orb though, but a circular
35:50
Speaker 1: light on the ceiling above my daughter. I go to
35:55
Speaker 1: look to see. I think it's like a flashlight. You know,
35:57
Speaker 1: I'm just like this there, you know, where's the source?
35:58
Speaker 1: As I look down and disappear is on me? All right?
36:02
Speaker 1: Happened to me again another time, but it was on
36:04
Speaker 1: the wall this time. Same. It looks like if you
36:07
Speaker 1: were to shine like a light through a fish tank,
36:10
Speaker 1: kind of like that that effect, but in nighttime. And
36:13
Speaker 1: then did the same thing. I'm like, you know, just
36:16
Speaker 1: a quick look and it's gone. You can actually it
36:18
Speaker 1: actually moved a little bit too, at fuzzy edges. It
36:21
Speaker 1: wasn't defined. Look, disappears again. I'm trying to go back
36:27
Speaker 1: to sleep and off outside of a mosquito that about
36:29
Speaker 1: thirty yards behind me. On another in the property there,
36:32
Speaker 1: I hear disembodied voices like feminine.
36:40
Speaker 2: Like this shit, Oh that's crazy.
36:42
Speaker 1: It is creepy, man. Displace is spooky, bro Like when
36:49
Speaker 1: you go like all my properties' this lookout point there
36:51
Speaker 1: may or may not be Mayan ruins there too, I
36:53
Speaker 1: can either confirm or deny. And when you get to
36:55
Speaker 1: this area, there's this cool lookout, this cool view, and
36:59
Speaker 1: it looks like you're looking back in prehistoric time. Man,
37:01
Speaker 1: this place is so wild and so untouched down here,
37:05
Speaker 1: and it's weird when people see these lights that the
37:10
Speaker 1: floating orb thing where it's separate from others. I haven't
37:13
Speaker 1: seen that yet, but just that phenomenon of seeing them
37:17
Speaker 1: and somehow that being connected with bigfoot. I mean, have
37:20
Speaker 1: you actually seen a bigfoot yourself?
37:24
Speaker 2: Well, I had an experience in the park. It was
37:28
Speaker 2: last year. I think it was late August, early September,
37:35
Speaker 2: and I was doing I'll go off trail and I'll
37:39
Speaker 2: do the the intros to my videos. I'll kind of
37:43
Speaker 2: set it up and everything. And I remember I was
37:47
Speaker 2: I was sitting there, I was setting up my camera
37:51
Speaker 2: and everything and getting into position, and I keep I
37:54
Speaker 2: heard like wood knocks behind me, and I heard some
37:59
Speaker 2: rustling back and in the in the video, I went back,
38:04
Speaker 2: you can see me. I'm like, I'm constantly turning around,
38:07
Speaker 2: like looking like what's going on. So I get my
38:11
Speaker 2: intro done and I shut off the camera and I
38:16
Speaker 2: I turned back around because I heard I heard something.
38:20
Speaker 2: But it wasn't anything big. But the weirdest thing happened.
38:26
Speaker 2: It was like all of a sudden, it was like
38:30
Speaker 2: you know, normally, if if like a deer or something
38:33
Speaker 2: or an animal runs through the woods, I mean, if
38:35
Speaker 2: it runs by you. I mean, this is probably about
38:38
Speaker 2: a half a football field away. You would hear you
38:42
Speaker 2: would hear it coming, and then it would get loud,
38:44
Speaker 2: and then it would run by and it would get quieter, right,
38:49
Speaker 2: And that's what normally happens if something ran by you.
38:53
Speaker 2: But this was weird. This was like I heard nothing,
38:57
Speaker 2: I saw nothing. All of a sudden, I see this
39:02
Speaker 2: like black figure just like smashing through the woods like
39:06
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, for like four seconds, and then
39:10
Speaker 2: it was done. It was gone. It was like there
39:14
Speaker 2: was no ramp up to it, no like ramped down,
39:18
Speaker 2: like it was all of a sudden, it was there,
39:20
Speaker 2: and it wasn't all black. It was an all black figure,
39:24
Speaker 2: and I don't know what it was.
