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7-29-26 Hour 1 - Brand new Broncos facility/More Peyton Watson rumors/Rox walked-off by Padres · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've already noticed how much closer everything is. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the previous building, you know, weight room, you know you
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  Speaker 2: have to walk. I mean it's it sounds so spoiled,
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  Speaker 2: but you know you have to walk a little bit
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  Speaker 2: to go to the weight room. And right now the
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  Speaker 2: weight room is like connected to the locker room pretty much,
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  Speaker 2: so like everything is so close. You know, those little
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  Speaker 2: minutes of time, you know, do add up throughout the day,
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  Speaker 2: so it'll be nice to just have a really good flow.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my expectations was high, and it definitely exceeded
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  Speaker 3: my expectations.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Like this in the league. I mean, it's state of
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  Speaker 3: the art, very nice facilities, everything, and it seems like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you look at it, you know, obviously
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  Speaker 3: you look at the locker rooms, the facilities, it just
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  Speaker 3: seemed like it was meant to be, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 3: and they put it in the right spot, in the
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  Speaker 3: right position with this team. So it's great that we
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  Speaker 3: have this to our disposal.
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  Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no no, there's nothing wrong with bringing up
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  Speaker 5: a little madness to kick off a show.
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  Speaker 6: Well, they opened up that new facility yesterday and the
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  Speaker 6: players couldn't stop beaming about it.
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  Speaker 4: And look, it's state of the art.
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  Speaker 6: This is part of the reason, you know, you gotta
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  Speaker 6: you gotta count your fortunes when they arise, because new
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  Speaker 6: ownership groups are not guaranteed to be the way that
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  Speaker 6: this group is. And now we'll give you two examples.
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  Speaker 6: In recent memory, David Tepper bought the Carolina Panthers. There's
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  Speaker 6: a lot of bad that happened when David Tepper took over,
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  Speaker 6: a lot of weird things that happened when he took over.
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  Speaker 6: Tom Dundan, the dude just bought the Portland Trails Trailblazers.
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  Speaker 6: Is kind of gutting that team and then threatening to move.
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  Speaker 6: That happened immediately. This ownership group says, not only are
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  Speaker 6: we staying, We're staying in Denver. I'm gonna build a
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  Speaker 6: stadium and pay for it. And by the way, here's
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  Speaker 6: a brand new practice facility. To top things off, and
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  Speaker 6: the way that we build things, I will give construction
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  Speaker 6: crews bonuses for finishing it early. It's a much different
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  Speaker 6: thing than some ownership groups around sports, and so yes,
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  Speaker 6: incredibly fortunate to have that open up. Yesterday and now
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  Speaker 6: with Bronco's camp opening up, we had some football I
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  Speaker 6: don't know about you, guys, I was pleasantly surprised. I
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  Speaker 6: looked at my phone yesterday on Twitter and I was like,
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  Speaker 6: oh my gosh, actual news, like football news. We're here,
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  Speaker 6: We've arrived, and we'll be out a camp Friday morning.
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  Speaker 6: But Vic you were there, what'd you think.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we didn't get a chance to see the entire facility.
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  Speaker 4: I saw the some parts of it. I saw the outside.
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  Speaker 4: I saw some interior portions. On Saturday, they'll provide tours.
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  Speaker 4: But from what I saw, it was very, very impressive.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yesterday Quinn Minors his biggest impression is that
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  Speaker 4: he got to park underground. That they have an underground
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  Speaker 4: parking lot now for the players and coaches, so they
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  Speaker 4: just drive right up, go underneath it, and boom, take
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  Speaker 4: an elevator right to their locker room. It is, yes,
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  Speaker 4: very state of the art, very new, and very impressive.
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  Speaker 4: Now whether or not that translates to the field, we
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  Speaker 4: shall see.
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  Speaker 6: I gotta tell you one bummer though, mos with them
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  Speaker 6: being able to park underground, Now, tell me I can't
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  Speaker 6: get those shots of Russell Wilson pulling up in his
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  Speaker 6: monster truck Late.
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  Speaker 4: Jersey on anymore. You don't know what's not a thing,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how much facilities factor into WICH. I
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  Speaker 5: think it's nice. I think it's a good perk. I
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  Speaker 5: think guys like to have convenience. And yeah, you're parked underneath.
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  Speaker 5: So in the winter time when you have to go practice,
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  Speaker 5: you're leading up to a game, you're there at the
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  Speaker 5: facility all week long. You don't have to worry about
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  Speaker 5: the snow and all that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 5: But I'll relay the story of when the Vancouver Canucks.
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  Speaker 5: I remember when they redid their locker room and then
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  Speaker 5: they even before that, VIC they have a personal chef
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  Speaker 5: that cooks guys whatever they want after morning skate and
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  Speaker 5: all this kind of thing. Right when the facilities are beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: They're in Vancouver and VIC. I walked into their new
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  Speaker 5: locker room and it looked like a friggin' spaceship. I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 5: this is amazing. It looks incredible. What a great job
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  Speaker 5: they've done. And they got their personal chef, and they
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  Speaker 5: got the sleep doctors that monitor every bit of sleep
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  Speaker 5: that every player gets, and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 5: And you know what that meant for the Vancouver Canucks.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing.
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  Speaker 5: They suck.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but this team doesn't say I agree, But I
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  Speaker 7: want to tell you nothing.
