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NFL Week 8 DFS Takedown Breakdown | October 28, 2024 | DraftKings DFS Lineup Review and Analysis · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: Tyler Tamberline here aka Totag and Tambo back for another
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  Speaker 1: eight main slate over on DraftKings, talk about the winners,
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  Speaker 1: But first thoughts, just jumping into it for the Takedown
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  Speaker 1: Breakdown for Week eight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, tough week e for me, but the Nation did
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  Speaker 2: did good and that's the that's the glory of the game, right,
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  Speaker 2: the discord that because hey, if it's not myself, I'm
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  Speaker 2: any of the members in there. So and hey, week
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  Speaker 2: it's not done yet. There's still three hundre k up
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  Speaker 2: top tonight. Got closer showed on last night. But that's
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  Speaker 2: that's all right. I think there's a lot of lessons
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  Speaker 2: to we can kind of pull out of some of
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  Speaker 2: these things and these lineups that we review here and overall,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, tough, tough, tough Week eight. It's just tough
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  Speaker 2: to put it all together. But yeah, looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: to breaking it down here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to all the regulars. And as Kenny says,
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  Speaker 1: we're back on the ground boys, So this is what
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  Speaker 1: it is. We'll bring up the perfect lineup and start there.
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  Speaker 1: That'll sort of help us shape out how we talk
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  Speaker 1: about the slate. Obviously, Jalen hurts back to taking every
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  Speaker 1: one yard touchdown to the house. I think he took
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  Speaker 1: over as the second all time rush TD scorer in
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles history yesterday he tied it and then overtook
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  Speaker 1: the lead for second place. There a chen no Tyreek Hill.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that obviously. He was a very popular
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  Speaker 1: option and play yesterday Jacobs instead of the love side
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  Speaker 1: of things Ridley with no Hopkins there any longer, Tillman
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  Speaker 1: was the guy still keeps it rolling, almost won. Medo
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  Speaker 1: had a chance to get up there in the MILLI
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  Speaker 1: last week, comes back and does it again. Another great
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  Speaker 1: outing from him. Lad mcdonkey chock, mister McConkie got the
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  Speaker 1: job done, so he was not donkey chock. He ended
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  Speaker 1: up getting there results wise, at least. Kate Oughten talked
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  Speaker 1: about that a ton on the show yesterday. The highest
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  Speaker 1: by far I've ever seen optimal in our stuff over
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  Speaker 1: at Shibba Nation on the stone and he made people
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  Speaker 1: pay that wanted to fade that. James cook Away to
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  Speaker 1: get a piece of that game. And if you weren't
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  Speaker 1: on the Detroit Lions game, well, the Lions had the
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  Speaker 1: biggest team total and they came through in the first
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  Speaker 1: half by the way, covering their team total for the
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  Speaker 1: day and had a huge total on the slate. The
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  Speaker 1: Lions d though getting the job done. This optmal forty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Two needs two hundred and fifty four points and I
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  Speaker 1: should know two hundred and eleven point sixty six to
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  Speaker 1: win the twenty dollars million maker take it away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So first thing, the a change play. I know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of us were on that. That's kind of
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  Speaker 2: direct leverage right there in that same game. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I know, you pulled up the tidbits, you pulled up
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  Speaker 2: the stats right of when two was in there. Achane
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  Speaker 2: actually has averaged what like twenty four DraftKings points something
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  Speaker 2: like that, So he pretty much basically hit his average
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  Speaker 2: right when when two was under center, which is absolutely
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  Speaker 2: crazy to see there. The James Cook play at seven
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  Speaker 2: K you could have got there. The reason being is
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  Speaker 2: who else was seven k that you could have played there?
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  Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill.
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people combo packed right Achane
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  Speaker 2: and Tyreek Kell because they were under price for two
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  Speaker 2: under center in that game environment. But I mean if
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  Speaker 2: you played Tyrek Kell, you probably still win the Millie
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  Speaker 2: with a lineup like that. But I think the overall
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  Speaker 2: lesson there is just leverage there in that game that
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  Speaker 2: no one's going to And hey, Seattle, you can always
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  Speaker 2: play running backs against Seattle right, So I think that
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  Speaker 2: makes no sense to Kate out and play best playing
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  Speaker 2: the slate by far. That's why he was forty percent owned.
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  Speaker 2: People were trying to argue it. I mean, if they
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  Speaker 2: just watched the game last week when Godwin got hurt,
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  Speaker 2: when Evans got hurt. Every single play Baker looked right
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  Speaker 2: at Kateaden threw the ball every single time. Now he's
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  Speaker 2: thirty five hundred, I mean he should have been sixty
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  Speaker 2: five seven k and people still would have played him
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  Speaker 2: in this spot.
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  Speaker 3: So people can argue that play all they want. Like
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  Speaker 3: you said, the.
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  Speaker 2: Optimal for a tight end to be twenty five percent
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  Speaker 2: of optimal simulations on our stuff over there, you just
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  Speaker 2: don't see that from the tight end position. Lad McConkie
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  Speaker 2: flop leg right in that in that game, right mcdonkey
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  Speaker 2: chalk last week. McConkie did get there late with the
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  Speaker 2: big bomb. He was having a good game. But still,
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  Speaker 2: I think the overall arching theme of this is everybody.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people were paying up at some of
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  Speaker 2: those receiver spots right or full punting and kind of
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  Speaker 2: living in that mid tier and then spending some salary
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  Speaker 2: more on the running backs. I think is interesting here
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  Speaker 2: and then yeah, the Jalen Hurts push push, I mean
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  Speaker 2: three one yard touchdowns. Rest in peace to Saquon Barkley
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  Speaker 2: owners rights. He ate all their lunch there. But I
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  Speaker 2: mean I still think he can pull some plays out here.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, right, the leverage off the love stacks
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  Speaker 2: and the passing stacks in that Jacksonville game where with
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  Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs also middled in between a lot of that
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  Speaker 2: running back chalk right there too is always a good
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  Speaker 2: way to play it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know go collect was talking
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  Speaker 1: about here too. Cook was actually in a great matchup
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  Speaker 1: if you look at it. I think there was some
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  Speaker 1: late swap eligibility there too if you went and looked
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  Speaker 1: at it, but it was Yeah. A d plus was
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  Speaker 1: the Seahawks rush defense. And you know there was an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity for that game in the afternoon to have some
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  Speaker 1: back and forth. I know there was weather involved as well.
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  Speaker 1: I think anybody that was in that range was mostly
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  Speaker 1: going up to Kenneth Walker, but a lot of guys
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  Speaker 1: were on JK. Dobbins at sixty nine hundred in that
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  Speaker 1: same time slot. For one hundred bucks more, you could
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  Speaker 1: get over to James Cook. A lot of guys were on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, myself included on the Javante Williams at six k.
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  Speaker 1: You could have went up a thousand and then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you would have to take the Broncos D down one
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  Speaker 1: thousand bucks to make the Javante Broncos combo. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to see. In the afternoon, I guess it would
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  Speaker 1: have been probably the Bears D. Hoping that comes back.
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  Speaker 1: You still would have got thirty four points out of
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  Speaker 1: the pit. Out of the swap to James Cook Bears
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  Speaker 1: D versus playing the Broncos D and Javonte Williams, that
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  Speaker 1: would have been a huge.
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  Speaker 3: Booststall I would have been JK. Dobbins, right, It would
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  Speaker 3: have been JK. Dobbins right there in the flex at
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  Speaker 3: sixty nine hundred, you could have swapped to James Cook.
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  Speaker 1: Right, That's what I say if you had the one
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  Speaker 1: hundred bucks. But the exact swap I know many were
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  Speaker 1: looking for, and I referenced it on the show yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: was many would have been sitting on Javonte Williams and
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  Speaker 1: Broncos D. That was a super popular pairing. Then if
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have the nuts out of the morning, you
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  Speaker 1: were probably thinking about how you had to swap, so
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  Speaker 1: that would have been aw there that you could have
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  Speaker 1: got to to get over to James Cook, and I
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  Speaker 1: thought that was somewhat interesting. Calvin Ridley, another guy just
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  Speaker 1: went back and looked at the stone popped. Josh Jacobs popped.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about if you're not playing Tyreek to be
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  Speaker 1: on a Chan, so a lot of this made sense.
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  Speaker 1: Tillman Aughton was just through the roof. Obviously, if you
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  Speaker 1: didn't land on the common defenses there, you can get
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  Speaker 1: to the lions. So the other point you made is
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  Speaker 1: if you did play Tyreek here. I thought a Chan
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  Speaker 1: and Tyreek were fine together yesterday even if you weren't
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  Speaker 1: on Tua and you still would have got thirteen points,
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  Speaker 1: you still would have won the Millie with having him there.
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  Speaker 1: So just an example where you could still get away
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  Speaker 1: with certain things as long as you have some of
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  Speaker 1: these other outliers. And then lastly, yeah, the stuff with
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  Speaker 1: a Chan being back with Tua. The exact average over
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  Speaker 1: the eight game sample or nine game sample size was
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  Speaker 1: twenty six point eight and he hit twenty six point
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  Speaker 1: seven yeh DK points, So just goes to show like
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty set up there, that's how they get down
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  Speaker 1: when he's back in there, So I think that's a alter.
