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The scariest story you'll read all year | Maintaining Frame 187 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: Happy Halloween everybody, and welcome to Honeybadger Radio. My name
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Speaker 1: is Brian Allison, and this is maintaining frame number one
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Speaker 1: eight seven, which is also like the police code for murder,
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Speaker 1: which is appropriate this Friday, the sorry you'll ever read
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Speaker 1: all year.
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Speaker 2: Uhh, I said, it's all converging.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a it's an interesting coincidence. That's why
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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what to call it. And then I
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Speaker 1: looked at the number on the maintaining frame. I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: it'll be one eight seven. Yeah, yeah, that's the that's believe,
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Speaker 1: that's the murder code, but.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the murder of our civilization too, that's potentially yes.
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Speaker 1: Yes, So I am here and Allison is here, and
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Speaker 1: we're going to be looking at this article from the Atlantic,
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Speaker 1: which is ironically because the Atlantic is generally a left
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Speaker 1: leaning paper, pro feminist, you know, bit progressive, but even
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Speaker 1: they're seeing the writing on the wall. And Mark Novaco
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Speaker 1: wrote this article entitled the birth rate crisis isn't as
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Speaker 1: bad as you've heard, It's worse. So there is a
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Speaker 1: real there's the panic is beginning to set in. And
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Speaker 1: we're going to be looking at this article today and
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Speaker 1: I guess. Also the base Camp video, which is a
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Speaker 1: bit of a flip side on it because it's more optimistic.
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Speaker 2: So it describes the solution, or at least one of them,
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Speaker 2: to the decline in the birth crisis, and which is
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Speaker 2: really interesting because I had an extended conversation with a
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Speaker 2: feminist about the we.
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Speaker 1: Talked about the Yeah, we talked about this too on
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Speaker 1: the show many times. And so I'm glad that Mark
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Speaker 1: and Malcolm and Simone are sort of landing, you know,
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Speaker 1: in the same place. They're really they're smart cookies. So anyway,
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Speaker 1: so you guys might have noticed that things are a
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Speaker 1: little bit different. I have made things a little bit
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Speaker 1: more of festive on our screen here, so we have
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Speaker 1: a little bit of halloweeny background, and I have like
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Speaker 1: a jack o' lantern. It's like right there, Yeah, eat it.
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Speaker 1: I never made a jack o lamb before. It's my
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Speaker 1: first time. I stuck to the basics. So that's a
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Speaker 1: real jack o lanner made from a real pumpkin back there.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, cool I have I didn't do anything. I
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Speaker 2: usually put up my zero little dog ghost. Yeah, unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: you know what, you know what, here's here's my Lucy
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Speaker 2: skull there you go. Maybe I'll just hold this.
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Speaker 1: All right, No, don't don't do that. I have like
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Speaker 1: a skull on my shelf too, as well as this
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Speaker 1: eyeball thing that like is motion activated. It's like a
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Speaker 1: crystal ball with an eye inside of it and if
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Speaker 1: you walk past it, the eye opens and it talks,
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Speaker 1: but it just goes off like every like thirty seconds.
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Speaker 1: So I just I'm just leaving it off. Just trust me.
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Speaker 1: There's an eyeball behind me as well. Scary eyeball.
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Speaker 3: Scary, yes, But let's anyway with that out of the way,
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Speaker 3: let's I guess like you do the things, yes, and
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Speaker 3: get into the story, into the topic.
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Speaker 2: So let's let's just get started.
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Speaker 1: All right. So this is oh by the way out,
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Speaker 1: and I have a unfortunately, like this show can't go
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Speaker 1: longer than an hour and a half. I have a
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Speaker 1: guy delivering me a dining room set that we bought
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Speaker 1: on the marketplace, and you know, I gotta be at
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Speaker 1: he's gonna drop it off at two thirty and then
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Speaker 1: I got to go right from there to go get Lindsay.
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Speaker 1: So all right, so the Atlantic the birth rate crisis
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Speaker 1: isn't as bad as you've heard. It's worse. Humanity is
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Speaker 1: set to start shrinking several decades ahead of schedule. By
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Speaker 1: Mark Novakov again, what do we mean? But first of
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Speaker 1: all ahead of schedule. So like, you guys, did you
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Speaker 1: have plans for the humanity to shrink and it's just
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Speaker 1: happening faster than you thought. Is that the issue? I
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Speaker 1: don't know, But.
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Speaker 2: Basically they had population projections and they included some s
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Speaker 2: that probably weren't supported. So that's that's what that means. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we could go with the uh, the World trade No, no,
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Speaker 2: what is it? The WEF interpretation? The world economical interpretation,
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Speaker 2: which is that you know, we want population decline. Not
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Speaker 2: so sure about that, but it is it is so
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Speaker 2: essentially what that means is they had a projection. It's
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Speaker 2: worse than that projection. Yeah, so let's let's find out
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Speaker 2: what those what those mistaken assumptions were that led to
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Speaker 2: the rosy optimism of you know, the human race basically
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Speaker 2: starting to shrink in two thousand and I think seventy
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Speaker 2: five or something. So go ahead, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, So first the bad news. Global fertility is falling fast.
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Speaker 1: The aging populations of rich countries are relying on ever
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Speaker 1: fewer workers to support their economy, dooming those younger generations
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Speaker 1: to a future of higher taxes, high or debt, or
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Speaker 1: later retirement or all three birth rates are in. Middle
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Speaker 1: income countries are also plummeting, putting their economic development at risk.
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Speaker 1: Practically the only countries set to continue growing are desperately poor.
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Speaker 2: For a while. About that they're continued, They're going to
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Speaker 2: continue to grow for a little bit, and then they
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Speaker 2: will cease. Actually, before we continue, just double check to
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Speaker 2: make sure that it's going out through Twitter, because there
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Speaker 2: has been issues with that.
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Speaker 1: I yeah, I checked. Yeah, I checked it for the
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Speaker 1: show I did yesterday. It was there.
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Speaker 2: But let's say, yeah, I had to. I had to
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Speaker 2: actually I had to actually, oh no, it is okay,
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Speaker 2: it scat's there. I see it all right, excellent, So
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Speaker 2: whatever fix I did worked permanently.
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Speaker 1: I guess. I guess it was a Twitter thing. Then
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Speaker 1: I don't have access to your account on Twitter right now.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, let's keep going.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, by about twenty eighty four, according to the
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Speaker 1: gold standard United Nations World Population Prospects, that's a okay again,
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Speaker 1: you're you're giving a lot of credibility to the United Nations,
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Speaker 1: But okay, the global population will officially begin its decline.
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Speaker 1: Rich countries will have will all have become like Japan,
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Speaker 1: stagnant and aging and the rest of the world will
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Speaker 1: have become old before it ever got the chance to
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Speaker 1: become rich.
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Speaker 2: Mmm that's nice.
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Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, what go ahead, Well that's nice.
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Speaker 2: I mean basically, the Western nation sort of pulled the
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Speaker 2: ladder up behind them, And also that means that we're
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Speaker 2: going to have a relatively comfortable decline while they are
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Speaker 2: probably going to be plunged into horrific squalor so yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: us huh.
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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I guess that's one way to frame it.
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Speaker 1: The thing is too with Japan. You know, they were
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Speaker 1: the canary in the coal mine with regards to the
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Speaker 1: issues between men and women would be herbivore, men being
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Speaker 1: essentially the precursors to migtao as as far as it
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Speaker 1: being recognized on a grand scale. So maybe there's a
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Speaker 1: relationship there. Maybe Japan's problems that were going on like
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Speaker 1: way like way before, Maybe there's a relationship. Maybe it's
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Speaker 1: something we should have been looking at. And again I
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Speaker 1: don't even I'm not even sure that Japan's problems within
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Speaker 1: that regard are ideological per se, because it's not like,
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Speaker 1: you know, feminism is like a massive thing there. So
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Speaker 1: it's really just like I guess just the something about
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Speaker 1: the relationship between men and women in that country. Uh. Anyway, though,
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Speaker 1: sorry did I say bad news? That was actually the
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Speaker 1: good news based on estimates that turned out to be
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Speaker 1: far too rosy. Every two years, the UN's demographics revised
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Speaker 1: their population projections, and for the past ten years they've
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Speaker 1: always had to revise in the same direction down. Next
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Speaker 1: year they'll do so again. In reality, the worldwide population
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Speaker 1: decline is set to begin decades ahead of their expectation
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Speaker 1: because global fertility trends are much worse than they and
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Speaker 1: probably you think.
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Speaker 2: I I prop my problem. My estimations were probably even
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Speaker 2: more pessimistic, just because I know that it's going to
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Speaker 2: be a force multiplier once you reach a critical point,
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Speaker 2: especially in cultures that are, you know, infested with feminism,
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Speaker 2: It's going to become a force force multiplier once the
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Speaker 2: the tar pit of the party of single women and
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Speaker 2: they're all reinforcing their own attitudes towards marriage and family.
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Speaker 2: Once it reaches a critical mass, there's like almost no
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Speaker 2: stopping it. So yeah, I always had a pessimistic projection
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Speaker 2: because I knew that embracing the notion that men and
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Speaker 2: women are defined through oppression, the relationship between men and women,
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Speaker 2: the complementary and relationship that is the foundation of of
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Speaker 2: all of our societies, all of our progress, even the
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Speaker 2: concept of economy. What do you think the first exchange
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Speaker 2: system was between men and women. That's the very foundation
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Speaker 2: of our economy. And reframing all of that complementarianism in
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Speaker 2: terms of oppression was going to destroy everything was because
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Speaker 2: everything is relies upon that trust and that sense of
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Speaker 2: mutual reliance. And we destroyed it because and get this, guys,
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Speaker 2: we destroyed it because somehow in whenever this began, I
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Speaker 2: guess the real critical thing started in like the sixties,
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Speaker 2: feminists essentially said, how do we define gender roles or
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Speaker 2: that is, the relationship between men and women in such
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Speaker 2: a way that it benefits feminism literally said that, and
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Speaker 2: nobody at that time said, wait, that sounds like it
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Speaker 2: could be dangerous. Maybe maybe we shouldn't give feminism complete
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Speaker 2: control over the engine of society and then allow them
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Speaker 2: to define it in whatever way benefits them. Maybe this
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Speaker 2: won't turn out well for us, and shock it didn't.
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Speaker 2: And I know Japan is a different situation, but I
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Speaker 2: think it does have its own kind of brand of
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Speaker 2: feminism and the other thing is that what it's really
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Speaker 2: facing is this complete economic stagnation, and that itself also
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Speaker 2: yields problems with family formation. So if there's no upward mobility,
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Speaker 2: families don't tend to form. If there's no legacy, families
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Speaker 2: don't tend to form. And the other thing with family
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Speaker 2: law in Japan is, from what I recall, it does
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Speaker 2: have a feature that would tend towards not encouraging stable
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Speaker 2: birth a birth rate, and we can get into what
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Speaker 2: that that will be. But so there are something there's
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Speaker 2: something really critical going on here. And once we get
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Speaker 2: to the second thing that I want to talk about,
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Speaker 2: which is which is Malcolm and Simon space Camp. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: discussion of this, then we uh, then we can we
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Speaker 2: can talk about that. But let's let's finish off the article.
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Speaker 1: So Jesus Fernandez villa Verde, a University of Pennsylvania micro
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Speaker 1: macroeconomists studies how poor countries develop. This development usually happens
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Speaker 1: alongside a fertility transition. As people move from rural areas
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Speaker 1: to cities, their economic opportunities expand and kids become less
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Speaker 1: crucial as a source of agricultural labor. Women gain access
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Speaker 1: to contraception and education. They go from having about six
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Speaker 1: kids on average to two. Fernandez villa Verde calls this
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Speaker 1: the standard modernization story, and he's been teaching it for decades.
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Speaker 2: Hm hmm, okay, yeah, yeah, keep going or yeah, well,
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Speaker 2: I mean it's gaining access to contraception and of course
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Speaker 2: the Atlantic.
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Speaker 1: Education, education and education.
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Speaker 2: I wonder what's hiding in that word education.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because like I don't know if having children, like
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Speaker 1: if ag is the need if Okay, let me back up.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that the need for agricultural labor is
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Speaker 1: the primary force behind people deciding to have children. I
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Speaker 1: think it's just the desire to have family. But if
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Speaker 1: you go and if you go get educated somewhere, maybe
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Speaker 1: that will be the way that it's spun. So women
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Speaker 1: get access to education in a city and then contraception
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Speaker 1: and then they stop having children. Maybe they were can.
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Speaker 1: I think the education is probably the big part of
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Speaker 1: that though.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, there's a lot hiding in that
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Speaker 2: word education. Yeah, a lot of Greeks in that.
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Speaker 1: The education is doing a lot of heavy lifting. All right,
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Speaker 1: So let's uh, I got Gary Thomas gave us a
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Speaker 1: super child. Super child, Sorry for five dollars, and he says,
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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. But wasn't there an academic
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Speaker 1: who predicted that if humanity kept growing at its rate,
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Speaker 1: then the Earth would run out of natural resources. Every
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Speaker 1: developed country in the world employed policies to discourage people
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Speaker 1: from having more children. None of the predictions, said academic made.
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Speaker 1: None of the predictions said academic made come came true,
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Speaker 1: and he is still employed in some American universities. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: it's harder to convince people to have more children than
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Speaker 1: to convince men to have to have less. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: kind of yeah, that's what we're getting at. I think
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Speaker 1: that the fear mongering about overpopulation is just one of
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Speaker 1: the many ways that they that people try to engineer
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Speaker 1: humans to have less kids. And it's I think it's
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Speaker 1: effective on women in particular. And now we're reaping the rewards,
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Speaker 1: well not yet, but it's coming, right, it's coming, So
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Speaker 1: we're going to rewards of it. Yeah, that does happen.
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Speaker 1: The people who do have kids will actually be the
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Speaker 1: ones that will be able to weather that storm because
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Speaker 1: they'll be able to like work together, like you know,
15:23
Speaker 1: before we had industrialization to survive, so like all of
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Speaker 1: that I think the people who are having kids are
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Speaker 1: actually going to do better than the ones were not.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, or anyone who actually is related to
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Speaker 2: to pushing back against the shame that we place on men,
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Speaker 2: I think because ultimately that's the only place where a
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Speaker 2: solution is going to come from the crucible of saying no,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to I'm not going to be pressured
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Speaker 2: out of Recognizing that women are to blame does mean
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Speaker 2: that they're the only ones to blame, although they do
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Speaker 2: have a lot of blame to take now because there's
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Speaker 2: you know, it's like a dam. There's a lot of
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Speaker 2: pressure behind the dam because we haven't been doing it
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Speaker 2: for so long. But yeah, that you know, the people
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Speaker 2: who are willing to stand up and say no, I
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Speaker 2: am not going to be influenced by women's egos and
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Speaker 2: women's feelings to deny the truth of what is happening,
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Speaker 2: and that those are people like us. We're few and
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Speaker 2: far between, guys. We're a rare species. We have gills
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Speaker 2: and we can breathe underwater. But the truth is that
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Speaker 2: the solution can only come from the rare species, the
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Speaker 2: rare prototypes. Shall we say, okay, let's keep going.
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Speaker 1: Much of Fernandez villa Verde's research focuses on Latin America
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Speaker 1: and an economically middling region where one would expect middling
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Speaker 1: fertility rates. In recent years, however, births in some Central
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Speaker 1: and South American countries have plummeted to rates far lower
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Speaker 1: than most rich countries, in defiance of the standard modernization story.
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Speaker 1: Each year, Fernandez villa Verde updates his data on Latin
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Speaker 1: American birth rates, which he gathers from the country's official
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Speaker 1: birth statistics in preparation for a class he teaches about
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Speaker 1: the region's economic history. He first began noticing in twenty
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Speaker 1: nineteen that the un was too optimistic, but only in
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Speaker 1: the past few years did the discrepancies become downright alarming.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And a lot of this is I mean,
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Speaker 2: you could say that a good portion of what propelled
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Speaker 2: the richer nations into having fewer children was simply, you know,
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Speaker 2: prosperity and increased you know, doing whatever, increased entertainment and
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Speaker 2: all of this kind of stuff. But what is propelling
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Speaker 2: Latin America into even lower fertility? That's the question. What's
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Speaker 2: causing that? It's not the same thing, And I don't
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Speaker 2: know if there's a significantly more economic stagnation in Latin America,
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Speaker 2: or maybe there's significantly more of something starting with the
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Speaker 2: letter F.
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Speaker 1: Do they mean, yeah, Latin America is in South America
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Speaker 1: because I.
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Speaker 2: No, I think it also includes Mexico maybe, well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Mexico.
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Speaker 2: Mexican birth rates are they that?
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Speaker 1: I just yeah, they're probably low. I think it's all
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Speaker 1: because if there's a lot of like socialist countries, I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure people have a lot of kids in those
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Speaker 1: kind of countries. Because at one point.
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Speaker 2: Nine that Mexico is at one point nine to one,
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Speaker 2: so it's doing better than the US and probably better
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Speaker 2: than And if it's doing better than the US, then
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Speaker 2: it's probably doing better than Latin America. Go figure, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, all right, definitely better than South Korea. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: much of Fernandez? Did I read that?
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Speaker 2: Pit?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I did.
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Speaker 1: For twenty twenty four, the UN have projected seven hundred
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Speaker 1: and one thousand berths in Colombia. It had with the
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Speaker 1: chance of the number of births being lower than five
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three thousand at only two point five percent.
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Speaker 1: In the end, Columbia saw only four hundred forty five
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Speaker 1: thousand berths in twenty twenty four. That translates to a
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Speaker 1: fertility rate of one point zero six berths per woman,
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Speaker 1: down to more than down more than half from two
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Yeah, even lower.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is plummeting. Okay, continue.
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Speaker 1: At current rates one hundred reproductive age, Chileans can expect
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Speaker 1: to have fifty two children and only twenty seven grandchildren. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Demographers generally consider a birth rate of about two point
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Speaker 1: one to be replacement level, or the point at which
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Speaker 1: a society doesn't shrink. That's like breaking even from one
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Speaker 1: generation to the next. The discrepancies were not limited to
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Speaker 1: South America. In twenty twenty four, Poland's berths were also
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Speaker 1: below the two point five percent probability cut off, as
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Speaker 1: were Estonias and Cubas and a band.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I corrected you on a word?