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  Speaker 5: It mattered Jack Squad because you can give players pool
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  Speaker 5: tables and personal chefs and beautiful locker rooms and all
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  Speaker 5: that kind of thing. Their main concern is how much
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  Speaker 5: am I getting paid? Am I getting paid what I
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  Speaker 5: think I'm worth in this league? Am I play? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: That's that's the main concern. So all of this is
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  Speaker 5: really nice. It's long overdue. That building over there was
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  Speaker 5: pretty old, vic, you know that sort of thing. They've
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  Speaker 5: done some things to it, but it was pretty old.
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  Speaker 5: But this one is absolutely gorgeous.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's what cracked me up yesterday. The questions that
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  Speaker 4: were delivered to the two players we spoke to, Patrick
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  Speaker 4: Sirtan and Quinn Minors how much will this facility help
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  Speaker 4: attract free agents? And I always love that question because guys,
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  Speaker 4: we've talked about this. What is the number one, number two,
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  Speaker 4: number three, number four number.
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  Speaker 5: Five factor for a track One, what am I getting paid?
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  Speaker 4: Money? Money, me my money? Can I get some cash?
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  Speaker 5: And moulah.
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  Speaker 4: Of the five biggest attractions for free agents, there.
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  Speaker 6: Is a sixth one, which is, yeah, are you guys
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  Speaker 6: at least okay?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Are guys at least in decent shape to win?
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  Speaker 4: Are you competitive?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Again? In order money, money, me, my money, moolah. It
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  Speaker 4: was the last one, cash money.
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  Speaker 5: Well, those are the five.
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  Speaker 4: Before I threw some scroller in there.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, sure cash money was before mulah.
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  Speaker 4: But it's okay and his money and if you think
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  Speaker 4: any different, you're just not paying attention. Those are the
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  Speaker 4: biggest factors for any free agent in sports. I listen.
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  Speaker 4: It's an advantage because when people look at your facility,
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  Speaker 4: they say, well, your owners are taking care of you.
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  Speaker 4: They want you to win, and that that means something.
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  Speaker 4: I get it. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't mean nearly as much as what we just mentioned.
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  Speaker 4: I can't wait for Saturday to see the entire complex.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to practice today tomorrow. Jean Payton will speak
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  Speaker 4: after practice today. A lot of questions to be asked.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how much you'll say about Jonathan Cooper,
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  Speaker 4: who was at the facility yesterday. I was very surprised
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  Speaker 4: by that. I'm not not surprised by one. I don't,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't.
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  Speaker 6: I guess I'm just surprised because they did ask him
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  Speaker 6: to stay away during OTAs. Now I don't know protocol
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  Speaker 6: on this. So if I have this understanding correctly, he's
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  Speaker 6: going to have a trial date that's on August thirty,
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  Speaker 6: first two weeks before the first game, and that's where
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  Speaker 6: he's going to enter his plea, which I'm assuming is
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  Speaker 6: going to be not guilty, and then the trial doesn't
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  Speaker 6: start to like after the year's over, which I don't
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  Speaker 6: know what happens in the NFL in situations like this,
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  Speaker 6: because we know this, the NFL has suspended people regardless
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  Speaker 6: of an outcome of.
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  Speaker 4: A trial or whether you've had your trial.
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  Speaker 6: They've just said, you know what, the fact that you're
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  Speaker 6: even embroiled in this four games, and I would assume
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  Speaker 6: that's probably what's gonna happen with Jonathan Cooper. But if
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  Speaker 6: you look at an opposite side, like you guys know
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  Speaker 6: what happened in Detroit, I mean they had a first
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  Speaker 6: I'm picked from a couple of years ago who got
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  Speaker 6: hit with a felony charge and they're like, you're cut
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  Speaker 6: later see you. So I don't know, I don't know
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  Speaker 6: what the right thing to do in this is all
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  Speaker 6: I'd say. I'm surprised, just in the sense of Sean
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  Speaker 6: Payton notoriously, notoriously hates distractions, and that's a big distraction.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the fact he reported to camp tells me that
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  Speaker 4: they think they're going to be fine. Yeah, you'd assume.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what fine means. It could be a
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  Speaker 4: three game suspension, four game suspension, no suspension, but you
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't report the training camp on the first day unless
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  Speaker 4: you knew you planned on playing this season.
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  Speaker 5: Typically, though the league will not The league will not
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  Speaker 5: suspend anybody until due process, the legal proceedings are all
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  Speaker 5: said and done. So if they're trying to push this
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  Speaker 5: to after the season, like you're talking about what next
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  Speaker 5: if the Broncos one to the Super Bowl, so next
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  Speaker 5: mid late February March, that's a that's a pretty big kick,
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  Speaker 5: you know, kicking the can down the road. That's a
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  Speaker 5: pretty pretty long distance.
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  Speaker 6: There is one thing I want to discuss, and we
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  Speaker 6: can get into this in more detail as we go along.
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  Speaker 6: But it's a funny place set that the Broncos find themselves,
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  Speaker 6: and I guess a familiar place if you're you've been
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  Speaker 6: a Broncos fan for you know, a long time. They
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  Speaker 6: have now kind of pulled themselves back into a certain
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  Speaker 6: category that we're used to for at least half the
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  Speaker 6: teams around here, which is, if you don't win the championship,
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  Speaker 6: then your season kind of m That's where they're at now.
