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#187 - Oktane 22 - Abhay Thomas and Vijay Amanchi · Identity at the Center

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  You're listening to the identity of the center podcast, this is
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  the show that talks about identity and access management
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  and making sure you know who has access to what let's get
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  started. Welcome to the identity that's
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  under podcast, I'm Jeff. And that's Jim.
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  Hey, Jim. Hey, Jeff, how are you?
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  Oh, not so bad yourself. Good.
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  Which? I mean, I'm super pumped right
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  now. We just got out of the keynote
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  session with Earvin Magic Johnson.
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  And I was awesome. Yeah, it was a, it was hype.
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  I mean, it was just like, get on your feet clap.
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  He got out in the audience even which was cool.
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  He signed an autograph. Yeah.
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  Took pictures very Dynamic speaker.
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  I do, you know, I think if You're familiar with Magic
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  Johnson. You probably don't from the
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  basketball side of things but he's a big philanthropist
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  businessperson. Now, just a really good speaker.
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  A supernatural at it. Yeah.
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  Just hitting on on everything and if you're an 80s NBA fan
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  like I was yeah. He pretty much called out like
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  the Dream Team and all the amazing players from back then.
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  So yeah, fantastic. Yeah, and definitely Jordan over
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  LeBron, which I totally agree with.
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  Yeah, so no competition there. So we're here in octane. 22,
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  special. Thanks again to the octave team
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  for helping us get this set up and kind of bring things to you
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  along with the RSM side of things without both of their
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  support, we would not be here, so, or at least not be able to
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  do as much as we're doing here. So, thank you though.
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  Both of those sides for their help in the room here.
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  We've got some friends from a former life.
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  We've got AA, be Thomas, he's a director of application
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  development at Pegasus themes and Vijay.
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  A monkey, who is a senior manager for application
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  development at Pegasus them? Yes.
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  Welcome to the show, guys. Hi.
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  Thank you. So thanks.
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  Thanks for taking some time to kind of join us in our in our
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  little room here before we get to sort of all the things that
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  were talked about kind of pegas Journey from and any prospective
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  conference itself. One of the things that we always
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  like to find out is, how did people get into the identity
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  world, right, what is it that? Is it something that they chose
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  did it choose you? That sort of thing.
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  So, I figure let's start there and maybe we'll start with
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  Vijay, and then we'll go to table a Vijay.
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  Did you get into identity show? My first exposure to Identity
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  started at beggar systems as part of working on this
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  stratigic initiative to revamp, the existing I am solution, we
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  use it beggar. So I was our technical lead.
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  I was trying to understand the basics of how I am works and
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  till now I'm still learning a lot.
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  Out and out of my own interest. I also took a course at Harvard
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  University related to I am. So I think I am.
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  I'm into I am pretty much all the time these days.
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  Yeah. So Tony Russo are Jim, and I are
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  still working. So there's a lifelong career for
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  those who don't who aren't familiar with it, you mentioned
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  Harvard University, they have a really good.
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  I am program outline on the internet.
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  So if you're looking for, like how to like run and I am
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  programmer looking for some ideas, just go Internet and look
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  up Harvard. They make it public.
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  You can draw inspiration from that.
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  Take that as well Abba. How about yourself?
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  How long have you been an identity and what did it choose
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  you? Or did you have another
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  alternative? Yeah, it's been a long journey.
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  So, this was back in 2006. 2007, I believe, when I was Consulting
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  and I happen to be at a customer called All-America Financial or
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  call Hanover Insurance Group now, and they had a
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  long-standing relationship. Up with this tiny company called
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  Thor. Accelerate was the product that
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  they have had, and I happen to be on the project which was
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  doing HR Outsourcing. As part of that, we rolled out
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  identity and access management using the Thor accelerate prod
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  product. So that was my first step into
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  identity. And for whatever reason, since
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  that time always be in in the mix at Pegasus teams and other
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  places as well. So both You guys are part of the
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  application, development side of things and I'm sure we'll get
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  into that a little bit. But for those who aren't
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  familiar, I guess, you know, tell us about Pegasus them's.
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  What? You know, what do you guys do?
