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Father’s Disappearance, Murder Reveal Betrayal · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine for a second the most terrifying moment you can
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possibly think of. For most of us, it isn't you know,
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a monster under the bed or some stranger in a
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dark alley. It's a silence, a specific kind of silence.
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It's that moment when a loved one, a father, a husband,
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a son, walks out the door for something totally routine
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like grabbing milk or meeting a friend, and then just vanishes.
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Speaker 2: It's the break in the pattern exactly.
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Speaker 1: The clock ticks, dinner gets cold, and all your calls
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go straight to voicemail. That safe haven of your family
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life is just it's shattered by a quiet that is
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completely terrifying.
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Speaker 3: It creates this unique kind of panic. Psychologists have a
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term for it, ambiguous loss.
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Speaker 1: Ambiguous loss.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if someone dies, you grieve, that's horrible, but there's
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a process. If someone just vanishes, you're stuck. You're suspended
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in this awful state between hope and.
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Speaker 1: Dread because it just doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 3: It defies everything we understand. People don't just dematerialize.
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Speaker 1: Right, And that's our starting point for today, But we're
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taking it a step darker. We're not just looking at
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missing persons in general, we're zeroing in on a specific,
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really chilling phenomenon that we're calling paternal betrayal.
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Speaker 2: Which is a heavy one.
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Speaker 1: It is because you know, when we think of the
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cultural idea of a father, we think of protectors, providers,
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right the guy checking.
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Speaker 2: The locks at night, the pillar of the family.
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Speaker 1: But today, in this deep dive, we're asking what happens
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when that role is completely inverted.
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Speaker 3: Or when that pillar becomes the target of the very
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people he's supposed to be protecting.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, we are talking about fathers who disappear or fathers
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who are murdered, and the investigation reveals that the danger
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it didn't come from a stranger in a van. It
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came from the inner circle. It came from the people
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sitting right there at the dinner table.
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Speaker 3: So we're working from a whole stack of sources today,
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court transcripts, psychological profiles, and a core text called Vanishing Act,
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the dark Heart of paternal betrayal. And I think we
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need to be clear about our mission here. We aren't
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here to just gawk at true crime headlines. The goal
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is to understand the mechanisms of this kind of betrayal.
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Why do these disappearances.
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Speaker 1: Happen, and specifically, why fake a disappearance? Because the sources
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we're looking at, which cover cases from roughly twenty twelve
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to twenty twenty one, they show this recurring theme. The
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vanishing is almost always a calculated move.
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Speaker 2: It's a stall tactic, a stall tactic.
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Speaker 1: It's not just that someone died, it's that someone actively
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decided to hide the truth to buy themselves some time.
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Speaker 3: That is the absolute crux of it. The disappearance is
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rarely the crime itself. It's the first act of the
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cover up. It's a psychological buffer. How so well, whether
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it's driven by jealousy or greed or these fresh start
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fantasies we're going to get into, the goal is to
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manipulate the narrative. The perpetrator wants to control the story
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before the police can even find a body.
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Speaker 1: So we have a lot to get through. We're going
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to look at a best friend's deadly envy, which honestly,
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it makes you look at your own friends a little.
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Speaker 2: Different, oh it does.
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Speaker 1: We're also going to re examine a very famous family annihilator,
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but through this specific psychological lens, and we'll look at
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conspiracies where wives and even children turn on the father.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be intense, but I think by the
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end of this you're going to have a completely different
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perspective on what trust really means inside a family unit.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. I want to start with a
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case that just it really rattled me. It's about the
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betrayal of brotherhood. We need to talk about Bobby Ferrell Junior.
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Speaker 3: This is a relatively recent case from July twenty twenty one,
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and to really feel the tragedy, you have to understand
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who Bobby was.
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Speaker 1: Right, So picture this guy. He's twenty three years old,
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he's a young father himself, has a toddler, and by
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all accounts and the source material you know, witness statements,
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family interviews, he's just a solid guy, good kid, good kid,
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supportive family, lives in a close knit community, and like
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a lot of guys his age, he has a brother,
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not by blood but by bond, a guy named Keanta Gardner.
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Speaker 3: And we have to really emphasize as the depth of
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that term best friend here. The sources make it clear
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these two are inseparable.
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Speaker 1: Joined at the head totally.
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Speaker 2: They had a history that other people.
