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The Frightening Parallels Between the USA and the USSR w/ Julie Behling · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Wholehouse. When we look around in America right now and ask ourselves, what on earth happened to this country? There's degeneracy everywhere, Hollywood, the music industry, etc. The kids are being indoctrinated, the elections are being messed with.
• 0:19
  There it just the list just goes on endlessly. And we can point a lot of places to figure out who the culprit is. Is it the bankers? Or is it the Soviets or whoever you want to point at? But my guest today, her name is Julia Beeling.
• 0:36
  She was actually a missionary over in Russia just after the Soviet Union collapsed. And she saw a lot of the trends over there, and how the communists had infiltrated into the society and the churches to control things. And she's seeing the same exact things happening here in America. And so when she's looking to identify this enemy, she's using these principles and this knowledge she has of understanding communism, and its cultural changes that it makes to really take people away from God and bring people into this atheistic society where they can be controlled. But there's also some very important lessons from what happens to faith and religion in a society like that, and what happens after it falls.
• 1:16
  And her experience of being a missionary shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union taught her a lot actually. And so she's got an incredible documentary coming out in January. And she's also got a book about this as well. So folks will be a very important and fascinating interview to understand what's happening here in America and how does it relate to what happened in The Soviet Union? So folks, please enjoy this interview with my guest, Julia Beeling.
• 1:43
  Julie, thank you so much for joining us today. It's great to have you on the show.
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much. I appreciate it.
• 1:50
  Seth Holehouse: So I don't love communism. But I love talking about communism. I love exposing communism. I love helping, especially my fellow Americans understand just how real the threat of communism is. And that's something that's central to your work.
• 2:08
  So we're gonna talk about your your book, upcoming movie, and also some of your background. So why don't you just give us a brief introduction of yourself, especially your history over in Russia and your missionary work over there, and how that's led into your most recent project of sheep beneath beneath sheep's clothing.
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So in the late 90s, I was a missionary in Russia for a year and a half. And it was definitely an eye opening experience living in a post communist society just a few years after the collapse of the Soviet Union. And then after that, I well, I'll I'll talk about that a little bit more a little bit later. But I came back to The US.
• 2:46
  I got a dual master's in Russian language and literature and Russian and East European studies. And I wrote my master's thesis on underground Christian movements in the Soviet Union and their survival tactics and the tactics of the Soviet state to try to dismantle Christianity. And kind of what piqued my interest in that was when I was a missionary, one of the things that surprised me the most, I mean, I was expecting to to come across a lot more atheists than I did. I out of everyone I spoke with and asked if they believed in God, which was a lot of people every day for a year and a half, I'm estimating about 1,000 people. I only met one person who said they were atheist.
• 3:25
  And this was again just a few years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, which was a militant atheist atheistic society. So everyone else either said they did believe in God or that they were open to it. And that really surprised me. And then I had met a few people when I was there as a missionary who they they were like their depth of faith was insane, like nothing I've ever seen before. I met this Seventh day Adventist family.
• 3:52
  And their grandmother was just this, I mean, seriously powerhouse, spiritual powerhouse. And I came back and I learned that there had been some underground Christian movements in the Soviet Union. And I, I researched it and I delved into it more in graduate school again with my thesis. And it was again changed my life learning about what Christians in the Soviet Union went through in order to exercise and practice the faith according to their own conscience. It was heartbreaking.
• 4:18
  And I feel like I learned some lessons from what they experienced. I felt like I learned some lessons for America's Christians. So that's kind of the genesis of, of the book and the documentary.
• 4:31
  Seth Holehouse: So let's go ahead and I'm gonna play the trailer for the documentary, and then that will help just set the stage for, you know, where we're going next from there. Sound good?
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: So here's the thing about communism. When it comes knocking at your door, it doesn't say, hi. I'm here to impoverish, enslave, and murder you. It says, I'm here to liberate you from oppression.
• 4:59
  Speaker 3: I thought of myself as a happy kid. I was going to school. I was playing. And I had no idea that I was being brainwashed.
• 5:32
  Speaker 4: America was the major impediment to the spread of this disease. They knew right from the start that America could not be taken from the outside. It had to be taken from the inside.
• 5:47
  Speaker 5: They infiltrated America's media and education.
• 5:52
  Speaker 6: They said the ultimate objective of having government school was to destroy Christianity. Those were his words. But, unfortunately, we have utterly red washed education, so we don't know what creeping communism looks like.