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  What does Pega systems do as a company and what problems we'd
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  like to solve? I'm not sure who wants to take
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  that one first. Maybe we'll start with Ave, and
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  then, if there's something you want to chime in with Vijay, go
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  for it, so, we gave it a shot. So Peggy systems has been around
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  since the 80s and it's essentially business Process
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  Management product. So we solve problems for the
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  biggest customers in insurance and Banking and Healthcare, and
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  it's like a rules engine, and a workflow management system.
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  It's primarily a lot of workflow management and that's what we
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  are really good at. And so we do CRM and marketing
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  apps and we have a platform that Of these apps are built on that
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  provides all the workflow management capabilities.
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  You got that well code, no code, type a tough environment Vijay.
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  What do you want to add? Should so if you have ever used
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  a credit card, or if you have applied for a credit card or
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  applied for an insurance claim was part of u.s. survey behind
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  the scenes, Pega systems was doing all the heavy lifting.
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  So, we are like a bass said, it's a an application
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  development platform primarily used for business Process
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  Management and CRM. We have almost like 300
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  customers in the Fortune 500. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was so
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  cool when work with mega systems in the past.
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  Just the idea that, you know, you didn't need to have
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  application developers in order to develop workflow applications
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  so it was amazing. Out how quickly they had the
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  concept of how you want your application to work, how quickly
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  could be put together. And then on top of that, there
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  was kind of you could just basically run it as a service in
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  the Amazon Cloud. You know, kind of have that Peg,
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  a platform and I forget but I the exact number but I think you
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  guys were like the top 10 customers for AWS at least a
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  couple of years back is like holy cow.
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  The stuff that you guys. Guys are doing with AWS the time
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  was completely revolutionary. And I think even organizations
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  doing this stuff today is considered revolutionary and you
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  guys are doing 25 years ago. Yeah that's true and there's a
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  whole Evolution and we are moving to a you know a lot more
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  advanced architecture behind the scenes but yes we are still
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  among the top consumers of AWS Services.
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  Yeah and you guys are Um, based in Cambridge, right?
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  So, I mean, that's kind of like that Think Tank environment.
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  Got a lot of smart people in that environment or in that,
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  that City and the big really Brainiac universe that sounds
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  like I'm so stupid talking about it that way.
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  But it's kind of like it's part of the culture of Pegasus when
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  you say yeah. So if so, what I would like to
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  kind of get into is what is the history of the the Way that
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  Peggy took in terms of I am. So I am is really, you know,
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  such a critical part of what you guys do.
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  But you can kind of talk us through like where you were,
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  where you are today and anything that you're aware of for the
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  future. Sure.
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  Yeah, absolutely. So we started off of course
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  sighing to build everything ourselves, right?
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  Like we do a lot of application development in-house, we do a
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  lot of build your own Stuff. So that's how we had initially
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  tackled. I am as well.
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  So we had a homegrown application built on the back of
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  platform which handled all of the user lifecycle management
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  and even manage the authentication and stored, the
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  passwords of the users who register on our public sides.
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  We even tried to do at one point SSO ourselves in terms of like,
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  you know, it would be a cookie that you wrote from one side.
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  And then the other side would try to read it and try to log
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  you. In of course.
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  Now it wasn't easy didn't work. Great.
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  So the first step of our Evolution was to bring in a
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  third party vendor who specialized in just providing
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  the SSO service. So it was a small boutique
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  player and we continue to use this Mega platform app to manage
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  the lifecycle and manage the authentication.
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  But we had a layer in front that just did SSO.
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  And it wasn't very standards-based but it worked
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  for work for what for work. What was essentially our first
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  step after having run done that for a couple of years, we
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  realize that didn't scale and we were not, you know, on the right
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  standards and we wanted to rethink how we did identity as a
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  whole, right from how the user is created to how they exited
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  the environment. So we And we got introduced to
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  you guys, right? Like, I'd entropy was came into
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  the picture and we said, let's do a discovery of like, what is
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  it that we do today? What what are our requirements?
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  You know, we were getting into the cloud business and getting
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  to be a SAS player. What are our long-term,
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  objectives? You know who are all the players
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  and get everybody together. Let's put down on paper, what
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  our requirements are and, you know, Bill, Do the discovery and
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  and then come up with a strategy and also look at the vendors and
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  do a vendor evaluation. So I'd entropy was a huge help
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  and doing that Discovery was I would say the best decision that
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  we made. I think one thing is you guys
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  had such a think about the, the user environments complex,
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  right? Because you have customers who
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  have, you know, there are people right that need to access the
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  system's, that Pega provides but you have different things.