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Speaker 3: They're mutual friends. They defended it when you see photos
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of them. They look like family. They were in that
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phase of friendship where you just assume you'll be old
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men sitting on a porch together one day, which.
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Speaker 1: Makes July sixth, twenty twenty one, just so baffling. It's
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a Tuesday, a totally routine day. Bobby leaves his family's
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home with Gardner to do what who knows, Maybe grab food,
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maybe just hang out. It's something they've done a thousand
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times before. But this time Bobby doesn't come back.
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Speaker 3: And this is where that vanishing mechanism kicks right in.
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Speaker 1: Immediately the panic sets in for his family. And I
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want to highlight the mother here, Jenny. She doesn't wait around.
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She knows her son, She knows he wouldn't just ghost
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his family, right, She.
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Speaker 2: Has that gut feeling.
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Speaker 1: So they start plastering posters everywhere. But here is a
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detail from the police reports that just it just broke me.
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While they're out searching, while they're living in this absolute
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nightmare uncertainty, the phone starts ringing, Oh no, ransom.
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Speaker 3: Calls, fake ransom calls.
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Speaker 1: Fake ransom calls. People praying on their desperation. Can you
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even imagine that you're terrified your son is hurt and
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some monster is calling you claiming to have him, just
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to torture you or maybe scam you out of a
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few bucks.
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Speaker 3: That is a specific kind of cruelty that really flourishes
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in the vacuum of a disappearance, and it creates chaos
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for the investigation too. How so well, the police initially
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have to treat this as a missing person casey an
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adult has the right to leave unless there's clear evidence
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of a struggle or foul play. The gears of justice
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they move slowly at first. They have to check are
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these calls real or did he just get on a
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bus to another state?
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Speaker 1: And all this time, what is Kianta Gardner doing? The
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best friend?
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Speaker 3: He gets questioned early on, but you have to remember
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he's the best friend, so he's released. Their mutual friends
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are actually telling the police no look elsewhere. Kanta would
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never hurt Bobby. They're like brothers.
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Speaker 1: So the friend ship itself becomes his cover.
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Speaker 2: It's the perfect shield.
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Speaker 3: He used their shared history as an alibi.
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Speaker 1: But the mask slips. It always slips, doesn't it.
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Speaker 3: It does, And this is where we get into the
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psychology of what we could call the friend who Harbor's
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secret resentment. As the investigation deepened, and this is mostly
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through digital forensics phone records, a motive started to crystallize.
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't a drug deal gone bad, wasn't a debt. No,
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it was jealousy.
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Speaker 2: It's just pure ugly jealousy.
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Speaker 1: Gardner was intensely jealous of Bobby's close bond with a
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mutual acquaintance, a woman named Stacy. It seems like Gardner
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felt replaced, or you know, sidelined. He felt his status
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as number one was threatened.
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Speaker 3: This sounds like high school drama, but these are grown men,
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and instead of talking it out or even just not
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hanging out anymore, he decides to erase Bobby.
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Speaker 1: And here's the part that I had to read three
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times in the documents. He didn't just snap in the
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heat of the moment. This was not a barfight where
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someone fell and hit their head. No, it was a
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cold calculation. The source of that Gardner allegedly paid an
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individual named Christian to eliminate his friend.
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Speaker 3: Okay, tell the listener the amount, because when I saw
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this figure in the court documents, I actually felt sick.
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Speaker 1: Five hundred dollars Wait, wait, pause, did you say, five hundred,
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not five hundred thousand.
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Speaker 3: Five hundred dollars without a k behind it. Two hundred
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out front and three hundred after the job was done.
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Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's a gaming console. That's a car payment.
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You're telling me he valued his best friend's life at
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the price of a used television.
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Speaker 3: It's pathetic, isn't it. But it shows the level of
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devaluation that had taken place in Gardner's mind. Bobby had
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stopped being a person and had become an object, an obstacle.
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It wasn't some grand conspiracy. It was a cheap, dirty transaction.
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Speaker 1: So the plan was executed. Bobby was lured out under
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the guise of friendship, he was killed, and his body
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was hidden. The disappearance was just a stage play, right.
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Speaker 3: Gardner knew exactly where Bobby was the entire time Jenny's
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was putting up those posters. That's the part that's the
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ultimate cruelty of the Vanishing Act. It forces the family
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to live in hope while the perpetrator lives with a knowledge.