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: I don't like the idea of teaching children that they're victims. I wanna have control.
• 6:12
  Speaker 7: So we're undermining the family unit by saying that it's destructive to have any sort of heteronormative society. Just affirm it or else we're gonna take your kids away.
• 6:26
  Speaker 8: And they say, well, no. That's not communism. It's it's Democrat socialism. It's just dog do. Put sprinkles on top of it.
• 6:32
  It's the same thing.
• 6:33
  Speaker 5: It was probably the most extreme version of communism. They separated children from their parents. If you ever wanna take over a country, you you indoctrinate the children. I just can't sit here and do nothing. This is the hill I'm gonna die on.
• 6:48
  Speaker 9: They say that that's why we will take you to prison because you're teaching your children about God and you don't follow our indoctrination. Just
• 7:02
  Speaker 5: like in The Soviet Union, in America, we have seen heavy attacks on fringe Christian groups.
• 7:09
  Speaker 10: And I hate to use that phrase, the final solution, because that's what Hitler's Germany used for the justify the killing of all the Jews. But that's what they called it.
• 7:24
  Speaker 5: Overall, there were seventy six deaths of men, women, and children.
• 7:29
  Speaker 4: And the real target is mainstream Christianity. But by attacking the fringes, you intimidate everybody else.
• 7:40
  Speaker 5: The Soviet infiltrated the mainstream churches.
• 7:45
  Speaker 11: All their the top clergy, yes, they are working for the government. And even some of them is appointed by the government.
• 7:55
  Speaker 5: So the KGB agents would go into his church and
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: then rise up.
• 7:58
  Speaker 6: This right, all
• 7:59
  Speaker 11: of them is infiltrated.
• 8:06
  Speaker 5: Similarly, America's America's churches have been infiltrated.
• 8:10
  Speaker 4: So the American communist started infiltrating the churches right from the start. There
• 8:17
  Speaker 6: are ravening wolves in sheep's clothing all over the place. They agree with Mark. So religion is the opiate of the masses, and the masses are gonna need some opium because they're gonna get put through some unpleasant experiences. Their liberty is going to be taken away from them.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: What can we do? You know, get involved. Do what you can. There is no time for complacency.
• 8:42
  Speaker 4: We're only gonna be saved by telling the truth. Telling the truth takes courage. Courage is proof of faith.
• 9:00
  Seth Holehouse: Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey, buy this gold, buy this silver.
• 9:15
  Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 02/2023, the average family home is just over $400,000.
• 9:32
  So you have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No. It's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right?
• 9:42
  When people talk about the collapse the dollar or inflation, this is what it means. Now let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins. So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now, if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside.
• 10:06
  If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today. What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home? No, you can't even buy a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1 ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today.
• 10:32
  And this is the key lesson about precious metals. It's not about getting rich. It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now we're in the end days of the dollar. And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the 1930s, we're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations.
• 11:11
  Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome. It's still around. It's an asset that will forever have its value. So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than Doctor. Kirk Elliott.
• 11:25
  He's a very good friend of mine. He's a strong Christian patriot, and he's out to really help people to protect their savings and what you've worked for against the destruction of the dollar, not to mention also protecting it against the dangers of a central bank digital currencies. So to learn more about this, go to goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, that's goldwithseth.com or (720) 605-3900. Both those places will allow you to set up a quick appointment where you can talk to a wealth advisor that will help get you started on this path.
• 12:00
  Again, goldwithseth.com 7 2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero. What a powerful trailer. Extremely well done. I'm excited to see it. So from what I gather, the theme of the trailer, the documentary and the book is exposing how communism takes over the culture to control the people and bring in communism and the similarities between The USSR, Soviet Union and modern day America.
• 12:36
  So walk us through some of that.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I was looking for my for my master's thesis, thesis, which came first. I was looking at the tactics of the Soviet state to try to dismantle Christianity and the tactics of the underground Christians to just survive. And in the process, yeah, I discovered the play the playbook that the communists used to try to destroy Christianity. We've got propaganda. We've got persecute the fringes.
• 13:06
  So the Soviets actually initially, like in the early twentieth century, they were persecuting all Christians, especially the Orthodox, the Russian Orthodox Church. They were rounding up clergy. They were putting them in prison. They were executing them. And it actually brought a lot of underground activity.
