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How Children's Books Help Kids Understand Emotions (Big Feels Story Explained) · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

• 4:59
  Joy
• 4:59
  Lanier,
• 5:00
  Big
• 5:00
  Feels
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  Diary
• 5:01
  of.
• 5:02
  A
• 5:02
  Passionate
• 5:02
  Kitty
• 5:04
  Thanks,
• 5:04
  Joy,
• 5:04
  for
• 5:05
  appearing
• 5:05
  on
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  Adventures
• 5:06
  in
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  Heart
• 5:06
  of
• 5:06
  Children's
• 5:07
  Book
• 5:07
  Authors
• 5:08
  Podcast.
• 5:09
  Joy
• 5:09
  has
• 5:10
  mentioned
• 5:10
  she's
• 5:10
  written
• 5:11
  a
• 5:11
  children's
• 5:12
  book
• 5:13
  called
• 5:13
  Big
• 5:15
  the
• 5:15
  Diary
• 5:15
  of
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  a
• 5:16
  Passionate
• 5:16
  Kitty,
• 5:17
  and
• 5:17
  I
• 5:17
  look
• 5:17
  forward
• 5:17
  to
• 5:18
  our
• 5:18
  conversation.
• 5:20
  Joy,
• 5:20
  before
• 5:20
  we
• 5:21
  jump
• 5:21
  in
• 5:23
  and
• 5:23
  talk
• 5:23
  about
• 5:24
  your
• 5:24
  book,
• 5:25
  I'm
• 5:25
  curious.
• 5:25
  Can
• 5:26
  you
• 5:26
  tell
• 5:26
  us
• 5:27
  what
• 5:27
  it
• 5:28
  means
• 5:28
  to
• 5:28
  you
• 5:30
  being
• 5:30
  a
• 5:30
  children's
• 5:31
  book
• 5:31
  author?
• 5:32
  It
• 5:32
  takes
• 5:32
  a
• 5:33
  lot
• 5:33
  of
• 5:33
  courage.
• 5:33
  I'm
• 5:34
  learning
• 5:34
  to
• 5:34
  put
• 5:34
  your
• 5:35
  work
• 5:35
  out
• 5:35
  there,
• 5:36
  and
• 5:36
  for
• 5:37
  me,
• 5:37
  it
• 5:37
  was
• 5:37
  a
• 5:37
  vulnerable
• 5:39
  work.
• 5:39
  And
• 5:39
  so
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  it
• 5:40
  really
• 5:41
  means
• 5:41
  a
• 5:41
  lot
• 5:42
  to
• 5:42
  me
• 5:43
  to
• 5:43
  be
• 5:43
  able
• 5:43
  to
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  share
• 5:44
  the
• 5:45
  piece
• 5:45
  of
• 5:45
  myself
• 5:45
  with
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  world
• 5:46
  and
• 5:47
  to
• 5:47
  also
• 5:48
  have
• 5:48
  had
• 5:48
  the
• 5:49
  courage
• 5:49
  to
• 5:49
  do
• 5:49
  that.
• 5:50
  Thank
• 5:50
  you
• 5:50
  for
• 5:50
  sharing
• 5:51
  that
• 5:51
  and
• 5:52
  tell
• 5:52
  us
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  inspiration
• 5:53
  behind
• 5:53
  your
• 5:54
  book.
• 5:54
  I
• 5:55
  was
• 5:55
  a
• 5:55
  little
• 5:56
  girl
• 5:56
  who
• 5:56
  had
• 5:56
  a
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  lot
• 5:57
  of
• 5:57
  big
• 5:57
  feelings,
• 5:58
  and
• 5:58
  I'm
• 5:58
  now
• 5:58
  a
• 5:59
  grownup
• 5:59
  who
• 5:59
  still
• 5:59
  have
• 6:00
  them,
• 6:00
  believe
• 6:00
  it
• 6:00
  or
• 6:00
  not.
• 6:02
  And
• 6:02
  in
• 6:02
  my
• 6:03
  therapy
• 6:03
  journey
• 6:04
  of
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  think
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  I
• 6:05
  grew
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  up
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  very
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  ashamed
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  of
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  my
• 6:07
  feelings
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  because
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  they
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  were
• 6:10
  embarrassing
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  a
• 6:11
  lot
• 6:11
  of
• 6:12
  the
• 6:12
  time.
• 6:12
  So
• 6:13
  in
• 6:13
  my
• 6:13
  therapy
• 6:14
  journey,
• 6:14
  my
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  therapist
• 6:15
  kind
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  of
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  helped
• 6:16
  me
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  learn
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  to
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  get
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  more
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  comfortable
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  with
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  feeling
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  sad
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  or
• 6:20
  feeling
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  angry
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  or
• 6:22
  all
• 6:23
  the
• 6:23
  more
• 6:23
  negative
• 6:23
  feelings.
• 6:24
  I
• 6:25
  think
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  it
• 6:26
  was
• 6:26
  in
• 6:26
  one
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  those
• 6:27
  moments
• 6:27
  of
• 6:27
  big
• 6:28
  feelings
• 6:28
  that
• 6:28
  I
• 6:29
  had,
• 6:29
  and
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  went
• 6:29
  up
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  to
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  my
• 6:30
  big
• 6:31
  cozy
• 6:31
  chair
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  and
• 6:32
  I
• 6:32
  was
• 6:32
  journaling.
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  And
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  I
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  just
• 6:34
  thought,
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  you
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  know
• 6:36
  what?
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  I'm
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  gonna,
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  I'm
• 6:37
  gonna
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  try
• 6:37
  putting
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  this
• 6:38
  into
• 6:38
  a
• 6:39
  cadence.
• 6:40
  And.
• 6:40
  And
• 6:40
  then
• 6:41
  once
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  did,
• 6:41
  I
• 6:42
  thought,
• 6:42
  oh,
• 6:43
  I
• 6:43
  feel
• 6:43
  like
• 6:43
  maybe
• 6:44
  this
• 6:44
  could
• 6:44
  be
• 6:45
  something
• 6:45
  that
• 6:45
  I
• 6:45
  share
• 6:46
  with
• 6:46
  you
• 6:46
  children.
• 6:47
  So
• 6:48
  that's
• 6:48
  how
• 6:48
  it
• 6:48
  started.
• 6:49
  And
• 6:49
  it's
• 6:50
  interesting,
• 6:50
  Joy,
• 6:50
  you
• 6:51
  should
• 6:51
  say
• 6:51
  that,
• 6:51
  because
• 6:52
  I've
• 6:52
  had
• 6:52
  on
• 6:52
  multiple
• 6:54
  authors
• 6:54
  now
• 6:55
  who
• 6:55
  have
• 6:56
  said
• 6:56
  writing
• 6:56
  a
• 6:57
  children's
• 6:57
  book
• 6:58
  has
• 6:58
  helped
• 6:58
  their
• 6:58
  mental
• 6:59
  health.
• 7:00
  And
• 7:01
  you
• 7:01
  know
• 7:01
  what?
• 7:01
  It's
• 7:02
  true
• 7:03
  when
• 7:03
  generally
• 7:04
  when
• 7:04
  you
• 7:04
  write
• 7:04
  a
• 7:05
  children's
• 7:05
  book,
• 7:05
  it
• 7:06
  makes
• 7:06
  you
• 7:06
  feel
• 7:06
  good.
• 7:07
  I'm
• 7:07
  lucky
• 7:07
  because
• 7:07
  I
• 7:08
  actually
• 7:08
  co
• 7:08
  author
• 7:09
  with
• 7:09
  my
• 7:09
  five
• 7:09
  grandchildren.
• 7:11
  Just
• 7:11
  that
• 7:11
  alone
• 7:12
  is
• 7:13
  worth
• 7:13
  every
• 7:14
  special
• 7:15
  moment.
• 7:15
  It
• 7:15
  helps
• 7:16
  my
• 7:16
  mental
• 7:17
  health
• 7:17
  and
• 7:17
  certainly
• 7:17
  I
• 7:18
  know
• 7:18
  it
• 7:18
  helps
• 7:18
  their
• 7:18
  mental
• 7:19
  health
• 7:19
  and
• 7:19
  it
• 7:19
  makes
• 7:20
  for
• 7:20
  some
• 7:21
  fun
• 7:21
  moments.
• 7:22
  Definitely.
• 7:23
  And
• 7:23
  as
• 7:23
  a
• 7:24
  parent,
• 7:24
  I
• 7:25
  have
• 7:25
  adult
• 7:25
  children
• 7:26
  now
• 7:26
  and
• 7:26
  I
• 7:26
  have
• 7:26
  a
• 7:27
  few
• 7:27
  grandchildren,
• 7:27
  too.
• 7:28
  And
• 7:28
  as
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  parent,
• 7:29
  I
• 7:30
  enjoyed
• 7:31
  reading
• 7:32
  to
• 7:32
  my
• 7:33
  children
• 7:33
  books.
• 7:33
  That
• 7:34
  spoke
• 7:34
  to
• 7:34
  me
• 7:34
  as
• 7:34
  well.
• 7:35
  That
• 7:35
  was
• 7:35
  also
• 7:36
  helped
• 7:36
  me
• 7:37
  feel
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  courage
• 7:37
  to
• 7:38
  get
• 7:38
  it
• 7:38
  out
• 7:38
  there,
• 7:38
  thinking
• 7:39
  it
• 7:39
  might
• 7:40
  speak
• 7:40
  to
• 7:40
  grownups
• 7:41
  and
• 7:41
  kids
• 7:41
  alike.
• 7:42
  Terrific.
• 7:44
  I'm
• 7:44
  curious
• 7:45
  about
• 7:47
  going
• 7:47
  a
• 7:47
  little
• 7:48
  deeper
• 7:48
  with
• 7:48
  your
• 7:49
  book
• 7:49
  business.
• 7:49
  When
• 7:50
  you
• 7:50
  started
• 7:50
  out,
• 7:51
  talk
• 7:52
  to
• 7:52
  us
• 7:52
  about
• 7:52
  what
• 7:53
  you
• 7:53
  had
• 7:53
  in
• 7:53
  mind.
• 7:54
  You
• 7:54
  have
• 7:54
  this
• 7:54
  children's
• 7:55
  book
• 7:55
  and
• 7:56
  now
• 7:56
  you
• 7:56
  have
• 7:56
  really
• 7:57
  a
• 7:57
  children's
• 7:58
  book
• 7:58
  business.
• 7:58
  What
• 7:59
  does
• 7:59
  your
• 7:59
  children's
• 7:59
  book
• 8:00
  business
• 8:00
  plan
• 8:00
  look
• 8:01
  like?
• 8:02
  Oh,
• 8:03
  I
• 8:03
  feel
• 8:03
  so
• 8:04
  new
• 8:04
  to
• 8:04
  this
• 8:04
  whole
• 8:05
  game.
• 8:05
  And
• 8:05
  I've
• 8:05
  listened
• 8:05
  to
• 8:06
  your
• 8:06
  podcast
• 8:06
  and
• 8:06
  I
• 8:07
  know
• 8:07
  I'm
• 8:07
  not
• 8:07
  alone.
• 8:08
  That's
• 8:08
  why
• 8:08
  we're
• 8:09
  all
• 8:09
  here.
• 8:09
  But
• 8:10
  about
• 8:11
  two
• 8:11
  years
• 8:11
  ago,
• 8:12
  I
• 8:13
  wrote
• 8:14
  an
• 8:14
  idea
• 8:14
  for
• 8:15
  a
• 8:15
  children's
• 8:15
  book,
• 8:15
  a
• 8:15
  different
• 8:16
  idea,
• 8:16
  and
• 8:17
  I
• 8:17
  was
• 8:17
  looking
• 8:17
  for
• 8:18
  podcasts
• 8:18
  at
• 8:18
  that
• 8:18
  time.
• 8:19
  I
• 8:19
  didn't
• 8:19
  find
• 8:20
  yours
• 8:20
  at
• 8:20
  that
• 8:20
  time,
• 8:20
  but
• 8:21
  I
• 8:21
  found
• 8:21
  another
• 8:22
  podcaster.
• 8:23
  I
• 8:24
  just
• 8:24
  started
• 8:24
  listening
• 8:25
  and
• 8:25
  I.
• 8:26
  So
• 8:26
  basically,
• 8:27
  when
• 8:27
  I
• 8:27
  took
• 8:27
  a
• 8:28
  break,
• 8:28
  I
• 8:28
  got
• 8:28
  a
• 8:29
  job.
• 8:29
  I
• 8:29
  finished
• 8:30
  my
• 8:30
  degree
• 8:30
  and
• 8:30
  was
• 8:31
  working
• 8:31
  full
• 8:31
  time.
• 8:31
  And
• 8:31
  I
• 8:32
  thought,
• 8:32
  I'll
• 8:32
  reach
• 8:33
  out
• 8:33
  to
• 8:33
  her
• 8:34
  and
• 8:34
  see
• 8:34
  if
• 8:35
  she
• 8:35
  has
• 8:36
  any
• 8:37
  support
• 8:37
  ideas
• 8:38
  for
• 8:38
  how
• 8:38
  to
• 8:38
  get
• 8:38
  this
• 8:39
  started.
• 8:40
  She
• 8:40
  had
• 8:40
  a
• 8:40
  monthly
• 8:41
  coaching
• 8:42
  program
• 8:43
  that
• 8:43
  I
• 8:43
  did
• 8:43
  with
• 8:44
  her,
• 8:44
  and
• 8:44
  she,
• 8:45
  because
• 8:45
  she's
• 8:45
  also
• 8:45
  a
• 8:45
  children's
• 8:46
  book
• 8:46
  author,
• 8:47
  has
• 8:47
  authored
• 8:48
  about
• 8:48
  10
• 8:49
  books.
• 8:49
  And
• 8:49
  so
• 8:50
  she
• 8:50
  just
• 8:50
  helped
• 8:50
  me
• 8:51
  walk
• 8:51
  through
• 8:51
  the
• 8:51
  process.
• 8:52
  And.
• 8:53
  And
• 8:53
  so
• 8:54
  I
• 8:54
  still
• 8:54
  though
• 8:55
  my
• 8:55
  challenge,
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  think,
• 8:57
  like
• 8:57
  a
• 8:57
  lot
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  people,
• 8:58
  is
• 8:58
  marketing
• 8:58
  is
• 8:59
  having
• 8:59
  the
• 8:59
  time
• 9:00
  to
• 9:00
  market
• 9:00
  my
• 9:00
  book.
• 9:01
  And
• 9:01
  then
• 9:02
  you
• 9:02
  have
• 9:02
  a
• 9:02
  lot
• 9:02
  of
• 9:02
  people
• 9:03
  come
• 9:03
  to
• 9:03
  you
• 9:03
  and
• 9:04
  say,
• 9:04
  we'll
• 9:04
  help
• 9:04
  you,
• 9:05
  we'll
• 9:05
  help
• 9:05
  you,
• 9:05
  we'll
• 9:05
  help
• 9:05
  you
• 9:06
  via
• 9:07
  email.
• 9:07
  And
• 9:07
  I'm
• 9:08
  like,
• 9:08
  I
• 9:08
  don't
• 9:08
  know
• 9:09
  who
• 9:09
  you
• 9:09
  are.
• 9:09
  It's
• 9:10
  a
• 9:10
  little
• 9:10
  overwhelming.
• 9:11
  It
• 9:11
  usually
• 9:11
  comes
• 9:11
  with
• 9:12
  a
• 9:12
  hefty
• 9:13
  trace.
• 9:14
  Yes,
• 9:15
  precisely.
• 9:16
  Precisely.
• 9:17
  And
• 9:17
  it's
• 9:17
  expensive.
• 9:18
  It's
• 9:18
  expensive
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  get
• 9:19
  a
• 9:19
  book
• 9:20
  published.
• 9:20
  I
• 9:21
  want
• 9:21
  to
• 9:21
  paint
• 9:21
  my
• 9:22
  illustrator
• 9:22
  and
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  don't.
• 9:23
  So,
• 9:24
  yeah,
• 9:24
  it's
• 9:24
  expensive.
• 9:25
  That's
• 9:26
  why
• 9:26
  I
• 9:26
  love
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  sharing
• 9:27
  this,
• 9:28
  because
• 9:28
  part
• 9:29
  of
• 9:29
  my
• 9:29
  goal
• 9:29
  is
• 9:29
  to
• 9:30
  bring
• 9:30
  on,
• 9:30
  and
• 9:30
  I've
• 9:31
  brought
• 9:31
  on
• 9:31
  a
• 9:31
  couple
• 9:31
  of
• 9:32
  children's
• 9:33
  book
• 9:33
  professionals
• 9:34
  that
• 9:34
  have
• 9:34
  helped
• 9:35
  publish
• 9:35
  a
• 9:35
  book.
• 9:36
  And
• 9:36
  it's
• 9:37
  interesting
• 9:37
  marketing.
• 9:39
  When
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  looked
• 9:39
  at
• 9:39
  what
• 9:40
  a
• 9:40
  children's
• 9:40
  book
• 9:41
  business
• 9:41
  plan
• 9:41
  looks
• 9:42
  like,
• 9:42
  marketing
• 9:43
  is
• 9:43
  only
• 9:44
  1
• 9:44
  of
• 9:44
  10
• 9:45
  or
• 9:45
  1
• 9:45
  of
• 9:45
  12
• 9:46
  elements.
• 9:47
  There's
• 9:47
  so
• 9:47
  many
• 9:48
  other
• 9:48
  things
• 9:48
  that
• 9:49
  go
• 9:49
  into
• 9:49
  a
• 9:49
  book
• 9:49
  business
• 9:50
  plan.
• 9:50
  So
• 9:50
  that's
• 9:51
  part
• 9:51
  of
• 9:51
  my
• 9:51
  goal
• 9:52
  is
• 9:52
  to
• 9:52
  peel
• 9:53
  back
• 9:53
  the
• 9:53
  onion
• 9:54
  and
• 9:54
  share
• 9:55
  that
• 9:55
  with
• 9:55
  the
• 9:56
  audience.
• 9:56
  And
• 9:57
  hopefully
• 9:58
  it
• 9:58
  comes
• 9:59
  not
• 9:59
  at
• 9:59
  a
• 9:59
  hefty
• 10:00
  price,
• 10:01
  where
• 10:01
  you
• 10:01
  say,
• 10:01
  I
• 10:02
  really
• 10:02
  like
• 10:02
  that
• 10:03
  idea,
• 10:04
  I'm
• 10:04
  going
• 10:04
  to
• 10:04
  borrow
• 10:05
  it.
• 10:05
  And
• 10:06
  we
• 10:06
  encourage
• 10:07
  everybody.
• 10:08
  That's
• 10:08
  what
• 10:08
  I
• 10:08
  love
• 10:08
  about
• 10:08
  this
• 10:09
  community,
• 10:09
  is
• 10:10
  we've
• 10:10
  had
• 10:10
  so
• 10:10
  many
• 10:11
  guests
• 10:11
  on
• 10:11
  NOW
• 10:12
  that
• 10:12
  have
• 10:12
  many
• 10:13
  brilliant
• 10:14
  ideas,
• 10:15
  and
• 10:15
  if
• 10:16
  people
• 10:16
  listen
• 10:16
  to
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  show,
• 10:17
  you
• 10:18
  know
• 10:18
  what,
• 10:18
  if
• 10:19
  you
• 10:19
  get
• 10:19
  one
• 10:19
  or
• 10:20
  two
• 10:20
  nuggets
• 10:21
  out
• 10:21
  of
• 10:21
  the
• 10:21
  show,
• 10:22
  it
• 10:22
  can
• 10:22
  make
• 10:23
  a
• 10:23
  big
• 10:23
  difference
• 10:23
  into
• 10:24
  the
• 10:24
  success
• 10:24
  of
• 10:24
  your
• 10:25
  children's
• 10:25
  books.
• 10:25
  Thank
• 10:26
  you
• 10:26
  for
• 10:26
  sharing
• 10:27
  that.
• 10:28
  Absolutely.
• 10:29
  I
• 10:29
  noticed
• 10:30
  you're
• 10:30
  on
• 10:30
  Amazon
• 10:32
  and
• 10:32
  you've
• 10:33
  Got
• 10:33
  an
• 10:34
  ebook
• 10:34
  and
• 10:34
  a
• 10:34
  soft
• 10:35
  cover
• 10:35
  book.
• 10:36
  Talk
• 10:36
  to
• 10:36
  us
• 10:36
  a
• 10:36
  little
• 10:37
  bit
• 10:37
  about
• 10:38
  did
• 10:38
  you
• 10:39
  look
• 10:39
  into
• 10:40
  formatting
• 10:40
  a
• 10:41
  hardcover
• 10:41
  book?
• 10:42
  I
• 10:43
  am
• 10:44
  hoping
• 10:44
  to
• 10:44
  do
• 10:45
  that
• 10:45
  with
• 10:45
  ingramsparks.
• 10:46
  I
• 10:46
  know
• 10:46
  that's
• 10:47
  a
• 10:47
  path
• 10:47
  that
• 10:48
  people
• 10:48
  take.
• 10:48
  I've
• 10:49
  run
• 10:49
  into
• 10:49
  challenges.
• 10:51
  It's
• 10:51
  interesting
• 10:51
  because
• 10:52
  I
• 10:52
  don't
• 10:52
  want
• 10:52
  to
• 10:52
  rehash
• 10:52
  what
• 10:53
  I've
• 10:53
  heard
• 10:53
  on
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  podcast.
• 10:54
  I
• 10:54
  want
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  share
• 10:54
  new
• 10:55
  ideas
• 10:55
  because
• 10:56
  I've
• 10:56
  learned
• 10:56
  a
• 10:56
  lot
• 10:57
  too
• 10:57
  from
• 10:57
  this
• 10:57
  podcast.
• 10:58
  So
• 10:58
  I
• 10:58
  appreciate
• 10:59
  it
• 10:59
  so
• 10:59
  much.
• 10:59
  And
• 11:00
  even
• 11:00
  your
• 11:00
  website
• 11:01
  speaking
• 11:02
  to
• 11:02
  your
• 11:03
  ideas,
• 11:03
  I
• 11:04
  felt
• 11:04
  like
• 11:04
  you
• 11:04
  have
• 11:04
  a
• 11:05
  lot
• 11:05
  of
• 11:05
  really
• 11:05
  good
• 11:05
  ideas
• 11:06
  on
• 11:06
  your
• 11:06
  website
• 11:06
  to
• 11:07
  generate
• 11:07
  income.
• 11:08
  It's
• 11:08
  just
• 11:09
  a
• 11:09
  side
• 11:09
  note,
• 11:10
  but
• 11:11
  ingramsparks,
• 11:12
  I'm
• 11:13
  working
• 11:13
  on
• 11:13
  that
• 11:14
  and
• 11:14
  everything
• 11:15
  I'm
• 11:15
  trying
• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
  learn
• 11:16
  as
• 11:16
  I
• 11:16
  go.
• 11:17
  So
• 11:17
  I
• 11:17
  know
• 11:17
  it's
• 11:18
  a
• 11:18
  process
• 11:18
  to
• 11:18
  get
• 11:19
  comfortable
• 11:19
  with.