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Speaker 1: Well, it's it's not a word. It's a place.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it is a word like that is
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Speaker 2: a word.
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Speaker 1: It's a place. It's a place.
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Speaker 2: But I actually corrected you on something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me have this.
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Speaker 2: Okay, continue, Okay, And.
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Speaker 1: Sri Lanka and Egypt, these supposed outlier results aren't outliers
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Speaker 1: at all. The world is just not having as many
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Speaker 1: babies as the u N have thought it would, so
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Speaker 1: like the you but like the u N. Well, I mean,
20:41
Speaker 1: I know they're not gonna they're not gonna like say
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Speaker 1: what is what They don't even speculate on what the
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Speaker 1: cause might be because the u N is a part
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Speaker 1: of the problem if you asked me, Like the u
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Speaker 1: N created the problem, and then they're measuring the problem
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Speaker 1: that they create and they're like, wow, this is actually
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Speaker 1: like this is at all.
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Speaker 2: Like yeah, they are. They are allowed to just put
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Speaker 2: up whatever they want in terms of their projections, and
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Speaker 2: we're going to get into more of why this is incorrect. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, exactly right, Like the UN investigated itself and
21:17
Speaker 2: found that it was blameless or not even that the
21:19
Speaker 2: UN investigated the problem that the UN caused, which we're
21:22
Speaker 2: not going to talk about, and the UN found that
21:24
Speaker 2: the problem was a lot less than you know, it's it's.
21:26
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not really a problem at all. Really, you know,
21:31
Speaker 1: it's a solution to say, you know what, this is
21:33
Speaker 1: actually worse than we thought. It's still not your fault,
21:38
Speaker 1: U N. It's nothing to do with you. You guys just
21:41
Speaker 1: didn't do the math, right, that's all.
21:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, So digging into the UN's model, Fernandez villa Verde
21:51
Speaker 1: found something even stranger. For every For nearly every low
21:55
Speaker 1: fertility country, the UN projects either one of two outcomes.
22:00
Speaker 1: The fertility rate will flatten or will rise to a
22:04
Speaker 1: number somewhere between one and two births per woman, still
22:09
Speaker 1: below replacement level, but not quite as catastrophic. The United
22:13
Speaker 1: States is in the first category. Our fertility rate has
22:17
Speaker 1: fallen steadily since the Great Recession, from two point one
22:21
Speaker 1: to one point six. One might therefore expect the decline
22:25
Speaker 1: to continue, But the UN projects that the US rate
22:28
Speaker 1: birth rate will stay flat, not just this year, but
22:31
Speaker 1: also in twenty twenty six and twenty thirty and twenty
22:35
Speaker 1: sixty and twenty ninety, never rising above one point seven
22:40
Speaker 1: or dipping below one point six. I want a job
22:46
Speaker 1: at the UN. I mean, it sounds like really easy
22:49
Speaker 1: to do. I can just make things up. Yeah, yeah,
22:52
Speaker 1: I can just make shit up.
22:53
Speaker 2: Oh, they have a logic to this. It's just ridiculous.
22:58
Speaker 2: It's like the Chebacca defense.
23:00
Speaker 1: Did they did they explain the logic?
23:03
Speaker 2: Yes, they're going to explain.
23:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do expl logic.
23:06
Speaker 2: So we can have a good we can have a
23:08
Speaker 2: good chuckle over it.
23:09
Speaker 1: Okay, I kind of want to know what they're gonna like,
23:12
Speaker 1: how they're gonna explain this. In the other category are
23:15
Speaker 1: countries such as Thailand, whose fertility rate has been falling
23:19
Speaker 1: for seventy two years and has never stopped for longer
23:22
Speaker 1: than a single year. Nonetheless, there are the UN product Sorry, nonetheless,
23:29
Speaker 1: there the UN projects a demographic miracle. Starting in two years,
23:33
Speaker 1: the country's birth rate will begin to climb, first slowly
23:37
Speaker 1: and then a little more quickly, finishing out the century
23:40
Speaker 1: with a birth rate of one point four to five,
23:42
Speaker 1: up from its projected twenty twenty four low of one
23:45
Speaker 1: point two. Still not good, though.
23:51
Speaker 2: None of this is good news.
23:53
Speaker 1: No, no, it's gonna go up. It's gonna go up,
23:57
Speaker 1: but it's still gonna below replacement.
23:58
Speaker 2: It's just like the difference between you have your foot
24:05
Speaker 2: in a bear trap and you're gonna have to cut
24:07
Speaker 2: your foot off to actually get out of it, or
24:09
Speaker 2: you have your entire leg in a bear trap and
24:12
Speaker 2: you're probably have to cut your well. Actually, no, you
24:15
Speaker 2: have your entire body up to the neck in a
24:17
Speaker 2: bear trap, and your kid's gonna have to die.
24:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, so sort of.
24:21
Speaker 2: The The good news is that only your foot is
24:24
Speaker 2: in the bear trap. That's the UN projections. The bad
24:27
Speaker 2: news that no, actually it's your neck in the UN
24:30
Speaker 2: is just lying to you. Oh man, Okay, let's keep going.
24:35
Speaker 1: Every part of that appears to be wrong in reality.
24:39
Speaker 1: Thailand's reported birth rate last year was zero point nine eight,
24:43
Speaker 1: and a preliminary twenty twenty five data show the decline continuing.
24:48
Speaker 1: In a country the size of Thailand, the difference between
24:51
Speaker 1: the UN's projection and the real fertility rate throughout the
24:54
Speaker 1: twenty first century will amount to millions of people who
24:58
Speaker 1: will never be born all in all, as Fernandez villa
25:02
Speaker 1: Verde recently explained at a research symposium in London, humanity
25:06
Speaker 1: won't start to shrink in twenty eighty four. It'll start
25:10
Speaker 1: to shrink in twenty fifty five, if.
25:12
Speaker 2: Not sooner, probably sooner.
25:15
Speaker 1: I'm thinking sooner too. I'll last something changes, Yes.
25:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, something massive change, something cultural has to change, and
25:24
Speaker 2: it has to be a massive and widespread change. And
25:29
Speaker 2: at at some point, at some point, developing nations and
25:34
Speaker 2: Latin America, I don't know, I guess develop the sort
25:38
Speaker 2: of middle nations between developing. At some point they're going
25:41
Speaker 2: to realize that first first world nations are poaching their
25:46
Speaker 2: population m hm, and that they're going to realize that,
25:52
Speaker 2: and the immigration may end up reversing. So people, and
25:57
Speaker 2: even not even because of in the US, immigration will
26:02
Speaker 2: end up reversing because the countries that they're immigrating to
26:05
Speaker 2: will have no economic opportunities, will be destabilized, and they'll
26:10
Speaker 2: just go back where they can be with their extended
26:13
Speaker 2: families and and have economic opportunities or at least the
26:18
Speaker 2: same amount. Right, So it may end up that and
26:21
Speaker 2: also policies may in those countries may start to severely
26:26
Speaker 2: discourage immigration once they start waking though their politics. Politicians
26:31
Speaker 2: start waking up to the fact that Western nations are
26:35
Speaker 2: dealing with their their decline and birth rate by essentially
26:39
Speaker 2: poaching other populations. And I know that that doesn't like
26:44
Speaker 2: I don't mean to offend anyone, but that is what
26:47
Speaker 2: we're doing. That's what politicians are doing. I mean, not
26:51
Speaker 2: not Trump and on the right, but politicians on the
26:53
Speaker 2: left and some I guess on the right, and certainly
26:56
Speaker 2: politicians and other nations are literally poaching other popular relations
27:00
Speaker 2: to try to deal with the fertility crisis in the West,
27:04
Speaker 2: and at some point those populations are going to wise up. Yeah,
27:09
Speaker 2: realize that that's what's happening.
27:10
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, I mean that's why I'm for, like,
27:14
Speaker 1: you know, people like working on their home countries because
27:18
Speaker 1: I'm the immigration him and it is it is ultimately
27:22
Speaker 1: for their benefit as well.
27:24
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, where they build up their own countries. And
27:26
Speaker 2: it's alsoly also ultimately we need to solve this, like
27:31
Speaker 2: we need we need to have a solution. I have
27:34
Speaker 2: some suggestions that I think would help, and we'll get
27:37
Speaker 2: to that, but we need to solve this, and we
27:40
Speaker 2: need to solve it in probably in Western nations that
27:44
Speaker 2: already have the advantage, significant advantages. Okay, So it's not
27:49
Speaker 2: going to come from it's not going to come from
27:51
Speaker 2: those nations that are already reproducing because they're more subsistence level,
27:56
Speaker 2: Nor is it going to come from the middle nations
27:58
Speaker 2: that have imploded. It's got to come from us, in
28:02
Speaker 2: my opinion, let's continue, Okay.
28:08
Speaker 1: All in all, as Fernandez Villaverde recently explained in a
28:11
Speaker 1: research symposium in London, humanity won't start to shrink in
28:13
Speaker 1: twenty eighty four. It'll start to shrink in twenty fifty
28:15
Speaker 1: five and if not sooner. There are two types of people.
28:18
Speaker 1: Alice Evans, a British professor who studies failing fertility around
28:21
Speaker 1: the world, posted on x after reading Fernandez vla Verde's presentation,
28:25
Speaker 1: those not bothered about demographics and those who've had Jesus
28:30
Speaker 1: or Jesus's slides we've read read I'm sorry those who've
28:36
Speaker 1: read Jesus's slides. The UN has a simple explanation for
28:41
Speaker 1: its optimistic projections. Fertility has rebounded in the past, so
28:45
Speaker 1: it will rebound.
28:46
Speaker 2: Again, not without a significant look at ourselves and what
28:53
Speaker 2: we're doing. Okay, is not going to happen unless we
28:57
Speaker 2: employ some serious self awareness and start analyzing what we're
29:03
Speaker 2: doing wrong. I mean, it could rebound, right, Maybe there
29:10
Speaker 2: are ways to deal with at least like a population
29:14
Speaker 2: that doesn't have replacement but still has the social and
29:21
Speaker 2: spiritual flexibility to deal with the future. Like we could
29:25
Speaker 2: probably work out something that way, but not with what
29:28
Speaker 2: we're doing now, okay.
29:33
Speaker 1: In Belarus, for example, the fertility rate in nineteen eighty
29:36
Speaker 1: eight was at replacement level. It fell to an abysmal
29:39
Speaker 1: one point two to two only nine years later, but
29:42
Speaker 1: then it rebounded all the way up to one point
29:44
Speaker 1: seventy three by twenty fifteen. Australia's birth rate fell to
29:49
Speaker 1: one point seven in two thousand and one, only to
29:53
Speaker 1: bounce back to two point zero in two thousand and eight.
29:57
Speaker 1: France's rate followed a similar trajectory during the same period,
30:01
Speaker 1: as did Italy's and Sweden's. To the extent you think
30:04
Speaker 1: the world population prospects are wrong, that is the extent
30:08
Speaker 1: to which you are saying this time is different Lyman Stone,
30:12
Speaker 1: a PhD student and birth rate consultant, told me.
30:16
Speaker 2: Okay, so essentially what's happened is there are some countries
30:20
Speaker 2: that did experience a recovery in their birth rates. So
30:24
Speaker 2: the UN, for absolutely no apparent reason, has decided that
30:29
Speaker 2: all countries will experience a recovery in their birth rate
30:34
Speaker 2: without analyzing why that recovery happened and if there are
30:38
Speaker 2: similar circumstances in those countries to encourage it. The UN
30:44
Speaker 2: is just picking up the idiot ball and running with
30:47
Speaker 2: it right here. Okay, next paragraph.
30:52
Speaker 1: Okay, The thing is this time really does look different.
30:57
Speaker 1: Birth rates in Australia and France and Italy, and we
31:00
Speaker 1: have now fallen to all time lows, excluding during World
31:04
Speaker 1: War One. In France's case, Belarus, a one time redemption story,
31:08
Speaker 1: recorded a fertility rate of just one point one last year,
31:13
Speaker 1: lower than the lowest lows the country experience. In the
31:16
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, deaths outnumbered berths by nearly two to one.
31:21
Speaker 1: If a rebound is coming, there are no signs of it.
31:23
Speaker 1: Fernandez villa Verde estimates that the world is already below
31:27
Speaker 1: replacement fertility. The population is just not projected but guaranteed
31:32
Speaker 1: to shrink if things don't change. That was not the
31:35
Speaker 1: case in the nineteen nineties.
31:37
Speaker 2: We had a chance, Okay. Yeah, and again the UN
31:46
Speaker 2: is using these recoveries and they're assuming that that's going
31:51
Speaker 2: to be the case. Even though the countries that they're
31:54
Speaker 2: looking at that recovered, many of them just went down.
31:57
Speaker 2: So it was what they call, in like stock markets,
32:00
Speaker 2: a dead cat bounce. So if the stocks hit the floor,
32:04
Speaker 2: you just imagine that the cat is dead and it
32:06
Speaker 2: bounces that that that's probably what happened with the fertility
32:10
Speaker 2: rate in these countries. Yeah, and again, there's no analysis
32:16
Speaker 2: as to why there might have been a rebound. Maybe
32:19
Speaker 2: those countries had traditional expectations or traditional systems that enabled it.
32:26
Speaker 2: Maybe there was a reduction and well some of those
32:30
Speaker 2: countries seem to have been communists and may have changed
32:32
Speaker 2: to not communists. Maybe that hadn't something to do with it,
32:36
Speaker 2: you know, So we got to look into why that happened.
32:39
Speaker 2: Can't just assume that it's going to happen everywhere magically.
32:44
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, it's the UN we're talking about. So, yeah,
32:49
Speaker 1: they're not they No, it's true. They're literally like a
32:54
Speaker 1: kind of a cult. But anyway, the UNS model hasn't
32:58
Speaker 1: adjusted to the new normal. If a country has ever
33:02
Speaker 1: experienced a fertility increase, as Australia and France and Belarus have,
33:06
Speaker 1: then its birth rate is assumed to be stable. If
33:09
Speaker 1: a country has never experienced an increase, then the model
33:12
Speaker 1: assumes that it will at some point once fertility gets
33:15
Speaker 1: low enough. In other words, the model assumes is as
33:19
Speaker 1: its end state a stable and modest number of births.
33:23
Speaker 1: This is perhaps a reflection of humanistic optimism. There is
33:27
Speaker 1: at some point a minimum social capacity to adapt and
33:30
Speaker 1: eventually at least address some of the concerns or challenges
33:33
Speaker 1: that exist in that country. Patrick Gerland, the cheap author
33:37
Speaker 1: of World population Prospects told me the people living in
33:41
Speaker 1: those countries don't necessarily want their country to totally disappear. Yeah,
33:47
Speaker 1: But like the thing is, I don't think a lot
33:51
Speaker 1: of people are thinking about it in that macro scale.
33:54
Speaker 1: Like they're just looking at their life and they're saying, well,
33:57
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. Women are like, I'm basically pursuing
34:02
Speaker 1: my career. I'm getting my bag, I'm like doing these
34:05
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have kids. Kids are gonna drag me down,
34:07
Speaker 1: kids are gonna hold me back. They're gonna prevent me
34:09
Speaker 1: from like truly being liberated and free and independent. I'm
34:12
Speaker 1: not gonna do that. I'm sure men are looking to
34:15
Speaker 1: have kids, but even when you are looking to have kids,
34:19
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily doing it because you're like, oh, I'm
34:22
Speaker 1: looking at the fertility rates in my country and replace
34:25
Speaker 1: we're below replacement. I gotta make babies. No. I mean,
34:28
Speaker 1: men make babies because they have a biological drive to
34:32
Speaker 1: do it, and when women want it, they do too.
34:35
Speaker 1: But I think that women have been h propaganda ised
34:39
Speaker 1: to not want kids or to think that they don't
34:41
Speaker 1: need them and put it off and wait or whatever.
34:44
Speaker 1: I mean, you ever see the movie everybody talks about ideocracy?
34:47
Speaker 2: Right?
34:48
Speaker 1: You ever see Idiocracy, Allison h a movie where they
34:52
Speaker 1: show like the smart couple and they're like putting off
34:56
Speaker 1: having kids and then they're like talking of freezing their
34:58
Speaker 1: eggs and for and their and whatever, and what it's
35:02
Speaker 1: what it was trying to say is that only dumb
35:04
Speaker 1: people are gonna have babies, and therefore the world's gonna
35:07
Speaker 1: be run by dumb by dumb people because dumb people
35:09
Speaker 1: are having babies. But I think that the mistake is
35:13
Speaker 1: not that it was the smart people or people who
35:16
Speaker 1: thought they were smart, holding off because they wanted to
35:19
Speaker 1: focus on their careers, and in particular women doing that
35:23
Speaker 1: that because and I say that, because women's fertility is
35:27
Speaker 1: a window and there's only so much time, and they're
35:30
Speaker 1: and they're told that they don't have to worry about that,
35:33
Speaker 1: and that you know, there are stories of women who
35:35
Speaker 1: are in their sixties that have babies and there, and
35:38
Speaker 1: they put that all over the news. So they're telling
35:40
Speaker 1: women it's okay, you can wait, but they you can't wait,
35:43
Speaker 1: Like at least you should be, let me put it
35:46
Speaker 1: another way, you should be taking it into serious consideration
35:52
Speaker 1: because Ultimately, women are the gatekeepers of reproduction and so
35:58
Speaker 1: like you know that, and that's a responsibility that women
36:02
Speaker 1: have that we have essentially just erased. So like even
36:06
Speaker 1: me bringing it up could trigger people in our special
36:09
Speaker 1: chat for example, that I would even say that. But
36:12
Speaker 1: it's true, Like it's true.
36:15
Speaker 2: So yeah, how many methods do women have to prevent
36:19
Speaker 2: reproduction at this point? Sorry, guys, it's true. And how
36:23
Speaker 2: much ankst is over? I don't know Texas even reducing one. Okay,
36:29
Speaker 2: let's uh, let's do the next paragraph. Okay, so no,
36:34
Speaker 2: I think it's the middle of this paragraph.
36:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't finish it.
36:38
Speaker 2: That's okay, it's a long paragraph.