• 13:25
  They they realized that it was backfiring. So after World War two, the Soviets retooled their tactics, and they decided, okay. Instead of persecuting all Christians, we're gonna focus we're just gonna keep persecuting the cults, the the Christians on the fringes that everyone considers to be cults. And in The Soviet Union, was Baptists, Pentecostals, Seventh day Adventists, and Jehovah's Witnesses who were unregistered with the government. They were like you'd see Baptist choirmaster a Baptist choirmaster go to the gulag for five years just for being a Baptist choirmaster of the dissident underground Baptists.
• 13:58
  You'd see, a parent teaching their kid to pray the government would come and remove their children and put them forcibly and put them in state run orphanages. You would see Christians put forcibly in psychiatric prison hospitals to be cured of their delusions of God and treated forcibly with psychotropic drugs. You would see the anti Pentecostal, Seventh day Adventists, anti Baptist documentaries and films put out by the Soviets to to tell how abusive they were to their children. So that was the day that was their tactic to, again, persecute the fringes. And then it was the infiltration of the churches.
• 14:38
  They literally sent KGB agents into the posing as clergy to to control the churches from within.
• 14:44
  Seth Holehouse: So I wanna talk about the persecution of the fringes. So I've studied a lot more of communism under the Chinese Communist Party. The union was involved in a lot of human rights work with China and under the CCP. And one thing that I learned about their tactics is this ninety five five, you know, strategy. Which is really that at any given point, there's always 5% of the population being persecuted, and that keeps the other 95% in line.
• 15:12
  And so they they take this the 5% group. So whether it was house Christians, the Uighur Muslims, the Falun Gong, and they would persecute them so heavily that the rest of that population would say, gosh, like, I'm so glad I'm not one of them, and thank goodness it's not me, but I'm but it keeps that tension where everyone knows that you might just become part of that group. And so with that, with the persecution of the fringes, how do you see that manifesting here in America?
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, it's getting more obvious now. Because conservative Christians are now being lumped into the, you know, this group of being dangerous extremists with this Christian nationalism thing that's going on. But looking back a little further, what actually initially caught my attention of even looking into the Soviet tactics against religion occurring in America was in 02/2008 when the FLDS, the fundamentalist Mormons in Texas had their children rounded up. Well, first of all, they had they had tanks and snipers.
• 16:16
  There was a raid on their premises. They were a peaceful group. There was no evidence. It was also a hoax call that called on the raid. And then even in the absence of any kind of evidence of abuse that these children were in danger of imminent abuse, they they removed all 400 children, put them in state run care, and they had to give them back after a few months because it was an egregious overstepping there.
• 16:42
  That was one instance, but everything out of everything I researched for my book that that disturbed me the most. It was what happened in 1993 with the Branch Davidians. And again, I don't subscribe personally to the views of Branch Davidians or FLDS, but that's beside the point. It's about due process here. And what happened with the Branch Davidians is so utterly egregious.
• 17:05
  It actually goes beyond in some in some ways what the Soviets did to their Christians. And there's the forensic evidence shows that in some cases, the Branch Davidians were murdered by government agents. And it was totally insane.
• 17:23
  Seth Holehouse: And which you which specific give more details of that with the Branch Davidians what happened in that situation?
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's I have a whole chapter in my book, and it goes into those details. But essentially, the Branch Davidians, they were they're an offshoot of the Seventh day Adventists. David Koresh was their leader. They were a separatist group. They kind of and they lived communally in a place called Mount Carmel, a place they built themselves.
• 17:50
  They they had a lot of similar views with Seventh day Adventists, but David Koresh had a view that he was supposed to father some special children that would have a special role on the earth. And in doing so, he he had several wives that he can several women that he considered to be his wives, and some of them were on the young side. And yeah, that can be problematic. But what happened then is the possible charge, it could have been statutory rape against David Koresh. It then got twisted into their beating babies.
• 18:21
  Their children are being beaten and abused. There's no there was no evidence of that. The CPS had gone in and looked and there was absolutely no evidence of that. And then there was drug charges cooked up against them so that they could justify sending it in the military. And they came, they trained for a whole month.
• 18:40
  They built a full size replica of Mount Carmel at Fort Hood in Texas, and they trained to do this dynamic entry. They had helicopters with machine guns. They had, you know, just I can't remember how many, you know, something like 70 troops there of ATF agents. And they the evidence, they actually don't know who shot first, but most all of the bullet holes through the door were going in. And there were four Branch Davidians killed that at that initial raid.
