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The Spaceship House · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody. My name is Preston Dennett, and thank you
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  Speaker 1: for joining me for a new episode of UFOs and
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  Speaker 1: the Paranormal. Got a really special episode for you today.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking about one person's lifelong experiences
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  Speaker 1: with UFOs and the Paranormal. It's a truly extraordinary story.
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  Speaker 1: I call this episode the Spaceship House. It's all about
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  Speaker 1: the experiences of a gentleman by the name of Joe Gardner.
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  Speaker 1: He's this amazing guy from West Virginia. He's worked a
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  Speaker 1: variety of jobs, but really he's an artist and a
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  Speaker 1: very good one, very accomplished. His stuff is amazing, but
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  Speaker 1: his experiences are off the charts, unbelievably extensive, a wide
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  Speaker 1: variety of encounters. He's had many sightings, some of which
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  Speaker 1: he's actually captured on photographs, but his experienced landings as well,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of really amazing and truly extensive on board experiences,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot more than that, a lot of paranormal stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I was very blessed to be contacted by him. His
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  Speaker 1: story is told in my book Onboard UFO Encounters. This
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  Speaker 1: is my most popular best selling book, and it was
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  Speaker 1: a real treat to interview him, because, Yeah, it's not
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  Speaker 1: often that I get to talk to somebody who's had
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  Speaker 1: this level of experiences, this level of conscious contact. He
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  Speaker 1: provides some really extraordinary insights into the nature of the
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  Speaker 1: UFO phenomena, and his experiences are so amazing. So let's
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  Speaker 1: just get started, because yeah, he's got a lot to share.
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  Speaker 1: The first segment that I want to talk about I
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  Speaker 1: call the first sighting. As you may know, people who
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  Speaker 1: are contactees often have experiences at a very young age,
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  Speaker 1: and that's certainly true crew of Joe. He had a
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  Speaker 1: really amazing close up UFO siding with his mother when
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  Speaker 1: he was just five years old. First hint of anything
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  Speaker 1: unusual in Joe's life began with a voice. Again. He
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  Speaker 1: was five years old when he heard someone saying Jojoe, Jojoe,
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  Speaker 1: with a sing song voice, playfully calling his name in
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  Speaker 1: his mind. And as Joe says, I was almost five
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  Speaker 1: years old standing in front of Foodland. My mother and
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  Speaker 1: I were standing in the parking lot waiting for a
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  Speaker 1: cab to take us home. So this was nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: four Huntington, West Virginia, was a bright sunny day. Joe
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  Speaker 1: had brought his little red wagon and they had actually
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  Speaker 1: planned to walk home, but there were too many bags
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  Speaker 1: of groceries, so Joe's mother decided to call a cab.
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  Speaker 1: They were waiting for the cab when Joe looked up
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  Speaker 1: after hearing this voice and saw a quote grayish cylinder
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  Speaker 1: high in the sky. It looked like it was rotating
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  Speaker 1: but was otherwise stationary. So he turned to his mom
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  Speaker 1: and said, Mom, what's that up there? What is that?
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  Speaker 1: So Joe's mother looked up and said it's a satellite
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  Speaker 1: or something. She seemed unconcerned at the time, but later
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  Speaker 1: she admitted it looked more like a quote gray disc.
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  Speaker 1: Now to Joe, it looked more like an unmarked can
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  Speaker 1: of soda pop metallic silver glinting in the sun as
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  Speaker 1: it twirled in space. So they got into the cab.
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  Speaker 1: The object was still overhead, hovering in place as they
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  Speaker 1: drove off. Joe always remembered this sighting, but he never
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  Speaker 1: really thought much about it. He just kind of filed
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  Speaker 1: it in the back of his mind. But soon other
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  Speaker 1: strange things began to happen, including, of course, a missing
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  Speaker 1: time incident, which he also forgot about. But this would
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  Speaker 1: come rushing back into his mind later as an adult,
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  Speaker 1: and there were other events. How cool is that? A
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  Speaker 1: metallic disk scene during daylight hours? He had another witness.
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  Speaker 1: He's very lucky that way. A lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: very much alone with their experiences. But no, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: he's got a lot of corroborating witnesses. And that's how
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  Speaker 1: it all began for him. But certainly this was not
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  Speaker 1: the end of it. Hardly, his experiences were only just beginning,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, shortly following this, he and his family
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  Speaker 1: took a drive and had an incredible encounter which quickly
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  Speaker 1: became shrouded in missing time. He had many strange experiences
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  Speaker 1: following this, but they also became shrouded in this kind
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  Speaker 1: of amnesia. He didn't think about him. He absolutely completely
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  Speaker 1: forgot about them. This is a pattern we see in
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  Speaker 1: quite a number of cases. But soon the memories would
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  Speaker 1: come back, and it was really interesting how this all happened.
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  Speaker 1: He was an adult and he had this major awakening
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  Speaker 1: following some really extraordinary sightings. He had two sightings in
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  Speaker 1: a row, and this changed everything. So I called this
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  Speaker 1: next segment the awakening. So life went on. Joe went
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  Speaker 1: to school, he did really well. He moved up into
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  Speaker 1: the gifted class. He remained there for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: He always studied hard, and finally completing school, Joe went
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  Speaker 1: to college. He studied for a degree in art. This time,
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  Speaker 1: UFOs were the farthest thing from his mind. But that changed.
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  Speaker 1: At six forty five am, precisely on January twenty seven,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, Joe was twenty two years old. His
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  Speaker 1: life changed forever. It was an icy, cold morning, crystal
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  Speaker 1: clear Joan was just beginning to break on the eastern horizon.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the sky was still black and full of stars.
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  Speaker 1: It was a beautiful sight, and as Joe looked towards
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  Speaker 1: the strip of blue sky on the horizon, this is
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  Speaker 1: when he noticed something moving. As he says, this thing
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  Speaker 1: caught my attention. It was a huge green sphere, absolutely huge.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like a big green snowball with a white center.
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  Speaker 1: It started out on the horizon and kind of followed
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  Speaker 1: an arc across the sky. At one point was almost
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  Speaker 1: directly above me. Then it passed over towards Ohio, to
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  Speaker 1: the darker part of the sky, and it just kept
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  Speaker 1: getting smaller, disappearing, And I kept telling myself that can't
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  Speaker 1: be what I think it is that can't be. And
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  Speaker 1: I had the most sickening, repulsive feeling in my stomach.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to go somewhere and hide. Kept shaking my
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  Speaker 1: head and saying, no, no, no, they don't exist. Those
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  Speaker 1: things just don't exist. So this sighting impressed him deeply.
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  Speaker 1: He was a college student at the time, earning a
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  Speaker 1: degree in fine art, and he says, it took me
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  Speaker 1: by surprise. It shocked me. I was full of awe,
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  Speaker 1: but in a way, I had a sickening feeling in
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  Speaker 1: my stomach. So he wasn't quite sure why, but for
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  Speaker 1: some reason, this sighting really left him shaken. It was
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  Speaker 1: strange because he normally didn't scare easily. He excelled at sports.
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  Speaker 1: He would later work as a bouncer and had to
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  Speaker 1: kick some big guys out of the bar. But as
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  Speaker 1: he says, when you see something like that, you start
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  Speaker 1: to question your eyes, You start to question all your senses,
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  Speaker 1: your faculties. So Joe found himself staring at the night sky,
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  Speaker 1: taking early morning walks with his dog, hoping to see
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  Speaker 1: this again. Couldn't get it out of his mind. It
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  Speaker 1: really affected him to the point where he finally went
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  Speaker 1: to a psychology clinic at the university and talked to
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  Speaker 1: a therapist, and after hearing his story, the therapist told
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  Speaker 1: him that he was suffering from depression and that this
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  Speaker 1: had caused him to quote sea lights, and she prescribed
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  Speaker 1: an antidepressant. So Joe was not happy about this. He
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  Speaker 1: left the office angry, disappointed, and it wasn't long before
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  Speaker 1: he realized he actually got off lucky. He would later
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  Speaker 1: share his story with others who vehemently told him that
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  Speaker 1: the UFOs were demonic and he must not associate himself
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  Speaker 1: with them. But it was just two years later, April seven,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, he had another sighting. He was working
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  Speaker 1: late as a bill collector at the time, so when
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  Speaker 1: he got home, he went outside to walk his dog.