36:41
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I read the paragraph because it would
36:43
Speaker 1: be because this guy Patrick Gerland was trying to say that, well,
36:46
Speaker 1: you know, people don't necessarily want their country to disappear. Well,
36:49
Speaker 1: of course people don't want that, but if but if
36:51
Speaker 1: they don't know that not having kids is actually disappearing
36:54
Speaker 1: your country because they don't they don't they don't typically
36:57
Speaker 1: think in that scale, Like they're just looking at their situation,
37:01
Speaker 1: you know, me and my relationships and my children. They're
37:05
Speaker 1: not looking at the big picture. So if they put
37:06
Speaker 1: it off. Most likely when people don't have kids, like
37:10
Speaker 1: women don't have kids, they're just thinking, well, that other
37:12
Speaker 1: lady's going to have kids, so I'm not going to
37:13
Speaker 1: have kids, like I don't like, I don't have to
37:15
Speaker 1: do it. Somebody else is going to do it, right,
37:17
Speaker 1: And if everyone is doing that, if everybody's saying, well,
37:20
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it, somebody else is going
37:21
Speaker 1: to do it, well, guess what nobody's done it?
37:23
Speaker 2: Well, it's not even like Honestly, when I listen to
37:26
Speaker 2: what women are saying there, many of them are saying, well,
37:30
Speaker 2: I'm just going to get my bag. I'm going to
37:32
Speaker 2: enjoy my career. I'm going to enjoy my girlfriends and
37:34
Speaker 2: dating and having sex with a man that I find
37:38
Speaker 2: intensely sexually desirable rather than someone I can actually get
37:42
Speaker 2: to commit to me. Because honestly, like literally, of course,
37:46
Speaker 2: women are going to feel intense sexual desire for a
37:48
Speaker 2: man who's like four freaking standard deviations of attractiveness above them,
37:54
Speaker 2: and our current dating landscape allows that, and then they
37:58
Speaker 2: compare that level of tractiveness to someone who is on
38:01
Speaker 2: their same level and they're like, oh wow, I don't
38:03
Speaker 2: even feel any attractiveness. Yeah, bullshit, lady, you've just experienced
38:07
Speaker 2: tdonic adaptation. Anyway, But this is why, this is why
38:13
Speaker 2: peasant girls weren't allowed to go after princes. Yeah, like
38:18
Speaker 2: they're just like, no, you smell like pig shit and
38:21
Speaker 2: you have shoulders like an orc. No, thank you, lady.
38:26
Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, So, ultimately, what I hear from
38:31
Speaker 2: women is that they don't have to do this. This
38:36
Speaker 2: is not their job, even though it is literally their job.
38:41
Speaker 2: This literally your evolutionary appointed job, ladies, is to have children,
38:46
Speaker 2: just like it's men's evolutionarily appointed job to protect and
38:49
Speaker 2: provide for those children and also engage in fatherly activities
38:53
Speaker 2: to raise them into functional adulthood, as we see from
38:56
Speaker 2: the statistics. So but they say no, no, I don't want
39:00
Speaker 2: to have children, or rather, they don't feel like they
39:05
Speaker 2: have any sense of loyalty to this culture, because this
39:09
Speaker 2: culture is a horrible patriarchy that's oppressed women since the
39:12
Speaker 2: dawn of time. And when I say, well, then you're
39:15
Speaker 2: essentially consigning to the trash bin of history the only
39:19
Speaker 2: culture that's given you rights, they say, well, those rights
39:22
Speaker 2: are the bare minimum, and we don't know anybody any
39:27
Speaker 2: about anything for having offered them to us. And it's
39:31
Speaker 2: like you are making the explanation for why cultures disappear
39:36
Speaker 2: whenever they start to liberate women, and why that's women's
39:42
Speaker 2: liberation is inconsistent with evolution. Like it's literally like if
39:48
Speaker 2: you were like, yes, I am going to have children
39:51
Speaker 2: because I feel so much gratitude for all of the
39:54
Speaker 2: rights that this culture. I'm going to have so many
39:57
Speaker 2: children because I want to raise them in a culture
39:59
Speaker 2: that gives them right. No, that's not what you're doing.
40:02
Speaker 2: You're saying that was the bare minimum. I owe you nothing.
40:06
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna consign you to cultural extinction. Congratulations, ladies.
40:12
Speaker 2: You are why women don't get rights. These behaviors are
40:17
Speaker 2: why you don't get rights. And this is like whenever
40:20
Speaker 2: I say this, women are like, oh, you just hate women.
40:23
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, you hate reality. Like this is nothing.
40:27
Speaker 2: There's no hatred here. There is. If you do not
40:31
Speaker 2: have children in a society that gives you rights, that
40:36
Speaker 2: society is going to go extinct and being superseded by
40:40
Speaker 2: those societies that can breed. And if the only societies
40:43
Speaker 2: that can breed are the ones that put restrictions on women,
40:47
Speaker 2: they will win.
40:50
Speaker 1: Yep, that's it.
40:52
Speaker 2: You are doing this to yourselves, ladies, but you don't
40:56
Speaker 2: care because you're gonna get your bag until it all collapses, right,
41:00
Speaker 2: which you know for uh, you know, let's see twenty
41:04
Speaker 2: and fifty five. I think that's optimistic. We're probably looking
41:06
Speaker 2: at twenty and forty five. Unfortunately, twenty and fifty five
41:10
Speaker 2: is thirty years from now. So I'm going to be
41:12
Speaker 2: in my seventies, right, You're going to be in your eighties.
41:15
Speaker 2: Perhaps John, my husband's gonna be in his eighties. Okay, well,
41:20
Speaker 2: we're we're on the way out, right, that's it. That's
41:23
Speaker 2: we're we're gonna be. We're gonna be saying, Sayonara, we're
41:26
Speaker 2: going to be sitting in our in our I don't know,
41:29
Speaker 2: with my uh, with like seventeen German Shepherds and whatever
41:33
Speaker 2: Ryan's retirement plans are. You know, that's gonna be it.
41:37
Speaker 1: We're out nurse by robots probably, yeah, we're being nurse.
41:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're we're on the way out. Okay, ladies, if
41:44
Speaker 2: you're in your twenties now, in your thirties, you are
41:48
Speaker 2: going to be living through this collapse. So you're you're like,
41:54
Speaker 2: I need to get my bag. Well, congratulations, you're stealing
41:58
Speaker 2: your bag from your future self. So when you're in
42:03
Speaker 2: your seventies and eighties, there's not going to be a
42:06
Speaker 2: bag there. There's just going to be abject poverty and
42:09
Speaker 2: guess what, nobody's going to buy your ass, So your
42:13
Speaker 2: your contingency plan not going to be there, all.
42:19
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, to this point, the model comes with a
42:25
Speaker 1: hard coded minimum. No country can ever be projected to
42:29
Speaker 1: have a fertility rate less than point five children per woman.
42:33
Speaker 1: Like the rest of the rest of the model, this
42:37
Speaker 1: too might need to be revised. Macau, which the UN
42:40
Speaker 1: analyzes separately from mainland China, had a fertility rate of
42:45
Speaker 1: one point two a decade ago. Last year, it fell
42:48
Speaker 1: to zero point five eight, and it looks set to
42:52
Speaker 1: fall even further. In the first four months of twenty
42:55
Speaker 1: twenty five, berths were down another thirteen percent. If you're
43:01
Speaker 1: not sure why this is so alarming, consider Japan, the
43:06
Speaker 1: canonical example of the threat that low fertility poses to
43:08
Speaker 1: a country's economic prospects. Hey, I brought up Japan at
43:11
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show. I didn't know that they
43:13
Speaker 1: were I didn't read this article. So this is my
43:15
Speaker 1: live reaction to the article. At its peak in nineteen
43:19
Speaker 1: ninety four, the Japanese economy made up eighteen percent of
43:22
Speaker 1: world GDP, but eventually the country's demographics caught up with it. Now,
43:27
Speaker 1: Japan's median age is fifty years old and the country's
43:30
Speaker 1: GDP makes up just four percent of the global economy.
43:35
Speaker 1: That's a lot less. That's like less than a fourth. Yeah,
43:43
Speaker 1: what it was measured per hour's work. Japan's economic growth
43:46
Speaker 1: has always been strong, but at some point, you just
43:50
Speaker 1: don't have enough workers. You mean men, right, you're talking
43:55
Speaker 1: about men. You're talking about men mostly, Okay. The fertility
44:02
Speaker 1: rates that doomed the Japanese economy range from one point
44:05
Speaker 1: three to one point five. So imagine what's in store
44:08
Speaker 1: for modern day California, which is at one point zero
44:12
Speaker 1: six and Chile, which is at one point zero three.
44:16
Speaker 1: How will they grow with so few workers? How will
44:19
Speaker 1: they ever become rich if each worker is expected to
44:22
Speaker 1: provide for so many elderly people. The overly optimistic un
44:27
Speaker 1: estimates or estimates have obscured just how urgent these questions
44:31
Speaker 1: really are. Because if the birth rate continues to drop
44:35
Speaker 1: around the world at its current pace, the economic growth
44:38
Speaker 1: and workers' retirement prospects will go the way of those
44:41
Speaker 1: projections adjusting every few years to smaller, sadder, pure poorer future.
44:48
Speaker 1: Is that the end they don't give me the why, Well,
44:54
Speaker 1: we have to go somewhere.
44:55
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna go to base camp for the why.
44:58
Speaker 2: I mean, I already knew the why because I had
45:00
Speaker 2: this discussion a while back, and I.
45:03
Speaker 1: Talked about on the show a couple of times.
45:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about on the show. But I mean
45:07
Speaker 2: I figured that it'd be nice to have something to
45:08
Speaker 2: respond to.
45:09
Speaker 1: So No, it's good, it's I mean, it's I'm glad
45:12
Speaker 1: that they're saying this. Well, I mean, now now it
45:15
Speaker 1: comes out like, okay, this is the Atlantic, right m m.
45:18
Speaker 1: Of course I'm not going to address the why. Nope,
45:21
Speaker 1: Like because it's like they support the why. They just
45:26
Speaker 1: don't think there's a connection between the why and the
45:30
Speaker 1: and what's happening. They're probably thinking like, what, how can
45:34
Speaker 1: we blame men for this? That's what they're but they
45:38
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, like we can't find anything, you know what,
45:40
Speaker 1: Let's just put the info out there and hope nobody
45:43
Speaker 1: asks questions. But they panic appropriately and give us clicks. Anyway,
45:48
Speaker 1: I got a super child from Gary Thomas for five
45:51
Speaker 1: and he says I had a friend who lived in
45:53
Speaker 1: New York City, was a grad student and had planned
45:56
Speaker 1: on having maybe one child while balancing her academic career.
45:59
Speaker 1: She is thirty eight now, has been married for over
46:02
Speaker 1: a decade, just gave birth to twins, has five other
46:06
Speaker 1: offspring with her husband, and lives on a farm in
46:10
Speaker 1: a rural farm in Georgia. According to her, once she
46:13
Speaker 1: started having children, she didn't want to stop. Unfortunately, she
46:17
Speaker 1: is an outlier in my friend group. Uh yeah, I
46:21
Speaker 1: mean again, like, I'm not, you know, when I talk
46:23
Speaker 1: about the birth rate, some people I won't name any names,
46:27
Speaker 1: but some people in like I'm the ex they think
46:31
Speaker 1: I'm making a command to women to have babies or
46:36
Speaker 1: I'm you know, like essentially prescribing this that women have
46:42
Speaker 1: lots of babies. I'm not, I never was. All I'm
46:45
Speaker 1: but what the thing is is that women are making
46:48
Speaker 1: decisions about their fertility based on bad information. So what
46:53
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that they should have the correct information
46:56
Speaker 1: and then make a decision. I'm not. I don't think that,
46:59
Speaker 1: you know, all women should all have children, because I
47:02
Speaker 1: don't think that that's you know, some women are just
47:05
Speaker 1: not cut out to be mothers, some men are not
47:06
Speaker 1: cut out to be fathers. But what I'm saying is
47:09
Speaker 1: is that before we decide like what we're going to
47:13
Speaker 1: chase down in our life, we should know what is
47:16
Speaker 1: actually the potential outcomes and options and what they eat
47:21
Speaker 1: really mean. Right. So I'm not making like the go
47:25
Speaker 1: out and have babies argument. I'm saying, if you're thinking
47:29
Speaker 1: about waiting, or if you've been told you should wait,
47:32
Speaker 1: or if you've been told that you know, kids suck
47:35
Speaker 1: or they're not important, or you're just ingesting all of
47:37
Speaker 1: this anti natalist propaganda that's basically everywhere, it's ubiquitous, maybe
47:44
Speaker 1: you should question it and then look into what the
47:46
Speaker 1: facts are and then decide after that, so that that's it,
47:50
Speaker 1: you know. I'm not necessarily going either way. I mean,
47:53
Speaker 1: I'm generally pro family because I think that we need
47:57
Speaker 1: enough people to maintain civilization, and that requires some people
48:02
Speaker 1: to have babies, at least a significant number enough to
48:06
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say to maintain the birthrate, but like,
48:09
Speaker 1: you know, steadily increase it. But yeah, I mean that
48:13
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not making demands.
48:14
Speaker 2: Of women, so yeah, well, I mean we don't have
48:17
Speaker 2: to because the solution, well, well let's talk about it
48:21
Speaker 2: one of the big ones, okay, because I had that
48:24
Speaker 2: extended discussion with this on with a feminism.
48:27
Speaker 1: I do that. Now, are you gonna go to base
48:28
Speaker 1: camp or what?
48:29
Speaker 2: Let's go to base camp. Let's let's see what they have.
48:31
Speaker 1: We're gonna look at this video from base camp. Malcolm
48:34
Speaker 1: is Simone and it's got to got an interesting title. Wait,
48:39
Speaker 1: the men's rights movement is working and yeah yeah so yeah.
48:45
Speaker 2: Also, I just want to point something out, like we
48:47
Speaker 2: do have to pause it about every fifteen seconds and
48:51
Speaker 2: make some comment because.
48:52
Speaker 1: Okay, well, if you have time codes.
48:55
Speaker 2: Yes, start at the beginning. I do have time codes,
48:57
Speaker 2: all right, start at the beginning. We'll start at the beginning.
48:59
Speaker 1: And the sound is working on this real quick, and
49:02
Speaker 1: I will Yeah, it is working.
49:04
Speaker 4: Okay, Hello, Malcolm, I'm so excited to be speaking with
49:08
Speaker 4: you today because we are going to talk about men
49:11
Speaker 4: striking back that didn't come across striking back.
49:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
49:15
Speaker 5: Well, they're fighting for their rights and they're finally making progress.
49:20
Speaker 1: All right.
49:20
Speaker 6: Men have been basically.
49:23
Speaker 2: Yep, we're starting to see shared custody initiatives in the US,
49:27
Speaker 2: so that is progress, all right, continue?
49:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, no, I mean, I well, she's I mean,
49:35
Speaker 1: we we've been doing this for a while. I would
49:38
Speaker 1: I would hope that there we would make some kind
49:41
Speaker 1: of impact by now.
49:43
Speaker 2: No, yeah, and yours plus. But we've been doing this
49:48
Speaker 2: for ten years plus. Yeah, yeah, actually making progress now,
49:55
Speaker 2: Like that's the crazy thing, is it.
49:57
Speaker 5: For the past fifteen years, the concept of men's rights
50:01
Speaker 5: has basically been like men being angry about the fact
50:05
Speaker 5: that they don't have any rights. I guess this might
50:07
Speaker 5: have been happened.
50:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
50:10
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a dance here, but I
50:14
Speaker 1: maybe I'll talk to them about it because I can
50:16
Speaker 1: get Malcolm and Simone on the show. I have a
50:19
Speaker 1: decent rapport with them.
50:21
Speaker 2: Whatever rapport.
50:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, another one. I know. I'm like, I'm like out
50:27
Speaker 1: of sorts today.
50:28
Speaker 2: Man.
50:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's Halloween or something, but I'm not doing well.
50:35
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking good today.
50:37
Speaker 2: I got a personal question, all right, Yeah, okay, so Jojo,
50:42
Speaker 2: has Jojo been like sensing things in your apartment?
50:50
Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean.
50:51
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I'll explain from my from my animals. So,
50:56
Speaker 2: like a couple of days ago, Scipio was growling at
51:00
Speaker 2: the ceiling, like a spot in the ceiling, yeah, and
51:05
Speaker 2: getting gitting, like really really agitated. And we were trying
51:08
Speaker 2: to figure out what the heck he was reacting to,
51:10
Speaker 2: and we couldn't see anything, And and then the cats
51:15
Speaker 2: started to react to things in the kitchen as well.
51:18
Speaker 2: So we're like, do we have mice or spooky spooks?
51:22
Speaker 2: Like do we have are we are we have a
51:24
Speaker 2: poltergeist or something? The cat, the animals are reacting to something, you.
51:28
Speaker 1: Know, maybe well, no, we don't have any ghouls or
51:33
Speaker 1: specters in our house because Jojo has not. Either that
51:36
Speaker 1: or he's a terrible ghost medium. If you guys understand
51:40
Speaker 1: the rules of dogs, they know about supernatural they're tuned
51:44
Speaker 1: in demons and ghosts and shit.
51:48
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the thing is that
51:53
Speaker 2: he he sometimes just reacts to strange things. Apparently we
51:58
Speaker 2: once went a dog trainer and apparently there's a corner
52:01
Speaker 2: that all the dogs react to, and she it's just
52:05
Speaker 2: like she she speculates that there must be there, maybe
52:08
Speaker 2: there's like spectral activity in that corner or something. But
52:11
Speaker 2: all of the dogs react to it in terms of we're.
52:14
Speaker 1: Like a Lovecraftian monster that lives in corners and it's
52:19
Speaker 1: a dog. It's like, uh, it like it enters our
52:25
Speaker 1: plane through corners. It's like some Lovecraft monster. I bet
52:29
Speaker 1: somebody in the chat knows. I forget what it's called.