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When the truth finally came out and Gardner was eventually convicted,
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the sense of betrayal was just devastating.
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Speaker 1: Jan I'm Bobby's mom. She had this quote that really
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stuck with me. She said, somebody took my whole heart
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and just took it right out of my chest. Wow,
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it's not just that her son died, it's that the
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person who took him was someone they had welcomed into
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their home, into their lives.
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Speaker 3: It completely destroys your ability to trust. I mean, if
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the person closest to your son, the person you defend
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to the police, is capable of this over something so petty,
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then who is safe.
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying. So we see how a best friend, a
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chosen brother can wear a mask. But there's an even
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deeper level of horror because you choose your friends, you
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don't choose your father. And when the person who is
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genetically coded to protect you becomes the threat, the psychological
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damage is just it's total.
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Speaker 2: We have to talk about family annihilation.
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Speaker 1: We have to talk about Chris Watts.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: I know if you follow true crime, you know this name.
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It's a huge case. But I want to just recount
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the timeline. I want to look specifically at the mask
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you wore.
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Speaker 2: I think that's exactly the right approach.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because what makes the Watts case so relevant to
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our theme of paternal betrayal is the performance.
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Speaker 1: The performance Let's go to Colorado August twenty eighteen. If
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you are online back then, you saw this. It was
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inescapable everywhere. We're talking about the Watts family. Chris the
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oil field worker, Shanan, his pregnant wife, and there are
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two little girls, Bella and Celeste.
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Speaker 3: The quintessential Charonting family. Shenan documented everything on social media,
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every milestone, every smile. If you scroll their Facebook, it
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was this curated catalog of perfection, the.
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Speaker 1: Thrive patches, the smiling kids, the nice house. It was
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the algorithm's version of the American dream, which makes the
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silence that much louder. August thirteenth, a friend drops Shanan
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off at her house around two in the morning. By morning,
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she's not answering texts. She misses a duct appointment, and
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this is key.
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Speaker 3: Her shoes are by the door, her phone's there, her
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car's in the garage, but she and her two daughters
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are gone.
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Speaker 1: Now. Usually in a vanishing case, the husband plays the
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role of the frantic searcher, but Chris Wats does something different.
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He goes on the news. He gives that famous front
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porch Interview.
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Speaker 3: The porch sermon, as some have called it. It is
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a masterclass in deception, but at the same time it's
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a massive failure of human mimicry.
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Speaker 1: I rewatched that clip for this deep dive. He's standing
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there wearing a T shirt, arms crossed, kind of swaying
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back and forth. He says, my kids are my life.
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But he's not crying. He's barely present.
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Speaker 3: Body language experts have just dissected that footage for years.
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There's this phenomenon called duping delight that's masked as concern.
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He thinks he's smarter than everyone watching.
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Speaker 1: He thinks he's putting on a show.
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Speaker 3: He thinks he's starring in a movie about a grieving husband,
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but he forgot to learn the lines. There is a
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very specific psychological profile at play here, called the family annihilator.
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Speaker 1: Break that down for us, because to a normal person,
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killing your entire family is just it's inconceivable.
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Speaker 3: So unlike a domestic abuser who might kill in a
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sudden fit of rage, the annihilator is often.
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Speaker 2: What we call a brewder a bruder.
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Speaker 3: They're often white males mid thirties who seem successful on
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the outside but are facing these hidden pressures, debt, or
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in this case, a desire for a new life. They
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perceive their family not as people, but as appendages of
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their own success. So when that success is threatened or
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when they just want to reset, the family becomes a liability,
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an obstacle, and it's transactional completely.
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Speaker 2: It's a cold calculation.
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Speaker 3: To have this new life with my mistress, I must
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amputate my old one. He didn't want a divorce. Divorce
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is messy, Divorce means alimony and child support and custody battles.
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Speaker 1: He wanted a fresh start.
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Speaker 3: He wanted to hit the factory reset button on his
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life exactly. And the vanishing is the cover story. He
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tried to sell this narrative that Shannan had left him
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and took the kids. He wanted to play the victim,
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the abandoned husband, to get sympathy while he started his
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new life with his mistress, nicol Kessinger.
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Speaker 1: But the cracks in that story they appeared almost immediately,
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and we have to talk about the reality of what
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he did because it really underscores the betrayal. He admitted
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to strangling Shanan, but the trickle truth he gave police
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was that she had killed the kids, and he killed
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her in retaliation.