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  Speaker 6: They're in Nuggets and Avs territory. I mean, the Avs
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  Speaker 6: made the Western Conference Finals. Nobody cares Mosh didn't win
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  Speaker 6: the Stanley Cup. Should have won the Cup. Nuggets doesn't
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  Speaker 6: matter if they get bounced in the first round, second
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  Speaker 6: round conference finals. It's like you have Nikola Jokich. You
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  Speaker 6: should win a championship when you win fourteen games in
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  Speaker 6: the season and you make the AFC Championship game, and
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  Speaker 6: a lot of us think the only reason why you
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  Speaker 6: weren't in this Super Bowl is because bo Nick's hurt
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  Speaker 6: his ankle at.
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  Speaker 4: The very end of the divisional round.
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  Speaker 6: You're now in the category of it's time to win
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  Speaker 6: a super Bowl or else.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think this season with the way we wanted
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  Speaker 4: it to. Why not? Patrick stan said yesterday, what is
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  Speaker 4: the biggest goal going into this season? Team goal? And
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  Speaker 4: he said getting off to a fast start, because if
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  Speaker 4: you know the last few years they've sort of scuttled
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  Speaker 4: a little bit to start the seasons. Well, good luck
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  Speaker 4: getting off to a fast start with the first six
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  Speaker 4: games to this schedule. That's one of the toughest stretches
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  Speaker 4: I've seen it quite some time. You open up against
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  Speaker 4: the Chiefs, then the Jaguars, Rams, Niners, Chargers, Seahawks.
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  Speaker 5: That's pretty tough, man, that's pretty tough.
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  Speaker 6: Think about this, moj If they go three and three
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  Speaker 6: in that stretch, which we said, I think we're all
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  Speaker 6: on board. If I gave you three and three right now,
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  Speaker 6: say that's the record, you take.
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  Speaker 5: It all day, all night, twice on Sunday, Well.
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  Speaker 4: That equals your lost total from last year.
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  Speaker 5: Correct, And And that's what I said. If you think
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  Speaker 5: you're gonna go fourteen and three again, okay, well you
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  Speaker 5: split the first six, then you got to win out.
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  Speaker 6: Well, let me give you this and I'll give you
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  Speaker 6: these numbers again a little bit later in the show.
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  Speaker 6: But just as it's sort of a teaser. This from
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  Speaker 6: Todd Furman. He is somebody who is a CBS betting guy.
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  Speaker 6: So the Broncos trailed and this is pretty remarkable. They
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  Speaker 6: trailed in fifteen games last season fifteen. Denver's the only
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  Speaker 6: team in league history to win eleven games when trailing
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  Speaker 6: in fifteen they won fourteen, the only one to win eleven.
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  Speaker 6: So the over underwin total for the Broncos this year
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  Speaker 6: is nine and a half. And he said they've become
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  Speaker 6: the top cell candidate, saying the under since in years
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  Speaker 6: he doesn't have the exact year, but in years with
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  Speaker 6: that now, I don't think you know, if I had it.
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  Speaker 5: All makes makes perfect sense.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, if I had to put my thinking happened prognosticator
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  Speaker 6: had on. I think the Broncos are getting the double
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  Speaker 6: digit wins this year. I feel pretty comfortable in saying that.
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  Speaker 6: But the way that you've won does leave room for well,
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  Speaker 6: can the defense be as good as it was last year?
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  Speaker 6: Can you continue this sort of harassment of the quarterback
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  Speaker 6: that you've done over the past couple seasons. Can you
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  Speaker 6: continue to win close games at at least close to
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  Speaker 6: the rate that you did last year? But more importantly,
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  Speaker 6: ten your offense become a consistent unit. I mean, I
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  Speaker 6: think that's that's the big question to this year. If
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  Speaker 6: you can do that, if you can have an offense
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  Speaker 6: that produces through four quarters instead of just one or two,
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  Speaker 6: then I think you can you can negate some of
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  Speaker 6: the stuff that is left up for you know, just
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  Speaker 6: football weirdness in year to year changes.
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  Speaker 4: We'll say, can I offer one quick monologue on what's
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  Speaker 4: changed so much about training camps and football covery the NFL?
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  Speaker 4: What's so funny?
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  Speaker 5: It makes me laugh because we were there in the
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  Speaker 5: days of go ahead, But I think I know where
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  Speaker 5: you're going with this, and I'm already smiling.
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  Speaker 4: And the only reason I bring this up not that
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  Speaker 4: it's bad. It's just different, right, This is just the
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  Speaker 4: way sports has become. Sports is such a business now,
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  Speaker 4: it's such an operations. It's so different than what motion
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  Speaker 4: and I guess grew up with. Like when we are
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  Speaker 4: your age, there used to be a day where you
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  Speaker 4: go to training camp and you'd walk in, you'd walk
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  Speaker 4: onto the field with the players and coaches. Hey, what's up, hey, coobs?
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  Speaker 4: How you doing? How was your night? Lesson id you
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  Speaker 4: go to the smiling moose Oh yes, yeah, I had
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  Speaker 4: that same food. Yeah, it was great. Okay, we'll talk
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  Speaker 4: to you after practice, see you later. Hey, do you
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  Speaker 4: want to play golf tomorrow? Sure? Okay, what time do
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  Speaker 4: you have Okay, yeah, no problem. Let me tell you
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  Speaker 4: what it's like now. You walk into this building. You
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  Speaker 4: have to go through three different secure doors. You don't
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  Speaker 4: have access. You have to have access to get into
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  Speaker 4: the doors. You never see the players ever. They're on
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  Speaker 4: the other side of the facility, they're on the other
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  Speaker 4: side of the field. Your only access point is in
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  Speaker 4: a corner of the entire complex. You're not allowed to
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  Speaker 4: go anywhere else. You're not allowed to even look at them,
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  Speaker 4: let alone talk to them. It is such a different
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  Speaker 4: job today than it used to be. And I sat
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  Speaker 4: there yesterday and it's nobody's fault. And I'm not complaining.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm observing and giving you my observation. The
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  Speaker 4: job of bringing these teams and partaking in this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It's so empty. What other word can they used? You
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  Speaker 4: don't know them, you don't see them, you don't talk
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  Speaker 4: to them, you don't hang with them, you don't know them.
