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The Kenny Report | 23 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. As Hummas continues to execute Palestinians
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  Speaker 1: in Gaza, I've turned the spotlight onto your taxpayer funded
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  Speaker 1: broadcaster and its coverage. You won't believe the ABC's bullying
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  Speaker 1: tactics as it tries to shut down my criticism on
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  Speaker 1: your behalf. I'll speak to a former ABC director more
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  Speaker 1: on Melbourne's crime crisis as it arrives literally on the
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  Speaker 1: doorstep of a Geelong based senator. A new study shows
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  Speaker 1: the high price we're paying for the renewable energy shambles.
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  Speaker 1: I'll have sport with Robbo as Sydney's Everest takes on
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  Speaker 1: the Melbourne Cup, and we'll look at all the action
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  Speaker 1: in the US and at home with Mark Nicholson and
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  Speaker 1: Tim Blair. Let's get into it after that news we
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  Speaker 1: broke here last night that Australia will send one Defense
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  Speaker 1: Liaison officer to the US Command Center in Israel that
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  Speaker 1: will help design and oversee a peacekeeping force in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: I thought we should update you on what's happening there.
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  Speaker 1: Those Hummas executions and beatings that we showed you back
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  Speaker 1: before the peace deal, and again after the peace deal
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  Speaker 1: prompted a cease fire. Well, according to the Israeli government
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  Speaker 1: and many other sources, they are continuing. Here's a pointed
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  Speaker 1: video the Israeli Foreign Ministry has issued targeting the critics
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  Speaker 1: of Israel who have been so loud for so long,
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  Speaker 1: and the warning. While we've blurred this vision, it still
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  Speaker 1: shows brutal acts.
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  Speaker 3: Hamas is executing Palestinians in Gaza, public executions in broad daylight.
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  Speaker 3: Where are you all the loud voices, the human rights warriors,
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  Speaker 3: the moral preachers, the queers for Palestine? Are these your
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  Speaker 3: freedom fighters? The ones you march for? You vanished? Hummas
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  Speaker 3: must go?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Just crickets, isn't it. Why the protesters not at
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  Speaker 1: the Opera House tonight chanting against Hummas. How can those
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  Speaker 1: who claim to have been motivated by concerns for Palestinian
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  Speaker 1: lives avert their eyes from this? All the feverish talk
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  Speaker 1: and wild allegations about genocide, forced starvation, and deliberate targeting
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  Speaker 1: of civilians seem to have fallen by the wayside as
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  Speaker 1: we see what's really going on in Gaza, and once more,
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  Speaker 1: the real problem for the people in this Palestinian territory
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  Speaker 1: is not Israel, but hummus on the Middle East. I
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  Speaker 1: want to give you an insight tonight into how the ABC,
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  Speaker 1: the public broadcaster you fund with more than a billion
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  Speaker 1: dollars of your tax dollars every year, how that ABC
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  Speaker 1: tries to shut down criticism and refuses to be accountable
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  Speaker 1: for its biased journalism. I'll show you a complaint made
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  Speaker 1: about me about what I share with you on this
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  Speaker 1: program and what I write in The Australian. This complaint
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  Speaker 1: has come from a very senior taxpayer funded executive at
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  Speaker 1: the ABC, Justin Stevens, the Public broadcasters director of News.
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  Speaker 1: He sent it to Michael Miller, the executive chair of
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  Speaker 1: News Corp Australasia, copying in the CEO of Sky News,
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  Speaker 1: Paul Whittaker and editor in chief of The Australian, Michelle Gunn.
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  Speaker 1: The letter says that my column and last Weekend's Australian
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  Speaker 1: and an editorial on this program last week focusing on
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  Speaker 1: ABC correspondent Matthew Doran in the Middle East were quote
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  Speaker 1: a disgrace. In reality, my pieces focused on much more
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  Speaker 1: than Doran. I've been highly critical, as you know, citing
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  Speaker 1: specific references and facts about a wide range of ABC
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  Speaker 1: reporting on the Gaza war, and last week's report showed
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  Speaker 1: how ABCTV ran yet another four corners hit piece on
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump instead of providing live coverage of the hostage release,
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  Speaker 1: peace deal and Trump's arrival in Israel. And before getting
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  Speaker 1: to Dorian I also criticized Media Watch.
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  Speaker 4: Here's a reminder and for us in the media, it's
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  Speaker 4: a moment to mark the killing of more than one
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  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty of our colleagues in Gaza, felled by
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  Speaker 4: Israel's war machine.
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  Speaker 1: Really, these so called journalists were not Hummas operatives, not
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  Speaker 1: terrorists in press vests, as some evidence suggests. And if
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  Speaker 1: journalists or Hummus propagandists were killed, was it because of
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  Speaker 1: Israel's war machine or because Hummus terrorists deliberately triggered and
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  Speaker 1: continued a war they always knew they couldn't win. Except
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  Speaker 1: in proper Gander terms. The ABC really is a disgrace,
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  Speaker 1: which is why rebel news host r V. Jemeny couldn't
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  Speaker 1: resist hitting up the ABC's Jerusalem reporter in Hostages Square yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: You're gonna finally report head in shame for the way
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  Speaker 5: that you're reported in the last two years.
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  Speaker 6: Much of the antisubmiticate in Australia has to do solely
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  Speaker 6: on your reporting.
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  Speaker 5: How does it feel you're here on this historic day
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  Speaker 5: thanks to Trump?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks sure you're balanced? ABS has been an absolute joke,
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  Speaker 2: absolute joke.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Rebel News Live wire r V Yemeny
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  Speaker 1: who decided to pursue Douran for some answers, and I
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  Speaker 1: shared that with you. It was publicly available, it was
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  Speaker 1: newsworthy and it was illuminating. But in this complaint from
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  Speaker 1: the ABC News boss, we got high dudgeon. Stephen said
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  Speaker 1: that for me, the OS and Sky News to publicly
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  Speaker 1: support what they called the persistent harassment and abuse of
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  Speaker 1: Doraan in Tel Aviv and to share the video to
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  Speaker 1: a wider audience is a low point. A low point
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  Speaker 1: chasing someone with a camera and asking questions. Care to
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  Speaker 1: tell us how often the ABC has done that? Is
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  Speaker 1: this a tactic from which only journalists are protected? Give
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  Speaker 1: me a break. We didn't even do it anyway, We
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  Speaker 1: just showed it. We should censor this event to protect
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  Speaker 1: the ABC anyway. As I said, this was not about
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  Speaker 1: hassling Doran. In my column in The Australian, I said
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  Speaker 1: Rebel News was unfair to Doran, holding him single handedly
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  Speaker 1: responsible for the ABC's appalling coverage, when blame lies much
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  Speaker 1: more broadly with the ABC News and Current Affairs Division,
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  Speaker 1: its practitioners, and its leadership. And I said, when the
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  Speaker 1: ABC refuses to be accountable elsewhere an on the run interview,
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  Speaker 1: like the ABC chasing a conservative politician, or like a
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  Speaker 1: Current Affair pursuing a dodgy car dealer, Well, it certainly
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  Speaker 1: did the job, and Yemeny made a salient point in
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  Speaker 1: a dramatic way. My report here on this program was
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  Speaker 1: also pretty kind to Dorian. Now, I don't agree with
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  Speaker 1: everything Yemeny says and does for Rebel News, and I
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  Speaker 1: think he's a bit unfair blaming Matt Doran for all
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  Speaker 1: of the ABC's coverage, but he makes entirely valid points
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  Speaker 1: calling out ABC lies and misinformation.