• 19:12
  I mean, it's hard to go into all the detail here, but essentially, the Branch Davidians were terrified. They had been there were bullet holes through their ceiling from the machine guns, from the helicopters. And there were there was a woman who was shot in the chest while she was nursing her baby just in her room. There was an elderly man shot and killed just eating his toast for breakfast in his room. Did that during that initial raid, there was that siege for upwards of a month and a half.
• 19:39
  And then the final solution where they gassed, they put CS gas, pumped it in for six hours. It's actually illegal to do that in a war, but they did that against the mostly American citizens. They knew there was no gas masks for the children. The exits to the building had been destroyed with the tanks ramming through, and then it it caught on fire. They don't know.
• 20:02
  It wasn't able to be determined definitively how the fire started, although it was windy and CS gas is highly flammable. And then at the the one exit at the back of the building, the forensic evidence shows that there were two people with with automatic fire semiautomatic fire. Excuse me. And then there were the bodies of 15 Branch Davidians found killed by gunshot wound at the only exit viable exit of the building. And there's more, but that's the nutshell.
• 20:34
  Seth Holehouse: And so you mentioned the what's happening now with with the lump the lumping of, you know, really a just your typical Christian that believes in more conservative values is now being thrown into this, you know, this the same bucket as say, some, you know, ultra right skinhead, you know, Christian, you know, cleanse the earth of anything but the whites, you know, that they're lumping them all together. And so that and I can see that you can absolutely see that. And so what are some other indicators? What are some of the things that you're seeing though? So you talked about so that right here, you have the persecution of the fringes, right?
• 21:15
  So what are some other major things that you're seeing that show the playbook that was used in The Soviet Union is the playbook that's being used here in America?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Right? Well, I was I was very shocked and dismayed when I looked. And I found very easily when I was writing most of my book over a decade ago that America's Christian churches had been infiltrated with communists from the top down beginning over a century ago, funded by some of the wealthiest players with names that most people would recognize. One of them begins with an R. Wealthy monopolist monopoly capitalists back in the day funding the communist infiltration of America's churches and the the organization, the National Council of Churches, which served, to water down the Christian faith, replace an the the teaching of an individual relationship with God and that Jesus can atone for our sins, and replace that with with social justice as the main impetus.
• 22:17
  And then there's we have black liberation theology. Liberation theology is how communism spread in Latin America, where they use the Catholic priests to bring communism. And black liberation theology is just the same thing, but with through the very sadly. And then now we're to the point where the evangelical churches have been infiltrated from the top down over the last decade. And then we have the woke stuff now being spread through the churches.
• 22:47
  And it's it's a real problem. There there's more. But wait, there's more. But anyways yeah.
• 22:52
  Seth Holehouse: And what do you see as the end goal of this? Because it's you know, let's just say the average American watches this show and and or or is talking to one of us in a cafe and you say, hey, look, you know, there's this is communist infiltration and it was what's happening in the churches. And I think a lot of people would say, well, that's probably not good. And I think the communists are probably bad. And depending on how old they are, maybe if they're younger, they're like, okay, great.
• 23:17
  You know, go go Marx. But I think that that there's a disconnect and there's a normalcy bias with a lot of people in America that's been taken advantage of greatly that we America is a great nation that will never fall. We don't believe that we're capable of falling. It's like, oh, Rome, Rome fell, but that was for different reasons. America won't fall.
• 23:38
  Have this idea that life will just continue in America. And if you look at what Russia was like, or what China was like before this communist specter took over, they probably thought the same. So I think it's helpful in this discussion with people to say, No, this is what life would look like in America. This is what the end goal looks like. This is how your life will be changed.
• 24:00
  And so if someone were to ask you, what's life like in America if the communists succeed in fully taking over? What is it like? And how long is it? How how far away is that?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Well, Chinese China is the model. And so and it look it looks like, you know, absolute control over one's life. And yeah. And so China is kind of a now it's like a communist fascist hybrid because having a pure like the economy, the communist economy thing did not work out very well for the Soviet Union. That's one of the main reasons they collapsed.
• 24:32
  And so with China, they're like, okay, we're gonna we have to do a little bit more here to get the money, the economy thing figured out. So we have this fascist connection there as well. But now we also have the control capabilities of twenty first century technology. And so you have the Chinese people locked into their their little areas. And, you know, to even like leave their homes and their premises, they have to like scan their their retinas have to be scanned.
• 24:57
  If they have a bad social credit score, maybe they won't be able to actually not. Maybe they can't travel. You can't buy a plane ticket or a train ticket if you have a poor social credit score. If you say the wrong things, they publicly shame you. You must carry your phone with you everywhere you go in China.
