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Home is Where the Horror is on 825 Forest Road - Xenomania Episode 21 · Xenomania

• 0:15
  Kearns: 5, 3 0 9.
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  We were doing that today too.
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  when somebody asked for that phone number, eight six seven five three oh nine,
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  and John, John gave a great AlleyOOP and said, no, you gotta dial nine.
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  Go out.
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  That was good.
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  Jon: Gotta get the outside line first.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  All right, John, what were you gonna say?
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  Jon: So guys, just as we were starting, I stumbled upon an article with this
• 0:37
  headline, first Blood Prequel, John Rambo in the works from Sisu Director.
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  Ryan: Okay.
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  Jon: Yeah,
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  Kearns: like everything about that.
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  Jon: Guys made sisu and rare exports making a Rambo prequel.
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  Kearns: Yeah, that'll work.
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  Ryan: be
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  Jon: God.
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  Ryan: Just seeing John Rambo in Vietnam and seeing what made him John Rambo.
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  I'm curious
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  Kearns: You know who should play him?
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  Who?
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  What's the kid's name from Whiplash?
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  No.
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  God no.
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  Please, no.
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  I hope he plays everybody.
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  Rambo kills actually Bill scars, guard clones through the whole movie.
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  Just getting mowed down by a 50 cal. No.
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  Um, the,
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  Ryan: guard family.
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  Kearns: anybody know that kid's name?
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  He's a great actor.
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  Um, whip Lat.
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  Jon: I didn't
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  Kearns: Got that scar.
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  Jon: about.
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  I can't
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  Kearns: He get him on some steroids.
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  Stat.
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  That's the guy,
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  Jon: that's not Miles Teller, right?
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  Kearns: the only teller I know is the one that works at Penn. Gillette.
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  That's his name.
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  Wow.
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  John, you were something else.
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  Jon: pulled that out.
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  Kearns: I mean, if anybody could do it.
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  Ryan: About JK Simmons just screaming at him.
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  it harder,
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  Kearns: Not quite my tempo.
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  Not quite my tip.
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  Um, that, that sounds awesome.
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  I am very down for that.
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  Jon: if they let him do what he does it, it would be amazing.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  It would be outstanding.
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  let's hope they let him do what he does.
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  Plus they kind of, they could have done moved into this, um, place
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  where, remember when he goes back to Vietnam and like saves the
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  Vietnamese in that weird Rambo movie.
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  I don't even know what the title of that was.
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  That's the one where he's literally blowing people up.
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  Jon: no, that was like the fourth one that
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  Kearns: was,
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  Jon: like
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  Kearns: yeah, it was geriatric Stallone.
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  Jon: yeah.
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  Fifth one
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  Kearns: I, I don't know if it's even a Vietnam, he might
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  be in Africa or something.
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  Jon: no, there was definitely one.
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  He's in Vietnam with that, the group of, uh, like their civil
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  rights workers or something like
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  Kearns: it's weird.
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  It's like a weird making amends.
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  Jon: type of
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  He's like, I just want to be a peacemaker
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  and then somebody does something wrong.
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  It's basically the plot of the Hulk movie where he's just like hiding,
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  trying to keep his rage tamped down and doing breathing exercises
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  and then somebody subs his to
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  10,000 dead Vietnamese.
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  Ryan: and then he eventually turns into Mark Ruffalo.
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  Kearns: Yeah, exactly.
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  Ryan: out.
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  Kearns: And he can talk,
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  Ryan: all works
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  Kearns: but that's, you know, shockingly enough listeners and viewers, this
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  is not an episode about Rambo.
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  Ryan: No,
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  Kearns: mean, that's true.
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  It's true.
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  We're actually here to talk about another movie and it's called 8 2 5 Forest Road.
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  Ryan: it isn't a forest.
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  Kearns: It is in a forest.
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  I keep getting the title wrong.
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  Did I get it right?
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  Ryan: No,
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  Kearns: I've only watched it twice.
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  Yeah,
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  Jon: Road.
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  Kearns: because I keep saying Forest Lane because of stupid Cloverfield Lane.
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  Ryan: No, John Goodman.
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  No.
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  John Goodman.
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  Kearns: What a good sleeper this movie was.
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  It wasn't too hard for me to watch this one.
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  I like telling the listeners how I like get it for free ish.
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  I had to get a trial for a c plus through Amazon Prime, which took
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  me a grand total of 45 seconds.
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  It sounds harder than it was.
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  And then I watched the movie, then I canceled the trial, and then I
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  wanted to watch the movie again.
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  So I did something else.
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  I watched parts of it again.
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  Um, but man, what a gem.
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  What a great movie.
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  Jon: Yeah, yeah.
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  Ryan: 2025.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  It's, this is the newest movie we've talked about
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  Kearns: Besides no Ferrata 2024.
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  Jon: but we didn't really do Nosferatu
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  Kearns: That's true.
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  That's that's true.
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  Good point.
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  Jon: around 2024.
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  Kearns: Fair point, sir. Fair point.
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  Ryan: year
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Scars guards porn, but now he's back into the episode.
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  Everybody, we can't shake scars guard.
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  Um, but yeah.
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  Ryan: Eventually.
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  Kearns: Oh God, please, no, with all the shit talking I do.
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  Bill.
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  You're great.
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  You are.
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  Your brother sucks as
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  Jon: A chance we will ever get a scars guard on here with the way
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  we've talked about scars, guards.
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  Ryan: Let's,
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  Kearns: true.
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  Ryan: make this a challenge in like
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  Kearns: It's true.
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  Ryan: years.
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  Kearns: They're like the Baldwin brothers of our podcast,
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  Jon: why wait 20 years?
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  Let's just start sending them emails.
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  Now
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  I mean,
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  Ryan: was hoping,
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  Kearns: why not?
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  We might as well get put on a watch list.
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  Jon: we will
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  Kearns: We've,
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  Jon: with the least known,
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  Kearns: yeah,
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  Jon: We'll start with the least known scars, guard and work our
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  way up into to Bill or Stel.
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  I don't even know who's more known now.
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  Kearns: probably bill Bill's.
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  Bill's pretty big.
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  I don't know.
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  Ryan: less
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  Kearns: He's not the most muscly.
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  Ah, I mean, there's some good scars, guard performances.
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  They're just so easy to make fun of.
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  'cause there's also such bad ones.
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  Jon: And there's so many of them.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Fair.
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  They're like freaking cock.
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  They're like rabbits.
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  I had a Lipes episode.
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  Check it out.
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  Check it out.
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  Listeners, this is a great rabbits.
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  Have lots of sex.
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  Jon: guard.
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  Kearns: Oh God.
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  Jumping over the tracks, getting electrocuted.
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  Steam would be fun.
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  But now a 2 54 is lanes.
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  Nothing like any of those things we talked about.
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  Literally nothing.
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  There's no, I don't believe a single firearm is, is,
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  uh, even shown in the film.
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  it's fantastic.
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  takes place.
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  Small town horror kind of thing.
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  Oh, we bought this house, it's got great bones, that kind of thing.
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  And, um, immediate haunting vibes come into play.
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  Right guys?
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  Ryan: It starts right off the beginning.
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  the opening scene really stopped when it's, uh, Ashley and Natalie and
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  they're talking via like how we do it.
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  We're talking over the computer and I
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: it's Ashley.
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  And she starts hearing the noises in her house,
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Ryan: you're like, all right, as a viewer, horror viewer, like, all right,
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  this is where it's gonna be like, okay.
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  And then you see, um, the character, I'm forgetting her
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  name, the main villain in the
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  Jon: Helen.
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  Ryan: Helen, now
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Helen Buster.
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  Kearns: It's not Karen.
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  Ryan: Not Karen.
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  Um, but seeing her in the corner and then just going from there and the door
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  slamming open, you're in for a ride
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Ryan: it's, it's fun.
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  Jon: that's a scene that like doesn't really exist six
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  years ago, like pre pandemic.
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  I. the video call scenes in anything are like almost non-existent because
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  it was sort of a niche thing.
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  Now everyone does it
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  Kearns: Fair.
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  Ryan: It
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  Jon: and it's sort of, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And, um, host that purely Zoom based one.
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  and it, it really is sort of in the director's wheelhouse.
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  So, Stephen Cognetti directed a two five Forest Road and before this
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  he had only made found footage.
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  Kearns: Right?
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  Jon: He's, he's responsible for the hell house LLC franchise, which
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  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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  Jon: there's a new one of those coming this summer.
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  Kearns: I watched some clips.
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  I don't know if it's from the new one that's about to come
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  out or if it's from three.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: Ooh, I've never seen any of those.
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  That's some scary shit.
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  Ryan: It's brutal.
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  Jon: He does a good job with those.
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  Yeah.
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  Kearns: Yeah, she was downstairs with some clowns and I don't know
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  why she was kissing 'em and stuff, but she was, and they turned their
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  heads and she was not a fan of that.
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  No, no, no.
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  Jon: kiss clowns.
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  Kearns: Don't kiss the, the clown dummies.
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  Ryan: no,
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  Kearns: Mm, no, no.
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  you can see kinda the way some of the camera angles are cut
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  in a two five forest road.
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  I almost said lane again.
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  And, it lends itself to the found footage style a bit.
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  It almost feels like parts of this movie are found footage.
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  Not necessarily a bad thing, by the way.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: but it is a more angular kind of feel too.
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  I mean, Ryan's the film guy too, so maybe you can speak to
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  that, but it's, it's not bad.
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  Ryan: He stayed in his wheelhouse.
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  And that's the thing is like when directors are trying something
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  new, feel like you have to stick with what you are used to.
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  So utilizing the found footage with linear footage worked out very well
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  because those cuts work with Helen's like movement or like her, I guess,
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  presence throughout the town because those fast cuts really show like there's,
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  she's everywhere and you don't know where she is, you know where she's gonna
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  come and that she can pop out anywhere.
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  And I, you know, I was thinking about it and I was, I mentioned
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  this earlier, um, ghost story.
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  The movie from the eighties.
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  It's, similar vibe and stuff, but I feel like if they use that like
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  camera angles for ghost story, like for a modern retelling, let's
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  say, or a remake, it would do so, so many wonders for the story,
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  Kearns: Is that Peter ubs ghost story?
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  Ryan: Yes, sir.
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  Kearns: Um.
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  Ryan: the movie.
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  The movie though,
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  Kearns: Mm. Still excite excites, Martin, that's good stuff.
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  Love Shroud.
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  Love me some ghost story.
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  Um, I just lent out Floating Dragon to a colleague who read
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  it and was very impressed by it.
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  I was like, yes, i's good one to talk.
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  Ryan: I was reading that actually, uh, on the desk.
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  I was looking
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  Kearns: Oh, nice.
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  Oh, it's one of his best.
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  Ryan: is this?
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  Kearns: probably second to Ghost Story and then I won't count the
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  Talisman or Black House 'cause that's a collab with him and King.
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  Ryan: Okay.
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  Kearns: But Raub, if you guys have not read any Raub, get off
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  of your asses and read some Raub.
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  Get finish the YouTube video.
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  Watch that to completion.
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  Maybe watch another one of ours too, like, and subscribe and then read some Raub.
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  'cause he's phenomenal.
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  He's the best horror writer that not nearly enough people read.
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  Ryan: it's true.
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  Kearns: For sure.
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  I'll get off my high horse though.
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  We are gonna talk about more books in a little bit and a
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  lesser writer, to Shraub anyway.
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  But yeah,
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  Ryan: S speak
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  Kearns: good stuff.
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  Ryan: Um, I wanna ask your opinion on this, 'cause I like it when
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  they do this in movies, especially when they did this in Dr. Sleep.
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  How'd you guys feel about like the chapters for each
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  scene or for each character?
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  Kearns: It worked in this movie quite well and there's reasons for
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  that that aren't like book related.
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  John, what's your take?
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  It's not something I usually like, but I did think it worked for this
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  because it give really, gives you a good insight into the experiences of
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  the three main characters you wouldn't get otherwise you're not gonna be able
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  to fill in three stories at the same time that way and three experiences.
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  Ryan: I like it.
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  Kearns: That's kind of my take as well.
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  I like the overlap so much is like perspective taking in this
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  movie is what makes me love it.
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  Um, I only liked it until the chapter two.
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  I. Came and then you were like, oh, neat.
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  Okay.
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  We're seeing the same scene from her perspective now and then getting
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  to kind of see what she thinks about what this dude just said.
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  I really liked that.
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  I liked it a lot.
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  The um, and the movie itself guys takes place in a small town that is afflicted
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  by a witch of sorts, Helen, I suppose.
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  Um, and they've done a very good job and they could have done more of this,
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  more with this in the movie, I believe.
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  But they've done a very good job of covering it up and not allowing people
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  to really know about this curse,
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  Ryan: Well, what was that group?
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  Gardeners?
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  Kearns: like a hardening club, uh, friends of.
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  Ryan: Friends of gardening?
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  Kearns: They're like the resistance, they get together and talk about the
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  witch, the Friends of Gardening club.
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  But, essentially there's, it's been a long period of quiet.
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  The witch hasn't done much.
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  Helen has kind of been around, people see her, but they don't, she hasn't
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  been up to no good, so to speak.
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  And it's been a minute and they haven't put two and two together,
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  which I find silly, but I don't wanna give too much away.
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  Jon: mean she seems to start getting more active as people her.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  And it
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  Jon: what happens at the beginning with Ashley.
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  Ryan: Mm-hmm.
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  Jon: She and Natalie are trying to figure out where 8 2 5 Forest Road
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  really is because remapped the whole town at one point and none of the
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  roads are the same as they were,
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  Kearns: awfully convenient.
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  Jon: very significant plot point.
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  Kearns: Yes.
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  Yes it does.
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  Jon: And it honestly, this is probably the time to say it.
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  If you haven't watched a Two Five Forest Road yet, pause us.
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  Go
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  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Jon: Come back because we're gonna spoil the crap outta this movie
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  Kearns: we're gonna say everything, right.
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  So at from this point on, it's sort of spoiler heavy.
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  15 minutes in, give or take.
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  So yeah, go watch the movie.
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  Go watch the movie.
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  See you, see you later.
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  Ryan: an hour and a half.
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  Come on.
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  Just do
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  Kearns: It is a quick watch.
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  Jon: just to circle back to the chapters for a second, I think the other thing
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  it really helps establish is how these three characters live together.
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  They're related, but they are those separate in this whole thing.
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  Ryan: Oh
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  Jon: It's really not until like the last 10 minutes of the movie that any
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  of these three really work together to solve mystery and try to put a stop to it.
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  Like up until that point, they're just operating on their own.
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  Ryan: You, you see that in Chuck.
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  Um, he's distant and like
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: on his own journey.
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  And then, um, his sister Isabel, he kind of starts going on her
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  own journey and that kind of
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: they're also distant because of their mom.
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  And, you know, Chuck leaving the family and she feels like I was with
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  Mom and the death is her fault and
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: of like family drama and trauma going on.
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  And, uh, his wife, oh God, was his wife's
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  Jon: I,
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  Ryan: Maria.
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  Maria.
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  Maria.
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  Um, got her own issues too, and she's trying to be all good, but
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  she's, she's bipolar and she's
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  Jon: mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: through that and all this is going on and it's like they're
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  getting pulled at the strengths.
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  it's like just that cat Helen's that cat just like pulling up
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  the strings and tearing at it
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  Kearns: That old trope.
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  Ryan: apart.
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  Kearns: Yeah, it's the old trope where the family that's already fractured is easy
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  to exploit by whatever demon or entity.
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  There was some, there was like this crazy stupid movie years ago, I
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  think it was on Discovery Channel.
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  It was a haunting style movie, and I remember every time the family argued
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  like the demon got stronger, stupid.
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  But it, it makes sense.
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  And in this they just, they are fractured.
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  They, uh, Maria is just focused on like, everybody needs to get settled
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  and have a good, healthy time in life.
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  She's really focused on the sister
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: and dad, like you said, is totally aloof the entire time.
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  He is like, how are you taking your medicine?
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  And then he goes out and does dad things and yeah, it's just, it, they're all very,
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  very much so walking their own paths.
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  Jon: So the, I mean, for them, the first experience that would, that
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  they have, that something's not quite right with Martha, the mannequin
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  Ryan: Yes.
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  Kearns: Martha's a little guys.
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  Jon: Mar Martha.
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  The mannequin is creepy as hell without being possessed.
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  Kearns: So that was where I was gonna get to.
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  Um, I would burn that thing before I would ever allow it in my house
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  Ryan: yeah.
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  Jon: Oh yeah,
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  Kearns: because it's not even just a form that somebody would use to make a dress.
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  A normal person would use a form to make a dress, which is scary enough.
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  A silhouette in the dark of a busty woman.
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  No.
• 17:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 17:13
  Kearns: hands creepy.
• 17:14
  Long fingers.
• 17:16
  No.
• 17:17
  Jon: Yeah.
• 17:18
  Ryan: just,
• 17:18
  Jon: whole, everything about that mannequin is creepy.
• 17:22
  Kearns: Yep.
• 17:22
  Ryan: she looked,
• 17:23
  Kearns: Not a.
• 17:23
  Ryan: looked like a, she looked like sloppy.
• 17:26
  The dummy.
• 17:26
  I was having Goosebumps.
• 17:27
  PTSD.
• 17:28
  Like
• 17:29
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 17:29
  Ryan: oh, Slappy.
• 17:30
  That's great.
• 17:32
  Why would you want this in here?
• 17:33
  Jon: Yeah.
• 17:34
  so they wake, they wake up one morning and Chuck finds the
• 17:38
  mannequin outside the house.
• 17:41
  Kearns: Which is normal.
• 17:41
  It's fine.
• 17:42
  Everything's fine.
• 17:43
  Jon: it completely gets out there on its own.
• 17:45
  I mean, and, and you know, there, uh, Maria and Chuck's immediate thought
• 17:51
  is that it's Isabel playing a prank.
• 17:54
  Kearns: hmm.
• 17:55
  Jon: And
• 17:55
  Kearns: You get,
• 17:56
  Jon: the first time we meet a neighbor in the know.
• 17:58
  No,
• 17:58
  Kearns: I was gonna say, you get an M Knight shaalan style neighbor
• 18:02
  meeting there where it's like, hi, my name is Exposition Dump.
• 18:06
  And they do that.
• 18:07
  Um,
• 18:08
  Jon: it's Larry.
• 18:09
  Kearns: it's Larry, Larry, the exposition dump.
• 18:12
  And it is exactly, he's like, hi, there's a, there's a bit of witch.
• 18:15
  That's a, or he doesn't even say witch directly, but he is like,
• 18:17
  oh yeah, she's getting active.
• 18:19
  Does anybody in the house have mental illness?
• 18:20
  And they just like, hi, I just moved in.
• 18:23
  Ryan: think plainly.
• 18:23
  Jon: it's the first, the first big misdirection in the movie is,
• 18:29
  Kearns: true too.
• 18:30
  Jon: is Isabel depressed, be very, she's.
• 18:33
  Depressed people are very prone to fall under Helen Foster and like, so you
• 18:38
  spend that time focused on something's gonna happen to Isabelle before you
• 18:44
  get to the fact that Maria's bipolar
• 18:47
  Ryan: it's.
• 18:49
  Kearns: And then when you do, when you do figure out that, when they focus
• 18:52
  a little bit on Maria being bipolar later on though, you hyper focus
• 18:56
  'cause you know what they're doing.
• 18:58
  Yeah, I get it.
• 19:00
  We're going that way.
• 19:02
  Jon: yeah.
• 19:02
  But you know, LA Larry gives the full, ex ex, well not the full exposition, but
• 19:08
  Kearns: Pretty close.
• 19:09
  Jon: yeah.
• 19:10
  Hey, Chuck, come to our friends of gardening meeting.
• 19:14
  Kearns: Friends of guard.
• 19:15
  So it's an AA meeting in the town hall.
• 19:18
  but for friends of gardening, for for PTSD members who've dealt with Helen before.
• 19:25
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:26
  Kearns: and she makes a visit to the second meeting, or is it the first one?
• 19:32
  Jon: It is the first meeting that Chuck attends.
• 19:34
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 19:35
  And she's, she shows up the witch.
• 19:37
  Helen is like in the background and they all bounce.
• 19:39
  They're all like, all right, later they all run away.
• 19:42
  Ryan: well,
• 19:43
  Kearns: Uh,
• 19:43
  Ryan: her.
• 19:45
  Larry sees
• 19:45
  Kearns: and we find out the librarian.
• 19:48
  The librarian is there as well.
• 19:50
  And then, then we find out a little bit more information about the books issue.
• 19:53
  'cause
• 19:54
  Jon: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Kearns: go and investigate her in the library, there's a stack of
• 19:57
  books that are sitting there and they, somebody mentions them and they
• 20:01
  go, oh, I'll, I'll take care of it.
• 20:03
  And they kind of make it into a thing like that.
• 20:04
  It occurs all the time.
• 20:05
  So it's interesting.
• 20:06
  Little, little, little Easter, not Easter eggs, but, uh, breadcrumbs that
• 20:11
  they're leading us along this path.
• 20:13
  Jon: It's
• 20:13
  Kearns: you wanna be led?
• 20:15
  Jon: the library is the first time Chuck really gets a sense that
• 20:18
  there's something weird in the town when he runs into a dead Ashley.
• 20:24
  Not knowing that she's dead at that point.
• 20:26
  That comes out a little later.
• 20:28
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Ryan: Yeah, that was
• 20:30
  Kearns: So
• 20:31
  Ryan: It, uh,
• 20:32
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:32
  Ryan: it and, and it kind of showed
• 20:33
  Kearns: I.
• 20:34
  Ryan: how dangerous this entity can be, because like, even though she
• 20:38
  was out of it, quote unquote, by just investigating into it, she gives the
• 20:43
  warning she's like, you're gonna be sorry.
• 20:46
  And
• 20:46
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:47
  Ryan: I think it's like a day or two days later, they're like, ISAB.
• 20:50
  Um, Isabella's friend comes over and he's like, you know, she hung
• 20:54
  herself and it's like, You know?
• 20:58
  Jon: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Ryan: it's like, just shows how dangerous Helen is and how like,
• 21:03
  she's like, she goes into your mind.
• 21:05
  It's, it's a cool concept.
• 21:07
  And the thing is, is that I was, uh.
• 21:09
  Reading something about repeating like concepts and just changing it up for
• 21:14
  this generation, and he did a great job doing that, especially for this movie.
• 21:19
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Uh, I wish this movie was two hours and 15 minutes long for more
• 21:24
  flushing out, giving characters time to grow into themselves a bit.
• 21:28
  letting some of the stuff marinate that's happening with
• 21:31
  the town would've been nice.
• 21:32
  Even some slow breaks where you get a second chance to breathe
• 21:35
  while there go transitioning between ideas would've felt good.
• 21:38
  But I get why it's not that that's not the case and for what it is.
• 21:43
  And the hour and a half runtime, the movie is really good.
• 21:47
  I can't take much away.
• 21:48
  I, I wasn't in love with the ending, but I didn't hate it either.
• 21:50
  So there's that.
• 21:52
  But we're, that transitions us to another side topic I would like to talk about,
• 21:56
  if it's a good time to break for it.
• 21:59
  Can we talk about hex?
• 22:01
  Ryan: Yeah, of
• 22:01
  Jon: Sure.
• 22:02
  Ryan: I,
• 22:02
  Kearns: So Hex is, you're waiting for this.
• 22:05
  Hex is a book by a Dutch guy.
• 22:08
  I don't even have a clue how to pronounce his last name, Thomas Old
• 22:11
  Vet, uh, but was rewritten in the.
• 22:16
  Seems right, it's not too bad,
• 22:17
  Ryan: That's.
• 22:18
  Kearns: to take place also in the United States.
• 22:21
  And the hex in that I read is almost identical storyline to this.
• 22:28
  It starts though, with the family waking up for their day, but the
• 22:30
  witch is just standing in the living room and they're going about their
• 22:34
  day with the witch standing there.
• 22:35
  Somebody throws a sheet over her and they're just, you know,
• 22:38
  careful not to touch or push her over or anything like that.
• 22:41
  And they just do their thing and they leave her alone and
• 22:44
  they report that she's there.
• 22:45
  And that's how you've learned that this town has a witch curse.
• 22:50
  And we find out later on, there's all this other stuff that goes on
• 22:55
  and why the curse is there in the first place, and yada yada, Reid Hex.
• 22:58
  And you'll find all that out.
• 22:59
  It's a really good read, but it's got a shit ending.
• 23:02
  And it's such a good story too.
• 23:05
  If it had a better ending, it would be so good.
• 23:08
  But yeah, it reminds me of this movie for that reason.
• 23:11
  It's almost identical storylines.
• 23:13
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 23:14
  Yeah.
• 23:15
  Yeah,
• 23:17
  it did.
• 23:18
  Sounds like
• 23:21
  Kearns: Yeah, it does.
• 23:22
  Jon: it's on the shelf.
• 23:24
  I, I haven't gotten to it yet, but it's there.
• 23:26
  Kearns: Oh, really
• 23:27
  Jon: I,
• 23:28
  Kearns: nice.
• 23:28
  Jon: bought it a while ago.
• 23:30
  Kearns: I didn't know that.
• 23:30
  Jon: down there.
• 23:31
  I
• 23:32
  Kearns: Cool.
• 23:32
  You'll enjoy the read.
• 23:34
  Jon: I, little, little fact, I buy way more books than I can ever read.
• 23:42
  Ryan: Yep.
• 23:42
  Same, same.
• 23:45
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 23:47
  Ryan: I'm still reading
• 23:47
  Kearns: I've read all these ones behind me, but I have been slowing
• 23:51
  down significantly over the years.
• 23:53
  I think I'm down to like four or five a year now.
• 23:58
  Jon: It's sad, isn't it?
• 23:59
  Ryan: to that level.
• 24:00
  Kearns: there's not enough time to do everything.
• 24:01
  Plus I got the little kids that eats up a lot of my re If I could come home
• 24:05
  from work, take a nap, wake up and be like, I crushed 50 pages, I can do that.
• 24:10
  Then play video games and still get to bed before midnight.
• 24:13
  That'd be nice.
• 24:15
  Jon: Right.
• 24:16
  Kearns: But I digress.
• 24:18
  But Hex was good and hex carries.
• 24:21
  It's like it brings you along in the beginning.
• 24:23
  You won't wanna put it down.
• 24:25
  It, it's intriguing.
• 24:26
  Oh, the realtor can't let this couple move in because we don't think they'll take it.
• 24:30
  Oh.
• 24:31
  Also, by the way, once you move in, you can't leave.
• 24:34
  'cause that's part of the curse.
• 24:36
  Hex is good.
• 24:37
  It is good until it's not so good.
• 24:39
  And you guys might like the ending, by the way.
• 24:41
  There are people out there that like the ending.
• 24:43
  I've been down the Reddit rabbit holes.
• 24:45
  Um, I did not,
• 24:47
  Jon: I, I sort of get the feeling from 8 2 5 Forest Road that you
• 24:53
  can't leave the town either.
• 24:55
  Kearns: yeah.
• 24:56
  I mean, it's never explicitly said.
• 24:58
  Yeah.
• 24:59
  Jon: but it's sort of the impression like, if you can leave, why are
• 25:03
  none of these people ever leaving?
• 25:05
  Like why is Larry staying in Ashland Park
• 25:09
  Ryan: Larry.
• 25:10
  Jon: knowing this?
• 25:11
  Like, why are you still there?
• 25:13
  Larry?
• 25:15
  Kearns: Larry loves the drama.
• 25:17
  Just same reason everybody's around.
• 25:18
  They love the drama.
• 25:20
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:21
  Ryan: of Garden just wants friends.
• 25:25
  Kearns: Oh, I guess we'll go back into the movie.
• 25:30
  Jon: yeah, so, so first chapter really is it's, it's Chuck's chapter, and
• 25:37
  Kearns: Um.
• 25:37
  Jon: you really, Chuck is the most independent operating
• 25:42
  of the three of them.
• 25:43
  He's doing all this looking into going to friends of gardening meetings,
• 25:48
  reading books, but he's not really sharing much of the danger that,
• 25:55
  that he's discovering, that they've stumbled into, he's, he's giving Maria
• 25:59
  Little facts about the town, like they remapped it and renamed all the streets.
• 26:04
  Isn't that interesting?
• 26:05
  But he's not telling her that, Hey, there's this, this curse
• 26:09
  that we're pretty susceptible to.
• 26:12
  Ryan: It is true.
• 26:12
  Kearns: He,
• 26:13
  Ryan: like
• 26:13
  Kearns: fact that he doesn't disclose that or work collaborate with his
• 26:17
  family at all is annoying as hell.
• 26:20
  Ryan: Yep.
• 26:21
  Kearns: we've, we kind of did discuss this well before talking about this podcast
• 26:25
  episode about his character sucking
• 26:27
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 26:28
  Kearns: way.
• 26:30
  Jon: But watching it a second time, I don't think it's that he's a bad person.
• 26:35
  I think there is an illness within him as well there.
• 26:39
  Like his brain doesn't function right either.
• 26:42
  You know, he seems like he purposely isolates himself.
• 26:46
  He seems like he's very analytically focused on a lot of this stuff.
• 26:51
  Like when they're finally accepting that they're gonna have to move, he's like.
• 26:57
  We're gonna have a real hard time selling this place like that should, should not be
• 27:02
  your prime concern at that point when your wife was just attacked by her mannequin.
• 27:09
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 27:10
  Ryan: livestream
• 27:12
  Jon: Yeah,
• 27:12
  Kearns: the best part.
• 27:13
  And then he's, he doesn't, I don't think he believes her.
• 27:15
  Right.
• 27:16
  And she's like, she has to cite that people, she's like,
• 27:19
  5 million viewers saw it.
• 27:21
  Ryan: and
• 27:21
  Jon: I think, yeah, I think he's like, I don't know that he doesn't believe her
• 27:30
  so much as he doesn't wanna believe her.
• 27:32
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 27:33
  I think that might be it.
• 27:34
  That's a good point.
• 27:35
  Jon: Like, you know, they, so there's the, the scene in the art gallery
• 27:41
  where, Maria's with Isabelle and she's talking, Maria's talking about
• 27:46
  her, one of her bipolar episodes how.
• 27:52
  She kind of says Chuck did okay, but he didn't really understand.
• 27:57
  He wasn't as good as he could have been because he didn't
• 28:00
  understand, like you sort of, Chuck doesn't process those things.
• 28:08
  Kearns: Okay.
• 28:08
  I gotcha.
• 28:10
  I gotcha.
• 28:11
  So he's, that's his deal, um, which makes him.
• 28:15
  Blind to sort of Helen's nefarious ways until it's too late.
• 28:21
  Uh, one of the things I enjoy about, not him, but um, enjoy about the, the, like
• 28:27
  we talked about the chapter stuff earlier, is how they end Isabelle's chapter and
• 28:32
  begin Maria's at that cliffhanger point.
• 28:35
  By the way, when I was just thinking of that scene, I didn't
• 28:39
  wanna lose it 'cause I'm exhausted.
• 28:40
  So that cliffhanger scene where Helen comes and presumably is murdering Maria,
• 28:46
  that's where Isabelle's chapter ends.
• 28:48
  And then Maria's chapter starts there and only flashes back a little bit.
• 28:51
  I think it flashes back to the art gallery, if I'm not mistaken.
• 28:54
  I may be mistaken, but, um, and then it starts from there and it tracks right
• 28:58
  back up to that scene pretty quickly.
• 29:01
  Ryan: Oh.
• 29:01
  Kearns: I like that they did that.
• 29:03
  Ryan: I was gonna say, I'm
• 29:03
  Kearns: I.
• 29:04
  Ryan: It doesn't start at the art gallery.
• 29:05
  It starts where she notices the occurrences, like the
• 29:08
  dish is stacked, asking her
• 29:10
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 29:11
  Ryan: away.
• 29:12
  And she is blaming Isabel for this and like she just thinks it's weird and
• 29:17
  Kearns: Right.
• 29:17
  Ryan: she goes along with it and then goes into the art gallery.
• 29:21
  But to retract the cliffhanger was excellent.
• 29:24
  'cause it's like, you know, you don't know where it's gonna go.
• 29:27
  Like, you know, it's gonna go back to Maria, but then you're
• 29:29
  like, this poor woman's gonna die.
• 29:32
  You're thinking in your head
• 29:34
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 29:34
  Ryan: like, well we're gonna get to this scene soon.
• 29:37
  And it's like, isn't go down that way, which is It's horrific though, that
• 29:44
  Kearns: Helen's,
• 29:45
  Ryan: good.
• 29:45
  CGI
• 29:47
  Kearns: I, yeah, that was okay.
• 29:49
  Helen's, uh, reveal was scarier than I thought it was going to be.
• 29:53
  Um, and just the, I mean, the kitchen scenes where she's manically calling
• 29:57
  to Isabelle and the kitchen, and she basically bitches out Maria.
• 30:01
  And then Maria does, she hides from her until it's too late.
• 30:05
  Yeah.
• 30:05
  That's pretty cool.
• 30:07
  Jon: she's mimicking Isabelle's dead mother in the kitchen
• 30:11
  Kearns: Yeah, which is neat.
• 30:13
  Jon: Isabel in while, uh, frantic and disturbed.
• 30:17
  Maria is trying to stop her.
• 30:20
  Kearns: It's pretty good.
• 30:21
  And you can tell like the lack of taking the meds is
• 30:23
  affecting Maria in that time too.
• 30:26
  Then once the action scene starts and the chase scene goes on and Isabel
• 30:30
  gets away, Maria gets possessed by Helen, which is pretty awesome.
• 30:36
  Jon: like, why are you running upstairs?
• 30:39
  Kearns: Fair point.
• 30:40
  Well, they couldn't open the door
• 30:42
  Ryan: Nope.
• 30:42
  It was locked
• 30:43
  Kearns: they didn't, instead of leaping out of a window
• 30:45
  like a normal person might,
• 30:47
  Ryan: like
• 30:47
  Kearns: you know,
• 30:48
  Ryan: Arnold
• 30:49
  Jon: I am going through the window.
• 30:51
  I'm going through the window.
• 30:52
  I'm not going upstairs.
• 30:54
  Kearns: I would rather, yeah, I'd rather slice myself open on
• 30:56
  the window glass and bleed out in the lawn than go up those stairs.
• 30:59
  Yep.
• 31:02
  Accurate.
• 31:03
  So.
• 31:04
  Ryan: a ho, pull a Halloween, go out from the roof, dingle from
• 31:08
  like, you know, the rail go down.
• 31:12
  It's all right.
• 31:13
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 31:14
  Kearns: Maria gets crapped upstairs in the worst place you can be in
• 31:19
  a horror movie between the wall and the bed and the monster,
• 31:23
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 31:24
  Kearns: which is
• 31:25
  Ryan: not a
• 31:25
  Kearns: terrifying New Na na na.
• 31:29
  Jon: I mean.
• 31:31
  Chuck, and to a lesser extent, Isabelle have really set Maria up
• 31:36
  because like she's with the bipolar.
• 31:38
  She's probably the most susceptible to Helen
• 31:42
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 31:42
  Jon: and knows the least about any, like they don't tell her anything.
• 31:48
  Kearns: It's complete.
• 31:49
  They're, it's a tri pole thing.
• 31:50
  They're like literally the triangle of ignorance and nobody trusts anybody.
• 31:55
  Nobody cares to, they, they're kind of working against each other,
• 31:58
  the whole movie until the very end where Chuck and Isabel sort of get
• 32:02
  together and then that goes great.
• 32:05
  'cause they're so used to teamwork, I guess.
• 32:07
  But Maria, so Maria gets stupid scene.
• 32:11
  This is a dumb scene.
• 32:13
  Maria gets possessed and then they're doing their realtor review video with the
• 32:19
  Jon: I love that scene.
• 32:20
  I,
• 32:21
  Kearns: It's so dumb.
• 32:22
  Jon: I love watching how that part of the end falls apart,
• 32:27
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 32:28
  Jon: And you, I mean, listen, you know she's possessed already.
• 32:31
  You don't maybe know quite how bad she off she is or what she is, but
• 32:37
  the moment she sits to do that, that testimonial, what's your name?
• 32:43
  Maria.
• 32:44
  What's your last name?
• 32:46
  And she doesn't know her last name anymore.
• 32:49
  Kearns: That was pretty cool.
• 32:51
  I like that.
• 32:52
  I like also how the boyfriend of Isabelle or friend of Isabelle has to stay
• 32:58
  in the house to look after possessed Maria while she's doing this stupid.
• 33:03
  Jon: Right?
• 33:03
  Kearns: those tons of bitches were, I opened the door to go and deal
• 33:06
  with this, and those bastards were at the door with a camera saying,
• 33:10
  it's time to help out your realtor.
• 33:12
  I'd be like, fuck off.
• 33:14
  I don't know.
• 33:14
  When I agreed to this, I was high.
• 33:16
  I'm not doing this.
• 33:18
  Ryan: Can we reschedule?
• 33:19
  Jon: I And,
• 33:20
  Kearns: No,
• 33:21
  Jon: and I
• 33:21
  Kearns: we're not Resch.
• 33:22
  Jon: is the, she's the second biggest villain in this whole movie.
• 33:26
  Kearns: She is.
• 33:26
  'cause she sold them the goddamn house and she knew that the
• 33:29
  guy threw himself off the roof.
• 33:31
  Ryan: Yep.
• 33:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:32
  that, and that, like, that has to be the least amount of
• 33:36
  knowledge she had about this.
• 33:37
  Right.
• 33:37
  Because I mean,
• 33:39
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 33:40
  Jon: from Ashland Park, she has to know some of the Helen Foster story.
• 33:45
  Ryan: Oh,
• 33:45
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 33:46
  Ryan: secondary antagonist.
• 33:47
  So she got what she deserved.
• 33:49
  I think
• 33:50
  Kearns: And she, so yeah.
• 33:52
  And she profited greatly off of the home.
• 33:55
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:56
  Kearns: Got great bones
• 33:57
  Jon: like Maria doing that testimonial, and then like, as she's going along,
• 34:03
  you realize she's really possessed.
• 34:04
  She doesn't know who she is anymore.
• 34:06
  And then she just, instead of a testimonial, she slips into Helen's story.
• 34:11
  Ryan: Yep.
• 34:12
  And that was good.
• 34:13
  Jon: my daughter was bullied at school and nobody did anything about it.
• 34:18
  And I went as far as going to the town council and they didn't help me.
• 34:22
  I.
• 34:23
  Kearns: And they show that painting of her sitting alone with the town council.
• 34:27
  I like that.
• 34:28
  That was a pretty cool part.
• 34:30
  This movie's good.
• 34:31
  I, I keep, I keep circling back to it, but the reason why I have to keep circling
• 34:35
  back to it is because it's wearing like a tube top and it should be in a prom dress.
• 34:40
  Like this movie could be so much better,
• 34:43
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 34:43
  Kearns: you know, but it's just very,
• 34:47
  Jon: I'm very curious about a, uh, what the physical release brings and
• 34:51
  what kind of deleted scenes are there.
• 34:54
  Kearns: that'd be cool if it's longer.
• 34:55
  Jon: curious to see if that, if there's stuff that adds even more for me, the
• 35:01
  end works, but the Chuck and Isabel ending is kind of less satisfying.
• 35:08
  Maria's That, that part of the final chapter of the movie is fantastic.
• 35:15
  Ryan: Yes.
• 35:15
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 35:16
  Jon: Chuck and Isabel part that feels rushed.
• 35:19
  Ryan: Yep.
• 35:21
  Because you feel
• 35:21
  Kearns: Dumb.
• 35:22
  Ryan: more.
• 35:23
  Kearns: Just gotta say it dumb.
• 35:24
  Oh, that picture you drew of the hands pulling you into the black void.
• 35:30
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 35:32
  Kearns: It came true.
• 35:34
  And she's like, I'm
• 35:34
  Jon: some,
• 35:35
  Kearns: sorry.
• 35:36
  Jon: there's some good stuff that comes there.
• 35:38
  Like the, the realization that, oh, we don't need to be
• 35:42
  looking for 8 2 5 Forest Road.
• 35:44
  that's not Helen's house.
• 35:46
  That's the bully's family's house
• 35:49
  Kearns: That's
• 35:50
  Jon: we
• 35:50
  Kearns: they live.
• 35:51
  Jon: for.
• 35:52
  We should be looking for 15 Rose Lane.
• 35:54
  That was Helen's house.
• 35:55
  And that's the it, yeah, that's the bit of information that Chuck
• 36:00
  gives to Maria at the beginning.
• 36:02
  Oh, did you know we used to be 15 Rose Lane?
• 36:06
  Ryan: Yep.
• 36:07
  of nice little like after watching, you're like, shit,
• 36:12
  Jon: But for, but from that revelation to them both getting pulled into that room
• 36:19
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 36:20
  Jon: it is, it's just too rushed.
• 36:22
  Ryan: Yes.
• 36:23
  Jon: You've, you've got a good deal of suspense built.
• 36:26
  You've got this revelation and that it's just over
• 36:32
  Kearns: Who directed this movie?
• 36:33
  Martin Scorsese.
• 36:35
  Is it Steven?
• 36:36
  What was it?
• 36:37
  Uh, Cascarelli.
• 36:39
  Ryan: No,
• 36:39
  Kearns: Coogi, Steven Coogi.
• 36:41
  You should have done better, man, like, you know better.
• 36:44
  I don't care what 8 2 4 said, or 8 7 6 5.
• 36:48
  3 0 9. Again.
• 36:49
  But no seriously, like you, you had yourself another 20 minutes.
• 36:53
  Just
• 36:53
  Ryan: Yep.
• 36:54
  Kearns: it 20 minutes longer, and you got yourself a pretty
• 36:56
  polished diamond on this one.
• 36:58
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:00
  Ryan: yep.
• 37:00
  Kill Chuck.
• 37:01
  Keep Isabel alive, you
• 37:03
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 37:04
  Ryan: and then
• 37:04
  Kearns: Maria can also be an honorable sacrifice.
• 37:07
  Nobody will care.
• 37:07
  She stopped taking her meds, her fault.
• 37:09
  Jon: I don't really have any investment in any of them
• 37:12
  surviving or any of them dying.
• 37:14
  I, I'd be, I was fine with them, with everybody winding up dead,
• 37:18
  but I would've been fine with, you know, most of them surviving too.
• 37:22
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 37:23
  Jon: you needed to do more in that last scene.
• 37:25
  It needed to be more,
• 37:29
  Kearns: Yeah, that's, you know what though?
• 37:31
  That's an adequate description.
• 37:32
  It needed to be more like,
• 37:34
  Jon: again, it's, it's, it's a first really to, to great degree.
• 37:38
  A first feature film.
• 37:40
  Kearns: yeah.
• 37:41
  Ryan: Yes.
• 37:42
  Jon: know, the found footage stuff is different.
• 37:44
  You don't have that exposition in found footage necessarily.
• 37:48
  Kearns: I'm glad you brought us back to that though, because that does lead
• 37:50
  us to, there's abrupt endings in those movies, and this is an abrupt ending,
• 37:55
  Ryan: Yes.
• 37:56
  Kearns: a rough, abrupt ending.
• 37:57
  Jon: That's my general complaint with them.
• 37:59
  Like Blair Witch, I loved Blair Witch until the last five minutes.
• 38:04
  Kearns: peeing in the corner.
• 38:06
  Jon: I was ready to crap my pants,
• 38:08
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 38:09
  Jon: ready to crap my pants with Blair Witch.
• 38:11
  And then that's how it ended.
• 38:13
  And it
• 38:13
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 38:14
  Jon: why is he just, is he peeing?
• 38:17
  Is he, what is he doing?
• 38:19
  Why is he in the corner?
• 38:21
  Ryan: I still
• 38:21
  Jon: Oh, that's the end.
• 38:23
  Ryan: I still jumped.
• 38:24
  Jon: mean, it was okay, but you, they, he could have done so much more there
• 38:31
  Ryan: Oh yeah.
• 38:32
  He could have had, if
• 38:33
  Jon: because he
• 38:34
  Ryan: minutes a good fight scene or like something like
• 38:37
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 38:37
  Ryan: forth or her trying to get back to the house or her
• 38:41
  Kearns: That would've been better.
• 38:41
  Yeah.
• 38:42
  Ryan: or her trying to
• 38:43
  Kearns: Fight scene for the Blair Witch would've ruined a certain vibe.
• 38:46
  'cause there was always a defeat was implied,
• 38:49
  Ryan: Oh, I was
• 38:50
  Kearns: you know?
• 38:51
  Ryan: 5 Forest Road.
• 38:51
  I'm sorry
• 38:52
  Kearns: Oh my bad.
• 38:53
  Ryan: No,
• 38:53
  Kearns: My bad.
• 38:54
  Ryan: Blair Witch was fine.
• 38:55
  It had to end like that.
• 38:56
  In my
• 38:56
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 38:57
  No, better fight against Helen would've been cool.
• 38:59
  You're right, Larry.
• 39:01
  If Larry came out like leisure suit, Larry style just came out
• 39:04
  and started being like, I, like he had sage bombs in his fists and he
• 39:09
  started, you know, knuckle dusting her
• 39:11
  Jon: mean,
• 39:11
  Ryan: like Reggie, yes.
• 39:13
  Ice
• 39:13
  Kearns: like Reggie.
• 39:15
  But he's got yeah, got the, uh, the receding hairline ponytail
• 39:19
  Ryan: Yes.
• 39:19
  Kearns: time too.
• 39:21
  And he gets distracted by a blonde and then they die anyway.
• 39:25
  Jon: by the way, to ve Vera, back into Cascarelli Fanboy podcast, I
• 39:31
  finished that short story collection of set in the Fantasm universe.
• 39:37
  goodness guys, like he catches every minor character that you
• 39:43
  could think about is down there.
• 39:45
  You get a
• 39:45
  Kearns: Oh, cool.
• 39:46
  Ryan: Okay,
• 39:47
  Jon: you get Rocky and Tanisha.
• 39:50
  Ryan: cool.
• 39:51
  Jon: you get.
• 39:52
  50 pages of a
• 39:54
  Kearns: Five
• 39:55
  Jon: which is the
• 39:57
  Ryan: Chunk.
• 39:58
  Jon: chunk, the just filling, filling out a story for chunk.
• 40:01
  And so you understand where he comes from.
• 40:05
  Kearns: Cool
• 40:05
  Jon: so good.
• 40:06
  And, and then a Reggie backstory with his time in Vietnam.
• 40:11
  And, and
• 40:11
  Kearns: Reggie.
• 40:12
  Time in Vietnam is exactly what I don't need.
• 40:16
  Jon: you do because it gives you so
• 40:17
  Kearns: I'm gonna see if you ling coming
• 40:20
  Jon: you,
• 40:20
  Kearns: back to United States with me.
• 40:23
  Jon: It's the genesis of the quad barrel.
• 40:26
  Kearns: Oh, okay.
• 40:26
  Nevermind.
• 40:27
  Jon: It's the, it's the beginning.
• 40:28
  It's the beginning of his horn dog.
• 40:31
  Kearns: Uh,
• 40:32
  Ryan: qua
• 40:32
  Jon: Like you, you start to see
• 40:34
  Kearns: if they like show Reggie going through puberty,
• 40:38
  Jon: Nah.
• 40:38
  Like re Reggie, um, an affinity for Vietnamese
• 40:44
  Kearns: they were gonna say another word that starts with a v.
• 40:46
  Jon: of the night.
• 40:47
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 40:48
  No, see, but that's exactly what I thought it was gonna be, like a short
• 40:51
  story that's just him with hookers is basically what I figured it would be.
• 40:56
  Yeah.
• 40:56
  Jon: definitely where it starts.
• 40:58
  It starts with Reggie sneaking off base to go to a whore house.
• 41:01
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 41:02
  And then it's just the tall man, but we didn't know.
• 41:07
  But um, all right.
• 41:10
  So we get to the end of the movie and, yeah, we all kind of feel like
• 41:15
  it could have ended a little bit better, but for the most part, A minus
• 41:19
  or b plus as far as if we have, we don't have an official rating scale,
• 41:23
  but that's, that's where it is.
• 41:25
  Ryan: B plus,
• 41:27
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 41:27
  B plus would probably be a better,
• 41:29
  Jon: this is a good B plus movie.
• 41:30
  Like it's, it's definitely worth the watch.
• 41:33
  It's definitely got a lot of that, the good, creepy vibe to it that you want.
• 41:39
  Kearns: yeah.
• 41:40
  Ryan: Yep.
• 41:40
  Kearns: Agreed.
• 41:42
  But yeah, uh, like I said, easy watch, don't have to spend a lot of money.
• 41:47
  A c plus is how I did.
• 41:48
  It's free on shutter as well, but I couldn't get it on that.
• 41:50
  I don't, I don't know why.
• 41:52
  Um,
• 41:53
  Ryan: Okay.
• 41:54
  Kearns: yeah.
• 41:55
  Ryan: That's happened to me with, uh, what do you call it, just to go back.
• 41:58
  That happened to me with dead snow.
• 42:00
  watch it on shutter
• 42:02
  Kearns: Interesting.
• 42:02
  Ryan: shutter.
• 42:03
  So
• 42:04
  Kearns: Might be a VPN issue.
• 42:06
  Actually.
• 42:06
  I didn't think of that, but maybe that's what it was on my end.
• 42:10
  But yeah, watch it.
• 42:11
  Jon: it, it,
• 42:13
  Kearns: Well, actually you should have watched it.
• 42:14
  We just spoiled it.
• 42:14
  Jon: I believe is the end of June
• 42:18
  Kearns: Okay.
• 42:18
  Physical is coming out at the end of June.
• 42:20
  Jon: Yep.
• 42:21
  Kearns: So you're talking about my physical
• 42:22
  Jon: by the time you listen to this, it's gonna be a avail,
• 42:26
  pretty close to available.
• 42:27
  Ryan: And definitely
• 42:28
  Kearns: fair.
• 42:30
  Ryan: Buy it
• 42:30
  Jon: Listen, I, I, I'll,
• 42:32
  Ryan: it.
• 42:32
  Jon: I'll get up on my, my soapbox right now.
• 42:35
  Support physical media.
• 42:39
  Ryan: Yes.
• 42:40
  Jon: The like, like one of the things we, that has come up when in doing this is
• 42:47
  the availability of things on streaming.
• 42:50
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 42:50
  Jon: don't have to worry about it if you bought it.
• 42:52
  I know it's expensive.
• 42:54
  It takes up space.
• 42:55
  It's, but
• 42:57
  Ryan: beautiful
• 42:57
  Jon: I mean, if you, you love film support, physical
• 43:03
  Kearns: Fair.
• 43:05
  That's a fair.
• 43:05
  Ryan: of, and there's a lot of places you can go to.
• 43:08
  Vinegar syndrome, you want classics, criterion Collection, you know,
• 43:13
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:15
  Ryan: buy, collect, it's, it's fun.
• 43:18
  even if you get the old ones with a little flip and click, I mean, come on now.
• 43:22
  Jon: Yeah.
• 43:23
  Kearns: Little clicky break in the middle and then they slide all over the thing.
• 43:26
  You gotta worry about 'em getting scratched.
• 43:28
  So then you use the manual to to, yeah, I was gonna say, but yeah.
• 43:32
  Guys, that was 8 2 5, forest Road, not Lane.
• 43:35
  And we're gonna jump into our top fives and we're gonna keep 'em brief tonight
• 43:39
  because Martin's one eye is a little bit closed because he's super tired.
• 43:43
  Super, super tired.
• 43:44
  So let's get after it.
• 43:46
  Mr. Ryan, what's our top five list tonight?
• 43:49
  Ryan: So I went with Shocker, supernatural, but supernatural
• 43:53
  things that like kind of take over like a house, places, anything.
• 43:58
  And I think you guys are gonna like this list and yeah, I've seen all
• 44:02
  these movies just to say controversy.
• 44:06
  I've seen 'em all.
• 44:07
  And we're gonna start off with one of my favorites in this film
• 44:11
  series, paranormal Activity three.
• 44:14
  Kearns: Oh, nice.
• 44:15
  Found footage.
• 44:16
  Ryan: I saw it in theaters.
• 44:18
  Um, I actually made the whole theater laugh.
• 44:20
  We went to a midnight opening in Poughkeepsie Galleria.
• 44:22
  Kearns: Oh wait, this was the Rosemary's Baby one.
• 44:25
  Ryan: uh, this is the one where they're, it's Katie and Christie
• 44:28
  and they're younger they're in the house and it, it's how it started.
• 44:33
  Kearns: Yeah, it's the Rosemary's baby one.
• 44:36
  Ryan: I,
• 44:36
  Kearns: The cult at the end.
• 44:38
  Ryan: yes, I,
• 44:39
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 44:40
  Ryan: it and I made the whole audience laugh when they opened the cellar door
• 44:43
  and everyone was quiet and I was like,
• 44:46
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 44:46
  Ryan: go
• 44:47
  Kearns: No,
• 44:48
  Ryan: And I
• 44:48
  Kearns: this one's good.
• 44:49
  Ryan: a crack, but I enjoyed it.
• 44:51
  Um, again, midnight openings when they still did that.
• 44:54
  It was just a good vibe.
• 44:55
  And that theater was packed and you can hear a pin drop because it was so tense.
• 45:00
  Now about tense.
• 45:03
  number four, I went with Insidious.
• 45:06
  That
• 45:07
  Kearns: like this.
• 45:08
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 45:09
  That
• 45:09
  Kearns: I like this list very much so far.
• 45:12
  Ryan: in Insidious.
• 45:12
  Scared the shit outta me to the point where my parents went outta
• 45:15
  town and I decided to watch it.
• 45:18
  And, uh,
• 45:20
  Kearns: Can, can I say a joke first?
• 45:22
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 45:22
  Kearns: That's a lot of shit
• 45:24
  Ryan: Oh.
• 45:25
  Kearns: to make him go outta town like that.
• 45:28
  Ryan: Listen, we live by a cemetery and it
• 45:30
  Kearns: a dad.
• 45:31
  I can do it.
• 45:32
  Ryan: It was not a good idea to watch it.
• 45:34
  Kearns: You got scared.
• 45:36
  Ryan: I that there's the house, the house is haunted, I believe.
• 45:41
  And uh, yeah, I made sure the door was locked.
• 45:44
  I didn't go out for a cigarette that night.
• 45:46
  That's all I'm gonna say.
• 45:47
  That's all I'm gonna say.
• 45:48
  Even the dog left me.
• 45:49
  I was like, what?
• 45:50
  What the hell?
• 45:51
  You're supposed to protect me.
• 45:52
  No, she left me.
• 45:54
  But number three, we've talked about this in earlier episodes.
• 45:59
  Um, and that's hereditary.
• 46:02
  I do enjoy it.
• 46:03
  Um, it's the modern, they say it's the modern day exorcist.
• 46:07
  Yep.
• 46:07
  The head cutting scene.
• 46:08
  I don't think it's the modern day exorcist, but it does have thrills.
• 46:12
  And
• 46:13
  Kearns: You mean Rosemary's baby,
• 46:15
  Ryan: Well, yeah,
• 46:16
  Kearns: your second Rosemary's baby of the list.
• 46:20
  Ryan: I, I love it.
• 46:21
  I mean, I
• 46:22
  Kearns: You know what I like about these two Rosemary's babies?
• 46:24
  Uh, they're different than the original Rosemary's baby.
• 46:27
  Ryan: Uh, very much different.
• 46:29
  There's a little more pace to it, I
• 46:31
  Kearns: We do have to say that paying homage to a great movie through mimicry.
• 46:36
  It isn't a bad thing.
• 46:38
  Ryan: No.
• 46:39
  Kearns: do have very heavy similarities to Rosemary's baby.
• 46:43
  Both, both of those ending scenes.
• 46:45
  Ryan: Oh, yeah.
• 46:46
  Yeah.
• 46:47
  And well, I don't believe number two is gonna be similar to Rosemary's
• 46:50
  baby, but I am gonna plug that the final film in the series is coming
• 46:54
  out this year and I can't wait.
• 46:57
  And that's the Conjuring.
• 46:59
  I,
• 47:00
  Kearns: I'm over it.
• 47:01
  Sorry.
• 47:03
  Yeah, they've ConEd
• 47:04
  Jon: of over the
• 47:05
  Kearns: enough money outta that franchise.
• 47:08
  Well, everything from Conjuring, that's the Annabelle, that's,
• 47:11
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:12
  Kearns: that's all of those, right?
• 47:13
  The none.
• 47:13
  Jon: And
• 47:14
  Kearns: We,
• 47:14
  Jon: Yeah.
• 47:15
  Kearns: I watched one of the more recent ones and it was decent.
• 47:18
  Which was the one with the two, the two, uh, the couple that goes
• 47:21
  around solving all the mysteries.
• 47:23
  Is that the same, the Warrens movies?
• 47:26
  That's con yeah.
• 47:27
  They, they've gotta have 10 films in that franchise now.
• 47:30
  Ryan: Well, for the main series, it's, I think it's
• 47:34
  Kearns: Insidious.
• 47:35
  Ryan: the main.
• 47:36
  Oh,
• 47:36
  Kearns: So Insidious was good and Insidious has the guy from the
• 47:39
  Warrens in it, um, watchdogs that guy, or not Watchdogs, uh, Watchman.
• 47:44
  He plays the Owl dude.
• 47:46
  He's in it.
• 47:47
  He does a great job.
• 47:48
  Insidious is better.
• 47:49
  Sinister was really good too.
• 47:51
  It came out around the same time as Insidious, but the Insidious
• 47:54
  movies were better, my opinion than uh, the Conjuring films.
• 47:59
  Ryan: I mean, uh, I feel like they're two, they're different in their own ways.
• 48:03
  They're two different style horrors.
• 48:05
  Like the Con Films is like, you watch it, you get scared that one time,
• 48:09
  but then when you watch it again, you can look at it at a different
• 48:11
  view, maybe as like a, it's a horror film, but maybe like biographical.
• 48:16
  'cause it's, they're true recordings, so to say, um, from it.
• 48:21
  So that's how I take it from there.
• 48:23
  Insidious is always gonna be a straight horror film, the second one.
• 48:27
  Black Bride?
• 48:29
  Yeah.
• 48:29
  No.
• 48:30
  No.
• 48:30
  Nope.
• 48:32
  Jon: I, like the conjuring are like first viewing.
• 48:39
  some creepiness and after that you sink more into camp almost
• 48:45
  Ryan: Okay.
• 48:45
  Jon: like you can, you can sit around with your buddies and
• 48:48
  make fun of it the whole time.
• 48:50
  Kearns: I don't even feel like I'd want to do it with those movies.
• 48:52
  I would, I choose more authentic camp for my buddy time than The Conjuring,
• 48:57
  'cause it was made to be camp.
• 48:59
  That's the way I feel too.
• 49:01
  Jon: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Kearns: Um, but I also don't wanna pee in Ryan's Cheerios and I, I
• 49:04
  Jon: like
• 49:04
  Kearns: like that.
• 49:05
  You enjoy them.
• 49:06
  Yeah,
• 49:06
  Ryan: that
• 49:07
  Jon: the Con, I haven't seen all of the Conjuring.
• 49:09
  I fell off 'em somewhere along the way.
• 49:12
  Like I haven't seen either of the NUN movies.
• 49:14
  I don't think I saw the last Annabelle,
• 49:16
  Ryan: You
• 49:17
  Kearns: they're dumb.
• 49:18
  Ryan: the
• 49:18
  Jon: like the ones I watched were fine.
• 49:21
  They were fine.
• 49:22
  Kearns: fine.
• 49:23
  Ryan: I, I mean I just stuck with the conjuring, so I've
• 49:26
  seen one, two, I've seen three.
• 49:28
  Um, I don't know.
• 49:30
  I'm excited to see the fourth one 'cause I wanted to see like what made them
• 49:32
  stop or supposedly what made them stop.
• 49:36
  Kearns: They stopped making money.
• 49:39
  Ryan: Okay.
• 49:39
  Fair.
• 49:39
  Especially after they got off.
• 49:41
  Let me not get into it.
• 49:44
  I'll
• 49:44
  Kearns: What's number one?
• 49:45
  Jon: I mean,
• 49:47
  Kearns: What's number one?
• 49:47
  Jon: I, I think the other thing that sort of killed that franchise for me
• 49:52
  is learning more about the Warrens and just how hux they, they were.
• 50:00
  Kearns: Yeah, they were freaking charlatans
• 50:03
  Jon: Yeah.
• 50:03
  Kearns: 1000%.
• 50:05
  But any who, what's number one?
• 50:08
  What's number one?
• 50:09
  Ryan: it's Man Stanley Kubrick, the Shining.
• 50:14
  I had a, you know, the thing is, is
• 50:18
  Kearns: What's your theme again?
• 50:19
  Ryan: super na supernatural
• 50:21
  Kearns: you that had trouble?
• 50:22
  Ryan: those are ghosts.
• 50:23
  All right.
• 50:24
  We
• 50:24
  Kearns: No, I mean, you can't, you can't go wrong with The
• 50:26
  Shining for Supernatural.
• 50:27
  For some reason, I, I forgot, um, 'cause of my brain damage, but yeah.
• 50:33
  Ryan: just, uh, I just love that movie since I was, since I was a kid.
• 50:37
  I feel like I. I got with my uncles, you know, you get my Uncle Joe, who
• 50:42
  always showed me the classic horror.
• 50:44
  And then my Uncle Sal did like a little, like modern during the nineties
• 50:47
  and like the whore and the gore.
• 50:49
  And my Uncle Joe was like, you know, you wanna really see horror, we're gonna
• 50:52
  watch this shiny, that's real horror.
• 50:55
  And it was on TV commercials
• 50:57
  Kearns: It.
• 50:58
  Ryan: and it was cut up and it's, it still, it still scares the
• 51:02
  shit outta you, the TV version.
• 51:04
  And then when you see the actual version, it's like, what was that bear
• 51:08
  doing with that man in that scene?
• 51:10
  Like, it's like, it's, you know, but, but it's a great supernatural film.
• 51:18
  And I'll say this and I'll, I'll make you guys think about this too, at the
• 51:23
  end, when he becomes a part of the house, he always a part of the house?
• 51:30
  Kearns: Jack,
• 51:31
  Ryan: Jack?
• 51:32
  Kearns: not Jack, um, what
• 51:34
  Ryan: John Johnny.
• 51:35
  Kearns: his name?
• 51:36
  Yeah.
• 51:36
  Johnny, uh, no, that they do, the thing with the, the outlook is that they tend
• 51:45
  to do the cycle of time as a wheel, kind of like ka in the dark Tower series.
• 51:51
  That's how that works.
• 51:52
  And that would make, that would make it a paradox and that it
• 51:55
  has no beginning and no end.
• 51:57
  So Yeah, if you're a part of it, you were always a part of it.
• 52:01
  But no, they went to the house.
• 52:02
  They went to the, the hotel, I mean, and they became absorbed
• 52:06
  by the evil he did specifically.
• 52:10
  I mean, it's not just a metaphor for Stephen King's alcoholism,
• 52:12
  almost ripping apart his family.
• 52:13
  It's totally not that.
• 52:15
  It's just a, it's, it's just a supernatural hotel.
• 52:18
  Hey John, you have a top five list too?
• 52:20
  We should try to talk about that.
• 52:21
  Yeah, let's do the top five.
• 52:22
  That was a really good one, Ryan,
• 52:24
  Jon: be before I go into my top five.
• 52:27
  I, I wanna plug Kerns for a second.
• 52:31
  By the
• 52:31
  Kearns: you and everybody else.
• 52:33
  Jon: by the time you
• 52:35
  Kearns: Oh,
• 52:35
  Jon: this, there will be a short story collection available that you
• 52:40
  should go and buy called Kinder, it,
• 52:45
  Kearns: ooh.
• 52:46
  I like the font
• 52:50
  cover design by Roderick Bryden, by everybody.
• 52:53
  Jon: Buy it.
• 52:54
  Kearns: Thank you guys.
• 52:56
  It is, it's a short little guy.
• 52:58
  It's only 154 pages, uh, nine stories.
• 53:01
  And I do something a little fun with it.
• 53:04
  That's not normal, I think.
• 53:05
  Um.
• 53:06
  People will enjoy it.
• 53:07
  If you pick up on it, you'll have to pick up on it.
• 53:09
  If you read it cover to cover, can't miss it.
• 53:12
  Ryan: angler.
• 53:14
  recommend the angler.
• 53:15
  Love the angler
• 53:16
  Kearns: I like the angler too.
• 53:17
  The angler was fun to write, but uh, yeah, it was.
• 53:21
  I wanted to get into real horror 'cause I write Dark Fantasy for my
• 53:25
  series and this is, this is bleak.
• 53:29
  This is bleak horror.
• 53:31
  Ryan: I've been waiting for you to write this for a while.
• 53:33
  I was
• 53:33
  Kearns: It's for you Ryan.
• 53:34
  I think it for you.
• 53:35
  Ryan: once you said, you know, it was connected the
• 53:37
  Jon: It's all for you, Ryan.
• 53:39
  Ryan: Always.
• 53:40
  Kearns: It's always for you, Ryan.
• 53:42
  Ryan: Always.
• 53:44
  I feel like King Tut from Batman now.
• 53:46
  Victor
• 53:46
  Kearns: There we go.
• 53:47
  Meet the moon.
• 53:50
  Every time you say a book title, I'm just gonna start showing them.
• 53:53
  It's the third one.
• 53:56
  Yeah.
• 53:56
  I.
• 54:01
  There you go.
• 54:02
  Lemme get 'em in order.
• 54:03
  But yeah.
• 54:04
  Um, so one of the things that occurs in the series is Lilith children
• 54:09
  are unleashed upon the world.
• 54:11
  And I didn't get a chance in the series to flush out what that's like
• 54:14
  dealing with her demonic children.
• 54:16
  And I also interweave the monsters of myth and whatnot into being her kids.
• 54:20
  So I got a chance to do that in the short story collection.
• 54:23
  I wish that I'd written 45 stories to put in that collection, but I'll keep doing
• 54:27
  'em over time and maybe do a second.
• 54:30
  Yep.
• 54:31
  I was thinking the same.
• 54:32
  That's, see, that's why Ryan's gonna be my agent.
• 54:34
  Ryan: You
• 54:35
  Kearns: But yeah, man,
• 54:36
  Ryan: kinders
• 54:37
  Jon: volume two.
• 54:39
  Kinder.
• 54:40
  Kearns: Kinder.
• 54:42
  Kinder.
• 54:44
  But thank you guys for pausing us long enough to plug the work.
• 54:47
  I appreciate it.
• 54:48
  Pre-orders jumped up nicely and yeah, thank you for bringing my
• 54:52
  proofreaders too, while my ARC readers Oh, much appreciated.
• 54:58
  Let's do John's top five.
• 55:01
  Jon: All right.
• 55:02
  So I went with five creepy mannequins.
• 55:07
  Kearns: I thought you were gonna say creepy men.
• 55:09
  Like
• 55:10
  Jon: there's way more than five.
• 55:12
  Kearns: don't go with five of them.
• 55:13
  My god.
• 55:14
  Jon: I can't, I, I, there's no way I could pair that list down to five.
• 55:19
  Kearns: All right, let's go on.
• 55:22
  Jon: So,
• 55:30
  so for number five, I took the Ryan route
• 55:34
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 55:34
  Jon: put on a movie I haven't watched yet.
• 55:37
  That's on my watch
• 55:38
  Kearns: it's illegal.
• 55:40
  Jon: I know, I know it, it feels like a sin, but it fits pretty
• 55:44
  well the movie's called Slacks,
• 55:50
  Kearns: Never heard of it.
• 55:51
  Ryan: No,
• 55:51
  Jon: S-L-A-X-X.
• 55:53
  Kearns: Um,
• 55:55
  Ryan: I've heard of
• 55:56
  Jon: So in Slacks, a,
• 55:59
  a possessed pair of blue jeans uses a mannequin to move and torment
• 56:05
  the employees of a clothing store.
• 56:09
  Libby must find a way to stop the jeans
• 56:15
  so you could killer blue jeans on a mannequin and it's, you know,
• 56:18
  it ha, that has to be awesome.
• 56:21
  Kearns: I mean, yeah.
• 56:22
  Ryan: I'm just,
• 56:23
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 56:24
  Ryan: going on the list.
• 56:27
  Kearns: I can't, yeah.
• 56:28
  I don't know if I can live the rest of my life without watching that movie now,
• 56:32
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 56:32
  Right,
• 56:34
  Kearns: like hacks.
• 56:36
  Ryan: feel like it's
• 56:36
  Kearns: All right.
• 56:39
  How many more mannequin based horror movies can there be?
• 56:42
  Jon: I have at least four, well, technically five, but
• 56:46
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 56:47
  Jon: my number four, they're not all based.
• 56:50
  Some of them are just an appearance of a mannequin or the way they use mannequins.
• 56:54
  And that's the case of number four.
• 56:57
  I know what you did last summer,
• 56:58
  Ryan: Yes.
• 57:00
  Kearns: Oh yeah, it's right.
• 57:02
  Jon: right?
• 57:04
  So you get that one scene where Helen is sneaking through a store
• 57:07
  with a bunch of mannequins, but one of them's not a mannequin.
• 57:11
  Kearns: That's pretty cool.
• 57:13
  I forgot about that.
• 57:13
  That was a long time ago.
• 57:15
  Jon: go too deep into I know what you did last summer because it's on the schedule.
• 57:19
  We're definitely doing it within the next couple months.
• 57:22
  Ryan: I can't wait.
• 57:24
  I can't wait.
• 57:25
  Love.
• 57:26
  I know what you did last summer.
• 57:27
  Jon: Wait.
• 57:28
  Yeah.
• 57:30
  Which will roll right into my number three trip.
• 57:35
  Ryan: I love that movie too.
• 57:38
  Jon: So a group of friends come across a roadside museum only to be stalked by
• 57:43
  the owner who can use his telekinetic powers to control the mannequins
• 57:48
  Ryan: It is so good.
• 57:49
  Jon: and potentially, possibly turn people into mannequins.
• 57:56
  Ryan: Oh, I think
• 57:57
  Kearns: Okay,
• 57:59
  Jon: Oh, yeah.
• 58:00
  And that, that's what, um, Western Legend Chuck Connors,
• 58:06
  Ryan: yep.
• 58:08
  Jon: which is pretty awesome.
• 58:11
  Kearns: legend.
• 58:13
  Jon: my number two, there's a remake, which I don't recommend,
• 58:19
  but my number two is House of Wax from 1953 with
• 58:23
  Kearns: Oh, fair.
• 58:23
  Ryan: Okay.
• 58:24
  Kearns: Thank you.
• 58:25
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 58:25
  Yeah.
• 58:26
  Kearns: Paris Hilton's in that, right?
• 58:27
  Ryan: Yep.
• 58:28
  Kearns: I was gonna say burn it.
• 58:30
  Jon: it, so the, the remake came out in 2005 with Paris Hilton, and the
• 58:35
  tagline at the time was kind of a draw and now feels a little gross.
• 58:41
  It was on May 6th, see Paris Die.
• 58:47
  Ryan: Yeah, but
• 58:49
  Kearns: is
• 58:49
  Jon: little
• 58:50
  Kearns: kind of funny.
• 58:50
  It was right after her sex tape dropped too.
• 58:53
  Ryan: did we all
• 58:53
  Jon: Yep.
• 58:53
  Ryan: it to see her
• 58:54
  Jon: It was,
• 58:55
  Ryan: Because I
• 58:56
  Kearns: I didn't see, I hit the hot box and I refused to watch it when it
• 58:58
  was free streaming on pay-per-view, and
• 59:02
  Jon: it,
• 59:02
  Ryan: that?
• 59:03
  Jon: but I, I don't think I watched it for that reason.
• 59:06
  Like the Paris Hilton phenomenon was something that sort of
• 59:11
  missed me mostly because I didn't ever consume any of that stuff,
• 59:17
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 59:18
  Ryan: Was there show at
• 59:19
  Kearns: that makes sense.
• 59:21
  Nicole or Richie, whatever her name was.
• 59:24
  Um,
• 59:24
  Jon: Yeah.
• 59:25
  Lionel's Kid.
• 59:26
  Kearns: their stupid name of the show though.
• 59:29
  But yeah, we don't even wanna bring, we don't wanna say it.
• 59:31
  Oh, simple.
• 59:32
  Jon: I remember these things?
• 59:35
  Ryan: On Fox,
• 59:36
  Jon: God.
• 59:36
  Kearns: On a farm.
• 59:38
  Ryan: you got rid of
• 59:38
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 59:39
  Ryan: for that bullshit.
• 59:40
  Kearns: All right.
• 59:41
  So House of Wax.
• 59:42
  I'm curious if number one's not a horror movie.
• 59:44
  Well, the one I'm thinking of with the very notable mannequin scene
• 59:48
  isn't a horror movie, but kind of is.
• 59:50
  But I'm curious if it's gonna be your number one.
• 59:53
  Ryan: I know.
• 59:53
  Jon: So my number one is, is two.
• 59:56
  It's a movie and it's remake.
• 59:58
  It's the rare remake.
• 1:00:00
  I really like Maniac,
• 1:00:02
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:00:03
  Ryan: There's
• 1:00:04
  Kearns: I
• 1:00:04
  Jon: so,
• 1:00:05
  Kearns: didn't get that right.
• 1:00:06
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 1:00:07
  Drained Serial killer is using mannequins to display the trophies
• 1:00:11
  he's taken from his victims.
• 1:00:15
  But eventually those mannequins sort of help him fall further into madness.
• 1:00:21
  Ryan: Yes.
• 1:00:21
  Jon: And so the original is like late seventies, early eighties,
• 1:00:26
  grimy gritty, New York City with Joe Spinel, who's like, you know,
• 1:00:32
  perfect sleazeball killer kind of guy.
• 1:00:35
  Like
• 1:00:35
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 1:00:36
  Jon: the role, a role he was born to play
• 1:00:39
  Ryan: he looks like a
• 1:00:40
  Jon: and then you remake it.
• 1:00:42
  Ryan: I was gonna say, he looks like a rundown.
• 1:00:43
  Ron Jeremy.
• 1:00:44
  Before Ron Jeremy became rundown
• 1:00:47
  Kearns: Yeah, I was gonna say
• 1:00:48
  Jon: Y Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:50
  Ryan: like
• 1:00:50
  Kearns: rundown.
• 1:00:51
  Jon: He, he did, he definitely could have played Ron Jerry in a biopic
• 1:00:56
  Ryan: Yes.
• 1:00:59
  Kearns: Um, you know what scene I was thinking of though before you go on.
• 1:01:02
  Um, I am legend.
• 1:01:04
  The, the mannequins and I am legend came to mind.
• 1:01:07
  I was like, oh, there'd probably be like three or two.
• 1:01:10
  Nope.
• 1:01:11
  Didn't make the cut.
• 1:01:12
  Jon: So then you, you get the 2012 remake with Elijah
• 1:01:16
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:17
  Jon: which, which he's very effective as a, as sort of a psycho killer in that way.
• 1:01:23
  Like he's got mannerisms and the affect and all that.
• 1:01:27
  He's really good.
• 1:01:29
  And you swap the grimy New York City for this sort of
• 1:01:33
  glitzy, empty LA and it works.
• 1:01:37
  Ryan: It does.
• 1:01:38
  Jon: So yeah, number one or is shared by maniacs.
• 1:01:43
  Ryan: real quick, I wanna say kudos for House of Wax, uh, Vincent Price.
• 1:01:48
  And, uh, just like we've mentioned Vincent Price a couple times, um, I
• 1:01:54
  feel like we all love Vincent Price.
• 1:01:56
  Shout out and watch a Vincent Price movie, ladies and Gentlemen,
• 1:01:58
  house of Wax, last Man on Earth.
• 1:02:01
  Watch that, man.
• 1:02:02
  It's just, he
• 1:02:03
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 1:02:03
  Ryan: kudos
• 1:02:04
  Kearns: one's good.
• 1:02:05
  Ryan: I'm sorry, besides thriller.
• 1:02:06
  Jon: Fly,
• 1:02:08
  Ryan: Yep.
• 1:02:08
  The fly.
• 1:02:09
  Jon: think.
• 1:02:10
  Kearns: I mean, you wanna get sued, but our intro,
• 1:02:14
  Ryan: Be afraid.
• 1:02:16
  Be
• 1:02:16
  Kearns: be very afraid.
• 1:02:19
  That's how we'll end this week, guys.
• 1:02:21
  All right.
• 1:02:21
  We'll see you next week for another episode and, 'cause I don't
• 1:02:25
  remember what we're doing it on.
• 1:02:27
  And yeah, stay sleazy.
• 1:02:30
  Ryan: A going guys.
• 1:02:32
  Jon: See ya.