• 11:20
  Even
• 11:20
  with
• 11:21
  publishing
• 11:21
  on
• 11:21
  kdp,
• 11:22
  I've
• 11:22
  had
• 11:22
  to
• 11:22
  learn
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  process.
• 11:23
  So
• 11:23
  it's
• 11:24
  I'm
• 11:24
  in
• 11:24
  the
• 11:24
  early
• 11:24
  days
• 11:25
  of
• 11:25
  ingramsparks
• 11:26
  figuring
• 11:26
  that
• 11:26
  out
• 11:27
  and
• 11:28
  I
• 11:28
  did
• 11:28
  learn
• 11:29
  something
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  hard
• 11:29
  way.
• 11:30
  If
• 11:30
  you
• 11:30
  look
• 11:30
  on
• 11:30
  ingramsparks
• 11:32
  website,
• 11:33
  you
• 11:33
  can
• 11:33
  click
• 11:33
  on
• 11:34
  I
• 11:34
  believe
• 11:34
  it's
• 11:34
  something
• 11:35
  like
• 11:35
  it's
• 11:36
  some
• 11:36
  sort
• 11:36
  of
• 11:36
  link
• 11:37
  that
• 11:37
  says
• 11:37
  fraudulent
• 11:38
  publishers
• 11:39
  or
• 11:40
  something
• 11:40
  like
• 11:40
  that.
• 11:40
  There
• 11:41
  are
• 11:41
  people.
• 11:42
  When
• 11:42
  you
• 11:44
  start
• 11:44
  searching
• 11:44
  and
• 11:45
  exploring
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  ingramsparks
• 11:46
  situation,
• 11:47
  there
• 11:47
  are
• 11:48
  people
• 11:48
  and
• 11:48
  they
• 11:48
  may
• 11:49
  be
• 11:49
  legit,
• 11:49
  I
• 11:49
  don't
• 11:50
  know,
• 11:50
  but
• 11:50
  they'll
• 11:50
  use
• 11:50
  a
• 11:51
  different
• 11:51
  email.
• 11:52
  Ingramsparks
• 11:53
  Inc.
• 11:54
  Com
• 11:54
  was
• 11:55
  and
• 11:56
  I
• 11:56
  had
• 11:56
  people
• 11:57
  reach
• 11:57
  out
• 11:57
  to
• 11:57
  me.
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  thought
• 11:58
  it
• 11:58
  was
• 11:58
  ingramsparks.
• 11:59
  I
• 12:00
  was
• 12:00
  ready
• 12:00
  to
• 12:01
  give
• 12:01
  them
• 12:01
  money.
• 12:02
  I
• 12:02
  did
• 12:02
  give
• 12:03
  them
• 12:03
  money
• 12:03
  and
• 12:03
  thankfully
• 12:04
  I
• 12:04
  was
• 12:04
  able
• 12:04
  to
• 12:05
  get
• 12:05
  it
• 12:05
  back.
• 12:06
  But
• 12:06
  I
• 12:06
  learned
• 12:06
  the
• 12:07
  hard
• 12:07
  way
• 12:07
  that
• 12:08
  you
• 12:08
  really
• 12:08
  have
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  be
• 12:10
  vigilant.
• 12:11
  Thank
• 12:11
  you
• 12:11
  for
• 12:11
  sharing
• 12:11
  that
• 12:12
  because
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  hadn't
• 12:12
  heard
• 12:13
  that
• 12:13
  story
• 12:14
  before
• 12:14
  about
• 12:14
  Ingram
• 12:15
  Sparks.
• 12:16
  The
• 12:16
  one
• 12:16
  thing
• 12:17
  and
• 12:18
  we
• 12:18
  just
• 12:18
  had
• 12:20
  last
• 12:20
  week's
• 12:20
  podcast
• 12:21
  show
• 12:21
  we
• 12:21
  had
• 12:21
  a
• 12:22
  guest
• 12:22
  on
• 12:22
  episode
• 12:23
  67,
• 12:23
  Brittany
• 12:24
  Pettish
• 12:25
  and
• 12:26
  fascinating
• 12:28
  children's
• 12:28
  book
• 12:28
  author.
• 12:29
  And
• 12:30
  I
• 12:30
  asked
• 12:30
  her
• 12:30
  the
• 12:31
  same
• 12:31
  question
• 12:32
  and
• 12:32
  she
• 12:33
  gave
• 12:34
  such
• 12:34
  a
• 12:34
  great
• 12:35
  answer
• 12:37
  to
• 12:37
  for
• 12:38
  something
• 12:38
  to
• 12:38
  think
• 12:38
  about.
• 12:39
  And
• 12:39
  that
• 12:39
  her
• 12:40
  whole
• 12:40
  idea
• 12:41
  is
• 12:41
  she
• 12:41
  has
• 12:42
  four
• 12:42
  children's
• 12:43
  books.
• 12:44
  They're
• 12:44
  all
• 12:45
  soft
• 12:45
  cover.
• 12:45
  And
• 12:46
  I
• 12:46
  asked
• 12:46
  her
• 12:46
  what
• 12:47
  about
• 12:47
  a
• 12:47
  hardcover?
• 12:48
  And
• 12:48
  she
• 12:48
  said,
• 12:48
  you
• 12:48
  know
• 12:48
  what
• 12:48
  I
• 12:49
  did,
• 12:49
  Rick?
• 12:49
  I
• 12:49
  went
• 12:50
  to
• 12:50
  an
• 12:50
  author's
• 12:51
  conference
• 12:52
  and
• 12:52
  I
• 12:52
  met
• 12:53
  a
• 12:53
  person
• 12:54
  and
• 12:54
  they
• 12:54
  said,
• 12:54
  you
• 12:55
  know
• 12:55
  what
• 12:55
  you
• 12:55
  should
• 12:55
  do?
• 12:56
  Because
• 12:56
  with
• 12:57
  and
• 12:57
  Amazon
• 12:58
  to
• 12:58
  print
• 12:59
  a
• 12:59
  hard
• 12:59
  cover
• 12:59
  you
• 13:00
  have
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  have
• 13:00
  a
• 13:00
  minimum
• 13:01
  of
• 13:01
  72
• 13:02
  pages.
• 13:03
  She
• 13:03
  said,
• 13:03
  I
• 13:03
  didn't
• 13:04
  want
• 13:04
  to
• 13:04
  go
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  Ingram
• 13:05
  Sparks
• 13:05
  route.
• 13:06
  Was
• 13:06
  very
• 13:07
  comfortable
• 13:07
  with
• 13:07
  Amazon.
• 13:08
  So
• 13:08
  what
• 13:08
  I
• 13:09
  did
• 13:09
  is
• 13:09
  I
• 13:09
  made
• 13:10
  a
• 13:10
  compilation.
• 13:11
  I
• 13:11
  took
• 13:11
  my
• 13:12
  four
• 13:12
  children's
• 13:12
  books
• 13:13
  and
• 13:13
  turned
• 13:14
  them
• 13:14
  into
• 13:14
  a
• 13:14
  hardcover
• 13:15
  book.
• 13:15
  So
• 13:16
  the
• 13:16
  four
• 13:16
  stories
• 13:17
  are
• 13:17
  in
• 13:17
  her
• 13:18
  hard
• 13:18
  covered
• 13:18
  version.
• 13:19
  And
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  thought,
• 13:20
  brilliant.
• 13:21
  Now,
• 13:22
  unfortunately,
• 13:23
  we're
• 13:23
  not
• 13:24
  at
• 13:24
  that
• 13:24
  point
• 13:25
  we
• 13:25
  published
• 13:26
  two
• 13:26
  children's
• 13:26
  books.
• 13:27
  I
• 13:27
  think
• 13:27
  we
• 13:27
  need
• 13:27
  to
• 13:28
  get
• 13:28
  to
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  third
• 13:28
  before
• 13:29
  I
• 13:29
  can
• 13:29
  entertain
• 13:30
  that
• 13:30
  idea.
• 13:30
  But
• 13:31
  I
• 13:31
  thought,
• 13:31
  wow,
• 13:32
  because
• 13:32
  I've
• 13:33
  yet
• 13:33
  to
• 13:33
  talk
• 13:33
  to
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  children's
• 13:34
  book
• 13:34
  author
• 13:36
  who
• 13:36
  doesn't
• 13:36
  have
• 13:36
  two
• 13:37
  or
• 13:37
  three
• 13:37
  or
• 13:38
  many
• 13:38
  more
• 13:38
  stories
• 13:39
  in
• 13:39
  them
• 13:40
  to
• 13:40
  tell.
• 13:41
  Yes,
• 13:41
  for
• 13:42
  sure.
• 13:42
  So
• 13:43
  then
• 13:43
  you
• 13:43
  got
• 13:43
  to
• 13:43
  decide
• 13:44
  how
• 13:44
  am
• 13:44
  I
• 13:44
  going
• 13:44
  to
• 13:44
  use
• 13:44
  my
• 13:45
  resources.
• 13:46
  So,
• 13:47
  yes,
• 13:47
  for
• 13:48
  sure.
• 13:49
  Great
• 13:49
  idea
• 13:49
  though,
• 13:50
  isn't
• 13:51
  it?
• 13:51
  Brilliant.
• 13:51
  Yeah.
• 13:52
  So
• 13:52
  big
• 13:53
  shout
• 13:53
  out
• 13:53
  to
• 13:53
  Brittany.
• 13:54
  Now,
• 13:54
  I
• 13:54
  noticed
• 13:55
  you
• 13:55
  have
• 13:55
  a
• 13:56
  shop
• 13:56
  tab
• 13:57
  and
• 13:57
  I
• 13:58
  promise
• 13:58
  we're
• 13:58
  going
• 13:58
  to
• 13:58
  get
• 13:59
  around
• 13:59
  to
• 13:59
  that
• 13:59
  because
• 13:59
  it's
• 14:00
  on
• 14:00
  your
• 14:00
  website.
• 14:01
  But
• 14:01
  I
• 14:01
  saw
• 14:01
  some
• 14:02
  really
• 14:02
  cool
• 14:02
  items
• 14:03
  and
• 14:04
  I'm
• 14:05
  over
• 14:05
  80
• 14:06
  children's
• 14:06
  book
• 14:07
  interviews
• 14:07
  and
• 14:08
  you're
• 14:08
  the
• 14:08
  first
• 14:08
  one
• 14:08
  I
• 14:09
  saw
• 14:09
  do
• 14:09
  this.
• 14:10
  So
• 14:11
  great.
• 14:11
  The
• 14:11
  beautiful
• 14:12
  thing
• 14:12
  about
• 14:12
  it,
• 14:13
  no
• 14:13
  matter
• 14:14
  if
• 14:14
  you're
• 14:15
  just
• 14:15
  starting
• 14:15
  out,
• 14:17
  there
• 14:17
  is
• 14:17
  opportunities
• 14:18
  that
• 14:19
  you've
• 14:20
  taken
• 14:20
  advantage
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  that
• 14:21
  I
• 14:21
  haven't
• 14:21
  seen
• 14:22
  more
• 14:22
  experienced
• 14:23
  children's
• 14:23
  book
• 14:24
  authors
• 14:24
  do.
• 14:24
  We're
• 14:25
  teasing
• 14:25
  the
• 14:25
  listeners,
• 14:26
  so
• 14:26
  they'll
• 14:26
  have
• 14:26
  to
• 14:27
  stay
• 14:27
  tuned
• 14:28
  a
• 14:28
  little
• 14:28
  deeper.
• 14:29
  Sounds
• 14:29
  good.
• 14:30
  I
• 14:30
  want
• 14:30
  to
• 14:31
  talk
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  you
• 14:31
  about
• 14:31
  your
• 14:32
  publishing
• 14:32
  approach
• 14:33
  because
• 14:34
  each
• 14:34
  of
• 14:35
  us
• 14:35
  has
• 14:35
  our
• 14:35
  own
• 14:36
  way
• 14:36
  of
• 14:36
  approaching
• 14:37
  it.
• 14:37
  Some
• 14:38
  of
• 14:38
  us
• 14:38
  try
• 14:38
  to
• 14:38
  find
• 14:38
  a
• 14:39
  traditional
• 14:39
  publisher.
• 14:40
  Some
• 14:40
  of
• 14:41
  us
• 14:41
  go
• 14:42
  independently
• 14:42
  published,
• 14:43
  which
• 14:43
  is
• 14:43
  what
• 14:43
  we
• 14:44
  did,
• 14:44
  and.
• 14:45
  And
• 14:45
  then
• 14:45
  others
• 14:45
  will
• 14:46
  do
• 14:46
  self
• 14:46
  publishing
• 14:47
  or
• 14:48
  hybrid
• 14:48
  publishing.
• 14:49
  Tell
• 14:49
  us
• 14:50
  about
• 14:50
  your
• 14:50
  publishing
• 14:51
  journey.
• 14:53
  Yes.
• 14:53
  Like
• 14:53
  I
• 14:54
  said,
• 14:54
  when
• 14:54
  I
• 14:54
  first
• 14:55
  wrote
• 14:55
  this
• 14:56
  book,
• 14:56
  I
• 14:57
  actually
• 14:58
  reached
• 14:58
  out
• 14:58
  to
• 14:58
  my
• 14:59
  niece
• 14:59
  who
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  love
• 15:00
  that
• 15:00
  you
• 15:01
  keep
• 15:01
  it
• 15:01
  all
• 15:01
  in
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  family.
• 15:02
  My
• 15:02
  niece
• 15:02
  is
• 15:03
  a
• 15:03
  beautiful
• 15:03
  artist
• 15:05
  and
• 15:05
  it
• 15:05
  was
• 15:05
  the
• 15:06
  first
• 15:06
  time
• 15:06
  she'd
• 15:06
  ever
• 15:07
  illustrated
• 15:07
  a
• 15:07
  children's
• 15:08
  book.
• 15:08
  But
• 15:08
  I
• 15:08
  asked
• 15:09
  her
• 15:09
  if
• 15:09
  she
• 15:09
  would
• 15:09
  be
• 15:09
  interested
• 15:10
  and
• 15:10
  she
• 15:10
  said
• 15:11
  yes.
• 15:11
  So
• 15:12
  we
• 15:12
  started
• 15:12
  there.
• 15:13
  And
• 15:13
  that's
• 15:14
  about
• 15:14
  where
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  was
• 15:14
  when
• 15:15
  I
• 15:15
  reached
• 15:15
  out
• 15:16
  to
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  other
• 15:16
  lady
• 15:17
  who
• 15:17
  has
• 15:17
  a
• 15:17
  podcast.
• 15:18
  Her
• 15:18
  name
• 15:18
  is
• 15:18
  Lori
• 15:19
  Wright.
• 15:19
  Do
• 15:19
  you
• 15:19
  know
• 15:20
  Lori's
• 15:20
  website?
• 15:21
  Just
• 15:21
  offhand,
• 15:22
  it's
• 15:22
  L
• 15:23
  A
• 15:23
  U
• 15:23
  R.
• 15:24
  I
• 15:24
  E
• 15:24
  and
• 15:25
  it's
• 15:25
  W
• 15:25
  R
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  G
• 15:26
  H
• 15:27
  T.
• 15:27
  But
• 15:27
  I
• 15:27
  believe
• 15:28
  it's
• 15:28
  Lori
• 15:28
  writer
• 15:29
  dot
• 15:29
  com.
• 15:30
  Cool.
• 15:30
  So,
• 15:31
  yeah,
• 15:31
  I
• 15:31
  reached
• 15:32
  out
• 15:32
  to
• 15:32
  her.
• 15:33
  She
• 15:33
  had
• 15:33
  a
• 15:33
  great
• 15:33
  idea
• 15:34
  for
• 15:34
  an
• 15:34
  editor
• 15:35
  who
• 15:35
  was
• 15:36
  Sherry
• 15:37
  Wall,
• 15:37
  before
• 15:38
  we.
• 15:38
  Get
• 15:39
  too
• 15:39
  much
• 15:39
  into
• 15:39
  the
• 15:39
  editing
• 15:40
  part,
• 15:40
  so
• 15:40
  the
• 15:40
  audience
• 15:41
  knows.
• 15:41
  Are
• 15:41
  you
• 15:42
  independently
• 15:43
  self
• 15:43
  published,
• 15:44
  hybrid
• 15:44
  published?
• 15:45
  Yes,
• 15:45
  I
• 15:46
  am
• 15:46
  completely
• 15:47
  self
• 15:47
  published
• 15:47
  at
• 15:48
  this
• 15:48
  point.
• 15:48
  Okay,
• 15:49
  so
• 15:49
  when
• 15:49
  you
• 15:49
  say
• 15:50
  self
• 15:50
  published,
• 15:50
  you
• 15:51
  are.
• 15:52
  You
• 15:53
  probably
• 15:53
  mean
• 15:54
  now.
• 15:54
  Again,
• 15:54
  I
• 15:55
  don't
• 15:55
  want
• 15:55
  to
• 15:55
  put
• 15:55
  words
• 15:55
  into
• 15:56
  your
• 15:56
  mouth.
• 15:56
  You're
• 15:56
  independently
• 15:57
  published
• 15:57
  because
• 15:58
  you
• 15:58
  set
• 15:58
  up
• 15:58
  your
• 15:58
  own
• 15:58
  publishing
• 15:59
  company.
• 16:01
  I
• 16:01
  just.
• 16:02
  No,
• 16:02
  not
• 16:02
  officially.
• 16:03
  Did
• 16:04
  you.
• 16:04
  Did
• 16:04
  you
• 16:04
  hire
• 16:05
  a
• 16:05
  hybrid
• 16:06
  publishing
• 16:06
  company?
• 16:07
  No.
• 16:07
  No,
• 16:08
  I
• 16:08
  didn't.
• 16:09
  I
• 16:09
  have
• 16:09
  on
• 16:09
  my
• 16:10
  book.
• 16:10
  Respectfully
• 16:11
  Curious.
• 16:12
  Which
• 16:12
  is
• 16:12
  your
• 16:12
  company?
• 16:13
  Which
• 16:13
  is
• 16:14
  my
• 16:14
  company.
• 16:14
  My
• 16:15
  website,
• 16:15
  which.
• 16:16
  Yeah,
• 16:16
  I
• 16:16
  started
• 16:17
  a
• 16:17
  few
• 16:18
  years
• 16:18
  ago
• 16:18
  more
• 16:19
  because
• 16:19
  it
• 16:19
  was
• 16:19
  bloggy.
• 16:20
  And
• 16:20
  then
• 16:20
  we
• 16:21
  just
• 16:21
  adapted
• 16:21
  it
• 16:21
  once
• 16:22
  I
• 16:22
  did
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  children's
• 16:23
  book.
• 16:23
  You're
• 16:23
  definitely
• 16:24
  an
• 16:24
  independently
• 16:25
  published
• 16:25
  children's
• 16:26
  book
• 16:26
  author.
• 16:27
  I
• 16:27
  don't
• 16:27
  go
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  normal
• 16:28
  pathways.
• 16:29
  This
• 16:29
  is
• 16:29
  great.
• 16:29
  Let's
• 16:30
  come
• 16:30
  back
• 16:30
  to
• 16:30
  the
• 16:31
  editing
• 16:31
  because
• 16:32
  try
• 16:32
  to
• 16:32
  have
• 16:33
  people
• 16:33
  understand
• 16:34
  because
• 16:35
  people
• 16:35
  will
• 16:35
  go
• 16:36
  out
• 16:36
  and
• 16:37
  self
• 16:37
  publish
• 16:37
  or
• 16:38
  hybrid
• 16:38
  publish
• 16:39
  where
• 16:39
  they
• 16:39
  hire
• 16:40
  a
• 16:40
  project
• 16:41
  manager
• 16:41
  or
• 16:42
  a
• 16:42
  general
• 16:42
  manager
• 16:43
  to
• 16:44
  do
• 16:44
  all
• 16:44
  the
• 16:44
  work.
• 16:45
  And
• 16:45
  so
• 16:45
  you
• 16:46
  never
• 16:46
  really
• 16:47
  are
• 16:47
  in
• 16:47
  contact
• 16:48
  with
• 16:48
  any
• 16:49
  of
• 16:49
  the
• 16:50
  children's
• 16:50
  book
• 16:50
  publishing
• 16:51
  professionals
• 16:52
  until
• 16:52
  the
• 16:53
  general
• 16:53
  manager
• 16:54
  or
• 16:54
  the
• 16:54
  project
• 16:55
  manager
• 16:55
  introduces
• 16:56
  you.
• 16:57
  However,
• 16:57
  as
• 16:58
  an
• 16:58
  independent
• 16:59
  children's
• 16:59
  book
• 17:00
  authority,
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  could
• 17:01
  contact
• 17:02
  an
• 17:02
  editor
• 17:03
  or
• 17:03
  illustrator
• 17:04
  directly
• 17:05
  yourself
• 17:06
  and
• 17:06
  take
• 17:07
  out
• 17:07
  some
• 17:07
  of
• 17:07
  the
• 17:08
  funding
• 17:08
  that
• 17:09
  is
• 17:09
  required
• 17:10
  if
• 17:10
  someone
• 17:10
  else
• 17:11
  does
• 17:11
  it
• 17:11
  for
• 17:11
  you,
• 17:12
  and.
• 17:12
  Yes.
• 17:13
  And
• 17:13
  then
• 17:13
  have
• 17:14
  more
• 17:14
  money
• 17:14
  to
• 17:14
  put
• 17:15
  into
• 17:15
  your
• 17:15
  marketing
• 17:16
  and
• 17:16
  sales
• 17:16
  and
• 17:16
  distribution
• 17:17
  part
• 17:18
  of
• 17:18
  your
• 17:18
  book.
• 17:19
  Absolutely.
• 17:20
  And
• 17:21
  that's
• 17:21
  where
• 17:21
  Lori
• 17:22
  really
• 17:22
  did
• 17:22
  help
• 17:23
  me
• 17:23
  because
• 17:23
  she
• 17:23
  knew
• 17:24
  a
• 17:24
  lot
• 17:24
  of
• 17:24
  these
• 17:24
  people,
• 17:25
  so
• 17:26
  she
• 17:26
  was
• 17:26
  maybe
• 17:27
  like
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  project
• 17:28
  manager,
• 17:28
  but
• 17:29
  she
• 17:29
  just
• 17:30
  helped
• 17:30
  me
• 17:30
  along
• 17:30
  the
• 17:31
  way.
• 17:31
  It
• 17:31
  was
• 17:31
  really
• 17:31
  awesome.
• 17:32
  That's
• 17:33
  terrific.
• 17:33
  That's
• 17:33
  terrific.
• 17:34
  You
• 17:34
  were
• 17:34
  about
• 17:34
  to
• 17:34
  tell
• 17:35
  us
• 17:35
  about
• 17:35
  your
• 17:35
  editor.
• 17:36
  My
• 17:36
  editor
• 17:36
  was
• 17:37
  Sherry
• 17:37
  Wall.
• 17:38
  She's
• 17:38
  also
• 17:39
  a
• 17:39
  children's
• 17:39
  book
• 17:39
  author.
• 17:40
  Everything
• 17:41
  and
• 17:41
  everyone
• 17:41
  you
• 17:42
  mentioned,
• 17:42
  we're
• 17:42
  going
• 17:42
  to
• 17:43
  put
• 17:43
  the
• 17:43
  links
• 17:43
  in
• 17:43
  the
• 17:43
  show
• 17:43
  notes.