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  Speaker 3: He got voltered too by most or twice, right.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, he had other opportunities. I'm gonna talk about that.
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• 9:00
  Speaker 1: and then we'll go through the Millimaker winners. But we
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  Speaker 1: saw Tillman have another really good week as a cheap option,
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  Speaker 1: really popped in the in the optimal still almost eight
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  Speaker 1: percent of the time had a good projection as good
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  Speaker 1: as Elijah Moore, not that far behind Jerry Judy, so
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  Speaker 1: he was an option obviously. In Djoku had a big day.
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  Speaker 1: He was popping quite a bit there. He was another
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  Speaker 1: one that I saw. Derek Henry was down versus a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the running backs and he did not end
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  Speaker 1: up coming through or was not needed for a week
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  Speaker 1: for once. Calvin Ridley another guy. If you've see anymore,
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  Speaker 1: just let me know. But Calvin Ridley was another guy
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  Speaker 1: decent projection in here and Ceiling compared to some of
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  Speaker 1: the other options there.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought that was right there in the same game.
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  Speaker 2: Gibbs, Yeah, with that second Therey stack, that would have
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  Speaker 2: been nice, right, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Seventy four hundred, which is a direct pivot right off
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  Speaker 3: of Breise Hall.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And I mean it's right there, highlighted in blue
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  Speaker 2: on the stone, and obviously people can see right, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is results oriented. I mean, this hasn't been updated
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  Speaker 2: since yesterday, and not every player is highlighted, right. There's
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  Speaker 2: reasons these players are highlighted and not. And I mean
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  Speaker 2: we're just trying to do the best we can to
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  Speaker 2: break down the tools and show how some of these lineups,
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  Speaker 2: even the perfect lineup right that scored fifty points more
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  Speaker 2: or forty points more than what was needed to win
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  Speaker 2: the biggest tournament on DraftKings yesterday, how you could have
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  Speaker 2: got there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you know, Mixon was pretty obvious. We
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  Speaker 1: knew that one going into yesterday. He had the ownership
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  Speaker 1: though to go with it. But just another note like this,
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  Speaker 1: if you were setting up we said this was a
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  Speaker 1: pretty easy stack. It wasn't that they were super optimal,
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  Speaker 1: but if you were getting this game as a way
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  Speaker 1: to get different. Josh Jacobs was, you know, sixty six
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  Speaker 1: hundred over here, really good projection, strong ceiling, still showing
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  Speaker 1: pretty optimal. And then Lawrence Brian Thomas, Evan Ingram like
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  Speaker 1: I saw some of those stacks up there in the
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  Speaker 1: winning tournaments that we saw, and we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: to some of them here shortly. This was another super
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  Speaker 1: interesting one. You look at this, you know, purple as
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  Speaker 1: the target Kyler Marvin McBride, and then we know Chen
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  Speaker 1: was by far the biggest pos the leverage that we
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  Speaker 1: had over there. That would have been a nice setup.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that actually did well. Let me just see
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  Speaker 1: if I can find it here. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: in the I think it was in the three thirty
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  Speaker 1: three Wildcat that might have won it actually was a
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  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, Marvin Harrison train McBride with an h Chan
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  Speaker 1: and then fill in the pieces. But just to see
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  Speaker 1: those things as you're looking for them. The purple is
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  Speaker 1: a target game. You go down there and find it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the way you can do it. The blue is
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  Speaker 1: high upside. We want big upside in these tournaments. Ceilings,
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  Speaker 1: those guys all big ceilings. And then a Chan would
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  Speaker 1: have been a pivot off of, you know, leverage within
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  Speaker 1: its own team to go to use a running back spot.
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  Speaker 1: Even though he had ownership, it was not as much
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  Speaker 1: as Tyreek, and instead of Tyreek at seven K, you
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  Speaker 1: use the sixty eight hundred dollars Marvin Harrison on the
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  Speaker 1: opposite side, who had a big day. So that was
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: just another thing to look at there, Brees Saw. I
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: want to talk about him for a second. I think
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: you mentioned him a little bit in the the previewer
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was pre show, but just noting that he
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  Speaker 1: was a guy that had huge positive leverage. Just a
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  Speaker 1: horrible outcome of results. I think they had two or
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  Speaker 1: three one yard touchdowns and.
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  Speaker 3: Took one, right, Like, yeah, just miserable run out there.
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  Speaker 2: I know people are tilted in the discord and it's annoying, right,
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  Speaker 2: but your point, right, he still got his opportunities and
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  Speaker 2: then just didn't cash in, and then that's when you
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  Speaker 2: see the vultures come in.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously happened with It happened with eight Chan.
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  Speaker 2: It happens all day, right, it happens to all these
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  Speaker 2: at least they get their opportunities. It's just that's the
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  Speaker 2: nature of the game, right. Sometimes the runout just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: go your way, and that's just the variance that's involved,
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  Speaker 2: which is unfortunate. But he definitely had his opportunities to
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  Speaker 2: get there. He was definitely great play. Hence the ownership,
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  Speaker 2: hence the spot. I mean you look at the rush
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  Speaker 2: defense right there, see plus right, not great, not horrible,
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  Speaker 2: but not good for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So one thing I want to go back and talk
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: about too, is because people sometimes wondered this, like, we
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: also put the stack ranking, which is from our stack rankings,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not just who's the best stack, because obviously
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: when sites do that, oftentimes you'll see it's the you know,
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown and Davonte Smith because they all
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  Speaker 1: project for a high trio. But really that's not as
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: valuable as let's like a Burrow Chase Yoshi vas once
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  Speaker 1: Higgins is ruled out, even though it costs less their
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  Speaker 1: point per dollars and said, it factors a lot more.
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  Speaker 1: In so even though this is not the highest optimal
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  Speaker 1: rates you're gonna find on the slate, when you combine
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  Speaker 1: it with the stack ranking, this is where something like
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  Speaker 1: a Winston, Cedric Tillman and Ndjoku becomes valuable. You may
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  Speaker 1: have got it wrong by the run back and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying to incorporate and put it all together.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're trying to show off in ways that
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  Speaker 1: you can do it with the Jags not far behind
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  Speaker 1: you get to Lawrence, and that the Cardinals not that
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  Speaker 1: far behind seven point twenty five. They were still a
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  Speaker 1: high end. They were on the opposite side, and you
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  Speaker 1: actually had pretty good spots in there with Marvin Harrison,
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  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and Trey McBride. So just got to look
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  Speaker 1: at some of the other factors that you can.
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  Speaker 3: Do that Lawrence Stack actually that Lawrence set up that
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  Speaker 3: you just went through. Just that that's what won the Wildcat. Yeah, Lawrence, Lawrence,
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  Speaker 3: Thomas Ingram right there, all highlighted in blue, all low owned,
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  Speaker 3: with Josh Jacobs on the run back, I mean, six percent,
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  Speaker 3: eight percent and eleven percent, and you can just play
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  Speaker 3: whatever chalk you want around it.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what we were talking about with Kate Auten,
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  Speaker 1: even though we knew he was gonna be way up
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  Speaker 1: there in ownership and maybe higher in the high stakes.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we still had him just as a knockout play.