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  Speaker 1: This was just before midnight, and as Joe says, my
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  Speaker 1: dog was doing her business right on the edge of
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  Speaker 1: the fence. I looked away out of respect for my dog,
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  Speaker 1: and this thing appeared directly in front of me. It
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  Speaker 1: was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Was like a piece of a crystal chandelier, like two
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  Speaker 1: pyramids stuck together, like a diamond with facets no pun intended.
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  Speaker 1: It was like a diamond in the sky. It was
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  Speaker 1: like it was made out of glass and had a
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  Speaker 1: strobing light inside of it, white hot, like a welders arc.
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  Speaker 1: Was strobing so fast it kind of distorted your perception.
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  Speaker 1: So this object appeared to be a few thousand feet high,
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  Speaker 1: still pretty low, hovering to the southeast, right outside of town.
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  Speaker 1: It appeared, as Joe says, it wasn't too far away.
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  Speaker 1: I could see the edges of it very clearly. It
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  Speaker 1: had blue and green flames racing all around the outline
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  Speaker 1: of it. The object itself was white, crystalline. It was
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  Speaker 1: rotating like a child's top, just hovering in one place.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's where it gets really interesting, because the moment
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  Speaker 1: he saw it, a powerful rush of good feelings swept
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  Speaker 1: through him. He thought, to this object, I see you,
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  Speaker 1: Who are you? And what are you doing here? And,
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  Speaker 1: as Joe says, the next thing I know was like
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  Speaker 1: somebody hit me on the back of the head with
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  Speaker 1: a sledgehammer. No not now. I looked at the thing
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  Speaker 1: and it sent a column of white light like a
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  Speaker 1: fluorescent tube, straight to the ground. It looked solid, and
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  Speaker 1: then it just blinked out. The column of light disappeared too,
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  Speaker 1: so Joe scanned at the skies but saw no sign
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  Speaker 1: of the object. He continued his walks looking for this UFO,
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  Speaker 1: but he was also still overwhelmed by this incredible feeling
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  Speaker 1: of goodness. As he says, I'll tell you I never
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  Speaker 1: felt so good in my life. I've loved a few women,
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  Speaker 1: and they've loved me, but I've never felt such strong
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  Speaker 1: emotions as I did that night. It was like I
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  Speaker 1: saw a long lost relative or a dear, dear, longtime friend.
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  Speaker 1: I was blissed out for three days. I just had
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  Speaker 1: this overwhelming, peaceful, beautiful feeling in my heart. I could
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  Speaker 1: just feel my heart spilling over. It was lovely. I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I needed to go somewhere and pray. So
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  Speaker 1: this really spiritually transformed into a degree that he started
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  Speaker 1: attending church with his dad, became more insist in God
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  Speaker 1: and spirituality. He started keeping a diary to record this
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  Speaker 1: and other encounters. Ultimately, it really sparked his interest in
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  Speaker 1: UFOs and it began to educate himself about this subject,
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  Speaker 1: and he also began to examine his own history of UFOs.
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  Speaker 1: He had just experienced these two incredible ufone counters in
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  Speaker 1: a row, and he wondered could this be a coincidence,
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  Speaker 1: So as he thought about it, he remembered that this
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the first time he had seen a UFO. There
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  Speaker 1: was the incident at the grocery store when he was
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  Speaker 1: four or five years old, and then there was this
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  Speaker 1: time he had gone driving with his family to go
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  Speaker 1: BlackBerry picking. This was the time that they had seen
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  Speaker 1: what they called, quote the spaceship house, and as he
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  Speaker 1: meditated on it, he remembered that this was more than
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  Speaker 1: just seeing an unusual house. This was a landed UFO,
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  Speaker 1: and he started recall being taken on board. As his
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  Speaker 1: memories started to come back, he finally consulted with UFO
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  Speaker 1: researchers such as Donnie Joe Blessing and Leo Sprinkle, and
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  Speaker 1: taking their advice and using meditation, he was soon able
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  Speaker 1: to recall that yes, he had in fact come upon
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  Speaker 1: a landed UFO was taken on board. This is another
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  Speaker 1: pattern I see with a lot of contactees. They can
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  Speaker 1: go through life not really realizing that they're contactees until
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  Speaker 1: something happens. There's a trigger or a queue that really
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  Speaker 1: wakes them up and makes them look back at their
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  Speaker 1: childhood in a new way and realize, huh, something did
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  Speaker 1: happen to me. They kind of are lifted out of
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  Speaker 1: denial and explaining away cases or filing them away and
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  Speaker 1: not thinking about them. This is absolutely what happened to Joe.
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  Speaker 1: He started looking back at this childhood experience where he
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  Speaker 1: went driving with his parents and saw what they call
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  Speaker 1: a spaceship house, and boy, it was more than just
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  Speaker 1: seeing a landed UFO. He now remembered, of course, being
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  Speaker 1: taken on board. And this is one of the most
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  Speaker 1: extensive and interesting onboard encountries I've ever heard. I think
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  Speaker 1: they'll find it really fascinating. It was just a few
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  Speaker 1: months after his sighting at the food Land market. This
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  Speaker 1: was now the summer of nineteen seventy four. Joe and
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  Speaker 1: his family left their home in Huntington and drove west
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  Speaker 1: into Kentucky, just a short distance away. They were going
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  Speaker 1: to pick blackberries, which grew wild along the roads just
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  Speaker 1: off the main highway. This was something they had done
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  Speaker 1: many times before with Joe as his dad, Joe Senior,
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  Speaker 1: Joe's mom, and sister who was not quite a year
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  Speaker 1: older than Joe. So they drove into Kentucky, pulled off
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  Speaker 1: onto County Road nine off the main highway. They were
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  Speaker 1: looking for BlackBerry bushes when Joe's dad said, hey, look
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  Speaker 1: at that funny spaceship house. Now, Joe was sitting directly
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  Speaker 1: behind his father in the back seat and looked to
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  Speaker 1: his left and saw what caught his father's attention. Was
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  Speaker 1: just off the side of the road, nestled inconspicuously among
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  Speaker 1: the trees at the head of a holler, and as
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  Speaker 1: Joe says, I looked and glanced at it, it looked
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  Speaker 1: like a highly polished aluminum was more like a flattened
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  Speaker 1: ovoid shape, but it had a rim around it, and
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  Speaker 1: it was sitting on stilts on legs, was probably thirty
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  Speaker 1: feet in diameter and had two little round portholes along
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  Speaker 1: the bottom. So they all looked at this and marveled
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  Speaker 1: at how strange it was. But they drove on, and
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  Speaker 1: although he only saw it for a few seconds, for
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  Speaker 1: some reason, Joe was electrified by this site, and shortly
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  Speaker 1: after they passed it, he knew he had to say
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  Speaker 1: something to his dad. As he says, it just struck me.