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  Speaker 4: They are separate from you. I think what you're saying,
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  Speaker 4: Vic is.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe back in the day, there's more of a feeling like, hey,
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  Speaker 6: we're all in this together.
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  Speaker 4: We're all doing the sports.
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  Speaker 5: It was because you were.
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  Speaker 6: But that's what I'm saying, like, Hey, at that time,
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  Speaker 6: media is helping tell the story of who you are
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  Speaker 6: and what your team is.
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  Speaker 5: They lived in the dorms at UNC. Guys would show
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  Speaker 5: up in their pickup truck and throw a mattress on
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  Speaker 5: the curb, and a and a and a garbage bag
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  Speaker 5: full of clothes parked their car, and that's where they lived.
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  Speaker 5: Vic's living in the trailers were crying out to a
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  Speaker 5: certain extent.
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  Speaker 4: Lived in a trailer we had. We used to have
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  Speaker 4: some of the players come down and have drinks at night,
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  Speaker 4: the Traders the trailer.
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  Speaker 6: It is so different now the Chiefs still kind of do.
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  Speaker 6: The Chiefs training camps at Missouri Western University.
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  Speaker 4: Now that was a team in my baseball kind Now
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  Speaker 4: I know the separation of church and state. Now when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to pro sports, and especially the Broncos in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL, it's just so different.
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  Speaker 5: Vic, let me one more thing. Mike Shanahan should be
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  Speaker 5: in the Hall of Fame. I will say this. I'll
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  Speaker 5: say it every day on this program until he's finally in.
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  Speaker 5: But he should be in the damn Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 5: right now. And again, I've been tuned up by Shanny
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  Speaker 5: on multiple occasions, and I accept that. That being said, Shanahan,
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  Speaker 5: you know, he was a really organized guy and a
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  Speaker 5: smart guy and a winner and all this kind of thing. Brett,
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  Speaker 5: do you realize that we used to be able to
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  Speaker 5: stand out on the field, in the middle of the
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  Speaker 5: field with the players.
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  Speaker 4: While they're texts. I saw this coming.
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  Speaker 5: Uh oh, here we go.
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  Speaker 4: Three four eighty five puts your name at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the text, so at least when I demean you,
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  Speaker 4: I can call you by name. Wow. Wow, Wow, They're
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  Speaker 4: not my friends anymore. Okay, Boomer, do you think I'm
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  Speaker 4: looking to make friends?
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  Speaker 5: No? Amen, the friend game. Ain't nobody looking for friend game.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just giving you an observation of the disconnect and
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  Speaker 4: one of the things that is different from today's camp
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  Speaker 4: and yesterday. That's all. I'm giving you, an observation.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: The coverage back in the day, too, was certainly much
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: more personal, much more intimate, much more i would say,
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: in depth than Yeah, way more human than it is now.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: It's completely antiseptic, and it's it's it's a little sound
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: bite here, a little sound bite there.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Otherwise there's you know what, it is terrible the.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Fans don't know their they're players like they used to.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: Like I actually think well through people like Vic. Yes,
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: I think you know more about players now than maybe
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: you ever.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Have because they themselves. They don't need the media because
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: they are the media. They have their social media platforms.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: It's it's not about that. It's not about it's just
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: about how corporate it's become. That's all corporate, the corporation
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: of sport. That's what it's become. You've had so many
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: walls thrust in front of you because of that, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: it's good and bad.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: It's good for them.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Listen, they love it. They don't they don't want to
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: deal with scum media.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: For the rest at the time, I think that me
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: and Quinn Minors would get along famously.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I think you we could have a good party.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's literally nobody wouldn't get along with.
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: So when we come back, we'll talk more about Broncos camp,
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: opening up all of that as we go along. There's
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: also I mean, I can't stop because every day. There's
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: always something new rumors surrounding the Peyton Wattson situation, especially
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: regarding a sign in trade. Now, there is one thing
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: that was floated out yesterday that I think is a
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: better option. It was billed as the Nuggets asking for
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: a lower price, and I don't think that's the case.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: We'll get to it in just a second. Stagram.
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: You know, I was talking to an owner recently and
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: he was talking about extending one of his players, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: he was using it and he was using a poker reference.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: You guys play.
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm not a good poker player, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: you know he's like, sometimes with the player, you want
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: to see another card. Okay, he's talking. You know you've
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: seen you've seen the first three cards, or maybe even
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: seen the first four cards. You want to see another card.
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: Sometimes you're willing to make the bet when you've just
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: seen four cards. But I was talking with the zone,
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: He's like, yeah, and this guy, we want to see
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: another card. I think with the Nuggets and with some
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: other teams, they'd like to see another card.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: That's fair. That's totally fair, totally fair.