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  Speaker 5: Please, then, so do you take me back some of
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  Speaker 5: your reporting.
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  Speaker 2: I stand by my reports.
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  Speaker 5: So they're starving in Gaza.
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  Speaker 6: Israel was starving the population, but you don't see anyone
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  Speaker 6: starving today there. You don't see anyone male Chusian there today.
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  Speaker 6: In the footage was seen to come out of Gaza.
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  Speaker 6: They're celebrating. You also said that they were intentionally targeting hospitals,
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  Speaker 6: which was against international law. You stand by all that
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  Speaker 6: which was fueling anti Semitism in Israel? Really, can you
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  Speaker 6: say that while looking me in the itees?
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  Speaker 1: Why stand by my reporting? The point here is that
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  Speaker 1: so much media reporting out of the Middle East has
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  Speaker 1: been flatly wrong and consistently biased. It has parrotied hummus propaganda,
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  Speaker 1: demonized Israel, and it's done so with information sometimes proven
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  Speaker 1: to be false, and much more that is dubious and
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  Speaker 1: can never be verified. Here's a sample of my critiques.
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  Speaker 1: You know the patriol here. We've had Israel accused of
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  Speaker 1: bombing hospitals that it never bombed, falsely accused of deliberately
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  Speaker 1: targeting AID workers. It's been accused of putting thousands of
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  Speaker 1: babies on the brink of death in what was a
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  Speaker 1: un promulgated fiction. Israel's even been accused of blocking aid,
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  Speaker 1: then massacre, massacring the very people it's been delivering aid too.
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  Speaker 1: And then there are the endless and patently absurd claims
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  Speaker 1: of genocide.
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  Speaker 7: Goes on and on.
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  Speaker 1: Their coverage started with this.
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  Speaker 8: Israel has pounded Galza with air strikes, killing fifty five
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  Speaker 8: Palestinians according to Palestinian health officials.
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  Speaker 1: Well as I hope you'll know by now when they
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  Speaker 1: say Palestinian health officials, they mean Hummus. They are quoting
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  Speaker 1: numbers provided by, or at least approved by, Hummus, one
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  Speaker 1: of the world's most bloodthirsty Islamists extremist terrorist organizations. So
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  Speaker 1: trust those numbers at your peril. I wouldn't repeat anything
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  Speaker 1: that Hummus offers. In fact, the ABC went on to
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  Speaker 1: say that eighty percent of all the deaths in this
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  Speaker 1: war are likely to be civilians. Again, this would be
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  Speaker 1: Hummus propaganda, impossible to verify and certain not to be true,
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  Speaker 1: given that Hummas terrorists operate against the rules of war
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  Speaker 1: in civilian clothes among civilian populations. Then Lions himself relays
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  Speaker 1: some of the standard terrorist propaganda claims.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of strong emotions in this courtyard at the moment,
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  Speaker 7: several of the men say they were tortured by Israelis
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  Speaker 7: while in prison.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the standard claim from all terrorists. John Lyons
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  Speaker 1: would know that they are trained to claim they are
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  Speaker 1: tortured if ever they're captured, and your taxpayer funded ABC
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  Speaker 1: just puts that claim to air on their behalf. This
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  Speaker 1: is terrible stuff from the ABC, and it helps to
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  Speaker 1: explain why so many people fail to understand this issue
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  Speaker 1: because they're fed misleading propaganda rather than the facts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there are just some of the key points over many,
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  Speaker 1: many months, two years. In fact, so much of the
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  Speaker 1: media has been biased, but it's of course the ABC
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  Speaker 1: that uses our tax dollars, and its coverage, of course,
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  Speaker 1: has been consistently jaundiced and mislead. This is a war
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  Speaker 1: between a brutal Islamist terrorist organization intent on shocking the
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  Speaker 1: world with its killing, torture and kidnapping of innocent Israelis
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  Speaker 1: against an army operating under the rule of law on
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  Speaker 1: instructions from a government in a vibrant democracy determined to
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  Speaker 1: defend itself. But the ABC has portrayed it at best
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  Speaker 1: as a clash between two equivalent sides, or at worst
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  Speaker 1: as an Israeli aggression against a beleagued people. Yet Stephens
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  Speaker 1: writes that the ABC's Middle East team deliver important journalism
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  Speaker 1: with courage, dedication and integrity, and the audience response demonstrates
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  Speaker 1: their work is valued. No impartial observer could be anything
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  Speaker 1: but positive about Matt's work. Well, that is just a
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  Speaker 1: puerile assertion. It addresses none of the substance, and it
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  Speaker 1: shows that Stevehans and the ABC are in denial. And
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  Speaker 1: it's also a weak attempt to narrow the focus because
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  Speaker 1: this is not about Dowan and the Middle East team,
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  Speaker 1: and Stevens knows that this is about ABC reporters, producers
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  Speaker 1: and presenters back in Australia too, and it's especially about
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  Speaker 1: senior editorial leaders like Stevens, as I said on air
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  Speaker 1: and in the paper. Stephens's letter then tried for some
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  Speaker 1: cheap shots. He said, my claim the ABC was chased
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  Speaker 1: out of Hostage Square is factually wrong. The team moved
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  Speaker 1: to get data receptions, something I wouldn't have experienced in Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: How pathetic, And again he's wrong. My column clearly said
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  Speaker 1: Doran was chased through the square, not out of it,
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  Speaker 1: as if that makes any difference. And as it happens
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  Speaker 1: earlier this year in Israel, I had quite a few
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  Speaker 1: problems moving around and changing platforms to get my video
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  Speaker 1: feeds out of Israel. Stevens also suggests that if news
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  Speaker 1: corp journalists were subjected to anything like this, the industry
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  Speaker 1: would condemn it. This is laughable. The ABC has spent
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  Speaker 1: countless hours at taxpayer's expense, attempting to demonize, defame, and
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  Speaker 1: destroy critics like me over the years. Their Media Watch
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  Speaker 1: program is often dedicated to it. They once dedicated an
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  Speaker 1: entire program to character assassination against me. My employer at
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  Speaker 1: the time didn't have the kahunas to take on the ABC.