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  You have the platform where you go and you build your
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  applications. Those customers are building the
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  applications for their customers.
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  Now, there's customer users of the customers customers and then
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  you also have the websites that people go to First support, Open
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  tickets, things like that. So they're probably just, I
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  think the same people that use the platform, but just the idea
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  that they're, you're not solving a monolithic problem, right?
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  It's not just hey, we just have these users who Are kind of all
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  the same. You've got these multiple layers
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  of what you're trying to solve for.
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  Absolutely. Yes.
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  So it is my date multifaceted and it was purely science that
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  we were looking at. So we were not looking to do
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  anything on the workforce side and you know, finally landing on
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  octus I am was was was a great decision.
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  So we really enjoyed implementing OCTA and it's been
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  a great journey with of tell the last Two to three years.
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  Yeah and you mentioned some things that kind of lead to my
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  next question about business objectives.
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  You kind of talked about a you gone out and chosen Boutique
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  vendor and I think the way I'd put it was you kind of outgrew
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  them, right? And they weren't growing at the
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  rate that you were growing. There were small company and
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  wound up becoming kind of a pretty significant risk.
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  Give the size of organization. You were undecided organization.
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  They were so weird. Reducing that risk to me was a
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  clear business objective, is that does that resonate, and
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  then what other show? So, you know bag, Avi have a lot
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  of Partners. We work with, we have customers,
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  we have employees, there are community members who are
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  interested in learning about Pega, they trick training and
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  once they get familiar with training, they might find a
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  project to work on Pega platform.
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  So we have all these different users in different geographies,
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  trying to access all these sides.
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  So our primary objective was it should never never go down right
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  like that. That's that's that's like
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  primary objective and the experience across the side
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  should be world-class so we do not want them to have any broken
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  experience or show them the password screen, one place, and
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  show a different password screen and there.
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  Place so things like that. So those were some of the
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  primary objectives behind choosing a vendor which, which
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  does this the best, right? The other thing, we are not
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  looking just for a couple of years.
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  We, we want we want this solution to stand for our
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  strategic objectives. Like we are getting into Sasso
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  tiger. The platform was more on Perm
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  solution, but with the cloud Trend, we also came up with the
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  solution which turns on cloud. So, we do want to use the same
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  login experience. What people use to train to also
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  access. These sites, are these Cloud
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  instances. So whatever solution we wanted
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  to select, should all work work. I mean consistently true.
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  Should support all these use cases we had.
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  So if I was to wrap it up about the objectives key objectives,
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  high-availability scalability and pushing Us in the right
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  direction talking about the, you know, the vendor the boutique
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  wender. One of the things we did not get
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  from them. Is like, what are the how is the
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  industry evolving, right? Like how should identity evolve
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  and you know, you talk about the latest advances like password
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  less or pathways. Fast key.
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  So those are the things we are not getting and I think, you
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  know, that's where it's been fantastic with talked about it.
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  Some having been in this industry for 20 years, almost
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  impossible to forecast. Like what's going to be real or
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  what are you going to need five years?
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  Ten years down the road and you were developing the strategy
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  five years ago, not knowing that right now is when password list
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  is going to be ready to go true but you need to select T', a
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  stack of vendor. That is going to be is going to
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  be there, right? And it's going to be investing
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  in the platform and not just something that I like, hey, we
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  built it now. It's our cash cow.
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  And so you have to look at that when you're doing a vendor
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  analysis hundred percent. Yeah the you are looking for a
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  vendor who will tell us what we should be doing for?
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  I am rather than we are asking like we want to do this, do you
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  support. So I think that that was
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  definitely one of the primary. - I think that's one of the, I
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  think things that I noticed, you know, Carolina, fourth wall,
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  right? You mentioned, I'd entropy June,
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  I worked on this with you guys. Several years back and it's been
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  a while. But I remember the focus on, you
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  know, not only that it was like table Stakes.
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  Of course, it has to be up, right?