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: And so when you're when you're a restricted free agent
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: and you're a player that is trying to get paid
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: on potential. You know, it's a hard It's just a
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: hard thing to line up.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: When to hold them, when to fold them. All right,
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: So does Brian Wenthorst on with Us yesterday. If you
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: guys missed that, it's on the podcast, it's on YouTube.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Go check it out.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: It's a great conversation and it was eighteen minutes of
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: just when Horse shooting the breeze with us talking about
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: Nuggets offseason and and a lot of a lot of
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: it surrounding Peyton Watson.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: I'll say this, it feels like every.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Day there's some new rumor regarding Peyton Watson and what's
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: gonna happen and can they sign him? You know, he
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: wants more money than Christian Brown per year, but gosh,
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: that feels like a lot of money. Like all this
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: different stuff. Here's the new things reported from Scham's yesterday
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: on ESPN.
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: The Nuggets initially had set a price this offseason of
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: similar to the Walker Kessler deal of two first and
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: two swaps and any potential deal now that price, my
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: understanding is a really good high level player as well
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: as a first round pick. So we'll see between now
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: and obviously the deadline for any type of restricted deals,
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: as we saw with Jonathan coming the last summer was
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: basically up until training camp. So we have about here
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: about a month and a half before that period starts
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: to come around.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: So this is being framed as the Nuggets lowering their
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: asking price. Now, I tell you this, I think that
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: initial one, which is Walker Kessler type deal, was them
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: just being like, don't even ask why.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: I guess my question is why would the Lakers? That's
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: a hell and then you've given the fat contract the guy. Okay,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: that just the Lakers kind of screwed everything up.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: I had one concern, though, I still fully believe the
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: best outcome that can come of this is Peyton Watson
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: is in a Nuggets uniform long term. I believe in
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: his potential in that way, Like, I think that's the
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: best outcome. But if they're lowering, in airic quotes the
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: asking price to a high level player and a first
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: round pick, that is preferable to me than just draft capital,
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: because if it's just draft capital, you're willingly admitting that
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: we're just our team is going to be worse than
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: last year, and we're gonna sit here on assets.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: And my problem with that is.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown and Jamal Murray's money doesn't
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: disappear next year or the year after or the year after.
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: It's still three more years with those three guys. Along
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: with Joker getting another contract, You're still gonna be in
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: a cap mess no matter.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: What you do. If you let him walk, you're still
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: in a cap mess.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: So if you get at least a player in return
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: in here's one of the rumors, tell me what you think.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: That's from Evan Sidery.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: The Bucks and Nuggets have been an active sign and
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: trade discussion centered around Peyton Watson. Aj Green alongside a
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: future first, could be the return package for Denver now.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Aj Green is a.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Shooter six foot four shooter who took seven threes a
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: game last year in Milwaukee and made forty two percent
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: of them.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Sharpshooter.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: I would much rather have that than a couple of
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: first I'd rather And he just signed a contract. It
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: was a four year deal for a Bautt eleven million
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: dollars a year.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: But Brett, you would be even deeper into the luxury tax.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but you, Curtly are You're in the same place
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: that you are if you're talking about signing Peyton Watson,
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: which is there has to be a subsequent move still,
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: and I get that that's not easy either.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I understand that, Brett, you are deeper into the luxury
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: tax by adding back another salary. And if you're deeper
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: into the tax and you say you cannot unload those
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: other contracts, you think they're going to pay three years
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: of second Apron luxury tax.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: No, there would would have to be something that would
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: occur afterwards, much of the same way if they signed
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Peyton Watson back there, it'd have to be something that would.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Occur on their tenant. Your premise was though your premise
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: hold on your premise was I don't want them to
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: get worse. But if you have to do something afterwards,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: wouldn't that make them worse?
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Okay, are they still going to have to make a
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: move now they're in the second Apron already?
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Let me stop you real quick. It feels to me
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: like you need to solve one problem at a time.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Solve this problem, then then you'll solve the Apron problem. Okay,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: it's a pozzible.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: I don't know how you solve the apron problem that
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: the ape listen to mean this apron problem. God, I
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: hate myself for even speaking like this, but you need
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: to solve it one thing at a time. And I
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: guess my thought would be they probably have a comfortability
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: factor that they'll be able to move something else down
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: the road. But let's handle this law for yeah, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: then work on that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I don't disagree with that. But going back to Brett's
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: original point, you will be in cap hell for the
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: next three years unless you rid yourself of one of
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: your top heavy contracts. And that's it.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Well, how about yes, how about this vicants all the
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: way around it?
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: No, No, I get it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: I have already resigned myself to the idea that I
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: think Cam Johnson's going to be leaving. So I don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: see that as a loss. I see that as something
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: that's just going to happen. Okay, And in this case,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: you get at least somebody in return for Peyton Watson
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: if you were to exit the door as opposed to
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: two guys leaving.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: But see, that's that's not going to solve the problem,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: because all that would happen is Peyton Watson occupies Cam
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Johnson's contract. So it's one for one. It doesn't solve
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: when I say, Ridges, the only solution if you're looking
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: for a solution from this, is to rid yourself of
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: one of your top three contracts. But but Vic, that's it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: If Peyton Watson is going to get twenty plus million
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: dollars a year and AJ Green's only getting eleven million
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: a year over the next four that is saving money.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: You're in the luxury text with those numbers.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: Sure you still are, yes, but but again you're you're
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: there already regardless of Peyton Watson's here's your suggestion.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I know I'm not laughing, I'm not trying to mock you.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: So your suggestion is to simply reside in the second
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: apron for the next three years.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: No, if you get Aj Green here, he makes eleven
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: million dollars a year, I am assuming that somebody like
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: Cam Johnson is gonna have to be on the way
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: out the door.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Regardless of that. Yeah, so you rid yourself of Cam
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Johnson's twenty three million dollars. Guess how muchton Peyton Watson's
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: gonna take it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: I'm saying if they trade Peyton Watson for Aj Green,
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: who makes eleven million, dollars a year.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, So you so you're but are you as good
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: a team as you were before without Cam or Peyton? No?
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: No, but you're not as good of a team without
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: Peyton Watson and acquiring two first round Patton.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: But your original prem was you can't. You have to
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: be just as good a team you got. But I'm
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: saying you are getting something in return for Peyton Watson.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: You're getting an actual player. You're not just losing you
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: set for three years. You're not. Okay, I see it, Yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I see it. But if they're getting someone now, yes,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: rather than a draft and guess what, aj Green sounds
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: like somebody that could be a pretty nice tim Hardaway Junior.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: I got you, I got Okay, it's got kind of
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: a funky haircut. Other than that, Vic real quick though,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: you said it before, you said it yourself months ago,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: you said it might be you have to take a
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: bit of a step back for a year in order
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: to put yourself in a position to now, let's maximize
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: the final years of whatever. Okay, And it looks like
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: that's basically the only thing that you can do right now.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: If you think the Denver No, that's going into this season,
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: are going to be the same team on paper or
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: as good wise as they were last year. The answer
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: is they're not going to be okay. And this is
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: where then you start to hope and pray that maybe
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: a Brazil turns into a player, or maybe a Diallo
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: can come, Alfa Diello can come and lock down you
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: start and this is kind of this is where you
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: have to This is where you have to live. This
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: is the pond you need to put your boat in.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: That is the god. I hope some of these guys
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: can really help because we're kind of thin now and
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: we're kind of screwed, and you hope that Doron Holmes
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: actually can play, and you hope that blah blah blah
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: blah blah. Somebody's got to do something sometime. These guys
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: can't just all fill roster spots and play tickle fight
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: and eat steak. I'll say this, I am come on, man.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I was impressed with the way Ben Tenzer and John
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Wallace navigated all of these thresholds last season and how
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: they ended up with the final roster they did, which
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: we assumed was a great roster. Didn't work out, but
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: it was a great roster. I will be even more impressed.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I will be doubly impressed if they can navigate these waters,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: because this requires some sorcery work here, some witchcraft work,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: some mathematics that beyond my control and my means. I mean,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: we talked to Wendy about it yesterday and did you
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: guys get the pay impression? I did. He's resigned, Like
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: what do you do?
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a sport dude.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Guys, guys every day. For those of you who keep
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: texting and tired of talking about Peyton Watson's contract, it's
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: only going to get worse. It's you could be tired
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: about it, but it's only going to get worse. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: I will tell you this. Today's report, there's a new one.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Stein reports that the Nuggets have offered between sixteen and
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: eighteen million, and that Peyton Watson's people have kicked back
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: and said no, they want to exceed Christian Brown's contract.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: And I said this a couple months ago. I said,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: the biggest sticking point for the Nuggets is the fact
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: that Christian Brown got that contract and he plays alongside
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Peyton Watson. If this were another team and you wouldn't
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: have that to compare to you, wouldn't be in the situation.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you see where
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I'm coming from. So if that contract did not exist
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: on the Nuggets roster, they wouldn't be comping that contract
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: all the time and it wouldn't come up all the time.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: But because it does exist, it's actually working against them
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: because they're like, no, man, we want more than him.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: I have a legit question for you, Vic Lombardi. Only
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: have you been able to locate the whereabouts of your
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Harry Potter wand Yeah?
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: I found it?
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: You did?
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: I did?
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, I did?
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I found it?
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: So grab that Harry Potter wand yeah. In fact, I
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: want you to sleep with it every night and before
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: you go to bed. Do uh now, get this contract this?
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Do some do some Harry Potter bull crap every night
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: before you go to bed to help them navigate through
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: this with this witchcraft and witchery. Oh see, I like that, Vick,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Vick Lombardi. When you lay your little head down on
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: the pillow to night with your did you you already
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: lost it again, didn't you? Where is it?
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: No, I've got it somewhere. I actually found it and
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: made sure to secure it. So I you forgot where
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: you put you forgot where you put it? Okay, yeah,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I don't want to walk away. I just your little
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: head's down. If they thing about Nugget's future with Ben
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: and John and navigating these witchcraftfery waters and all this kind,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: just do a little give them, give them a good
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Harry Potter spell, give them a see. But at the
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: end of the day, guys, correct tell me if you
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: think I'm wrong. Here, all Nuggets fans listen, listen to me,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: come up here, come up here at the end of
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the day. To get through these choppy waters, and they
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: are choppy. Someone's feelings are gonna get hurt. Who that
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: someone is remains to be seen. Someone's gonna get traded.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Someone's contract's going to be off the books. Someone's gonna
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: get underpaid, someone or something. Something will happen for this
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: to all work out. Someone is going to lose out
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: on their feelings. That's the only way to get through this.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: There's no way when you're this deep into the tax
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: for everybody to be happy. At the end of the day.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: I agree, you agree with me or not, I absolutely
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: agree with somebody. Now, somebody is going to be up
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: in some regard.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Now the choice comes in who do you upset? Will
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: it impact the team? Will it impact the locker room?
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Are you willing to go there? Do you rip off
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the bandit? Where do you go?
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Well, Vick, if you don't fix it now, you're not
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: gonna be able to fix it for four years. So
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: fix it now, Fix it right now. I don't want
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to have these same discussions in twenty thirty, but it'll be,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: but it'll be.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: I don't know what you mean by fix it now.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: You know this whole thing about taking a step back
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: to get better later.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Just done.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: Told you jokers, contract's not going anywhere, and you're gonna
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: pay him whatever he wants. You're on the books for Jamal,
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: Christian Brown and AG for the next three seasons. You
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: don't like, Hey, we're gonna take one year of hurt
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: and then we'll be there's no being good after this.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: You're gonna be in the same spot over and over.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: But it's it's about finding guys who can contribute at
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: a high enough level to win without breaking the bank,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: which is going to be a very difficult thing to do. Incidentally, Vic,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: people are texting in real Harry Potter spells yeah, I don't.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't. I don't want that. I don't
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: want that. No, I need I need a Nuggets Harry
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Potter spell. Thank you.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I'm not watching cartoons.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Hey, you're the one who owns a Harry Potter want.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: For I really got it as a gift for somebody
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: else and they didn't want it. You're gonna hear a
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: lot of comparisons between Christian Brown and Peyton Watson, and rightfully,
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: so fine, listen. If I'm in the Peyton Watson camp,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, hey, we're better than that. If I'm in
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: the Christian Brown camp, I'm saying, hey, we've already proven
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: more than you've proven, right yep. So I don't want
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: that to be. Yeah, nobody wants that to be a
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: point of friction going into the season.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Especially between two guys inside the room, like.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: I had not to say that. I'm not suggesting it
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: is all, but I'm saying feelings good could listen. Man,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: It's it's not them personally, but I guarantee the representatives
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: think differently, and they should listen. Paynon Watson's reps. Their
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: job is to make him as much money as possible.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I don't begrudge them for that, not one bit.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Well, when we talk gets you get really really serious
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: really quick.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I do, because I think I and you heard it
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: from from Windy yesterday. This is a weird place because
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: the Nuggets aren't here that often in that place of God,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: we got a lot of talent. How do we keep
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: it together?
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• 33:47
  Speaker 6: something up from last night at watching a Rockies game,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: and it was like.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Many Rockies games this year.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: I would say a majority of Rockies games went the
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: way that last nights did in San Diego, which is.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Starting pitching wasn't great, but wasn't terrible.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: Rockies offense gives them a lead, they go to their bullpen,
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: and their bullpen can't throw a strike and that allows
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: the other team to get back into the game. And
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: now it's a sort of foot race for who can
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: make the least mistakes at the end of a game.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: What Yeah, you blame the bullpen and it's easy to do.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: I agree. I watched I watched the end of that game.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: The mistakes on the field is what lost that game
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: for the Rockies. Yes, I mean Castro had that ridiculous
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: play third the outfielder couldn't grab the ball to make
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: a turn. Just just standard plays that could have ended
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: that game and they couldn't make them.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: When when was the last time you saw a major
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: league team with four errors in a ball game.
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's not great all At the most important time,
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: that exacerbates your your pitching too, because when you make
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: a mistake and you don't have great pitching, they can't
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: make up for your mistakes.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: Like it's all kind of put all together. But I
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: guess what I tell you is this, Vic, I've been
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: somebody who is a fielder, and when you're out there
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: and your pitchers aren't throwing strikes, you tend to get
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: your eyes start to glaze over. You're like, dude, stop
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: walking people, come on, please just put the ball in play.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: I think it all kind of comes together. My biggest
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: problem is at the end of the game it's tied, okay,
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: you need to get some outs. Her Geet goes out
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: there and he throws fifteen pitches, only four from her
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: strikes in the ninth.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Of course you're gonna lose that game. There's no question.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: It's a tie game. In the ninth inning.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: Bottom of the ninth, you don't have a chance to respond.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: You throw fifteen pitches and only four go over the plate.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: In one of the four that you throw is a
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: base hit.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Not to uh, not to belittle the point here for
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: the Rockies, but how satisfying is a long sack fly
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: to center field to win a ball game? Because once
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: the ball's off the bat, everybody's like, uh, yeah, everybody knows.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Well, the greatest part is that it's either going to
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: leave the yard and you're an ultimate or I just
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: I'm a hero by.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly right.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Incidentally, Shane Bieber former saying award winner, you see what
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: happened to him? Uh, he threw He walked six in
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: the first inning last night, walked six in the first inning.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Now that's a a vic I'm no big league skipper,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: but to me, that would be a control problem. Bro.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Watching the Rockies, and you're right, though it is more enjoyable,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: it's hurst to watch them lose the way they lose
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: but at least the games are somewhat exciting, like last
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: night it was a roller coaster. Again another rule.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: It's always like that, Like they don't have games very rarely,
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: I should say, they have games in which they just
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: get blown out.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: But they're at the point right now.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: They're a bad team who just can't find a win
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: late most times, but they are always kind of right there. Now,
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: I tell you this, when did I start saying this?
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: Most a month ago? I was yelling, trade sense of telling? Now,
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: trade sense of telling, now, trade sends of telling?
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: How many did he pitch? Like it? Two thirds of
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: an inning last night?
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: What was it?
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: Sensas era in the month of June was eight one
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: eight sends it Telli's era in the month of July
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: is seven o four.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: He has given up two runs in three of his
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: last four appearance.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: And that was like in two thirds of an inning.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: I mean he got bombed.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: He threw a hif him out of town.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Now he threw a handful of pitches and gave up.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Did he give up two runs with three runs on
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: my three?
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: He give two runs on three?
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Yes, there you go. It was and a walk and
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: a walk and he got bombed in two thirds of
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: an inning.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: You know, the deadline is like right around the corner.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: And they said all these guys were available. I pray
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: to God that they find you know, there should at
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: least be three moves by the way, Brett, Yeah, does.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Anybody who pitches in the major leagues? Does every single
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: pitcher throw a hundred?