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  Speaker 1: A royal commission vindicated me, and the ABC still never apologized.
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  Speaker 1: Decades later, they quite literally showed me upper dog, apparently
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  Speaker 1: to try to intimidate me into silence. And have a
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  Speaker 1: look at this recent example that relates to the Middle East,
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  Speaker 1: when they tried to ridicule and bully my colleague Shari
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  Speaker 1: Markson over her elusive interview with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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  Speaker 1: Their petty headline of when Benny met Shari set the tone.
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  Speaker 1: Then they attacked Markson's journalism, as they've done repeatedly over
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  Speaker 1: the years. They didn't like the fact she ignored their
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  Speaker 1: fallacious genocide angles, and they invited a former labor staffer
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  Speaker 1: and ABC stalwart to join in on their pile on.
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  Speaker 9: We asked the decorated veteran television interviewer Kerry O'Brien for
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  Speaker 9: his view Sharry marks and might as well have simply
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  Speaker 9: handed Benjamin Nettanna who a microphone and said let me
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  Speaker 9: know when you're finished. O'Brien and his peers shared with
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  Speaker 9: us some of the questions they would have asked the
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  Speaker 9: Israeli PM. They're on our website and I'd encourage you
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  Speaker 9: to read them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to look at those. And what did
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  Speaker 1: Red Kerry suggest as a question? He reckons he would
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  Speaker 1: have gone Bibbi over Israel losing the pr war and
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  Speaker 1: how there is a disproportionate death toll between Israe Rail
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  Speaker 1: and Palestinians. What a dumb question. The same ABC line,
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  Speaker 1: the same false equivalents, and the same hummus propaganda. It's
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  Speaker 1: great to see that, even in his retirement, Carry O'Brien
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  Speaker 1: is sticking to the standard green left positions. The letter
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  Speaker 1: from Stevens even hit back at my claims that the
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  Speaker 1: ABC dodges accountability. He says the ABC is the most
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  Speaker 1: scrutinized and accountable media organization in the country and that
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  Speaker 1: even with its rigorous complaints process and independent onwardsman, it's
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  Speaker 1: only been caught out getting facts wrong three times over
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  Speaker 1: Gaza and there have been no findings of bias. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'd say that demonstrates how the accountability measures are failing,
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  Speaker 1: and I'd offer an example we shared with you the
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  Speaker 1: other week to demonstrate how the public gets little robust
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  Speaker 1: scrutiny for its billion dollars plus a year in Senate estimates.
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  Speaker 1: The ABC managing director was asked about my revelations that
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  Speaker 1: last month it failed to report a verified episode of
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  Speaker 1: Hummus executing Palestinians on sky News.
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  Speaker 10: The Kenny Report on Tuesday, the twenty third of September.
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  Speaker 10: Kenny noted that while the ABC gave blanket coverage of
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  Speaker 10: Albanesian wong in New York, we have found no coverage
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  Speaker 10: of these real events in Garsa on the ABC website.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 10: I've also done a bit of research for ABC's coverage
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  Speaker 10: of this story, and I haven't found anything. I'm happy
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  Speaker 10: to stand corrected if that's not the case, But it
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  Speaker 10: appears as though these events weren't widely covered by the ABC,
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  Speaker 10: and I expose I'd like to understand why that's the case.
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  Speaker 11: The particular story you refer to in terms of mister Kenny,
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  Speaker 11: I'm not aware of that particular story I'm not aware
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  Speaker 11: of the decision that was made to cover or not
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  Speaker 11: cover that particular issue. Obviously, I don't have any doubt
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  Speaker 11: that the ABC has covered the atrocities.
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  Speaker 2: Of hummas and how they.
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  Speaker 1: Operate.
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  Speaker 11: I don't think our audience would be any doubts about that.
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  Speaker 1: Sure they have. We found one story, one story in
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  Speaker 1: two years of coverage. There's your accountability, just denial and obfuscation.
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  Speaker 1: The Stephens complaint demands an apology from me, suggesting that
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  Speaker 1: rather than legitimate scrutiny, mine is ill informed, a gender
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  Speaker 1: driven ranting. Now, the first question is what on earth
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  Speaker 1: I would apologize for? For exposing the ABC's systemic bias,
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  Speaker 1: for sharing facts and daring to show an ABC reporter
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  Speaker 1: refusing to answer tough questions, for demonstrating that tax payers
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  Speaker 1: money is being misused instead of paying for fair and
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  Speaker 1: balanced news, it's funding biased and selective reporting. I won't
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  Speaker 1: apologize for doing my job, even if part of that
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  Speaker 1: job is to expose how badly Justin Stephens does his job.
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  Speaker 1: And while he I want to try to bully ABC
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  Speaker 1: critics and undermine them with their employers, I'm happy to
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  Speaker 1: tell you that my employers stand by me. Because they
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  Speaker 1: value your right to hear the facts and to join
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  Speaker 1: informed debates based on those facts. By the way, I've
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  Speaker 1: asked repeatedly for senior ABC leaders for interviews. I said
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  Speaker 1: this at the end of the very report they've complained about.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be happy to speak to an ABC reporter or
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  Speaker 1: news boss or the ABC boss on air here anytime
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  Speaker 1: to discuss their Middle East reporting. They should be accountable.
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  Speaker 1: We asked Justin Stevens for an interview this week. He declined.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, after years of seeking an interview with the
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  Speaker 1: previous managing director. I buttonhold him and he said this,
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  Speaker 1: and I have been waiting for you invite me onto
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  Speaker 1: your program anytime. That's a standing invitation.
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  Speaker 2: Well, actually we've said him requests in the past.
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  Speaker 1: And despite our many follow ups, he of course never fronted.
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  Speaker 1: The trouble is the ABC is only accountable within its
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  Speaker 1: own government funded green left ecosystem. It needs to be
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  Speaker 1: accountable to all Australians because we all pay for it.