39:25
Speaker 1: And I mean it's like jumping up a deer. You know,
39:29
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're in the woods. You're not expecting anything.
39:31
Speaker 1: You're just out there or whatever. I was like. And
39:34
Speaker 1: the thing is when you see something like that four seconds, yeah,
39:38
Speaker 1: it feels like an eternity.
39:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it was loud and it was smashing
39:43
Speaker 2: through there, but it was like and then it just
39:44
Speaker 2: it just stopped or disappeared or went away. It was
39:48
Speaker 2: like it was It was really strange, So.
39:52
Speaker 1: You didn't Oh, you didn't like continue to crash and
39:54
Speaker 1: burn down through hundreds and twenty guard you still hear
39:57
Speaker 1: it just.
39:57
Speaker 2: Kind of No, it was like four seconds of craziness
40:01
Speaker 2: and it just stopped. It stopped as soon as it started.
40:06
Speaker 2: It was weird.
40:07
Speaker 1: Have you ever visited Salt Fork?
40:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been to the big the Ohio Bigfoot Festival
40:16
Speaker 2: there and I've done uh one of the organizations does
40:21
Speaker 2: a group camp out there. I've been, but I haven't
40:24
Speaker 2: really done extensive research there, and I know that it's
40:27
Speaker 2: a really hot area. Yes, but my my friend I'm
40:33
Speaker 2: part of Coshocton County Bigfoot. My friend Jay who runs
40:37
Speaker 2: that Jay fouch he uh, he spends a lot of
40:41
Speaker 2: time at Salt Fork and he's got some really interesting
40:44
Speaker 2: stories because I was there.
40:46
Speaker 1: A lot of dogmen there too, is there? Yeah? Because
40:50
Speaker 1: I think I know the group youre talking about is
40:52
Speaker 1: Ohio Bigfoot Researchers, right.
40:55
Speaker 2: Well, his is Coshocton County.
40:57
Speaker 1: But the one in Salt Fork, the one that you
40:59
Speaker 1: said you went to.
41:00
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, s O. S B I U Southern Ohio
41:04
Speaker 2: of s O. S B I, Ohio Big Big for
41:11
Speaker 2: Something research investigators. I don't possibly, Yeah, something like that. Yeah,
41:20
Speaker 2: Doug Waller runs that. He's he's the author that that
41:25
Speaker 2: hips written. I think he's on his seventh book now.
41:28
Speaker 1: But yeah, I talked to Tim Tim Morehead, I think
41:33
Speaker 1: is his name Renee Morehead. Yeah, they go out there
41:36
Speaker 1: a lot, and that's they've seen quite a few things
41:39
Speaker 1: out there. Dan and experience where there was like a
41:41
Speaker 1: group of them and there's like something like nine of
41:44
Speaker 1: them and all of a sudden they were as dark
41:48
Speaker 1: and they felt you know that that thing where you
41:52
Speaker 1: start to get sick, that some people call it infrasound
41:55
Speaker 1: whatever it is, that vibration that that really makes you
41:58
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable. And and she said it was really weird.
42:02
Speaker 1: She said, for some reason, none of the women felt it,
42:05
Speaker 1: but all the guys got sick, all of them felt bad.
42:09
Speaker 1: It's just the amount of like how do we I
42:12
Speaker 1: was speaking to a gentleman yesterday and he is he
42:15
Speaker 1: does he like a psycho psychologist psychologist where he was
42:21
Speaker 1: talking about when people run into these things and the
42:24
Speaker 1: psychology behind they're wanting to tell somebody but not able
42:28
Speaker 1: to for fear of being made fun of. And he
42:32
Speaker 1: was saying that we need to start figuring out how
42:34
Speaker 1: to specialize in the area. So maybe your specialization, from
42:37
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing is sound, because there's like one guy
42:41
Speaker 1: is doing voice right now, he's like listening to doing
42:43
Speaker 1: that that chatter, that Samurai chatter, whatever word you know,
42:47
Speaker 1: you're you're you're making up your own lingo, which is cool.