52:31
Speaker 1: But it's like a dog, like a like a other
52:34
Speaker 1: dimensional beast that's dog like okay, okay, but anyway, so yeah,
52:41
Speaker 1: so let's uh, let's keep going. Oh but yeah, the
52:45
Speaker 1: pedantic thing I was gonna say is that, uh, I
52:47
Speaker 1: know that rights is like this word that gets used
52:50
Speaker 1: is kind of the catch all for uh, things that
52:53
Speaker 1: are not really rights. But I do tend to fixate
52:56
Speaker 1: on that because I think that it's important we use
52:57
Speaker 1: the right words, because when you say, like when the
53:01
Speaker 1: feminists labeled us men's rights activists, the point of it
53:06
Speaker 1: was to make it sound absurd and silent, like yeah,
53:10
Speaker 1: because technically we have most of the rights. There are
53:14
Speaker 1: some rights that men don't have that women have, like
53:18
Speaker 1: bodily autonomy, which is probably a big one. But but
53:21
Speaker 1: the thing is, you don't want to get caught up
53:23
Speaker 1: in like the way feminists describe rights is like rights
53:26
Speaker 1: to like you know, healthcare rights to abortions, rights to
53:30
Speaker 1: be able to walk home at night without getting raped,
53:33
Speaker 1: you know, things like that that are completely silly. Rights
53:37
Speaker 1: to other people's labor, which is essentially like the entitlement
53:41
Speaker 1: of a slave owner. But that's what that's what feminists
53:44
Speaker 1: describe his rights. And I don't think MRAs do. Some
53:47
Speaker 1: probably do. They have like their idea of it, and
53:49
Speaker 1: I think it's incorrect. And to me anyway, it's important
53:53
Speaker 1: that we use the right terms. But I basically get
53:57
Speaker 1: where someone is coming from. Anyway, Well, oh go ahead, no.
54:02
Speaker 2: No, let's let's let's do a little bit more.
54:04
Speaker 5: Okay, women's rights for the longest time of like, well,
54:06
Speaker 5: ain't that cute? You guys are so disgruntled about your
54:10
Speaker 5: lack of rights.
54:12
Speaker 6: It's never gonna change.
54:13
Speaker 5: Sweet, No, And I love what they would always insaye.
54:15
Speaker 7: They'd be like, well, that's actually a feminism issue.
54:20
Speaker 2: Well actually having having had these arguments for like twenty
54:24
Speaker 2: five years is it twenty five yet? No, like twenty two.
54:29
Speaker 2: The they would essentially get absolutely infuriated and say men
54:34
Speaker 2: have all the rights, or.
54:38
Speaker 1: They would just laugh, Yeah, you just laugh at the idea. Yeah. No,
54:42
Speaker 1: I had a thing on X back and forth that
54:48
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting. We see if I can find it.
54:51
Speaker 1: People got really mad at me, but I there was
54:56
Speaker 1: a woman who made a post on X essentially kind
55:00
Speaker 1: of try taking the piss out of Jordan Peterson. But
55:05
Speaker 1: the purpose of it was to say that women are
55:11
Speaker 1: She said that women are soldiers for the globalist agenda,
55:14
Speaker 1: and they are on the frontier of feminizing and castrating
55:16
Speaker 1: their men. And but she was trying to blame people
55:19
Speaker 1: like Jordan Peterson for not doing enough or something. And
55:22
Speaker 1: I said, even if men invented feminism, women chose to
55:26
Speaker 1: go along with it, because she was trying to say
55:28
Speaker 1: that feminism isn't women. Feminism is something men created, so
55:32
Speaker 1: it's kind of like blaming men. And I was like, no,
55:34
Speaker 1: I mean, like sure, even if you even if you say,
55:37
Speaker 1: like these men or whatever, you know, these the Kabbalists
55:41
Speaker 1: or whoever it is that put it out there, even
55:44
Speaker 1: if you're right, it doesn't matter because women said, yes,
55:48
Speaker 1: we'll take that, and they went with it, and they
55:51
Speaker 1: did it for decades, if not generations. And and then
55:54
Speaker 1: somebody replied to me and said, this woman, this woman,
56:00
Speaker 1: And she said, sure, what sane person would choose to
56:03
Speaker 1: be a slave for all practical purposes, so essentially saying
56:07
Speaker 1: this is why women chose feminism. And I said slave,
56:09
Speaker 1: what do you mean? And she said, I mean slave
56:12
Speaker 1: a person who is the property of another person, which
56:15
Speaker 1: is what the de facto legal situation up until fifty
56:19
Speaker 1: years ago, wives were de facto property to their husbands.
56:23
Speaker 1: And I said, this is a pretty insane claim to make.
56:25
Speaker 1: Does this mean that your father or grandfather effectively enslaved
56:29
Speaker 1: your mother or grandmother? And she said, well that was
56:32
Speaker 1: the legal situation at the time, so yes, the man
56:35
Speaker 1: being the head of the household taking all the decisions
56:38
Speaker 1: formally and legally. And I said, so you think your
56:40
Speaker 1: father and your grandfather were oppressors that enslaved your mother
56:45
Speaker 1: and your grandmother? Do you see how unhinged you sound?
56:49
Speaker 1: And she's the laws at the time were unhinged. Then
56:52
Speaker 1: I don't make them. I just tell you what they were.
56:55
Speaker 1: So and then I said, what laws are you talking about,
56:59
Speaker 1: because you're saying it was the law. Can you tell
57:01
Speaker 1: me specifically what laws allow men to own women? And
57:07
Speaker 1: then she replied, for instance, the one that allows a
57:09
Speaker 1: woman to open a bank account only if the husband
57:11
Speaker 1: agrees to it. Not having access to money limits options
57:14
Speaker 1: extremely And I said, husbands were responsible for the wife's
57:18
Speaker 1: debts and women usually manage the finances in the home anyway.
57:22
Speaker 1: Who makes the money matters very little compared to who
57:24
Speaker 1: the money is spent on. And she she just stopped
57:29
Speaker 1: talking to me after that.
57:30
Speaker 2: Of course, answer what they don't have any answer?
57:35
Speaker 1: No now. And then they tried, they tried this, well, yeah, men,
57:39
Speaker 1: men had all the rights all through history. No, no,
57:43
Speaker 1: that's silly. Men took care of women. Well, actually there
57:47
Speaker 1: was a period where, you know, the Dowry period, where
57:50
Speaker 1: women brought something to the table, to the table that
57:53
Speaker 1: wasn't themselves, and men brought something to the table and
57:56
Speaker 1: that was the the the you know, those were then
58:00
Speaker 1: nitions that brought that brought those two together and we
58:03
Speaker 1: and the whole dating thing is very recent. So and
58:06
Speaker 1: I think that it's a disaster. I mean, just based
58:09
Speaker 1: on what I've seen, unless you're meeting under you know,
58:12
Speaker 1: certain circumstances where your your values are like you know,
58:16
Speaker 1: at the top, you know, like like in a church
58:18
Speaker 1: for example, but like just like on Tinder swiping though,
58:22
Speaker 1: if that's a disaster, I'm sorry. It just I'm just
58:25
Speaker 1: looking at the outcomes. So hounds of tindalos, thank you? Yes,
58:30
Speaker 1: they live inside of angels. Okay, angles, those were the Yeah,
58:34
Speaker 1: they live inside of angles as you do. Yes, yes,
58:38
Speaker 1: hounds of tindalos.
58:39
Speaker 2: Okay, let's just keep going.
58:42
Speaker 1: I got on the super chow, great indoors. Looks like
58:46
Speaker 1: our chat is starting to wake up now five dollars.
58:50
Speaker 1: I'm sure most will remember back in January twenty twenty,
58:54
Speaker 1: how the coof was still just a right wing xenophobic
58:57
Speaker 1: talking point with the potential to cause and was not
59:00
Speaker 1: to be taken seriously at all, only to develop into
59:04
Speaker 1: a scare mongering talking point for the left while pushing
59:06
Speaker 1: their authoritarium battle plan to stop the spread. Now that
59:10
Speaker 1: our moral betters have come to realize that their dystopian
59:13
Speaker 1: vision of overpopulation need to be course corrected by doing
59:17
Speaker 1: sudden handbreak U turn. I shiver to think what kind
59:21
Speaker 1: of draconian measures the global intelligentsia will conjure up next.
59:24
Speaker 1: A lot of subsidies, taxes, and other force interventions are
59:27
Speaker 1: looming on the horizon, none of which work another crisis
59:32
Speaker 1: I would, I would suspect, but go ahead.
59:35
Speaker 2: None of those work but let's just get some more
59:37
Speaker 2: because I know that you have a time constraint, so
59:39
Speaker 2: let's I do.
59:40
Speaker 1: So, what do you want me to listen more of
59:41
Speaker 1: the intro? Jump?
59:43
Speaker 2: I just listened more of the intro.
59:44
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, the feminists never fight for it, and they're like, oh,
59:49
Speaker 7: once you're in cages, then we'll fight to loosen the
59:52
Speaker 7: the the.
59:53
Speaker 1: What do they call that?
59:54
Speaker 7: Zi?
59:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just basically I was operating under the assumption
1:00:00
Speaker 5: nothing would ever change.
1:00:02
Speaker 6: But things are actually starting to change, and this is big.
1:00:04
Speaker 5: It's huge, and so what we're gonna do is look
1:00:07
Speaker 5: at two major areas where finally the dam is beginning
1:00:10
Speaker 5: to break, and I think momentum is only going to
1:00:13
Speaker 5: build from here.
1:00:13
Speaker 6: We're gonna.
1:00:16
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean I think that once. I also
1:00:20
Speaker 1: believe honestly that things have if you look at it,
1:00:25
Speaker 1: and it's been tough, but I think that things will
1:00:29
Speaker 1: start to accelerate, like exponentially. I think that we've done
1:00:33
Speaker 1: a lot in it feels like a long time for
1:00:36
Speaker 1: our lifetime, but when you think about how much damage
1:00:39
Speaker 1: we're trying to reverse, it's actually pretty impressive.
1:00:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe just chipping away at it every day made
1:00:47
Speaker 2: a difference.
1:00:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is years out there now, the talking
1:00:51
Speaker 1: points are out there, and I think that of I
1:00:54
Speaker 1: don't know there I mean, there's definitely more than a
1:00:57
Speaker 1: few MRAs making content. But I think that we have
1:01:00
Speaker 1: been the most consistent in pushing stuff out even if
1:01:04
Speaker 1: our channel remained small, and that was despite all the struggles,
1:01:08
Speaker 1: you know, like Mike who used to have like a
1:01:10
Speaker 1: channel that should have been in the multimillion subscribers by
1:01:13
Speaker 1: now YouTube absolutely hamstringed him. Yeah, and huh yes, he's
1:01:23
Speaker 1: not making any money on it anymore. And you know,
1:01:27
Speaker 1: Paul has sort of like slowed down, like he still
1:01:30
Speaker 1: makes content every so often, and Janets and Tom Golden
1:01:34
Speaker 1: and some of them. But I think that we've been
1:01:36
Speaker 1: the most consistent in terms of like just like what.
1:01:39
Speaker 2: You know, hammering away at it day after.
1:01:44
Speaker 1: Talking to people and trying to get them to think
1:01:46
Speaker 1: about these issues. I mean we you know, like I said,
1:01:48
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm definitely gonna try and get Malcolm and
1:01:51
Speaker 1: Simon back on. I've had talked to them. I had
1:01:54
Speaker 1: the pleasure of talking to him a couple of times.
1:01:56
Speaker 1: So I want to know, I want to talk to
1:01:58
Speaker 1: them because they're doing really weird.
1:01:59
Speaker 2: Where they're at on the journey. But yeah, it's uh, okay,
1:02:04
Speaker 2: let's let's let's finish off this segment so that we
1:02:07
Speaker 2: can get to the reason that the Atlantic will not
1:02:11
Speaker 2: mention or the potential solutions states where.
1:02:15
Speaker 5: By the new default is the new default shocking men
1:02:19
Speaker 5: get of matern of.
1:02:22
Speaker 2: Custody physically physical custody, fifty percent physical custody, that's the default.
1:02:30
Speaker 2: And there are now states Kentucky, and I think maybe
1:02:33
Speaker 2: Texas is looking into it, or maybe Texas is just
1:02:36
Speaker 2: talking about the uh this, uh this, this stuff related
1:02:39
Speaker 2: to abortion, which I don't really want to focus on
1:02:42
Speaker 2: because I think that the shared custody is really what
1:02:46
Speaker 2: applies to the birth rate. So yeah, there are there
1:02:51
Speaker 2: are states now that are instituting a presumption of physically
1:02:56
Speaker 2: shared custody. Okay, And while well, I think that's great,
1:03:01
Speaker 2: I think we also have to consider that that can
1:03:04
Speaker 2: be rolled back. And there are currently feminist organizations, often
1:03:10
Speaker 2: funded by divorce lawyers, who are trying to get this
1:03:15
Speaker 2: rolled back, and they are using the usual narratives to
1:03:18
Speaker 2: do it, spousal violence, marital rape, men being a bad fathers,
1:03:25
Speaker 2: abusive fathers. They're using these narratives to do it. So
1:03:29
Speaker 2: it's really critical to make sure that you have the
1:03:32
Speaker 2: materials necessary to oppose those narratives. And again, the materials
1:03:37
Speaker 2: necessary to oppose those narratives. Is a comprehensive understanding around
1:03:41
Speaker 2: the stats regarding rape and domestic violence and how there
1:03:47
Speaker 2: is a extremely plausible position that women engage in these
1:03:51
Speaker 2: activities equally and I mean both of them, right, So
1:03:54
Speaker 2: there is a feminists have absolutely no leg to stand
1:03:58
Speaker 2: on when they talk when they try to use domestic
1:04:01
Speaker 2: violence in particular to reduce men's rights during marriage and divorce,
1:04:07
Speaker 2: no leg to stand on whatsoever. And I would like
1:04:10
Speaker 2: to point out that the biggest red flag when you're
1:04:14
Speaker 2: looking at statistics is this feminist statistics see A two
1:04:20
Speaker 2: to four times so they in feminist statistics. The number
1:04:25
Speaker 2: of male victims that are identified by statistics created by
1:04:28
Speaker 2: feminism are two to four times less than non feminist
1:04:34
Speaker 2: research into domestic violence and sexual assault. How is that possible?
1:04:41
Speaker 2: The answer is feminist cook the books when it comes
1:04:45
Speaker 2: to domestic violence and sexual assault. And they cook the
1:04:47
Speaker 2: books because these are their big weapons to slant divorce
1:04:54
Speaker 2: and laws around marriage or policies around marriage domestic violence
1:04:58
Speaker 2: and marriage in the favor of women, presumably, right. They
1:05:03
Speaker 2: slant these things in the favor of women. Of course,
1:05:05
Speaker 2: on the other side, they also sacrifice women to maintain
1:05:08
Speaker 2: the narrative. So they're trying to repel this stuff, they're
1:05:12
Speaker 2: trying to get rid of it, and they're using these
1:05:16
Speaker 2: narratives to do so. And why is it that they
1:05:19
Speaker 2: always laughed at the idea of men's rights, Because that's
1:05:22
Speaker 2: what they're stripping. And they're using the narrative of male malefeasance,
1:05:28
Speaker 2: this absolutely disgusting narrative that men use rape and domestic violence.
1:05:34
Speaker 2: They're using that narrative to strip men of their rights
1:05:38
Speaker 2: full stop. So we gotta we gotta keep our ducks
1:05:42
Speaker 2: in a row, we gotta, we gotta have our talking
1:05:44
Speaker 2: points to make sure that they are not allowed to
1:05:48
Speaker 2: get their clause back into policy and start reversing these
1:05:51
Speaker 2: And it is absolutely critical. This battle is absolutely critical
1:05:56
Speaker 2: because it is the battle for the human human future.
1:06:00
Speaker 2: And you'll see why as we go a little bit further.
1:06:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also want to mention I am not on
1:06:07
Speaker 1: this this new show we just did, but the new
1:06:10
Speaker 1: show that I did the week before I covered two
1:06:14
Speaker 1: other states that are moving, they're making progress towards presumed
1:06:19
Speaker 1: shared custody as well. That would be the state of
1:06:22
Speaker 1: Arizona and Philadelphia, so we're also not yeah, Pennsylvania, not
1:06:29
Speaker 1: phil Philadelphia is a city, Pennsylvania and Arizona. So yeah,
1:06:34
Speaker 1: it's going. I think that we're going to see more
1:06:35
Speaker 1: of this, I hope. And you mentioned Texas, and there
1:06:39
Speaker 1: are other states that are like just starting to look
1:06:42
Speaker 1: into this stuff like they're real on like the early
1:06:45
Speaker 1: early stages. So yeah, it's it looks like it's you know,
1:06:49
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's fantastic.
1:06:50
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and it's it's not just fantastic for
1:06:55
Speaker 2: men's issues. I don't know if Simone and Malcolm covered
1:06:59
Speaker 2: the whole thing, but let's let's let them finish here
1:07:01
Speaker 2: and then I'll move you to a different timecode.
1:07:04
Speaker 7: All right, what states is happening happening and not just
1:07:07
Speaker 7: like in the law.
1:07:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's also just crazy to me that that
1:07:10
Speaker 5: like isn't always the default, like the assumption that like, well,
1:07:13
Speaker 5: of course each parent shares custody by default, right unless
1:07:17
Speaker 5: there's a good reason not to. No, the case and
1:07:20
Speaker 5: it's being resolved. It started with Kentucky and now it's
1:07:22
Speaker 5: happened in more states. We're going to look at sort
1:07:24
Speaker 5: of what's going on there, and then we're okay.
1:07:26
Speaker 2: So okay, so move to three point fifteen because they
1:07:29
Speaker 2: move into like the Texas heartbeat law, and I'm like,
1:07:32
Speaker 2: as much as that would be an interesting conversation, we
1:07:35
Speaker 2: are restricted in time, so I'm going to keep it
1:07:36
Speaker 2: to the shared parenting.
1:07:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you if they're if I guess,
1:07:42
Speaker 1: like a combination of common sense restrictions on abortion, I mean,
1:07:50
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm I'm I think that you can
1:07:52
Speaker 1: there is room for compromise. I just think that the
1:07:56
Speaker 1: pro abortion people are not willing to do that. But
1:07:59
Speaker 1: if if you have some of that and fifty to
1:08:02
Speaker 1: fifty shared parenting, you'll see like dramatic changes in a
1:08:06
Speaker 1: family formation at least. Right.