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  Speaker 1: I want to cross to Melbourne now and catch up
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  Speaker 1: with Joe gersh he's a former director of the ABC.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Joe, just want to give you
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  Speaker 1: a chance right at the artset to give us your
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  Speaker 1: assessment of the ABC's coverage of the events in the
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  Speaker 1: Middle East over the past two years.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I've been reasonably vocal Chris Well. First of all,
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  Speaker 12: i should say thank you for inviting me on and
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  Speaker 12: thank you for your understanding and support on this issue.
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  Speaker 12: I've been deeply concerned about the way in which the
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  Speaker 12: ABC has covered the Middle East over the last two years,
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  Speaker 12: and particularly on the question of why it's been missing
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  Speaker 12: in action on the subject of anti Semitism here in Australia.
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  Speaker 12: And of course the two are connected, and I've made
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  Speaker 12: the point a number of times, and I've heard you
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  Speaker 12: make the point any number of times that the manner
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  Speaker 12: in which the ABC and other media outlets a treat
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  Speaker 12: Israel and the war in Gaza reflects directly in action
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  Speaker 12: in connection with antisemitism here in Australia, and that point
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  Speaker 12: was recently made precisely, that point was recently made by
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  Speaker 12: the Manchester Jewish community of course, after that horrific murder
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  Speaker 12: on Yom Kipor. In relation to the BBC, which in
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  Speaker 12: a sense, in a vibe sense, is very similar to
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  Speaker 12: the ABC in the way in which it reports this issue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is whatever you think about r VM Andy
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  Speaker 1: and about his tactics on this occasion, this is a
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  Speaker 1: point he made strongly to matter through Doraan in Israel,
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  Speaker 1: and that is that the reporting of the ABC across
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  Speaker 1: the board that demonizes Israel, it has an impact not
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  Speaker 1: just globally but here on the way that Jewish Australians
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  Speaker 1: are treated.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, now I think his point.
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  Speaker 1: I think his point was well made.
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  Speaker 12: I do understand Justin Stevens feeling the need to stand
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  Speaker 12: by his people. That's that he's entitled to do that.
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  Speaker 12: In fact, it's obligation to do it. And I also
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  Speaker 12: understand that people need to be journalists of all types
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  Speaker 12: need to be respectful to their subjects, whether it's a
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  Speaker 12: planned interview or whether it's a spontaneous interview. When you
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  Speaker 12: put a microphone in front of somebody, perhaps they don't
• 21:45
  Speaker 12: want to answer the question. But the point that he
• 21:50
  Speaker 12: made was was well made. And the point that you've
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: made about the ABC's bias, I think is also is
• 21:57
  Speaker 12: also well made.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: This is so just in there. Sorry Joe, that delays
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a bit annoying, but I just want to take up
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that point because I certainly wouldn't be blaming Matthew Doran
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: for all the problems with ABC coverage, as that sort
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of that buttonhole interview suggested. And I've made the point
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: here so many times with so many different reporters and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: programs that there's been systemic bias. And having been a
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: director of the ABC, you would know where this comes from.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: This is not rogue journalists on the ground like John
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Lyons when he was in the Middle East, or Matthew
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Doran now or others. This filters through the whole ABC
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: News and Current Affairs system, and the responsibility for it
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: has to be with people, surely like Justin Stevens totally.
• 22:44
  Speaker 12: I agree with that totally, and he would take responsibility.
• 22:46
  Speaker 12: The difficulty is that I think it's perfectly possible that
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: he believes what he wrote to you, which is the
• 22:54
  Speaker 12: ABC's coverage of this conflict has conformed to their statutory
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: obligation to be impartial. I wouldn't agree with that assessment,
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: and I know you don't agree with that assessment. So
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: that's that's a question that needs to be properly and
• 23:10
  Speaker 12: thoroughly canvassed. And I think whatever you might think about
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: the last two years, the game fundamentally changed in the
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: last two weeks and at Hostages Square, and in the
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: subsequent visit of the of the of President Trump to
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: the Knesset, and following that Si Malcher, the game changed,
• 23:35
  Speaker 12: and again the ABC has reported this in the way
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: in which they typically do. Two Israeli soldiers. Two Israeli
• 23:44
  Speaker 12: soldiers were killed on the Israeli side of the yellow
• 23:47
  Speaker 12: line in Gaza. Two more Israeli families bereaved after the
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: tw just after the hostages were returned to their to
• 23:57
  Speaker 12: their families on that joyous day. Israel responded as Israel
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: would have to do if you heard the ABC coverage.
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: It began with Israel's response. Every time I'm driving in
• 24:12
  Speaker 12: the car and I turn on the radio and it's
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: time for the ABC News, because I'm still tuned to
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: the ABC News and the fanfare comes on, I say
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: to myself, what is Israel done wrong this time? And
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: I'm almost never disappointed. The ABC will begin its coverage
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: by explaining the position from the perspective of the Palestinians
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: as victims, and not from the perspective of an Israel
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: It's engaged in a war of self defense against an
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: enemy determined to see Israel destroyed and with it the
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: Jewish people. So this whole thing is that the whole
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: thing is a matter of context, and I am deeply
• 24:54
  Speaker 12: disappointed with the ABC. I don't necessarily think that buttonhole
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: interviews are the way to deal with it, but nonetheless
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: I do take the points that were made in that
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: buttonhole interview because I think they're very valid, and I
• 25:13
  Speaker 12: invite you, plead with you to continue to put a
• 25:18
  Speaker 12: spotlight on the ABC because it needs, it's required to
• 25:21
  Speaker 12: be responsive to the complaints of Australians, but also it
• 25:27
  Speaker 12: has an obligation of impartiality and sure the ABC's interest
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: to do so. It's in the ABC's interest to be
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: a trusted source of news because that's its future. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 12: if it's not trusted as a source of news, frankly,
• 25:42
  Speaker 12: its future is questionable.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Brilliantly summarized, Joe Gersh, Thanks so much for that explanation
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and your insights, and you can count on it. I'll
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: keep my focus on the ABC and what you need
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to do is to tune in your car radio to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Sky News Radio at some stage. Thanks for joining us.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: There's Joe Gersh, who's a former director at the AB Scene.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Then to go to a former ABC journalist now actually
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the liberal senator of a Victoria. Sarah Henderson joins us
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: in Geelong and Sarah, thanks for joining us. You've had
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: an unsettled day today where the crime crisis in Melbourne.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Obviously it's Victoria wide, but you had a crime crisis
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: in the vehicle of a stolen car. Arrive on your
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: doorstep in Geelong. Talk us through it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: Well, Chris, good afternoon, and yes we have a full
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: blow and the crime crisis in Victoria and yesterday, in fact,
• 26:36
  Speaker 13: it's all over the papers today. But yesterday there was
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: a shocking incident where five literally children at teenagers age
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: between thirteen and fifteen, got into a stolen car.