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  Speaker 1: So I warned everybody yesterday don't complain if this guy
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  Speaker 1: gets there and gets the job done. Like this is
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  Speaker 1: stuff you just this is where I talk about it
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  Speaker 1: all the time. But you can almost ignore some of
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  Speaker 1: this when it's you know, something like a Onesie tight
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  Speaker 1: end position at thirty five hundred. You could play two
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  Speaker 1: tight ends if you wanted to. Obviously, yesday National tight
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  Speaker 1: End Day. I made the joke if you you know
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  Speaker 1: to this first Milli Maker winner, and we'll talk about
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: a couple of the guys up here. Nickelback for Life,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: certainly a shout out to him, Hishbu really good player,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: top of the line. We'll talk about him. But let's
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: start with Rick one twenty four. I saw you posted
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: it out on x SO shut out to Rick had
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: a big week a couple of weeks ago, I think
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: it was for like twenty k and now followed it
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: up with the absolute ultimate shipper, the million maker up
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: tok getting the job done for a million bucks. Needs
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: here's the lineup. Give me your thoughts on this one.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I already hit on the James Cook play.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I think that that's a really good play, and then
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: paired him with the Buffalo defense right the weather plays
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: in there, but James Cook in this tournament, what Breshall
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: came in I think pushing thirty percent, give or take
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: at three hundred dollars more. And then so he double
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: leveraged the breassee Haall situation in this game. Granted he
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: did use Bijon with the Kyatton to middle that ownership
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: down a little bit, right, thirty five percent, and then
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: he plays a eight percent Bijon Robinson who's one hundred
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: dollars cheaper than Breishall, who's pushing thirty percent, and then
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: double leverages the breast Hall with the James Cook Right.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: So, I think that's super sharp that that play right there.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Now, whether he meant to do that or not, I'm
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: assuming he probably had some sort of thought over Breesaw there.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: The Jummar Chase play typically like to your point, right,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I'm playing Jamar Chase with Joe Burrow. It just so
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: happened that at eighty five hundred and twenty was enough
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: because the other wide receivers really didn't do much. So
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: it was just a nature of the runout of the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: of the slate.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: But I mean Tyreek Hill for fifteen hundred dollars cheaper, right,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: is significantly better play in my opinion than a Jim
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Mar Chase naked right, not even part of a game
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: stack or anything. Could he do it?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But usually it's a Joe Burrow who's underpriced or
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: not underpriced. But Joe Burrow, who's going to sling the
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: ball forty times right, usually is going to come along
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: with a guy like Jamar Chase. The lad McConkie donkey
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: chalk there, flop leg, you could have made sense, right,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: they're still down, They're still.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Chalk in the twin dollar really maker in the end
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: of it all too. That's the other thing.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was projected to be chalk, but it's also
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: flop leg from last week, right, he was what thirty
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: percent or something like that last week. And I mean
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: you still have a deep plus pass defense for the
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Saints over if you go back to the Stone and
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: check out the Saints deep plus pass defense, He's fifty
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: one hundred. Kind of in that mid tier right of
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: wide receivers where people were going up to the Jamar
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Chases of the world, or the Tyreek Hill not really
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: miss not really going in that mid tier range, or
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: they were going down to those Campa Bay guys right,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the Cedric Tillmans, those kind of guys that mid tier
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: really got forgotten about outside of Jalen Waddle, who also
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: obviously is a pivot right there with Lam McConkie, right,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle fifty four hundred. Another thing too, is no
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Miami pieces. I know Miami pieces Achan got there and stuff,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: but Miami pieces were underpriced and hence the ownership going in.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: So just being able to say screw it, I'm not
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: gonna fade that wasn't something I did yesterday. I wanted
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: at least one of Achan or Tyreek Hill on all
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: my teams personally, but he's got leverage built in if
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Waddle doesn't get there. Right, Maybe it's a guy in
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the same range with McConkie that outscored him. If a
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Chan doesn't get there, maybe it's because the guy's slightly
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: more expensive, right that are also pivots off the other
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: chalky guys get there.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: So I think.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Overall, there's a lot of plays in here, and you
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: can get away with thirty five percent on Kate Atten
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: when you when you secondary stack it with a guy
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: like Bijon. Bijon gets done on the ground and middles
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: that ownership down down a lot. So I think you
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: can pull some plays from here quite often. And then
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: the Bonnicks play right fifty six hundred. He could have
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: went justin Herbert right to pair with mconkey, But many
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: people are trying to make bo Nicks work and play
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the roulette right. But he's also a pivot. A naked
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Bonnicks is also a pivot off with Javonte Williams. And
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: if Javonte Williams isn't getting there, maybe it's Bonnicks stealing
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: his launch on the ground right at fifty six hundred,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: so four hundred dollars cheaper than Javonte.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot of good things you
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: can pull from this.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Herbert costs them the Millie twenty four points
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and second versus twenty nine point seventy six. So that's,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you know, one of those things. The other thing is
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you never know the rules that he's setting, like what
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: like we talked about this today with Showdown. People oftentimes
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: just chalk it up and say, oh, it sucks. I
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: did all this stuff right, but I didn't get there. Well,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: maybe you ruled yourself out. Like let's say, for example,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you know he was using a certain price point here,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have got to it. Like if he's at
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: forty nine to five up to fifty K, he's not
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: gonna get a Chan for Hubbard, even though regardless of
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: him being a runback to b Nicks and anything else.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I think this is you know, don't I just think
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: this is unnecessary. But it's not commenting against his lineup.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: He obviously knows what he's doing. He's had success recently.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: It's not that I'm saying. Others I think would look
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: at this lineup and say, why is if there's no
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Miami piece, why not if he's not playing Tyreek, why
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: not throw in a Chan and the Broncos D and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: you got Bonix with the Broncos D for seven. You know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: it's only two points less there, but you pick up
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: all those eight Chan points you didn't have, Tyreek, you
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: would have smashed you for that's you know, ifs and butts.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: That's after the fact he already won the Millie. So again, congrats.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: It's just saying you remember, if he was just getting
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a Chan and leaving this defense, he may have had
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it set for forty nine to five plus and that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: lineup wouldn't work because that leaving six hundred on the table.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So that just wouldn't go into his optimizer if he's
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: using one. But just to note it, like that's kind
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of other little things that you do have to look at.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: The chase thing is just another thing to harp on
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: in general. Obviously this week we had unlimited values, so
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I get it, you just land on the spot. There's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: no Higgins. Why not just play him as the value
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: instead of somebody else. But it just proves the point.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't prove the point that it can't be on
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the winner. I've never said that either. That's like a
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: situational thing like this that I'll get to further to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: in a second. But it does prove the point that
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, if Jamar has a slate breaking game at
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: eighty five hundred, you want like thirty, you know, thirty
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: plus probably in a million. Maker again didn't need it
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: yesterday because of how it but again I'll go to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that in one second. But that's gonna be a lot
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: better with thirty for a guy. It's probably another touchdown
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that really helps a guy like Burrow if he has
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: another touchdown, extra yards, the bonus all of that that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: more lineups of Jamar and Burrow are gonna shake out
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: into these winning circles that you see now. The point
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I'm making is that even though he got there, it's
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: just a slate with unlimited value. You need it the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: bon Nix thirty pointer. You needed the James Cook two
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: percent thirty one pointer. You needed the Lad McConkie three
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: percent thirty two pointer. You needed the back to back
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: thirty three hundred dollars Tillman to get to almost thirty points,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and then you needed some other stuff just to go
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: your way to make it enough to happen. You always
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: need something that's the obvious. I do this for a living.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not you know, just saying state in the obvious,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that it's that's the point of the Jamar
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Chase topic, where if he actually has a thirty to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: thirty five pointer, it's probably Joe Burrow lineups that ended
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: up finding their way to the top because all this
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: stuff still got there in the other way shape or
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: form a Burrow lineup with a chan another cheap d
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that put up sixteen or something could be there, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: then one other drop down that you can find it
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: somewhere else would have been in the mix to make
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it happen. So it's just little things like that that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you have to think about when you're building out. But
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: this one got the job done. Congrats to Rick one
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: two three, two four. But let's talk about Nickelback for life.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I think this is a you know, really sharp player,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: good dude, and he crushed it here. He got the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: job done with two eleven six, one hundred thousand. I
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: always wonder what the difference in that feeling is, like,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you know, coming in second nine hundred k short by
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: point five. But talk talk to the people about his
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: lineup needs. I think you like the setup of this one.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the setup of this one.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And we kind of just talked about a little bit
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: on the stone right the Herbert stack with with McConkey
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: D plus attacking that D plus rating right for the Saints.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: And then on the flip side, the Chargers have an
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: a for pass defense.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: But but to be right where if you're looking for
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: a run back, is it gonna be Chris Olave Bob
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: means tipped in scantling with fricking Spencer Rattler throwing the ball,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: or is it gonna be Alvin Kamara, who you know
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: is gonna be heavily involved. So I like that run
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: back there with with with the Herbert stacks, the jamayor
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Gibbs play right again saying all the same kind of
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: points there. If you're not on any of that game