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  Of course, has to be available like those sorts of things, but
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  it was really future thinking to say, okay, where should we be
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  going, right? And not being afraid to have
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  those conversations. Say yeah, this needs to be user
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  experience. That is very Re, you know,
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  top-of-line very good usable not only for, you know, the the
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  inside of it but because of this transition where it was moving
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  more to the customers, customer, right.
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  You mentioned how much work you guys actually do behind the
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  scenes? Of people just, probably, don't
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  know about write, a normal kind of consumer and that Focus that
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  was paid on the authentication side of things, making sure that
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  it was as seamless as possible, right?
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  And now, here we are five years later in the kitchen is roughly,
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  right? And password list is becoming
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  kind of Big Focus. You know, you kind of mentioned
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  that you're an OCTA customer and we're in an OCTA conference.
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  Yeah. What do you get out of something
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  like this? What's the experience been?
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  Like, we talked about Magic Johnson, of course, that was
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  awesome. But what are some of the
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  conversations or things that you've been kind of sitting in
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  and, and trying to learn more about where things are heading
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  from OCTA, the company, and how that might support you guys in
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  the future. So, I think it's been great to
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  be back in person. First first, If so that that's,
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  that's been wonderful. But I think the biggest takeaway
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  from this conference specifically is customer
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  identity Cloud, right. So, we've been hearing about
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  this and the odds zero acquisition and what's coming
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  out of that. So it is good to finally get to
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  hear and see the vision and the roadmap and being auctus.
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  I am customers. The first question that, you
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  know, the biggest question for us is What does this mean for
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  us? Right?
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  Like what does this mean for the work we've already done?
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  Is that a transition plan? Are we expected to get on to
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  see? I see how do we go there?
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  So those were the biggest questions and the conference has
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  been great to help answer and meet the ortho or zero folks and
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  you know ask those questions and get some some feedback about
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  like yeah. So just put that in my words you
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  were see. I am outbound focused.
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  On the octave the original OCTA platform, which is now the OCTA
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  identity for Workforce Cloud. But now you see that well, you
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  know, the company has the customer identity Cloud,
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  probably where we should be the technically speaking.
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  Those are, you know, at this point, that would require some
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  kind of change over, right? Yeah.
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  Right it word. And from what we understood, our
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  take away from meeting the auth0 folks, is that Not something we
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  need to think about right now, right?
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  Like so okay. It's down the line maybe in the
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  next 12 to 18 months, it's very use case based so you could very
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  well continue living on the old platform.
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  I don't want to call it old but Workforce platform but it should
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  still work and it was also interesting that we met Partners
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  last night way telling us, they are in the midst of doing octus.
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  I'm implementations multiple of them and they're still going
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  forward with that. So that gave us a lot of insight
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  like that that it's here to stay.
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  It's not going away. So that's good.
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  Yeah. So for me, definitely coming to
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  an event in person was was a good thing seeing lot of
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  customers. Lot of people around who use
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  OCTA gives us that confirmation that.
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  Okay, the vendor we are using is not just as the real like so
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  many other people who believe in that and we were part of several
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  breakout sessions and hearing their stories how they use?
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  Achter also. Yeah.
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  Definitely learning more about the actors, which an error on
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  customer identity cloud and what it means for us.
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  We have to dig into that but knowing that firsthand
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  Definitely was a good experience.
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  Yeah, it sounds like you're coming away with a little bit of
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  Peace of Mind when it comes to this transition right from OCTA
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  traditional. We're not, we don't say old
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  right? Like that the traditional OCTA.
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  See, I am versus customer identity card, which is the new
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  product version of that, but it sounds like that's not
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  something. I'd worry about right now.
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  Like, you have some time to make a thoughtful decision around
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  when how write those sorts. Of things to be able to move
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  forward. Yeah, yeah.
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  I'm in the, the use cases we have for future, maybe some of
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  them can be solved using customer identical out so we
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  definitely want to evaluate whether it makes sense to just
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  use, cic for those use cases versus continuing versus moving
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  everything. So I think those are the big
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  takeaways from this event. So many throwing aside question
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  out. There you mentioned vendors,
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  we're on the on the show for sort of right here in the Pool
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  hall. What's any good swag out there?
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  Any good little tchotchkes that the vendors are thrown out there
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  to have a favorite. I think we ran into this.