• 26:48
  Speaker 14: There was a number of heat and runs in Melbourne.
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: They then headed down the highway and proceeded to crash
• 26:54
  Speaker 13: into three vehicles, including one that was captured by my
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: cc TV cameras. It really was shocking and in the
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: video that we captured, Chris, it does look like the
• 27:07
  Speaker 13: driver was driving at speed. It is a miracle that
• 27:11
  Speaker 13: no one was seriously injured or even killed, including of
• 27:15
  Speaker 13: course the children in the car. But in Jacinta Allen's
• 27:18
  Speaker 13: Victoria we are seeing massive increases in crime, including a
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: forty two percent increase in car theft.
• 27:26
  Speaker 14: In just one year. And that is why it is
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: so critical that we have a Brad Battan government in Victoria.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: That is just shocking vision. As you say, it could
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: have been so much worse. Innocent people could have been
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: killed or seriously hurt. But here is what just Center Allen,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the Victorian Premier, has had to say about the crime situation.
• 27:45
  Speaker 15: The data shows us that more and more people are
• 27:47
  Speaker 15: continuing to come into the CBD every weekend. The numbers,
• 27:52
  Speaker 15: the number of the foot traffic counts that are undertaken
• 27:54
  Speaker 15: by the City of Melbourne and by the Department of
• 27:57
  Speaker 15: Transport shows that foot traffic numbers continues to increase.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, as you're saying, people aren't afraid to go into
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: the Melbourne CBD despite this crime, despite so much happening
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: in the CBD, But as you've just demonstrated, it's across
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the whole state.
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: It is across the whole state, particularly in Melbourne.
• 28:18
  Speaker 13: And I think what Justinter Allen is referring to are
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: the thousands and thousands of people who are coming into
• 28:23
  Speaker 13: protest every weekend as they have for the last two
• 28:26
  Speaker 13: years and that's why under Brad Batten's protest registration scheme
• 28:30
  Speaker 13: that he's pushing, along with some other fantastic policies including
• 28:34
  Speaker 13: Jack's Law and break bail face bail. That's why I
• 28:38
  Speaker 13: have called for all protests in the CBD to be
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: shut down. This is untenable and it is a joke
• 28:44
  Speaker 13: for this hopeless and incompetent premiere to say that the
• 28:48
  Speaker 13: CBD is safe. The CBD of Melbourne is not safe.
• 28:52
  Speaker 13: It is becoming more unsafe every single day. Into Allen
• 28:56
  Speaker 13: and the Labor government. We have a full blown crime
• 28:59
  Speaker 13: crisis and that's why the sooner we get rid of
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: this terrible government, the better.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Just back to federal politics. You'll be in Canberra tomorrow week.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: There'll be a round table on climate and energy policy.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Will you be pushing for the coalition the Scrapet's commitment
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to next net zero.
• 29:19
  Speaker 14: Yes, so I have been and I will continue to
• 29:21
  Speaker 14: do so.
• 29:22
  Speaker 13: One of the things that I know about winning elections
• 29:24
  Speaker 13: and standing up for the Australian people is you can't
• 29:27
  Speaker 13: sit on the fence.
• 29:28
  Speaker 14: And I am concerned that there is an attempt to
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: find some sort.
• 29:31
  Speaker 13: Of compromise position net zero frankly, Chris is sending our
• 29:35
  Speaker 13: country backwards. I would say it is the worst policy
• 29:39
  Speaker 13: failure in living memory in this country. More and more
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: Australians are seeing that it does not work. The Labor
• 29:45
  Speaker 13: government has failed to reach these so called twenty thirty
• 29:49
  Speaker 13: and twenty thirty five targets. It's just a complete joke.
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: And we are a resorts rich country. We are so
• 29:55
  Speaker 13: blessed to have so much coal and gas and uranium,
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: and yet we are turning our back on these incredible reserves.
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: This ridiculous folly of driving renewables across this country, electrifying
• 30:10
  Speaker 13: this country, de industrializing this country. It is insanity. So
• 30:15
  Speaker 13: I will be pushing very very hard for there to
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: be no net zero laws. We need to turn our
• 30:21
  Speaker 13: back on net zero all power tier.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Sarah Henderson, thanks for joining us. Sarah Henderson is dead right.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: This is a national self harm on a grand scale.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: And after the break and we're going to catch up
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: with an expert whose new report just shows the high
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: price we're all paying for this renewable energy shambles. More
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: detail tonight on how the Labour, Greens and Teal push
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: for net zero is making Australians poorer. A new paper
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: by the Center for Independent Studies says our electricity market
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: is now the most volatile in the world, and driven
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: by the renewables transition, it will only get worse while
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: electricity prices continue to rise from unprecedented highs. The paper
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: details how people who don't install solar panels on their
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: roofs are actually forced to cross subsidized those who do
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: all of this to move away, of course, from affordable
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and reliable coal power, so that we can be poorer
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: as a nation. Let's bring in Jude Blick from the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Center for Indmpetitive Studies. Thanks for joining us, sir Jude,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to tell us first up in this report about the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: volatility in the electricity market and what impact that has
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: on us as consumers.
• 31:34
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, thanks for having me, Chris, and yeah, this report
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: proves that Australia has the most volatile power market in
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: the world. You know, as you don't think about power
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: as volatile. We think about a little bit late see
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: week Bix. It's always there, it's always the same price,
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: what's going up, but at least it's kind of sturdy.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: We know what we're going to get in the bill
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: if we roughly know energy usage, but behind the scenes,
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: Australia's false out electricity market is incredibly volatile. I'll give
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: you some stats. In twenty twelve we only had about
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: eighteen what's called extreme price events. By twenty twenty four
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: that was over six hundred. And the price of power
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: is swinging way up to two hundred times. That's a
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: factory of two hundred. And what other markets, say petrol
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: or groceries or fruit and vegetables, do prices swing by
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: a factor of two hundred? You know, between this is
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: incredible and four hundred dollars. It's yeah, and risk equals
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: cost Chris. The derivatives that retailers need to use to
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: manage all of that volatility have only gone up in price,
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: and that is driving Australia's by electricity costs.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I follow it on the app and you know, as
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you know, electricity prices can be negative at times when
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the wind's pumping free electricity around, it costs you nothing,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: but then it goes out to a max of fourteen
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars a killer what hour or so? The range
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: is incredible. How does this infect affect investment? And certainty
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: is whatever kind of generation people are putting.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: In Yeah, it absolutely undermines the certainty that that people
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: making long term decisions for the stability of our power
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: market need. And see what also undermindes is the investment
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: certainty for wind and solar projects, and we see they're
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: now having to be subsidized by the government as well.