42:50
Speaker 1: I like that. And it's like, I'm a I'm a
42:52
Speaker 1: I'm a rock guy. So if you're playing classic blues
42:55
Speaker 1: or whatever, like the little areas that the music goes into,
42:58
Speaker 1: So I'm enjoying, I'm enjoying your or your word ology.
43:02
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's a better word for that, but
43:03
Speaker 1: I like that. And he was saying, maybe we should
43:07
Speaker 1: start specializing in a certain area where they say, Okay, hey,
43:10
Speaker 1: you want to talk about people who've interviewed a bunch
43:12
Speaker 1: of people, Okay, that would be me. Or you want
43:14
Speaker 1: somebody who's looking into the language, that would be him,
43:17
Speaker 1: or you looking at somebody who's looking into the howling
43:19
Speaker 1: and the orbs. That's David and that then like when
43:23
Speaker 1: we specialize in those little areas, then maybe we'll get
43:26
Speaker 1: some type of some type of like I would just say,
43:30
Speaker 1: some type of the German where I speak German. I
43:32
Speaker 1: like the Germany twenty Years Fest. I did like some
43:36
Speaker 1: kind of strong scientific like consensus, because we all know
43:42
Speaker 1: that science has to be then, you know, reproduced and
43:44
Speaker 1: all that. And he was just I don't know if
43:47
Speaker 1: I because I don't think a lot of these experiences
43:50
Speaker 1: can be can be put into a scientific I'm sure
43:55
Speaker 1: in some way they can be, but to be put
43:57
Speaker 1: in some type of concrete like this is what that
43:59
Speaker 1: is kind of thing, I don't know if that's going
44:02
Speaker 1: to work. It's kind of like the God question, where
44:04
Speaker 1: it's kind of like is it real? Is it not?
44:06
Speaker 1: Is that there is a knot people are experiencing. Some
44:08
Speaker 1: people aren't, Like how do we do that? What do you?
44:11
Speaker 1: What do you? What do you think about that?
44:13
Speaker 2: I think in order to do that, you have to
44:17
Speaker 2: be able to compare a lot of well, for let's
44:21
Speaker 2: just take audio for an example, right.
44:23
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
44:24
Speaker 2: You you're going to have to have a lot of
44:29
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I I know a lot of the
44:32
Speaker 2: animals that are in our woods, but I don't know
44:34
Speaker 2: every one of them, and I'm not a hunter, so
44:38
Speaker 2: I don't have that blank background experience. But I mean,
44:41
Speaker 2: you have to input a lot of data to come
44:47
Speaker 2: to that, you know, the conclusions with hard evidence, and
44:52
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think it can be done.
44:54
Speaker 2: I just think it's going to take a lot of
44:57
Speaker 2: time and determination and a lot of man hours. I mean,
45:01
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in the woods hiking,
45:04
Speaker 2: and thank goodness, my girlfriend loves to hike, and now
45:08
Speaker 2: I've got her where she can she can spot would
45:10
Speaker 2: talk and stuff. She'd be like, do you see that
45:12
Speaker 2: over there? And I'd be like, yeah, I didn't even
45:13
Speaker 2: see that.
45:14
Speaker 1: My wife used to love to walk with the new
45:16
Speaker 1: one not so much. She's from here, She's she's she's mayaen.
45:22
Speaker 1: My girlfriend's Mayan. Yeah, very cool. They have a lot
45:25
Speaker 1: of medicine knowledge, plant medicine knowledge. She's she has some
45:29
Speaker 1: of it. She's like this is this and I go, well,
45:31
Speaker 1: is there? I don't know that one My grandmother did.
45:33
Speaker 1: So it's starting to get lost and that's the next
45:35
Speaker 1: language for me. I'm that'll be my fourth and uh.