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Speaker 3: It's a classic narcissists move. Even in confession, he tried
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to frame himself as the good father, avenging his children,
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but the evidence, of course, proved otherwise.
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Speaker 1: He drove those little girls alive out to his work
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site with their mother's body in the truck.
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Speaker 2: It's just horrific.
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Speaker 1: The details from the source material are haunting. Bella the
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four year old. She reportedly asked, is the same thing
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going to happen to me as mommy? And then cried
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daddy no, before he.
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Speaker 3: Smothered her that moment, Daddy no. That is the complete
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shattering of the archetype. The father is supposed to be
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the one who scares away the monsters under the bed.
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Speaker 1: In that truck, he was the monster.
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Speaker 3: Monster, and then he shoved their bodies into oil tanks
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to hide them. He tried to physically erase them from existence.
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Speaker 1: It just makes you wonder how well you can ever
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truly know someone. Shenan's parents, the rest of the family,
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they are left with this double trauma. Right, they didn't
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just lose their daughter and grandchildren, They also have to
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reconcile that the man they had Thanksgiving dinner with was
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capable of this.
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Speaker 3: That is the unique scar of paternal betrayal. It rewrites
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your entire history with that person. Every happy memory, every
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holiday becomes tainted because you can't help. But wonder was
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he plotting it then too?
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Speaker 1: So okay, we've looked at the friend killing the friend
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and the father killing the family. But the vanishing act
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has other variations. Sometimes the father isn't the killer.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes the dynamics are inverted, or the father becomes the
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target of the family he built.
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Speaker 1: This is where the hunter becomes the hunted, or.
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Speaker 3: Where the lines between victim and perpetrator just get incredibly
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blurred within the same household. We should look at three
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cases that show the different faces of this, Mark RedWine,
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Aaron Fryer, and Fabio Semiteley.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with Mark RedWine. This one connects a bit
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to the Watts case a father killing a child, but
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the motive is completely different. It wasn't about a fresh
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start with a mistress.
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Speaker 3: No, this was about control and rage. This was twenty twelve, Colorado.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 3: A thirteen year old boy, Dylan RedWine, vanishes during a
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court ordered visit with his father, Mark, a.
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Speaker 1: Court ordered visit. That phrase alone just tells you everything
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about the tension there, doesn't it.
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Speaker 3: It speaks volumes a bitter custody battle. When Dylan disappears,
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Mark Redwine's story, his vanishing narrative is that the boy
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ran away. He's a rebellious teen, he just took off
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a convenience story very But years later, when Dylan's remains
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are found, that story completely falls apart, and the truth
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was the evidence pointed to rage. It wasn't a cold,
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premeditated calculation like Watts. This is what the source is
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called lethal authority. Lethal authority a father's duty twisted into
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pure resentment. The theory is that Dylan and may have
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confronted his father about some compromising photos and it triggered
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a violent rage. Mark RedWine was convicted, But here the
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vanishing was used to cover up a loss of control,
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not a pre planned exit strategy.
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Speaker 1: It's just sickening using your own child as a pawn
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in a custody war, right up to the very end.
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But now let's completely flip the script. Let's talk about
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Aaron Fryer, because in this case, the father is the victim.
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Speaker 3: Yes, twenty seventeen, Aaron Fryar disappears, and you know, usually
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when a middle aged man disappears, you might think maybe
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he walked out, maybe he had a heart attack on
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a hike or something. But the police find blood in
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the home and.
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Speaker 1: The investigation leads to his own daughter, Ellie Fryar.
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Speaker 3: This is what we would call filial betray the child
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turning on the parent. Now, to be clear, Ellie wasn't
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acting alone. She was only fifteen, and she was heavily
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influenced by a manipulative boyfriend in a bad crowd. But
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she helped orchestrate the killing.
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Speaker 1: It's like a Shakespearean tragedy playing out in the suburbs.
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The father vanishes and the call is literally coming from
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inside the house.
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Speaker 3: The source material describes this whole web of manipulation, but
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ultimately the father was removed to clear the path for
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the daughter and her accomplices. He was an obstacle to
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their desires.
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Speaker 1: And that theme removing the obstacle, it brings us to
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the spouse, the partner. The case of Fabia Simontilli.