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: We've got the Capacity Investment Scheme which is a completely
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: uncosted and totally hidden cost to the tax payer. And
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: now we've got a recent Nelson review of the NEM
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: that's been put out by a EMO, which is recommended
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: an Electricity Services Entry mechanism, which is just another name
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: for a warehousing of risk, which is effectively a subsidy
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: so that they can de risk, artificially de risk these
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: projects for the investors.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Just quickly, because we're nearly out of time. I don't
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: have solar panels on my roof, So how does my
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: electricity bill subsidize those who do?
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, in the middle of the day, the wholesale power
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: price actually often goes negative. It's becoming more and more
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: regular as all of the power supply from solar panels
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: dumps into the grid, and so that means your power
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: actually has a negative value to your retailer. It actually
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: costs them to get rid of your power onto the
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: grid because it has a negative price. And so instead
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: of charging solar users more, what they'll do is they'll
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: charge everyone just a little bit more, raise that price
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: level so that the solar users don't have to take
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: their hit. So absolutely, non solar users are cross subsidizing.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: The solar panel gry unbelievable. Too much power when we
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: don't need it, not enough when we do. Thanks for
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: joining us, Jude, I appreciate it. Jude Blick there from
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the Center for Independent Studies. Now I'm going to take
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a break on the other side, going to catch up
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: with Mark Robinson. I'm keen to hear what Robert has
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: got to say about Sydney's Everest horse Race, because this
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: in Sydney, they reckon has taken on the Melbourne Cup.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: That's aid our weekly sports chat with Mark Robinson, formerly
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the chief footy writer at The Herald's Son. Good to
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: talk to you again, Robo. Why don't we start with
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: footy and one of your favorites, that glamour boy from
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Geelong now Bailey Smith, and he's got the official warning
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: now from the AFL about some of his social media.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You'd agree with the tenor of that warning, wouldn't you.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: He's had enough warnings though over the years.
• 35:06
  Speaker 17: Absolutely, Chris, good to talk to you again. I spoke
• 35:08
  Speaker 17: to you about two or three weeks ago, and a
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: lot of people and it really pisses me off a
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: lot of these young punks online, So get off his back.
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: He's only having fun. But there's a fine line between
• 35:20
  Speaker 17: having fun and being I was showing an amount of
• 35:23
  Speaker 17: decency in this world, and the AFL had to come
• 35:27
  Speaker 17: down hard.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: On his antics with Caroline Wilson.
• 35:32
  Speaker 17: You just can't be doing what he did.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm just surprised at the AFL took so.
• 35:36
  Speaker 17: Long to send him a letter and send the club
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: a letter saying pull him into pull him in the line.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: If you don't, we will. I thought it was a
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: week and a half too late from the AFL.
• 35:47
  Speaker 18: But he's got the message.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, and hopefully it's an example too. They've
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: all got to be careful with that stuff. They are
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: public figures, role models to a degree. So we'll see
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: where it all ends up. Because he loves a bit
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of social media attention. Let's go to the horse racing,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: of course, you get into the spring carnival, everyone will
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: be fired up for the Melbourne Cup. This everest event
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: in Sydney is an absolute winner. It's popular, drawing the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: crowds and all the rest of it. And at this
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: time amongst the crowd some big Melbourne names Josh Decos
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: was there, Brendan Favola, national figures like Michael Clark. Of
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: course they got no hope surely of rivaling the Melbourne
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Cup though with a horse race in Sydney, or have
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: they not yet? Not yet?
• 36:33
  Speaker 17: What is it ten years old?
• 36:34
  Speaker 18: I was up at the average a couple of years
• 36:36
  Speaker 18: ago and it was an absolutely spectacular day. I had
• 36:41
  Speaker 18: to tell you Chris last weekend I think I thought
• 36:45
  Speaker 18: there was more interest in the average than there was
• 36:46
  Speaker 18: in the Carthor Cup.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 36:48
  Speaker 17: And it's time on of the Corthor Cup. But the
• 36:50
  Speaker 17: average is the everage is dexy.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: It is a sprint.
• 36:54
  Speaker 17: We got Carying rising over world's best sprinter, up against
• 36:58
  Speaker 17: Austral's best sprinters and a one. It was an unbelievable success.
• 37:05
  Speaker 17: Now we talk about prestige and time.
• 37:08
  Speaker 18: On it at et cetera, et cetera, which the Melbourne
• 37:10
  Speaker 18: Cup has.
• 37:11
  Speaker 17: This is worth a twenty million dollar race.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: The Melbourne Cup has been going for a runner in
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: fifty years.
• 37:17
  Speaker 17: It may not ever get there, but as time goes on,
• 37:21
  Speaker 17: this race will also stop the nation, and I don't
• 37:24
  Speaker 17: think it has just yet, but give it more.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Time and the builder.
• 37:29
  Speaker 17: The build up to the Everest was enormous.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: It's pretty year. I've been to the Overus once it
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: was a great day. I've never been to a Melbourne
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Cup and I suppose it's hard to stop the Nation
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: on a Saturday afternoon as compared to a Tuesday, but
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye on out. They're both great, great events,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: just quickly ashes around the corner. Here's a former England champion,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Kevin Peterson.
• 37:53
  Speaker 19: I didn't worry about Australia or fear Australia, have any
• 37:56
  Speaker 19: issues with Australia on the field.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I absolutely loved it.
• 38:00
  Speaker 19: Every battle, like the battles for me on the field
• 38:02
  Speaker 19: were amazing, Like I just loved it. I know we
• 38:04
  Speaker 19: got hammered in six seven and we've got hammered in
• 38:07
  Speaker 19: thirteen fourteen.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I believe him, Robbo, he wouldn't have feared Australia because
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: he was so bloody good. Now I agree with him.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, I remember when he was facing Shane one
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: and a lot of.
• 38:18
  Speaker 17: Batsmen were scared of warning. He never seemed to be
• 38:23
  Speaker 17: afraid of warning. How left are we at the moment, Chris.
• 38:26
  Speaker 18: We've got India Australia right now.
• 38:27
  Speaker 17: We've got the Ashes coming up. They're the three best
• 38:30
  Speaker 17: cricket nations in the world. They're Australian shore. We just
• 38:34
  Speaker 17: had the AFL Finals, we just had the NRL Finals.