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  Speaker 1: That's a once in a lifetime chance right there. So
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  Speaker 1: I pleaded with him. Joe told his dad, please, please,
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  Speaker 1: please take us back. I want to see it again.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go see the space ship house. I want to
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  Speaker 1: see it. Let's go see the space ship house. And
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  Speaker 1: he just kept pestering his father, and because of Joe's
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  Speaker 1: constant requests, Joe Senior abruptly hold a U turn and
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  Speaker 1: drove back to this spaceship house. Now, this structure was
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  Speaker 1: about one hundred and fifty feet off the road, hidden
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  Speaker 1: among the trees. Weirdly, there was no driveway, no sidewalk,
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  Speaker 1: no electrical wires. Joe Senior got out of the car
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  Speaker 1: approached it first, and Joe followed after him, and just
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  Speaker 1: a few moments they stood right beside it, close enough
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  Speaker 1: to touch it. They could see these two round windows
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  Speaker 1: on the bottom. Dark and his father said, this is weird.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you move. You stay right there, and Joe's father
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  Speaker 1: began to walk around the object. As Joe says, we
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  Speaker 1: thought it odd that there wasn't a front door. I
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  Speaker 1: just thought it was so neat. It was kind of
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  Speaker 1: white aluminum. There were no panels on. It was among
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  Speaker 1: the trees in the shade. There were some windows around
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  Speaker 1: the bottom, and there were more windows around the top.
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  Speaker 1: I was too short to look into the windows. That
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  Speaker 1: were on the top. I just stayed where my dad
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  Speaker 1: told me. I stood right where I was at, and
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  Speaker 1: I put my hand on one of the metal support legs,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember it was like touching ice. So the
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  Speaker 1: more they looked, the more they realized how strange this was.
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  Speaker 1: As Joe says, the house was on stilts, ted round
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  Speaker 1: windows in an upper deck that kind of ran around
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  Speaker 1: the whole perimeter. My dad walked around the back to
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  Speaker 1: find a door, and when he came around the other side,
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  Speaker 1: he had the most puzzled look on his face. He
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  Speaker 1: stood beside me and he scratched his head. Well, that's funny,
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  Speaker 1: he said, there's no back door. He pointed out that
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  Speaker 1: there were no power lines and no gas meter, and
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  Speaker 1: he said this must be one of those new solar
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  Speaker 1: power energy homes. It doesn't have any wires going into it.
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  Speaker 1: So at that point Joe's father actually banged his fist
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  Speaker 1: against the side of it, making the entire object amid
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  Speaker 1: a loud metallic clang, and he called out, hello, Hello,
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  Speaker 1: anybody home Hello. So Joe at this point tried to
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  Speaker 1: look into the darkened windows on the bottom of the craft,
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  Speaker 1: and this is when he suddenly heard a voice coming
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  Speaker 1: from above. Said it was a strange voice, sounded old,
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  Speaker 1: kind of crackly and high pitched, and it said, up here,
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  Speaker 1: up here. Joe looked up and was amazed by what
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  Speaker 1: he saw. As he says, it was a long, skinny,
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  Speaker 1: kind of grayish arm with three fingers, and they were
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  Speaker 1: using the fingers to kind of wave us up. So
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  Speaker 1: his father was still banging his fist against this object,
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  Speaker 1: and Joe tugged on his shirt and said, look, look
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  Speaker 1: up there. That that moment that a thin metallic great
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  Speaker 1: staircase extruded from the side of the craft. Was very
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  Speaker 1: lightly constructed, very narrow. Joe Senior picked up Little Joe,
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  Speaker 1: turned sideways, and together they scaled these stairs, this glatter,
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  Speaker 1: it flexed under their weight. At the top was an
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  Speaker 1: open doorway with a strange featureless silver door, apparently hinged
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  Speaker 1: on the left side. So that's how this encounter began.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, he didn't remember quite a bit of
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  Speaker 1: this fully conscious, but just didn't think about it. It
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  Speaker 1: took a lot more work to recall what happened inside
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  Speaker 1: the craft, but he did, and what he recalled is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: When a person has taken on board a craft the
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  Speaker 1: events they described usually follow a fairly set pattern, and
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  Speaker 1: that's certainly true in Joe's case, but he has many
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  Speaker 1: experiences that I've heard other people describe. For some people,
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  Speaker 1: it's a simple exam or something along those lines. With Joe,
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  Speaker 1: it was quite a lot more than just that. But
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  Speaker 1: here's how his experience began. With going inside the craft.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing Joe noticed was a figure, a very
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  Speaker 1: odd looking man, sitting what looked to him like an
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  Speaker 1: upholstered chair, and as Joe says, he had big black
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  Speaker 1: eyes like an ant, a big round head, spindly arms,
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  Speaker 1: a spindily body. He was wearing a green plaid shirt,
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  Speaker 1: blue jeans, and boots. But when he stood up, he
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  Speaker 1: really looked like a bug because he was tall. He
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  Speaker 1: welcomed us inside. So at this point Joe shouts out, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: that man looks like a big bug. Noah's father immediately
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  Speaker 1: chided him and said, don't say that. That's rude, it's
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  Speaker 1: not nice. This surprised Joe because he couldn't believe that
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  Speaker 1: his father couldn't see what this man looked like. He
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  Speaker 1: was obviously not normal, and yet Joe's father didn't seem
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  Speaker 1: to notice this. Looking around, Joe could see that they
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  Speaker 1: were now in a large, round room, fully lit with
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  Speaker 1: bright white light coming from no discernible source. The floors
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: curved up into the walls, and the ceiling A small
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: shelf or a counter encircled about a third of the room.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Was made of the same material as the wall. No
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: visible seams, no designs. It was as if the entire
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: structure was molded out of one single piece. So Joe's
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: father said, wh wow, this is interesting. Where you get
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: your power from. The man in the craft proceeded to
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: open some low cabinets and showed Joe's father the contents.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Now Joe was eager to see this, so he tried
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: to squeeze between them, at which point his father became
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: angry and pushed him back and told him, you don't
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: know what you're looking at here, boy, you don't understand this.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Joe staggered back, and the man spoke to him. The
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: man in the UFO spoke to Joe and said, there's
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: something to eat and drink on the table over there.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: So Joe looked, and he saw a small pedestal type table,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and there was a plate in a cup or what
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: looked like a plate in a cup. The plate held
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a small number of little black disc shaped objects, which
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Joe assumed were chocolate cookies. As Joe says, I got excited.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I ran over there, picked one up and bit into it,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and it was bitter, terribly bitter. In fact, this cookie
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: tasted so bad Joe said that he put the rest
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: of it back on the plate and looked around for
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: someplace to spit the nasty stuff out of his mouth. But,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: as he says, there was no trash can anywhere, so
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I just swallowed it out of politeness. Now hoping to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: wash the bitter taste from his mouth, he looked at
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the strange cup that it was a pall tumbler, very
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: heavy with thick sides. It looked almost like it was
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: made of stone or pottery, and inside it held a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: greenish yellow liquid with a viscosity closer to pancake batter
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: than juice. So Joe had to use both hands to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: grip this cup up and tilt the liquid into his mouth,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and as he says, as soon as it hit my mouth,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I just blacked out. The next thing I knew when
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I came to conscious and awake, I was lying on
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a cold metal table. I couldn't move at all. I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: couldn't move anything but my eyes. How interesting is that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that Joe's father didn't even seem to recognize that he
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: was dealing with ets and thought this was just an
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: average person, perhaps not average, but not extraterrestrial. He didn't
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: realize it at first. Of course he later would, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you know, Joe blacks out after being given this drink.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: This also is something a number of contactees described, being
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: given something to drink or even something to eat. Both
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: were true in Joe's case, but what followed here was
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: what most people will describe if they're taken on board,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: is being physically examined. This was for Joe the hardest
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: part of his experience. It was the most scary, the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: most confusing, and I think that's true for a lot
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: of contactees, And in fact, it's the physical exam that
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: often people who are contactees will have a real hard
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: time with and it might cause them to label an
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: experience as negative or certainly unpleasant. So yeah, for Joe,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: this was the most difficult part of the experience, but
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: it wasn't all that happened, and when he looked at
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the events that followed, he kind of took a much
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: more expensive viewpoint what was going on. But I call
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: this next segment the examination. Now, when Joe had entered
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the craft, he was dressed in blue shorts. He had
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a yellow and brown striped shirt shoes, But now he
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: had no clothes on except for his shirt, and he
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: was laying on this table on his left side in
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a kind of fetal position. In front of him, he
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: saw his father, who was sitting on a bench at
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the side of the room. And as Joe says, he's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: just sitting there and he's got his hands on top
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of his legs, his mouth open, his eyes wide open
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and unblinking, and I'm looking at him and pleading with him.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I can't cry, I can't shout, I can't wave to him.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I can't do anything but look at him with my
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: eyes and think with my mind. Dad, help me, help me, Dad,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Please help me. But he looked like he was asleep.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: With his eyes open, Joe could see that there was
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: a light shining down on him from above, and walking
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: around the table and into his field of view at
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: this point was a figure who appeared to be wearing
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a white smock much like a doctor's uniform, and he
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: saw this being's arm in hand, which he said had
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: three long, smooth fingers. As Joe says, the fingers were