45:39
Speaker 1: I want to go out and talk to them about
45:40
Speaker 1: their experiences because there's a there's a okay, like you
45:44
Speaker 1: have the Bellwitch, right, that's the famous witch of America,
45:47
Speaker 1: the most famous and here it's the Ishtabai right as
45:51
Speaker 1: the as the famous witch of the Yukadam Peninsula, Okay,
45:55
Speaker 1: And it's very it's very reminiscent of this appellation folklore
46:00
Speaker 1: in which like a wish would take children into the
46:02
Speaker 1: woods with them and they kind of call them and
46:04
Speaker 1: come in, you know, kind of that situation, but it's
46:06
Speaker 1: more towards drunk men and they come and snatch them.
46:11
Speaker 1: But they also she also has like a horse leg
46:14
Speaker 1: and a chicken leg. There's this and I want to
46:18
Speaker 1: actually go out into these villages and talk to them
46:21
Speaker 1: in their native tongue and really learn it, like from
46:25
Speaker 1: the ground up. I mean, there's there's pyramids here that
46:28
Speaker 1: are not even on the map, you know, if you
46:31
Speaker 1: just stumble into stuff, if you just be walking out
46:33
Speaker 1: something like what the hell is that? There's a wall
46:35
Speaker 1: here and it's and you're like they're like perfectly aligned
46:38
Speaker 1: and square and or shit like it's it's it's an
46:40
Speaker 1: incredible place. You ever thought about coming down here and
46:43
Speaker 1: doing something like that looking into the.
46:44
Speaker 2: Pyramids, that would be awesome. There's something to it in Yeah,
46:49
Speaker 2: I mean I went to Toulom once.
46:51
Speaker 1: Okay.
46:52
Speaker 2: That's pretty much most of my Mexico experience. But yeah,
46:57
Speaker 2: I'm sure where you listen.
46:58
Speaker 1: A rich part of that's a rich part of Mexico.
47:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it's all the tourists.
47:03
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I I've never been there. It's on the
47:06
Speaker 1: I'm on the other side of the peninsula. I'm on
47:08
Speaker 1: the poorest side of the oil side.
47:11
Speaker 2: But that sounds like more fun than me anyway.
47:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I see. So he seems like you would
47:15
Speaker 1: just enjoy mystery, Like why horror? When I was a kid,
47:19
Speaker 1: he used to scare me. Then I thought it was stupid.
47:21
Speaker 1: Now I think it's funny. Like when I go back
47:23
Speaker 1: and watch horror. My girlfriend loves horror, but when it
47:27
Speaker 1: comes to real stuff like you and I like to
47:28
Speaker 1: look at her. She's like, no, no, no, no, I'm like,
47:30
Speaker 1: this is the real shit, but Hollywood stuff, and she'll
47:33
Speaker 1: scream at the movie and laugh and have a good time.
47:35
Speaker 1: But why horror?
47:37
Speaker 2: Why do I like horror?
47:39
Speaker 1: Yeah?
47:42
Speaker 2: Well, you know, most it's hard to scare me. Yeah,
47:48
Speaker 2: most horror films follow the same basic timeline. It's like
47:55
Speaker 2: the first half is really scary, and then the second
47:59
Speaker 2: half just sucks because they finally show you the creature
48:03
Speaker 2: or whatever. And then they show too much of it,
48:05
Speaker 2: and then it's just that's what I find with most
48:08
Speaker 2: horror films. But the funny thing is, uh, yeah, well
48:12
Speaker 2: I made last night. I made my girlfriend. She had
48:15
Speaker 2: never seen American Werewolf in London, and I said, this
48:20
Speaker 2: is a classic. We got to watch that. And I
48:22
Speaker 2: hadn't seen that, probably since I was in high school
48:25
Speaker 2: or or somewhere around then. And uh, I didn't realize
48:29
Speaker 2: there was so much. There was a lot of comedy
48:32
Speaker 2: thrown in there too. When was the last time you
48:35
Speaker 2: saw that movie? Have you seen that?
48:39
Speaker 1: No, I've never seen that movie, but I do. I
48:41
Speaker 1: will tell you that I found down and watched the
48:44
Speaker 1: original Halloween. Okay, that is a great horror movie. Yeah,
48:49
Speaker 1: because even when they do show him, it's kind of
48:53
Speaker 1: bits and pieces, especially the scene where it's going back
48:56
Speaker 1: and forth from the doorway at the back of the house.