• 17:44
  Okay,
• 17:45
  great.
• 17:46
  She
• 17:46
  was
• 17:47
  great
• 17:47
  because
• 17:47
  Laurie
• 17:48
  mentioned
• 17:48
  that
• 17:49
  she's
• 17:49
  really
• 17:49
  good
• 17:49
  with
• 17:50
  rhyming
• 17:50
  and
• 17:50
  cadence.
• 17:51
  So
• 17:51
  I
• 17:52
  really
• 17:52
  wanted
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  rhyming
• 17:53
  book
• 17:53
  again.
• 17:54
  When
• 17:54
  I
• 17:54
  was
• 17:54
  a
• 17:55
  mom
• 17:55
  reading
• 17:55
  stories
• 17:56
  to
• 17:56
  my
• 17:56
  kids,
• 17:56
  I
• 17:57
  sing
• 17:57
  and
• 17:57
  I.
• 17:58
  I
• 17:58
  remember
• 17:58
  things
• 17:59
  when
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  sing.
• 18:00
  And
• 18:00
  I've
• 18:00
  always
• 18:00
  loved
• 18:01
  like
• 18:01
  do
• 18:01
  Seuss
• 18:02
  and
• 18:02
  he
• 18:02
  has
• 18:02
  a
• 18:02
  child.
• 18:03
  And
• 18:03
  I
• 18:03
  think
• 18:03
  a
• 18:04
  lot
• 18:04
  of
• 18:04
  it
• 18:04
  was
• 18:04
  just
• 18:04
  the
• 18:05
  cadence.
• 18:05
  So
• 18:05
  that
• 18:06
  was
• 18:06
  important
• 18:06
  to
• 18:07
  me.
• 18:07
  So
• 18:07
  she
• 18:07
  helped
• 18:08
  me
• 18:08
  get
• 18:08
  that
• 18:08
  because
• 18:09
  it's
• 18:09
  a
• 18:09
  tricky
• 18:10
  thing.
• 18:10
  Other
• 18:10
  children's
• 18:11
  book
• 18:11
  authors
• 18:11
  have
• 18:12
  told
• 18:12
  me
• 18:12
  they've
• 18:12
  actually
• 18:13
  hired
• 18:14
  people
• 18:15
  that
• 18:16
  just
• 18:16
  specialize
• 18:17
  in
• 18:17
  rhyming
• 18:18
  to
• 18:18
  help
• 18:19
  the
• 18:19
  book.
• 18:20
  Yeah.
• 18:20
  No,
• 18:21
  good
• 18:21
  for
• 18:21
  you.
• 18:21
  Good
• 18:21
  for
• 18:22
  you.
• 18:22
  That
• 18:22
  was
• 18:22
  good.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:23
  then
• 18:23
  I
• 18:23
  got
• 18:23
  another
• 18:24
  contact
• 18:24
  when
• 18:25
  it
• 18:25
  was
• 18:25
  time
• 18:25
  to
• 18:25
  design
• 18:26
  the
• 18:26
  book.
• 18:27
  Yeah.
• 18:27
  So
• 18:27
  what
• 18:27
  would
• 18:28
  you
• 18:28
  say
• 18:28
  your
• 18:28
  biggest
• 18:29
  frustration
• 18:30
  or
• 18:30
  biggest
• 18:31
  challenge
• 18:31
  was
• 18:32
  when
• 18:32
  it
• 18:32
  came
• 18:33
  to
• 18:33
  actually
• 18:34
  publishing
• 18:34
  your
• 18:35
  book?
• 18:36
  That's
• 18:36
  a
• 18:36
  really
• 18:37
  good
• 18:37
  question.
• 18:38
  I
• 18:38
  don't
• 18:38
  feel
• 18:38
  like
• 18:39
  I
• 18:39
  hit
• 18:40
  any
• 18:41
  walls
• 18:42
  with
• 18:42
  the
• 18:43
  publishing.
• 18:43
  It
• 18:44
  was
• 18:44
  a
• 18:44
  little
• 18:44
  tricky
• 18:45
  to
• 18:45
  figure
• 18:45
  out
• 18:45
  KDP,
• 18:46
  but
• 18:46
  again,
• 18:47
  I
• 18:47
  had
• 18:47
  help.
• 18:48
  And
• 18:48
  I
• 18:48
  was
• 18:49
  watching
• 18:50
  YouTube
• 18:50
  videos
• 18:51
  there's
• 18:51
  so
• 18:51
  much
• 18:52
  out
• 18:52
  there
• 18:52
  thankfully
• 18:53
  on
• 18:54
  how
• 18:54
  to
• 18:54
  do
• 18:54
  this
• 18:54
  and
• 18:55
  helps.
• 18:56
  I
• 18:56
  think
• 18:56
  the
• 18:56
  hardest
• 18:57
  part
• 18:58
  has
• 18:58
  been
• 18:58
  the
• 18:59
  post
• 18:59
  again,
• 18:59
  the
• 19:00
  marketing.
• 19:00
  Setting
• 19:01
  up
• 19:01
  an
• 19:01
  email
• 19:01
  and
• 19:02
  having
• 19:02
  it
• 19:02
  link
• 19:03
  to
• 19:03
  a
• 19:03
  mass
• 19:04
  email
• 19:04
  distribution
• 19:05
  kind
• 19:06
  of
• 19:06
  website
• 19:06
  like
• 19:07
  Mailerlite
• 19:07
  is
• 19:07
  the
• 19:08
  one
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  use.
• 19:08
  When
• 19:09
  those
• 19:09
  things
• 19:10
  get
• 19:10
  glitchy,
• 19:11
  I
• 19:11
  feel
• 19:11
  lost
• 19:12
  because
• 19:12
  I
• 19:13
  just
• 19:13
  have
• 19:13
  no
• 19:14
  understanding
• 19:14
  how
• 19:14
  it
• 19:14
  works
• 19:15
  or
• 19:15
  if
• 19:15
  my
• 19:16
  website
• 19:16
  has
• 19:17
  a
• 19:17
  problem.
• 19:18
  When
• 19:18
  you
• 19:19
  emailed
• 19:19
  me
• 19:19
  last
• 19:19
  night
• 19:20
  about
• 19:20
  my
• 19:20
  I
• 19:20
  thought
• 19:21
  oh
• 19:21
  no,
• 19:21
  what
• 19:22
  if
• 19:22
  my
• 19:22
  website's
• 19:22
  just
• 19:23
  down?
• 19:23
  And
• 19:23
  so
• 19:24
  I
• 19:24
  was
• 19:24
  really
• 19:24
  grateful
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  going
• 19:26
  running.
• 19:28
  I
• 19:29
  lost.
• 19:29
  I
• 19:29
  don't
• 19:29
  have
• 19:30
  a
• 19:30
  person
• 19:30
  running
• 19:30
  my
• 19:31
  website.
• 19:31
  So
• 19:33
  I'm
• 19:33
  very
• 19:33
  fortunate
• 19:34
  because
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  actually
• 19:36
  have
• 19:37
  someone
• 19:38
  help
• 19:38
  me
• 19:39
  maintain
• 19:39
  the
• 19:39
  website.
• 19:40
  That's.
• 19:41
  And
• 19:42
  yeah,
• 19:42
  his
• 19:42
  services
• 19:43
  are
• 19:43
  not
• 19:44
  expensive.
• 19:45
  Okay.
• 19:46
  You
• 19:46
  might
• 19:46
  be
• 19:46
  pleasantly
• 19:47
  surprised.
• 19:48
  And
• 19:48
  you
• 19:48
  know
• 19:48
  what
• 19:49
  do
• 19:49
  joy
• 19:50
  I
• 19:50
  actually
• 19:51
  save
• 19:51
  up.
• 19:52
  I
• 19:52
  don't
• 19:53
  run
• 19:53
  to
• 19:53
  them
• 19:53
  with
• 19:53
  every
• 19:54
  single
• 19:54
  thing
• 19:55
  that
• 19:55
  that
• 19:55
  somebody
• 19:56
  points
• 19:56
  out.
• 19:57
  I
• 19:57
  notice
• 19:57
  I
• 19:58
  save
• 19:58
  up
• 19:58
  a
• 19:58
  list
• 19:59
  and
• 19:59
  then
• 19:59
  maybe
• 19:59
  once
• 20:00
  a
• 20:00
  month
• 20:00
  or
• 20:01
  once
• 20:01
  a
• 20:01
  quarter
• 20:02
  I'll
• 20:02
  send
• 20:02
  them
• 20:03
  like
• 20:03
  five
• 20:03
  or
• 20:03
  six
• 20:04
  items
• 20:04
  and
• 20:04
  I'll
• 20:04
  say
• 20:05
  can
• 20:05
  you
• 20:05
  change
• 20:06
  this?
• 20:06
  And
• 20:07
  it
• 20:07
  takes
• 20:07
  them
• 20:07
  like
• 20:08
  it
• 20:08
  take
• 20:09
  me
• 20:09
  probably
• 20:09
  a
• 20:10
  week.
• 20:10
  It
• 20:10
  takes
• 20:10
  him
• 20:11
  like
• 20:11
  seven
• 20:11
  or
• 20:12
  eight
• 20:12
  minutes.
• 20:13
  Yes.
• 20:14
  Yeah.
• 20:14
  He
• 20:14
  only
• 20:15
  charges
• 20:15
  me
• 20:15
  for
• 20:16
  that
• 20:16
  amount
• 20:17
  of
• 20:17
  time.
• 20:17
  He
• 20:17
  doesn't
• 20:18
  say,
• 20:18
  oh,
• 20:18
  oh,
• 20:19
  Rick
• 20:19
  can't
• 20:19
  do
• 20:19
  it.
• 20:19
  It'll
• 20:20
  take
• 20:20
  him
• 20:20
  a
• 20:20
  week.
• 20:20
  So
• 20:20
  I'm
• 20:21
  going
• 20:21
  to
• 20:21
  charge
• 20:21
  him
• 20:21
  for
• 20:21
  a
• 20:22
  week.
• 20:22
  I
• 20:23
  might,
• 20:23
  I
• 20:23
  might
• 20:23
  need
• 20:24
  you
• 20:24
  to
• 20:24
  give
• 20:24
  me
• 20:24
  his
• 20:25
  name
• 20:25
  because
• 20:25
  that
• 20:25
  sounds
• 20:26
  lovely.
• 20:27
  Great
• 20:28
  person
• 20:28
  and
• 20:28
  I
• 20:28
  can
• 20:29
  do
• 20:29
  that.
• 20:29
  I
• 20:30
  want
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  talk
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  you
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  little
• 20:31
  bit
• 20:31
  about
• 20:31
  is
• 20:32
  your
• 20:32
  intention
• 20:33
  to
• 20:33
  do
• 20:34
  when
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  do
• 20:35
  your
• 20:35
  hard
• 20:35
  cover
• 20:36
  through
• 20:37
  Ingram
• 20:38
  Sparks,
• 20:39
  are
• 20:39
  you
• 20:39
  still
• 20:39
  just
• 20:39
  going
• 20:40
  to
• 20:40
  do
• 20:40
  print
• 20:41
  on
• 20:41
  demand
• 20:42
  or
• 20:42
  do
• 20:42
  you
• 20:42
  have
• 20:43
  aspirations
• 20:43
  to
• 20:43
  run
• 20:44
  a
• 20:44
  bigger
• 20:45
  run
• 20:45
  to
• 20:46
  lower
• 20:46
  the
• 20:46
  price?
• 20:47
  I
• 20:47
  think
• 20:47
  I
• 20:48
  would
• 20:48
  be
• 20:48
  happy
• 20:49
  to
• 20:49
  do
• 20:49
  a
• 20:50
  bigger
• 20:50
  order
• 20:50
  on
• 20:51
  the
• 20:51
  front
• 20:51
  end
• 20:51
  to
• 20:51
  lower
• 20:52
  the
• 20:52
  price
• 20:53
  for
• 20:53
  sure.
• 20:54
  The
• 20:54
  only
• 20:54
  reason
• 20:54
  I
• 20:54
  asked
• 20:55
  that
• 20:55
  is
• 20:55
  because
• 20:56
  I
• 20:56
  was
• 20:56
  talking
• 20:57
  to
• 20:57
  a
• 20:57
  gal
• 20:57
  from
• 20:57
  Oklahoma.
• 20:58
  You
• 20:59
  may
• 20:59
  have
• 20:59
  heard
• 20:59
  me
• 20:59
  say
• 20:59
  this
• 21:00
  before.
• 21:01
  And
• 21:01
  Charlotte
• 21:01
  Glaze
• 21:02
  episode
• 21:03
  23
• 21:03
  Charlotte
• 21:04
  actually
• 21:06
  put
• 21:06
  me
• 21:06
  on
• 21:06
  to
• 21:07
  a
• 21:07
  company
• 21:07
  called
• 21:08
  Made
• 21:08
  in
• 21:08
  China
• 21:09
  dot
• 21:09
  com.
• 21:10
  We'll
• 21:10
  have
• 21:10
  those
• 21:11
  in
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  show
• 21:11
  Notes.
• 21:12
  She
• 21:12
  went
• 21:12
  to
• 21:13
  two
• 21:13
  different
• 21:13
  companies
• 21:14
  online.
• 21:16
  She
• 21:16
  had
• 21:16
  to
• 21:17
  pay
• 21:17
  for
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  sample.
• 21:18
  But
• 21:18
  when
• 21:19
  she
• 21:19
  got
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  samples,
• 21:20
  she
• 21:20
  compared
• 21:20
  them,
• 21:21
  she
• 21:21
  decided
• 21:22
  on
• 21:22
  a
• 21:22
  company
• 21:23
  and
• 21:23
  she
• 21:23
  ordered.
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  think
• 21:24
  she
• 21:24
  had
• 21:25
  to
• 21:25
  order
• 21:25
  a
• 21:25
  minimum
• 21:25
  of
• 21:26
  500
• 21:26
  books,
• 21:27
  but
• 21:27
  she
• 21:27
  was
• 21:28
  absolutely
• 21:29
  flabbergasted
• 21:30
  at
• 21:30
  how
• 21:31
  good
• 21:31
  the
• 21:31
  quality
• 21:31
  was
• 21:32
  and
• 21:32
  the
• 21:33
  pricing
• 21:34
  and
• 21:34
  a
• 21:34
  big
• 21:34
  difference
• 21:35
  to
• 21:35
  her
• 21:36
  children's
• 21:37
  book
• 21:37
  business
• 21:37
  because
• 21:38
  of
• 21:39
  course
• 21:39
  the
• 21:39
  perceived
• 21:40
  value
• 21:40
  of
• 21:40
  hardcovers
• 21:42
  and
• 21:42
  she
• 21:43
  was
• 21:43
  able
• 21:43
  to
• 21:43
  make
• 21:44
  a
• 21:44
  lot
• 21:44
  more
• 21:45
  money
• 21:45
  on
• 21:45
  her
• 21:46
  hardcover,
• 21:47
  the
• 21:48
  retail
• 21:49
  than
• 21:49
  she
• 21:49
  was
• 21:49
  with
• 21:49
  her
• 21:50
  soft
• 21:50
  cover.
• 21:51
  And
• 21:51
  we
• 21:52
  were
• 21:52
  talking
• 21:52
  about
• 21:53
  earlier
• 21:53
  is
• 21:54
  it's
• 21:54
  not
• 21:54
  easy
• 21:55
  to
• 21:55
  get
• 21:55
  a
• 21:56
  return
• 21:56
  and
• 21:56
  build
• 21:56
  your
• 21:57
  business.
• 21:57
  So
• 21:58
  you
• 21:58
  always
• 21:58
  have
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  look
• 21:59
  for.
• 21:59
  Where
• 22:00
  can
• 22:00
  I
• 22:00
  get
• 22:00
  a
• 22:00
  better
• 22:01
  margin?
• 22:02
  Because
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  Charlotte,
• 22:02
  we
• 22:03
  actually
• 22:03
  developed,
• 22:04
  and
• 22:04
  I
• 22:05
  know
• 22:05
  our
• 22:05
  guests
• 22:05
  have
• 22:06
  heard
• 22:06
  this
• 22:06
  before,
• 22:07
  but
• 22:07
  we
• 22:07
  actually
• 22:08
  developed
• 22:08
  our
• 22:09
  own
• 22:09
  plushie.
• 22:10
  That's
• 22:11
  so
• 22:11
  cute.
• 22:11
  Yeah,
• 22:12
  we
• 22:12
  love
• 22:12
  it.
• 22:12
  And
• 22:13
  it
• 22:13
  came
• 22:13
  from
• 22:13
  Made
• 22:14
  in
• 22:14
  China.
• 22:15
  I
• 22:15
  love
• 22:16
  that.
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  love
• 22:17
  that.
• 22:18
  So
• 22:18
  anyways,
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  just
• 22:19
  mentioned
• 22:19
  that's
• 22:19
  maybe
• 22:20
  an
• 22:20
  opportunity
• 22:20
  for
• 22:21
  you.
• 22:21
  Now
• 22:22
  you
• 22:22
  mentioned
• 22:23
  your
• 22:23
  illustrator.
• 22:24
  It's
• 22:25
  always
• 22:25
  interesting
• 22:25
  about
• 22:26
  illustrators
• 22:26
  because
• 22:27
  once
• 22:28
  you
• 22:28
  get
• 22:28
  one
• 22:28
  you
• 22:28
  like,
• 22:29
  a
• 22:29
  lot
• 22:29
  of
• 22:29
  times
• 22:29
  you
• 22:30
  stick
• 22:30
  with
• 22:31
  them.
• 22:31
  For
• 22:32
  most
• 22:32
  of
• 22:32
  us,
• 22:32
  including
• 22:33
  yourself,
• 22:34
  like,
• 22:34
  we've
• 22:35
  used
• 22:35
  the
• 22:35
  same
• 22:35
  illustrator
• 22:37
  and
• 22:38
  in
• 22:38
  our
• 22:38
  case,
• 22:39
  our
• 22:39
  illustrators
• 22:40
  in
• 22:40
  the
• 22:40
  uk.
• 22:40
  But
• 22:40
  I
• 22:41
  noticed
• 22:41
  your
• 22:41
  illustrator
• 22:42
  was
• 22:42
  in
• 22:43
  Kentucky
• 22:43
  and
• 22:43
  I
• 22:43
  was
• 22:43
  thinking,
• 22:44
  okay,
• 22:45
  how
• 22:45
  do
• 22:45
  you
• 22:45
  go
• 22:45
  from
• 22:46
  Washington,
• 22:47
  I
• 22:48
  believe
• 22:48
  you're
• 22:48
  in
• 22:48
  Washington
• 22:49
  state,
• 22:50
  to
• 22:50
  Kentucky?
• 22:51
  Tell
• 22:51
  us
• 22:51
  a
• 22:51
  little
• 22:51
  bit
• 22:52
  about
• 22:52
  the
• 22:52
  story
• 22:52
  and
• 22:53
  that
• 22:53
  relationship.
• 22:55
  Yes.
• 22:55
  I
• 22:56
  hadn't
• 22:56
  talked
• 22:57
  to
• 22:57
  my
• 22:57
  niece
• 22:57
  in
• 22:58
  a
• 22:58
  while.
• 22:58
  I
• 22:59
  have
• 22:59
  a
• 22:59
  lot
• 22:59
  of
• 22:59
  nieces
• 22:59
  and
• 23:00
  nephews.
• 23:00
  And
• 23:01
  I
• 23:01
  just
• 23:01
  observed
• 23:02
  her
• 23:02
  on
• 23:02
  social
• 23:02
  media
• 23:03
  and
• 23:03
  her
• 23:03
  work
• 23:04
  was
• 23:04
  so
• 23:04
  amazing.
• 23:05
  And
• 23:05
  I
• 23:05
  knew
• 23:06
  that
• 23:06
  it
• 23:06
  was
• 23:06
  actually
• 23:07
  her
• 23:07
  idea
• 23:08
  to
• 23:09
  do
• 23:09
  it
• 23:09
  with
• 23:09
  a
• 23:10
  cat
• 23:11
  because
• 23:11
  my
• 23:11
  story
• 23:12
  at
• 23:12
  the
• 23:12
  beginning
• 23:13
  was
• 23:13
  very.
• 23:14
  Just
• 23:15
  neutral
• 23:15
  as
• 23:15
  far
• 23:15
  as
• 23:16
  who
• 23:16
  the
• 23:16
  character
• 23:17
  was.
• 23:17
  And
• 23:18
  I
• 23:18
  really
• 23:19
  want
• 23:19
  to
• 23:19
  be
• 23:19
  relatable
• 23:20
  to
• 23:20
  all
• 23:21
  kids
• 23:21
  and
• 23:22
  all
• 23:22
  kinds
• 23:22
  of
• 23:22
  kids,
• 23:22
  all
• 23:23
  kinds
• 23:23
  of
• 23:24
  people.
• 23:24
  And
• 23:25
  she's
• 23:25
  what
• 23:25
  about
• 23:25
  a
• 23:26
  cat?
• 23:26
  Perfect.
• 23:26
  That's
• 23:27
  just
• 23:27
  perfect.
• 23:28
  And
• 23:28
  she
• 23:28
  just
• 23:30
  basically
• 23:30
  said,
• 23:30
  does
• 23:31
  this
• 23:31
  sound
• 23:31
  fun?
• 23:32
  I
• 23:32
  don't
• 23:32
  want
• 23:32
  you
• 23:32
  to
• 23:33
  be
• 23:33
  stressed
• 23:33
  about
• 23:34
  it
• 23:34
  or
• 23:34
  I
• 23:34
  know
• 23:34
  she's
• 23:35
  busy.
• 23:35
  She's
• 23:35
  got
• 23:36
  a
• 23:36
  little
• 23:36
  one
• 23:36
  and
• 23:37
  she's
• 23:37
  working.
• 23:38
  And
• 23:38
  she
• 23:38
  said,
• 23:39
  sure,
• 23:39
  yeah.
• 23:39
  At
• 23:40
  the
• 23:40
  time,
• 23:40
  she
• 23:40
  wasn't
• 23:41
  working
• 23:41
  full
• 23:41
  time.
• 23:42
  Let
• 23:42
  me
• 23:42
  just
• 23:42
  put
• 23:43
  together
• 23:43
  some
• 23:43
  sketches,
• 23:44
  see
• 23:44
  what
• 23:44
  you
• 23:44
  think.
• 23:45
  And
• 23:45
  yeah,
• 23:46
  we
• 23:46
  went
• 23:46
  from
• 23:46
  there.
• 23:46
  And
• 23:47
  I
• 23:47
  really.
• 23:48
  My
• 23:48
  story,
• 23:49
  as
• 23:49
  everyone
• 23:49
  would
• 23:50
  say,
• 23:50
  I'm
• 23:50
  sure.
• 23:50
  But
• 23:51
  my
• 23:51
  story
• 23:51
  wouldn't
• 23:52
  be
• 23:52
  the
• 23:52
  same
• 23:52
  without
• 23:53
  her
• 23:53
  and
• 23:53
  her
• 23:54
  ideas.
• 23:54
  I
• 23:54
  did.