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: kind of wrapped around what looked like a long stainless
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: steel knife with a handle made of the same metal. Now,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: for the first time since this encounter began, Joe started
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to feel real distress. He thought to himself, they're monsters.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: They're going to eat us. And what happened next was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: perhaps the most unpleasant part of his experience so far,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: as he says, I felt something very cold and hard,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like a rod or a cold pipe just go up
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: inside me, and then I blanked out again. Joe describes
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: this in many ways fairly typical. I suspect there might
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: be more to that, but he is not recalling it
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: because it is unplay as in or was unpleasant for him,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: which I certainly understand. Again, this is probably the most
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: difficult part for people who have onboard experiences, and I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: think again, this is what causes some people to label
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: an experience as negative or unpleasant or scary. But Joe
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: recalled so much more, and it's this next part of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: his experience that to me is the most fascinating because
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: it's not often that people get to have this level
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of recall of what's going on during an onboard experience.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I think perhaps because he was a young child contact,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: he's also have an extraordinary memory, so I think that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: might be part of what's going on here. At any rate,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I call this next segment the tour of the craft,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and this is something that happens to a lot of contactees,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and in Joe's case, it's so amazing. The next thing,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Joe knew he was waking up and he heard his
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: name being called, Joe, Jojo. It was a woman's voice,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: very soft, and as Joe says, when it came to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: there was a tall gray. It was like she was
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: there to be reassuring. She was kind of soft natured,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and she had these big, large almond eyes, real liquidy,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a very slight mouth, just an indentation, but it had
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a slight smile, no nose, no ear holes. I couldn't
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: see any hair. Now most strange was that this gray
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: had a kind of sparkly aura of glittering, glowing particles
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: that appeared to be swirling in a vortex around her head.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: But she was very gentle, very comforting as she roused
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Joe to full wakefulness. This gray held Joe's right hand
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and telepathically asked him would you like to see the ship?
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And Joe said yeah, so this gray helped him down
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: off the table. Joe could now see that the table
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: was not so metricle, but instead appeared to be curved
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: with a minor dip in the center. The bright light
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: that had been above him was now gone. The room
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: seemed enveloped in a kind of hazy twilight, where it
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: was kind of a low lying fog or mist swirling
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: around the base of the floor. Joe could smell something
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: like sulfur and acrid odor. But this female gray led
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Joe up a shallow ramp which appeared to spiral around
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a central column and up to a higher level. So
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they climbed up, leaving this room behind. While Joe had
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to walk, the female gray seemed to glide upwards without
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: even moving her legs, and once on this upper deck,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Joe now saw that the floor, which had been white,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: now appeared like smoothly polished black obsidian glass, and the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: room itself was so large he couldn't even see any walls,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and instead his attention was drawn to three chairs much
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: like you'd see in a dental office, he said, with
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: a large pedestal like base, a footrest, thick armrests, other equipment.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: The chairs were all in a row, and sitting in
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: each one was a member of his family, his father,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: his mother, and his sister. They were reclined backwards and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: not moving. A cone of light shone down from above
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: over each of them. Otherwise the room was dark, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: there was a blur of activity swirling like a whirlwind
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: around each of them. The movement was so rapid Joe
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: was not fully able to register what he was seeing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: But when he saw his sister sitting there with her
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: mouth and eyes wide open, with all that weird activity
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: around her, he became frightened and upset, and he screamed
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: out stop, stop, and he pointed out his sister and said,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you're hurting my sister. You've got to stop. This point
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the gray leaned down, placed her forehead against Joe's forehead
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and told him telepathically, it's just to check up. It's okay,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: it's just a checkup, and she repeated it several times
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: until Joe finally calmed down. Joe still couldn't see any walls,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: but it was clear that this structure that he was in,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: this spaceship house, was far larger on the inside than
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: it had appeared on the outside. Now still holding his hand,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the Gray asked, Joe, would you like to see the stars?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: And Joe said yes, as Joe says, so she took
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: me up to an upper level where I could definitely
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: see where we were under some kind of dome. I'm
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: not sure how big, but it was pretty expansive, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: we could see the stars through the dome. At this point,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the Gray was peering upwards at the stars with what
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: appeared to Joe to be wrapped wonder and a fascination.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: She seemed more impressed by the view than Joe himself was,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: thinking that there must be something else up there to see.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: He turned his attention back to the view, but it
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: was just a field of stars. He turned to the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Gray and said, wow, there's so many of them. So
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: there you go. That's Joe's onboard experience. He wasn't able
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to recall much more than that. His next memory is
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: actually waking up and being back in the family car,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: but an amazing on board experience involving a physical exam,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a tour of the craft some messages. These are the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: kinds of events that people often describe when they're taken
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: on board. And it took again Joe a long time
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to remember all of this, But what happened next is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: something that he recalled pretty much fully consciously right away,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: just buried it, didn't think much about it. And this
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I call the return. This is often a very memorable
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: part of a person's experience because they realized they had
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: missing time. So, yeah, the whole family went through this
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and it's really quite extraordinary. Joe really can't say whether
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: or not there was more to this experience. All he
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: can say is he experienced a sort of memory lapse,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: as if it was a slice of time gone from
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: his life. And the next thing he remembers is sitting
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: in the back seat of the car again behind his dad,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and he says, it's almost as if the car hit
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the ground with a thud. They were going seventy eighty
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: miles per hour. His mom was hysterical, his dad was screaming,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: near hysterics, and Joe's mother was screaming, what happened, what happened?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: She was crying, so is Joe's sister, who was now
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: crouched down in her seat, practically under the seat. Joe
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: tried to sit up, and his dad screamed at him,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: get down in the seat, get down. Joe's mother was
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: still screaming what happened, and Joe said, then, damn, people
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: are weird. So, as Joe says, I tried to get
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: up out of his seat, off the floor. There I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to look. I looked out the rear window and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I saw a bright light and two figures in front
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of the light, two silhouettes like paper dolls. The air
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: was really heavy. I remember a smell in the air.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: My dad was upset, he was damn angry. My mother
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: was hysterical. So Joe's mother just kept repeating what happened,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: what happened Joe and Joe Senior said, I don't know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna kill them. Joe had never seen his
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: father cry before, but now his tears were flowing, and
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: his father was just swearing. He said, those no good
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: son of a bitches, said all kinds of curse words
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: and said I'm gonna kill them. I'm gonna kill them.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: So he was angry. They raced down the road, just
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: trying to put space between themselves and this incident and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: drove for several minutes when Joe's mother suddenly asked, where's
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the refinery. We should be able to see it because
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: there was this large, highly visible oil refinery nearby and Katlitsburg, Kentucky.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: These smoke secks were visible for miles around and at
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that point they should have been near it, but there
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: was no sign of it, and they realized that they
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: were somewhere else in an unfamiliar area, and as Joe's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: father said, I think we got lost, so he pulled
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a U turn. Very eager to return home, they raced
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: back in the other direction, when without warning, their speed
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: was halted by a thick wall of fog stretching across
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the width of the road. As Joe says, there was
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a big wall of fog, a thick wall, and then
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: that smell came back, that sulfur smell, and we had
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to slow down. So they were just crawling along when
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: after a few minutes they saw this bright red strobing
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: light and Joe couldn't believe what he saw next, as
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: he says, as we came through that embankment of fog,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: there was a big red fire engine parked at an
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: angle blocking almost all the road, and it looked just
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: like the toy fire engine I had at home with
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a ladder on it. The headlights were on. There was
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: one single solitary fireman standing in front of the fire
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: truck holding a hose, and he had a big smile
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: on his face. He was just waving at us. He
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: was wearing a yellow fireman slicker with a big hat,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and he looked just like the fireman I had seen
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: on the wall at school. So later, in hindsight, Joe's thinking,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: this is probably a screen memory. But at any point
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: they had to pull off onto the shoulder to move
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: past this truck, and they immediately got out of the fog.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: They found the signposts leading to home. Joe's father was
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: still seething with anger, while his sister was crying, and
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: his mom kept saying, you know what happened, But as
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Joe says, there was just this uneasy quiet as we
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: got home. We pulled into the driveway, we got out
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of the car. My mom's still crying in a hysterical