1:08:08
Speaker 5: Many people have the comments of our videos have said, hey,
1:08:10
Speaker 5: like please highlight this issue of the men's right sphere,
1:08:14
Speaker 5: which we'll see if you can guess. So let's get
1:08:16
Speaker 5: into it, starting with the Kentucky divorce laws. And just
1:08:20
Speaker 5: so you know, there's a really good Wall Street Journal
1:08:22
Speaker 5: article talking about this, titled Divorce Plunged in Kentucky equal
1:08:26
Speaker 5: custody for fathers is a big reason why a law
1:08:29
Speaker 5: setting fifty to fifty shared custody as the state's standard
1:08:32
Speaker 5: was hailed as a victory for fathers, but critics say
1:08:36
Speaker 5: it puts mothers and children at risk.
1:08:37
Speaker 2: Exactly right there. Then this is where they're going to
1:08:40
Speaker 2: try to push back. So get your facts in order
1:08:43
Speaker 2: and make sure that you have them and make sure
1:08:46
Speaker 2: that you have the ability to do the arguments that
1:08:48
Speaker 2: neutralize it, because this is where they get you. This
1:08:51
Speaker 2: is where feminists, in particular feminists get conservatives, right, They
1:08:56
Speaker 2: get them under this narrative of male malfeasance because conservatives
1:09:01
Speaker 2: see the male role as protection and provision of women,
1:09:04
Speaker 2: and they are keyed to violations of that role and
1:09:08
Speaker 2: condemning women or men based on violations of that role. Well,
1:09:12
Speaker 2: you got to kick that out and start to realize
1:09:15
Speaker 2: that men also are vulnerable in relationships and their vulnerabilities.
1:09:20
Speaker 2: You need to understand them because they are the counter
1:09:24
Speaker 2: argument to the feminist nonsense about domestic violence and sexual
1:09:28
Speaker 2: assault and that they should be a the divorce lawyers
1:09:31
Speaker 2: should continue to have their cash cow because men are
1:09:35
Speaker 2: so evil to their children and wives. That is the argument,
1:09:38
Speaker 2: and conservatives need to be able to push back. And
1:09:41
Speaker 2: the big blind spot that conservatives have in these issues
1:09:45
Speaker 2: is that they hold men to the standard of leadership
1:09:49
Speaker 2: and provision and protection, but they do not see that
1:09:52
Speaker 2: men need the support to be able to fulfill that role.
1:09:57
Speaker 1: Yes, and you need to be in part.
1:10:00
Speaker 2: Part of that support is being able to recognize the
1:10:02
Speaker 2: vulnerabilities that men have in relationships and recognize that they
1:10:07
Speaker 2: also get abused, they also get sexually exploited. Therefore, in
1:10:11
Speaker 2: that completely defangs the feminist narrative that is trying to
1:10:15
Speaker 2: destroy relationships okay, and has this unholy alliance with divorce lawyers.
1:10:23
Speaker 2: Let's be frank. When I asked GROC, what is the
1:10:26
Speaker 2: annual revenue that feminists command, it basically came back with, well,
1:10:33
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff, but also the annual revenue from divorce.
1:10:38
Speaker 2: So GROC was making this association between feminists and devoice lawyers.
1:10:43
Speaker 2: And that is if I haven't drilled down on it,
1:10:45
Speaker 2: but I will probably if I did, I would find
1:10:48
Speaker 2: out where that's coming from. And it likely is a
1:10:50
Speaker 2: collusion between those those organizations, feminist organizations and divorce lawyer organizations.
1:10:56
Speaker 2: And why because divorce is the cash cow of divorce lawyers,
1:11:03
Speaker 2: and a lot of them are feminists because they know
1:11:05
Speaker 2: what side they're They're bread is buttered on.
1:11:09
Speaker 1: Okay, yep, all right, what's if you want to be
1:11:12
Speaker 1: playing more of this? Or is it time more of this?
1:11:13
Speaker 2: Because we got up to like six minutes here.
1:11:17
Speaker 5: Okay, happened in Kentucky, and this is important because it
1:11:20
Speaker 5: happened in twenty eighteen, so we have enough time to
1:11:22
Speaker 5: see what has happened since this legislation was passed. But
1:11:26
Speaker 5: Kentucky in twenty eighteen became the first state to pass
1:11:29
Speaker 5: a law making equally shared custody the default arrangement and
1:11:33
Speaker 5: divorces and separations. And since that happened for other states,
1:11:38
Speaker 5: so this is Arkansas, West Virginia, Florida, and Missouri have
1:11:42
Speaker 5: passed their own versions of this this custody bill.
1:11:46
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's that's not even the ones I mentioned.
1:11:49
Speaker 1: So the ones I mentioned Arizona and Pennsylvania where they're
1:11:55
Speaker 1: in the uh, they're preparing I think they're about to
1:11:59
Speaker 1: you know, alter these these, but these have already done it.
1:12:02
Speaker 1: So let's see what the results have been.
1:12:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, twenty more states. Keep in mind there are only
1:12:07
Speaker 6: fifty US states are considering or close to passing simpilar laws,
1:12:12
Speaker 6: according to analysis by National Parents Organization. That is big.
1:12:17
Speaker 6: I mean, if this quickly, we're already getting.
1:12:20
Speaker 7: Right, So how quickly did the first one go to
1:12:22
Speaker 7: passing to twenty states being kids?
1:12:23
Speaker 2: Okay, we can skip forward a little bit to four
1:12:28
Speaker 2: thirty nine.
1:12:30
Speaker 1: Well that's literally like right there. Okay, I don't think
1:12:36
Speaker 1: I can go okay, right, whatever, We're gonna play it
1:12:40
Speaker 1: from here.
1:12:40
Speaker 7: Passing to twenty states being considering it now?
1:12:42
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it's twenty twenty five now, and that
1:12:44
Speaker 5: was twenty eighteen, seven years, six years.
1:12:48
Speaker 2: I remember in twenty eighteen, I said that our society
1:12:53
Speaker 2: was going to crater along the lines that men's rights
1:12:57
Speaker 2: point out. So, in other words, we are pointing out
1:12:59
Speaker 2: the problems that society has. And I said this, I
1:13:02
Speaker 2: actually said this probably even earlier than that, that men's
1:13:05
Speaker 2: rights activists we don't have a men's issues problem because
1:13:09
Speaker 2: we are contending with these issues. Society has a men's
1:13:12
Speaker 2: issues problem because it isn't. And I said that probably
1:13:16
Speaker 2: I know for sure I said it in twenty eighteen,
1:13:18
Speaker 2: but before then. But it is heartening to see that
1:13:24
Speaker 2: there is now political will behind recognizing this.
1:13:28
Speaker 1: Yep.
1:13:29
Speaker 2: Okay, and let's let's get a little bit further in yep.
1:13:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:13:33
Speaker 5: I mean from a legislative standpoint, it's kind of like, are.
1:13:37
Speaker 7: We seeing a changing an outcomes thet like do you
1:13:39
Speaker 7: see any we are are?
1:13:41
Speaker 5: And I'm also going to compare sort of this changing
1:13:45
Speaker 5: outcomes to China, because we did do an episode on
1:13:47
Speaker 5: like China trying to reduce divorce rates and increase fertility
1:13:50
Speaker 5: rates through.
1:13:51
Speaker 2: China already has substantially different family laws. So for example,
1:14:00
Speaker 2: that does not have community property laws. When you divorce,
1:14:04
Speaker 2: you get back what you put in, and that is it. Yeah,
1:14:09
Speaker 2: so if a woman is a stay at home she
1:14:12
Speaker 2: gets back exactly what she put in financially, too bad.
1:14:17
Speaker 2: So sad and I believe that custody is shared, so
1:14:23
Speaker 2: children are shared, community property is not. And you know,
1:14:28
Speaker 2: like it's funny how a lot of the commis, the communists,
1:14:33
Speaker 2: feminist communists really like China. Yeah, I don't think.
1:14:40
Speaker 1: You, Oh, I don't look I'm China. I don't know,
1:14:44
Speaker 1: because you know, they're not very like open with the
1:14:48
Speaker 1: way they run things. I do know that they're they
1:14:51
Speaker 1: definitely have a communist party running the government. But I
1:14:55
Speaker 1: don't think that means that the actual country is communists, right,
1:15:00
Speaker 1: Like I think that it's like it's weird. Yeah, it's
1:15:05
Speaker 1: a hybrid because they have to make stuff and they
1:15:07
Speaker 1: have to sell stuff, and so, you know, like they
1:15:10
Speaker 1: are still producing. They produce a lot. So I don't
1:15:14
Speaker 1: think it's quite a communist country. I think that they
1:15:16
Speaker 1: would like I think they would like to say it
1:15:19
Speaker 1: is because they want to point to something that is
1:15:21
Speaker 1: a successful, you know, stressful model, But I don't think
1:15:25
Speaker 1: it is. I think that's the reason why it's still
1:15:27
Speaker 1: you know is And I well, anyway, that's the secondary thing. Yeah,
1:15:31
Speaker 1: I think that they're run by they're definitely a communist
1:15:34
Speaker 1: party in charge, but they're like sort of compromising with Yeah,
1:15:37
Speaker 1: this is really secondary.
1:15:38
Speaker 2: Let's get back.
1:15:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I know, I'm sorry, And I think
1:15:42
Speaker 5: you'll also find that quite interesting.
1:15:44
Speaker 6: But let's just start with what happened in Kentucky.
1:15:48
Speaker 5: And what's interesting is since because now in Kentucky we
1:15:52
Speaker 5: have enough data, the divorce rate plummeted between twenty sixteen
1:15:56
Speaker 5: and twenty twenty three.
1:15:58
Speaker 6: It fell twenty five percent.
1:16:00
Speaker 7: Whoa, So it's not just outcomes.
1:16:01
Speaker 1: They're changing divorce rates.
1:16:03
Speaker 2: When you make women responsible.
1:16:06
Speaker 7: They stop getting divorces twenty percent reduction just because fifty
1:16:11
Speaker 7: to fifty custody law.
1:16:13
Speaker 2: Yes, And here's the thing. The reason why the divorce
1:16:17
Speaker 2: plummeted is because shared custody. When women realized they would
1:16:23
Speaker 2: have to share custody, suddenly all of the irreconcilable differences
1:16:29
Speaker 2: became reconcilable. All right, Well, if women weren't granted winner
1:16:35
Speaker 2: takes all in divorce, suddenly they realized, oh hey, maybe
1:16:39
Speaker 2: maybe maybe the fact he hangs the toilet paper the
1:16:43
Speaker 2: other way around isn't irreconcilable. Maybe the fact he snares
1:16:48
Speaker 2: isn't reconcilable. Maybe the fact he sleeps on his sofa,
1:16:54
Speaker 2: you know, at five, and I really that really makes
1:16:57
Speaker 2: me irate because I want him to be up and working.
1:16:59
Speaker 2: That's not irreconcilable. Like suddenly the bar for irreconcilable differences
1:17:06
Speaker 2: raises a bit. And most of those divorces didn't happen
1:17:10
Speaker 2: as a result of abuse. Again, it was irreconcilable differences.
1:17:15
Speaker 2: That is the predominant reason why women have been divorcing.
1:17:19
Speaker 2: And when you simply put a little bit of a change.
1:17:22
Speaker 2: And this is a change that is beneficial to children
1:17:26
Speaker 2: and fathers and you know what else it's been, ironically,
1:17:30
Speaker 2: and this is going to floor people. Women indicate a
1:17:35
Speaker 2: greater level of happiness with shared custody arrangements than previous
1:17:40
Speaker 2: They're happier, The children are happier, the men are happier.
1:17:45
Speaker 2: Everyone is happier except the feminists and the divorce lawyers.
1:17:50
Speaker 2: When we're happier, those people are not happy because they
1:17:54
Speaker 2: I don't know, if the divorce lawyers don't get their
1:17:56
Speaker 2: next their second Porsche, you know, they don't get to
1:17:59
Speaker 2: upgrade the pool, whatever else. And the feminists don't get
1:18:03
Speaker 2: to have the ability to destroy other people's relationships through
1:18:08
Speaker 2: false narratives. You know that they're their ability to stick
1:18:11
Speaker 2: their noses into things and and make people miserable and
1:18:16
Speaker 2: then justify it as, oh, you would be more miserable
1:18:19
Speaker 2: if patriarchy was allowed to make your choices for are
1:18:21
Speaker 2: you right? This is this, This all goes away. Everybody
1:18:25
Speaker 2: else is happier, but they're not. But why are we
1:18:30
Speaker 2: continuing to structure society? Like I said a while back,
1:18:35
Speaker 2: why are we allowing feminists to define the relationship between
1:18:38
Speaker 2: men and women, spiritually, socially, economically, legally, in terms of policy,
1:18:46
Speaker 2: and in terms of all of these things. Why are
1:18:49
Speaker 2: we allowing this right? And then they're saying, oh, we're
1:18:54
Speaker 2: going to define all of these things for our benefit
1:18:57
Speaker 2: at the apparent expense of everyone else. So yes, shared
1:19:01
Speaker 2: custody makes everyone happy except the feminists and they're pals
1:19:07
Speaker 2: of the divorce lawyers.
1:19:10
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, should I play more of this?
1:19:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit more. I'm gonna I have one
1:19:15
Speaker 2: last I have one last thing that I really want
1:19:18
Speaker 2: to bring in that brings these two things together, So
1:19:20
Speaker 2: let's finish this time code.
1:19:22
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:19:22
Speaker 6: This is tempered by.
1:19:23
Speaker 5: The fact that there has actually been a nationwide decline
1:19:26
Speaker 5: and divorce of eighteen percent, So you know, we're talking
1:19:30
Speaker 5: about a marginal seven percent, but that's meaningful.
1:19:36
Speaker 6: That's huge.
1:19:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is but also the national the
1:19:40
Speaker 2: national divorce rate decline could also be because shared custody
1:19:44
Speaker 2: initiatives are going around everywhere now, so you know, it's
1:19:49
Speaker 2: it's difficult to disentangle this. But yeah, and also the
1:19:53
Speaker 2: national divorce rate, we'd have to look at the national
1:19:56
Speaker 2: marriage rate, because the national marriage rate is declining, then
1:19:58
Speaker 2: the divorce rates going to decline.
1:20:00
Speaker 1: Gonna say, like, it depends on how many people are
1:20:02
Speaker 1: getting married, yes, to begin with, because we know that
1:20:05
Speaker 1: men are not dating like they're like, they're not talking
1:20:09
Speaker 1: to women that are approaching women, So the few that
1:20:12
Speaker 1: are are probably like more committed, so then they're they're
1:20:17
Speaker 1: So it's a matter of like how many people are
1:20:21
Speaker 1: getting married based on you know, or how many people
1:20:24
Speaker 1: getting divorced based on how many have already gotten married,
1:20:27
Speaker 1: so that that might be a lower number because of
1:20:32
Speaker 1: you know the fact that like only the people who
1:20:34
Speaker 1: are really gonna make it work are are the ones attempting?
1:20:39
Speaker 2: So mm hmm uh okay, So let's see the marriage
1:20:46
Speaker 2: The Kentucky marriage right compared to the national average is
1:20:50
Speaker 2: about the same now, But in twenty twenty one it
1:20:53
Speaker 2: was six point three to five point one. In twenty
1:20:57
Speaker 2: twenty it was four point nine to six three point six.
1:21:02
Speaker 2: So up to twenty twenty, it seems like Kentucky actually
1:21:07
Speaker 2: had a higher marriage rate than average than the US generally.
1:21:12
Speaker 2: So I could probably look back further. I could ask
1:21:19
Speaker 2: what is the for the last ten years.
1:21:28
Speaker 1: My guys here to drop off the stuff, But how
1:21:30
Speaker 1: about this. Okay, I'll turn off my camera. You get
1:21:33
Speaker 1: those statistics. I'll take care of this and come back here. Okay,
1:21:36
Speaker 1: good for a little bit longer.
1:21:38
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, all right.
1:21:41
Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Guys, Sorry about this, Go ahead, Alison.
1:21:44
Speaker 2: So, Kentucky's average for marriage has exceeded the US average,
1:21:52
Speaker 2: not at least eight year, nine seven, no, six years,
1:21:58
Speaker 2: for the last ten substantially too. So if it was
1:22:02
Speaker 2: it didn't, actually it didn't. Actually it was lower, but
1:22:06
Speaker 2: never never as much as it was higher essentially, So
1:22:11
Speaker 2: the so that this is something that's significant, This is
1:22:15
Speaker 2: something that's very significant. Looks like especially in the last
1:22:19
Speaker 2: few years. Actually it looks like it's roughly the same.
1:22:25
Speaker 2: So take that for what you will. It seems like
1:22:28
Speaker 2: it's been in the last few years. It's actually been higher,
1:22:31
Speaker 2: but for the last ten years it's about the same anyway,
1:22:35
Speaker 2: So this may be something that is substantially, like even
1:22:40
Speaker 2: more significant than what they're saying. I have to look
1:22:42
Speaker 2: a little bit more closely at it because I'm getting
1:22:44
Speaker 2: some inconsistencies with GROC, which means that it's drawing from
1:22:49
Speaker 2: different sources that may not have the same methodologies. So
1:22:54
Speaker 2: take that with a grain of salt anyway. So the
1:23:00
Speaker 2: but the overall point is that there is a substantial
1:23:04
Speaker 2: at least no, you know, like a seven percent out
1:23:07
Speaker 2: of twenty five is almost one third. So we're looking
1:23:11
Speaker 2: at a substantial decrease in Kentucky. And then we have
1:23:14
Speaker 2: to also we have to also include the other portions
1:23:18
Speaker 2: of this, which is that there are more shared parenting
1:23:22
Speaker 2: initiatives going out in the US, which will reduce the
1:23:26
Speaker 2: marriage rate or the divorce rate overall throughout the US.