• 23:55
  I
• 23:55
  gave
• 23:55
  her
• 23:55
  a
• 23:56
  little
• 23:56
  bit
• 23:56
  of
• 23:56
  an
• 23:56
  outline
• 23:57
  with
• 23:57
  each
• 23:58
  page,
• 23:59
  but
• 23:59
  not
• 23:59
  a
• 24:00
  lot.
• 24:00
  So
• 24:01
  did
• 24:01
  you
• 24:01
  just
• 24:01
  send
• 24:02
  her
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  draft
• 24:03
  of
• 24:03
  your
• 24:03
  story
• 24:03
  and
• 24:04
  she
• 24:04
  read
• 24:04
  that
• 24:04
  first?
• 24:06
  Yes,
• 24:06
  she
• 24:06
  started
• 24:07
  the
• 24:07
  illustrations
• 24:08
  before
• 24:08
  it
• 24:08
  was
• 24:08
  fully
• 24:09
  edited.
• 24:09
  I
• 24:09
  would
• 24:09
  probably
• 24:10
  recommend
• 24:11
  not
• 24:11
  doing
• 24:11
  that
• 24:11
  that
• 24:12
  way.
• 24:12
  And
• 24:13
  I
• 24:13
  don't
• 24:13
  think
• 24:14
  because
• 24:14
  poor
• 24:15
  things.
• 24:15
  She
• 24:15
  had
• 24:15
  to
• 24:16
  adapt.
• 24:16
  But
• 24:16
  I
• 24:17
  think,
• 24:17
  yeah,
• 24:18
  otherwise
• 24:19
  we
• 24:19
  got
• 24:20
  that
• 24:20
  bit
• 24:20
  out
• 24:20
  of
• 24:20
  water
• 24:21
  a
• 24:21
  little
• 24:21
  bit.
• 24:21
  But
• 24:21
  yes,
• 24:22
  I
• 24:22
  sent
• 24:22
  her
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  draft
• 24:23
  and
• 24:23
  then
• 24:23
  just
• 24:23
  made
• 24:23
  notes
• 24:24
  for
• 24:24
  each
• 24:24
  page.
• 24:25
  And
• 24:25
  yeah,
• 24:26
  she
• 24:26
  went
• 24:26
  from
• 24:27
  there.
• 24:27
  The
• 24:27
  gumballs
• 24:28
  are
• 24:28
  her
• 24:28
  idea.
• 24:29
  It's
• 24:29
  fun.
• 24:29
  That
• 24:30
  you
• 24:30
  work
• 24:30
  with
• 24:30
  family.
• 24:31
  That
• 24:31
  makes
• 24:31
  it
• 24:32
  a
• 24:32
  little
• 24:32
  extra
• 24:32
  special.
• 24:35
  Thank
• 24:35
  you
• 24:35
  for
• 24:35
  sharing
• 24:36
  that
• 24:36
  story.
• 24:37
  So
• 24:37
  is
• 24:38
  she
• 24:38
  prodding
• 24:38
  you
• 24:39
  along
• 24:39
  to
• 24:40
  come
• 24:40
  up
• 24:40
  with
• 24:40
  your
• 24:40
  next
• 24:41
  children's
• 24:42
  book?
• 24:42
  She's
• 24:43
  got
• 24:43
  my
• 24:43
  next
• 24:43
  draft.
• 24:45
  She's
• 24:45
  working
• 24:46
  on
• 24:46
  the
• 24:46
  next
• 24:46
  one.
• 24:47
  She
• 24:47
  does
• 24:47
  have
• 24:47
  a
• 24:48
  full
• 24:48
  time
• 24:48
  job
• 24:48
  now,
• 24:49
  so
• 24:49
  it's
• 24:49
  going
• 24:49
  to
• 24:49
  be
• 24:49
  a
• 24:50
  little
• 24:50
  longer.
• 24:50
  Part
• 24:51
  of
• 24:51
  the
• 24:51
  reason
• 24:51
  I
• 24:51
  think
• 24:52
  I'm
• 24:52
  also
• 24:52
  hesitant
• 24:53
  to
• 24:53
  work
• 24:53
  with
• 24:53
  a
• 24:53
  publisher,
• 24:55
  even
• 24:55
  though
• 24:56
  I
• 24:56
  would
• 24:56
  love
• 24:56
  it
• 24:56
  if
• 24:56
  someone
• 24:57
  approached
• 24:57
  me
• 24:57
  and
• 24:57
  said
• 24:57
  we
• 24:58
  would
• 24:58
  love
• 24:58
  to
• 24:58
  publish
• 24:58
  a
• 24:58
  piece,
• 24:59
  that
• 24:59
  would
• 24:59
  be
• 24:59
  fine
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  great,
• 25:00
  but
• 25:00
  there
• 25:00
  are
• 25:00
  deadlines.
• 25:01
  Right.
• 25:01
  And
• 25:01
  I
• 25:01
  really
• 25:02
  do
• 25:02
  like
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  freedom
• 25:03
  and
• 25:03
  flexibility
• 25:04
  of
• 25:04
  just
• 25:04
  not
• 25:05
  putting
• 25:05
  a
• 25:05
  lot
• 25:05
  of
• 25:06
  stress
• 25:06
  on
• 25:06
  myself
• 25:06
  or
• 25:07
  Caitlyn
• 25:08
  to.
• 25:08
  You
• 25:09
  know
• 25:09
  what,
• 25:09
  Joy?
• 25:09
  I've
• 25:10
  had
• 25:10
  a
• 25:10
  couple
• 25:10
  of
• 25:11
  children's
• 25:11
  book
• 25:11
  authors
• 25:12
  who
• 25:12
  are
• 25:13
  have
• 25:13
  been
• 25:13
  published
• 25:14
  by
• 25:15
  a
• 25:15
  traditional
• 25:15
  publisher,
• 25:16
  but
• 25:16
  the
• 25:16
  one
• 25:17
  message
• 25:18
  they
• 25:18
  made
• 25:18
  perfectly
• 25:19
  clear
• 25:20
  is
• 25:20
  that
• 25:21
  the
• 25:22
  publisher's
• 25:23
  expectation
• 25:24
  on
• 25:25
  you
• 25:25
  is
• 25:26
  still
• 25:26
  to
• 25:26
  do
• 25:26
  most
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  the
• 25:27
  work
• 25:27
  when
• 25:28
  it
• 25:28
  comes
• 25:28
  to
• 25:28
  sales
• 25:29
  and
• 25:29
  marketing.
• 25:30
  I
• 25:30
  know
• 25:31
  we
• 25:31
  all
• 25:31
  aspire
• 25:32
  to
• 25:32
  maybe
• 25:32
  be
• 25:32
  traditionally
• 25:33
  published,
• 25:33
  but
• 25:34
  at
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  end
• 25:34
  of
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  day
• 25:36
  the
• 25:36
  working
• 25:36
  conditions
• 25:37
  are
• 25:37
  the
• 25:38
  same
• 25:38
  or
• 25:38
  maybe
• 25:39
  even
• 25:39
  a
• 25:39
  little
• 25:40
  more
• 25:40
  difficult.
• 25:41
  So
• 25:41
  yes,
• 25:42
  yes.
• 25:43
  That's
• 25:43
  worth
• 25:43
  a
• 25:44
  lot,
• 25:44
  isn't
• 25:44
  it?
• 25:44
  It
• 25:45
  is
• 25:45
  worth
• 25:45
  a
• 25:45
  lot.
• 25:46
  You
• 25:47
  talked
• 25:47
  about
• 25:47
  your
• 25:47
  website
• 25:48
  and
• 25:49
  one
• 25:49
  of
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  questions
• 25:50
  I
• 25:50
  had
• 25:50
  for
• 25:50
  you
• 25:50
  because
• 25:51
  I
• 25:51
  noticed
• 25:52
  you
• 25:52
  published
• 25:52
  your
• 25:53
  children's
• 25:53
  book
• 25:53
  in
• 25:54
  August
• 25:54
  of
• 25:54
  last
• 25:55
  year.
• 25:55
  You
• 25:56
  started
• 25:56
  your
• 25:57
  blog
• 25:57
  long
• 25:58
  before
• 25:58
  that.
• 25:59
  I
• 25:59
  noticed
• 25:59
  you
• 25:59
  had
• 26:00
  written
• 26:01
  blogs
• 26:02
  long
• 26:02
  before
• 26:02
  you
• 26:03
  published
• 26:03
  your
• 26:03
  book.
• 26:04
  Did
• 26:04
  you
• 26:04
  have
• 26:04
  your
• 26:05
  website
• 26:05
  up
• 26:05
  and
• 26:06
  running
• 26:07
  advance
• 26:08
  of
• 26:08
  your
• 26:08
  children's
• 26:09
  book?
• 26:10
  Yes.
• 26:11
  So
• 26:11
  I
• 26:11
  set
• 26:12
  up
• 26:12
  a
• 26:12
  WordPress
• 26:13
  website
• 26:14
  back
• 26:15
  in,
• 26:15
  I
• 26:15
  believe
• 26:15
  it
• 26:15
  was
• 26:16
  2022
• 26:17
  and
• 26:17
  I
• 26:17
  just,
• 26:18
  I've
• 26:19
  found
• 26:19
  that
• 26:19
  I
• 26:19
  enjoyed
• 26:20
  writing
• 26:20
  my
• 26:21
  thoughts
• 26:21
  and
• 26:21
  sharing
• 26:21
  them.
• 26:22
  I
• 26:22
  have
• 26:22
  never
• 26:23
  had
• 26:23
  a
• 26:23
  big
• 26:23
  following
• 26:24
  or
• 26:24
  anything,
• 26:24
  but
• 26:25
  we
• 26:25
  decided
• 26:25
  to
• 26:26
  just
• 26:26
  keep
• 26:26
  that
• 26:26
  base.
• 26:27
  Lori
• 26:28
  had,
• 26:28
  she's
• 26:29
  a
• 26:29
  professor
• 26:29
  at
• 26:29
  a
• 26:29
  college
• 26:30
  in
• 26:30
  Canada,
• 26:30
  so
• 26:31
  one
• 26:31
  of
• 26:31
  her
• 26:31
  students
• 26:32
  actually
• 26:32
  designed
• 26:33
  my
• 26:33
  website
• 26:34
  around
• 26:34
  the
• 26:35
  children's
• 26:35
  book
• 26:35
  and
• 26:36
  just
• 26:36
  kept
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  blog
• 26:37
  feature
• 26:38
  kept.
• 26:38
  So
• 26:38
  respectfully
• 26:39
  curious
• 26:40
  because
• 26:40
  I
• 26:40
  really
• 26:40
  do
• 26:41
  like
• 26:41
  that
• 26:42
  just
• 26:42
  that
• 26:43
  word,
• 26:44
  those
• 26:44
  words
• 26:44
  to
• 26:45
  describe
• 26:45
  my
• 26:46
  brand.
• 26:46
  Great.
• 26:46
  You
• 26:47
  said
• 26:47
  I
• 26:47
  went.
• 26:47
  I
• 26:47
  kept
• 26:48
  respectfully
• 26:49
  curious
• 26:49
  and
• 26:50
  you
• 26:50
  kept
• 26:50
  that
• 26:51
  and
• 26:51
  which
• 26:52
  is
• 26:52
  fun.
• 26:52
  A
• 26:52
  play
• 26:53
  on
• 26:53
  words.
• 26:53
  Talk
• 26:54
  to
• 26:54
  us
• 26:54
  about
• 26:54
  that
• 26:55
  whole
• 26:56
  development.
• 26:57
  How
• 26:57
  did
• 26:57
  that
• 26:57
  come
• 26:58
  to
• 26:58
  be
• 26:59
  the.
• 26:59
  World,
• 27:00
  especially
• 27:00
  in
• 27:00
  the
• 27:01
  U.S.
• 27:01
  are
• 27:01
  you.
• 27:01
  In
• 27:01
  the
• 27:02
  U.S.
• 27:02
  actually,
• 27:03
  I'm
• 27:03
  in
• 27:03
  Canada.
• 27:04
  I
• 27:04
  thought
• 27:04
  you
• 27:04
  were
• 27:05
  in
• 27:05
  Canada.
• 27:05
  The
• 27:05
  U.S.
• 27:06
  is
• 27:06
  a
• 27:06
  really
• 27:07
  tough,
• 27:07
  polarized
• 27:08
  place
• 27:09
  right
• 27:09
  now
• 27:10
  and
• 27:10
  I
• 27:11
  have
• 27:11
  dear
• 27:13
  family
• 27:14
  on
• 27:14
  opposite
• 27:15
  side
• 27:15
  of
• 27:16
  where
• 27:16
  I
• 27:16
  am.
• 27:17
  And
• 27:17
  so
• 27:17
  it
• 27:18
  really,
• 27:19
  I
• 27:19
  think
• 27:19
  that's
• 27:20
  what
• 27:20
  originally
• 27:22
  inspired
• 27:22
  me
• 27:23
  to
• 27:23
  start
• 27:23
  writing
• 27:24
  and
• 27:25
  Just,
• 27:26
  I
• 27:26
  think
• 27:26
  to
• 27:26
  have
• 27:26
  a
• 27:27
  place
• 27:27
  to
• 27:27
  share
• 27:27
  my
• 27:28
  voice,
• 27:28
  not
• 27:29
  to
• 27:29
  put
• 27:29
  it.
• 27:30
  So
• 27:30
  it's
• 27:30
  like,
• 27:30
  well,
• 27:31
  layering
• 27:31
  on
• 27:31
  social
• 27:32
  media,
• 27:32
  necessarily.
• 27:33
  But
• 27:34
  if
• 27:34
  people
• 27:34
  wanted
• 27:35
  to
• 27:35
  go
• 27:35
  and
• 27:35
  learn
• 27:36
  what
• 27:36
  I
• 27:36
  was
• 27:36
  thinking
• 27:37
  at
• 27:37
  any
• 27:37
  given
• 27:37
  time,
• 27:38
  they
• 27:38
  could.
• 27:39
  Well,
• 27:39
  no,
• 27:39
  it's
• 27:40
  nice
• 27:40
  for
• 27:40
  you
• 27:40
  to
• 27:41
  do
• 27:41
  that.
• 27:41
  And
• 27:42
  it's
• 27:42
  interesting
• 27:42
  you
• 27:42
  should
• 27:43
  say
• 27:43
  that.
• 27:43
  Just
• 27:44
  as
• 27:44
  a
• 27:44
  side
• 27:44
  note,
• 27:45
  I
• 27:45
  mean,
• 27:45
  my
• 27:45
  wife
• 27:45
  and
• 27:46
  I,
• 27:46
  in
• 27:46
  two
• 27:46
  weeks
• 27:46
  are
• 27:46
  headed
• 27:47
  to
• 27:48
  a
• 27:48
  birthday
• 27:49
  party
• 27:49
  retirement
• 27:50
  party
• 27:50
  in
• 27:50
  Portland,
• 27:51
  Oregon.
• 27:52
  Okay.
• 27:53
  And
• 27:53
  we
• 27:53
  have
• 27:53
  friends
• 27:54
  and
• 27:54
  family
• 27:54
  on
• 27:54
  both
• 27:55
  sides
• 27:55
  of
• 27:55
  the
• 27:55
  border.
• 27:56
  And
• 27:58
  it's
• 27:58
  a
• 27:58
  tough
• 27:58
  one.
• 27:59
  It
• 27:59
  really
• 27:59
  is.
• 28:00
  And
• 28:01
  that's
• 28:01
  all
• 28:01
  I
• 28:01
  can
• 28:01
  say.
• 28:01
  But
• 28:02
  you
• 28:02
  know
• 28:02
  what?
• 28:02
  Friendship
• 28:03
  transcends
• 28:04
  borders.
• 28:05
  And
• 28:05
  that's.
• 28:06
  We're
• 28:06
  going
• 28:06
  down
• 28:06
  to
• 28:07
  support
• 28:07
  Tom
• 28:08
  and
• 28:08
  Linda
• 28:09
  and
• 28:09
  we're.
• 28:10
  You
• 28:10
  know
• 28:10
  what?
• 28:11
  The
• 28:11
  border's
• 28:11
  not
• 28:11
  going
• 28:12
  to
• 28:12
  stop
• 28:12
  us.
• 28:13
  Yeah.
• 28:13
  Friendship
• 28:14
  runs
• 28:14
  much
• 28:14
  deeper.
• 28:15
  Absolutely.
• 28:16
  And
• 28:16
  being
• 28:16
  in
• 28:16
  a
• 28:16
  room
• 28:17
  with
• 28:17
  people,
• 28:18
  it
• 28:18
  just
• 28:18
  sometimes
• 28:19
  doesn't
• 28:19
  matter
• 28:19
  what
• 28:20
  your
• 28:20
  political
• 28:20
  views
• 28:21
  are.
• 28:21
  And
• 28:21
  that's
• 28:22
  what
• 28:22
  I
• 28:22
  want
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  hang
• 28:23
  on
• 28:23
  to,
• 28:24
  even
• 28:24
  though
• 28:24
  it's
• 28:25
  really
• 28:25
  hard
• 28:25
  sometimes.
• 28:26
  So
• 28:26
  I
• 28:27
  think
• 28:27
  being
• 28:27
  curious
• 28:28
  respectfully
• 28:29
  gives.
• 28:29
  That's
• 28:30
  what
• 28:30
  I
• 28:30
  love
• 28:30
  about
• 28:31
  children's
• 28:31
  book.
• 28:32
  Yeah.
• 28:32
  You
• 28:32
  can
• 28:32
  really
• 28:33
  speak
• 28:33
  to
• 28:34
  everyone
• 28:34
  with
• 28:34
  a
• 28:34
  children's
• 28:35
  book.
• 28:35
  And,
• 28:36
  yeah,
• 28:36
  I
• 28:36
  think
• 28:36
  I
• 28:37
  felt
• 28:37
  respect
• 28:37
  was
• 28:38
  an
• 28:38
  important
• 28:38
  part
• 28:39
  of
• 28:39
  keeping
• 28:40
  relationships
• 28:41
  and
• 28:41
  being
• 28:41
  curious
• 28:42
  about
• 28:43
  why
• 28:43
  people
• 28:44
  are
• 28:44
  where
• 28:44
  they
• 28:44
  are
• 28:44
  and
• 28:45
  why
• 28:45
  I'm
• 28:45
  where
• 28:45
  I
• 28:46
  am
• 28:46
  and
• 28:46
  those
• 28:47
  kinds
• 28:47
  of
• 28:47
  things.
• 28:47
  So
• 28:48
  that's
• 28:48
  where
• 28:48
  the
• 28:49
  phrase
• 28:49
  came
• 28:49
  from.
• 28:50
  I
• 28:50
  love
• 28:50
  it.
• 28:51
  I
• 28:51
  love
• 28:51
  it.
• 28:52
  When
• 28:52
  you
• 28:52
  made
• 28:52
  that
• 28:53
  pivot,
• 28:53
  which
• 28:53
  is
• 28:54
  fantastic.
• 28:54
  When
• 28:55
  you
• 28:55
  said
• 28:55
  that
• 28:55
  you
• 28:56
  had
• 28:57
  your
• 28:57
  illustrations
• 28:58
  and
• 28:59
  your
• 29:00
  work
• 29:00
  with
• 29:00
  Lori
• 29:00
  and
• 29:01
  then
• 29:01
  work
• 29:02
  with
• 29:02
  one
• 29:02
  of
• 29:02
  her
• 29:02
  students
• 29:03
  to
• 29:03
  help
• 29:04
  use
• 29:04
  your
• 29:05
  graphics
• 29:06
  from
• 29:06
  your
• 29:06
  book
• 29:07
  to
• 29:07
  set
• 29:07
  up
• 29:08
  your
• 29:08
  website.
• 29:09
  That's
• 29:09
  exactly
• 29:10
  what
• 29:10
  happened
• 29:11
  to
• 29:11
  us,
• 29:11
  is
• 29:12
  that
• 29:13
  somebody
• 29:14
  said.
• 29:14
  And
• 29:15
  it
• 29:15
  was
• 29:15
  funny.
• 29:15
  I
• 29:15
  just
• 29:16
  thought,
• 29:16
  you
• 29:16
  know
• 29:16
  what?
• 29:16
  We'll
• 29:17
  just
• 29:17
  put
• 29:17
  our
• 29:17
  children's
• 29:18
  book
• 29:18
  on
• 29:18
  Amazon.
• 29:19
  We'll
• 29:19
  put
• 29:20
  a
• 29:20
  link.
• 29:20
  We
• 29:21
  did
• 29:21
  have
• 29:21
  a
• 29:21
  website
• 29:23
  address,
• 29:23
  but
• 29:24
  we
• 29:24
  didn't
• 29:24
  have
• 29:24
  a
• 29:24
  website.
• 29:25
  What
• 29:25
  ended
• 29:26
  up
• 29:26
  being
• 29:26
  our
• 29:26
  website
• 29:27
  developer,
• 29:28
  what
• 29:28
  he
• 29:28
  did
• 29:29
  was
• 29:29
  he
• 29:29
  just
• 29:30
  put
• 29:30
  our
• 29:30
  website
• 29:31
  address.
• 29:31
  We
• 29:32
  got
• 29:32
  it
• 29:32
  set
• 29:32
  up,
• 29:33
  and
• 29:33
  he
• 29:33
  just
• 29:33
  put
• 29:34
  a
• 29:34
  link
• 29:34
  to
• 29:34
  the
• 29:35
  Amazon
• 29:35
  link
• 29:36
  for
• 29:36
  the
• 29:37
  book.
• 29:37
  And
• 29:37
  I
• 29:38
  thought,
• 29:38
  okay,
• 29:38
  okay,
• 29:40
  that's
• 29:40
  it.
• 29:40
  That's
• 29:40
  all
• 29:41
  you
• 29:41
  have
• 29:41
  to
• 29:41
  do.
• 29:41
  And
• 29:42
  you're
• 29:42
  going
• 29:42
  to
• 29:42
  sell
• 29:42
  millions
• 29:43
  of
• 29:43
  copies
• 29:44
  and
• 29:44
  be
• 29:44
  so
• 29:44
  successful.
• 29:46
  And
• 29:46
  that
• 29:47
  was
• 29:47
  quite
• 29:48
  the
• 29:48
  dream.
• 29:50
  Yes.
• 29:50
  And
• 29:50
  eventually
• 29:51
  what
• 29:51
  we
• 29:51
  did,
• 29:52
  because
• 29:52
  we
• 29:52
  had
• 29:53
  the
• 29:53
  same
• 29:53
  as
• 29:53
  you,
• 29:53
  we
• 29:54
  had
• 29:54
  these
• 29:54
  important
• 29:55
  assets
• 29:55
  and
• 29:56
  say
• 29:56
  that
• 29:56
  other
• 29:57
  children's
• 29:57
  book
• 29:57
  authors,
• 29:58
  you've
• 29:59
  got
• 29:59
  these
• 29:59
  incredible,
• 30:00
  beautifully
• 30:01
  illustrated
• 30:02
  assets.
• 30:04
  Use
• 30:04
  them
• 30:04
  to
• 30:04
  build
• 30:04
  out
• 30:05
  your
• 30:05
  website.