• 25:14
  And if someone is if you're walking and somewhere close to someone with a bad social credit score, someone with the wrong views, a dissident, other people will get a warning on their phone to to stay away. So and we saw what happened with COVID in China. We saw that they were forcibly taking people to these like one person in an apartment building would test positive for COVID. And they were like testing them. I talked to a man who escaped China A Year And A Half ago.
• 25:41
  I talked to him this weekend at an event I was at. He told me what he went through. He said that sometimes it was up to seven times a day. They had to go and get the swab up the nose to be tested. If one person was positive, the whole building would be evacuated with thirty minutes notice off ten hours on a bus, no bathroom break, no water off to the to the isolation quarantine camps.
• 26:04
  If you had a pet, you know, they take your pet and put, you know, put it in a bag and bang it over the head and kill it because they didn't want it to be a vector. I mean, really absolute horror and control. And we know what happens with dissidents in China. They get sent off to the labor camps. I'm sorry, but that's that's what their model is.
• 26:20
  But I but there is good news that we are not that yet. And there are enough people in America, I truly believe that are normal people that just want freedom, that if we have a mass awakening right now, that we don't have to go to that full implementation of these agendas. We can stop it if enough Christians, if enough people of of who care about freedom, if enough parents who realize their children are in these schools and they something is not right there and they need to perhaps homeschool. We can stop this from going to that full execution of their agenda.
• 26:57
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• 28:18
  And I agree, you know, by the way. I mean, if you look at the Soviet Union or happening in Cuba or China, propaganda was such an important tool. They had to control the minds of the masses to control the masses. But it's America, we have such independence with our thinking that we reject that. And obviously, there's been some small part of the the, you know, of the population that's really kind of bought it hook line and sinker.
• 28:44
  But I even saw recently a poll where I think it was for people 30 in the polling for presidential polling for 2024, that Trump was like greatly ahead of Biden for people that were 30, which is interesting because it's it's, you know, the the left and democrats, they have a lot more of the communist principles to, you know, to their overall political platform, and a lot more of the youth has been indoctrinated to become very liberal in their thinking. So the fact that actually that even with the below 30 years old, that Trump is like greatly leading in the polls, it shows me that even the younger generations, there's still hope. There's still hope they're not just going to follow what they're really woke teacher tells them. So how can we do this better in America? How can we get more people to see this for what it is and to reject it?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I focus on aspects of culture that that we have more control over education and churches. What schools do we send our children to? How do we you know, what churches do we associate with and who do we listen to in terms of as religious leaders? I don't feel like I have control over what they do in Washington, at least not directly. But where I send my son to school and, you know, my faith community, I have much more control over that.
• 29:58
  So for for me, I'm homeschooling my son. I have a nine year old, and he had been in schools. In fact, I had to put him back in school to finish writing my book about the communist takeover of education, the two chapters. It's very ironic. The teachers at his school were great.
• 30:15
  But the thing is they have these social and emotional learning curriculum they have to use. And that social and emotional learning curriculum, it's designed to very slowly, very in a very crafty way, remove Judeo Christian ethics as the foundational ideology and replace it with woke Marxism. So we need to either if we have no choice to put our kids in school, I mean, I think there are choices. We need communities to come together and make micro schools and help people out. But we also need to be talking to our children and about these agendas.
• 30:44
  My film, it's not appropriate for it's not going to be appropriate beneath cheap clothing for young kids. But I would say for sure, 14 and up, maybe even a little younger so they can see what this playbook looks like. But homeschooling, really deprogramming our children. And then as far as as far as what to do about the churches, I mean, we need to educate our pastors. And I think the vast majority of pastors and clergy are really well meaning, really great people.
• 31:16
  And there's there's just a few bad apples in whichever given church that are pushing these Marxist agendas. And we need to wake up the pastors. There are vast numbers of pastors waking up now. But we need to we need to have our individual connection with God. And that's really crucial as well for people who are believers.
• 31:38
  Seth Holehouse: And for someone that's going to church and say that they've gone to the same church for, you know, last ten years, and let's just say it's nondenominational, which for conversation sake, what are the what are the telltale signs that that church has actually been taken over or is being led down a a path that's communist? Like, what are the you know, obviously, I'd say if they have a LG, you know, LGBTQ CIA plus flag flying up the front of the church, that might be an indicator. Right? But what are some things that people should look for? And if they see those signs, what should they do?