1:23:30
Speaker 2: Based just on that, okay, but there is even more
1:23:34
Speaker 2: interesting stuff that's going on. And of course I don't
1:23:38
Speaker 2: know if I should wait till Brian gets back or
1:23:40
Speaker 2: tell you guys, give me an idea. Let me see
1:23:43
Speaker 2: if there's any superchows. Actually, nope, there's no additional send
1:23:47
Speaker 2: them some superchows. So I have something to do while
1:23:49
Speaker 2: we're waiting for Brian to come back, and then we
1:23:51
Speaker 2: can talk about how we're going to tie all of
1:23:53
Speaker 2: this together. Because Kentucky's shared parenting law does have a
1:23:58
Speaker 2: connection to the birth rate, and it's I think it
1:24:01
Speaker 2: is absolutely critical to talk about that because it has
1:24:05
Speaker 2: a lot of implications for how we can solve this issue,
1:24:08
Speaker 2: and again it has a lot of implications for what
1:24:11
Speaker 2: I was talking about years ago, that society, it's not
1:24:15
Speaker 2: men's issues advocates that have men's issues problems. It's society
1:24:18
Speaker 2: that has men's issues problem. Men's issues advocates are the
1:24:21
Speaker 2: ones who have the solution. And what I mean by
1:24:23
Speaker 2: that is all of us here that can talk about
1:24:26
Speaker 2: these things, that can exist in a space where we're
1:24:30
Speaker 2: not constantly absolving women of responsibility and exist in a
1:24:34
Speaker 2: space that can recognize men's vulnerabilities without losing our shit.
1:24:39
Speaker 2: We are the people who are capable of dealing with
1:24:42
Speaker 2: men's issues, of advocating for men's issues, for holding people
1:24:46
Speaker 2: to the grindstone on these issues. It's like we just
1:24:49
Speaker 2: have this natural ability to deal with something that other
1:24:53
Speaker 2: people find utterly toxic. Like they're just they're just they
1:24:56
Speaker 2: just don't like we'd Like I said, we're just some
1:24:58
Speaker 2: strange prototype, some mutant, high powered mutant as mutants of
1:25:02
Speaker 2: some kind. We've got gills, we can breathe underwater. Nobody
1:25:06
Speaker 2: else can do it. Other people this stuff is just
1:25:09
Speaker 2: it just makes them shut down and turn off and
1:25:12
Speaker 2: flick inside out and screech and read and implode and
1:25:16
Speaker 2: try to force you away as quickly as possible. And
1:25:19
Speaker 2: it's because they're too damn weak to hold it. They're
1:25:22
Speaker 2: two damn weak to look at it, they're too damn
1:25:25
Speaker 2: weak to analyze it. And yet this is the problem
1:25:30
Speaker 2: that our society is facing. So that's why I say
1:25:33
Speaker 2: the solution comes from us. The solution has to come
1:25:37
Speaker 2: from us, It has to come from everybody listening to
1:25:39
Speaker 2: me now, has to come from me and Brian, because
1:25:43
Speaker 2: we can actually look at the problem, we can actually
1:25:46
Speaker 2: analyze the problem. It doesn't induce existential terror in us,
1:25:50
Speaker 2: like we're not screaming at the sight of Cthulhu like
1:25:53
Speaker 2: the rest of the fricking world. And yeah, that is
1:25:58
Speaker 2: demonstrating a week mindedness. I'm gonna go I'm gonna come
1:26:02
Speaker 2: out right out and say it. It's weak minded and
1:26:07
Speaker 2: uh I mean. And the reason why I started talking
1:26:10
Speaker 2: about this is because I had people who common and
1:26:13
Speaker 2: they be they'd be despairing over these issues and ever
1:26:17
Speaker 2: getting them faced, and I try I told them to
1:26:22
Speaker 2: frame it in a different way. Okay, yeah, this is
1:26:25
Speaker 2: painful stuff, it's extremely painful, but you're getting gains because
1:26:31
Speaker 2: you're learning to manage it emotionally in a way that
1:26:34
Speaker 2: other people just can't. Right, for whatever reason, we have
1:26:38
Speaker 2: a natural athleticism when it comes to men's issues, and
1:26:42
Speaker 2: it's really our responsibility to exercise it and development as
1:26:46
Speaker 2: much as possible because we are the frontline soldiers when
1:26:49
Speaker 2: it comes to these issues. We're the ones who can
1:26:51
Speaker 2: identify it and there were ones who can carry it
1:26:54
Speaker 2: because it's a heavy burden. Right, So yes, it's painful,
1:26:59
Speaker 2: but it's painful pain with a purpose. It's pain the
1:27:04
Speaker 2: pain of exercising a natural talent and developing it. And again,
1:27:10
Speaker 2: the world, like the West, like our culture, is our
1:27:13
Speaker 2: societies that we live in, our friends and families. They
1:27:16
Speaker 2: aren't going to save us by solving men's issues. We're
1:27:19
Speaker 2: going to save them by advocating for them and making
1:27:23
Speaker 2: sure they're never forgotten or brushed under the rug, like
1:27:26
Speaker 2: feminists want to do, like we're seeing with the shared
1:27:29
Speaker 2: custody initiative. Of course, there are criticisms because feminists want
1:27:34
Speaker 2: to regain control over divorce. They want to continue to
1:27:39
Speaker 2: advocate for their policies and procedures because they give them
1:27:43
Speaker 2: power over people, and of course, because they're friends the
1:27:47
Speaker 2: divorce lawyers gain a lot of money from them. You're
1:27:51
Speaker 2: scared of Cuthulhu just saying okay, but are you scared
1:27:54
Speaker 2: of men's issues? Because men's issues exist, Kathuli does not.
1:27:59
Speaker 2: All right, get the super chows in guys, feed the
1:28:01
Speaker 2: Badger dot com slash just the tip. And also remember
1:28:05
Speaker 2: we are doing our monthly fundraisers, So help us out
1:28:08
Speaker 2: and feed the Badger dot com slash support. And I'm
1:28:11
Speaker 2: gonna look at the uh, I'm gonna look at oh
1:28:14
Speaker 2: oh uh Okay, we got a we got a big,
1:28:19
Speaker 2: big support that I should probably think and I'll do that.
1:28:23
Speaker 5: Now.
1:28:23
Speaker 2: You just have to wait while I log into what
1:28:26
Speaker 2: word press, which is always it is always a bit
1:28:28
Speaker 2: of an adventure word press. You never know what you're
1:28:30
Speaker 2: gonna get. Okay, so let us see what we got here.
1:28:36
Speaker 2: And I do want to make sure to thank this
1:28:37
Speaker 2: dude because as you will see, it is it is substantial.
1:28:42
Speaker 2: I wish I had access to like the things that
1:28:46
Speaker 2: Brian used to do with those little thank you all right,
1:28:50
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna just go with Jeff. I want to
1:28:53
Speaker 2: do a big thank you to Jeff for one thousand
1:28:57
Speaker 2: dollars put to the fundraiser. Feed Thebadger dot com slash support.
1:29:02
Speaker 2: Thank you. So we're we're funded big thanks to Jeff.
1:29:05
Speaker 2: Guys put some thanks in the chat. Yeah we're good
1:29:10
Speaker 2: because we had seven hundred dollars and now we're now
1:29:13
Speaker 2: we're fully funded. So either was my yapping that convinced
1:29:16
Speaker 2: Jet Jeff or he was always going to help us out.
1:29:20
Speaker 2: Either way, thank you Jeff, big thanks, Thank you for
1:29:23
Speaker 2: forwarding the cause of recognizing that society needs to actually
1:29:26
Speaker 2: deal with these issues. And again, guys, you're not the
1:29:31
Speaker 2: ones with the men's problems men's issues problems society is.
1:29:35
Speaker 2: You're the ones that are gonna help them fix it
1:29:38
Speaker 2: because you can actually deal with sight of them without
1:29:41
Speaker 2: running and pissing your pants. Stubborn people, stubborn men, stubborn women.
1:29:47
Speaker 2: Pride yourselves on that. Give yourself a patent the back
1:29:49
Speaker 2: for that. Let's see if Brian's back. No, he's still
1:29:54
Speaker 2: do this is like I guess that he's getting a
1:29:56
Speaker 2: dining room set, So that's gonna take a while. I'm
1:29:58
Speaker 2: guessing because you know dining that have multiple things in them,
1:30:02
Speaker 2: so I could just imagine Brian arranging everything in his
1:30:06
Speaker 2: dining room. So we may we may have to chatter
1:30:09
Speaker 2: for a little bit. So I'll go, I'll look at
1:30:11
Speaker 2: the I'll look at the chat with you guys. See
1:30:13
Speaker 2: what you're saying. Any super chows and Jeff, if you
1:30:20
Speaker 2: want to say anything, just tag me and you don't
1:30:24
Speaker 2: have to put it through for that, you know, don't
1:30:26
Speaker 2: you don't. Just Just give me a tag and I'll
1:30:30
Speaker 2: all right. So let's see what you guys are saying.
1:30:35
Speaker 2: Take that with the groc of sand. Yeah, I always
1:30:37
Speaker 2: take groc with the groc of sand because groc sometimes
1:30:42
Speaker 2: gets into some interesting conundrums. Not so much anymore because
1:30:47
Speaker 2: they did an upgrade onto Grock, which makes it rely
1:30:52
Speaker 2: more on empirically sound data. So it went from spouting
1:30:56
Speaker 2: off all kinds of crap from feminist sources to actually
1:31:00
Speaker 2: citing evo psych sources, which I've had this discussion with
1:31:05
Speaker 2: an individual who's currently pursuing a PhD in criminal science.
1:31:13
Speaker 2: Evo psych is the competitor for the definition of the
1:31:18
Speaker 2: relationship between men and women relative to feminism, And when
1:31:22
Speaker 2: I say evo psych, it's actually the academic arm, so
1:31:26
Speaker 2: it is pretty rigorous. It's got empirical merit. Feminism has none.
1:31:31
Speaker 2: All feminism has right now, is what perplexity AI terms
1:31:37
Speaker 2: authority because it has multiple citations and the people who
1:31:42
Speaker 2: are creating these papers are considered authorities in the subject area.
1:31:46
Speaker 2: So the subject area is the relationship between men and women.
1:31:50
Speaker 2: Feminists came in and colonized that, and academia were like, oh, yeah, sure,
1:31:55
Speaker 2: go ahead, well, you know, go do whatever you want
1:31:58
Speaker 2: with that, and feminists were like, yes, thank you. We
1:32:00
Speaker 2: will use the perception of the relationship between men and
1:32:03
Speaker 2: women to pursue our own ends, which in those ends
1:32:06
Speaker 2: will be political control and money. And we don't give
1:32:10
Speaker 2: a crap about what anybody else We don't. We don't
1:32:12
Speaker 2: give it. Not only do we not give a crap
1:32:14
Speaker 2: about men, we also don't give a crap about women.
1:32:16
Speaker 2: We will pursue the interests of feminism, their interests of
1:32:20
Speaker 2: our ideology. It's sort of like, you know, islamis pursue
1:32:24
Speaker 2: the interests of their version of Islam. Same difference. So
1:32:28
Speaker 2: there were they just redefine the relationship between sex is
1:32:31
Speaker 2: to just basically be whatever feminism needed it to be
1:32:35
Speaker 2: at the time, to do what feminism wanted. And they
1:32:39
Speaker 2: said this and academia was like, sure, yeah, knock yourselves out.
1:32:43
Speaker 2: That can't possibly go wrong for us or for all
1:32:46
Speaker 2: of human society. No, that sounds awesome. Let do that. Yeah,
1:32:50
Speaker 2: we're not gonna say no, We're not even going to
1:32:52
Speaker 2: give you any oversight. You can create as much empirically,
1:32:57
Speaker 2: you can create as much false and muscl eating bullshit
1:33:01
Speaker 2: as you want, and we will sign off on it.
1:33:03
Speaker 2: We'll let you continue to grow like a cancer. Have
1:33:07
Speaker 2: a And also, politicians love feminism. Divorce lauras and politicians
1:33:14
Speaker 2: love feminism because feminism makes them feel like they're doing
1:33:18
Speaker 2: anything aside from stealing from real people. Was that okay, all.
1:33:25
Speaker 1: Right, I'm back, So we can go till about three
1:33:29
Speaker 1: if you want.
1:33:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to go till three okay? Oh no, No,
1:33:34
Speaker 2: three is in twenty three minutes. I thought you meant
1:33:36
Speaker 2: three my time.
1:33:37
Speaker 1: No, no, no until Yeah, like, we can go until the
1:33:40
Speaker 1: top of the hour if you want. Because the guy
1:33:42
Speaker 1: showed up a little bit earlier than I thought, but
1:33:44
Speaker 1: he was willing to help me carry the tables inside,
1:33:47
Speaker 1: so it made it easier. I saw that thing, and
1:33:51
Speaker 1: it was like.
1:33:53
Speaker 2: So Metallica says, men's issues don't scare me quite as
1:33:57
Speaker 2: much as the average Normany's ability to listen to my
1:33:59
Speaker 2: weltha that arguments, only to mentally throw them out the
1:34:02
Speaker 2: very next second. Yes, isn't that fascinating? Like you, you
1:34:08
Speaker 2: can talk to a normal person and you'll explain everything right,
1:34:13
Speaker 2: and then they'll just the next second they just default
1:34:15
Speaker 2: back onto you know what they've been trained to to
1:34:19
Speaker 2: vomit forth from their pie horse.
1:34:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it's way too challenging to their world ring.
1:34:25
Speaker 2: Oh got it.
1:34:27
Speaker 1: It's so hard. It's way because they even if they
1:34:30
Speaker 1: don't like things the way they are, they're comfortable with
1:34:34
Speaker 1: them being the way they are, even if you like,
1:34:37
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard. Man. I got a super chow
1:34:42
Speaker 1: from Betty Adams just now. Thank you Betty, and she
1:34:46
Speaker 1: gives us ten dollars and says, could what is different
1:34:49
Speaker 1: about us? Men's issues? People have to do with being
1:34:52
Speaker 1: low in politeness and high in compassion. I recall that
1:34:56
Speaker 1: your Big Big five personality test results show that you were,
1:35:01
Speaker 1: and I know mine were. If there is a massive
1:35:03
Speaker 1: cultural pressure to extend more compassion of women than men,
1:35:07
Speaker 1: then being low in politeness might allow us to ignore
1:35:09
Speaker 1: that to some degree, while if we are high in conscientiousness,
1:35:14
Speaker 1: our sense of justice would demand men get their fair
1:35:16
Speaker 1: share of compassion.
1:35:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The the problem with the Big Five personality
1:35:23
Speaker 2: test is conflates two aspects of compassion that end up
1:35:28
Speaker 2: making that that element of the Big Five I think,
1:35:32
Speaker 2: lose a lot of its explanatory power. And what I
1:35:34
Speaker 2: mean by that is there's being polite and then there's
1:35:38
Speaker 2: being compassionate. Right, so people will be polite in order
1:35:42
Speaker 2: to maintain their own their agreeableness. Well yeah, yeah, agreeableness,
1:35:49
Speaker 2: But agreeableness has compassion and politeness. People can be polite
1:35:54
Speaker 2: out of selfishness because they simply don't want to They
1:35:58
Speaker 2: don't want to bear the cost of truth. But people
1:36:02
Speaker 2: who are low in politeness behind compassion will bear the
1:36:07
Speaker 2: cost of staying the truth as they see it, regardless
1:36:12
Speaker 2: of how much social pressure they have to be polite.
1:36:15
Speaker 2: And the problem is that the Big five complaints those
1:36:18
Speaker 2: two things and it's capturing completely different things. It's actually
1:36:21
Speaker 2: also capturing things completely like mentally, people who are who
1:36:29
Speaker 2: express politeness versus compassion, those that they occupy different parts
1:36:35
Speaker 2: of the brain. Okay, so social like adhering to what
1:36:40
Speaker 2: is expected of you socially is not a form of compassion.
1:36:44
Speaker 2: It's a form of conformity that is intended to get
1:36:47
Speaker 2: what you want out of other people, right, I mean,
1:36:51
Speaker 2: in a certain degree, polite politeness can be considered compassionate
1:36:57
Speaker 2: if it if it if it's a situation where you
1:37:00
Speaker 2: are foregoing your own interests in order to benefit another person.
1:37:05
Speaker 2: But that's not always the case, so it's not the
1:37:09
Speaker 2: social conformity doesn't necessarily have anything to do with actually compassion.
1:37:13
Speaker 2: So I would say the Big Five agreeableness is not
1:37:16
Speaker 2: a really good metric of anything. That section on agreeableness.
1:37:20
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I scored really low in politeness, I think,
1:37:25
Speaker 2: surprising no one, and high in compassion. So if I
1:37:29
Speaker 2: feel like some there is a lie that is inhibiting
1:37:34
Speaker 2: a person from a benefit that they would get if
1:37:39
Speaker 2: they don't believe the lie, I'm very likely to point
1:37:42
Speaker 2: out what the truth is, even if they hate me
1:37:45
Speaker 2: for it. And I mean that even goes beyond compassion
1:37:49
Speaker 2: to the fact that I really really detest people lying
1:37:55
Speaker 2: to themselves or people lying to others. I really detest life.
1:38:00
Speaker 2: Now it's some of that, Like I really had a
1:38:05
Speaker 2: problem with white lies. You know, as I get older,
1:38:08
Speaker 2: I think I've gotten a little bit more Okay, with
1:38:10
Speaker 2: them because I've realized that when people engage in white lies,
1:38:14
Speaker 2: it is a form of compassion. They're trying to make
1:38:18
Speaker 2: you feel better. It's just that I don't I just
1:38:22
Speaker 2: I'd rather the truth, even if it pisses me off,
1:38:26
Speaker 2: you know, And I really can't stand the feeling of
1:38:29
Speaker 2: being handled like often people will use a white lie,
1:38:33
Speaker 2: or they'll use like politeness, a polite thing in order
1:38:39
Speaker 2: to soften the blow. And to my autistic brain, that's
1:38:45
Speaker 2: that feels manipulative. But you know, like I said, I've
1:38:48
Speaker 2: tried to not follow the autism as much as I
1:38:53
Speaker 2: get older, But anyway, that's me. And yes, I think
1:38:57
Speaker 2: it is true. I think people here probably are low
1:39:00
Speaker 2: on politeness, high on compassion, or at the very least
1:39:04
Speaker 2: high on wanting there to be consistency and principles and truth,
1:39:10
Speaker 2: which you can want even without necessarily being high on compassion. Right,
1:39:15
Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, I mean, honestly, we're the stubborn ones.