• 30:06
  Again,
• 30:06
  thank
• 30:06
  you
• 30:06
  for
• 30:07
  sharing
• 30:07
  that
• 30:07
  story
• 30:08
  so
• 30:08
  that
• 30:08
  anyone
• 30:09
  who's
• 30:09
  listening,
• 30:09
  who's
• 30:10
  an
• 30:10
  aspiring
• 30:11
  children's
• 30:11
  book
• 30:12
  author
• 30:12
  and
• 30:12
  says
• 30:13
  yeah,
• 30:13
  but
• 30:13
  what
• 30:13
  do
• 30:14
  I
• 30:14
  do
• 30:14
  about
• 30:15
  content
• 30:16
  for
• 30:16
  my
• 30:16
  website?
• 30:17
  So
• 30:18
  thanks
• 30:18
  for
• 30:18
  sharing
• 30:18
  the
• 30:18
  thing.
• 30:19
  I
• 30:19
  noticed
• 30:19
  you
• 30:19
  did
• 30:20
  two
• 30:20
  neat
• 30:20
  features
• 30:21
  on
• 30:21
  your
• 30:21
  website.
• 30:22
  I
• 30:22
  encourage
• 30:22
  everybody
• 30:23
  to
• 30:24
  go
• 30:25
  to
• 30:25
  Joy's
• 30:26
  website
• 30:26
  and
• 30:26
  look
• 30:27
  at
• 30:27
  her
• 30:27
  audiobook
• 30:28
  offering
• 30:29
  and
• 30:30
  her
• 30:30
  journal
• 30:30
  book
• 30:31
  offering.
• 30:32
  These
• 30:32
  are
• 30:32
  both
• 30:33
  digital
• 30:33
  products
• 30:34
  and
• 30:35
  they're
• 30:35
  not
• 30:35
  expensive,
• 30:37
  but
• 30:37
  they
• 30:38
  allow
• 30:38
  you
• 30:38
  as
• 30:39
  a
• 30:39
  children's
• 30:39
  book
• 30:40
  author
• 30:40
  to
• 30:40
  help
• 30:41
  support
• 30:42
  your
• 30:43
  children's
• 30:43
  book
• 30:43
  authorship
• 30:44
  journey.
• 30:45
  Talk
• 30:45
  to
• 30:46
  us
• 30:46
  about
• 30:47
  the
• 30:47
  audiobook
• 30:48
  and
• 30:48
  the
• 30:48
  journal.
• 30:48
  Yes,
• 30:49
  those
• 30:49
  are
• 30:49
  some
• 30:50
  other
• 30:50
  great
• 30:50
  ideas
• 30:51
  I
• 30:51
  got
• 30:51
  from
• 30:51
  Lori
• 30:52
  is
• 30:52
  just
• 30:52
  when
• 30:52
  you're
• 30:53
  selling
• 30:53
  from
• 30:53
  your
• 30:54
  website
• 30:54
  and
• 30:54
  I
• 30:55
  think
• 30:55
  you've
• 30:55
  shared
• 30:55
  this
• 30:55
  too,
• 30:57
  you
• 30:57
  make
• 30:57
  more
• 30:57
  money.
• 30:58
  Right.
• 30:58
  So
• 30:59
  developing
• 31:00
  items
• 31:00
  to
• 31:01
  be
• 31:01
  able
• 31:01
  to
• 31:01
  have
• 31:01
  a
• 31:01
  bundle
• 31:02
  or
• 31:03
  to
• 31:03
  be
• 31:03
  able
• 31:03
  to
• 31:03
  sell
• 31:04
  in
• 31:04
  addition
• 31:05
  to
• 31:05
  your
• 31:05
  book
• 31:06
  will
• 31:06
  help
• 31:07
  bring
• 31:07
  people
• 31:07
  to
• 31:08
  your
• 31:08
  website
• 31:09
  to
• 31:09
  get
• 31:09
  to
• 31:09
  put
• 31:10
  their
• 31:10
  emails
• 31:10
  in.
• 31:10
  Because
• 31:11
  that's
• 31:11
  what
• 31:11
  we
• 31:11
  want
• 31:11
  is
• 31:12
  the
• 31:12
  emails
• 31:12
  but
• 31:13
  the
• 31:13
  audiobook.
• 31:14
  Yeah,
• 31:14
  that
• 31:15
  just
• 31:15
  seems
• 31:15
  like
• 31:16
  a
• 31:16
  no
• 31:16
  brainer.
• 31:17
  It's
• 31:17
  not
• 31:18
  hard
• 31:18
  to
• 31:18
  do.
• 31:19
  And,
• 31:19
  and
• 31:19
  then
• 31:20
  we
• 31:20
  developed
• 31:20
  on
• 31:21
  Canva.
• 31:21
  We
• 31:21
  used
• 31:22
  Canva
• 31:22
  a
• 31:22
  lot
• 31:23
  for
• 31:24
  our
• 31:24
  to
• 31:24
  develop
• 31:25
  the
• 31:25
  graphics
• 31:25
  for
• 31:26
  the
• 31:26
  products
• 31:27
  and
• 31:27
  it's
• 31:28
  just
• 31:28
  me
• 31:28
  reading
• 31:29
  the
• 31:29
  story.
• 31:29
  I
• 31:30
  did
• 31:30
  it
• 31:30
  a
• 31:30
  few
• 31:30
  times,
• 31:30
  as
• 31:31
  you
• 31:31
  might
• 31:31
  imagine.
• 31:31
  You
• 31:32
  do
• 31:32
  it,
• 31:32
  you
• 31:32
  listen
• 31:32
  and
• 31:32
  you're
• 31:33
  like,
• 31:33
  oh,
• 31:33
  let's
• 31:33
  tweak
• 31:34
  it
• 31:34
  a
• 31:34
  little
• 31:34
  bit.
• 31:35
  And
• 31:35
  then
• 31:35
  the
• 31:36
  journal,
• 31:37
  the
• 31:37
  kids
• 31:38
  journal,
• 31:39
  I
• 31:39
  can
• 31:39
  send
• 31:40
  you
• 31:40
  actually
• 31:41
  a
• 31:41
  link
• 31:42
  to
• 31:42
  a
• 31:42
  website
• 31:43
  that
• 31:43
  I
• 31:43
  use
• 31:44
  that
• 31:44
  basically
• 31:44
  it
• 31:45
  has
• 31:45
  a
• 31:45
  lot
• 31:45
  of
• 31:45
  templates
• 31:46
  and
• 31:46
  you
• 31:47
  can't
• 31:47
  just
• 31:47
  use
• 31:48
  them
• 31:48
  but
• 31:48
  it
• 31:48
  gives
• 31:48
  you
• 31:49
  ideas
• 31:49
  for
• 31:50
  things.
• 31:50
  I
• 31:50
  found
• 31:50
  a
• 31:50
  template
• 31:51
  and
• 31:51
  I
• 31:51
  adapted
• 31:52
  it
• 31:52
  again
• 31:53
  with
• 31:53
  the
• 31:53
  graphics
• 31:54
  from
• 31:54
  the
• 31:54
  book
• 31:55
  and
• 31:55
  just
• 31:56
  it's
• 31:56
  literal.
• 31:57
  It's
• 31:57
  a
• 31:57
  really
• 31:58
  short
• 31:58
  journal.
• 31:59
  It's
• 31:59
  about
• 31:59
  five
• 32:00
  pages
• 32:00
  but
• 32:01
  they're
• 32:01
  all
• 32:01
  printable
• 32:02
  pages.
• 32:02
  They're
• 32:03
  great
• 32:03
  options
• 32:04
  for
• 32:04
  activity
• 32:05
  sheets
• 32:05
  for
• 32:05
  therapists
• 32:06
  and
• 32:07
  getting
• 32:07
  kids
• 32:09
  minds
• 32:09
  going
• 32:09
  in
• 32:10
  the
• 32:10
  feelings
• 32:11
  realm.
• 32:11
  Love
• 32:11
  that
• 32:12
  you
• 32:12
  tell
• 32:12
  that
• 32:12
  because
• 32:13
  when
• 32:13
  I
• 32:13
  looked
• 32:14
  at
• 32:14
  your
• 32:14
  website
• 32:14
  you
• 32:15
  told
• 32:15
  the
• 32:15
  story
• 32:15
  about
• 32:16
  in
• 32:16
  the
• 32:16
  big
• 32:16
  comfy
• 32:17
  chair
• 32:17
  with
• 32:18
  your
• 32:18
  journal.
• 32:18
  Even
• 32:19
  though
• 32:19
  we
• 32:19
  don't
• 32:19
  use
• 32:20
  the
• 32:20
  video
• 32:20
  part,
• 32:21
  I
• 32:21
  can
• 32:21
  see
• 32:21
  from
• 32:22
  your
• 32:22
  face
• 32:22
  as
• 32:22
  you
• 32:23
  talk
• 32:23
  about
• 32:23
  journaling
• 32:24
  and
• 32:25
  even
• 32:25
  with
• 32:26
  myself
• 32:26
  when
• 32:28
  we
• 32:28
  started
• 32:28
  to
• 32:29
  write
• 32:29
  our
• 32:29
  children's
• 32:30
  book
• 32:30
  and
• 32:30
  our
• 32:30
  first
• 32:31
  children's
• 32:31
  book
• 32:31
  I
• 32:31
  co
• 32:32
  authored
• 32:32
  with
• 32:32
  my
• 32:32
  oldest
• 32:33
  granddaughter,
• 32:34
  the
• 32:35
  first
• 32:35
  thing
• 32:35
  she
• 32:35
  said
• 32:36
  to
• 32:36
  me
• 32:36
  was
• 32:36
  papa,
• 32:37
  can
• 32:37
  we
• 32:38
  go
• 32:38
  get
• 32:38
  a
• 32:38
  journal
• 32:40
  and
• 32:40
  then
• 32:40
  we
• 32:41
  can
• 32:41
  start
• 32:41
  writing
• 32:42
  our
• 32:42
  story
• 32:43
  and
• 32:43
  start
• 32:43
  writing
• 32:44
  other
• 32:44
  ideas.
• 32:45
  And
• 32:45
  I
• 32:46
  thought
• 32:46
  yes,
• 32:46
  what
• 32:47
  a
• 32:47
  great
• 32:47
  idea.
• 32:48
  So
• 32:48
  we
• 32:48
  went
• 32:48
  to
• 32:49
  the
• 32:49
  local
• 32:49
  farmer's
• 32:50
  market
• 32:50
  and
• 32:51
  we
• 32:51
  bought
• 32:51
  this
• 32:51
  beautiful
• 32:52
  journal
• 32:53
  that
• 32:53
  I
• 32:53
  still
• 32:53
  have
• 32:54
  and
• 32:55
  it
• 32:55
  was
• 32:55
  great.
• 32:56
  So
• 32:56
  I
• 32:56
  just
• 32:57
  love
• 32:57
  that
• 32:57
  your
• 32:58
  approach
• 32:58
  to
• 32:59
  encouraging
• 32:59
  children
• 33:00
  to
• 33:00
  journal.
• 33:02
  Absolutely.
• 33:03
  It
• 33:03
  was
• 33:03
  really
• 33:04
  a
• 33:04
  fun
• 33:04
  idea.
• 33:05
  Yeah.
• 33:06
  One
• 33:06
  idea
• 33:06
  I'd
• 33:06
  like
• 33:07
  to
• 33:07
  share
• 33:07
  with
• 33:07
  you,
• 33:07
  too,
• 33:08
  and
• 33:08
  you
• 33:08
  may
• 33:09
  have
• 33:09
  heard
• 33:09
  me
• 33:09
  say
• 33:09
  this
• 33:10
  is
• 33:10
  that
• 33:11
  we
• 33:11
  did
• 33:12
  up
• 33:12
  a
• 33:12
  bookmark
• 33:13
  on
• 33:13
  Canva.
• 33:14
  Oh,
• 33:15
  yeah.
• 33:15
  And
• 33:16
  so
• 33:16
  cute.
• 33:17
  The
• 33:17
  QR
• 33:18
  Code
• 33:19
  is
• 33:19
  the
• 33:20
  audiobook
• 33:21
  of
• 33:21
  our
• 33:21
  first
• 33:22
  book,
• 33:23
  and
• 33:23
  it's.
• 33:24
  Which
• 33:24
  is
• 33:25
  read
• 33:25
  by
• 33:25
  my
• 33:26
  middle
• 33:26
  granddaughter.
• 33:28
  And
• 33:28
  then
• 33:29
  the
• 33:29
  other
• 33:30
  part
• 33:30
  of
• 33:30
  the
• 33:31
  recording
• 33:32
  is
• 33:33
  my
• 33:33
  oldest
• 33:33
  granddaughter
• 33:34
  telling
• 33:34
  the
• 33:35
  story
• 33:35
  behind
• 33:35
  the
• 33:36
  story
• 33:36
  of
• 33:37
  how
• 33:37
  Caboose
• 33:37
  the
• 33:38
  Rocky
• 33:38
  Mountain
• 33:38
  Bear
• 33:39
  came
• 33:39
  to
• 33:40
  life.
• 33:42
  Love
• 33:42
  it.
• 33:42
  That
• 33:42
  is
• 33:43
  such
• 33:43
  a
• 33:43
  great
• 33:43
  idea.
• 33:44
  I've
• 33:44
  done
• 33:45
  stickers
• 33:45
  also.
• 33:46
  I
• 33:46
  have
• 33:46
  sheets
• 33:47
  of
• 33:47
  stickers
• 33:47
  that
• 33:47
  I
• 33:48
  ordered
• 33:48
  from
• 33:48
  Canva
• 33:49
  just
• 33:49
  from
• 33:49
  our
• 33:49
  pages.
• 33:50
  I
• 33:50
  think
• 33:50
  I
• 33:50
  did
• 33:50
  three
• 33:51
  different
• 33:51
  pages
• 33:52
  out
• 33:52
  of
• 33:52
  the
• 33:52
  book
• 33:53
  and
• 33:53
  I
• 33:53
  had
• 33:53
  one
• 33:53
  on
• 33:54
  my
• 33:54
  phone.
• 33:54
  I
• 33:54
  send
• 33:55
  them
• 33:55
  with
• 33:56
  book
• 33:56
  orders,
• 33:57
  so
• 33:57
  for
• 33:58
  free.
• 33:58
  And
• 33:58
  so
• 33:59
  that's
• 33:59
  also.
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  fit.
• 34:00
  But
• 34:01
  I
• 34:01
  love
• 34:01
  the
• 34:01
  QR
• 34:01
  Code
• 34:02
  idea
• 34:02
  because
• 34:02
  that
• 34:02
  kind
• 34:02
  of.
• 34:03
  Yeah.
• 34:03
  You've
• 34:03
  already
• 34:03
  got
• 34:04
  the
• 34:04
  audiobook.
• 34:05
  So
• 34:05
  I'll
• 34:05
  tell
• 34:06
  you
• 34:06
  what
• 34:06
  we
• 34:06
  did.
• 34:06
  One
• 34:06
  of
• 34:07
  our
• 34:07
  retailers
• 34:07
  that
• 34:08
  carries
• 34:08
  our
• 34:08
  book,
• 34:10
  we
• 34:10
  did
• 34:10
  up
• 34:11
  a
• 34:11
  promotion
• 34:12
  where
• 34:13
  if
• 34:13
  you
• 34:14
  bought
• 34:14
  the
• 34:14
  book,
• 34:15
  you
• 34:16
  got
• 34:16
  a
• 34:16
  free
• 34:17
  audiobook
• 34:18
  and
• 34:18
  bookmark
• 34:19
  with
• 34:19
  the
• 34:20
  purchase.
• 34:21
  Yes.
• 34:22
  So
• 34:22
  it
• 34:22
  was,
• 34:22
  you
• 34:22
  know,
• 34:23
  it's
• 34:23
  just
• 34:23
  a
• 34:23
  little
• 34:23
  something,
• 34:24
  but
• 34:24
  it
• 34:24
  was.
• 34:25
  I
• 34:25
  always
• 34:26
  say
• 34:26
  to
• 34:26
  people,
• 34:26
  see
• 34:27
  what
• 34:27
  you
• 34:27
  can
• 34:27
  do
• 34:27
  with
• 34:28
  value
• 34:28
  add
• 34:29
  without
• 34:29
  it
• 34:30
  costing
• 34:30
  you
• 34:30
  a
• 34:30
  fortune.
• 34:32
  Absolutely.
• 34:32
  It's
• 34:33
  a
• 34:33
  great
• 34:33
  idea.
• 34:34
  Thank
• 34:34
  you.
• 34:35
  When
• 34:35
  you
• 34:37
  started
• 34:37
  this
• 34:38
  whole
• 34:38
  children's
• 34:39
  book
• 34:39
  author
• 34:40
  journey,
• 34:41
  was
• 34:42
  there
• 34:42
  a
• 34:42
  specific
• 34:43
  person
• 34:43
  or
• 34:44
  event
• 34:46
  that
• 34:46
  motivated
• 34:47
  you
• 34:47
  to
• 34:47
  write
• 34:47
  your
• 34:48
  children's
• 34:48
  book
• 34:48
  again?
• 34:49
  It
• 34:49
  happened
• 34:49
  for
• 34:50
  me
• 34:50
  so
• 34:50
  fast.
• 34:51
  I
• 34:51
  did.
• 34:51
  Like
• 34:52
  I
• 34:52
  say,
• 34:52
  I
• 34:52
  wrote
• 34:53
  a
• 34:53
  book
• 34:54
  previously
• 34:54
  that
• 34:55
  I
• 34:55
  haven't
• 34:55
  even
• 34:55
  ever
• 34:56
  published,
• 34:57
  but
• 34:57
  that
• 34:57
  one
• 34:58
  was
• 34:58
  inspired
• 34:58
  by
• 34:58
  a
• 34:59
  child
• 34:59
  who
• 34:59
  wanted
• 35:00
  to
• 35:00
  be
• 35:00
  in
• 35:00
  the
• 35:00
  front
• 35:00
  of
• 35:00
  the
• 35:01
  line.
• 35:01
  Someday
• 35:02
  I'll
• 35:02
  do
• 35:02
  that
• 35:02
  one.
• 35:02
  But
• 35:03
  this
• 35:03
  one
• 35:03
  was
• 35:04
  really
• 35:04
  personal
• 35:05
  and
• 35:05
  I
• 35:05
  was
• 35:06
  just
• 35:07
  mad
• 35:07
  about
• 35:08
  something
• 35:09
  and
• 35:09
  it
• 35:09
  didn't
• 35:09
  make
• 35:10
  sense.
• 35:10
  I
• 35:11
  was
• 35:11
  just
• 35:11
  mad.
• 35:11
  I
• 35:11
  think
• 35:12
  it
• 35:12
  was
• 35:12
  one
• 35:12
  of
• 35:12
  my
• 35:13
  husband.
• 35:13
  I
• 35:13
  don't
• 35:13
  even
• 35:13
  remember
• 35:14
  what
• 35:14
  it
• 35:15
  was
• 35:15
  about,
• 35:15
  but
• 35:16
  I
• 35:16
  just
• 35:16
  remember
• 35:16
  being
• 35:17
  frustrated
• 35:18
  that
• 35:18
  my
• 35:18
  feelings
• 35:18
  were
• 35:19
  getting
• 35:19
  in
• 35:19
  the
• 35:19
  way
• 35:20
  of
• 35:20
  reality
• 35:21
  and
• 35:21
  being
• 35:22
  present.
• 35:22
  And
• 35:23
  I
• 35:23
  just
• 35:24
  was
• 35:24
  like,
• 35:24
  I
• 35:24
  need
• 35:24
  to
• 35:25
  just
• 35:25
  go
• 35:25
  take
• 35:25
  a
• 35:25
  moment.
• 35:26
  And
• 35:26
  I.
• 35:26
  Which
• 35:27
  I
• 35:27
  think
• 35:28
  so
• 35:28
  valuable
• 35:29
  for
• 35:29
  me
• 35:30
  to
• 35:30
  do
• 35:31
  and
• 35:31
  everyone
• 35:31
  to
• 35:31
  be
• 35:32
  able
• 35:32
  to
• 35:32
  acknowledge
• 35:33
  that
• 35:33
  you're
• 35:33
  having
• 35:33
  the
• 35:34
  feeling
• 35:34
  and
• 35:34
  that
• 35:35
  you
• 35:35
  need
• 35:35
  to
• 35:35
  just
• 35:35
  take
• 35:36
  a
• 35:36
  moment
• 35:36
  and
• 35:36
  get
• 35:36
  curious
• 35:37
  what's
• 35:37
  happening
• 35:38
  right
• 35:38
  now
• 35:38
  so
• 35:38
  that
• 35:39
  you
• 35:39
  don't
• 35:39
  hurt
• 35:40
  someone.
• 35:40
  So,
• 35:41
  yeah,
• 35:41
  that
• 35:41
  was.
• 35:42
  It
• 35:42
  was
• 35:42
  literally
• 35:43
  very
• 35:43
  personal.
• 35:44
  Just
• 35:44
  went
• 35:45
  up
• 35:45
  to
• 35:45
  my
• 35:45
  chair
• 35:45
  and
• 35:45
  I'm
• 35:46
  like
• 35:46
  sitting
• 35:46
  there
• 35:46
  just.
• 35:47
  And
• 35:47
  I.
• 35:47
  My
• 35:48
  first
• 35:48
  feelings,
• 35:49
  they
• 35:49
  often
• 35:49
  get
• 35:49
  right
• 35:50
  in
• 35:50
  my
• 35:50
  way.
• 35:50
  That
• 35:50
  is
• 35:51
  very
• 35:51
  original
• 35:52
  to
• 35:53
  my
• 35:53
  story
• 35:53
  because
• 35:54
  I
• 35:54
  felt
• 35:54
  like
• 35:54
  my
• 35:54
  feelings
• 35:55
  were
• 35:55
  really
• 35:55
  getting
• 35:55
  in
• 35:56
  the
• 35:56
  way.
• 35:57
  Good
• 35:57
  for
• 35:57
  you,
• 35:57
  hopefully.
• 35:58
  Yeah.
• 35:59
  And
• 35:59
  then
• 35:59
  I.
• 35:59
  I
• 36:00
  think
• 36:00
  by
• 36:01
  the
• 36:01
  end
• 36:01
  of
• 36:01
  the
• 36:01
  night,
• 36:02
  I
• 36:02
  was
• 36:02
  like,
• 36:02
  I
• 36:03
  think
• 36:03
  I
• 36:03
  could
• 36:03
  share
• 36:03
  this
• 36:03
  in
• 36:04
  a
• 36:04
  children's
• 36:04
  book.
• 36:04
  And
• 36:05
  I
• 36:05
  had
• 36:05
  already,
• 36:05
  again,
• 36:06
  been
• 36:06
  thinking
• 36:06
  about
• 36:07
  doing
• 36:07
  that
• 36:08
  and
• 36:08
  just
• 36:08
  thinking
• 36:08
  about,
• 36:09
  I'm
• 36:10
  49
• 36:10
  and
• 36:11
  two
• 36:11
  years
• 36:11
  ago
• 36:11
  got
• 36:11
  my
• 36:12
  first
• 36:12
  degree,
• 36:13
  so
• 36:14
  I
• 36:14
  had
• 36:15
  a
• 36:15
  career
• 36:15
  as
• 36:16
  raised
• 36:17
  my
• 36:17
  kids,
• 36:17
  and
• 36:17
  I've
• 36:17
  been
• 36:17
  grateful
• 36:18
  for
• 36:18
  that.