• 38:37
  Speaker 18: We just had the air rest but got the coxpoil
• 38:40
  Speaker 18: on the weekend.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: We've got the Melbourne Cup and the answer too much
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and too much three weeks after that. Fantastic. We'll catch
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: up with you again about it next week, Robo. Appreciate
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: it so much, Sport. It's never enough. Hate. Got to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: get to a break on the other side, Mart Nicholson
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and Tim Blair on all the action here and in
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the US. Let's get into what I like to think
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: of as our national cabinet with the Daily Telegraphs, Tim
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Blair joining us and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to wrap up the week. Welcome guys. I want to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: start on a serious note and it comes to law
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: enforcement and the war on drugs in the United States.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And it's quite extraordinary to say, you see the way
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: under Donald Trump that the US is targeting these people
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: trying to bring drugs into the country on boats.
• 39:26
  Speaker 20: Tim Well, yes, and if you have a look at
• 39:29
  Speaker 20: that vessel, you'll notice at the rear there are three
• 39:32
  Speaker 20: largish outboard motors. Now this is important because a lot
• 39:36
  Speaker 20: of opponents of this of that are claiming that these
• 39:41
  Speaker 20: might be simply fishing vessels operated by you know, just
• 39:46
  Speaker 20: some people out there looking for the odd bit of flounder.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think so.
• 39:50
  Speaker 20: You typically don't have monster outboards a few hundred horspower
• 39:54
  Speaker 20: out there running a fishing vessel.
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  Speaker 3: So there is that, I mean.
• 39:59
  Speaker 20: And also the phrase war on drugs don't suggest a
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  Speaker 20: kind of a hard line attitude, so I'm not altogether.
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  Speaker 20: I mean, I know there's a due process sort of issue,
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  Speaker 20: but you know, war on drugs, this is this is
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  Speaker 20: a way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is heavy handed, all right, it is definitive.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at what the Secretary of State
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and the President have had the same. These are drug vootes.
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  Speaker 10: If people want to stop seeing drug boats blow up,
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  Speaker 10: stop sending drugs to the United States.
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  Speaker 21: This is a national security problem. They killed three hundred
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  Speaker 21: thousand people last year drugs, these drugs coming in. They
• 40:34
  Speaker 21: killed three hundred thousand Americans last year, and that gives
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  Speaker 21: you legal authority.
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  Speaker 1: It is just extraordinary, Markersn't it just liquidating these people
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  Speaker 1: basically missiles directed at them as they're trying to bring
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  Speaker 1: drugs into the US.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't. You can't you toss that aside.
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  Speaker 16: It's pretty uncomfortable seeing seeing people just get blown up
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  Speaker 16: on suspicion. And as a conservative, you've got to say,
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  Speaker 16: we're a big fan of rules.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I do like rules.
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  Speaker 16: I love like a bit of evidence before execution. But
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  Speaker 16: there's also part of me that really does appreciate the
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  Speaker 16: definitive action of this. You know, if you compare that
• 41:08
  Speaker 16: to say, you know, the Victorian government, they'd be setting
• 41:12
  Speaker 16: up little fentanyl donation boxes at the ports and thinking
• 41:16
  Speaker 16: that that's a solution to the whole thing. At least,
• 41:18
  Speaker 16: this is actually getting it done, because I tell you what,
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  Speaker 16: if you're a drug smuggler, there's no way you're taking
• 41:23
  Speaker 16: a boat out really without argument for saying you were warned.
• 41:29
  Speaker 16: And if you're a fisherman, if you are an innocent fisherman,
• 41:31
  Speaker 16: which these people clearly aren't, you're also deterred from taking
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  Speaker 16: the boat out. So you know it's not a legal fisherman.
• 41:37
  Speaker 16: You know it's not legal fishermen out there. They're definitely
• 41:39
  Speaker 16: drug smugglers.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you no doubt about it. I'm a bit squeamish
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: about it myself, but the bottom line is a lot
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: of lives are being lost in the US and this
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: will stop the trade. As you know that they've been
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: clearly warned don't do this stuff, or this is what
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: could happen.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Let's bring it back to the more.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Entertaining side of what was seen in the US of
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: late in the White House, of course, when Albo and
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Pixie the Rudster all went to the White House. Have
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: a look at how it all unfolded.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Whereas is working. Yeah, you said bad to dispositions to prison,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: but I don't like you either, probably never will.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: As I said earlier in the week, you know, taking
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: an instant disliking to Kevin run saves a lot of time.
• 42:30
  Speaker 20: Hell of a lot of people who've had dealings with
• 42:31
  Speaker 20: Kevin over the years, myself included, took a great deal
• 42:34
  Speaker 20: of delight in that footage. I'd also include given runs
• 42:38
  Speaker 20: former staff he had people maybe not aren't recalling these days,
• 42:43
  Speaker 20: but back when he briefly was Prime Minister, he had
• 42:46
  Speaker 20: an enormous turnover in his office because of just his
• 42:49
  Speaker 20: crap abilities as a boss. So yeah, I think a
• 42:52
  Speaker 20: lot of people would have enjoyed that exchange.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not least of all most of the Labor cabinet,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: most of the Labor Party can't stand him. Penny Wong,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the Foreign Minister, would have loved that too. In fact,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Albow he's always been mates with. Rather Albow's the only
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: one who would have felt sorry for him. Mark.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: But yet this is classic labor mate.
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: He saw him when Trump he smelt something.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: He threw him straight under the bus. That's what they do.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: That's what they do.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Where's running right there?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Go for him, Go on, chum in the water, get him,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: please shove in the water.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Well, of course, because no one could deny all the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: stuff that Raud has said. Here's a recap.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Who could believe our luck that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 12: This madman called Trump could have been elected?
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: The United States in the last four years has been
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: run by a village idiot. During the craziness the Trump
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: administration because of the essential incoherence of the man himself.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: And get the president to behave like a responsible grown
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: up and so far he's not done that.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: And Tim, we've got to keep running those grabs and
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: pop them up on YouTube in the whole Donald Trump
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: gets to see them.