1:39:21
Speaker 2: We're the ones who refuse to step away. Like everybody
1:39:23
Speaker 2: here who's continued to listen to us day after day
1:39:26
Speaker 2: after day. You guys are the guns who ground, who grind,
1:39:30
Speaker 2: And I mean, I know a lot of times we
1:39:32
Speaker 2: get pushed back because we don't have like a million
1:39:34
Speaker 2: subscribers on our channel, even though I think that they're Like,
1:39:38
Speaker 2: when we talk about stuff, you'll notice other YouTubers with
1:39:42
Speaker 2: a wider reach start picking up on it. Yeah, lots
1:39:46
Speaker 2: of people have noticed this and pointed it out to
1:39:48
Speaker 2: us that we sort of get to it first, and
1:39:51
Speaker 2: by getting to it first, you guys who listened to
1:39:53
Speaker 2: us get it to even more first. Well, no, we
1:39:56
Speaker 2: get to it first, and then you get it to
1:39:58
Speaker 2: it first. After that, Okay, mind anyway, So but my
1:40:01
Speaker 2: point is that you guys have stuck with this day
1:40:03
Speaker 2: after day after day, those of you who have This
1:40:06
Speaker 2: isn't about being popular. It's about grinding and getting gains
1:40:14
Speaker 2: when it comes to advocating for men's issues, becoming stronger
1:40:19
Speaker 2: and more capable of finding and deploying the arguments that
1:40:27
Speaker 2: shut feminists down. And that's what we need to do now,
1:40:32
Speaker 2: is we need to shut them down because the world
1:40:37
Speaker 2: is healing, even if it's a small like if it's
1:40:40
Speaker 2: a little small thing Kentucky shared parenting, the world is healing,
1:40:45
Speaker 2: and feminists take offense at that because apparently they want
1:40:51
Speaker 2: to destroy everything and themselves. Well, I mean, they just
1:40:57
Speaker 2: don't they don't have any foresight. Okay, so let's let's
1:41:03
Speaker 2: finish this off.
1:41:04
Speaker 1: Do you want to finish this off?
1:41:05
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, I don't know if you heard Jeff,
1:41:09
Speaker 2: who is somebody that I don't know. I'm just let
1:41:12
Speaker 2: me double check. Gave us a thousand bucks, So we're.
1:41:18
Speaker 1: Jeff. I wish I had like a sound effect I
1:41:20
Speaker 1: still don't have. Yeah, I was.
1:41:21
Speaker 2: Talking about that too.
1:41:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm working on it. I'm working on it.
1:41:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm almoso need to work.
1:41:32
Speaker 1: On starting to but then like my the soundboard that
1:41:35
Speaker 1: I was using for some reason, it's not liking any
1:41:39
Speaker 1: of my sounds, so I may have to start over
1:41:44
Speaker 1: with it, which kind of sucks. So yeah, but yeah, So.
1:41:49
Speaker 2: Thank you to Jeff. Big thanks to Jeff. And so
1:41:55
Speaker 2: I just wanted to tell you that because that's pretty
1:41:56
Speaker 2: cool and that means we're funded because we only had
1:41:58
Speaker 2: seven hundred dollars left.
1:42:00
Speaker 1: Awesome.
1:42:02
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it looks like he's he's actually a supporter,
1:42:08
Speaker 2: So thank you. Although it's been a couple of years
1:42:13
Speaker 2: since he supported No, no, it's been a year one year.
1:42:16
Speaker 2: But no, that's great. Thank you for coming back, Jeff,
1:42:20
Speaker 2: It's nice to see you. Okay, Right, so.
1:42:23
Speaker 1: We've been playing more of this.
1:42:25
Speaker 5: Yep, equal custody, which is huge for them, but.
1:42:30
Speaker 7: Shows how many women just you divorce as a I
1:42:33
Speaker 7: don't have to do anything and I get, you know,
1:42:35
Speaker 7: a check for the next eighteen.
1:42:36
Speaker 2: Years, no crap.
1:42:39
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad that he brought that up because
1:42:42
Speaker 1: a lot of people would just say, like something else,
1:42:45
Speaker 1: like definitely that whole thing about like, you know, women
1:42:48
Speaker 1: should be I don't know, like that that whole idea
1:42:51
Speaker 1: of pathologizing husbands against their wives. Yes, you can encourage divorce.
1:42:56
Speaker 1: That is definitely a myth that has to die.
1:42:58
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean the myth of the pathologize the husband,
1:43:02
Speaker 2: not that they are doing this because they are definitely.
1:43:05
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, the myth, the myth that they're perpetuating,
1:43:08
Speaker 1: is what I mean.
1:43:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it really like conservatives really need
1:43:13
Speaker 2: to close off that blind spot.
1:43:15
Speaker 1: Another thing too, is that like, well, I mean, yeah,
1:43:18
Speaker 1: I think that women are using divorce to get paid,
1:43:20
Speaker 1: but I also think that women could be using it
1:43:25
Speaker 1: for revenge, They could be using it for you know,
1:43:28
Speaker 1: for petty reasons. The fact that there is almost no risk,
1:43:31
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of incentives to do it, and
1:43:35
Speaker 1: they get you know, coerced into it by divorce lawyers,
1:43:38
Speaker 1: by peers, buy the media. It's everywhere. Like I said,
1:43:42
Speaker 1: it's normalized like this. You know that. How many stories
1:43:48
Speaker 1: and films and stuff have you seen where they show
1:43:52
Speaker 1: like a married wife as miserable because she's married and
1:43:54
Speaker 1: there's something that tempts her away to get divorced, whether
1:43:58
Speaker 1: it's you know, like another or uh not. Well that
1:44:02
Speaker 1: used to be a thing, but now it's less of
1:44:03
Speaker 1: that Now it's more like, you know, a job and
1:44:06
Speaker 1: like something fulfilling single women around them, getting them to
1:44:09
Speaker 1: leave their husbands or whatever. So yeah, there's a lot
1:44:13
Speaker 1: of factors. But but yeah, I think that that's a
1:44:16
Speaker 1: big one. All right, So more of this.
1:44:19
Speaker 7: Things about equal custody is I'm pretty sure it's like
1:44:21
Speaker 7: way harder to get a good alan, right, Yes.
1:44:25
Speaker 5: So yeah, that kind of happened actually a little bit
1:44:28
Speaker 5: after this legislation was passed.
1:44:30
Speaker 6: Because again, men have no rights. Aha, it's nothing it's
1:44:32
Speaker 6: gonna ever could change.
1:44:33
Speaker 5: But fortunately recently Kentucky's legislature did decide that parents who
1:44:39
Speaker 5: spend more time caring for their children should also pay
1:44:41
Speaker 5: lesson child support, so to be fair, in these divorces,
1:44:46
Speaker 5: men still often are saddled with child support.
1:44:50
Speaker 6: However, at least now.
1:44:52
Speaker 5: The state's like, oh wait a second, you fifty percent custody.
1:44:57
Speaker 6: What's going on here?
1:44:58
Speaker 5: And I've actually seen this show up organically in like
1:45:03
Speaker 5: financial audit interview YouTube channel shows where mothers who are used.
1:45:09
Speaker 6: To getting child support are complaining about this.
1:45:13
Speaker 1: So it's financial you mean, like that guy that's always
1:45:16
Speaker 1: got viral videos where he's like talking to he's trying
1:45:20
Speaker 1: to help people balance their budgets, okay, off their beds. Yeah, back, Yeah,
1:45:25
Speaker 1: there's there's a surprise. Well I'm not surprising if you
1:45:28
Speaker 1: if you're here, but there's a large number of women
1:45:32
Speaker 1: that are angry that child support payments are not even
1:45:35
Speaker 1: like they're losing them, but they're just being like maybe
1:45:37
Speaker 1: they're being reduced, you know, or they're not able to
1:45:40
Speaker 1: increase them or something. Mm hmm yeah, yeah, all right,
1:45:46
Speaker 1: is there another keep going? Yep, they're freaking out.
1:45:50
Speaker 7: They're like, what what am I supposed to get a job.
1:45:54
Speaker 5: They're like, and now my child support's gone down because
1:45:56
Speaker 5: my husband is you know, has fifty So this is
1:46:01
Speaker 5: showing up like in the wild and naturally I think
1:46:04
Speaker 5: if that's really.
1:46:05
Speaker 7: For pernatalism, this is something we should push more sore.
1:46:08
Speaker 7: I think forced equal custody and forced no child support
1:46:12
Speaker 7: when there is equal custody, because there shouldn't be child
1:46:13
Speaker 7: supported in equal custody cases.
1:46:15
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
1:46:17
Speaker 5: Get child support in the event that a woman like
1:46:20
Speaker 5: completely draws.
1:46:23
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I agree, like she she went into the
1:46:25
Speaker 7: marriage to be a homemaker and never had a job.
1:46:27
Speaker 1: I get that. I don't want to say anything about it.
1:46:32
Speaker 1: That whatever, it's fine, Yeah, I mean.
1:46:35
Speaker 2: Honestly, like I think most men's men's issues advocates are
1:46:41
Speaker 2: probably fine with that as long as men have equal
1:46:45
Speaker 2: shared custody physical custody. This is an outcome that's like
1:46:51
Speaker 2: a lot of fathers have primary custody and still pay
1:46:55
Speaker 2: child support.
1:46:56
Speaker 1: Well. The other thing too, is that, like the thing
1:46:58
Speaker 1: about child support is that, like does it actually go
1:47:01
Speaker 1: to the child? Probably not, But like that that's the
1:47:04
Speaker 1: thing too, is that a lot of times child support
1:47:06
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way to control, no, not
1:47:10
Speaker 1: at all, only to the child or if the mom
1:47:13
Speaker 1: just uses it for whatever.
1:47:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there's no way of controlling that. And I've
1:47:18
Speaker 2: heard stories of fathers who have to pay child support.
1:47:21
Speaker 2: They don't want to go back to family courts or
1:47:23
Speaker 2: at least this is a wild act because they didn't
1:47:26
Speaker 2: want anything to be changed. They were just they were
1:47:29
Speaker 2: fine paying child support as long as they had access
1:47:31
Speaker 2: to their kids, and they didn't want to rock the
1:47:33
Speaker 2: boat because of the kind of bias they were facing
1:47:39
Speaker 2: in the courts. But it sounds like people are finally,
1:47:42
Speaker 2: you know, cleaning up the feminism. We need to start.
1:47:48
Speaker 2: We need an aggressive, clean guys. We need it out
1:47:50
Speaker 2: of our NGOs, We need it out of our schools.
1:47:53
Speaker 2: We course need it out of the family courts, and
1:47:55
Speaker 2: we need it. We need our politicians too. It needs
1:47:59
Speaker 2: to be political suicide to start talking about feminism, at
1:48:06
Speaker 2: least the feminism that says, I mean, we could talk
1:48:09
Speaker 2: about equal rights, that's fine. Not the feminism that frames
1:48:14
Speaker 2: men as abusers, oppressors and using domestic violence and sexual
1:48:20
Speaker 2: assault to oppress women. That is, it is unsubstantiated malarchy.
1:48:27
Speaker 2: Remember years ago, I don't know if you remember this,
1:48:32
Speaker 2: she got involved in this. I did a tweet that
1:48:35
Speaker 2: said the assertion that men oppressed women is as it
1:48:48
Speaker 2: is a radical assertion which requires no it's an extraordinary
1:48:53
Speaker 2: assertion which requires extraordinary evidence, and which has not been supplied.
1:49:02
Speaker 2: In fact, there's no like literally, there is no evidence.
1:49:06
Speaker 2: And where there is evidence, it's against the assertion. And
1:49:11
Speaker 2: she retweeted it and she got shit. I don't know
1:49:15
Speaker 2: if you know about that. She she got she got
1:49:21
Speaker 2: flambayed for it, although I think now she'd probably agree
1:49:27
Speaker 2: with it, like wholeheartedly. Anyway, Yeah, should we watch a
1:49:32
Speaker 2: little bit more. It seemed to you seem to have
1:49:34
Speaker 2: you seem to have trailed off, so perhaps we should
1:49:36
Speaker 2: do a bit more.
1:49:37
Speaker 1: I mean I was just listening to you and looking
1:49:38
Speaker 1: at the chat.
1:49:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the sort of the worst you make divorce,
1:49:43
Speaker 7: the less divorce we're going to have, right and.
1:49:47
Speaker 5: Kind of, but we'll see a comparison there. Actually, I'm
1:49:49
Speaker 5: just gonna jump to it because we should. We should
1:49:51
Speaker 5: compare how this how this is related to China. So
1:49:56
Speaker 5: while this reform obviously is focused on first and foremost
1:50:00
Speaker 5: creating a fair or system like, this legislation wasn't passed
1:50:03
Speaker 5: within knowledge that it was going to reduce to horse rates.
1:50:07
Speaker 5: It was just to it was it was it was
1:50:08
Speaker 5: creating a system that incentivized less adversarial breakups.
1:50:14
Speaker 1: M all right, I'm just pausing for the banana and
1:50:17
Speaker 1: like I don't know, but yeah, I mean that's the thing.
1:50:20
Speaker 1: You don't have to start from the we want to
1:50:23
Speaker 1: lower divorce rates. You just balance. You can just do
1:50:26
Speaker 1: it for like what they said, because it's a more
1:50:29
Speaker 1: just system to presume a fifty to fifty shared parenting
1:50:32
Speaker 1: and to like presume that you know either party, if
1:50:36
Speaker 1: there is an abusive party, it could be either up
1:50:39
Speaker 1: one of them, and instead of having the sort of
1:50:41
Speaker 1: like you know, inherent favor of yeah, it's like a
1:50:46
Speaker 1: and it's based I mean, if they if there's data,
1:50:48
Speaker 1: they're probably pulling it from feminist sources that will claim,
1:50:51
Speaker 1: you know, what we've been saying on this show for
1:50:53
Speaker 1: you know, the entire time, and it would just have
1:50:57
Speaker 1: the side effect. That's that, And that's like what the
1:51:00
Speaker 1: best outcome honestly, because like then you don't really have
1:51:03
Speaker 1: to you don't have to necessarily be like, you know,
1:51:06
Speaker 1: a pro natilist person in the sense of policy, because
1:51:10
Speaker 1: you can't really put into policy like mandated marriages. But
1:51:14
Speaker 1: if you make marriage like not a disaster for men,
1:51:20
Speaker 1: then you're and and it will benefit them and children
1:51:24
Speaker 1: and women at least, and that way, like if they're
1:51:28
Speaker 1: because the thing is right now, marriage and child support
1:51:32
Speaker 1: and alimony, they're all just kind of like salad bar
1:51:35
Speaker 1: items that a woman could take if she wants to,
1:51:37
Speaker 1: and there's no commitment, no matter what, she can just decide,
1:51:41
Speaker 1: you know, I, you know what, I don't want to
1:51:42
Speaker 1: get married anymore. I think I'm just gonna like get
1:51:44
Speaker 1: a divorce and collect payments from this guy, just like
1:51:48
Speaker 1: to do with children. I don't want to be pregnant.
1:51:50
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get an abortion. I'm just gonna take
1:51:52
Speaker 1: some you know, some aspirin or whatever kind of whatever
1:51:55
Speaker 1: it is to kill my baby, right and the because
1:51:58
Speaker 1: there's no negative repercussions for that, women are gonna do it.
1:52:03
Speaker 1: But if you do have these things in place, they're
1:52:05
Speaker 1: not even negative on women. They will just be like
1:52:08
Speaker 1: a thing they have to take in consideration. So it's like, well, okay,
1:52:11
Speaker 1: marriage is gonna involve it's gonna be a lot harder
1:52:14
Speaker 1: for me to get out of without losing something potentially,
1:52:18
Speaker 1: So now I gotta be really thoughtful about whether or
1:52:20
Speaker 1: not I want to do to begin with. And so
1:52:22
Speaker 1: the women who say, well, I'm gonna get married anyway
1:52:24
Speaker 1: because I want kids, I want a family, and I
1:52:26
Speaker 1: want to be married to a man who I love,
1:52:29
Speaker 1: then they're gonna do it regardless. And then the ones
1:52:32
Speaker 1: that think of it in a sort of like a
1:52:34
Speaker 1: disposable flighty way, well they're not gonna do it. And
1:52:37
Speaker 1: that's it's better that a woman who has no intention
1:52:39
Speaker 1: of committing to someone. It's better she never get married,
1:52:44
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. So she never does, and that's
1:52:47
Speaker 1: good for her, and it's good for him because he
1:52:50
Speaker 1: doesn't like a man who's entering marriage probably doesn't have
1:52:53
Speaker 1: that same like mindset of seeing it as disposable, so
1:52:57
Speaker 1: he's gonna be destroyed by the divorce. And it's good
1:53:01
Speaker 1: for any children that might get involved. So I think
1:53:03
Speaker 1: this is just like a win win win regardless.
1:53:07
Speaker 2: Oh it's even more than that, because there's another entity
1:53:10
Speaker 2: that's winning. We haven't even covered by the way I'm
1:53:13
Speaker 2: going to spurg out on you in terms of my
1:53:15
Speaker 2: design early sense, when we are in that the vertical
1:53:21
Speaker 2: stream where it's where you have the responding thing in
1:53:25
Speaker 2: the middle, your video is not going all the way
1:53:28
Speaker 2: the end edge it like driving me nuts because I'm
1:53:31
Speaker 2: an artist, and I apologize.
1:53:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just don't change anything right now, but.
1:53:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just have to stretch it when it's well,
1:53:39
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't do it until we are like anyway,
1:53:42
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, but I'm just pointing it out. Okay,
1:53:45
Speaker 2: let's finish this.
1:53:47
Speaker 5: So there's like less money spent on lawyers, less fighting,
1:53:50
Speaker 5: less people just divorcing to try to get a bunch
1:53:53
Speaker 5: of stuff out of their partner.
1:53:55
Speaker 6: And in contrast, China's policies.
1:53:57
Speaker 5: Which we did go over in an episode a while ago,
1:54:00
Speaker 5: more on slowing or preventing divorce by regulation and delight.
1:54:04
Speaker 7: I remember I thought I had a positive Effectai effect.
1:54:06
Speaker 2: So wait, wait, wait wait, I'm curious. Now, let's see.