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Speaker 3: A celebrity hairstylus, yeah, very well known, very beloved in
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his industry. In twenty seventeen, he's found stabbed on his patio.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so initially this wasn't a body disappearance.
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Speaker 3: The body was there, right, but the truth vanished. The
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crime scene was staged to look like a random burglary
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gone wrong.
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Speaker 1: So it's the vanishing act of the narrative.
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Speaker 2: Itself, exactly.
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Speaker 3: They tried to make the real motive vanish, but the investigation,
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as it always does, traced it back to his wife,
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Monica Sementtilli and her lover Robert Baker.
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Speaker 1: The classic love triangle.
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Speaker 3: Motivated by a massive insurance policy. We're talking one point
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six million dollars and the desire to be together. They
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applauded to eliminate Fabio to secure their financial future.
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Speaker 1: It's the same fresh start fantasy as Chris Watts, just
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from the other side.
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Speaker 2: Of the bed. Precisely.
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Speaker 3: The mechanism is the same eliminate the person who is
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in the way stage, you cover up and try to
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cash in on a new life.
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Speaker 1: So I want to pause here and just zoom out
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for a second. We've thrown a lot of really heavy
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cases at the listener. Bobby Farrell, Chris Watts, Red Wine, Friar, Smontility.
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What are the common threads here? Why do they fake
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the disappearance? Why not just leave? Or if you're going
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to do something so horrific, why the elaborate charade.
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's look at the mechanics of the vanishing act.
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Why do it? There are really two main buckets here,
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practical purposes and psychological purposes.
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Speaker 1: Right, let's start with the practical. What's the practical reason?
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Speaker 3: Practically, a disappearance buys you time. It creates a gray zone.
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If there's no body, there isn't immediately a crime scene.
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It delays the investigation. Right in the case of Keanta Gardner,
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while everyone was out looking for a missing Bobby, Gardner
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had time to construct an alibi, clean up any evidence,
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and he even joined the search party, which is.
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Speaker 1: The ultimate camouflage. Look how worried I am exactly.
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Speaker 3: It allows them to feign innocence. Chris Watts did the
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exact same thing. Pleading on TV makes you look like
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a victim, not a suspect. It muddies the waters. It
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forces the police to disprove the missing theory before they
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can even begin to prove the murder theory.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense practically, So what about psychologically.
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Speaker 3: Psychologically staging a disappearance is a form of massive denial.
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If you bury the body and then tell everyone they
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went missing, you don't have to confront the reality that
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you are a murderer.
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Speaker 1: You can tell yourself a different story.
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Speaker 2: You can she left me, he ran away.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 3: It allows the killer to compartmentalize the violence. It preserves
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their own ego. It's a way to avoid looking in
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the mirror and seeing a monster.
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Speaker 1: It's a way to keep up the mask, even to yourself.
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Speaker 3: And if we look at the drivers, the things that
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actually push people to this point, the sources identify four
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main ones that come up again and again.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's run through them.
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Speaker 3: Number one, jealousy and possessiveness. Yeah, that's the Bobby Ferrel
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case right there. If I can't be your number one,
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then no one can. It's a very infantile need for primacy.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Number two infidelity and new life fantasies. That's Chris Watts
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and Monica Semonilli. The family is seen as an obstacle
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to a new romance. They want the freedom of being single,
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but with the assets.
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Speaker 2: Of the marriage.
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Speaker 3: Number three straight up financial gain insurance policies inheritance. We
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saw that with Sementilly as well. The father is literally
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worth more dead than.
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Speaker 2: Alive to them.
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Speaker 1: I'm the fourth driver.
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Speaker 3: Long simmering resentment. That's the red Wine and Friar cases.
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Custody battles, deep family riffs. The tension builds and builds
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for years until it finally explodes into violence.
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying because these drivers jealousy, money, resentment, they are
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common human emotions. We all feel them to some degree,
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but for these people, it crosses a line into something inhuman.
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Speaker 3: And that's why these cases are so hard to solve initially.
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But here's the thing about modern investigations. The vanishing act
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is getting much much harder to pull.
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Speaker 1: Off because we leave digital crumbs everywhere we.
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Speaker 3: Go, exactly in the source material for all these cases.
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The breakthroughs almost always come from technology. Chris Watts claimed
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he was at work, but the GPS on his work
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truck told a very different story.
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Speaker 1: And Kantu Gardner.