• 44:02
  Speaker 20: Sometime, absolutely, And Mark is exactly right what the world
• 44:06
  Speaker 20: saw in that with a bit of labor factional sniping
• 44:09
  Speaker 20: on the global stage in the White House. So we've
• 44:12
  Speaker 20: seen how the different label rivalries work out there. There
• 44:16
  Speaker 20: was another comment as well from the Prime Minister later
• 44:19
  Speaker 20: on when he referred to how well Rudd had done
• 44:23
  Speaker 20: with the negotiations, and he offered this incredibly back ended
• 44:26
  Speaker 20: praise saying that, yeah, he seems to know everything, which
• 44:30
  Speaker 20: is just a terrible thing to say that. You know, Kevin,
• 44:34
  Speaker 20: he says to know everything, that guy. So yeah, I
• 44:38
  Speaker 20: think everyone's on the same page with Kevin, and a
• 44:40
  Speaker 20: lot of fun it is to watch.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Well, let the entertainment continue, because there's been developments in
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Australian politics that I am certain they're going to be
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: brilliant for your please Explain cartoons and perhaps even the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: please Explain Cartoon movie, Mark, because one Nation and Pauline
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Hansen look like might be welcoming Barnaby Joyce and he
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: could even take over from her.
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: Have a look, just put people's fears. One woman said
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: to me today on the plane. She said, it's great
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: that Barnaby has come across, but please do not make
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: him leader.
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: You have to be there.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: So that was nice to hear, but.
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: It's about it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: It's nice to hear, but people are thinking about what
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: would have happened. Retire at some stage. You have to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: retire Pauline. But at some stage it can't be Pauline
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: hands one Nation party. At some stage someone has to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: lead it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: Totally agree with you, Chris. I'm not that stupid. I'm
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: not that I haven't got an ego that big. My
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: attitude is if someone can do a better job than
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: I can, fair enough, and to do it. But don't
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: write me off at the moment.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Mark, this is going to be brilliant for you. You're
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: going to have Barnaby and Pauline in every episode.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Barnaby and Pauline being the good guys roaming around.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: That'll be fun. That'll be fun.
• 45:56
  Speaker 16: I love Barnaby, he's a good man, but I can
• 45:58
  Speaker 16: tell you now one hundred percent. I know that there
• 46:00
  Speaker 16: hasn't been a deal signed yet because they haven't been
• 46:03
  Speaker 16: given the call to change him from a beetroot.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Because I assume we.
• 46:06
  Speaker 16: Couldn't have him as a beetroot floating around anymore in
• 46:09
  Speaker 16: the cartoon series. If he's if he's on the good side,
• 46:12
  Speaker 16: if he's come over to the good side of the
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: good team, the winning team, we can't have him as
• 46:17
  Speaker 16: a beetroot floating around, and I probably I have to
• 46:19
  Speaker 16: have him walking around as well, looking trim, you look good.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't send to him. He's a beetroot. Some of
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: us love beetroot, most malign vegetable. Hey, Tim, I've got
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on this story about pubs and COVID.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: So remember during COVID they said, if you're at a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: pub and you want to drink outside, you have to
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: be sitting down or whatever. These rules are still in
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: place in pubs in Sydney. The state government can't even
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: overturn them because the city Council's in it. I mean,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: what sort of a nanny state world are we living in?
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: It was bad enough in COVID, but now if you
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: stand up, no be for you.
• 46:57
  Speaker 20: This is obviously going to be addressed rather quickly. I
• 46:59
  Speaker 20: mean it's an indication for people who aren't really experienced
• 47:02
  Speaker 20: in how governments work that when bad rules are put
• 47:05
  Speaker 20: in place, they tend to stay. And then this is
• 47:08
  Speaker 20: a closing example. I would actually go further than maybe
• 47:12
  Speaker 20: just getting rid of getting rid of the laws though
• 47:15
  Speaker 20: all together. Why don't we reserve one pub in Sydney
• 47:19
  Speaker 20: that has all the restrictions, call it COVID World, where
• 47:23
  Speaker 20: you can go there and just remember how dumb it was.
• 47:27
  Speaker 20: You know, as soon as you walk in, someone gives
• 47:29
  Speaker 20: you a backhand because your mask isn't in place. You know,
• 47:32
  Speaker 20: you've got to set four feet apart. People are counting
• 47:35
  Speaker 20: heads to make sure there's no more than nine people
• 47:37
  Speaker 20: per whatever square meter each there was. And then you'll
• 47:41
  Speaker 20: have to just just make a COVID world and we
• 47:43
  Speaker 20: can experience the horrors of that incredibly stupid time in
• 47:46
  Speaker 20: this country.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: It's brilliant. You'd have to have a mask on so
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: you couldn't recognize it on might sneak a drink under
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: your mask. You wouldn't be allowed to look at the sunset,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to get on the beers.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: You just sit there with a.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Dumb Look here under your mask, you'd be looking at
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Ryan presumably Mark.
• 48:04
  Speaker 16: Yeah, and it's the only pub in the country there
• 48:06
  Speaker 16: to treat you like a child, because that's what they're doing. Really,
• 48:10
  Speaker 16: make sure you hold your beer with two hands. Guys,
• 48:12
  Speaker 16: you've got sippy cups to drink your pints out of.
• 48:14
  Speaker 16: And if you're stuff up, but you ground it in
• 48:15
  Speaker 16: the corner. Time out, that's enough.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Oh what a horrible place to be.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just briefly, just briefly, I got to point out
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: the latest lefty protest against Donald Trump in the US,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the calling and a mass blackout. All the lefties, all
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the lefty layabouts tim to sort of don't work for
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the day, don't spend, don't do anything. In other words,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: no one's going to notice any difference.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: None at all.
• 48:42
  Speaker 20: Does this mean they won't go to the demonstrations. I
• 48:44
  Speaker 20: mean they've just finished there no Kings demonstration, which works
• 48:48
  Speaker 20: because guess what, there's no Kings. But then again, there
• 48:52
  Speaker 20: were no Kings in the first place. It's all very confusing.
• 48:55
  Speaker 20: I don't know why they're promoting a blackout day when
• 48:57
  Speaker 20: they don't work.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Just let it roll on.
• 49:00
  Speaker 20: I mean, this is stupid as our suit our COVID
• 49:04
  Speaker 20: world pub but they don't exactly sitting.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: The world is beyond satire these days. That is the trouble.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Mark and Tim. We'll catch up
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: with you next week. Just a bit of time to
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: share some of your feedback on Trump and right and
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: albow and all the rest of it. One viewer says,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: a bit two faced from our prime minister. That's Albou
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: trying to pretend these great mates with Donald Trump. Now.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Another viewer says, Albo being in love with Trump is
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: not what I thought. It was not what I thought
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: was on the cards this year. I'm pretty confused. And
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Davo says Albo is Trump's fanboard. Now the lefties won't
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: be happy. Yeah, there'll be a bit of a backlash.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: And Sherry says President Trump is a diplomat and very perceptive.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Don't think for one minute you can't see through Albou. Indeed,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: we shall see what transpires. Thanks for joining me. I'll
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: be back next week. Stay tuned now for Peter Kredlin