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the Lions had the highest team total of the game
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: yesterday or of the slate yesterday, you really weren't stacking
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: up the Jared Goff side and stuff like that attack
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: attack with Jamior Gibbs right, who's also pivot off of that.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: So I like that play Jamar Chase. We already hit
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: on that enough there. The Kate Auton kind of just
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: filed so overall, I like the set up here. I
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: think the way he used two tight ends here was unique.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people using two tight ends
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: yesterday were if they were spending up to that six
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: k range, they were going to a guy like probably
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: brock Bowers, right, So going on the other side of
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the brock Bowers chalk not chalk, but I mean brock
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Bowers came in. He was projected to be twelve to
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: fifteen maybe even twenty percent owned. He came in obviously
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: a little less than that, but you already knew Kelsey
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: one hundred dollars cheaper, gonna be cheaper or gonna be
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: lower owned in a two tight ends setup like your building.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: So I thought that was good.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And then the Houston defense, if I remember correctly, the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Chargers defense were projected to be super chalky for two
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars more expensive than that. And then it's also
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: a pivot off some I know people were trying to
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: go back to Anthony Richardson, Donnie Mitch, Josh downs that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: side of the game. So if you're not being on
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that side, you're not playing Joe Mixon because you're going
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to Jamior Gibbs, right, going to Alvin Kamara. A lot
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: of Houston d are going to be probably paired with
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Joe Mixon, who obviously would have scored more and he
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: probably would have won the MILLI right with Joe Mixon
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: in the in the Houston defense there. But overall, I
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: just like the set up. I think he did it differently,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: and he just leveraged a lot of plays with still
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: playing the good plays right the Jamar Chase, the Cedric Tillman,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: who's chalking, the Kate Aughton.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: He built it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Around obviously a lot of low owned plays and that's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: hence the ninety one percent ownership right, so you can
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: still play good plays and just leverage building leverage right
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: right around.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: It is kind of what I liked with this setup.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so six guys under five percent in this lineup right,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and even if projections, most ownership projections had Lad mcconkee
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: much higher, essentially he got he was getting five guys
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: on there, like Herbert was just never getting to over
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: five percent. Kamara no chance with all the running back plays,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: even Gibbs Man, it was gonna be close. But I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: mean I didn't think even with the late steam he
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: would cross five. I think we talked about it yesterday
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: on the show. What what did we have here? We
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: had them actually higher, so maybe that was the case.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Let me let me just see here one other thing,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: lad Kelsey for sure going to be lower and then Houston.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's kind of the key is
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you're building that in. And I just want to note
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that too, because that's another thing. If you go to
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: ship at Nation to ship Demizer and for members out there,
• 26:31
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• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the bracketed ownership to make sure you're getting you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: four to five guys. When you use our presets, you're
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: getting a guaranteed certain amount of one, two seven guys underneath,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: but you're getting at least three under ten percent. So
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: using these settings with bracketed ownership are a key way
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to get the job done. So more on that in
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the future, but I'll keep it here so I don't
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: know how much he would want to discuss that, but
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: nickelback for life. Really good dude, congrats him. Just awesome
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: lineup like you said, the Herbert lab McConkie, Alvin Kamara
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: with the three men after that, just kind of filling
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: it out with projections, like I said, when it just
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: fits in Gibbs Chase. I get it, Like Tilman and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Atten were the good chalk plays. Kelsey going to the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: two tight end versus the three running back, which was
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: very popular, going to the Houston d to get some
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: leverage there, just a different spot. So yeah, great lineup overall.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Hishwu another great.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Play thing too. And the one more thing on the
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Kelsey flex right, who else was six k in the
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: afternoon window, right, Javonte Williams. So that's just another leverage
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: situation right there, right, Javonte Brock powers a lot of
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: guys right there, right, So.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely over the Javonte spot, using him and not
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: having the money to get to Hunt or anything like that,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and just avoiding the three running back certainly another way
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to get different. Hishwu also had a justin Herbert lineup,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: but a little bit different. Now I want to talk
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: about this one because the setup was kind of unique.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: But had Herbert, McConkie, Dobbins, no runback, Gibbs. A Chan
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: so got a piece of that game that we talked about.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: No Tyreek, So let's play a Chan just has the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: money to fit Chase. We already had that deep conversation
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: chalk chalk, that's fine, got to put some of that
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: in there, and then even the chalk defense, but still one, two, three,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: three guys under five percent, so plenty of leverage. And
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: then after that kind of got away with it. But
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: again still sixth place, not first, so obviously not all
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the way there. But thoughts on this one needs anything
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: different that you see. I really like this setup of
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: this build as well.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like this setup because he's going in
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Herbert right, who's i mean underpriced for what his talent
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: could be against a bad defense for passing right, But
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: you're you're saying Herbert and McConkie get it done through
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the air and then also be involved right in the
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: passing game. But then hey they get you down there
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Dobbins runs it in.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: It's also a different way to play a chalk here, Dobbins,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: who came in probably under what he was projected at.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I know he was projected to be pretty popular at
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: sixty nine hundred there, so just a different way to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: play Dobbins.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And then you kind of just fill it out.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: But not only that, I mean going up to a
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: chain instead of Javonte Williams right, who you could have
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: dropped down to and paired with the Denver d. I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: just think overall it's a great build and a lot
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: of the same points that I mentioned with the with
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the other Herbert stack. But I think parent Dobbins, so
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: many people are too scared or are scared to pair
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: running backs right with their stack. Obviously it doesn't work
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: with every team, but in Ship Demizer we also have
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: that setting. You can go buy team right to allow
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: running backs into your stack with a guy like Dobbins
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: in a situation like that when your quarterback is fifty
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: four hundred, I think it does make some sense and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: it's a different way to play.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: JK. Dobbins.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things again if you're a member
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: or not, just to show how this optimizer is built
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: out to give you a chance to ship. Like we
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: talk about the optimizer designed to help you ship, hence
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the name ship Demizer. You can turn this off this setting,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it's under team stacks. Go here, turn off running backs
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and just make it so you say, Okay, I can
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: see Kyler and Connor getting there. If you like Cousin
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and Bijon, I can see that I didn't want any
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Lamar and Derrick Henry yesterday, So I just turned that off.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I explained that on the show. Neither got there, by
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the way, but I mean, just to me, it wasn't
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a good play. So to each their own. This is
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: another spot if you don't like you know, usually again,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I think it kind of kind of got there a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: little bit yesterday, but usually it's James Cook's stealing from
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Josh Allen stealing from him. The same
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: thing would go when you get down to Philly. Maybe
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: you leave that turned off. It's going to be yesterday
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: with Hurts getting three of them or Barkley having his
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: big day like the week before. But you can turn
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: on the ones that you're comfortable with once you've got
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: got your stack set up and everything there, and do
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: it that way. You can also show who you want
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to be your naked quarterbacks. If you were like, look,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: you said, yeah, bon Nick's definitely gonna be fine with
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: having him as a naked quarterback yesterday because of the setup.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: That's fine. Roll with him, maybe, Lamar you turn on
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: as well, certain ones like that. It's the little things
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that you can do inside ship de Miser to make
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: it happen. But yeah, this lineup certainly another good one.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I think two things I want to talk about quick
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: rants was one, whoever you won, if it only had
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: five hundred K, that just that makes perfect sense. So
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you take a million down to five hundred. You space
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: this out a little bit. Right now, sixth is ten k.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: You got it for eighth, but it's seven and a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: million up top, so the math is still saying the same,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: super top heavy as we know. And then sixberg one
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: wouldn't take anybody on your never again list. I think,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I know people exaggerate this and maybe you're joking whatever,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: but some out there probably think, like this, probably the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: worst thing that you can do. Floplag is a real thing.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Look at the never again Lad mcconkey's from the two
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Games slate when he was like sixty percent and then
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: he comes back and that's actually what made his ownership projection.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: You know, we thought it would still stay high, it
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: end up going lower than it was. That's just an example.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But Javonte Williams had McLoughlin's score, he had bo Nicks
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: takeaway touchdowns, he had opportunities. It just didn't happen. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: it happens all the time. Needs to another thing. I'm
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: always a realist about this, as much as I get
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: tilted about certain things too. A lot of guys get
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: their chance. Man, they get it like they give him
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: their shot. Hunt gets a shot, he doesn't jam it in.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You have one job, you jam it in, and if
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you don't, don't be surprised if the next man up
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: has taken it from you.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: So you got to look at an have another ad
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: on that too.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: So if I told you, going into the slate against
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Carolina's defense, Javonte Williams was guaranteed seventeen touches and five
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: plus targets through the air, you would have played him.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: He got seventeen touches. He got five targets yesterday against
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Carolina's defense. So it's not I mean the results.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Did he get there?