• 36:18
  But
• 36:18
  I've
• 36:19
  just
• 36:19
  been
• 36:19
  working
• 36:20
  in
• 36:20
  the
• 36:20
  last
• 36:20
  two
• 36:21
  years
• 36:21
  full
• 36:21
  time.
• 36:22
  But
• 36:22
  I
• 36:23
  did
• 36:23
  also
• 36:23
  have
• 36:23
  this
• 36:24
  in
• 36:24
  my
• 36:24
  mind
• 36:24
  as
• 36:24
  something
• 36:25
  I
• 36:25
  could
• 36:25
  keep
• 36:25
  doing
• 36:26
  through
• 36:27
  when
• 36:27
  I'm
• 36:27
  done
• 36:27
  working
• 36:28
  and
• 36:28
  once
• 36:29
  my
• 36:29
  kids
• 36:29
  are
• 36:29
  grown
• 36:30
  and
• 36:30
  can
• 36:30
  be
• 36:30
  a
• 36:30
  legacy
• 36:31
  for
• 36:31
  my
• 36:31
  grandkids,
• 36:31
  like
• 36:32
  I've
• 36:32
  heard
• 36:33
  a
• 36:33
  lot
• 36:33
  of
• 36:33
  people
• 36:33
  share.
• 36:34
  So.
• 36:35
  Yeah,
• 36:35
  and
• 36:35
  that's
• 36:35
  the
• 36:35
  beautiful
• 36:36
  thing
• 36:36
  about
• 36:36
  that.
• 36:37
  You
• 36:37
  probably
• 36:37
  heard
• 36:37
  me
• 36:38
  say
• 36:38
  this,
• 36:39
  is
• 36:39
  that
• 36:39
  we've
• 36:40
  got
• 36:40
  this
• 36:40
  renewables
• 36:41
  resource
• 36:42
  called
• 36:42
  children.
• 36:44
  Four
• 36:44
  year
• 36:44
  olds
• 36:45
  come
• 36:45
  into
• 36:45
  the
• 36:45
  world
• 36:46
  every
• 36:46
  day
• 36:47
  and
• 36:48
  you're
• 36:48
  always
• 36:49
  getting
• 36:49
  a
• 36:49
  new
• 36:51
  group
• 36:51
  of
• 36:51
  readers
• 36:52
  coming
• 36:52
  in.
• 36:53
  As
• 36:53
  long
• 36:53
  as
• 36:53
  you
• 36:54
  keep
• 36:54
  your
• 36:54
  book
• 36:55
  alive
• 36:55
  as
• 36:55
  a
• 36:56
  children's
• 36:56
  book
• 36:56
  author,
• 36:57
  there's
• 36:57
  no
• 36:58
  reason
• 36:58
  why
• 36:58
  it
• 36:59
  can't
• 37:00
  have
• 37:00
  a
• 37:00
  long
• 37:01
  life.
• 37:02
  And
• 37:03
  you
• 37:03
  think
• 37:03
  of
• 37:03
  all
• 37:04
  the
• 37:04
  children's
• 37:04
  books
• 37:05
  that
• 37:06
  continue
• 37:07
  to
• 37:07
  be
• 37:07
  published.
• 37:08
  Like
• 37:08
  you
• 37:08
  look
• 37:08
  at
• 37:09
  what
• 37:09
  the
• 37:09
  Disney
• 37:10
  company's
• 37:10
  done,
• 37:10
  or
• 37:11
  you
• 37:11
  look
• 37:11
  at
• 37:11
  Dr.
• 37:12
  Seuss.
• 37:12
  All
• 37:13
  of
• 37:13
  those
• 37:13
  children's
• 37:14
  books
• 37:15
  are
• 37:16
  timeless.
• 37:16
  They
• 37:16
  just
• 37:16
  keep
• 37:17
  getting
• 37:17
  reprinted
• 37:18
  over
• 37:19
  and
• 37:19
  over
• 37:19
  again.
• 37:20
  And
• 37:20
  if
• 37:20
  you
• 37:20
  can
• 37:21
  create
• 37:21
  a
• 37:22
  children's
• 37:22
  book
• 37:22
  and
• 37:23
  keep
• 37:23
  the
• 37:23
  spark
• 37:23
  alive,
• 37:25
  it
• 37:25
  just
• 37:25
  stays
• 37:25
  forever.
• 37:26
  Yeah,
• 37:27
  yeah.
• 37:29
  What
• 37:29
  a
• 37:29
  great
• 37:30
  asset
• 37:30
  to
• 37:30
  leave
• 37:31
  at
• 37:31
  the
• 37:31
  end
• 37:31
  of
• 37:31
  the
• 37:32
  day.
• 37:32
  Is
• 37:32
  it
• 37:32
  shutting
• 37:33
  down?
• 37:34
  Yes,
• 37:35
  I
• 37:35
  think
• 37:35
  another
• 37:36
  book
• 37:36
  on
• 37:37
  investment,
• 37:37
  real
• 37:38
  estate.
• 37:39
  Warren
• 37:39
  Buffett
• 37:40
  or
• 37:40
  something.
• 37:41
  Yeah.
• 37:42
  I
• 37:43
  would
• 37:43
  much
• 37:43
  rather
• 37:43
  be
• 37:44
  reading
• 37:44
  children's
• 37:44
  books.
• 37:45
  You
• 37:45
  told
• 37:45
  us
• 37:46
  that
• 37:46
  your
• 37:47
  niece
• 37:47
  came
• 37:48
  up
• 37:48
  with
• 37:48
  the
• 37:48
  idea,
• 37:49
  your
• 37:49
  main
• 37:49
  character,
• 37:50
  which
• 37:50
  was
• 37:50
  a
• 37:50
  cat.
• 37:51
  I'd
• 37:51
  like
• 37:52
  you
• 37:52
  to
• 37:52
  go
• 37:52
  a
• 37:52
  little
• 37:53
  deeper
• 37:53
  and
• 37:53
  explain
• 37:54
  to
• 37:54
  us
• 37:55
  what
• 37:56
  was
• 37:56
  your
• 37:57
  original
• 37:57
  intent
• 37:58
  and
• 37:59
  how
• 37:59
  did
• 37:59
  she
• 37:59
  persuade
• 38:00
  you
• 38:01
  to
• 38:01
  pivot
• 38:02
  to
• 38:02
  the
• 38:03
  main
• 38:03
  character
• 38:03
  being
• 38:03
  a
• 38:04
  cat?
• 38:05
  Yes.
• 38:06
  I
• 38:06
  definitely
• 38:07
  wanted
• 38:07
  the
• 38:07
  book
• 38:08
  to
• 38:08
  feel
• 38:09
  inclusive
• 38:10
  enough
• 38:10
  for
• 38:11
  any
• 38:11
  child
• 38:11
  to
• 38:12
  be
• 38:12
  able
• 38:12
  to
• 38:12
  relate
• 38:12
  to
• 38:13
  it
• 38:13
  or
• 38:13
  any
• 38:13
  grownup.
• 38:14
  And
• 38:14
  I
• 38:14
  just
• 38:15
  shared
• 38:15
  that
• 38:15
  with
• 38:15
  her.
• 38:15
  I
• 38:16
  shared
• 38:16
  with
• 38:16
  her
• 38:16
  a
• 38:16
  few
• 38:17
  illustrations
• 38:18
  and
• 38:19
  I
• 38:19
  think
• 38:20
  when
• 38:20
  she
• 38:21
  said
• 38:22
  how
• 38:22
  a
• 38:23
  cat,
• 38:23
  it
• 38:23
  just
• 38:23
  clicked
• 38:24
  because
• 38:24
  I
• 38:25
  thought,
• 38:26
  I
• 38:26
  have
• 38:26
  cats.
• 38:27
  And
• 38:27
  I
• 38:28
  thought,
• 38:29
  yes,
• 38:29
  they
• 38:29
  are
• 38:30
  very
• 38:30
  passionate.
• 38:31
  They.
• 38:31
  It
• 38:32
  was
• 38:32
  easy
• 38:32
  to
• 38:33
  imagine
• 38:33
  it
• 38:34
  being
• 38:34
  connected
• 38:35
  when
• 38:35
  you
• 38:36
  see
• 38:36
  that
• 38:36
  cat
• 38:36
  hiss
• 38:37
  or
• 38:37
  their.
• 38:38
  Their
• 38:38
  fur
• 38:38
  fluff
• 38:39
  up
• 38:39
  or
• 38:39
  whatever,
• 38:40
  or
• 38:40
  just
• 38:41
  to
• 38:41
  imagine
• 38:41
  that
• 38:42
  a
• 38:42
  cat
• 38:42
  has
• 38:43
  big
• 38:43
  opinions
• 38:44
  about
• 38:44
  Something
• 38:44
  that's
• 38:45
  happening
• 38:45
  in.
• 38:45
  The
• 38:45
  world
• 38:46
  definitely
• 38:46
  relate
• 38:47
  to
• 38:47
  a
• 38:47
  cat.
• 38:47
  We
• 38:48
  had
• 38:48
  a
• 38:48
  cat
• 38:48
  named
• 38:48
  Amber,
• 38:49
  and
• 38:49
  my
• 38:49
  oldest
• 38:50
  granddaughter
• 38:51
  loved
• 38:52
  that
• 38:52
  cat.
• 38:52
  And
• 38:53
  when
• 38:53
  the
• 38:53
  cat
• 38:53
  passed
• 38:54
  away
• 38:54
  and
• 38:55
  I
• 38:55
  got
• 38:55
  my
• 38:55
  first
• 38:56
  car
• 38:56
  and
• 38:56
  it
• 38:56
  had
• 38:56
  GPS
• 38:57
  and
• 38:58
  it
• 38:58
  had
• 38:58
  a
• 38:58
  voice
• 38:59
  like
• 38:59
  Siri,
• 39:00
  my
• 39:00
  granddaughter
• 39:01
  named
• 39:01
  our
• 39:01
  GPS
• 39:02
  Amber.
• 39:03
  Oh,
• 39:05
  that's
• 39:06
  very
• 39:06
  cute.
• 39:08
  I
• 39:08
  know
• 39:08
  you
• 39:08
  talked
• 39:09
  about
• 39:09
  your
• 39:10
  theme,
• 39:10
  so
• 39:10
  let's
• 39:11
  delve
• 39:11
  a
• 39:11
  little
• 39:11
  deeper
• 39:12
  into
• 39:12
  it.
• 39:13
  I
• 39:13
  think
• 39:14
  you
• 39:14
  called
• 39:14
  it
• 39:14
  inclusivity
• 39:15
  of
• 39:16
  children.
• 39:17
  Talk
• 39:17
  to
• 39:17
  us
• 39:17
  about
• 39:19
  the
• 39:19
  theme
• 39:20
  of
• 39:20
  the
• 39:20
  book,
• 39:21
  the
• 39:21
  story.
• 39:22
  It
• 39:22
  revolves
• 39:23
  around
• 39:23
  this
• 39:24
  cat
• 39:24
  that
• 39:24
  struggles
• 39:25
  with
• 39:26
  his
• 39:27
  or
• 39:27
  her
• 39:28
  big
• 39:28
  feelings
• 39:28
  of
• 39:29
  sadness
• 39:30
  when
• 39:30
  these
• 39:31
  various
• 39:31
  things
• 39:32
  happen
• 39:32
  in
• 39:32
  life.
• 39:33
  But
• 39:33
  then
• 39:33
  there's
• 39:33
  one
• 39:34
  kind
• 39:34
  of
• 39:34
  climactic
• 39:35
  moment,
• 39:35
  I
• 39:35
  think,
• 39:36
  where
• 39:36
  she
• 39:36
  gets
• 39:36
  really
• 39:37
  angry
• 39:38
  and
• 39:38
  she
• 39:38
  sees
• 39:40
  some
• 39:40
  cats
• 39:40
  hurting
• 39:41
  another
• 39:41
  cat,
• 39:42
  and
• 39:42
  it
• 39:42
  makes
• 39:43
  her
• 39:43
  mad.
• 39:44
  And
• 39:44
  I
• 39:45
  think
• 39:46
  the
• 39:47
  whole
• 39:47
  idea
• 39:47
  that
• 39:48
  sometimes
• 39:49
  things
• 39:49
  aren't
• 39:50
  okay
• 39:50
  and
• 39:51
  it
• 39:51
  is
• 39:52
  always
• 39:52
  okay
• 39:53
  to
• 39:53
  be
• 39:53
  mad
• 39:54
  about.
• 39:55
  And
• 39:56
  that
• 39:56
  is
• 39:57
  something
• 39:57
  that
• 39:58
  really
• 39:58
  connected
• 39:58
  with
• 39:59
  me.
• 39:59
  And
• 40:00
  then
• 40:00
  just
• 40:00
  even,
• 40:01
  I
• 40:01
  think,
• 40:02
  because
• 40:02
  I
• 40:02
  was
• 40:02
  embarrassed
• 40:03
  a
• 40:03
  lot
• 40:03
  about
• 40:04
  my
• 40:04
  feelings.
• 40:06
  For
• 40:06
  me,
• 40:06
  at
• 40:06
  least
• 40:07
  when
• 40:07
  I
• 40:07
  share
• 40:07
  something
• 40:08
  that
• 40:08
  I'm
• 40:09
  mad
• 40:09
  about
• 40:09
  something
• 40:09
  or
• 40:10
  I
• 40:10
  share
• 40:10
  something
• 40:11
  out
• 40:11
  of
• 40:11
  my
• 40:11
  mad
• 40:12
  or
• 40:12
  sad,
• 40:13
  I
• 40:13
  immediately
• 40:14
  moved
• 40:14
  to
• 40:14
  shame
• 40:15
  because
• 40:16
  it's
• 40:16
  just
• 40:16
  like,
• 40:16
  I
• 40:17
  shouldn't
• 40:17
  have
• 40:17
  said
• 40:17
  that.
• 40:18
  Why
• 40:18
  did
• 40:18
  I
• 40:19
  say
• 40:19
  that
• 40:19
  out
• 40:19
  loud?
• 40:20
  But
• 40:20
  I
• 40:20
  really
• 40:21
  do
• 40:21
  believe
• 40:22
  that
• 40:23
  if
• 40:23
  we
• 40:23
  were
• 40:24
  a
• 40:24
  little
• 40:24
  more
• 40:24
  authentic
• 40:26
  and
• 40:26
  in,
• 40:27
  again,
• 40:27
  a
• 40:27
  respectfully
• 40:29
  curious
• 40:30
  way,
• 40:31
  that
• 40:31
  it
• 40:31
  would
• 40:32
  really
• 40:32
  help
• 40:32
  us
• 40:32
  to
• 40:33
  grow.
• 40:33
  That
• 40:33
  is
• 40:34
  the
• 40:34
  passion
• 40:34
  behind
• 40:35
  the
• 40:35
  book.
• 40:35
  And
• 40:36
  I
• 40:36
  shared
• 40:36
  it
• 40:36
  with
• 40:37
  a
• 40:37
  coworker
• 40:37
  who
• 40:38
  worked
• 40:38
  with
• 40:38
  kids
• 40:39
  and.
• 40:39
  And
• 40:39
  she
• 40:39
  said,
• 40:40
  I
• 40:40
  really
• 40:40
  appreciate
• 40:41
  that
• 40:41
  this
• 40:41
  book
• 40:42
  validates
• 40:43
  those
• 40:43
  feelings.
• 40:44
  And
• 40:44
  it's
• 40:45
  not
• 40:45
  about
• 40:46
  fixing
• 40:46
  them
• 40:46
  or
• 40:47
  making
• 40:47
  them
• 40:47
  go
• 40:47
  away.
• 40:48
  It's
• 40:48
  about,
• 40:49
  yeah,
• 40:49
  sometimes
• 40:50
  they're
• 40:50
  there
• 40:51
  and
• 40:51
  it's
• 40:51
  okay.
• 40:52
  And
• 40:52
  it
• 40:52
  actually
• 40:53
  can
• 40:53
  help
• 40:53
  us
• 40:53
  grow
• 40:54
  if
• 40:54
  we
• 40:54
  learn
• 40:54
  to
• 40:55
  explore
• 40:55
  and
• 40:56
  ask
• 40:56
  questions
• 40:56
  about
• 40:57
  what
• 40:57
  those
• 40:58
  feelings
• 40:58
  are
• 40:59
  saying
• 40:59
  to
• 40:59
  us.
• 41:00
  I
• 41:00
  couldn't
• 41:00
  agree
• 41:01
  with
• 41:01
  you
• 41:01
  more,
• 41:01
  because
• 41:02
  that's
• 41:03
  part
• 41:03
  of
• 41:04
  a
• 41:04
  children's
• 41:04
  book,
• 41:05
  is
• 41:06
  to
• 41:06
  bring
• 41:06
  out
• 41:07
  things
• 41:07
  that
• 41:08
  they're
• 41:08
  feeling
• 41:09
  and
• 41:09
  know
• 41:10
  they're
• 41:10
  feeling,
• 41:11
  but
• 41:11
  able
• 41:11
  to
• 41:12
  bring
• 41:12
  it
• 41:12
  out
• 41:12
  through
• 41:12
  a
• 41:12
  children's
• 41:13
  book
• 41:13
  so
• 41:14
  that
• 41:14
  they're
• 41:15
  in
• 41:15
  an
• 41:15
  environment
• 41:16
  that's
• 41:16
  safe
• 41:17
  and
• 41:18
  allows
• 41:19
  them
• 41:19
  to
• 41:19
  discuss
• 41:19
  it.
• 41:20
  And
• 41:21
  they
• 41:21
  can
• 41:21
  discuss
• 41:21
  it
• 41:22
  through
• 41:22
  the
• 41:22
  main
• 41:22
  character's
• 41:23
  eyes.
• 41:23
  It
• 41:24
  doesn't
• 41:24
  have
• 41:24
  to
• 41:24
  be
• 41:24
  their
• 41:25
  eyes,
• 41:25
  even
• 41:25
  if
• 41:26
  they
• 41:26
  are
• 41:26
  referring
• 41:26
  to
• 41:27
  themselves.
• 41:27
  Yeah.
• 41:28
  You
• 41:29
  have
• 41:29
  a
• 41:29
  session
• 41:30
  guide,
• 41:30
  a
• 41:30
  discussion
• 41:31
  guide.
• 41:31
  Okay.
• 41:32
  Yes.
• 41:32
  And
• 41:32
  I
• 41:33
  want.
• 41:33
  I
• 41:33
  always
• 41:33
  talk
• 41:33
  about
• 41:34
  the
• 41:34
  central
• 41:34
  teaching.
• 41:35
  A
• 41:35
  discussion
• 41:36
  guide
• 41:36
  really
• 41:37
  is.
• 41:37
  Is
• 41:38
  probably
• 41:38
  the
• 41:39
  base
• 41:40
  for
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  central
• 41:41
  teaching
• 41:41
  of
• 41:41
  your
• 41:41
  book.
• 41:42
  Take
• 41:42
  us
• 41:42
  through
• 41:42
  that.
• 41:43
  Yeah.
• 41:44
  The
• 41:44
  discussion
• 41:44
  guide
• 41:45
  brings
• 41:45
  up
• 41:46
  questions
• 41:46
  like,
• 41:46
  what
• 41:47
  was
• 41:47
  happening
• 41:47
  before
• 41:48
  the
• 41:48
  big
• 41:48
  feelings
• 41:49
  happened
• 41:50
  in
• 41:50
  the
• 41:50
  story,
• 41:51
  what
• 41:51
  happened
• 41:52
  after
• 41:53
  the
• 41:53
  kitties
• 41:54
  were
• 41:54
  mean.
• 41:54
  And.
• 41:55
  And
• 41:55
  there's
• 41:55
  also
• 41:55
  a
• 41:56
  portion
• 41:56
  I
• 41:56
  didn't
• 41:57
  mention
• 41:57
  where
• 41:58
  the
• 41:58
  group
• 41:58
  of
• 41:58
  cats
• 41:59
  is
• 42:00
  downplaying
• 42:00
  the
• 42:01
  feelings
• 42:01
  and
• 42:01
  they're
• 42:02
  saying,
• 42:02
  come
• 42:03
  on,
• 42:03
  just
• 42:03
  have
• 42:04
  fun.
• 42:04
  Why
• 42:04
  do
• 42:04
  you
• 42:04
  always
• 42:04
  have
• 42:05
  to.
• 42:06
  This
• 42:06
  is
• 42:06
  my
• 42:06
  life
• 42:07
  because
• 42:07
  I
• 42:07
  work
• 42:07
  in
• 42:07
  foster
• 42:08
  care
• 42:09
  and
• 42:09
  it's
• 42:09
  hard
• 42:10
  work.
• 42:10
  And
• 42:10
  it's
• 42:11
  not
• 42:11
  a
• 42:11
  lot
• 42:11
  of
• 42:11
  people
• 42:11
  want
• 42:12
  to
• 42:12
  hear
• 42:12
  about
• 42:12
  it
• 42:12
  because
• 42:13
  it's
• 42:13
  hard
• 42:13
  and
• 42:14
  it
• 42:14
  stinks
• 42:15
  and
• 42:15
  it
• 42:15
  just
• 42:15
  weighs
• 42:16
  you
• 42:16
  down.
• 42:17
  Sometimes
• 42:17
  I
• 42:17
  feel
• 42:18
  like
• 42:18
  I'm
• 42:18
  pretending.
• 42:19
  And
• 42:19
  with
• 42:20
  people
• 42:21
  who
• 42:21
  don't
• 42:21
  deal
• 42:22
  in
• 42:22
  this
• 42:23
  world,
• 42:23
  how
• 42:24
  do
• 42:24
  you
• 42:24
  feel
• 42:24
  when
• 42:24
  you're
• 42:25
  having
• 42:25
  to
• 42:25
  pretend
• 42:25
  to
• 42:26
  be
• 42:26
  happy?
• 42:27
  When
• 42:27
  you
• 42:27
  really
• 42:27
  feel
• 42:27
  sad
• 42:28
  inside
• 42:29
  about
• 42:29
  something
• 42:30
  or
• 42:31
  just.
• 42:31
  I
• 42:32
  think
• 42:32
  there's
• 42:32
  a
• 42:32
  portion
• 42:33
  where
• 42:33
  it's
• 42:33
  like,
• 42:34
  can
• 42:34
  you
• 42:34
  act
• 42:35
  out
• 42:35
  what
• 42:36
  a
• 42:36
  scenario
• 42:37
  in
• 42:37
  the
• 42:37
  book
• 42:37
  that
• 42:38
  you
• 42:38
  particularly
• 42:39
  related
• 42:39
  to?