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Speaker 3: Kantu Gardner claimed he was with Bobby, but celfhone tower
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pings placed them both at the murder site, not where
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he said they were. The timeline is always the enemy
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of the liar.
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Speaker 1: You can't really fake a digital footprint that easily.
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Speaker 3: No, you can lie to a camera, but you can't
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lie to a cell tower. The truth is usually hidden
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in the mundane details, the metadata, the text logs, the
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GPS coordinates.
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Speaker 1: So I want to talk about the aftermath because when
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we consume these stories, and let's be honest, we often
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consume them like entertainment. We forget about the wreckage that's
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left behind.
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Speaker 3: The survivor's burden is just immense, and it's complicated specifically
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by that mechanism. We've been discussing the vanishing.
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Speaker 1: We talked about Janelle Bobby's, but think about the children
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who survive in these families. Think about Bobby's toddler who
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asked to grow up without a dad, or Chris watts
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is in laws. They lost their daughter and their grandkids,
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but they also have to live with the fact that
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their son in law did it.
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Speaker 3: We call it double grief. First, you grieve the missing person.
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You hold on to that sliver of hope. Maybe they're
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just lost, maybe they're hurt, but they're alive, and that
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hope is agonizing. It's a torture all on its own.
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Speaker 1: And then the body is found.
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Speaker 2: And that hope is crushed. That's the first.
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Speaker 1: Grief, the loss, and the second grief.
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Speaker 3: The second grief is the portrayal, the realization that while
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you were hoping and praying, the person standing next to you,
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maybe holding your hand, maybe even comforting you, was the
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one who killed them. That is a psychological trauma that
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I don't think you ever fully recover from. It breaks
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your reality.
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Speaker 1: It challenges that core belief that our families are supposed
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to be safe havens.
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Speaker 3: That is precisely why society is so obsessed with these stories.
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We watched the documentaries, we listen to deep dives like
21:58
this because these came create what you could call a
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collective unease. We want to believe that the danger is
22:04
out there, the stranger in the night. But these stories
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prove to us that sometimes the danger is in here.
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Speaker 1: It serves as a kind of cautionary tale. We look
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for red flags. We try to convince ourselves, oh, I
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would have known, I would have seen the signs.
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Speaker 3: We want to believe we're smarter than the victims. But
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the truly scary part is often there are no giant
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Neon signs. Betrayal hides in the routine. It hides in
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the breakfast table, conversation. It hides in the best friend
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who offers you a ride.
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Speaker 1: So as we wrap this up, let's just recap the
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journey we've been on. We started with the universal fear
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of the vanishing. We looked at Bobby Ferrell Junior, betrayed
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by a jealous friend who put a five hundred dollars
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price tag on his life.
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Speaker 3: We looked at Chris Watts, the father who annihilated his
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entire family because he viewed them as disposable appendages to
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his life, all while trying to act the hero on TV.
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Speaker 1: We then looked at the inverted cases red Wine, Friar,
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sim and Tilly, where the fog role was twisted by
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greed or resentment, or where he became the victim of
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his own families plotting, and we.
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Speaker 2: Broke down the mechanism.
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Speaker 3: The vanishing act is a lie, a performance designed to
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buy time, and it's fueled by very human, but very
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dark emotions.
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Speaker 1: The central theme here is that father's disappearance murder, reveal, betrayal.
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The tragedy isn't just the loss of life, it's the
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shattering of trust. When a father vanishes. The search for
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the truth often uncovers a heartbreak that is far, far
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worse than the absence alone.
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Speaker 3: It forces us to confront the fact that we can
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never truly completely know what's in another person's mind.
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Speaker 1: And that leads me to a final thought. I want
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leave you with. It's something to mullover. We all think
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we know the people sleeping in our homes. We think
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we know the people sitting across from us at dinner table.
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Speaker 2: You think so.
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Speaker 1: We know there air coffee orders, their favorite shows, their
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little pet peeves. But if these ordinary families, the Watts,
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the Farrells, could harbor them level of darkness, how well
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can we ever truly know anyone?
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Speaker 2: That is the haunting question?
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Speaker 1: Is the perfect family just the one that hasn't cracked yet?
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Speaker 2: A very sobering thought to end on.
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Speaker 1: On that note, thank you for joining us on this
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deep dive. Stay safe, stay curious, and maybe check in
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on your friends. We'll catch you next time.