• 32:14
  Because I think this is a big a big aspect of this is just the people that are going to church, and they don't want to offend their pastor, they don't want to look bad in front of their other folks that their friends and family that are attending. So how can we attack that? And what should we look forward? And how should they act?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Well, there's there's several different levels. So when there is there are a number of churches who have been infiltrated starting over one hundred years ago. And it was that they tried to replace that individual connection with God again with this social gospel, with social justice activism. So if a church is pushing social justice activism, there was actually a book written by one of these infiltrators about the six sins of social injustice. This was many decades ago.
• 33:02
  If the if your church's focus is on critical race theory and social justice work instead of your own connection with God, that's a red flag. If a church is pushing progressive agendas, that's a red flag. If, if it's, I don't call, then there's there's the the more subtle, there's the churches that are like, we're not going to talk out politically because we don't want to lose our five zero one(three) status. So we're just going to we're not going to say anything that might offend anyone politically. There's that.
• 33:36
  Then there's the sorry, the COVID control measures that it was actually the NIH that went to the leaders of the major denominations and asked them to encourage their flocks to get the COVID jab, to encourage them to mask. And if the pastors would not go up at the pulpit and say, get the jab, they said, at least take a picture of you getting it and distribute that. And so that was undue government influence. Then we have this stuff going on with the FBI and the Catholic the conservative Catholics. Then there's in a whole other level with there's there's so many levels to this.
• 34:10
  Then there's the one world religion that the UN is seeking to establish, the one world religion of equity, diversity, and sustainability. And there are some red flags for that as well.
• 34:21
  Seth Holehouse: I mean, we just saw recently that the Pope is now officially making announcement about blessing same sex marriages, which is significant for Catholics. One question that I I do have with this, and I've interviewed a lot of different experts on China and communism, and it's always, I think, important to try to understand this particular thing is that when you look at the history of the infiltration of the communist into America, a lot of it initially points to the KGB and the the Soviets, and there was a massive infiltration. And then you have the the Chinese Communist Party, right, that's also playing well. And then you have the globalists that are in certain ways, think controlling the communist, but also I look at like the CCP, for instance, as Frankenstein's monster. You know, you can trace the founding of the CCP back to Mao, back to Yale.
• 35:10
  Right? So, you know, Mao got a lot of his, you know, start by the Yale in China program, which gave him a building to use. They they they, like, helped really get communism off its feet in China, which so that you make those connections. But in terms of the modern day, in terms of right now, the Soviet Union fell. There are certain experts that say, look, it was a feigned collapse, and communism behind closed doors is alive and well in Russia.
• 35:35
  And it's actually one of our greatest threats still. Don't be deceived by the, you know, kind of the perception of this modern Christian, you know, the kind of nationalistic Russian society. Obviously, we have the CCP, who I think is behind a lot of things. But when you're looking at these communist activities, this infiltration, this subversion that's happening in America, who do you see as being the main players behind it in modern day America?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you always have to look at the money. And and, I mean, going back historically, was again Rockefeller Foundation, Carnegie Foundation, big business. They also funded the Bolshevik revolution, big business in America and also Germany funded the Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution. Very concerning. As far as today, I mean, there is the World Economic Forum.
• 36:28
  That's very concerning. There's United Nations now. Are there people behind them causing them to do those things? Probably. But really and truly, you you just look for these red flags, a centralization of power.
• 36:44
  You know, it's not just communism that has the centralization of power. It's all the authoritarian forms of government. We should any centralization of power should be a red flag that, no, we're not going to do that. So whether they're explicitly communist or not. So the United Nations, for sure, World Economic Forum, for sure, we don't we don't want anything to do.
• 37:07
  We should not want anything to do with them. And like Senator Mike Lee, one of my Utah senators, is trying to actually defund our cut us off from the UN now. Get our government stopping to fund UN and to cooperate with the UN. And I totally agree with that. There are a certain number of avowed communists and communist operatives operating in America, and that's not the majority.
• 37:36
  That's only a small percentage. The next level, it's kind of a pyramid. I talk about the five types of communist enablers. The top is the moneybags. Next level, the avowed communists.
• 37:46
  Those are the smallest groups. The next level down is much bigger. It's the leftists and progressives. They actually don't believe that they are supporting communism. Communists they don't actually agree with communism, but they agree with some of the things that the avowed communists are doing.