• 42:40
  And
• 42:40
  it's
• 42:41
  nice
• 42:41
  now,
• 42:41
  Joy,
• 42:42
  that
• 42:42
  children's
• 42:43
  book
• 42:43
  authors
• 42:44
  are
• 42:44
  creating
• 42:45
  a
• 42:45
  little
• 42:45
  more
• 42:45
  value
• 42:46
  added
• 42:47
  to
• 42:47
  just
• 42:49
  because
• 42:49
  you
• 42:49
  heard
• 42:50
  this
• 42:50
  for
• 42:50
  years.
• 42:51
  What's
• 42:52
  the
• 42:52
  moral
• 42:52
  to
• 42:53
  the
• 42:53
  story?
• 42:53
  Every
• 42:54
  children's
• 42:54
  book,
• 42:55
  if
• 42:55
  you
• 42:55
  go
• 42:55
  back
• 42:55
  to
• 42:56
  Pinocchio,
• 42:57
  you
• 42:57
  go
• 42:58
  back
• 42:58
  to
• 42:58
  the
• 42:59
  three
• 42:59
  pigs,
• 42:59
  there's
• 43:00
  always
• 43:00
  a
• 43:00
  moral
• 43:01
  to
• 43:01
  the
• 43:01
  story.
• 43:02
  When
• 43:02
  they
• 43:02
  were
• 43:02
  first
• 43:03
  written,
• 43:03
  the
• 43:04
  children's
• 43:04
  book
• 43:04
  author
• 43:05
  said,
• 43:05
  oh,
• 43:06
  by
• 43:06
  the
• 43:06
  way,
• 43:07
  have
• 43:08
  a
• 43:08
  discussion
• 43:09
  guide.
• 43:09
  Yeah.
• 43:10
  Yeah.
• 43:10
  Even
• 43:11
  though
• 43:11
  that's
• 43:11
  part
• 43:12
  of
• 43:12
  why
• 43:12
  they
• 43:12
  did
• 43:13
  the
• 43:13
  moral
• 43:13
  to
• 43:14
  the
• 43:14
  story
• 43:15
  was
• 43:15
  to
• 43:15
  create
• 43:16
  discussion.
• 43:17
  Yeah.
• 43:18
  So
• 43:18
  thank
• 43:18
  you
• 43:19
  for
• 43:19
  sharing
• 43:19
  that
• 43:20
  you've
• 43:20
  written
• 43:21
  that
• 43:21
  your
• 43:21
  next
• 43:21
  book,
• 43:22
  which
• 43:22
  is
• 43:22
  already
• 43:22
  your
• 43:23
  niece
• 43:24
  being
• 43:24
  illustrated.
• 43:26
  Has
• 43:26
  your
• 43:27
  writing
• 43:27
  process
• 43:28
  changed
• 43:28
  at
• 43:29
  all
• 43:29
  from
• 43:29
  your
• 43:30
  first
• 43:30
  book
• 43:30
  to
• 43:30
  your
• 43:30
  second
• 43:31
  book?
• 43:32
  Or
• 43:32
  even
• 43:32
  if
• 43:32
  you
• 43:32
  go
• 43:33
  back
• 43:33
  to
• 43:33
  when
• 43:33
  you
• 43:34
  wrote
• 43:34
  the
• 43:34
  book
• 43:35
  that
• 43:35
  you're
• 43:35
  still
• 43:35
  sitting
• 43:36
  on
• 43:36
  or
• 43:36
  have
• 43:37
  it
• 43:37
  tucked
• 43:37
  away
• 43:37
  in
• 43:38
  your
• 43:38
  drawer,
• 43:39
  talk
• 43:39
  to
• 43:39
  us
• 43:40
  about
• 43:40
  your
• 43:41
  whole
• 43:42
  writing
• 43:42
  process.
• 43:44
  Yeah.
• 43:44
  I
• 43:44
  think
• 43:45
  the
• 43:45
  second
• 43:46
  book
• 43:47
  will
• 43:47
  be
• 43:47
  called
• 43:48
  Big
• 43:48
  Feels,
• 43:49
  Same
• 43:50
  series.
• 43:50
  The
• 43:51
  Diary
• 43:51
  of
• 43:52
  a
• 43:52
  Happy
• 43:52
  Pup.
• 43:53
  And
• 43:53
  when
• 43:54
  I
• 43:54
  was
• 43:54
  young,
• 43:55
  I
• 43:55
  loved
• 43:56
  the
• 43:57
  sweet
• 43:57
  pickles.
• 43:58
  And
• 43:58
  I
• 43:58
  know
• 43:58
  they
• 43:59
  were
• 43:59
  not
• 43:59
  broadly
• 44:00
  distributed,
• 44:01
  but
• 44:01
  when
• 44:01
  I
• 44:01
  was
• 44:01
  little,
• 44:02
  there
• 44:03
  was
• 44:03
  different
• 44:03
  characters,
• 44:04
  different
• 44:04
  animals
• 44:05
  that
• 44:05
  were
• 44:05
  affiliated
• 44:06
  with
• 44:06
  a
• 44:06
  character
• 44:07
  trait.
• 44:08
  My
• 44:08
  writing
• 44:09
  process
• 44:09
  with
• 44:09
  these
• 44:10
  big
• 44:10
  sealed
• 44:11
  books
• 44:11
  is
• 44:11
  going
• 44:11
  to
• 44:12
  be
• 44:12
  similar,
• 44:12
  and
• 44:13
  who
• 44:13
  knows
• 44:13
  how
• 44:13
  many
• 44:13
  they'll
• 44:14
  be,
• 44:15
  But
• 44:15
  I
• 44:15
  envisioned
• 44:16
  the
• 44:16
  passionate
• 44:17
  cat
• 44:17
  with
• 44:17
  her
• 44:18
  opinions
• 44:18
  and
• 44:18
  then
• 44:19
  the
• 44:19
  happy
• 44:20
  who
• 44:20
  really
• 44:20
  just
• 44:20
  again,
• 44:21
  doesn't
• 44:21
  want
• 44:21
  to
• 44:21
  deal
• 44:22
  with
• 44:22
  the
• 44:22
  big
• 44:22
  feelings.
• 44:23
  More
• 44:23
  of
• 44:23
  a
• 44:23
  let's.
• 44:24
  Can
• 44:24
  we
• 44:24
  just
• 44:25
  pretend
• 44:25
  that
• 44:25
  they're.
• 44:26
  Pretend
• 44:27
  that
• 44:27
  there's
• 44:28
  nothing
• 44:28
  sad
• 44:28
  in
• 44:28
  the
• 44:28
  world
• 44:29
  and
• 44:29
  just
• 44:29
  live
• 44:30
  our
• 44:30
  lives?
• 44:31
  I'm
• 44:31
  excited
• 44:32
  about
• 44:32
  that
• 44:32
  one.
• 44:33
  But
• 44:33
  definitely
• 44:33
  these
• 44:34
  feelings
• 44:35
  books
• 44:35
  are
• 44:35
  different
• 44:36
  than
• 44:37
  the
• 44:37
  first
• 44:37
  book
• 44:38
  I
• 44:38
  had.
• 44:38
  It
• 44:39
  was.
• 44:39
  It
• 44:39
  was
• 44:39
  more
• 44:40
  of
• 44:40
  a
• 44:41
  Moral
• 44:41
  of
• 44:42
  the
• 44:42
  story
• 44:42
  too,
• 44:42
  but
• 44:43
  it
• 44:43
  was
• 44:43
  about
• 44:43
  being
• 44:43
  a
• 44:43
  good
• 44:44
  leader.
• 44:45
  Again,
• 44:45
  another
• 44:46
  trait.
• 44:46
  And
• 44:47
  are
• 44:47
  you
• 44:47
  drawing
• 44:47
  on
• 44:48
  your
• 44:48
  own
• 44:49
  personal
• 44:49
  experiences
• 44:50
  only
• 44:51
  or
• 44:51
  have
• 44:51
  you
• 44:51
  got
• 44:52
  some
• 44:53
  research
• 44:53
  that
• 44:53
  you've
• 44:53
  done
• 44:54
  behind
• 44:54
  the
• 44:54
  books?
• 44:55
  That's
• 44:56
  a
• 44:56
  good
• 44:56
  question.
• 44:57
  So
• 44:57
  far
• 44:57
  it's
• 44:58
  pretty
• 44:58
  much
• 44:58
  personal
• 44:59
  experience.
• 45:00
  The
• 45:00
  tucked
• 45:01
  away
• 45:01
  one
• 45:01
  was
• 45:02
  from
• 45:02
  my
• 45:03
  work
• 45:03
  in
• 45:03
  a
• 45:03
  school
• 45:04
  and
• 45:05
  just
• 45:06
  an
• 45:06
  opportunity
• 45:07
  again
• 45:07
  to
• 45:07
  provide
• 45:07
  a
• 45:08
  moral
• 45:08
  to
• 45:08
  the
• 45:08
  story.
• 45:09
  What
• 45:09
  does
• 45:09
  a
• 45:09
  good
• 45:09
  leader
• 45:10
  look
• 45:10
  like?
• 45:11
  And
• 45:11
  then
• 45:12
  these
• 45:13
  are
• 45:13
  more
• 45:13
  just
• 45:14
  focused
• 45:14
  around
• 45:15
  feelings,
• 45:15
  I
• 45:15
  think,
• 45:16
  because
• 45:17
  in
• 45:18
  I've
• 45:18
  just
• 45:19
  seen
• 45:19
  in
• 45:19
  our
• 45:20
  family
• 45:21
  and
• 45:21
  our
• 45:22
  work,
• 45:23
  feelings
• 45:23
  are
• 45:23
  hard,
• 45:24
  they're
• 45:24
  tricky.
• 45:25
  So
• 45:25
  I
• 45:25
  feel
• 45:25
  like
• 45:25
  it's
• 45:26
  a
• 45:26
  good
• 45:26
  opportunity
• 45:27
  to
• 45:27
  just
• 45:27
  flesh
• 45:28
  it
• 45:28
  out
• 45:28
  a
• 45:28
  little
• 45:28
  bit
• 45:29
  more.
• 45:29
  At
• 45:30
  the
• 45:30
  beginning,
• 45:31
  we
• 45:31
  talked
• 45:32
  about
• 45:33
  a
• 45:34
  children's
• 45:34
  book
• 45:35
  business
• 45:35
  plan,
• 45:36
  but
• 45:37
  I'm
• 45:37
  really
• 45:38
  curious
• 45:38
  about
• 45:39
  success,
• 45:41
  how
• 45:41
  we
• 45:41
  as
• 45:42
  children's
• 45:42
  book
• 45:42
  authors
• 45:43
  envision
• 45:43
  success.
• 45:44
  So
• 45:45
  can
• 45:45
  you
• 45:46
  tell
• 45:46
  us
• 45:47
  what
• 45:48
  did
• 45:48
  you
• 45:48
  have
• 45:48
  in
• 45:49
  mind
• 45:49
  as
• 45:49
  success
• 45:50
  for
• 45:50
  your
• 45:50
  first
• 45:51
  book?
• 45:51
  And
• 45:52
  what
• 45:52
  does
• 45:52
  it
• 45:52
  look
• 45:53
  like
• 45:53
  now
• 45:53
  your
• 45:54
  original
• 45:55
  thought
• 45:56
  about
• 45:56
  success
• 45:57
  and
• 45:58
  what
• 45:58
  the
• 45:58
  reality
• 45:58
  of
• 45:59
  that
• 45:59
  success
• 45:59
  is?
• 46:00
  Now
• 46:01
  that's
• 46:01
  a
• 46:01
  big
• 46:02
  question.
• 46:03
  I
• 46:04
  think
• 46:05
  like
• 46:06
  in
• 46:06
  my
• 46:07
  most
• 46:07
  ignorant
• 46:08
  early
• 46:09
  thoughts,
• 46:09
  of
• 46:09
  course,
• 46:10
  success
• 46:10
  might
• 46:11
  be
• 46:11
  you
• 46:11
  put
• 46:12
  the
• 46:12
  book
• 46:12
  out
• 46:12
  there.
• 46:13
  It's
• 46:13
  so
• 46:13
  amazing.
• 46:14
  Everyone
• 46:15
  loves
• 46:15
  it
• 46:15
  and
• 46:16
  tells
• 46:16
  all
• 46:16
  their
• 46:16
  friends.
• 46:17
  Right.
• 46:18
  But
• 46:18
  what
• 46:18
  I
• 46:18
  realized
• 46:20
  was
• 46:21
  just
• 46:21
  ongoing
• 46:22
  work.
• 46:23
  I
• 46:23
  did
• 46:23
  develop
• 46:24
  a
• 46:24
  launch
• 46:24
  team
• 46:25
  for
• 46:26
  just
• 46:26
  prior
• 46:27
  to
• 46:27
  the
• 46:27
  book
• 46:28
  coming
• 46:28
  out.
• 46:29
  So
• 46:29
  that
• 46:29
  was
• 46:30
  cool.
• 46:30
  Had
• 46:31
  almost
• 46:31
  a
• 46:31
  hundred
• 46:32
  people
• 46:32
  sign
• 46:33
  up.
• 46:33
  To
• 46:33
  be
• 46:33
  good
• 46:34
  for
• 46:34
  you.
• 46:34
  Yeah.
• 46:35
  And
• 46:35
  of
• 46:36
  course
• 46:36
  not
• 46:36
  everybody
• 46:37
  that
• 46:37
  signs
• 46:37
  up
• 46:37
  is
• 46:38
  going
• 46:38
  to
• 46:38
  read
• 46:38
  it.
• 46:38
  I
• 46:38
  basically
• 46:39
  developed
• 46:39
  a
• 46:40
  Google
• 46:40
  form
• 46:41
  and
• 46:41
  put
• 46:41
  it
• 46:42
  on
• 46:42
  social
• 46:42
  media
• 46:43
  and
• 46:43
  ask
• 46:44
  people
• 46:44
  to
• 46:44
  sign
• 46:44
  up
• 46:44
  to
• 46:45
  be
• 46:45
  a
• 46:45
  part
• 46:45
  of
• 46:45
  the
• 46:45
  launch
• 46:46
  team.
• 46:46
  And
• 46:46
  it
• 46:46
  ended
• 46:46
  up
• 46:47
  being
• 46:47
  almost
• 46:47
  a
• 46:47
  hundred
• 46:48
  people.
• 46:48
  So
• 46:48
  that
• 46:49
  was
• 46:49
  a
• 46:49
  good
• 46:49
  start
• 46:50
  to
• 46:50
  just
• 46:50
  ask
• 46:51
  people
• 46:51
  to
• 46:51
  do.
• 46:51
  To
• 46:52
  read
• 46:52
  the
• 46:52
  book
• 46:52
  and
• 46:52
  do
• 46:52
  reviews.
• 46:54
  And
• 46:54
  I
• 46:55
  think
• 46:56
  now
• 46:56
  got
• 46:57
  24
• 46:57
  reviews,
• 46:58
  which
• 46:58
  isn't
• 46:59
  a
• 46:59
  lot
• 46:59
  on
• 46:59
  Amazon.
• 47:00
  Again,
• 47:00
  not
• 47:00
  everybody
• 47:01
  will
• 47:01
  do
• 47:01
  it,
• 47:01
  but
• 47:01
  it's
• 47:02
  like
• 47:02
  when
• 47:02
  you
• 47:02
  invite
• 47:02
  someone,
• 47:03
  a
• 47:03
  group
• 47:03
  to
• 47:04
  a
• 47:04
  party,
• 47:04
  about
• 47:04
  30%
• 47:05
  will
• 47:05
  come.
• 47:06
  So
• 47:06
  it's.
• 47:06
  You
• 47:06
  aim
• 47:06
  as
• 47:07
  high
• 47:07
  as
• 47:07
  you
• 47:07
  can.
• 47:08
  Um,
• 47:08
  I
• 47:08
  do
• 47:08
  believe
• 47:09
  that
• 47:09
  I
• 47:09
  would
• 47:10
  like
• 47:10
  to
• 47:10
  get
• 47:10
  into
• 47:11
  schools,
• 47:11
  I
• 47:11
  would
• 47:11
  like
• 47:12
  to
• 47:12
  get
• 47:12
  in
• 47:12
  the
• 47:13
  book,
• 47:13
  into
• 47:13
  therapy
• 47:14
  offices.
• 47:14
  I
• 47:15
  dropped
• 47:15
  a
• 47:15
  couple
• 47:15
  of
• 47:15
  copies
• 47:16
  at
• 47:16
  the
• 47:16
  Seattle
• 47:17
  Children's
• 47:17
  Hospital
• 47:18
  with
• 47:19
  the
• 47:19
  resource
• 47:20
  person
• 47:20
  the
• 47:20
  other
• 47:20
  day.
• 47:21
  For
• 47:21
  me,
• 47:21
  right
• 47:21
  now
• 47:22
  it's
• 47:22
  just
• 47:22
  getting
• 47:22
  it
• 47:23
  out
• 47:23
  there.
• 47:23
  I
• 47:23
  don't
• 47:24
  expect
• 47:25
  to
• 47:25
  make
• 47:25
  money
• 47:25
  on
• 47:25
  the
• 47:26
  book
• 47:26
  for
• 47:26
  a
• 47:26
  while,
• 47:28
  if
• 47:28
  ever.
• 47:28
  Hopefully
• 47:29
  I
• 47:29
  do
• 47:29
  eventually,
• 47:30
  but
• 47:31
  I'd
• 47:31
  love
• 47:31
  to
• 47:31
  get
• 47:31
  it
• 47:31
  out
• 47:32
  there.
• 47:32
  We
• 47:32
  talk
• 47:33
  about
• 47:33
  that
• 47:33
  all
• 47:33
  the
• 47:33
  time
• 47:34
  on
• 47:34
  the
• 47:34
  show
• 47:34
  that
• 47:35
  the
• 47:35
  average
• 47:35
  book
• 47:36
  sells
• 47:36
  between
• 47:37
  2
• 47:37
  and
• 47:38
  500
• 47:38
  copies
• 47:39
  over
• 47:40
  the
• 47:40
  lifetime
• 47:41
  of
• 47:41
  the
• 47:41
  book.
• 47:41
  So
• 47:41
  if
• 47:41
  you
• 47:42
  do
• 47:42
  the
• 47:42
  math,
• 47:43
  you'll
• 47:43
  know
• 47:43
  that
• 47:44
  the
• 47:44
  chance
• 47:45
  of
• 47:45
  getting
• 47:45
  a
• 47:46
  return
• 47:46
  on
• 47:46
  your
• 47:46
  investment,
• 47:48
  not
• 47:48
  including
• 47:49
  your
• 47:49
  time,
• 47:50
  is
• 47:51
  difficult.
• 47:51
  And
• 47:52
  that's
• 47:52
  why
• 47:53
  we
• 47:53
  were
• 47:53
  talking
• 47:54
  earlier.
• 47:54
  It's
• 47:55
  all
• 47:55
  about,
• 47:56
  for
• 47:56
  me,
• 47:56
  is
• 47:57
  trying
• 47:57
  to
• 47:57
  heighten
• 47:58
  people's
• 47:59
  awareness
• 48:00
  that
• 48:00
  you
• 48:00
  need
• 48:00
  to
• 48:01
  build
• 48:01
  a
• 48:01
  children's
• 48:02
  book
• 48:02
  business
• 48:03
  plan
• 48:04
  behind
• 48:04
  your
• 48:05
  book.
• 48:05
  Yeah,
• 48:05
  yeah.
• 48:06
  Otherwise
• 48:07
  you're
• 48:07
  probably
• 48:08
  going
• 48:08
  to
• 48:08
  sell
• 48:09
  in
• 48:09
  that
• 48:09
  2
• 48:10
  to
• 48:10
  500
• 48:11
  copy
• 48:11
  range
• 48:12
  over
• 48:12
  the
• 48:12
  entirety
• 48:13
  of
• 48:13
  your
• 48:13
  book.
• 48:13
  Whatever
• 48:14
  we
• 48:15
  can
• 48:15
  do
• 48:15
  to
• 48:15
  support
• 48:16
  people
• 48:17
  reaching
• 48:17
  out.
• 48:17
  And
• 48:18
  I
• 48:18
  love
• 48:18
  that.
• 48:18
  Your
• 48:19
  launch
• 48:19
  team.
• 48:20
  I've
• 48:20
  talked
• 48:20
  to
• 48:20
  other
• 48:21
  people
• 48:21
  before
• 48:22
  about
• 48:22
  launch
• 48:22
  teams,
• 48:23
  but
• 48:24
  I
• 48:24
  don't
• 48:24
  think
• 48:25
  I've
• 48:25
  ever
• 48:25
  talked
• 48:26
  to
• 48:26
  a
• 48:26
  children's
• 48:26
  book
• 48:27
  author
• 48:27
  who's
• 48:28
  had
• 48:28
  100
• 48:28
  people
• 48:29
  on
• 48:29
  their
• 48:29
  launch
• 48:29
  team.
• 48:30
  Oh,
• 48:30
  great.
• 48:30
  Just
• 48:31
  awesome.
• 48:32
  Good
• 48:32
  for
• 48:32
  you.
• 48:32
  It's
• 48:33
  great.
• 48:33
  And
• 48:33
  I
• 48:33
  really
• 48:33
  love
• 48:34
  the
• 48:34
  emails,
• 48:34
  too,
• 48:35
  the
• 48:35
  automated
• 48:35
  emails.
• 48:36
  That's
• 48:36
  something
• 48:37
  that's.
• 48:37
  You
• 48:38
  have
• 48:38
  to
• 48:38
  keep
• 48:38
  on
• 48:38
  top
• 48:39
  of.
• 48:39
  But
• 48:40
  I've
• 48:40
  heard
• 48:41
  that's
• 48:41
  a
• 48:41
  really
• 48:41
  big,
• 48:42
  important
• 48:42
  part
• 48:42
  to
• 48:43
  keep
• 48:43
  people
• 48:43
  engaged.
• 48:44
  It's
• 48:44
  hard
• 48:44
  for
• 48:45
  me
• 48:45
  because
• 48:45
  I
• 48:45
  don't
• 48:45
  ever
• 48:46
  check
• 48:46
  my
• 48:46
  emails
• 48:47
  generally.
• 48:47
  So
• 48:48
  I'm
• 48:48
  like,
• 48:48
  is
• 48:48
  anyone
• 48:49
  seeing
• 48:49
  this?
• 48:49
  But
• 48:50
  I've
• 48:50
  heard
• 48:50
  that's
• 48:51
  a
• 48:51
  really
• 48:51
  important
• 48:52
  piece.
• 48:52
  And
• 48:52
  you
• 48:52
  said
• 48:53
  you
• 48:53
  had
• 48:53
  developed
• 48:54
  a
• 48:54
  Google
• 48:55
  form
• 48:56
  and
• 48:57
  you
• 48:57
  just
• 48:57
  posted
• 48:58
  that
• 48:58
  repeatedly
• 48:59
  out
• 49:00
  to
• 49:00
  the
• 49:00
  world
• 49:00
  through
• 49:01
  social
• 49:01
  media.
• 49:02
  Google
• 49:03
  forms
• 49:03
  are
• 49:03
  super
• 49:04
  simple
• 49:04
  in
• 49:05
  the
• 49:05
  way
• 49:05
  that
• 49:06
  you
• 49:06
  can
• 49:06
  just.