1:54:12
Speaker 5: Both have reduced divorce rates, but China's approach also appears
1:54:17
Speaker 5: to have discouraged both marriage and childbearing, which is an
1:54:20
Speaker 5: effect that is not seen.
1:54:22
Speaker 7: Why is it? I don't understand how this could affect
1:54:24
Speaker 7: marriage in childbearing?
1:54:25
Speaker 6: The Chinese policy, well, that's interesting. Different.
1:54:29
Speaker 5: Since twenty twenty one, China requires a mandatory thirty day
1:54:33
Speaker 5: cooling off period for couple seeking an uncontested that is
1:54:36
Speaker 5: to say mutual consent divorce and either party can withdraw
1:54:39
Speaker 5: during this time, which halts the process. And the cooling
1:54:43
Speaker 5: off period did lead to a drop in divorce, but
1:54:46
Speaker 5: honestly it's lower. So their divorce rate fell from three
1:54:51
Speaker 5: point four percent in twenty nineteen to around one point
1:54:55
Speaker 5: eight percent in twenty twenty three.
1:54:56
Speaker 6: I think that's lower.
1:54:58
Speaker 1: I think change is much better.
1:55:00
Speaker 5: So then at the same time, marriage rates declined as well,
1:55:04
Speaker 5: and the birth rate continued dropping, which suggests that more
1:55:07
Speaker 5: people now are just avoiding marriage entirely.
1:55:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it China's like, you know,
1:55:14
Speaker 2: their system is a bit better, but maybe not as
1:55:17
Speaker 2: good as what we're what they're meant what they're constructing
1:55:20
Speaker 2: in Kentucky. And you know why, Like you know what
1:55:24
Speaker 2: this is being constructed from, guys, It's been constructed from
1:55:28
Speaker 2: the men's issues, men's rights talking points. What's happening in Kentucky. Yeah,
1:55:34
Speaker 2: because we kept this stuff alive. They're constructing policy based
1:55:40
Speaker 2: on it, and they're finding downstream effects.
1:55:43
Speaker 1: Now.
1:55:43
Speaker 2: I don't know if if some simone and me'll come
1:55:48
Speaker 2: talk about So let's just keep.
1:55:50
Speaker 1: Going, all right.
1:55:52
Speaker 5: That's the difficulty of divorce and there has been no
1:55:56
Speaker 5: measured decline in marriage or birth rate pack because.
1:56:01
Speaker 7: Here I suggest people watch our video on nobody wants
1:56:04
Speaker 7: to marry Chinese women anymore, there is any Chinese cultural
1:56:08
Speaker 7: change your.
1:56:08
Speaker 1: Own women where they.
1:56:10
Speaker 7: Like woke women in the United States and they're just
1:56:14
Speaker 7: nobody wants to marry them anymore.
1:56:16
Speaker 1: And so I don't think I believe that. I mean,
1:56:19
Speaker 1: I know that's true that like well Asian women are
1:56:24
Speaker 1: are in China, South Korea, I know for sure those countries.
1:56:28
Speaker 1: I think Japan too. Their their standards are crazy high.
1:56:32
Speaker 1: They're like super high pergamas, and they're the men are
1:56:35
Speaker 1: just they find that they're worth it. So I think
1:56:37
Speaker 1: that Chinese birth rates in those countries, well, Chinese birth
1:56:41
Speaker 1: rates are low, not birth rates. Marriage rates are low
1:56:44
Speaker 1: because the women are impossible. So and that's great, like
1:56:49
Speaker 1: worse than the woke women in America, so that they're
1:56:53
Speaker 1: super cooked. I yeah that super.
1:56:59
Speaker 2: What Like Chinese women are insanely hypergrammag So I think
1:57:02
Speaker 2: we're gonna to get like ear pods for you because
1:57:06
Speaker 2: you're not like, uh, maybe you're not hearing me completely.
1:57:10
Speaker 1: I heard you. It was just that I was talking
1:57:13
Speaker 1: when you were talking. So I couldn't myself.
1:57:18
Speaker 2: Because I'm quiet and Canadian and you're loud in Chicago Ian.
1:57:22
Speaker 1: I'm loud in Puerto Rican.
1:57:24
Speaker 2: That well yeah, okay, so all right, so let's uh,
1:57:30
Speaker 2: I think we're almost like, I don't I don't know
1:57:33
Speaker 2: if they actually cover the the item that I found out.
1:57:41
Speaker 1: Okay, well, do you want to just tell me because
1:57:44
Speaker 1: it's just like a long video.
1:57:46
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, let's let's I'll just you know what, I'll
1:57:48
Speaker 2: just I'll just tell I'll tell everyone. Okay. So I
1:57:52
Speaker 2: was having an argument. I know, it's a shock, guys.
1:57:55
Speaker 2: I was having an argument with a feminist on Twitter
1:57:59
Speaker 2: and we were just discussing the association between divorce and actually, no,
1:58:06
Speaker 2: it wasn't divorce. It started off we're talking about birth rates,
1:58:10
Speaker 2: and the feminist said, well, if we wanted to increase
1:58:14
Speaker 2: birth rates, we would men would do more chores around
1:58:20
Speaker 2: the house. And we got into an extended discussion and
1:58:25
Speaker 2: I pointed out that men doing more chores is associated
1:58:30
Speaker 2: with divorce, and she kept bringing up, oh, but but
1:58:34
Speaker 2: women say that they're more satisfied in relationships where men
1:58:39
Speaker 2: do more chores. But and what was happening was groc
1:58:45
Speaker 2: and then later she moved to chat chat GPT because
1:58:48
Speaker 2: GROC wasn't giving her the answer she wanted. Was drawing
1:58:52
Speaker 2: from studies that asked women, do you feel it's more
1:58:57
Speaker 2: fair if your partner does more chores? And the women
1:59:00
Speaker 2: I said yes, and they were extrapolating from women's feelings
1:59:04
Speaker 2: that this would result in fewer divorces. But when you
1:59:08
Speaker 2: actually looked at the empirical evidence, and this is I
1:59:11
Speaker 2: went through this with CHATDPT, Chat GPT gave me a
1:59:14
Speaker 2: whole bunch of crap based on these feminist studies and
1:59:17
Speaker 2: women saying, oh, it's more fair, I feel like it's
1:59:21
Speaker 2: more fair, I feel like I'm less taking advantage of
1:59:24
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel I feel I feel And
1:59:26
Speaker 2: I said, stop, give me the numbers. What is the behavior?
1:59:32
Speaker 2: What is the association with men taking on more chores
1:59:38
Speaker 2: and divorce the behavior of ending a relationship and chat
1:59:43
Speaker 2: GPT is like, oh yes, actually looking at empirically sound
1:59:48
Speaker 2: findings and associations between behavior is what we should be doing. Oh,
1:59:52
Speaker 2: by the way, there is a strong association between men
1:59:56
Speaker 2: taking on equal number equal chores and divorce. And the
2:00:02
Speaker 2: overall argument was whether or not chores increase the birth rate.
2:00:05
Speaker 2: So I said, okay, chat GPT, you know, discount Grock.
2:00:09
Speaker 2: That's what I'll call chat.
2:00:11
Speaker 1: Is not just stupid.
2:00:16
Speaker 2: Okay, chat GPT is bargain basement Grock. Now are a
2:00:22
Speaker 2: sales bin Grock? This dollar store Groc? Okay, dollar store Groc.
2:00:29
Speaker 2: What is if you look at if you include the
2:00:33
Speaker 2: negative effect of divorce on the birth rate, does men
2:00:40
Speaker 2: increasing their chores result in a positive increase in the
2:00:44
Speaker 2: birth rate. No, it's a not negative when you include
2:00:50
Speaker 2: the fact that that leads to the wars. More So,
2:00:53
Speaker 2: I pointed this out to the feminist and she fawned
2:00:55
Speaker 2: off because it's like id wrang, Now, you're wrong, we
2:00:58
Speaker 2: hate women. You hate women, you hate them. I'm like, okay, whatever.
2:01:03
Speaker 1: But she saw a TikTok video that made this claim. Alison,
2:01:06
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, she read on a medium blog. It's
2:01:09
Speaker 1: data basically, you know what I'm dealing with.
2:01:11
Speaker 2: Now on Twitter, there are feminists. You remember we went
2:01:15
Speaker 2: through the Manifestel bullshit with the Bonnables. There are feminists
2:01:19
Speaker 2: using those arguments now on me and Twitter.
2:01:22
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
2:01:23
Speaker 2: Yes, these influencers, guys, these female influencers are arming legions
2:01:30
Speaker 2: of women with these retarded arguments. Thankfully Groc has gotten
2:01:35
Speaker 2: that upgrade, so it's a lot easier to annihilate them.
2:01:39
Speaker 2: But anyway, so the original.
2:01:41
Speaker 1: Of rock Well No Finisher story.
2:01:43
Speaker 2: Okay, so the original argument was the relationship between men
2:01:47
Speaker 2: doing chores and men or increased birth rates. But through
2:01:54
Speaker 2: the conversation, Groc said something to me that I ended
2:01:59
Speaker 2: up drilling down on. And what it was was that
2:02:02
Speaker 2: shared parenting is associated with increased birth rates. Guys. So
2:02:08
Speaker 2: remember we went through that whole thing about how, oh
2:02:11
Speaker 2: we're all going to hell like birthrate hell because you know,
2:02:14
Speaker 2: nobody's having children anymore. Shared parenting increases birth rates, right,
2:02:19
Speaker 2: And then I drilled down on that on what's going on,
2:02:22
Speaker 2: started bringing up the Kentucky stuff. Apparently they're having more
2:02:25
Speaker 2: children and the reason why they're having more children. Here's
2:02:29
Speaker 2: the thing is that when women have an involved partner involved,
2:02:36
Speaker 2: like a man who is involved in the raising of
2:02:39
Speaker 2: his children, highly involved, they're more likely to have more children.
2:02:43
Speaker 2: It's not just providership. Okay, that's actually not you know,
2:02:49
Speaker 2: it may be important, but it's not sufficient. What is
2:02:53
Speaker 2: sufficient is that men involve themselves more in the day
2:02:57
Speaker 2: to day raising of their own children, which incidentally, many
2:03:01
Speaker 2: fathers want to do. And what was preventing this involvement
2:03:07
Speaker 2: was the fact that men did not know if they
2:03:10
Speaker 2: were going to be able to have that relationship protected
2:03:13
Speaker 2: legally right, so they created distance because they didn't know
2:03:18
Speaker 2: if they were going to lose their child in a divorce.
2:03:21
Speaker 2: But once that fear was taken away, they got more involved.
2:03:25
Speaker 2: The women saw the involvement of their partners increasing, maybe
2:03:30
Speaker 2: they didn't see it consciously, but unconsciously, and they were
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Speaker 2: more likely to say, yeah, I'll have a second child,
2:03:35
Speaker 2: Yeah I'll have a third child, Yeah I'll have a
2:03:37
Speaker 2: fourth child, because their partner was more involved, and he
2:03:42
Speaker 2: was more involved because he knew his kids weren't going
2:03:44
Speaker 2: to be taken away, and that increased the birth rate.
2:03:48
Speaker 2: So get this, guys, The things that we have been
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Speaker 2: talking about for myself for like twenty years, me and
2:03:53
Speaker 2: Brian for ten, these things are fixing society's problems. Men's
2:03:59
Speaker 2: issue is recognizing men's issues, dealing with them, advocating them
2:04:05
Speaker 2: is advocating for society, and it's advocating for the human future.
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Speaker 2: So you guys were never We're never in a position
2:04:14
Speaker 2: of being the victims like they constant, people constantly, Never
2:04:18
Speaker 2: the whiners. You were the truth tellers that kept the
2:04:23
Speaker 2: flame alive. The solution to the problems that everyone's facing now,
2:04:29
Speaker 2: the solution to the problem of the breeding colony collapse
2:04:33
Speaker 2: that everyone is facing now. All of our economic problems
2:04:37
Speaker 2: are a result of that. A lot of our political
2:04:40
Speaker 2: problems are a result of that, because we can't find
2:04:43
Speaker 2: cohesion anymore. Now we're arguing over things that are functional.
2:04:48
Speaker 2: Like they are functional. There are mechanisms of a functional country.
2:04:54
Speaker 2: Controlling immigration is a mechanism of a functional country. Now,
2:05:00
Speaker 2: it's an argument that is ridiculous, It should never be
2:05:04
Speaker 2: an argument. But that is a sign that social cohesion
2:05:08
Speaker 2: is collapsing, right, and they and it's essentially what's happened
2:05:15
Speaker 2: is nobody is invested in the concept, or not nobody,
2:05:18
Speaker 2: but half of the maybe half of the US population,
2:05:24
Speaker 2: to use an example, because this is rife everywhere in
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Speaker 2: the West. They're no longer invested in the idea of
2:05:30
Speaker 2: a society, the idea of a cooperative relationship with their neighbor.
2:05:34
Speaker 2: They're no longer invested in that, so they no longer
2:05:37
Speaker 2: want to protect it. Why, because we have embraced a
2:05:40
Speaker 2: corrosive narrative about how men and women relate. And that
2:05:45
Speaker 2: means we have embraced a corrosive narrative about how everyone relates,
2:05:50
Speaker 2: and there's going to be more and more problems that
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Speaker 2: are caused by that narrative because it is the foundation
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Speaker 2: of the trust required for our productvity, for our political systems,
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Speaker 2: for our medical systems, for our justice systems, for our roadways,
2:06:07
Speaker 2: for our infrastructure, for our education. It that trust between
2:06:12
Speaker 2: men and women is required for everything. It is the
2:06:16
Speaker 2: foundation of everything. There is nothing that it does not touch,
2:06:21
Speaker 2: which is probably why one of the most critical statements
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Speaker 2: in the Bible, just to bring Christianity, I know everybody's
2:06:27
Speaker 2: groaning now, is that women submit to men. What did
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Speaker 2: that functionally mean? Women demonstrate trust because that is the
2:06:37
Speaker 2: foundation of trust in everyone in everything. Okay, yeah, you know,
2:06:48
Speaker 2: instead of women's greatest weakness, it's actually their greatest power
2:06:51
Speaker 2: because that demonstration of trust supercharges cooperation between people in
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Speaker 2: every capacity that you could possibly imagine.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well now I do have to go Okay,
2:07:07
Speaker 1: so I got to pick up lindsay, So all right,
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Speaker 1: then what what I said?
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Speaker 2: All right, then let's let's let's wind it down all right?
2:07:16
Speaker 1: Oh your camera froze, Allison.
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Speaker 2: Oh shit, when did it freeze?
2:07:19
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, no, it's back up. Now, it's back up now.
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Speaker 1: I don't know it just did for okay, fine.
2:07:24
Speaker 2: Now, okay, was it freezing while I was yapping?
2:07:27
Speaker 1: No, no, it just did briefly. But it's fine now, Okay.
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Speaker 1: Either that or you were very still, which I don't
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Speaker 1: believe so.
2:07:36
Speaker 2: Well. I am on my Fort's cappuccinos, so probably not.
2:07:40
Speaker 1: No, there's no way you could be moving so fast
2:07:43
Speaker 1: that it looks like you're sitting still, kind of like
2:07:45
Speaker 1: you know, when you spin a propeller, it starts to
2:07:49
Speaker 1: like look like it's going in the opposite direction.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, if I ever.
2:07:53
Speaker 2: Start looking like if you ever start seeing something that
2:07:55
Speaker 2: looks like the angels from the Bible, you know, with
2:07:58
Speaker 2: the multiple eyes and like, you'll just know that I
2:08:02
Speaker 2: have broken the time barrier. Time barrier kinetic kinetic miss Okay.
2:08:15
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're gonna go ahead and do the things.
2:08:18
Speaker 1: And I'll do the things, all right.
2:08:19
Speaker 2: So I'll just double check to see if there's any
2:08:21
Speaker 2: more thank you just to give. Sometimes you guys do
2:08:25
Speaker 2: a little bit more on that score, and again, big, big,
2:08:30
Speaker 2: big thank you to Jeff, thanks for coming back. Man
2:08:34
Speaker 2: really appreciate it and doesn't look like there's any additional
2:08:37
Speaker 2: thank yous, big thanks to telling Our and ok f
2:08:40
Speaker 2: S because they also got us over the edge at
2:08:43
Speaker 2: this this fundraiser. A big thanks to everybody who supported
2:08:48
Speaker 2: us earlier. Very much appreciated because you know, we we
2:08:53
Speaker 2: are making progress. I know it seems slow and agonizing.
2:08:57
Speaker 2: I think grock is going to actually really help. You
2:09:00
Speaker 2: should start outsourcing a lot of these.
2:09:01
Speaker 1: You should check out Grokipedia, Alison. We're We're on there
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Speaker 1: really and it's actually a very fair article.
2:09:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not surprised.
2:09:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at look up men's rights activists, gamer Gait
2:09:16
Speaker 1: and a honey Badger brigade on Rockipedia. You'll find that
2:09:20
Speaker 1: it's actually quite fair. And I'm like, wow, this is
2:09:22
Speaker 1: not Wikipedia, and Wikipedia is sweat and bullets.
2:09:26
Speaker 2: By the way, good because they need to they've just
2:09:28
Speaker 2: been they've just been running rough shot over everybody ideologically.
2:09:32
Speaker 2: But okay, so I just want to remind everybody that
2:09:37
Speaker 2: you don't have the problem like that. You guys hear
2:09:41
Speaker 2: you think that you know, and I don't want it
2:09:43
Speaker 2: need to minimize your pain. But the truth is that
2:09:47
Speaker 2: the fact you can recognize these issues, that you can
2:09:51
Speaker 2: exist in the space where you're not deflecting blame from
2:09:54
Speaker 2: women and you're actually recognizing the vulnerabilities of men mark
2:09:58
Speaker 2: you as uniquely star. And the solution is going to
2:10:02
Speaker 2: come from us and you, not from the world. I
2:10:07
Speaker 2: mean it will come from the world adopting what we
2:10:09
Speaker 2: talk about, like it did here, birthrate problem. What's the solution?
2:10:13
Speaker 2: What a shock? It was a men's issues have all along,
2:10:17
Speaker 2: that was the solution, shared custody. Okay, I'm gonna hand okay, right,
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2:10:38
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2:10:48
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