• 38:02
  So they link arms for those agendas, but they are enabling the the communist agendas in the process. The next level down is the largest group. Yeah. Then we have the dupes, the people that fall for the nice sounding promises. And that's where we come in.
• 38:15
  Let's not be dupes here. Let's not fall for this, oh, this equitable society that is gonna, you know, we're gonna make it equitable for everyone. Equity means equal outcomes for everyone. And that's only possible if there's some higher force in charge taking from the people who have more forcibly to give to people who have less. The level one dupes are communist enablers.
• 38:41
  And they don't know that. They don't know that they are helping bring communism, and we need to educate. Then then one more level down, there's those are the level one dupes. The level two dupes, as I call them, are the people who see and smell something is wrong, but they're too scared to speak out. They don't wanna be canceled.
• 38:57
  They are also enabling the common communist agenda. So let's not be any of those categories. Let's get educated, and let's speak the truth boldly, and and let's stop this agenda in its tracks before it becomes full fledged.
• 39:12
  Seth Holehouse: Folks, have a quick message for you. Look, the twenty twenty four election is do or die for the globalist and communists that had infiltrated our country and are currently running it. And they either have to win or they're gonna destroy America so nothing is left either way. And if you're the person that's watching this show and following this information, unfortunately, you have the weight on your shoulders of making sure that your family is prepared, as we head in to this next year in this next election cycle because unfortunately, I think it's gonna get rough. And one of the ways I know they're going to target us is through our food supply.
• 39:45
  You can see all the food factories burned down, you can see the warnings of coming famines and food shortages and everything like that. And food is one of the number one ways totalitarian regimes have always used to control the populations destroy the food supply. So if you don't have at least two, three, four, five, six months worth of stored food, I highly recommend you take that very seriously. Because look, as I mentioned, if you're the person that's watching this, you're the person that carries the burden of making sure your family is prepared. I would recommend at least six months, if not a year of storable food.
• 40:17
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• 41:00
  So going back to your missionary work in the post Soviet Union, I imagine that that was the society then was still very much controlled by the habits and perceptions and lifestyles living under communism. And obviously, that time of your life made an impact now that you've you've kind of dedicated a large part of your life afterwards to this kind of work. Were there any particular interactions or any particular memories that you have of being a missionary over there that have played a powerful role in guiding what you're doing today and stuck with you?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, seeing the amount of poverty that I saw, when I was there, the average monthly income of a Russian was $30 a month. And, of course, the cost of living was much less at that time in Russia. But people and people had to have garden plots to grow their own food or else they they would be malnourished. I was also there when the ruble collapsed. The ruble was devalued in 1998.
• 42:06
  And there were I had friends, missionary friends in some small towns that had to eat just buckwheat groats for two weeks. The bread factory shut down, the bakery shut down, like people couldn't get their foods. I remember waiting in line for a few hours for a little bag of white flour and some butter. And I really had this very strong impression someday this could happen in America, only there would be blood in the streets. And so for me, I've actually one of my takeaways from my time in Russia was I'm really into I became a prepper and really into like gardening, food preservation and food storage.
• 42:47
  And actually, I learned some of that from the Russians because they were very self sufficient. They would have their huge garden plots and they would preserve the food, and then they would have their produce to eat off of throughout the winter. I think that's not a bad idea to learn, at least learn and start doing that.
• 43:03
  Seth Holehouse: It's interesting that you mentioned prepping because that's a big thing for me too. And, you know, right now, we're kind of in the process of moving and we're actually buying a new house and with about seven acres of land for gardens and chickens. And so we made a big move from Ohio to a different state. But it's interesting because when I've thought about it before, I thought, okay, what has caused me to do that? Like, what has caused me to stockpile, you know, five gallon buckets of, you know, hard red, you know, red wheat or to buy a bunch of guns or what you whatever it is that is is prepping here in America.
• 43:40
  And it's actually it's from the sober realization of what can happen in a society. And I think that's it. So you saw it. And I think that's also a big thing of this because I think that if if more Americans saw that reality, it's like I almost wish that you could take the majority of Americans or even just the conservative Americans are trying to save the country, and go place them in the Soviet Union for a week, right to experience that. I think that it would make people so dedicated to fighting communism and also so dedicated to protecting their family that everybody would have, you know, at least a couple of months of food supply.
• 44:20
  They'd know how to use a firearm, they would know how to raise chickens, they'd know how to garden, they would know how to, you know, mend a wound or whatever it is. Because the realization of what can happen, I think is is a powerful one. It's very, very powerful. So it's just it's interesting hearing that that was a big takeaway for you that you became a prepper. It's like, wow, that's a, it's a good thing.