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  Really interesting, vendor back back, back up, back up, back up
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  data. Yeah, who were solving this
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  really interesting problem about?
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  How do you back up and restore your octave configurations?
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  And yeah so that was there was a fun vendor to talk to him.
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  Yeah, swag. As well.
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  That sounds like the same thing for Vijay was that.
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  Yeah, II. Don't think I found any
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  interesting swag. So there was one collapsible
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  bottle. Yeah.
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  Okay. I'm good.
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  Yeah, it's the idea. Sounded interesting.
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  So I have to try and see how it works and all.
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  Yeah. Yeah, Sheriff.
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  I will just throw in here. I get another beer koozie.
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  Huh? I should never have a warm
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  beverage for the rest of my life.
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  Yeah, you know, the problem I have a beer koozies is that they
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  don't It flat and I feel like they're all tip over, think it's
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  right on man, unless you use them a hundred times.
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  Another might be it. All right.
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  Well, let's see. There was some talk.
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  I think of password lists that we just kind of touched on
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  briefly, but I'm curious from your guys's perspective.
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  Where do you guys see yourself on that password list?
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  Journey is, it's been a theme here and not only at OCTA, but
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  at a senate conference that we were at a couple weeks ago.
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  At before that Gartner was another one.
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  But have you guys at Pega thought about password list and
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  how you might potentially? Deploy that it's interesting.
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  I think we definitely want to make the experience for our
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  users very seamless, but whether it will be just the password
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  less experience or it will be a mix of password and password
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  experience. I think we should evaluate but
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  yeah, whatever. Various we can make the
• 23:33
  experience secure and seamless without as doing much just
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  relying on what Doctor provides I think.
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  So yeah. We definitely want to evaluate
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  and see how it works. Yeah.
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  So it's not on our immediate roadmap but potentially
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  something we look into our Focus area being a lot of Enterprise
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  customers. I think Federation is going to
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  be a big big part of our next few years.
• 24:02
  Years roadmap and how password less fits into Federation is
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  still not very clear. Should we wrap up on a lighter
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  note? I think a larger node is an
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  order but after you had where you kind of give us the question
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  before we started and I'm like suffering over it.
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  And so go ahead with your question and then I'm going to
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  ask all of my will can do, I have to include this?
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  So I have to include that. All right, so, you know, folks
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  who know me, I like to joke, have fun.
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  Try to come up with something. Four different for this kind of
• 24:34
  non-identity portion of the show and the one that I came up with
• 24:37
  here and this is, we're gonna go around the room.
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  Maybe we'll go to a gym last since, apparently, he's freaking
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  out over there. Very good album.
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  So, here we go. We'll start with you.
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  I'm going to put you on the hot seat of a, if you had to delete
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  all, but three apps from your smartphone, doesn't matter iOS,
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  Android, whatever you're using and only have three apps left.
• 24:56
  You can keep your phone app like the one that literally H may
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  cause, you know, the one that the thing that nobody does
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  anymore with smartphones. And your text message out so you
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  can have phone text and three different apps.
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  After that. What are those three apps that
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  you're going to keep on your phone and everything else has to
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  go away? Tough question.
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  I would go with my calendar app maps and I think WhatsApp.
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  Okay. So what's up calendar and Maps?
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  Okay Vijay, I would definitely want to keep my alarm.
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  I want to get rid of all my office apps and streaming apps.
• 25:41
  Yeah. If you're asking about what I
• 25:44
  would keep Maps. Definitely.
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  And WhatsApp. I think I can't live without
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  WhatsApp and alarm. Okay.
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  So warm It's apples everyone. Yeah, and maps.
• 25:57
  All right. So we're getting pretty close
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  here or see. I'm seeing a trend.
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  Yeah, Jim. So one of my questions is going
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  to be, do you have to include clock?
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  There's a sound stupid, but I set myself, alarms all the time
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  and I rely on my phone, I could probably get it an alarm clock
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  but for continuity sake will say, no, you have to select it
• 26:16
  because Vijay selected basically the clock right and they are map
• 26:20
  so you do have to include if you want to keep it you want to keep
• 26:23
  it otherwise you have no idea where I can clock it to keep
• 26:27
  basically. My phone is a glorified iPod so
• 26:31
  I have to keep music and you know, I really listened a lot of
• 26:35
  Podcast, but I don't think I could live.