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not, But did he have the opportunities in a
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: smash spot. Absolutely hence the ownership. So it was still
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: a good play. And sometimes, hey, that's the nature of
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the game we play, right, Good players don't always get there.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: If they did, everybody would have a much better chance
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: to win every week. Right, So he had the opportunities.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: If you guaranteed me fifteen plus touches and five plus
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: targets through the air.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I would have probably locked in Jamontay Williams yesterday, to
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: be honest at six k.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how many people were, you know, never again Josh
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Jacobs because of the stuff with him recently? Right for that?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: How many people you know were let's say, Jalen Hurts.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not paying up for quarterback anymore. It looks like
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it's all Barkley now. I'm never gonna use Jalen Hurts again.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: You just don't need expensive quarterbacks. I talk about it
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: It's possible, but you know, got to pick talk week
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: two weeks ago, right, two weeks or three weeks ago, Chalk,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Kelvin whit Rially week, never again, Calvin Ridley.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: So it's just like, if you have those I get
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: the reasoning right. Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Is it tilting to lose money on a play who
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: was projected to be amazing right and absolutely go out
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: there and smash for thirty points? Yeah, it's very tilting, right.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't want a single dime yesterday in mainslate, but
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: it's not I still have thought and processing to all
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: my lineups. I liked where I went, I built them
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: accordingly and it just didn't work out right, So just
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: rephrasing that that kind of mindset is just that's that's
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the point of the show, to help create a better process, right.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like our guy, I'll bring Shalou back up
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: in a second. Can't say never, but you know, shut
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: their guy Stephen Nabors in the gear. My man is
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: going out today. I think Hoop's getting it done, So
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: congrats to you. I'll win in the new gear from
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Shipping Nation. But he said, need some serious reflection. That's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: really what this is all about. There's no real rhyme
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: or reason. We have a bit of a structure to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: how we do the show. You guys can always leave
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: a comment after it's done or whatever. I know we
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: do this live, but you can leave a comment if
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: there's other stuff he want us to talk about. And
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: see have some more big news coming soon on stuff
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: we're working on. But just to note, you know, that's
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: that's the whole point. It's all we're just here to reflect.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: And then Shlou bringing him back up. He kind of
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: had my week yesterday. I know, Shaloub, you were posting
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: in the discord about you always love when you post
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: there your feedback, you're serious about it, and even when
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: you're tilting it's funny. But he had like a chance
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: in the million maker, a realistic shot and just you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: one guy here, one guy there, which on main slates
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: is tougher to say than on Showdown and Showdown a
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: lot of people have if I just did this one swap,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you're good, Like that's easy, because it's not easy. It's
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: just saying it's a one game slate, you're always gonna
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: have one v ones and two v twos, and if
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: this and then that on main slates, especially a thirteen gamer,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I think he was one swap away, like a one
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: v one at Flex where he could have done something
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and it would have given him a realistic shot at
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the top. But yeah, we just had this discussion and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: it's just a prime example of what we talk about.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: It's a business. It's a sport, it's a business, it's
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: a game. They have their opportunity, they get a crack
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: at it. The only people that get away with sucking
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and making mistakes a lot and get to come back
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: out and do it the next week. In the NFL
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: is coaches, So a lot lots of coaches, they're guaranteed contracts.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: They get to make a lot of mistakes and even
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: worse mistakes, and somehow still have a job when they
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: wake up on Monday. But as far as the players go,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of the times it is, hey, here's your shot.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Your job is to jam it in. I don't care
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: if the defense knows. You know that, you know that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: they know that they know. One of those situations, your
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: job is still to score the touchdown. That's what you're
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: paid to do. If you don't do it, you might
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: not get a shot the next time. But we got
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: a good look at it yesterday with a lot of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: these running backs. Going back, just one other thing, the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Megamilly yesterday, I want to give a shout out to
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: our guy Tom Brady is gray excellent player. We talk
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: about him all the time, but he's also a member
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: over at Shipping Nation, and he sent a message very
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: early in the morning to the discord. I love this one.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: People were going back to it and bringing it back
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: up later in the day. He said, just a heads up,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: this slate is going to hurt, and sure enough it did.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of situational stuff. The bree saw
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the Tyreek kill all that stuff that did not work out.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: The slate did hurt, but he found a way to
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: make a little bit of money here. I'm not sure
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: how he did overall in his day, you know, the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: stakes that he plays and whatnot, but still had a
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: nice run at it with this lineup. So we'll start
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: with this and we'll move up the board. My boy
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Fanta Sin back in the mix, almost another million maker,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about Alex two zeros zeor zero
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: one about his winning lineup. But let's talk about this
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: one first. Our guy Tom Brady is gray. He said
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the slate would hurt nids, but this is the lineup
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: he came up with that I saw did the best.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: What's your thoughts?
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I like the setup right, the tu Chan Tyreek right.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: A lot of people were playing Chan and Tyreek together,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: just as the Como pack which I thought was also
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: which was good. But just adding toole On there right,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: who was a pivot off of Cal Williams right, who
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: was projected to be pretty popular in that range at
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: six k right. Also Kirk Cousins right, Kyler Murray, I
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: think that adding to him into the stack, who obviously
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: these stakes these ownerships are inflated, right because it's six
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: hundred thre four entries versus a large field and obviously
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: some of the sharpest players in the world right playing
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: playing the megas.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: So I think that was good. The JK.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Dobbins Chargers defense, I know that was a good combo
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and I like that pairing more for a tournament size
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: like this versus the large field with the projected ownership
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: that was coming in at and then just building the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: good plays plays around it. Another combo pack here, Campbell
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that we talk about all the time, right, the Cedric
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Tillman and Najoku, right, just combo packing those two guys
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: together for cheaper than.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: What Jamar Chase was, right. Jamar Chase was eighty five hundred,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Cedric Tillman, Najoku eighty four hundred right for the combo pack,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: and they literally have nobody there.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: You know, Jameis Winston is just gonna chuck the ball.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: So I thought that that was a pretty sharp move there.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, overall, I mean a good build. For sure,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: didn't get all the way there, but hopefully he still
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: had a pretty good Sunday.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something else to think about as you go throughout
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the season with these division matchups and your second matchups up.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: They can go well, obviously it's a fifty to fifty
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: coin flip, they can go over under. But sometimes they
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: do focus more on whoever got them the first time
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and say, all right, let's shut them down and try
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: and switch this plan up. Let's not let that happen again,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and let's try not to let anything happen and win
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the game. But let's at least focus on that. So
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I certainly think that was something. But yeah, this lineup,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: you know, like you said, this is just the product
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of the slate yesterday too. Like it wasn't super exciting
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: to pay up to the other running backs. These mid
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: tiers felt really good. It wasn't super exciting to pay up.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe your hurts and lamar ones fine, but like you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: it wasn't super exciting to pay up there. You already
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: had Tyreek kind of at that max price you were
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: going up to see. You just had the money for
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. So I can't labor on it too much.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I just think that's, you know, it is what it is,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that's what happens. But it was why he was also
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: up there in a lot of these lineups this week
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: because the way it's set up and with how much
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: these cheap tight ends just continue to crush because they're
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: basically wide receiver one or twos, maybe even give them
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: twos if you want, because of the setup. But you
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: know they're still on there and getting a ton of
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: targets in that offense. But overall, you know, the three
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: man don't need a run it back defense with the
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: running back paired up the combo pack from Cleveland. Just
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: hope they get the passes and not necessarily need Winston
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: or if Winston's picks hurt him over a guy like
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Twa going off to a Han and Tyreek is what
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: you're hoping for, you're good. And then he just got
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the money for Jamar. So can't fault a great lineup.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I think a wonderful setup there. Here's a Jamis one.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: My boy Fanta Sinn had a Herbert and a and
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a Winston. His Winston build was an overstack, so Winston
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Judy Tillman in Djoku not worrying about the Baltimore side,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: going double tight end with Kelsey Denver d No and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: used all the money by the way Javante and then
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: mixin and Bijon. I thought this was a nice lineup here.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Obviously didn't get fully to the top, but again, just
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: another way to get different with those guys is to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: just completely overstack them and then get to the different
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: running backs that well, Mixon is sixteen, it's not the
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: same as what we just saw with Dobbins, Javonte, Williams,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: bre Hall, all those guys going through the roof and
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: then not a three running back build d sots on
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: this first one.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the overstacked there, I mean just significantly underpriced, right,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: you know they're that you're number one, You're attacking the
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Ravens horrible secondary, right, who's also dealing with injuries, and
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: they're significantly underpriced. I mean Judy is wide receiver one
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: at sub five K, Tillman wide receiver two sub five K.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Najoku right, arguably wide receiver two as well at fifty one.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: So just the overstack there that the pricing makes it work,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: and then just plugging in the good plays around it,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: but obviously still having some leverage and game theory built in.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Right with the Bijon Robinson pivot off of off of
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Briess Hall, Right, I mean I'm sure Brice Hall in
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: this tournament was probably I mean, I would assume pushing
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: thirty five to forty percent right kind of where Tyreek
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Hill landed.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I would assume.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: So just having that one or two differentiation pieces right
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: with the Travis Kelce pivot off of Javonte Williams, because
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sure with the Denver defense in this lineup, he
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: had Javonte Williams in the flex realized that he probably
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: looked at the leaderboard and looked at guys around him
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: and realized, Hey, I need to make a swap here
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: to really give myself a chance at first place. So
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: let me swap to a guy like Travis Kelce.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bri saw was forty five percent owned h thirty two.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Good call on that swap as well. Like if you
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: look at it from that perspective, the.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Where was the uh you? Actually that was JoJo's or
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Joe go two seven nine lineup right below?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Fantastic, Oh my bad son. Just we reviewed another one.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: But one thing I was gonna say about this one.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I'll go to my guy in a second here. But
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the other thing to about Bijon, not only is he
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: one hundred dollars pivot off Breeze Hall like you said,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: but most Bijon lineups were probably with the cheap Tampa
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Bay stacks, like where people were over stacking Baker with
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you know, you'd get McMillan, you'd get Shepherd or Palmer,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: and you'd get Aughton in there have Bijon. He went
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: with the cheap Cleveland guys and Winston as opposed another one.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: There's another one built into that too, right, Drake London
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: was also seventy two hundred on that same team and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Devin h N Right, so the Bejon Tyreek obviously it's
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: not a direct swap, but Bijon on the same team, right,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Drake London, I'm sure was pretty chalky in this tournament.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: He was projected to be pretty chalky, came in pretty
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: chalky on the large field stuff. Going to Bijon in
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: that same team at the same price is another sharp move,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, and some of.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: The you know balls swap but you know and yeah agree,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: scared mind, but you're what, you're dead. There's no way
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: he's getting to forty k you know, very unlikely, I
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: should say, even if Ravante has the day you're looking for,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: because what would have happened and what you're not seeing
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: here is twenty five to whatever Javonte even got nine
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: or something. What do you get on the deck? I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: can't even remember. I think it was very low.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Javante nine point two.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: So what you're not seeing is all the dudes that
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: he leaped frog. He could have been blocked by like
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: three guys in this spot, forty guys, and so this
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: swap is almost necessary if you want to give yourself
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: some upside or some ability to move up the leader
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: board versus you know, when it's just that busy of
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: a pairing. I'll always say this, if you're way down here,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: you know, going into the afternoon and you're you're in
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the two hundred spot or something, it's hard to tell.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: So sometimes people just say, I'll just leave it and
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: take as much money as i can get. But others
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: will say, you know, it's not gonna be a difference
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: of that much, not to mention, I think Kelsey is
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: pretty close, and I'm gonna get him at way lower own.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I'll just take the risk. That's what actually leapfrogged him,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: to even give him a shot to get into this
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: kind of money.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: So certainly he also know he's behind the Jamar Chase teams, right,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: because Jamar Chase outscored Tyreek Hill and his other receivers.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Right, So with the value he knew he was already
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: chasing the Jamar Chase team.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Nowhere else to know those what I'm saying, you had
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: no afternoon guys except most popular pairing. If I was wagering,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I would almost you know, guarantee you this was a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: swap because would have just been so far dead just
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: sitting on Javonte and Denver now. Instead he swapped him
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: off into forty K, which no Kelsey, No Kelsey, I mean,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: let's be realistic, no Kelsey in this one is another
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: ten k. Does Kelsey get you? I mean pretty big
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: day at twenty five points? Does he get you up
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to another seven points? Maybe not, but just to tap
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: out in fifth would have been another ten k. That's
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a fifty K swap versus a men cash. So if
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: that you know down there, so love to see stuff
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: like that. Going to Fantasy's lineup, it was Winston Judy
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: in Joku. He had the A Chan with Wattle, No
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Tyreek used Jamar Chase Detroit D with Gibbs. This is
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the setup I was talking about earlier. The point I
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: was gonna bring up when I said I love his
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: lineup was the Gibbs and Detroit one. Just to kick
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: things off right, No Broncos Knicks, no Javonte Williams, no
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: thirty seven hundred dollars defense. You switch it up a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: little bit and go to a lineup that looks like this.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Thoughts on this one needs Yeah, I think this is
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: a really good setup.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: He also did playing Judy instead of the Tillmans, I
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: think is another way just spending up of a little
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: bit more on the same stack. I think just getting
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: off the the Chalky Tillman or Elijah Moore talks came
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: in late too at those value guys also, so I
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: think that was a good build. And just playing the
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Wattle another way to get off the Tyreek Hill. Right,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, what almost forty five fifty right in this contest?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Going to Wattle there, I think that's a great, great build.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I really liked Jamior Gibbs Detroit defense pairing.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: They had the highest team total on the slate. They
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: still got they're still facing Mason Rudolph, right, they still
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: have a good defense and Jamier Gibbs, I heard a
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: stat yesterday on Red Zone that Jamiir Gibbs and David
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Montgomery played like something like sixteen games together now I think,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: or nineteen games, and Montgomery has sixteen touchdowns or eighteen
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: touchdowns and Gibbs has sixteen touchdowns, right, so they're they're
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: just obviously heavily involved and he's super explosive. So plus
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: all the pivots off of the briest halls in that
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: in that range. So I think that's a super sharp
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: build for sure.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sucks Lad McConkie for the win, Tillman for
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the way. I mean, you're not gonna leave that much
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: salary probably, but you could also have like a Ladd
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: McConkie for Judy and then bring the defense down a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: little bit and and do it that way and still
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: having Joku with Jamis. But yeah, it's just the way
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you build. That's fine. His other lineup was a Herbert
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: mconkie Dobbins. That's why I brought it up, like if
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: he had a had just instead of Waddle mconkee wins
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the MILLI again, but it's like Herbert McConkie dobbins, no
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: run back mixing New England d again, one thing I'll
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: notice is he's still putting his leverage pieces in here,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: even for the higher stakes in a smaller field, Like
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: you can get away with more in a in a
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: smaller field. But if you notice he does have three
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: guys under ten percent in a lot here. And obviously
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I like doing these deep dives and stuff,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and I'll spend more time on this in the future.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: But like Jamis came in over, so this one's a
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: little bit more chalky. One two, three, four or five
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: mean more leverage in there. One two, three, four, more
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: leverage in there. And notice his plays that are lower owned,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: like Trevor Lawrence who he talked about with a Brian Thomas,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like this is a great stack and aman Ross Saint
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Brown at four percent, Like these leverage plays are real, dudes.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: It's a Kirk Cousins London Mooney pit stack with the
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: aught and run back, the one that we talked about. Like,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I love this lineup. It just didn't work out, but
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: this lineup has tons of leverage built in still projects
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: really well I'm sure going in and he just didn't
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: get there from some of these options, but yeah, that
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: builds nice. So just little things to look at when
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: you're doing the deep dive, anything else you have on
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: this Herbert lineup, then we'll look at the winner. Do
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the reviews before we get out of here.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: No, overall good good set up the combo pack right
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: with McMillan and Notton.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: He can get away with it in a field like
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: that because he clearly has some set up in his
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: in his optimizer or his setup that he's using to
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: have at least one it seems to be some five
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: percent up to what five six guys I would assume,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: so he already knows he can play good plays around
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: that when he's setting up his lineups to have those
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: leverage plays.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And see Kenny. Kenny says, y'all are fine to look
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: at my fishy lineup in there if you want to.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Obviously we reviewed Kenny in the past, plays a lot
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: of the high stakes. I know he had a decent day,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: not the day that he was looking for, but a
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff failed, like Lamar, a really bad outcome
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: for what could have been a lot more. I love
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: this setup of the Judy Tillman combo pack with just
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Lamar not figuring out Zay is he healthy? Bateman is
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the backup Agal or likely or Andrews week. We never
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: know anymore. It's because Andrew's back in the mix now.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: So it's a spin of the Roulette wheel there, Henry,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: all this other stuff. But if you're not playing Henry
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: going up to him Breese Hall fine, autun shock fine,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the double combo. I mean, I don't know what you
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: were thinking, not pivoting here on Javonte, but I know
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you don't late swop very much. You're the prime example
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: of the guy we just talked about. So how many
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: more points does do we get from Kelsey? Let's look
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: this up real quick, to a quick exercise to make
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Kenny feel real bad healthy, it's you twenty five. Let's
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: give him fifteen more points? Goes what to one seventy six?
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Hhbou twenty grand? Kenny twenty grand. That's it. You need
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: to swap and whoever else it was he said, I
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: could have went to Swift with two hundred bucks left.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: What did what did Swift get on the day? Uh?
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Swift got twenty nine.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: So he gets ten more. He goes up to like
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: one seventy one. It's at least it's not the end
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: of the world. It's like another you know, a little
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: bit of chunk change, but yeah, overall the lineup was fine.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I just think for what you this lineup was just
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I know, you're just throwing it in there because it's
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously not it's not the result you wanted.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: But you did still have leverage pieces like you had Judy,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: you had Lamar. Most people didn't have Lamar. You know,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: it got really chalky after that. I mean a lot
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of fifty forties, forty fives, thirty twos, thirty threes. Again,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: not who you play, it's how you play him. But
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: even in like my guy Fanta Sin, let me go
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: back and look, where was his lineup that kind of
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: didn't have leverage I was going to bring up. I
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: think it was this one. No, maybe it was this one,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: this one here. So this is an example. Two aids,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: just real quick, and then we'll get the last ten
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: minutes on lineup reviews that we got there. You're saying, oh,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: but he only put one guy in, that's around five percent,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: But notice it has none of the forty or fifty
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: percent guys, right, So twelve percent in this big of
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a field is up there, but it's not forty or fifty,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the nineteens and twenties are against the forty five breasts
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Hauls and the thirty five of Javonte Williams. You do
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: still have a five percenter in there. Yes you have
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: twenty two in Djoku, but you don't have the big
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Autumn number. Yes you have Wattle at sixteen, but you
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: don't have the Tyreek number. So just something to keep
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: in mind that even in these higher take smaller fields,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: even when you aren't putting the full average in like
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: he is in the other ones one eight, three, three,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: five five one, even when he's not putting it in there,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: he is still getting off of the super popular builds
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and the super popular plays. So that was the final
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: thought there. And let's go to the winner real quick.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: D aids bo Nix Joe mix double mix and knicks
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: into his lineups to get the millie. But thoughts on
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: this one here, this is Alex two ziers or zero
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: one got the job done in the big Mega Yeah.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I think overall, good build, and I mean he could
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: have blew out the field too, had AJ Brown done
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: what AJ Brown usually does. I know you were on
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown a lot, and I mean pivot right there
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: off of Jamar Chase in the same game. I think
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: that's pretty sharp. He knew Jamar Chase was gonna be
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: much more popular in this contest than in a J.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Brown.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: He saved three hundred bucks, probably upgraded him somewhere. I
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: would assume the defense, right, Baltimore defense from maybe what
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: the Chargers defense something like that could.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Have been the swap there.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: So overall, I think this is a really good bill
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: that Jalen Wattle, I think was obviously a pretty sharp combo.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: We've seen that quite a bit in this field when
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: we were reviewing the megas here, because you knew Tyreek
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Hill was the common pairing with a Chan right in
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that combo pack the bo Knicks naked thing, right, we
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: already hit on that. I'm surprised he came in bo
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Nicks came in at what five per in this contest.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: That's pretty surprising because I think what he came in
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: much higher.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: In the in the lower stake stuff Bonicks did, so
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I think that's an interesting thing.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you have thoughts on that. Right,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: the lower stake stuff Bonix was much higher owned than
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: obviously the higher stakes.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing I'll note real quick to see. This
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: was all morning guys, right except for Nicks. Every single
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: play was from the morning slate, I believe, right, Yeah,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: so maybe morning too, right, Yeah, everything was so yeah,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: there was no swaps or anything. That's just what he
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: went with. But no Javonte Williams. I think Shalou brought
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: up a good point too, like I put too much
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: trust in Williams and Bowers. I think Williams was fine.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: We had five games in the afternoon yesterday, so that's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: it's just more of knowing what you're gonna do going in.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Like Kenny said, I'm just I'm surprised him and I'll
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: probably talk offline about it, but I mean I thought
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: he was thinking of swapping. I had a lineup with
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: those two left that I swapped, and I had the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: exact money with one hundred left over. I think it
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: was to get to Kareem Hunt and the Chiefs, and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I was monitoring it up until five oh four, my
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: four oh four, I should say four h five Eastern
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: time start time, trying to see if my Lamar was
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: going to pass the Jamis Winston. Otherwise, I knew I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: had to swap. I had his math figured out. He
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: could always have blocked me knowing that I was going
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: to swap if he thought that, But that's like the
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: metagame that you play. But once I saw that game end,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: immediately I swapped to Hunt and Chiefs D just as
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: a leg up because I had no more chance to
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: win the FFWC SE with those two there. And so
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: that's just a prime example of being able to swap it.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: He talked about having swift all that you just have
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: to know what you can swap to. And we had
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: five games in the afternoon. There was a lot of
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: swap options. But I said it on the front of
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: the show yesterday the start of it. Don't be sitting
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: there in the afternoon with your Javonte Williams Broncos lineup,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: sitting dead on them if you if that's what you got,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: because everyone has that combo. I thought it was a
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: great combo to have going in and to hopefully block with,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: but not one that I would have wanted left over
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: beyond that. So muld on, let's go to these lineup
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: reviews for the people naids and if we got to
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: spend a little bit of extra time, we will new
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: one's I'm always on his case he was one of
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the first in here. I'll be the stay in your case,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: my friend, You're my boy, always love. But I don't
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: like this built mainly because the slate at hand yesterday
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: and double running back of Moster and a Chan. Again,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: you guys know we're not results oriented. That it actually
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: worked out. It was a nice little combo pack crushed
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: brise Hall. I just don't like it for the slate
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: that was at hand, Like, I just didn't think that's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: how I would want to go about it. You had
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: like fifteen good running back plays and Moster wasn't one
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: of them. If anything, I would have rather the old
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Sean Tucker to a Chan, like the Shan Tucker to
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Bucky that week or whatever it was, to try and
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: get leverage that way and do it. But I get
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: it and it was fine. It scored, Okay, everything's good.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I didn't like it for the slate
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: at hand. Naids, I'll kick it to you and you
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: can talk to the rest of the lineup. But obviously
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I liked the Jackson Tilman Moore. That's kind of the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: combo pack thing we've talked about. The reed Ingram, that's fine.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: The indie spot. Good the balt More d with Lamar
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: against them, like that was the other weird one. But
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: it's fine. You can still get there against Jamis. I
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I even talked about it's a possibility always, but go
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: ahead talk about it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just add another thing you already know, like
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: going in right, you have Moster and h Chan in
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: the same build, so you already got a ton of
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: leverage there from the position. You don't also need to
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: double down and leverage it with an expensive Jonathan Taylor right.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Is another thing that I see.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Or just all guys under ten, like you you know,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: you know. No, again, it's fine, and it's good the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: scores there, but like one point nine, seven point six,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: two point four, two point one, six point I mean,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: you're you've got leverage points built in, but your lineup
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: is naturally different right out of the gate with the
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: double double Miami, right.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's the only other thing that the rest
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: of it, right, the secondary stack with Red and Ingram.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Obviously I was on that game.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Jordan Love getting hurt kind of put that game into
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Josh Jacob's hands for the most part, right, So obviously
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: that hurt. The passing game sped up the passing game.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: On the other side, it just wasn't ingram that was
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: involved in Nash tight End Day. And another take on that,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: right because I see Shlub say it in the chat
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: to right, Bowers was in for a big game. Anybody
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: can say what they want. Offensive coordinators one thousand percent.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Yesterday knew it was National tight End Day.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Like you had.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: You had Adam Troutman getting touchdowns. You had literally backup
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: tight ends literally getting touchdowns all over. I mean, I
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: told you you can make all you want. And people
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: were saying, oh, they don't care about this, they don't
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: know about this. They clearly know about it. When George Kittle,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: one of the best tight ends in the league, it's
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: literally his day and he's literally open.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: In public public about it. Right, So I think that
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: was just another did I think we get there?
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Just Shlub's point. Bowers obviously hear people's feelings. Jakobe Meyers
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: being back was certainly interesting for that. We'll have to
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: keep a note on that just for next time. Just bookmarket.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: But keep rolling with these lineup reviews, you know, go
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: from new Ones over to Case Stevens here one hundred
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: and seventy one zero point twenty six. Did the the
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Tua h and Tyreek. I like that quite a bit,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: so that could be a way that it could get there.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Had Mixing as a piece of that Houston offense in
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: a good spot. Had London who I preferred London if
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you weren't doing like Chase or you know. Again, I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: know people's had the money to get to him, but
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I still prefer I think London can get you eight
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: for one hundred and one and not be required. Obviously
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Mooney and Pitts stole a bunch of his lunch, but
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying you could. You could definitely play Drake
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: London and not need a quarterback at all. So I
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: thought that was a great one off spot there in
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: a secondary stack, but just as using one piece from
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the Atlanta side, the secondary of auton London.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: And then Swift and the Chicago D. Another note I
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: made this on the the show. I didn't like Chicago
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: D as much. With Jade Daniels started sort of something
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: that we were keeping an eye on. Again, why you
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: want to watch till the end of you know, leading
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: up to the slate, we wanted Bears d versus Mariota.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, I thought, with Daniel's coming back, people say, oh,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: but his ribs and all that. His ribs to me
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: are fine, or he's not coming back. He actually, you know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: he was fine the day it happened. It just was
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: made into a bigger deal. There was no real note
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: of any injury whatsoever to his ribs. It was a
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: clete scare and almost like David Montgomery, a bone bruise,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: A bruise for an NFL running back that gets smashed
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: by two hundred and eighty pound dudes every week. It's
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: a bruise. He's gonna come back and be just fine.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, I mean David Montgomery story just fine yesterday.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: But I like this build. Maid's overall from a construction situation.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: But you know, some of the stuff that stands out
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: as some of the results could have been looked at
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: in different ways, like maybe not Swift and Bears as
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: much with Daniels coming back. He teached their own, But
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: it's nothing wrong with it. I thought it was great.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a good build. He was
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: kind of locked in going into the afternoon with Swift
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: and Bears. I mean there really wasn't a swap there,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: to be honest, from a defensive standpoint, so I don't
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: mind that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Obviously, you didn't get the Jalen Daniels news until after
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: the morning was already locked, so he's pretty locked into that.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: But the rest of the build I like a ton,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I like to set up a lot. I agree with
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: the London play there.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I know people were saying Mooney, but I like Mooney