48:59
Speaker 1: That whole cinematic part right there. It's just beautiful. Because
49:04
Speaker 1: I was tired of watching these modern ones that she
49:06
Speaker 1: kept running into it, I was like, dude, come on,
49:08
Speaker 1: let's go watch Last House on the Left. Of course,
49:11
Speaker 1: The Exorcist, of course, the Shining, except for the Shining
49:16
Speaker 1: really upset me because I must have always either went
49:19
Speaker 1: to the bathroom looked away or blinked my eyes with
49:22
Speaker 1: the room with the skeletons in it at the end
49:24
Speaker 1: that made me not like the movie now, But everything
49:29
Speaker 1: up to that, the feeling Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the feeling, yeah,
49:34
Speaker 1: from the beginning is what carries it through. But this
49:39
Speaker 1: new stuff is all shock value. And it's kind of
49:42
Speaker 1: like the eminem store at you know, at the Times Square.
49:48
Speaker 1: It's like, oh beautiful, and then you keep moving.
49:50
Speaker 2: You know, there's no grit to it, right, And I think,
49:54
Speaker 2: once I get this documentary finished, my next thing is
49:57
Speaker 2: going to be a narrative film on a a related subject.
50:01
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a narrative film around cryptids. And I okay, you.
50:07
Speaker 1: Like a story, like a.
50:08
Speaker 2: Story, like an actual story with actors in a script. Okay, Yeah,
50:13
Speaker 2: And I've got a buddy who could do the makeup,
50:16
Speaker 2: and uh, I want to shoot a lot of it here.
50:19
Speaker 2: So I think that's gonna be my next venture.
50:23
Speaker 1: That is so cool, man, I like, I just love that.
50:26
Speaker 1: Man me, I've always liked me. My hobbies are all
50:28
Speaker 1: over the place. I mean, I'm a metal head. That's
50:31
Speaker 1: the first thing. I've been a singer, front man, guitarist,
50:35
Speaker 1: writer of metal forever, stand up comic, done that in
50:39
Speaker 1: three languages. Uh love here in Mexico, dude, windsurfer. I
50:44
Speaker 1: can't snowboard anymore, but I used to go every year
50:46
Speaker 1: twice a year to either Austria, Southern Germany, Switzerland, whatever.
50:49
Speaker 1: And it's just that life just goes on. Man. You
50:52
Speaker 1: know your your you're I think you're finally getting the
50:55
Speaker 1: point where I always wish that everyone can just get
50:58
Speaker 1: to the point where they can get past that. Okay,
51:00
Speaker 1: I have to pay my bills, whatever that may be.
51:03
Speaker 1: You know, they they're not as covered and they can
51:05
Speaker 1: actually go out and explore the things that really make
51:08
Speaker 1: them interested in life. And and uh, and you know
51:14
Speaker 1: you're like me, You're just one of those guys. You
51:15
Speaker 1: like horror movies. I like metal. It's very they're they're
51:17
Speaker 1: kind of close. They're kind of close.
51:21
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I snowboard too. I still snowboard, and I
51:24
Speaker 2: mountain bike. And then the last couple of years we
51:27
Speaker 2: got into e bikes where we started an e bike
51:32
Speaker 2: channel on YouTube. It not really doing that great, but
51:36
Speaker 2: just because I haven't really had time to really promote
51:38
Speaker 2: it or do anything. But we've got a couple of
51:40
Speaker 2: videos up and we'll just you know, we'll do these
51:42
Speaker 2: e bike adventures and you know, focus on you know,
51:47
Speaker 2: cool places to eat, you know, scenery bars.
51:51
Speaker 1: You're just interested that that?
51:54
Speaker 2: Like I like being outside?
51:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, yeah, like you being here right now? For
51:58
Speaker 1: it must be something very un multiple view.
52:02
Speaker 2: Well believe I spent a lot of time sitting in
52:04
Speaker 2: front of this computer editing video.