• 49:07
  If
• 49:07
  you
• 49:07
  have
• 49:07
  a
• 49:08
  Google
• 49:08
  account,
• 49:08
  you
• 49:08
  can
• 49:09
  just
• 49:09
  go
• 49:09
  to
• 49:09
  the
• 49:09
  little
• 49:10
  place
• 49:10
  with
• 49:10
  the
• 49:10
  little
• 49:11
  nine
• 49:11
  dots
• 49:11
  up
• 49:11
  in
• 49:12
  the
• 49:12
  corner
• 49:13
  and
• 49:13
  you
• 49:14
  click
• 49:14
  on
• 49:14
  it
• 49:14
  and
• 49:15
  then
• 49:15
  scroll
• 49:15
  down
• 49:15
  and
• 49:16
  there's
• 49:16
  a
• 49:16
  form
• 49:16
  option
• 49:17
  and
• 49:17
  you
• 49:17
  click
• 49:18
  the
• 49:18
  form.
• 49:18
  You
• 49:18
  can
• 49:19
  put
• 49:19
  a
• 49:20
  cool
• 49:21
  picture
• 49:21
  in
• 49:21
  there.
• 49:22
  They
• 49:22
  have
• 49:22
  all
• 49:22
  kinds
• 49:22
  of
• 49:22
  design
• 49:23
  templates.
• 49:24
  You
• 49:24
  can
• 49:25
  tailor
• 49:26
  what
• 49:26
  you
• 49:26
  want
• 49:27
  in
• 49:27
  the
• 49:27
  form.
• 49:27
  The
• 49:27
  name,
• 49:28
  email,
• 49:28
  phone
• 49:29
  number
• 49:29
  is,
• 49:30
  I
• 49:30
  think,
• 49:30
  all
• 49:31
  I
• 49:31
  had,
• 49:31
  and
• 49:32
  then
• 49:32
  a
• 49:32
  little
• 49:32
  description
• 49:33
  about
• 49:33
  what
• 49:33
  it
• 49:33
  was.
• 49:34
  And
• 49:34
  I'm
• 49:34
  not
• 49:34
  going
• 49:34
  to
• 49:35
  use
• 49:35
  your
• 49:35
  phone
• 49:35
  number
• 49:35
  for
• 49:36
  anything
• 49:36
  other
• 49:37
  than
• 49:37
  this
• 49:38
  process.
• 49:39
  And
• 49:39
  I
• 49:39
  really
• 49:40
  didn't
• 49:40
  need
• 49:40
  the
• 49:41
  phone
• 49:41
  number
• 49:41
  in
• 49:41
  hindsight.
• 49:42
  But
• 49:42
  I
• 49:42
  thought
• 49:42
  it
• 49:42
  might
• 49:42
  help
• 49:43
  if
• 49:43
  I
• 49:43
  wanted
• 49:43
  to
• 49:44
  send
• 49:44
  a
• 49:44
  text
• 49:44
  to
• 49:45
  remind
• 49:45
  people
• 49:45
  to
• 49:46
  read
• 49:46
  the
• 49:46
  book.
• 49:47
  Yeah.
• 49:47
  But
• 49:47
  it
• 49:47
  was
• 49:47
  super
• 49:48
  simple.
• 49:48
  And
• 49:48
  you
• 49:48
  can
• 49:49
  link
• 49:49
  it.
• 49:49
  You're
• 49:50
  on
• 49:50
  Facebook
• 49:51
  and
• 49:51
  Instagram.
• 49:53
  Yes.
• 49:54
  Was
• 49:54
  that
• 49:55
  the
• 49:55
  primary
• 49:56
  area
• 49:57
  that
• 49:57
  you
• 49:57
  used
• 49:58
  to
• 49:58
  send
• 49:58
  the
• 49:58
  Google
• 49:58
  form
• 49:59
  out?
• 50:00
  Yeah.
• 50:00
  Yep.
• 50:01
  And
• 50:01
  then
• 50:01
  did
• 50:02
  you
• 50:02
  encourage
• 50:02
  other
• 50:03
  people
• 50:03
  to
• 50:03
  send
• 50:04
  it,
• 50:04
  share
• 50:04
  it
• 50:05
  if.
• 50:05
  Yeah.
• 50:05
  So
• 50:06
  you
• 50:06
  tell
• 50:06
  one
• 50:07
  person,
• 50:07
  they
• 50:07
  tell.
• 50:08
  Yeah.
• 50:09
  Three
• 50:09
  more
• 50:09
  people
• 50:10
  and
• 50:10
  they
• 50:10
  tell.
• 50:11
  And
• 50:11
  it
• 50:12
  worked
• 50:12
  out
• 50:12
  that
• 50:12
  you
• 50:12
  got
• 50:13
  a
• 50:13
  hundred
• 50:13
  people
• 50:13
  on
• 50:13
  your
• 50:14
  launch
• 50:14
  team.
• 50:15
  Yeah.
• 50:15
  Yeah.
• 50:16
  Good
• 50:16
  for
• 50:17
  you.
• 50:17
  I
• 50:17
  hope
• 50:17
  the
• 50:18
  listeners,
• 50:19
  even
• 50:19
  as
• 50:19
  an
• 50:20
  experienced
• 50:20
  children's
• 50:21
  book
• 50:21
  author,
• 50:21
  what
• 50:22
  A
• 50:22
  great.
• 50:22
  Yeah,
• 50:23
  what
• 50:23
  a
• 50:23
  great
• 50:24
  thing.
• 50:24
  Good
• 50:24
  for
• 50:24
  you.
• 50:24
  You
• 50:25
  can
• 50:25
  also
• 50:25
  then
• 50:26
  look
• 50:26
  at
• 50:26
  your
• 50:26
  responses
• 50:27
  in
• 50:27
  a
• 50:27
  spreadsheet
• 50:28
  format.
• 50:29
  So
• 50:29
  then
• 50:29
  you
• 50:29
  can
• 50:29
  just
• 50:30
  copy
• 50:30
  paste
• 50:30
  those
• 50:31
  emails
• 50:32
  into
• 50:33
  your
• 50:33
  email,
• 50:34
  website
• 50:35
  generator,
• 50:36
  whatever,
• 50:36
  and
• 50:36
  send
• 50:37
  thank
• 50:37
  you
• 50:37
  emails
• 50:38
  or
• 50:38
  whatever.
• 50:38
  So
• 50:39
  super
• 50:39
  helpful.
• 50:40
  Terrific.
• 50:40
  Now
• 50:40
  that
• 50:40
  we're
• 50:41
  talking
• 50:41
  about
• 50:42
  advice
• 50:44
  is,
• 50:44
  do
• 50:44
  you
• 50:45
  have
• 50:45
  some
• 50:45
  other
• 50:46
  advice
• 50:47
  for
• 50:47
  aspiring
• 50:48
  children's
• 50:48
  book
• 50:49
  authors
• 50:49
  that
• 50:49
  you'd
• 50:49
  like
• 50:50
  to
• 50:50
  share?
• 50:51
  I
• 50:52
  would
• 50:52
  say
• 50:54
  stay
• 50:54
  true
• 50:55
  to
• 50:55
  your
• 50:56
  passion.
• 50:56
  For
• 50:57
  me,
• 50:57
  I
• 50:57
  don't
• 50:57
  ever
• 50:58
  want
• 50:58
  to
• 50:58
  get
• 50:58
  off
• 50:59
  track
• 50:59
  of
• 51:00
  what
• 51:00
  my
• 51:00
  heart
• 51:00
  around
• 51:01
  this
• 51:01
  project
• 51:01
  is.
• 51:02
  I'd
• 51:02
  love
• 51:03
  to
• 51:03
  make
• 51:03
  it
• 51:03
  bigger
• 51:04
  and
• 51:04
  grow
• 51:04
  and
• 51:04
  spread
• 51:05
  it
• 51:05
  out,
• 51:06
  but
• 51:06
  I
• 51:06
  don't
• 51:06
  want
• 51:06
  to
• 51:06
  lose
• 51:07
  myself
• 51:08
  and
• 51:08
  my
• 51:08
  heart
• 51:08
  about
• 51:09
  the
• 51:09
  message
• 51:10
  of
• 51:10
  the
• 51:10
  book
• 51:10
  in
• 51:11
  that.
• 51:11
  So
• 51:12
  I
• 51:12
  think
• 51:12
  if
• 51:12
  there's
• 51:12
  a
• 51:13
  piece
• 51:13
  of
• 51:13
  yourself
• 51:14
  that
• 51:14
  you're
• 51:14
  willing
• 51:14
  to
• 51:14
  put
• 51:15
  out
• 51:15
  there,
• 51:16
  try
• 51:17
  not
• 51:17
  to
• 51:17
  be
• 51:17
  afraid.
• 51:18
  It's
• 51:18
  okay
• 51:18
  to
• 51:18
  have
• 51:18
  those.
• 51:19
  We'll
• 51:20
  see
• 51:20
  our
• 51:20
  full
• 51:20
  feelings,
• 51:21
  but
• 51:21
  have
• 51:21
  the
• 51:21
  courage
• 51:22
  to
• 51:22
  get
• 51:22
  it
• 51:22
  out
• 51:22
  there
• 51:23
  because
• 51:23
  you
• 51:23
  never
• 51:24
  know
• 51:24
  who
• 51:24
  might
• 51:24
  be
• 51:24
  going
• 51:24
  through
• 51:25
  the
• 51:25
  same
• 51:25
  thing
• 51:25
  and
• 51:26
  who
• 51:26
  might
• 51:26
  be
• 51:26
  touched
• 51:27
  by
• 51:27
  what
• 51:27
  you
• 51:27
  share.
• 51:28
  Absolutely.
• 51:29
  And
• 51:30
  what
• 51:30
  keeps
• 51:30
  you
• 51:31
  going
• 51:31
  as
• 51:31
  a
• 51:32
  children's
• 51:32
  book
• 51:32
  author
• 51:33
  now
• 51:33
  that
• 51:33
  you've
• 51:33
  divulged
• 51:34
  that
• 51:34
  you're
• 51:35
  now
• 51:35
  written
• 51:36
  your
• 51:36
  second
• 51:36
  book
• 51:37
  or
• 51:37
  third
• 51:37
  book,
• 51:38
  depending
• 51:38
  on
• 51:38
  how
• 51:38
  you
• 51:39
  look
• 51:39
  at
• 51:39
  it.
• 51:40
  So
• 51:40
  what
• 51:40
  keeps
• 51:41
  you
• 51:41
  going?
• 51:42
  I
• 51:42
  think
• 51:43
  it's
• 51:43
  a
• 51:43
  really
• 51:44
  fun
• 51:44
  part
• 51:44
  of
• 51:44
  my
• 51:44
  life.
• 51:45
  It's
• 51:45
  a
• 51:46
  creative
• 51:46
  part.
• 51:47
  And
• 51:47
  again,
• 51:48
  if
• 51:48
  it
• 51:48
  ever
• 51:48
  stops
• 51:49
  being
• 51:49
  fun,
• 51:50
  I
• 51:50
  know
• 51:50
  I'm
• 51:50
  too
• 51:50
  busy.
• 51:51
  I
• 51:51
  need
• 51:51
  to
• 51:51
  carve
• 51:52
  out
• 51:52
  a
• 51:52
  little
• 51:52
  more
• 51:53
  time
• 51:53
  because
• 51:53
  it
• 51:53
  is
• 51:54
  fun.
• 51:55
  And
• 51:55
  so,
• 51:56
  yeah,
• 51:57
  it's
• 51:57
  a
• 51:57
  place
• 51:57
  to
• 51:59
  explore
• 51:59
  ideas,
• 52:00
  explore
• 52:01
  what's
• 52:01
  next,
• 52:02
  keep
• 52:02
  creating.
• 52:03
  Keep
• 52:03
  piling
• 52:03
  on
• 52:05
  encouragement
• 52:05
  for
• 52:06
  readers.
• 52:06
  So
• 52:06
  why
• 52:07
  should
• 52:07
  children's
• 52:08
  book
• 52:08
  readers
• 52:09
  purchase
• 52:09
  your
• 52:09
  book?
• 52:11
  Yeah.
• 52:11
  I
• 52:12
  think
• 52:12
  the
• 52:12
  most
• 52:13
  common
• 52:13
  response
• 52:14
  when
• 52:14
  I've
• 52:14
  read
• 52:14
  my
• 52:15
  book
• 52:15
  to
• 52:16
  friends
• 52:16
  and
• 52:16
  family
• 52:17
  has
• 52:17
  been,
• 52:18
  oh,
• 52:19
  like,
• 52:19
  they're
• 52:20
  like,
• 52:20
  I
• 52:21
  felt
• 52:21
  that
• 52:21
  even
• 52:22
  my
• 52:22
  mom,
• 52:22
  who
• 52:22
  I
• 52:23
  think
• 52:23
  didn't
• 52:23
  know
• 52:23
  what
• 52:23
  to
• 52:24
  do
• 52:24
  with
• 52:24
  all
• 52:24
  my
• 52:24
  big
• 52:24
  feelings
• 52:25
  when
• 52:25
  I
• 52:25
  was
• 52:25
  little,
• 52:26
  she
• 52:26
  said,
• 52:26
  I
• 52:26
  felt
• 52:27
  those
• 52:27
  things.
• 52:28
  And
• 52:28
  my
• 52:28
  hope
• 52:29
  would
• 52:29
  be
• 52:29
  that
• 52:30
  anyone
• 52:30
  who
• 52:30
  reads
• 52:30
  this
• 52:30
  book
• 52:31
  would
• 52:31
  feel
• 52:31
  seen
• 52:32
  and
• 52:32
  understood
• 52:33
  a
• 52:33
  little
• 52:33
  bit
• 52:34
  better,
• 52:34
  which
• 52:34
  I
• 52:34
  think
• 52:35
  has
• 52:35
  to
• 52:35
  be
• 52:36
  a
• 52:36
  positive
• 52:36
  thing
• 52:36
  for
• 52:37
  our
• 52:37
  world
• 52:37
  today.
• 52:38
  Absolutely.
• 52:39
  I've
• 52:39
  had
• 52:40
  several
• 52:41
  children's
• 52:41
  book
• 52:41
  authors
• 52:42
  tell
• 52:42
  me
• 52:42
  that
• 52:43
  after
• 52:43
  they've
• 52:44
  done
• 52:44
  a
• 52:44
  book
• 52:45
  reading,
• 52:46
  and
• 52:46
  if
• 52:46
  there's
• 52:47
  adults
• 52:47
  in
• 52:47
  the
• 52:47
  room
• 52:48
  with
• 52:48
  the
• 52:49
  children,
• 52:49
  a
• 52:50
  lot
• 52:50
  of
• 52:50
  times
• 52:50
  they've
• 52:51
  got
• 52:51
  these
• 52:51
  adults
• 52:52
  coming
• 52:52
  to
• 52:53
  them
• 52:53
  after
• 52:54
  and
• 52:54
  saying,
• 52:56
  that's
• 52:56
  me,
• 52:56
  that's
• 52:57
  me.
• 52:57
  That's
• 52:57
  who.
• 52:58
  That's
• 52:58
  how
• 52:58
  I
• 52:58
  felt.
• 52:59
  And
• 53:00
  it's
• 53:00
  incredible
• 53:01
  how
• 53:02
  a
• 53:02
  children's
• 53:03
  book
• 53:03
  just
• 53:04
  doesn't
• 53:04
  impact
• 53:05
  a
• 53:05
  child
• 53:06
  because
• 53:06
  all
• 53:06
  of
• 53:07
  us
• 53:07
  still
• 53:07
  have
• 53:07
  our
• 53:07
  childhood
• 53:09
  memories.
• 53:10
  When
• 53:10
  a
• 53:10
  children's
• 53:11
  book
• 53:11
  is
• 53:12
  read
• 53:12
  aloud
• 53:12
  or
• 53:13
  they
• 53:13
  read
• 53:13
  a
• 53:13
  children's
• 53:14
  book,
• 53:14
  which
• 53:15
  a
• 53:15
  lot
• 53:15
  of
• 53:15
  people
• 53:15
  don't
• 53:16
  do
• 53:16
  very
• 53:17
  much
• 53:17
  in
• 53:17
  their
• 53:17
  lives
• 53:18
  unless
• 53:18
  you
• 53:18
  have
• 53:19
  grandchildren
• 53:19
  or
• 53:20
  children.
• 53:21
  Pretty
• 53:21
  incredible
• 53:22
  when
• 53:22
  all
• 53:22
  of
• 53:22
  a
• 53:22
  sudden
• 53:23
  you
• 53:23
  do
• 53:23
  a
• 53:23
  book
• 53:24
  reading
• 53:25
  and
• 53:25
  adults
• 53:26
  come
• 53:26
  up
• 53:26
  to
• 53:26
  you
• 53:26
  and
• 53:26
  say,
• 53:27
  oh
• 53:27
  my
• 53:27
  goodness,
• 53:28
  that's
• 53:29
  me.
• 53:29
  Or
• 53:30
  I
• 53:30
  have
• 53:30
  those
• 53:31
  feelings.
• 53:31
  So
• 53:32
  good
• 53:33
  for
• 53:33
  you.
• 53:33
  Definitely.
• 53:34
  There's
• 53:34
  never
• 53:35
  too
• 53:35
  many
• 53:35
  books
• 53:35
  out
• 53:36
  there.
• 53:36
  Everybody
• 53:37
  has
• 53:37
  a
• 53:37
  little
• 53:37
  spot
• 53:38
  to
• 53:39
  share
• 53:39
  themselves.
• 53:40
  Final
• 53:40
  Thoughts
• 53:41
  Joy,
• 53:41
  is
• 53:42
  there
• 53:42
  something
• 53:42
  you'd
• 53:43
  like
• 53:43
  to
• 53:43
  share?
• 53:44
  Or
• 53:44
  you
• 53:44
  said,
• 53:44
  geez,
• 53:45
  I
• 53:45
  wish
• 53:45
  Rick
• 53:45
  would
• 53:45
  ask
• 53:46
  me
• 53:46
  that
• 53:46
  question.
• 53:47
  Final
• 53:48
  Thoughts
• 53:49
  I
• 53:49
  appreciate
• 53:50
  you
• 53:51
  having
• 53:51
  me
• 53:51
  here.
• 53:52
  It's
• 53:52
  exciting
• 53:53
  to
• 53:54
  share
• 53:54
  in
• 53:54
  a
• 53:55
  little
• 53:55
  different
• 53:55
  way
• 53:56
  about
• 53:56
  my
• 53:57
  book
• 53:57
  with
• 53:57
  someone
• 53:58
  I
• 53:58
  hadn't
• 53:58
  met
• 53:59
  before
• 53:59
  now.
• 53:59
  So
• 54:00
  thank
• 54:00
  you
• 54:00
  for
• 54:00
  that.
• 54:01
  You're
• 54:01
  welcome.
• 54:01
  And
• 54:02
  I'm
• 54:02
  just,
• 54:04
  I
• 54:04
  really
• 54:04
  do.
• 54:05
  Even
• 54:05
  though
• 54:05
  it's
• 54:05
  hard
• 54:05
  for
• 54:06
  me
• 54:06
  to
• 54:06
  put
• 54:06
  myself
• 54:06
  out
• 54:07
  there,
• 54:07
  it's
• 54:07
  hard
• 54:07
  for
• 54:07
  me
• 54:08
  to
• 54:08
  advertise
• 54:08
  myself.
• 54:09
  It's
• 54:09
  not
• 54:09
  a
• 54:09
  priority,
• 54:10
  which
• 54:11
  is
• 54:11
  hard
• 54:11
  when
• 54:12
  you're
• 54:12
  trying
• 54:12
  to
• 54:12
  market
• 54:13
  your
• 54:13
  book.
• 54:13
  You're
• 54:14
  doing
• 54:14
  a
• 54:14
  good
• 54:14
  job.
• 54:15
  I
• 54:16
  do
• 54:16
  think
• 54:16
  it's
• 54:16
  an
• 54:17
  important
• 54:17
  thing
• 54:18
  and
• 54:18
  I
• 54:18
  think
• 54:18
  we
• 54:19
  all
• 54:20
  could
• 54:20
  get
• 54:20
  a
• 54:20
  little
• 54:21
  more
• 54:21
  squishy
• 54:22
  with
• 54:22
  our
• 54:22
  emotions
• 54:23
  and
• 54:23
  in
• 54:24
  this
• 54:24
  time
• 54:24
  where
• 54:24
  it's
• 54:25
  hard
• 54:25
  to
• 54:26
  feel
• 54:27
  human
• 54:28
  sometimes.
• 54:29
  So
• 54:29
  yeah,
• 54:31
  I
• 54:31
  think
• 54:31
  it's
• 54:32
  a
• 54:32
  good
• 54:32
  time
• 54:32
  for
• 54:32
  this
• 54:33
  story.
• 54:33
  Hopefully
• 54:33
  you'll
• 54:34
  check
• 54:34
  it
• 54:34
  out.
• 54:34
  Joy,
• 54:35
  thank
• 54:35
  you
• 54:35
  so
• 54:35
  much
• 54:36
  for
• 54:36
  being
• 54:36
  a
• 54:37
  guest
• 54:37
  on
• 54:37
  the
• 54:37
  Adventures
• 54:38
  in
• 54:38
  the
• 54:38
  Heart
• 54:38
  of
• 54:39
  Children's
• 54:39
  Book
• 54:39
  Authors
• 54:40
  Podcast.
• 54:40
  Your
• 54:41
  generosity
• 54:42
  of
• 54:42
  time
• 54:42
  and
• 54:43
  insights,
• 54:44
  some
• 54:44
  of
• 54:44
  the
• 54:44
  neat
• 54:45
  little
• 54:45
  things
• 54:45
  that
• 54:45
  you're
• 54:45
  doing
• 54:46
  with
• 54:46
  will
• 54:46
  definitely
• 54:47
  significantly
• 54:48
  benefit
• 54:48
  aspiring
• 54:49
  authors
• 54:50
  and
• 54:50
  readers,
• 54:51
  and
• 54:51
  we
• 54:51
  promise
• 54:52
  to
• 54:52
  provide
• 54:52
  our
• 54:52
  audience
• 54:54
  with
• 54:54
  links
• 54:54
  to
• 54:55
  all
• 54:55
  of
• 54:56
  Joy's
• 54:56
  social
• 54:57
  media,
• 54:57
  all
• 54:58
  the
• 54:58
  links
• 54:59
  that
• 54:59
  she
• 54:59
  mentioned
• 54:59
  today,
• 55:00
  her
• 55:00
  website,
• 55:01
  and
• 55:01
  her
• 55:01
  book.
• 55:02
  And
• 55:02
  if
• 55:02
  you've
• 55:02
  enjoyed
• 55:03
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• 55:13
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• 55:13
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• 55:14
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• 55:14
  about
• 55:15
  Joy
• 55:15
  and
• 55:15
  her
• 55:16
  children's
• 55:16
  book,
• 55:17
  Big
• 55:18
  the
• 55:19
  Diary
• 55:19
  of
• 55:20
  a
• 55:20
  Passionate
• 55:21
  Kitty.
• 55:22
  Thank
• 55:22
  you,
• 55:22
  Rick.
• 55:23
  Thank
• 55:23
  you
• 55:23
  so
• 55:24
  much.