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: My dad has calmed down, but he's not talking. He's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: carrying my sister, who's just sobbing, walking alongside them, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like, why are they so upset? Why is everyone
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: so hysterical? So Joe's mother turns to his dad and said,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: what happened Joe, and Joe's dad says, I don't know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. This confused Joe because he knew exactly
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: what happened, and he said so he announced loudly, we
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: were on a spaceship, don't you remember. At this point,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Joe's parents looked at him with incredulous shock. They stumbled
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: back inside. Joe's mother looked at the clock. It was
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: now two in the morning. This blueberry picking trip, which
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: should have taken an hour or two, had taken ten
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: hours or more. And as Joe says, I'll never forget
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that night, we all fell asleep in a big pile
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the living room floor. My dad
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: was clutching me so tightly that I had to peel
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: his fingers back to get up and go to the bathroom.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: In the morning, we were all laying in a pile
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the floor. As you can imagine,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: experience like that is hard to forget. When you have
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that long of missing time, so many people involved, It's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: going to be something that people are going to remember.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: So that was really what allowed Joe to dig back
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: into his memory and confirm that something happened. Then he
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: needed to remember this missing time, which he was able
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: to do fully consciously without the aid of hypnosis. That's
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: an important detail because there are some skeptics out there
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: who say, ah, this is all just hypnotic recall. Not true.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: In fact, it's rare that I talk to witnesses who've
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: used hypnosis to recall their encounters. Certainly, it does happen,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: but I can tell you that in the books I've written,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: it's about ten to twenty percent of Bob and cases
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: recalled through hypnosis. So that's another thing I really like
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: about Joe's encounters. He remembered that fully consciously. Now, this
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: next segment is important because having an onboard encounter, or
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: really even just as sighting in some cases, can be transformative.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: It changes a person's life forever. And that's absolutely true
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: in Joe's case. And not only that, there are some
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: consequences and we start talking about what happened to you,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: and people kind of push back. They might not believe you. You
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: might become the subject of ridicule and disbelief. So Joe
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: had to deal with that, and it actually went much
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: farther than just that. The following this, they all reacted
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: in different ways. Joe's sister completely denied it ever happened,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: refused to discuss it. Joe's mother only remembered seeing this
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: flying saucer house along side the road, and Joe's father
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: would not talk about it. But for Joe, he was
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: deeply impacted. He remembered quite a bit of it. He
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: started drawing the craft over and over again, trying to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: get the details correct. His father caught him doing this,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: took these pictures, crumpled them up, and threw them in
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the trash, but it didn't stop Joe from drawing more pictures,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: which he hid beneath his bed. His father found those
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and destroyed them too. Now Joe had just started kindergarten
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: and he was talking to everyone he met about being
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: taken on board this spaceship and still drew pictures of
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: this craft and pictures of this weird bug like man
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: he had seen on board. Once again, his father found
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the pictures and threw them away, and Joe still talked.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It was a month or two after the encounter. Two
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: of Joe's young cousins visited and he told them me
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and my dad went on a spaceship together. We were
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: on a spaceship. They're like, no, you're lying. But, as
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Joe says, just then, my dad had walked in from
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: work and he walked past my bedroom and one of
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: them said, mister g did you all go on a spaceship?
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And he didn't say a word, but he nodded his
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: head yes, and then just walked on by. That's the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: only time he ever acknowledged it. I felt full of
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: pride right there and then, and I was like, aha, see,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and my cousins were like wow. Now. Just a few
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: weeks later, something happened which would make Joe bury this
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: experience in his mind for years. It was after school.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: A man drove up and a sedan came to the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: front door who was wearing a dark suit mirrored sunglasses.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Joe's father and the man talked privately for several minutes,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and the man left, and as Joe says, I'll never
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: forget it. When the man left, my dad came in
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and he picked me up off the floor with both
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: hands on my shoulders, holding me to the wall, rottling
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: me and shaking me, and his father said, you gotta
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: stop talking about this stuff. He was nearly at the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: point of tears, and Joe's like, what about the spaceship.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: His father said, yes, stop talking about it. They're going
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to lock us up in the nuthouse. And Joe was
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: crying at this point and said, but you were there, dad,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you were there. His dad said, I know, but you've
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: got to stop talking about this or they were going
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to take you kids away and lock us up in
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the nuthouse. So, as you can imagine, Joe is devastated
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: because he knew he was telling the truth. He really
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: had been on a spaceship. Didn't seem fair to him
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: that he couldn't talk about it, But that incident was
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: enough to make him stop talking, and in fact, he
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: did his best not to even think about it, just
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: forget about it. This had a huge effect on him,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: as Joe says, was pretty traumatizing. Basically, you shut up
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: after my dad said you've got to quit talking about this.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I actively buried it because it made me so sad.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I was filled with depression. I can't talk about something
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: that was real. So yeah, Joe effectively locked this experience
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: up in his mind and didn't think about it. Such
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a shame, really poignant. You know, a person can have
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: this amazing experience and essentially they're not able to talk
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: about it. There's the trauma of the experience itself, and
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: then there's the aftermath, the trauma of people's reactions to it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And then being visited by a men in black basically threatened.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: That really shook Joe up. And again it was that
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: reaction that really caused him to stop thinking about this,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: bury it, live a normal life, deal with it later,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: but he did so. It's amazing that he was able
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to get work through all of this and recall it
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: fully consciously, and that one on board experience was not
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: his only on board experience. It was just a short
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: time later a few years he had an even more
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: extraordinary and wholly benevolent encounter being taken on board, meeting
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a human like et and going on this fantastic journey
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: into outer space. I call this next segment the trip
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to Saturn, and boy is this interesting and very much
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: like some other accounts of people I've interviewed. It was
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: three years after that, Joe's now eight years old in
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: third grade, that he woke up one evening in his
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: bedroom to hear his name being called again. It was
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the same Jojo Jojo. Was a male voice softly echoing
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: telepathically in his mind. So Joe sat up in bed.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: His sister was asleep on the other side of the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: room in her bed, and he heard this name again
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: echoing in his head. Still, he looked around for this source,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out who was calling him. He went
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: to his sister's bed tried to wake her up, but
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: could not wake her up. And as Joe says, I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: looked outside the window and I could see across the
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: street by the railroad tracks a man on top of
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a dark saucer. He had his left hand on his
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: hip and he was waving at me with his right hand.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And that's when I realized the voice was coming from him.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: So the man at this point told him telepathically, do
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: you want to go for a ride? So Joe was
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: thrilled with delight he said yes. He lived on the
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: second story bedroom that had a very creaky wooden staircase,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: so he had to scoot down the steps on his
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: bottom so it wouldn't make any noise and wake anybody up.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: He undid the dead bolt on the front door, and
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: wearing only pajamas and a pair of socks. He crept
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: across the street up to this flying saucer and as
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: he says, it was on stilts. It reminded me of
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the first one, but it was all black and didn't
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: have a rim on it. It had a ladder I
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: had to climb up, so Joe scrambled up this ladder.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: The man now stood in a doorway and invited Joe inside,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and he appeared to be totally human. He wore a
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: one piece jumpsuit that covered his entire body from head
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: to toe, much like a scuba suit, Joe says, so
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: there was an ear and an antennae alongside his head.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: A visor covered his eyes, so the only opening was
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a small oval around the mouth. Joe could see he
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: had white skin no facial hair. The man smiled very
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: friendly led Joe to a large chair near the center
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: of the room. The man sat in the chair and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: scooted back and placed Joe on the chair as well,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and Joe was now a naze to see the walls
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: fade away and become completely transparent. As Joe says, it
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: was like he were sitting in wonder Woman's jet. Everything
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: was just transparent, so other than the chair and some controls,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the craft was now invisible. He could see two levers,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: kind of hand sized, much like joysticks, side by side
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in front of him. One lever, the man said, controlled acceleration,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: while the other controlled the steering. And he placed Joe's
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: hands on the levers and instructed him on how to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: fly this craft. And he asked him, do you you
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: want to see a bird's eye view of your house?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: And he pulled on the levers and suddenly the craft
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: was over their house. Joe peered down, amazed to see
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: how high up they were. The man then said, do
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: you want to see a bird's eye view of your school?
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: And Joe said sure. So the man continued to use
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: this term bird's eye view and led Joe farther and
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: farther upward over the city and then over the earth itself,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and he couldn't believe it. He could now see the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Earth just hanging there. It was one of many images
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: from this encounter that Joe would never forget. But this
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: is when it got even more amazing, because the man said,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: do you want to see Saturn? Joe at this point
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: was distracted by the view below him, and he was
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: struggling to think. You know what's Saturn? He asked the man,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and this man was smiling, clearly enjoying Joe's enthusiasm, and
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: said it's the planet with the rings. And Joe said yes,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: and he was a watch the stars suddenly race by.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: He saw it look like another planet go whizzing by,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and then suddenly there was Saturn. Joe was amazed because
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: this was not a dream, this was really happening, and
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: staring at Saturn, Joe now remembered seeing this planet in
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: their encyclopedias at home. At some point they turned around.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: As Joe says, I don't remember much conversation on the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: way back, other than it seemed like he was having
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: a good time watching me have a good time, like
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you're watching a kid play with the toy. He had
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a smile. So they returned home, hovered above the Earth,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and as Joe says, at one point he let me
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: hower the craft. So Joe took the controls and as
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: soon as he did, he accidentally drove the craft right
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: into the ground, and as he says, I could see
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the rocks. We were passing through the rocks and there
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: were all these sparks flying, dirt everything. At this point,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the man laughed good naturedly, took the controls back and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: guided this craft back towards Joe's home and told Joe
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: don't talk about this. He was speaking out loud at
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: this point, and this upset Joe because he's like, why
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: can't I it's not a lie. If it's not a lie,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: why can't I talk about it? And the man just said, no,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: you can't tell kids about this, And I know you
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: want to. Don't talk about this because they'll tease you,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: just like they tease you about being fat. You know
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: how they make fun of you because you're heavy and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: it makes you feel bad. Joe's like, yeah, The man said,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: they'll teach you about this in the same way, so
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Joe said okay, though he would later disobey this. And
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: then the man gave him some advice, placing great importance
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and emphasis upon it, and he said, to Joe study science, astronomy,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and math. Joe promised that he would, and the next
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: thing he knew, he was back in bed. Of course,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the following day, Joe couldn't resist telling his best friend,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: as he said, I felt like if I could just
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: tell one person, I had to tell him, but he
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: didn't believe me. Joe came away from this experience absolutely
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: convinced it was real. As he says, for days, I
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: had this phantom feeling in my hands of touching the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: joystick and the lever. I had this phantom feeling in
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: my hands for days and days and days. But once again,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: like the prior experience, he slowly forgot about it, or
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: didn't think about it, just shoved it away and forgot
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: about it. That is so amazing to me. I've talked
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to a lot of people and yeah, sometimes they will
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: be taken to the observation deck and showing a field
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: of stars the Earth down below. Joe had that in
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: his previous experience, but in this one he was taken
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: to see the planet Saturn. How cool is that. I've
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: only heard that a handful of times, but a number
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of people have reported exactly this. Also super interesting is
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that they put him down in the seat and let
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: him pilot the craft. How amazing. Grant Cameron, of course
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: wrote a book called Sky Pilots, which profiles dozens of
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: cases of people who've had that experience, and as you
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: may know, I interviewed a lady by the name of
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Dolly Saffron who had a lifetime of these kinds of experiences.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: So my point to is it's not unique. This is
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: something ETS do. They will take you up to the
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: control room, teach you how to pilot the craft. It's
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: so interesting. Now Joe, having remembered these two onboard encounters,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: which again were largely shrouded in amnesia or he just
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: pushed him into a drawer and didn't think about him,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: he started to look at his past in a different
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: way and he wondered, like many contactees do, am I
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: the only one in my family who's having these experiences?
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: So he started asking around. He asked his mother and
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: got a huge shock and some real confirmation when she
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: described an amazing that was clearly more than justice sighting.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So I call this one a history of encounters. And
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: this is true for almost all contactees. It's generational, and
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: that's true in Joe's case. So years go by and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: he has those two amazing encounters that cause him to
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: wake up and really dive deep and remember all of this.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: And this is when he decided he was going to
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: talk to his mom, and he learned that she still
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: remembered seeing the flying saucer back at Foodland, and then
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: he asked her, have you seen anything else? And it
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: turned out she had when she was a little girl,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: she said, long before Joe was even born. She was
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: eight years old, living in her parents' home and Wheeling,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: West Virginia. She had come home from school and went
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: outside to play with her toys under the tree in
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the front yard and got this creepy feeling that somebody
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: was watching her. She looked up and saw this dark
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: football shaped object hovering overhead. It immediately tilted towards her,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: revealing itself now to be more saucer shaped, and it
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: then dropped from the sky moved towards her, at which
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: point she blacked out. What seemed like moments later, she
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: was still under the tree, only it was now dark,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and knowing she would be in deep trouble for being
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: out after dark, she scooped up her toys and ran
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: back inside, and opening the door, she was confronted by
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: her entire extended family. Many of them were clustered around
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the family's only phone, and everybody was utterly shocked to
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: see her and rushed over to her and asked her
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: where have you been? And she said, I've been out
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: playing under the tree with my toys, and they said, no,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: you haven't. Look at the clock. So she looked at
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: the clock and could now see it was after nine
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: p m. She had seen this UFO shortly after three
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: p m. This meant that there were six hours she
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: could not remember. And her mother asked, who have you
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: been fighting with? And she denied that and said, I
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: haven't gotten in a fight, and her mother said, you're lying.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Look at your dress. At this point, Joe's mother looked
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: down and could see that her dress was covered with blood.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: She hadn't even realized she was bleeding until now and
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: traced the pathway to the blood up to her nose.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: So she had a bloody nose that she could not explain.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: And as a result of coming in late, she received
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: what she called quote the beating of her life. So
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: that was a very traumatic incident for her. Her health suffered.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: She had some jaw pain, headaches, and earaches, and this
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: kind of intrigued Joe because he had recently suffered from
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: some pretty severe, unexplained nosebleeds, bad enough that he had
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: to seek medical attention. And this is when the doctor
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: told him something that really surprised him. The doctor said,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: You've got the most deviated septim I've ever seen in
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: my life. Have you ever had your nose broken, which,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: of course Joe hadn't. He later learned that some contact
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: these do report sinus problems, but he wondered if this
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: could be something that had happened to him during his encounters.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Amazing is that Joe finding out that his mother had
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: also had contacts really shook him up, but it also
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: provided a level of confirmation that I think brought some
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: level of comfort as well. Finding out he had medical
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: evidence supporting his encounters was also a level of confirmation.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: So now he knew, I mean, there was no doubt
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: that he was a contactee and was undeniable. This brought
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: UFOs to the forefront, became a pretty big part of
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: his life. He was really seeking answers as to what
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: was going on with him and this really ramped up
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: his contacts. He began having a series of amazing sightings,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: was able to capture some of them with a camera.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: He got photographs, so a lot of evidence to support
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: his case. More witnesses in his friends, his girlfriend. They
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: had encounters as well along with him. So he now
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: started having actual telepathic communication and what we call downloads.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: So I called this next segment more sightings and telepathic contact,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: and it brought a whole new understanding to what was
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: going on with him. The one day, Joe spoke with
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: a neighbor from down the street and mentioned his UFO experiences.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: When the man said he'd always wanted to see a
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: UFO and was at that moment, a bright light appeared
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: in the sky behind the man, and Joe shouted, turn around. Look.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: The two of them observed a bright object darting around
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: and it quickly took off. So this was an incredible synchronicity.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: His neighbor said, thank you for showing me my first UFO.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: He was obviously very impressed and slightly freaked out. In fact,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: from that day on the neighbor of Joe they never
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: spoke again. And it was at this point that Joe
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: was beginning to see a lot of UFOs. It seemed
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: like whenever he'd look up into the night sky right
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: where he stared, a starlike object would appear, dart around,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and disappear. He should this happen many times other times
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: during the day, He'd be outside and a flash of
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: light would catch his eyes, and looking up, he'd see
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: this silver, kind of cigar looking craft, and it would
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: usually promptly disappear. He did notice a weird pattern. If
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: he would stare at the object, not take his eye
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: off of it, it would remain in view, but if
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: he tried to get a picture or another witness, or
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: if he even so much as blinked, it would disappear.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: It was kind of this frustrating game of peek a boo,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: which provided just enough excitement to keep him hooked but
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: no real answers. But after many attempts, Joe was finally
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: successful in obtaining a number of photographs, some of which
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: clearly show an anomalous object. One such an incident happened
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: in March of two thousand and seven. Joe and his
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: friend decided to try and capture some UFO photographs because
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: they had been seeing a lot of these objects and
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: we're not having any luck. When suddenly, Joe clearly heard
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend mentally telepathically calling his name. It was very strong,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and she was at home, so Joe felt compelled to
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: rush home and was at that moment a UFO appeared,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: and this is when his friend quickly snapped a few
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: photos of this tiny little disk, as they called it.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: But Joe's compulsion to return home was now overpowering, so
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: they rushed home, and this is when they found Joe's
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: girlfriend sitting on the couch and she said something was
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: here above the house. This was when Joe and his
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: friend were out looking for UFOs, and she said she
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: felt this sudden impulse to go outside and saw I
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: quote large round, dark mass. It had little lights blinking
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: all around the circumference, and she knew immediately it was
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: one of Joe's UFOs because when she had first met him,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: he warned her that UFOs followed him around, and she
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: thought he was just trying to push her away, but
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: he assured her that if they were going to be together,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: she would soon know the truth, and by the time
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: of this sighting, she already knew, but it was still disconcerting,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: and now seeing this UFO hovering low overhead, she ran
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: back inside and screamed for Joe to come home, and
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Joe heard her telepathically quite some distance away. It was
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: following this incident they did notice a weird smell of
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: sulfur in their home. But it was that same exact
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: night something very incredible happened. Joe had a follow up
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: sighting to his nineteen ninety nine encounter where he had
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: seen that beautiful diamond like object which spoke to him
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: telepathically and said no not now, sent down a beam
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: of light and disappeared. It was just a few hours
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: after this sighting that had just occurred. Joe's relaxing in
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: bed had just closed his eyes when this weird, strange
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: writing began to scroll across his field of vision. His
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: eyes were closed, but he could see this weird, cursive
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: looking script rolling past only in his mind's eye. He
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: couldn't make any sense of it, but just coming and coming.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: And then at the bottom of all this he saw
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: what he described as quote a funky looking gray and
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: it had a hand extending towards him. And just to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the right of it was that same spinning diamond shaped
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: object that he had seen in nineteen ninety nine. So
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: this freaked him out. He opened his eyes and all
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: of it disappeared. He closed his eyes again, and there
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: it was that strange script, the same gray, and the
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: same diamond shaped UFO as Joe says, I couldn't process
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: what I was seeing, so I got up and went
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom. I looked out the window and there's
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: this object less than fifty yards away from me. It
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: looked like a glowing red fez hat bright cherry red
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and a blinking strobe on the bottom of it. So
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Joe went to the bathroom woke up his girlfriend. He
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: expected to be gone by the time he returned, but
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: it was still there and they observed it together. It
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: was about the size of a small car, maybe two
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: hundred feet over the alley behind their house, and Joe
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: pointed it and said, that's one of them. So at
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: this point he grabbed his phone called his friend who
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: lived in an apartment across the way there, and Joe
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: told him to go outside and look that there was
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: a UFO. And it was a weird thing because there
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: was this interference over the phone that garbled up Joe's speech.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: He had to make himself understood, but he did, and
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: his friend grabbed his new digital camera, the same one
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: that he had used to capture a UFO picture just
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: hours ago, and ran to the window. Sure enough, there
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: was the object. He pointed the camera at it and
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: the power went instantly dead, so Mark ran inside put
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: in new batteries. The camera was working again. He pointed
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: it at the object and the camera went dead again,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: and this is when he moved the viewfunder away from
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the UFO and the camera immediately returned to normal power.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: So testing this, Mike repeated this procedure three times, pointing
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: the camera at the UFO and each time it will
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: go dead. So it was clear to him that this
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: object did not want to be filmed. So they watched
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: it for about twenty minutes before it suddenly shrank down
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: and disappeared. Well, Joe now had the proof. He was
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: craving that. You know, this is absolutely something he could confirm,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: and there's undeniable. There was still a frustrating aspect to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: all of this because they seemed kind of playful within
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: the you know, the deep answers to what was going
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: on within him were still eluding him. And it was
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: frustrating because although he would go out there and have
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: these sightings and these amazing interactions, that's all it really was.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: He wasn't having onboard experiences. He wasn't seeing humanoids. So
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: this was in some ways frustrating. But in some ways satisfying.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Now everything changed. He had a whole new perspective when
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: you had another really strange and extraordinary encounter that's just
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: a bit different. In fact, I don't think I've ever
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: heard an encounter quite like this one. This brought again
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: a whole new perspective to what was going on with him.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: I call this next segment ets or something else, and yeah,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: this is a weird one. One month after seeing that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: glowing red UFO that that just could not photograph, this
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: was April third, two thousand and seven, Joe had one
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: of the strangest encounters of his life. He and his
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: girlfriend had just gone out to eat and as they
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: returned home, a dark storm cloud descended over their neighborhood,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: so they rushed home brought the dogs inside. Joe was
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: in his bedroom when the bedroom light bulbs started to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: pulsate in brightness, and it was at this moment a huge,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: rushing wind rattled the house and it sounded to Joe
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: almost like a tornado. And this is when the power
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: to the house went out. So Joe went outside to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: investigate and saw that his entire block the power had
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: gone out, but it was only their block. That was weird,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: and looking up, Joe saw what he first assumed was lightning, except,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: as Joe says, there were different colors pink, orange, blue, violet,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: and the clouds were so low it looked like the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: bottom of a storm front just a couple one hundred
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: feet above us. Was really strange now with the power out,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: the traffic light near their home was also off, and
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: the street in front of their house was backed up
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: with traffic. Horns were honking with as impatient drivers competed
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: to get through this busy four way intersection. Joe had
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: a small emergency flashlight in his hand and he shined
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: it towards himself to see if it worked. And about
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: six hundred feet from his house there was this large
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: majestic oak tree, and as if in respect to flashing
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: his flashlight, this bright, pulsating sphere appeared next to the oak.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: This intrigued Joe, so he blinked his flashlight three times