52:05
Speaker 1: So I just do I just I've been can't see it,
52:08
Speaker 1: but I actually got a finally a chair. I've been
52:10
Speaker 1: so broke, like I left Germany because of COVID. Bro
52:13
Speaker 1: they weren't going to put that in me, and so
52:15
Speaker 1: I I left everything in my house, my life. I
52:18
Speaker 1: ended up losing my wife. She came with me, she
52:20
Speaker 1: was with me, but it just didn't work once we
52:21
Speaker 1: got here. And now my job is just basically sitting
52:25
Speaker 1: mind his computer eight hours a day, you know, either tutoring, podcasting, editing,
52:30
Speaker 1: contacting people, researching people, you know, people like you know,
52:35
Speaker 1: our buddy there, Jody was like, hey, contact David. You know, Okay,
52:39
Speaker 1: when is this going to work out? Uh? Yeah, it's
52:42
Speaker 1: and it does suck. I wish I was into woodsmore too,
52:44
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because we got jaguars here, jaguars, snakes,
52:48
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Dude, this is crazy.
52:50
Speaker 2: I can't imagine.
52:52
Speaker 1: The forest is rough, dude, it's very angry. It's an
52:55
Speaker 1: angry forest.
52:57
Speaker 2: When you go out there, do you have like a
52:59
Speaker 2: machete and a handgun?
53:01
Speaker 1: And like, I don't have a handgun, but they're just rather.
53:05
Speaker 1: They're really expensive down here. You can get them in Mexico.
53:07
Speaker 1: I got the only thing I have is a small
53:08
Speaker 1: twenty two, but it was something for the ex wife.
53:10
Speaker 1: Here there's a small rifle. You can handle it, you know,
53:14
Speaker 1: But just a machete, my dog, I take my dog
53:17
Speaker 1: with me. Machete. There's not really they're not violent people
53:21
Speaker 1: down there. Didn't just want to rob you, that's the
53:23
Speaker 1: only thing. They're kind of like opportunistic robbers. So if
53:25
Speaker 1: you leave something in the back of your charup while
53:27
Speaker 1: you go inside, they're gonna take it, you know what
53:29
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just because people are trying to survive
53:31
Speaker 1: down here. But they're not. The people here actually are
53:33
Speaker 1: very sweet, very kind, and I found, honestly, the poorer
53:37
Speaker 1: they are, the more they want to give you. It's
53:40
Speaker 1: like they're like, here's take, take, take. You're like, no,
53:41
Speaker 1: you guys need this, you know, thank you so much.
53:44
Speaker 1: I don't try to be rude. I will sit there
53:46
Speaker 1: and you hear some cookies or whatever they're trying to
53:48
Speaker 1: give me. I'll eat a cookie. Hey, you know, no problem.
53:50
Speaker 1: But it's it's a fascinating place, and it's hotter in Hell.
53:54
Speaker 1: I'm sweating like a sunamon down here sitting talking with
53:56
Speaker 1: to you. I gotta turn out.
53:57
Speaker 2: I gotta ask you, though, so what made you choose
54:01
Speaker 2: that place to relocate to?
54:03
Speaker 1: Interesting? Well, I wanted to move back to the States, right.
54:07
Speaker 1: So I was over in Germany of twenty years. This
54:10
Speaker 1: whole you know, you take German mentality and then you
54:12
Speaker 1: mix it up of COVID. That was a really nice
54:14
Speaker 1: combination there. For me. It's like I'm literally, you know,
54:19
Speaker 1: giving me liberty or give me death kind of guy.
54:22
Speaker 1: Former USR my soldier too. So that's why I was
54:28
Speaker 1: in Germany. Met my wife over in there, ex wife,
54:31
Speaker 1: and yeah, I just she said, look, because she's half
54:35
Speaker 1: Mexican half German, she'd go, hey, let's get out of here,
54:40
Speaker 1: let's go to stay. We tried for like a year
54:42
Speaker 1: and it's just nothing was happening and were She was like,
54:44
Speaker 1: you know what, we can move to Mexico if you
54:46
Speaker 1: wanted to, what would you would you be interested? And
54:48
Speaker 1: I said sure, what of course I would, and she goes, okay,
54:51
Speaker 1: but we can get there like immediately if I put
54:53
Speaker 1: my paperwork and it's much quicker. And I was like, okay,
54:56
Speaker 1: she goes, I'll tell you, I'll do the paperwork. You
54:58
Speaker 1: search for the location. And my first thought was like
55:01
Speaker 1: the Baja Peninsula, like something gorgeous and beautiful with see
55:05
Speaker 1: life and shit. But then I thought, man, I was
55:07
Speaker 1: in the desert. When I was in the army, I
55:08
Speaker 1: was an NTC dooring nine to eleven oddly enough, and
55:12
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, no, I need something green.
55:13
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a center to country.
55:15
Speaker 1: I know it's wild and the cartel and stuff. But
55:18
Speaker 1: over on the peninsula, I looked at the criminality. It's
55:20
Speaker 1: very safe over here because this is where the cartel's
55:23
Speaker 1: families are and it's kind of like an unwritten rule.
55:26
Speaker 1: We don't we don't you know, ship where we eat
55:28
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So I was like, okay, what about
55:31
Speaker 1: Cancun Rich drunk touristy fat Americans. I'm not into that.
55:36
Speaker 1: Not into that. The next one was Marrita, which is
55:40
Speaker 1: the biggest town in the whole peninsula. Too hot, million people.
55:44
Speaker 3: No.
55:44
Speaker 1: So I live in a place called campeche cim p
55:48
Speaker 1: e c G. And it's old, like forty fortified wall
55:52
Speaker 1: city from the Pirates, like black Beard and all that shit.
55:56
Speaker 1: That's here. Bro. Yeah, and found it, looked into it,
56:01
Speaker 1: watched YouTube videos people driving around, videos of people walking through,
56:06
Speaker 1: got the feel of what it's like, looked at the
56:09
Speaker 1: area around it. Okay, still it's like in the middle
56:11
Speaker 1: of the vegetation. Like the biggest city is a million
56:14
Speaker 1: people and that's two hours away from me. This is
56:16
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand. And then the next one is forty
56:19
Speaker 1: five minutes away and it's like one hundred thousand. And
56:21
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, and it's cheap.
56:24
Speaker 2: Bro.
56:24
Speaker 1: I paid freaking six thousand, six thousand euros seven thousand
56:28
Speaker 1: dollars for ten acres. I paid thirty five dollars property
56:33
Speaker 1: taxes a year. You know, it's like, what are we doing?
56:37
Speaker 1: I had to put solar panels out there and the well.
56:39
Speaker 1: That costs a lot of money, and that costs money
56:42
Speaker 1: and building it. They have to like cut into the property.
56:45
Speaker 1: And literally if you cut grass, you have a grass
56:46
Speaker 1: like regular lawn like you do there in a Yeah,
56:49
Speaker 1: I'm from Maryland, so ok so it's kind of the same, right,
56:53
Speaker 1: And uh, you know you cut the grass well, maybe
56:55
Speaker 1: once twice, once every two weeks, maybe once a week
56:57
Speaker 1: something like that. If you have a good long growing
57:00
Speaker 1: and you got your Scott's in there and all that shit,
57:02
Speaker 1: dude here every two to three days. If not, you've
57:05
Speaker 1: got to hit it with a week backer first. It's ridiculous.
57:08
Speaker 2: It rains a lot there storing.
57:11
Speaker 1: Certain times of the year. We're right now, we're just
57:13
Speaker 1: starting the hot season, so between April and June July hot,
57:18
Speaker 1: and then from July till like October the wet season
57:20
Speaker 1: and that thunderstorms in the evening and then there's a cooler,
57:24
Speaker 1: dryer one which is the one that just came out
57:26
Speaker 1: of that. I like, it's my favorite time of year.
57:29
Speaker 1: But it's free down here too.
57:31
Speaker 3: Bro.
57:32
Speaker 1: You think I need a building permit to do? What?
57:35
Speaker 2: Right?