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: more attached to Kirk Cousins because it's like usually the
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: home run balls right, whereas Drake London's kind of the
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: possession the zay flowers, if you will.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: So I liked London a lot by by himself.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I want to see if I can fit
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a few more of these in so they'll go a
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: little quicker on these. Maybe I'll just do one, you
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: can do one. I'm gonna take the winner first. Shut
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: up to apak q a Paku from The Big Big
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Guy won the listener League with this and says thoughts,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I'm playing a Hn and Tyreek together. Okay, given their
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: discounted price points, I think for the combo, I think
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: it was okay worked out. Okay for you. You shift
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: the whole tournament, so certainly was okay, though yesterday we
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: talked about with those prices, was definitely fine. I have
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: a knock against it that I'm gonna talk about in
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: a different lineup in a second, but for different reasons.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: But I like how you put this one together, Lamar
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Zay Andrews Tillman. Use the two Miami guys, hope that
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: they're the whole offense, get the second tight end in
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: regardless of ownership, because it's fine, And I love the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Detroit Detroit combo really focusing on those good game environments
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: that we talked about, like if the Baltimore game goes off,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: you got the nice pieces there, get the Tampa Bay
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: thirty five hundred dollars guy in because you can with
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: how different the rest of the lineup is Gibbs and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Detroit as part of that spot, avoiding the Denver guys,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: avoiding some of the other stuff there with the Chargers
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: guys and doing it that way. And also this was
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: an early only lineup, right, was the Detroit game in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the morning?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: It was, yeah, So really you probably would have crushed
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: in early only slates as well. So one takeaway is
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: that if you ever see your lineup that is a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: all early only or an all PM only. Don't be
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: afraid to play those slates with it, because this lineup
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: probably would have worked out pretty well on the morning
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: slate as well, and the price is set up similar
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: or usually exactly the same. So any quick thoughts on
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: this one age. I think that's an awesome build. It
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: worked out and it got to the top.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: No secret there, very good build.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Just the parlay thing right, going in on three spots right,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: you need three spots to get right, or four spots
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: right with the ottenn But overall amazing build. Oughton was
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: just a onesie position right, just the best play on
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: the slate yesterday, for sure.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I want to add that too. I love what you
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: said it is to me, it's three spots. It's almost
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: like Auton's the free Square where I always about the D.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he'll put you up the twenty nine that
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you need to win, no, but if it's just your
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: landing on literally one of the best values on the slate,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: and everything else is okay, Detroit smashes and it's Gibbs
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and the d Lamar and Cleveland goes off and it's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Lamar Zay Andrews. They got to bring back Tilman the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: other way, and Miami does their job with two of
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: back those guys that pick up the offensive weapon the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: offensive numbers. When two is in a Chan hill boom,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: you needed three things to happen, and then the best
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: value play just needs to hit.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: But it's not like this way.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe they want the Trey Palmer there too, which people
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: were going to too and then once got the job done, right.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, little things like that, though I do like
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: to look at I will bring up the aforementioned version
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: that I didn't like. So rude man, schwank Bob, really
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: really good dude, always supporting, We appreciate. I don't think
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: your lineup's bad. I'm just saying I want to note
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: something about this. Playing them together is I thought was fine.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I understand the game stack here of Murray Harrison McBride,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: a Chan that we literally showed on the stone at
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the start of the show. But I like Gibbs as
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: we've just talked about. But what I don't like about
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: this lineup is that you doubled down on it, which
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: forced you to have to double down on the cheap spots. Right.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: It's again, it's not bad, because it very simply could
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: have been that you go to Auton here for two
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks more and drop the Broncos down. I didn't
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: calculate your whole lineup, but you would have fit pretty good,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: got yourself twenty eight plus more points. Maybe you loser,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: make a little bit more on the defense and been
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: closer to two hundred, But I don't like that it
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: forces you to need two cheap beasts to get there,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: and if you do force it to need two cheap
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: beasts to get there when you already have should note
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: here back to our winner five three three three two
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: lots of leverage still put into that parlay. When you
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: got a parlay like this and you've already got one
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: four less than one two, you're fine. You could have
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: just played out and dropped the d down and just
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: not tried to overdo it, needing Tilman and Bobo to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: get there. It's not results oriented. I'm talking about the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: overall construction of my thought process behind it. The result
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: oriented is how you would have got the better score
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and the better number the build, though, I'm saying, when
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: you overextended yourself like this to need two cheapies to
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: go off, look at the leverage of what you've already
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: got in there, and be fine just putting the other
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: value cheapy. You probably had a floor of six to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: seven points, and we saw his ceiling twenty nine. So
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: just I wouldn't be trying to make Jake Bobo work
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: here in this spot, regardless of metcalf in or out.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: You already had enough leverage. You were already over the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: top with everything that you needed. Go ahead, and it's
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: anything else you want to add.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, your points you brought up are great.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Jake Bobo is pretty thin play unless you're stacking up
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: like a Gino attached. So that's like one of those
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: plays right where value plays are okay in regards to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: how you use them. Right, there's some great value plays
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: that don't need their quarterback to come with, and then
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: there's guys like Jake Bobol who are probably gonna get
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: four targets Max, And if he has a big day,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: it's likely that Gino also has a big day attached
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: to him. And obviously you're gonna pick up on things
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: like that. The more you play, the more you listen
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: and kind of watched these shows in that but I've
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: played a long time. I've listened to Tamble a lot
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: and learned a lot that I kind of just know
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: the guys that are need to be attached to the quarterback.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: So that's the only other ad.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this one here was from our guy Beatle Bain,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: obviously a great player. We've seen him. You had a
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: huge showdown win late last season and now getting back
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: into it this season, said this was his best from
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: the day. But Winston, it's on two screenshots. I'll go here,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: but it's Winston, Tillman and Joku Bateman with the runback.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Then he's got Brown and Chase a Chen bears d
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: with Swift, So you know it's a three to one
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Swift bears D a Chen with no Tyreek, Chase and Brown,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: and it just fits the mold of what we talked
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: about on the slate. You had sort of unlimited money.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I think everything is set up fine, it's just you
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: need you need it all to happen. And then the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: other thing is is if Chase actually does break it,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: is it on a Winston lineup like this? Tough to
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: say because Bateman would have still crossed you out. If
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Brown busts it and is part of that stack with
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, who already was having a big day himself.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Is a Winston lineup up there. But again, you had
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: unlimited money, so I'm not faulting you for it. And
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I also don't mind that you split the difference of
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: if I'm not gonna have Tyreek, I'm gonna go to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: a Chan. If I'm not gonna have Tyreek, I'm gonna
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: get both the other Stud wide receivers. Build a little
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: bit differently and set yourself up to have an expensive
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: wide receiver in the flex as opposed to a three
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: running back day. But any thoughts on this lineup for
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: a guy Beatle Bay.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think the setup was good. I mean
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: the Bateman was a pretty good play.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Obviously he didn't get there, but you kind of got
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: forced into playing a bateman right in a build like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: this instead of going to like Mark Andrews or something,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: So you could have looked at that right going to
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: like one of those tight ends and playing double tight
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: end and still playing your two Stud receivers. But yeah, overall,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I think it was a good build, and just to
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: the double Stud wide receiver I think was definitely interesting
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: on yesterday. But It's hard to imagine in eighty five
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: hundred receiver and an eighty three hundred receiver both getting
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: there without kind of one of their quarterbacks in my opinion,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: But I mean plain Winston obviously allowed you to play
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: both of Yeah, that's all.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Online because the way the build was flipped. I actually
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: think it's fine. I just I'm saying, like, that's the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: tricky about yesterday's slate is you almost always had money
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: to spend. Here's another one. We'll round down on this one.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Uncle t K seventy one. Todd Kyle put it up
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: there rocking the ship at Nation logo. But Winston more
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: in Djoku, no runback, that's fine, double stud again with
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: no Tyreek and going to a chan. He went with
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Amanro Saint Brown as a piece of that Detroit offense.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown is a piece of the Philly offense with
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: no hurts. The double tight end is fine. Obviously a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: good value play there already had tons of leverage built in. Again,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: this is what I was talking about earlier with our
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: guy Schwank Bob. But Winston A Monra, AJ Brown, Elijah Moore,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: you already got four leverage points. You can just play
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Kate Otton and then got the secondary of Williams broncos On.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: The only thing I want to add on that though,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: is I would have probably swapped here, to be honest,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: because you already knew A Mona Saint Brown busted for
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: you and a J Brown busted for you in the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: morning at those price points that you're just zero chance
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: to get anywhere near a big cash day. Obviously it
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: hit the cash right, but you're never getting anywhere near
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: the top of a line tournament when you have a
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Mana and AJ Brown both bust at those price points,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: and those were both morning guys. So swapping to Kareem
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Hunt who obviously didn't crush and like the Chiefs defense,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: or punting the defense to like the Seahawks or something,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: and then going up to one of the running backs
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: or James Cook right Bill something like that. Just looking
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: at those swaps. So I don't know what your portfolio
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: looks like in terms of the number of lineups you played,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: but just always remembering that and not everybody swaps. There's
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: obviously goods and bads of swaps, but when you have
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: a situation on a setup like this, this is something
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: you would look at when you already know you have
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: two expensive guys that have snowflakes. You're pretty tough to
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: get there when you got fifty plus percent combined ownership
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: between your last two spots, right.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's the thing I said it before Javonte
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and the Broncos was the James Cook and Chicago Bears defense.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: You pick up twenty one points over here, you lose
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: four here for a difference of seventeen, you're now up
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: to what one's seventy two. So it's like, again, is
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: that going to make you all the money in the world.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily, But the point is looking for these things
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: when you're pretty much dead to rights with the same
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: thing everybody else. It's like the most owned guy on
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: your lineup besides Auten and the top owned defense on
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: the slate. Maybe like maybe maybe Ravens were a little
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: bit higher, but the point is you were dead to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: him in cash and not saying you would have got
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: a bunch more out of it, but it would have
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: been good practice to realize when to late swap and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: when to learn from it. So yeah, I think that's
• 1:08:53
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• 1:08:55
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