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: at it. At this point, this single sphere became three,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: all of which pulsated brilliantly, and Joe's heart raised. He
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: said it felt almost like he was having a panic attack,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: and he shouted for his girlfriend. She did not come
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and that was weird. Now, the street in front of
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: him was still filled with cards at this point, but
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: nobody seemed to notice these brilliant lights. Joe flash the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: flashlight again three times. The lights flashed back three times.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: He says. It was almost like they were playing. Simon says,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: and as he says, I clicked my flashlight on and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: off and it would respond in kind. And the third
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: time it was like time stopped. It was like time
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: stood still. I couldn't move except for my eyes. The
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: cars that were in front of my house, they're all gone.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: So Joe could hardly believe what he now saw. As
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: he says, it looked like a little glowing, swirling cloud,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: rotating counterclockwise, and it's coming down the street. This was
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: clearly not a normal cloud. It was tiny. It was
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: strobing and blinking in a weird stop action pattern. And
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: as he says, it looked about six feet wide, and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: it is dripping tendrils of fog. Then it comes to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: rest just in front of my porch, six feet away.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: So at this point the area is completely silent. This
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: cloud is swirling counterclockwise and it flattens out to reveal
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: a brilliant blue center, so it looked like beautiful emerald
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: water moving in a swirling whirlpool pattern, while lightning like
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: flashes sparked out from the perimeter, and emerging from the
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: center of this pool was ahead. Joe immediately saw that
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: there were braids done in a sort of herringbone style.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: It was a woman, human looking, but clearly not quite human,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Joe says. She shimmered as she slowly came out of it.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I could see the top of the forehead, the face,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the eyes. They looked like they were dark blackish, but
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: they were indigo blue or a deep violet color. She
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: had a yellowish orange diamond in the center of her
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: forehead that was glowing bright. And then as she emerged
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: even further, I could see what looked like a wide,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: thick necklace, a chest piece almost just on top of
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: her breasts, and it was gold, like real gold twenty
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: four carrot and lapis lazuli. It was inlaid gold lapis
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: gold lapis all around her neck. Her body. When it emerged,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: stopped right about where the belly button would be, so
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: he's getting a good look at her. She's got no
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: belly button, no fingernails, cold gauntlets on her arms really
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: wide bracelets, and she extended to her hands forward with
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: her palms upward in a sort of greeting gesture, and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: she melted her head back with her mouth open, and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: he got a shock because her mouth was not normal,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: like a black hole. No tongue, no roof of her mouth,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: no teeth, just a black hole. She then placed her
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: palms together over her head and started spinning. She then
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: began to move back and forth in a figure eight
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: infinity pattern across the entire forty foot length of Joe's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: front yard. There was a bright flash of light like
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: a grenade. Everything lit up bright white light, blinding Joe
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: for just a second, and she was gone. At that point,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: everything went back to normal. The cars are back on
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: the street honking, The porch light is working, the dogs
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: are barking. Joe's girlfriend came rushing out out of the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: porch and told him that she had been trying to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: cross the living room floor when she heard Joe calling
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: her name, and she became paralyzed, unable to move. Finally,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: her paralysis broke and she ran out, still feeling dazed.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: There was no evidence of what had just happened, other
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: than they still had electrical problems, so this was a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: weird experience, and Joe wondered what was that? Could it
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: have been et? He doesn't think so, And the more
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: he researched his case, he started to consider other possible explanations,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: and he wondered if what might be happening to him
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: could be better explained as jin encounters sort of trickster
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: spirit with dazzling supernatural powers. And there were other strange
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: incidents that had been occurring for years that made him
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: consider this explanation. Sometimes they would hear scratching on the walls,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: they'd have cabinet doors opening, slamming closed by themselves, weird odors,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: ghostly apparitions, unexplained sounds, and this latest visitation seemed like
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: just another variation of the many other manifestations, and there
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: were still UFO sighting. In twenty eleven, Joe had another
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: sighting of a glowing object in the shape of an
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: ice cream cone just off the horizon, and he sent
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: out a mental message, I see you up there. This
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: object remained in place, but dimmed when a plane approached,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: then flared back up. He watched it for fifteen minutes.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: When it disappeared, he checked the next night and was
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: there again. He told his coworker who also saw it.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: The object disappeared and after that it was gone. Another
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: truly extraordinary encounter. Again, I can't say I've heard anything
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: quite like it, but absolutely. I mean, it's obviously related
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: to what's going on with him, and with this wide
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: variety of paranormal events, psychic events, all these really unusual
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: paranormal activity, I can see why this really caused Joe
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: to question what's going on here and consider alternative explanations.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: He's ruling out extraterrestrials, but it's clear to him that
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: there's quite a bit more going on here than just that.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: So this kind of brought his experiences to a level
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: of understanding where he was able to live with him
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: became a normal part of his life, and it still
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: is to this day. This is something he deals with,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: and that's true with most contactees. It's something that they
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: learned to process into their daily life and just live
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: with it. So I'm going to close this up with
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: a final segment I call Conclusions, where Joe gives a
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: statement on how he feels about all of this. So
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Joe continued to have sightings and still does. He no
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: longer records them, he says, there seems to be little
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: to gain from it. The trickster aspect of his encounters,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: he says, no longer fools him. He continues to make
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: a strong interest in the subject. But as to exactly
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: what's going on with all of this, his mind remains open. Yes,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: it might be extraterrestrial, but more likely, he thinks he's
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: being contacted by an intelligent entity that is able to
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: manifest in different forms, as he says, I think it's
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: the same character wearing different masks, I really do. Joe
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: estimates that he's had somewhere around thirty sightings or encounters.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: This is not including the paranormal incidents, but for some reason,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: he's not sure why he attracts UFOs. He does have
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: one additional memory that he thinks might be significant and
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: connected to all of this, perhaps explaining his connection to UFOs, says,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: it's hard to talk about because it's so strained, But
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: in this memory, Joe's with a group of beings looking
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: at a viewing screen at an image of Earth, and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Joe told this group of beings that although it wasn't
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: his turn, he would go there. He would live on Earth,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: and the group agreed that this was a good idea.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: So he wonders, is this a pre life memory, a
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: past life memory of him as an et agreeing to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: reincarnate on Earth. Joe isn't sure, but as he says,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: it's a memory. I don't think it's a dream. It's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: been so strong and persistent, and I've remembered it for
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: so long. So there you go. That is the story
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: of Joe Gardner's experiences. How amazing is that? So extensive?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: It's not often I get to interview someone who's got
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: that many experiences, so much high strangeness, an absolute conscious recall.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I have to give Joe kudo. He's such an amazing guy.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: So thank you, Joe. I'm just so honored that you
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: shared your experiences, not only with me, but with the world.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I think his story is really an important one. I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: know that a lot of people I've interviewed do feel
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: their dealing with extraterrestrials in the classic sense, people from
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: other planets. I don't think Joe has ruled that out,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: but given the high strangeness of his experiences, I absolutely
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: understand why he's considering alternative explanations so interesting. So yeah,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: thank you again, Joe, and that's it for today. Again.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: His story is told in my book on Board UFO Encounters.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Couldn't tell the whole thing here. It's very complex and
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: there's a lot more to it, so if you would
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: like to check that out, certainly I would appreciate it.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: And until next time, keep asking those hard questions, keep
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: searching for the truth it's out there. Most important of all,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: keep having fun, and I will see you next Friday
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: for another episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Bye for now.