57:38
Speaker 1: What do you need a building perm it for the
57:40
Speaker 1: truck the cars and stuff down here? And they're fucking
57:42
Speaker 1: falling apart as long as you got your license fights
57:44
Speaker 1: on there and it stops and goes to police. Don't
57:46
Speaker 1: bother you, right right, right right, you got your license plate,
57:49
Speaker 1: you paid the state, Okay, see you later. You got
57:51
Speaker 1: your license, Yeah, here's my licens. Sorry, get the hell
57:53
Speaker 1: out of here. They're crooked though, the cops are corrupt.
57:57
Speaker 1: You gotta throw them ten bucks if you like. My
57:59
Speaker 1: buddy from the Netherlands, right, I was working with him
58:03
Speaker 1: and it's like a So we're coming back from a
58:05
Speaker 1: cattle job, a cattle place where we were it's a
58:10
Speaker 1: well with a solar pump next to it to pump
58:12
Speaker 1: the water after the cattle. We're coming back like an
58:14
Speaker 1: hour hour away, and the police pulls over and he's like, shit, dude,
58:18
Speaker 1: my paperwork ran out like last week and I didn't
58:20
Speaker 1: have a chance to renew it yet. You guys looked
58:23
Speaker 1: through his paper. Yeah. You can either pay the fine,
58:24
Speaker 1: isn't it or you can give me ten bucks.
58:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you got ten bucks I get out of here, sir,
58:31
Speaker 2: easy choice. Yeah.
58:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, man. That shit makes me feel uncomfortable. Man,
58:37
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's the only thing that I really
58:39
Speaker 1: really don't like and you get to see the corruption
58:42
Speaker 1: is like right in your face. Yeah, it's it's I mean,
58:45
Speaker 1: my girlfriend is a lawyer, works for the government, so
58:48
Speaker 1: it's like she's like, she tells me things. You're just
58:51
Speaker 1: like really, She's like yeah, god damn yeah. So man,
58:55
Speaker 1: tell us one more time where we could find a
58:58
Speaker 1: YouTube channel and where your documentary will be or I
59:02
Speaker 1: know you not finished with it yet, but maybe we'll
59:04
Speaker 1: we'll find it when you're done.
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Speaker 2: Well, you can find me currently on Exposing the Strange.
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Speaker 2: That's the YouTube channel, my websites Exposing the Strange dot com.
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Speaker 2: And as far as where you'll find me the big documentary,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go through a distributor. I'm not sure
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Speaker 2: if I'm going to go through film Hub or Indie Rights,
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Speaker 2: but they have connections with all the streaming services, so
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Speaker 2: I mean you'll probably be able to find it on
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Speaker 2: places like to be and whatnot.
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Speaker 1: So as a name or a working title.
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Speaker 2: Working title, I'm still kind of batting stuff around, something
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Speaker 2: about Ohio, Bigfoot and dog Man. I don't I don't
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Speaker 2: know yet. I haven't. Yeah, yeah, I'm still working on that.
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Speaker 2: So at first I was just gonna call it exposing
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Speaker 2: the strange Ohio cryptids. But not everybody knows what a
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Speaker 2: cryptid is, so I think I need to make it
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Speaker 2: a little a little more where people can find it
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Speaker 2: if they're interested in the Bigfoot or I mean whatever.
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Speaker 2: So it's hard, yeah, but I will you know, as
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Speaker 2: long as you're subscribed to my YouTube channel, I will
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Speaker 2: make announcements and cool.
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Speaker 1: That way we can stay updated. That's fantasyeah man, David,
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Speaker 1: this has been This has been been a pleasure. Man.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so very much for coming by today.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me on Tom. Maybe I can
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Speaker 2: get down there sometime. We can do an investigation.
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Speaker 1: Dude, I swet of got. I'll hook you up hotel
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Speaker 1: where everyone I know, I know all the time. I
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Speaker 1: know quite a few people are Now that's a small community.
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Speaker 1: Yeah all remember guys, we are the eye. We are aware.
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Speaker 1: I love you all and during your day, night, or weekend,