• 44:43
  Like, it's making it like, let's become harder for the government to kill. Like, that's that's what prepping is. It's like, I'm gonna become really hard for them to get rid of.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Definitely. Another thing that happened when that when the currency collapsed in 1998, in Russia, the middle class lost their bank accounts overnight, the banks, the money was gone. And so, and it was what was really surprising is that they kind of just took it in stride. They're kind of like, I've been through worse. And I mean, there were people complained, but they just moved on with life.
• 45:20
  They were tough people. We Americans have been, I think, purposefully made into much weaker people than we need to be. And we've already you know, you already said that. And we we need to get a little tougher and a little more independent.
• 45:35
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. One thing that I think is positive is I think that living, you know, in America these past couple of years and this current administration, I think a lot of people have woken up. A lot even a lot of the the government overreach during COVID. That's when I've gotten talk to people and they say, what was the moment for you that really kicked in that has changed to how you how you perceive your life in in the government? They say, oh, it was COVID.
• 46:00
  You know, we saw our constitution fundamentally shredded in front of our eyes and realized, this is why the founding fathers gave us, you know, the the constitution, the the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, everything that they set forth the Second Amendment, it was to protect from this. And I think a lot of people have really latched on to that, which is which is good. And I hope that I just hope that enough people have come around and enough people see this for what it is. I think that they are actually I really I believe that a lot of Americans are really waking up to this. And they're really learning to take control, and they're taking information like this very seriously.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have I have another thing I want to mention that was a takeaway from my thesis that I think is really important for for Christians in America. And that is studying the Soviet dissident Christians that were willing again. They had some had underground printing presses. They they or they were copying their Bibles and hymnals by hand because it was illegal contraband for them to have those those materials.
• 47:08
  The lengths that they went that they went to to be able to live according to their own conscience was amazing. But but I have to say, I think I don't think. I know because of what they did. They carried that flame that that torch of freedom or of of faith and liberty through, through the Soviet Union so that when the Soviet Union collapsed, there was this wellspring of faith for the people to draw upon. And it wasn't just the dissident Christians.
• 47:37
  There were Orthodox. There were grandmothers that were take that were teaching, you know, their grandchildren how to pray, but particularly the Christians that were dedicated even under extreme tyranny, under threat of loss of life and being sentenced to a horrific prison camp, they still persisted. So that's a that's a lesson that any one of us, just a regular Joe Schmo that our faith and living our faith, even if times you know, even if more pressure does come upon Christians, it will make a difference on a societal level for for us to to be true to our faith, and it makes a huge difference.
• 48:16
  Seth Holehouse: What an important lesson as well. And I've actually I've met in the human rights work I've done, especially with China, I've met people who've come out of China that have faith that I can't even imagine having. They knew that that withstood torture for ten years and with the refusal to give up their beliefs. And there's a lot of lessons there. So Julie, I just I want to thank you for what you're doing.
• 48:41
  Thank you for being a voice. Thank you for coming on the show. I want to make sure that people watch your documentary. So it's beneath sorry, beneath sheep's clothing Movie. I'll put that URL in the description.
• 48:56
  And then so it's coming January 2024. Where can people watch it? Is there an actual specific release date? I mean, how can people get get behind this?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Right. So we have three live premieres scheduled. January 11 in Phoenix, Arizona, January Twelfth in Saint George, Utah, January Thirteenth in Salt Lake City, Utah, and then online. Yeah. People can buy the tickets there.
• 49:22
  We have James Lindsay is gonna be at all of our premieres. Trevor Loudon will be at the Phoenix premier. And we have some other people that we're talking with about coming to our Utah premiers. It will premiere online January 19. And we're we're working on a few little details here, but people can get their ticket.
• 49:42
  It's $12 to watch the film online, and then they can also grab a copy of my book as well. People ask, you know, do do they need both? The book has information the documentary won't have, and the doc and the documentary has information the book doesn't have because I interviewed some amazing people that brought more information to the table that for the documentary. And then for my book, there's more detail I'm able to go into in different areas. So they're great, great companions for each other for people who want the full picture.
• 50:10
  Seth Holehouse: Perfect. Perfect. I think a lot of the audience that watches this show want that full picture. Julie, thanks again for coming. I appreciate the conversation.
• 50:18
  Thanks for doing that. I look forward to watching the documentary especially.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
• 50:25
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely.