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Sharing Grace at Christmas · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  I get to say, welcome, welcome, our wonderful audience.
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  Peter and I are here again.
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  It's just a few days before Christmas.
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  And we actually have a lovely guest today, and we're going to talk about really a subject that is perfect and relates perfectly to Christ Christmas.
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  Peter, do you want to say hello?
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  Hi, dude.
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  Relates very much to Christmas to Christianity.
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  It's one of the more shining stories to come out of COVID.
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  And one of the more um illustrious examples of how people have responded to the tragedies in which they found themselves immersed as a result of COVID-19.
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  And um result of the predatory actions of our own government.
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  And many of you have familiar with I guess Scott Shara.
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  Better known actually as Grace's dad.
• 1:35
  That's right.
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  And um Grace was a very young lady with 19 years old.
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  How old was Grace?
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  She was 19.
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  19.
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  And she had Down syndrome, very loving youngster.
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  She became sick with COVID, was hospitalized, and from her dad's viewpoint, pretty much just murdered by the system.
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  And he responded by becoming one of the world's experts on the system.
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  And it's murderous tendencies.
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  Enlightening, filled with detail and both detail and drama.
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  And very much worth reading.
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  It tells um in very sweeping terms.
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  The background of what was done to his daughter.
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  And its roots in really Western civilizations.
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  Oh self-destructiveness.
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  He's now immersed in a lawsuit.
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  Right now, and he'll get us caught up on that.
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  And that's um Scott Shara, the ascension hell.
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  All right.
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  Let me bring Scott in.
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  Hi, Scott.
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  Hi, Ginger.
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  Hi, Peter.
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  Thank you so much for being on our show today.
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  In this really unusual way, I think that I was looking over your book that comes out just at the end of the year.
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  And just in a couple of weeks, I think.
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  Yeah, it's gonna be mid-January, I think is we haven't set the target date yet, but it'll probably be mid-January.
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  Okay, is it for sale yet?
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  No, not yet.
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  Yeah.
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  So I uh just emailed our webmaster so that we can get a button on the website.
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  So we've got a few hoops to jump through yet.
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  Um before we'll be able to have that button on the website and then the link to purchase it.
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  Right.
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  Uh the book is called Scott's book is called Is the Government Legally Killing Us.
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  And it's both the story of how his beautiful daughter Grace died so early and before her time in the hospital, how she was killed, as well as the book also looks at the broader pressures and reasons for uh reasons or excuses for why she was why she was why she died, why she actually was taken from us all.
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  I say that actually with a lot of intention that she was taken from us all because the most loving, caring, sensitive, gentle people, some of the most loving and caring and gentle people in this earth on this earth, are the down syndrome children and adults.
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  And I know from everything you've written that Grace just personified love, and she personified love for you and for her family, her mom, her siblings, and she personified love of life, and she also personified love of Jesus and the Jesus love that love of Jesus and love of God that Grace had I think so meaningful for us to remember and to talk about at this point in time, just the week of Christmas.
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  So go ahead and uh begin where you want to with your story and what's happening.
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  Well, you know, I'm gonna just play off of what you said first.
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  So Grace, yeah, Grace says love was um it was contagious, uh, she was the ultimate encourager.
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  Um, you know, she would sign off uh virtually every letter or card that she would write.
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  Her for her favorite scripture was first John 4 8, and she abbreviated that scripture as God is love, and Grace personified that scripture.
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  Um, yeah, she she was uh she was quite a um you know to have somebody like her show me what God's love is well just I'll cut to the quick I mean Ginger towards the end, you know, after you start seeing what she brought to the table, I thought many times I wish I had Down syndrome, and the reason is because it's uh even though you think, well, why would you ever want to be disabled?
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  Well, I'm disabled.
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  Grace was not disabled.
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  Uh Grace saw things the way God intended.
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  And I'm I'll share a story with you so you can kind of get a uh grip on it, and it it does help us get into the mindset of Christmas.
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  And I'm not talking about December 25th.
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  I'm talking about the mindset of um what did God do?
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  You know, think about the the creator of heaven and earth came to earth as a child.
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  Who does that?
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  You know, that is not yeah, yeah, Christianity.
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  It's one of the reasons you can prove Christianity is right compared to all other faiths in the world, because um we're the only people that have a savior who came to Earth, who rose from the dead, and who has dealt with the cause of sin, which is our pride, all other faiths prey, ew on pride, uh, versus Christianity says no, your pride is the problem.
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  Um anyway, I'll just tell you this quick story about Grace.
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  So Grace loved to go to the county fairs.
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  And you know, of course, as her dad, I got designated as the one who had to ride on all the rides with her.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Yeah, I know.
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  So I mean you can imagine.
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  So just about every ride, yeah.
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  I need about a 20 to 30 minute break just for my stomach to catch up.
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  Yeah.
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  So during one of the breaks, I was sitting on the uh bench, and uh uh was maybe 40, 50 yards away from the fairground entrance, and Grace was with my wife Cindy out in front of me.
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  Yeah, I'm kind of creating this picture so people can see it, you know, maybe 20, 30 yards in front of me.
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  And she sees the the small vet, uh, small animal vet um from our hometown, uh come into the fairgrounds, and she goes running up to him and giving him a big hug.
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  And I sat there on that bench thinking, I can't do that.
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  So you think, well, what are you talking about?
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  Why can't you go up and give somebody a hug?
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  Well, because I had an attitude toward him.
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  So why do I have an attitude toward him?
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  Well, because yeah, not only is he gay, but he married a man and they adopted children.
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  So I mean, I just don't care for that.
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  The problem is I took my hate for the sin and transferred it to the sinner.
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  To the human being.
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  Yep.
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  And what Grace did was she loved the sinner and separated the sin.
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  Uh so she did what I was supposed to do, but I didn't have the ability to do it.
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  Um that was my that was my best buddy in action.
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  Um at Grace's funeral.
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  400 people came to her funeral.
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  Yeah, I was known as Grace's dad before she died.
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  You know, nobody knew who I was, everybody knows who Grace was.
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  So anyway, people came up to Cindy, my wife and I, and you know, during the line, you guys did such a great job with Grace.
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  And uh I spoke to the I spoke at her funeral, and I I um said to the people in attendance, you know, all of you have basically said how great of a job Cindy and I did raising Grace, and the reality is Grace was.
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  Easy.
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  We didn't do a great job.
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  Grace made our job easy.
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  You don't need God's help to love somebody like Grace.
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  You need God's help to love the unlovable.
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  And that was my message that day to the audience.
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  And anyway, I miss her tremendously.
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  She has uh become a martyr, and she has lit a fire under my rear end uh like no other.
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  I mean, I am in this mission now, full-time.
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  Um, it's it's as intense of anything I've ever done.
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  I've started three businesses from scratch, and this is significantly more work, harder, more intense, and there's no end.
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  Uh, you know, when you start a business, there's an end, right?
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  You get it to a certain point, and there's an end to it, but there's no end to this.
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  This is the most important fight I've ever been in, and uh I can't imagine not doing this until my last breath.
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  And how do you define your fight at this point in time?
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  Yeah, that's a great question.
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  Um, the defy the fight would be defined under Ephesians 5.11.
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  So, and this is very important for people to understand because this verse is uh has been translated incorrectly.
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  So in your Bible, you will see that it says uh have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
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  And I'm emphasizing the word expose here.
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  Uh the NIV translation and all modern translations trans um have translated that word, which in the Geneva Bible is reprove.
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  In the King James Bible is rebuke, uh, though that word has been translated to expose.
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  And this is what Satan does.
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  Translations are meant to deceive us.
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  And so exposing means you're running around like you know, the sky is falling with you know, chicken with your head cut off, and you're not doing anything about it.
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  Uh so my responsibility is to rebuke evil.
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  So, you know, instead of um you know, you think about the lawsuit, for example.
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  The lawsuit was a rebuke to evil.
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  So, what do I mean by that?
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  Well, we went into the antichrist legal system.
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  Um, really without a chance to win.
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  You can't win in that system.
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  It's not designed for us to win.
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  It's it's an illusion of justice, it's not real justice.
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  I mean, they nailed the king of justice to the cross, so you're not going to get justice in the antichrist legal system.
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  And you know, so why did I do that?
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  Well, because God called me into that, and it's so that we could rebuke the evil, not just the evil in the medical industrial complex, but the legal industrial complex.
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  And now tomorrow we have a hearing uh which is also a rebuke to evil.
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  And it's the what happened, and the purpose of the hearing tomorrow is the judge denied our motions in liminy.
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  Uh so the trial ended up not being about why Grace died, but ended up being about uh my religious beliefs and the research that I've done uh regarding the medical industrial complex and COVID.
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  And so it was very frustrating.
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  Um, so that's the purpose of the motion for the new trial is for the judge to reverse that situation and grant a new trial.
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  Wow.
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  So the trial began uh ended up focusing on your personal belief system on Christianity, really.
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  Um rather than the actual hard facts of what happened that brought about Grace's death.
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  That's correct.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's very frustrating.
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  How the judge did that.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  That's uh that's a great question.
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  So during what happens, just to give you a time frame.
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  We filed the lawsuit April 11th of 2023.
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  There were multiple hearings and motions to dismiss, and you you go through all these legal hoops, but ultimately the trial was scheduled for June 2nd.
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  So scheduled three weeks starting June 2nd.
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  So then there's a pretrial, always before a big trial like that, and the pretrial was May 19th and 20th.
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  So during the pretrial, one of the things that happens is each side files what's called motions and liminy.
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  Motions and liminy are what each side wants to have uh limits on the evidence that comes into the trial.
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  Uh so the judge went through and heard all the defenses, motions and liminy, and then when it came time to hear ours, we were we had taken a uh kind of a break, and we were talking about the trial being um cameras in the courtroom and live streaming the trial and all of that.
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  And uh our legal team brought up that I had given an interview to the local newspaper, which is the post-crescent, and the judge got mad and said uh there's going to be consequences for this, and all the consequences are going to be on the plaintiff.
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  And then he unilaterally denied all of our motions in limity.
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  We never even got to argue them.
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  And our motions in Limini were about not bringing up my religious beliefs or my medical industrial complex research.
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  We didn't want that in the trial.
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  And why?
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  Because then we knew that the trial would be a circus if that stuff was able to be brought in.
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  And uh, so he denied all those motions in Limini, and so consequently uh it would it was impossible to get a fair trial, which it is anyway, in their system, but it it it you know, he really put it in a situation where it was impossible to um ever get a jury of my peers because the defense was able to paint me as a religious uh whack job.
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  Um, which, you know, that's to the to their credit.
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  I mean, yeah, you know, the defense, you know, that's what they were supposed to do.
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  You know, the judge gave them the green light to do that.
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  And so if you think about you know, they they asked me a lot of questions about COVID.
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  Uh, do I think COVID is a virus?
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  And you know, all these things should have never been brought up.
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  And I mean, you you guys, as well as know as well as anybody that COVID has divided this country.
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  And so consequently, my motions in Lemony were the only tool in their system that could protect me from that fact influencing the jury.
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  So when he denied our motions in limity, it was impossible to get a fair trial.
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  Right, and it just immediately divides people who were sitting in the jury pool.
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  Correct.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  To me, there's a fundamental principle in her um life and death.
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  Which is in Western civilization, which is the treasuring of human life.
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  Yes.
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  And um perhaps that would be a simplest way to look at it.
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  Um that might allow you to nonetheless bring in many of these issues.
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  Um Western civilization.
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  You said that no other religion, you know, really presents the Christian viewpoint.
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  And the striking thing about the New Testament is how original it is.
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  And what a leap it is from the old testament.
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  That's right.
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  And what the and I say that as true, that what the leap is the explicit statement that we have a new commandment, which is to love.
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  And that's what I think you represent and what the case would represent in secular terms that might not be so divisive.
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  I agree.
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  Um, we are just a thought.
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  We are at a break.
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  It's a great thought.
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  That's what I think this trial is about ultimately.
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  Say what it is again.
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  It's about treasuring human life because we go back, and there's the long history of not uh not treasuring these children when they were born.
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  And now we we get to more broad, just not treasuring children, not treasuring human life, which is a principle that is literally a new commandment from Jesus' viewpoint and in the history of Judeo Christian principles is absolutely unique in where it places the individual versus a state, and that we've lost that and COVID was the principles behind COVID were very much destructive of that principle of treasuring human life, because if you treasure human life, you can't really easily impose collectivism on people and collectivistic medical principles, so-called public health has been one of the erasures of treasuring human life.
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  And with the medical destruction of people during COVID.
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  Well, Peter, I think you nailed the exact issue.
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  So COVID brought this out to me.
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  I mean, I was aware of collectivism in general before, but I did not realize how deeply ingrained it is in our society.
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  Uh, in my book, is the government legally killing us?
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  I lay this out systematically.
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  So in 19 in 1905 with Jacobson versus Massachusetts, that was officially the first COVID or not COVID, the the official first collectivism stake in the ground.
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  You know, of course, it's a mindset that's been around for way longer than that.
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  The whole eugenics mindset has been around um uh since Plato, but the uh you know, in the United States, they use their legal system through the Supreme Court with Jacobson versus Massachusetts to um say no, this collectivism doctrine is now going to be the law of the land, and boy, have they implemented it in spades, you know, with with people with Down syndrome, you know, it it becomes this thing.
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  So, you know, Hannah Aaron Aaron coined the phrase banality of evil, it becomes this banality of evil that you don't even recognize it.
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  So the young couple today, uh, when they get pregnant, what happens?
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  There's nothing wrong with getting pregnant.
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  I mean, that's fantastic, but what do they do?
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  They're programmed, they have insurance.
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  First of all, they've got medical insurance.
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  Why do you have medical insurance?
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  That's just part of the programming, right?
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  Well, you're a dummy if you don't have insurance.
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  Well, what's the reason you're a dummy?
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  So then the medical insurance uh says, Oh, as soon as I get pregnant, I better have the doctor verify that I'm pregnant.
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  So they go into the doctor, and the insurance company is in bed with uh Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, so then um the insurance codes are all written so that the doctor's procedures are the only thing that can be paid for.
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  So then the doctor says you should have an amniocentesis, and you know, the young couple, of course, they have no roots, so they don't even they just think, well, my you know, they've been programmed that the doctor follows the Hippocratic Oath, which is another that's another level of programming.
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  So they just blindly trust the white code, so then they only ask the doctor, well, does my insurance pay for it?
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  And the doctor, well, yeah, of course, your insurance pays for it.
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  Well, why does the insurance company pay for an amniocentesis?
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  Of course, there's no informed consent regarding the risks of an amniocentesis, so then they just blindly go get it, and so then now they schedule the appointment with the doctor to go through the results, and he says, Well, you know, it it looks like based on these results, your um son is going to have down syndrome, and I recommend an abortion.
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  Well, why do you recommend an abortion?
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  Well, because uh these types of people are burdens to society.
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  Um, they're going to be a burden on you, you know, both of you work, it's gonna be a hardship on you.
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  Um blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  You know, just it's completely ridiculous.
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  So then the young couple, because they trust the white code and don't have any roots, they schedule the abortion, and 90% of Down syndrome people are aborted in America today.
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  Um, and that's collectivism and action.
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  That's the banality of evil.
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  And how did how did uh your daughter come to avoid that destruction?
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  Well, we she came to avoid uh come to avoid it because my wife and I were uh Abraham and Sarah when we decided to get pregnant again.
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  Although we weren't we weren't a hundred, we were 39.
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  So I mean, we already had uh 2.1 kids, 1.7 dogs, you know, we were chasing the American dream, and all of a sudden we said to each other, I think we should let God lead in the baby department.
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  So five minutes after we decided to let God lead in the baby department, fertile myrtle got pregnant, and um Peter, you opened up a can of worms.
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  I'm answering Drew.
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  I kind of knew that oh God bless you.
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  So then uh yeah, we never did any of the testing.
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  Uh so all of a sudden, you know, the day we found out Grace had Down syndrome was the day she was born.
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  So then, you know, she she I was in the in the delivery room with Cindy, and she comes out and I said to Cindy, I think she has Down syndrome because you just had that look, right?
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  Yeah, and you know, so they rushed her off because she wasn't pinking up right away, and then the doctors came a doctor came in.
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  They had I saw these doctors huddling, and uh they came in and said, We suspect your daughter has down syndrome.
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  Do you want to keep her?
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  So what are you talking about?
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  And they said, Well, we have people waiting in the wings for children such as these, and you know, at that time I was so naive.
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  I mean, I had no idea what they're even talking about.
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  I just assumed adoption, and I you know, so we we just said, Yeah, of course we're keeping our daughter.
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  What do you you know, don't come back to us with any of this foolishness.
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  And um, you know, of course, we didn't know her name was going to be Grace, then we had picked out either grace or faith, and ultimately we named her Grace, and it uh fit it fit uh her perfectly.
• 27:41
  I think that this might be the a good way to get around uh this that your viewpoints are not kooky, that they are fundamental to Western civilization and unique to Christianity, which is we should love one another as God loves us, Jesus loved the people he was addressing when he said that and said, as I as I love you, yeah, you shall be known, or something close to that, and um John remember.
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  Um just some thoughts about the importance of you and your gut level response of what are you talking about.
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  What did they mean by we have people waiting in the wings?
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  Never asked any further.
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  I mean, I just assume it was people who wanted to adopt, yeah.
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  So what h- you know, so Grace then um she wasn't pinking up and they uh had a sign of form.
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  It's interesting how God's providence is involved with this stuff.
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  So they had to sign a form that they could transport transport her via ambulance uh to a NIC unit, and uh so I signed the form.
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  Grace is off in an ambulance, and so I said, um get my wife ready, and uh I said, because we're going to that hospital in the oh no, you she can't, she's gonna be staying overnight here.
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  He said, No, she's not staying overnight here.
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  I said, I we had a suburban at the time.
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  I said, I'm gonna be I'm gonna pull up the suburban, and I'm giving you 20 minutes to get your paperwork ready.
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  If you don't have your paperwork ready, I will be taking her out of this hospital bed, and because we're going to the hospital where our daughter's at.
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  So they got their paperwork done at we went to that hospital.
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  Uh so then um Grace ultimately got home, and then we it's interesting because then the bill for we had no insurance for uh at that point, we were still.
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  Under conventional insurance, but we had a high deductible and uh we didn't have any baby coverage, so we just had like catastrophic a $20,000 deductible and no baby coverage.
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  So then I get the bill uh for the Nick unit, and it was I don't know, 50, 60,000.
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  And um so Grace was because she had Down syndrome, you know.
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  This is all stuff.
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  I mean, I was blind to all of this then, but I wasn't blind to God's leading.
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  So we get this bill, and uh then they said, Well, you can Grace will be covered under Katie Beckett, which is a Medicaid program because she has Down syndrome.
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  I said, Okay, fine.
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  So uh I get the paperwork for Katie Beckett, and they said, Well, we we don't cover, we're not gonna cover that Nick units day.
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  And I said, Well, what's the reason?
• 30:51
  Well, because we can't give coverage to Grace until she's home.
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  So once she got home is when her coverage starts.
• 31:01
  So I was on the phone.
• 31:03
  You'll love this, Peter, especially with your personality, you sound like a lot like me.
• 31:08
  So I'm on the phone with the representative from Medicaid.
• 31:12
  I said, So you're telling me that I think Grace was in the Nick unit for two weeks.
• 31:15
  I said, So the first two weeks, which is where all of our medical bills are, we have no coverage.
• 31:21
  But as soon as Grace is home, now we have coverage.
• 31:24
  Yep, that's what I'm telling you.
• 31:25
  I said, So let me just ask you a couple questions.
• 31:28
  I said, if we would have home birthed, and then Grace went from home to the Nick unit, would we have coverage?
• 31:36
  Yeah, and it was a lady, she said, yes, you would have.
• 31:39
  I said, I said, you gotta be kidding me.
• 31:41
  I said, So let me just add, I said, let me ask you another question.
• 31:45
  If I would have understood this coverage situation, and so now Grace went from the hospital via ambulance to the NIC unit.
• 31:58
  I said, if I would have gotten in the front seat with the ambulance driver and said, Hey, I'm gonna tip you a hundred dollars, but I need you to swing swing by my house.
• 32:07
  We're gonna unload Grace and then load her back up and put her back in the ambulance, and then we're gonna go to the NIC unit.
• 32:13
  I said, if I would have done that with the ambulance driver, would we have coverage?
• 32:17
  And she says, Yes.
• 32:18
  I said, Do you I said you see how ridiculous this is?
• 32:22
  And she said, Don't try to fight it.
• 32:24
  We have three full-time attorneys.
• 32:25
  You'll never you'll never win this.
• 32:27
  I said, Okay, that's fine.
• 32:29
  Um, but let me she said, I understand what you're saying.
• 32:35
  Let me talk with somebody.
• 32:37
  And uh the very next day we had had a letter dated the very next day that they backdated the coverage to the time Grace was born.
• 32:46
  Wow.
• 32:47
  So the entire 60,000 was covered.
• 32:50
  Wow.
• 32:51
  Isn't that amazing?
• 32:53
  Yes, it is.
• 32:55
  Yes, it is.
• 32:59
  You know, it was the way I described that story was pretty close to just about how it happened because those type of things would historically send me to the moon.
• 33:08
  Yeah, I would have got angry with this lady because it's so stupid.
• 33:11
  Um, but I didn't get angry, and I thought, uh, I wonder if God was um telling me, hey, this is the way I want you to be.
• 33:18
  Don't get angry with people.
• 33:20
  And so he uh he decided to reward me with this.
• 33:24
  This is God is not a performance god, so I don't want to give people a perception that based on obedience, God gives us blessings.
• 33:32
  That's that's not how it works.
• 33:33
  But I just think that in that particular case, it was um an anomaly for me to be so calm with the lady on the other end of the phone with something so stupid.
• 33:45
  Well, there's some analogy here that God was already with you.
• 33:52
  Yes, the big insurance company was already on your spot.
• 33:56
  That's right.
• 33:57
  Yeah.
• 34:00
  Yeah, the biggest insurance cover you could ever have was already on our side.
• 34:05
  That's funny.
• 34:06
  I I went through this kind of crisis early in my reform work where I found that if I put my caring self into taking on the uh oppression of uh psychiatry, which I didn't understand then as part of the larger global predator book book uh issues that we later.
• 34:36
  Ginger and I later started to get into, which are now really writing about in very great detail with new information in it that I didn't fully grasp.
• 34:48
  But I wanted to stay open to facing just how grim the world was.
• 34:57
  And um how the uh likely unlikely it was that I'd ever get a book published on um just how bad psychiatry was.
• 35:13
  This was before I'd written tox before I met Ginger and before I'd written toxic psychiatry.
• 35:22
  And I I just said to God, I don't know where this would fit into your theology.
• 35:28
  And I'm fond of saying that my theology is extremely limited to a few practical ideas.
• 35:37
  Um I said to God, I can't continue what I'm doing if I'm so angry all the time.
• 35:46
  Yeah.
• 35:47
  So I can't handle it myself.
• 35:49
  Yeah, it's just too much.
• 35:51
  So please, if these people who were the perpetrators, the psychiatrists with the leadership of psychiatry was perpetrating lobotomy and shock treatment and the huge trunking of people and involved voluntary treatment, the other things I was taking on.
• 36:09
  I said, please find someone else who can be angry at them and let them take that part of the job that's needed because I can't do it.
• 36:20
  It's not um it was just incompatible with having a good and loving life.
• 36:27
  And you may have and realize that that you had to take some really tough stance, and that it was incompatible with your previous way of life, being a loving man who was so tuned in to his daughter's survival and right to life.
• 36:54
  His daughter's your daughter's value.
• 36:57
  You were you you you had value for this human being from before she was ever born.
• 37:05
  Yeah, yeah, she was uh it's interesting at the beginning.
• 37:09
  Um my perspective was you know, I I loved Grace right from the from the first day, but I just thought in my mind, well, she's never gonna be able to drive, she's never gonna be able to hunt.
• 37:21
  She's not you know, all these never never never, right?
• 37:24
  And um God blinded us to her down syndrome, and we just got her involved with everything.
• 37:32
  And when she was 13, this will give you a great example.
• 37:37
  Uh so uh Grace deer hunted with me, and when she was 13, we were driving, we drove over to our hunting property, and uh, you know, at this point she's only four feet tall.
• 37:49
  You know, she's and we get there, and she said to me, Dad, can I drive?
• 37:53
  I said, You bet.
• 37:54
  So I got her behind the steering wheel of the pickup truck, and she did great.
• 38:00
  Anyway, uh then I realized she's gonna tell mom, and this isn't gonna go over.
• 38:07
  This isn't gonna go over very well.
• 38:11
  Wow.
• 38:11
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• 39:50
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• 39:53
  Peter Bregan and Ginger Break and on the breaking hour.
• 39:57
  And this is airing this Saturday at 4 p.m.
• 40:00
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• 40:07
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• 40:11
  Well yeah.
• 40:14
  I'll finish up, I'll finish up the story about the driving one.
• 40:18
  So thank you.
• 40:19
  So Drake, Grace, you know, she did just fine.
• 40:23
  And uh so then we had about an hour drive home, and I said, Grace, uh, you can't tell mom.
• 40:29
  Uh-oh.
• 40:32
  This is an innocent human being.
• 40:34
  How is she withhold from her mother?
• 40:37
  Yeah, well, she didn't withhold.
• 40:39
  I mean, we weren't in the house a half a second.
• 40:41
  She said, Dad, let me drive.
• 40:43
  Uh, and so I was in the doghouse for about a week.
• 40:46
  Uh, and Cindy would tell everybody this story, and you know, everybody sided with me.
• 40:51
  So then she realized, oh, maybe she was being a little tough, you know.
• 40:55
  But we just we Grace, the sky was the limit.
• 40:58
  It truly was the limit.
• 41:00
  And um, I would do want to comment about the anger situation, Peter, because I it is an area that um yeah, so uh I'm gonna comment on two angles.
• 41:15
  One is you know, where am I at today?
• 41:19
  You know, I can still get plenty angry.
• 41:21
  I'm certainly making headway in the anger department, but I can get plenty plenty angry.
• 41:26
  Uh, you know, things that send me to the moon, stupidity, laziness, um, blaming, those type of things really send me to the moon pretty quick.
• 41:35
  But uh, I'm learning patience, um slowly but surely.
• 41:41
  Interestingly, you know, in order to become an outspoken person for the um against the medical murder agenda against the medical industrial establishment, uh, God had to do something to me, which is quite interesting.
• 41:57
  And and uh I'll frame it because well, I remember when it happened, and I went into a different hospital three days after Grace died, you know, and I'm contemplating her death, and um and that's where God broke me.
• 42:10
  And so what am I talking about?
• 42:12
  Because I'm gonna I'll just um share with you what I'm sp, you know.
• 42:17
  So, what did he break me of specifically?
• 42:19
  Well, a lot of different things, but what he broke me of in that specific case that applies to what I'm doing now is uh the to have forgiveness towards the doctor and nurse who did this degrees, and that was a really a key component because you know, if I'm just doing this as an angry dad, it doesn't work out.
• 42:44
  You have to have a higher calling.
• 42:47
  And so people have asked me, well, how could you possibly forgive the doctor and nurse who killed your daughter?
• 42:52
  And the answer to that question is I can't.
• 42:55
  We don't have a gospel if we can do that.
• 42:58
  That's impossible to forgive somebody that did that to your daughter.
• 43:02
  Only God can do it through you.
• 43:04
  And so God gave me the spirit of forgiveness when I was in the hospital three days after Grace died.
• 43:10
  Um that's how that happened.
• 43:14
  Uh why were you in the hospital, Scott?
• 43:17
  I developed uh respiratory issues where my oxygen saturation dropped to the in the 70s, and I couldn't uh you know, Cindy had to drive me.
• 43:29
  I just I was gasping for air, and um, so I had the you know the the poison in my system that how however they got this respiratory virus out to the public, I had it, and you know, ultimately um I thought the first day I was gonna die, and you know, that that hospital was interesting.
• 43:54
  I just interviewed on my own podcast, the nurse who saved it's called the nurse who saved my life, and she contacted me two months ago.
• 44:02
  I had not talked with her in four years.
• 44:04
  I always wondered about her, uh, because she was such a kind nurse.
• 44:08
  And uh interestingly, she re she contacted me because she's she woke up and she at that time, I didn't realize that she thought I was crazy.
• 44:18
  I was explaining things to her at that time about vaccinations and all of that, and she thought I was crazy, but she still treated me kindly.
• 44:25
  Uh so she separated the issue.
• 44:27
  And so, you know, unlike I unlike me with the the gay vet, you know, she separated the issue.
• 44:33
  She treated me kindly.
• 44:34
  And that hospital, believe it or not, you know, so she comes in the uh the um after the overnight, and she had a little pill cup, and she said, I'd like to go through the pill regimen with you.
• 44:46
  I said, Well, what do you have in there?
• 44:47
  You know, of course, I'm gun shy of anything in a hospital.
• 44:50
  My daughter just died three days ago, right?
• 44:52
  And she said, I have uh multivitamin, a probiotic probiotic probiotic, uh, vitamin E, vitamin D, and fish oil.
• 45:01
  And I said to her, I mean, these are this is an exact quote.
• 45:04
  I said, You gotta be shitting me.
• 45:06
  You guys don't believe in that stuff, and she said, Well, we do here, and um, and they they not only had though that combination of quote pills, end quote, uh, but they use budescenide.
• 45:24
  Um, they actually listened to me.
• 45:26
  They want they didn't just follow this COVID blinder thing, remdesivir ventilator.
• 45:32
  I mean, they listened to me, and you know, I they turned me around in 24 hours.
• 45:37
  Wow, God was not done with you.
• 45:40
  Yeah, so I mean, God used that.
• 45:42
  I mean, you know, God out already knew, you know, obviously he knew we were gonna have this interview today, but he knew we were gonna have a lawsuit.
• 45:49
  He knew I was gonna be outspoken, all these things he knew, and he had to break, he had to have make sure that I lived, and he had to break me in order to be able to do this.
• 46:00
  Wow.
• 46:01
  How are you making a living at that time?
• 46:05
  Yeah, that's a great question.
• 46:07
  I have uh have been self-employed.
• 46:10
  I have my own business for over 30 years now.
• 46:13
  I own a pond management company, and you know, this is another thing God did to prepare me.
• 46:18
  Uh, seven years ago, I was diagnosed with heart disease.
• 46:22
  And based on the diagnosis, it was, you know, they said, Oh, you you know, you have a 60% chance of dying in the first year.
• 46:30
  So I, you know, I started implementing a uh strategic plan to turn over the management of the business to my guys, and so that's what allows me to do all this.
• 46:39
  My guys run the business, and then the business has pays me, you know, so I've been able to self-fund all of this that we've been doing um because of the business being profitable and the guys being able to run it.
• 46:53
  So this has been full time for me.
• 46:56
  Um, and we have you know, financially I've been able to do it.
• 47:02
  So you already had financial independence whereas people in the health profession who realize these things and should realize them sooner than anybody else.
• 47:15
  That's correct.
• 47:16
  We're all tied down to having gone to medical school and gotten indebted, and having to work their way up in the system uh authoritarian system, most like being locked into being part of a hospital staff, things like or uh or an extensive uh healthcare facility staff.
• 47:38
  One of the end up being locked in, you're right on.
• 47:41
  Yeah, I think one of the secrets to life for young people is to find a way to make a living to understand how to do things that make you value, whether it's learning to be a businessman, or a private practicing psychiatrist, which is what I went into very knowingly that I needed to have an independent way of living, and um to be able to earn a living.
• 48:14
  I didn't know how that would be.
• 48:17
  I guess I probably imagined being the first director of the American Psychiatric Association or something like that.
• 48:25
  When in fact, I would have a target on my back from them.
• 48:29
  Um what I did have was the ability to do therapy, and that's been my source of independence over so many years, and we've built on that uh investing to keep our independence stronger.
• 48:48
  But um think about independence.
• 48:54
  Because it's it's a key to being able to build the life you want in the United States.
• 49:01
  I think more and more the the so-called blue-collar work where you go out and you learn a trade, uh licensed electrician, licensed plumber, um uh contractor, licensed psychiatrist, physician, yeah, licensed physician.
• 49:19
  Yeah, and learn learn I I especially I find the blue-collar work appealing because you skip all of the propaganda of college also.
• 49:30
  I think there's a yes route for human for for I think there's a route for men and women now through the trades that's never existed before in terms of finding and keeping that independence and actually being able to afford the kind of life we all want to create, uh, which includes ultimately owning a home and being able to care for a family.
• 49:58
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 49:59
  Um
• 50:00
  Um and I don't see that happening when you go to work for a huge corporation.
• 50:06
  We know what happens now.
• 50:08
  If you go to work for a huge corporation and something like COVID happens, then you get ordered uh on pain of being fired.
• 50:17
  You get ordered potentially to take a vaccine or to do something else that uh is in violation of your own moral code.
• 50:28
  The system, you know, Jesus said Satan is the prince of this world.
• 50:32
  So what does that mean?
• 50:33
  I spent a lot of time.
• 50:35
  I I lay it out in in my book about revelation.
• 50:39
  What God showed us in Revelation 13 is the two systems that the two beast systems that Satan rules the world in, which is the antichrist system and the false prophet system.
• 50:50
  So when you talk about independence, independence means getting out of the world systems, and the world systems are designed to tether us to them.
• 51:00
  You know, it starts with the public fool system, you know.
• 51:03
  So the the parents are both working chasing the American dream.
• 51:08
  So they send their uh kids to the public indoctrination service.
• 51:12
  They have to have that that's schools for the he's referring to schools, folks.
• 51:18
  You know, so then through 12 or preschool through 12.
• 51:23
  Well, they have to have 72 jabs just to attend, and then they're programmed eight eight hours a day.
• 51:31
  Um, and the main programming, you know, outside of lying about history and everything else, what they're programmed to do is to not take personal accountability, you know, they get doovers.
• 51:44
  Um, you know, they everybody graduates with a trophy, all this in it.
• 51:49
  It's so they it's not real.
• 51:52
  You know, when we grew up, you know, I'm in the last generation that grew up with choices and consequences in God's economy.
• 52:00
  There's choices and consequences.
• 52:02
  So part of being independent, independent is making choices and having those consequences.
• 52:08
  That's how you learn.
• 52:09
  That's right, accepting responsibility for whatever actions you've already taken and uh the results of them.
• 52:18
  That's correct.
• 52:19
  So it heals a lot of pain when someone actually accepts personal responsibility for whatever their moment, that moment of their life is what wherever they are in the current moment, because you aren't just you aren't just considering yourself to be this sad victim who's been just manipulated by the world.
• 52:46
  It's right on Ginger.
• 52:48
  Go ahead.
• 52:48
  Yeah.
• 52:50
  Yeah, yeah.
• 52:51
  So um yes, that there's uh there's a lot to be learned from being responsible and finding one's way in life in a way that enables you to make your own decisions, but you know, it it doesn't mean that life is always going to do what you want it to, and I know you've learned that in terrible ways with your loss of your daughter, and I think any of us who are as old as Peter and I are um have learned that in various ways too.
• 53:32
  And that's again where God comes in.
• 53:34
  Right.
• 53:35
  It doesn't always it doesn't always make sense, but uh you know you know, I keep reminding myself with Peter had a stroke in August.
• 53:44
  I think you knew that.
• 53:45
  Yeah, and I I keep reminding myself, and he reminds me often also, how often the Bible tells us not to fear, do not fear, and it I believe that may be the most frequently repeated phrase in the Bible, and that is increasingly meaningful to me at this point in my life.
• 54:13
  Uh having potentially almost lost my husband a couple of times now and so forth, lost others that I love, but especially my husband, and I just have to return to that and trust God, and that's really that that doesn't take away all the pain.
• 54:36
  I know you know that as much as anyone in this world, but there's a comfort there that I haven't found in any other way.
• 54:47
  That message is um, you know, what I'm gonna tell you next does not excuse what the doctor and nurse did to Grace at all.
• 54:56
  But when I shine the light 100% on me, um, Grace would be alive today if I would have never taken her to the hospital.
• 55:03
  So why did I take her to the hospital?
• 55:05
  Uh it's because of the fear, the fear propaganda, you know, and I knew better than that, you know, even though I did not know anything about COVID, I didn't wasn't aware of any of the medical, you know, I know God did not give me a spirit of fear, but the fear, you know, we were following the the less evil protocol of the FLCC, and uh that protocol said if oxygen drops below 94%, you know, we obediently bought the pulse oximeter, and you know, I didn't have any business even why did I buy a pulse oximeter?
• 55:39
  That's the dumbest thing I could have ever done if I wasn't motivated by fear.
• 55:44
  Why do I say it's dumb?
• 55:45
  Is that it's nothing wrong with owning a pulse oximeter, but I had no baseline.
• 55:49
  I did no research on it.
• 55:50
  I have no, you know, I'm just blindly following a protocol.
• 55:54
  You know, that's no different than blindly following a remdesivir protocol.
• 55:59
  Yeah, you know, you don't just measure oxygen.
• 56:01
  I mean, if I would have not had the spirit of fear, I would have researched, okay, what happens to people's oxygen when they get cold and flu, and we would have never taken grace to the hospital, right?
• 56:13
  So you know, that spirit of fear drives us to do things that are sinful every time.
• 56:18
  Yes.
• 56:19
  Now we're in our last few seconds, but I want to remind everyone we're actually in the season of joy because God really did come to comfort us all.
• 56:31
  We have to say goodbye.
• 56:32
  This is well, we've ended a couple of us.
• 56:34
  Yeah, thank you.
• 56:36
  Thank you, Scott.
• 56:37
  All right.
• 56:38
  Thanks.
• 56:38
  Thanks to both of you.
• 56:40
  Merry Christmas.
• 56:41
  All right, bye.