• 26:37
  Without the GPS function. I'm going to go with maps, o
• 26:41
  clock, music and maps. I mean, this is minimalistic,
• 26:45
  man. It's not a good question.
• 26:47
  Three is not a good number. Well, that's the heart.
• 26:49
  That makes it interesting is, what are you gasping?
• 26:51
  Now you're getting angry. Jim.
• 26:52
  Okay, so go ahead job, your turn.
• 26:54
  Well, so I think I think Maps has to be the one at this point.
• 26:57
  That gets out there Maps music. I can go Spotify app Music,
• 27:03
  doesn't matter as long as I have a music app on there.
• 27:06
  And then my third one is actually a game that I use all
• 27:09
  the time when I'm on flights, which I fly a lot.
• 27:11
  So I got to have something to do while I'm sitting there and it's
• 27:14
  this little cheap game called disc brake.
• 27:17
  It's basically just a little thing where you aim basic like
• 27:20
  these balls, you detect knock the knock the bricks off of the
• 27:24
  playing field and as it gets it gets harder by having.
• 27:27
  You have to hit the brick more and more times.
• 27:30
  Do you get tired of that game meant for a while?
• 27:32
  You would think? Yeah.
• 27:33
  But here's why it's great it. Works offline.
• 27:36
  So I can play on a plane without internet connection.
• 27:38
  It's super simple. So it doesn't require like a lot
• 27:41
  of thoughts. I can sit there and listen to
• 27:42
  music and, you know, mindlessly kind of waste time on it and it
• 27:46
  gets it gets interesting and harder later on.
• 27:49
  I think they look it up here. My, my current record is 187
• 27:53
  which I feel very proud of. So if your are a disc brick
• 27:57
  person, it's on the App Store, I think there's an Android version
• 28:00
  as well, but yeah. That's that'll show.
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  You sort of my mentality notice. There were no work.
• 28:05
  UPS. No clock.
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  It was just purely. Like, what am I gonna do with
• 28:09
  Pastime and cut out like a notes out?
• 28:12
  Like, I take notes all the time, but I think of things I put them
• 28:16
  in, you know, shopping lists. Yeah, I don't think three was a
• 28:19
  good number Jeff. I'm just wondering if we can
• 28:21
  agree to disagree. All right.
• 28:23
  Well, let's let's go ahead and wrap it up for this episode.
• 28:26
  Again, want to give a thanks to the octave team, the RSM side
• 28:29
  for supporting us throughout this week that we've been here
• 28:32
  in San Francisco and helping us put together these episodes.
• 28:35
  We'll have links to both Ave and Vijay and their LinkedIn
• 28:38
  profiles if that's cool getting nods, which is great.
• 28:40
  That was great to have her permission on, are very
• 28:43
  difficult to say no at that point but if you've got
• 28:46
  questions about sort of like the journey that they've taken to
• 28:48
  get where they're at from that any perspective, I'm sure they'd
• 28:50
  be happy to have a discussion and we'll also have a link to
• 28:53
  Pega system so that you can learn more about.
• 28:55
  You know, what it is that they do.
• 28:57
  We're on the web, I'd any of the center.com.
• 28:59
  We're also on Twitter, at least for now seems like it's been a
• 29:02
  little bit Ghost Town last couple days but we're on.
• 29:05
  Put her at idac podcasts and yeah with that we're going to go
• 29:09
  ahead and wrap it up for this week, Jimmy over and say
• 29:11
  something. Yeah.
• 29:12
  Are we going to spend the money to get a blue check?
• 29:14
  Now, it doesn't matter anymore. That's a totally different.
• 29:17
  You know what? We should bring that up later.
• 29:18
  Actually, if you have a blue check then it would be oh that
• 29:21
  person paid money to have their blue shark.
• 29:23
  Yeah I mean that's a whole identity.
• 29:25
  Very you know, that's a verified identity discussion.
• 29:28
  We should probably have and pick apart but yeah that's a
• 29:32
  different, a different episode. We'll get into that later.
• 29:34
  All right, will Go and leave it there for this week.
• 29:37
  Thanks everyone for listening and we'll talk with you all in
• 29:40
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