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: Now?
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, because no matter who I'm watching the Padres throw
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: guys up there I've never heard of. I'm watching the
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Rockies throw guys up there I've never heard of, and
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: everybody hits one hundred, and I'm like, what what is happening?
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: Well, this is why I was telling you when they
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: win against the miz a few days ago and everybody's like,
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: a what's the difference one hundred and four, one hundred
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: and three and ninety eight? Now, you know, it's a
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: huge difference. It's the same thing as back in the
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: early two thousands.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Most if somebody touched a hundred, that was a tough
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: pitch to hit, because most guys are throwing about ninety five,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: and the difference between ninety five and one hundred is
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: a massive difference when you're standing at the plate. The
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: difference now between one hundred and one hundred and four
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: is even more crazy.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: And that's what separates him from these other guys, because
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: Vick's right, every is throwing a hundred. And that's why
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: when I see guys, you know and not to beat
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: up on him. A huge reason why I think Kyle
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Freelan struggles is because Kyle Freelan like tops out at ninety.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Five Kevin Frielan.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: And if you can't locate perfectly, if you wann't Greg
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: Mannix about that stuff. You know, Greg Maddix is throwing
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: ninety miles an hour. But if you can paint the black, okay,
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: you can get away with it. If you don't have
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: the control, you're gonna get teed. It's like batting practice.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: By the way, most last night, I don't know if
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: you noticed this, I certainly did so. Tovar takes a walk,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: brings home the go ahead run and Rockies are looking good.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Then McCarthy comes up. This guy's throwing one hundred minimum.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Whoever that guy is, I forgot the name of the
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: picture for it was Moron. Yeah, there was Morohan Morahon.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: This guy's throwing a c note every time you're a
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: bit of a Morohn.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's right.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: It's it's lefty on lefty because McCarthy's been Leftyon lefty
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: and this guy throws a little sidewinder. So when you're
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: taking lefty on lefty at one hundred, it scares the
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: hell out of you just to begin with, because you
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: don't know if you get and McCarthy tries to bunt,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: and we've talked about why is he's doing.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: That a lot more lately.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Do you know the cojones it takes to try to
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: bunt that pitch? Brett, Can you explain leftyon lefty at
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: one hundred miles an hour trying to put that bat
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: on the ball?
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: Well especially, I mean, I don't know what the pitch was,
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: it was two seam or whatever, but if you've got
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: the movement on it too, Yeah, it's freaky because, by
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: the way, there's no more exposed feeling than somebody from
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: sixty feet away throwing a ball one hundred miles an
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: hour and you're staring at them with your teeth exposed
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: like this dude. And I know hockey players do it
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: all the time for slapshots and stuff.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Mode.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: That's why I think that they're the freakiest of the freaks.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: But it is freaky as hell. And the ball is
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: starting outside your body because it's left on left. Yeah.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Imagine though, Vic, imagine back in the day standing in
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: there with Randy Johnson.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't do it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Six foot eight, and he he steps to that side
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: of the hill, Brett, and he sweeps it around. I
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: mean the ball, Vic, is right, the ball starting behind you.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: The ball is starting behind your back and then it's
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: rotating into the engage the hell do you do?
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I would raise my hand at the plate and tell
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: the audience I choose not to engage.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: It's hilarious though, because there's so many pictures like this now,
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: it's actually a lot of fun.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: Me, I hate pitchers, but I have become fond of
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: a few pictures in this league because they're fun.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: The miss is one of them.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: When I saw Mason Miller trot out there in the
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: ninth ending of a TI game, I go, well, I
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: hope this goes extras because if we aren't winning. Nine
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: eleven pitches later, three strikeouts and it's the bottom of
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: the ninth, What a freak that guy is. And I
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: hate when people I've always hated this. There's been always
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: this weird sort of thing surrounding UH relief pitchers that
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: if you aren't a closer, And look Mason Miller's he's
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: a closer, but for a second, was a setup man,
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: especially early in his career. Set Up guys don't get
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: enough love because if you can't, if you're up one
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: in the eighth, you don't get a chance to get
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: a save in the ninth that the guy can't carry
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: you over to the ninth inning. But Mason Miller, it's
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: so automatic his era, what was it, zero one, zero,
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: zero eight one? Why I know, three k's and the k's.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: That's the other thing. They're not even putting bat on ball. No,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: they can't, they can't.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: You know what's amazing to me is that it's not
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: even amazing. But he's an a He was an A's guy, right,
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: an A's prospect up through the as system, pitching for
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: the A's, And so what do they have to do
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: with Mason Miller. You gotta deal him right, eventually, you gotta,
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: you gotta just you become you become a farm team
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: to the rest of the league.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: But hang on a second, this is what I'm trying
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: to explain to people with the Rockies right now, Mason
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: Miller wasn't thirty years old, and the A's trading him.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: He was like twenty four.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: Right, Hey, there's no necessity to trade anybody who's really
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: good and young.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: You don't have to do any of.
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: That because who did Why did they do it? Who
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: the A's get for Mason? I'm not real even sure
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: exactly right, because it's prospect. Maybe it's it's a whole
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: bunch of like, I don't know, perhaps sometime down the road,
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: if that's a thirty year old, it's worth the risk.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: If it's twenty four. Sorry, why are the Padres only
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: a game above? What's their problem in about five hundred? Yeah,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: I think speak out of time. I really had rotation problems.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Tatisto's five for five, he's betting two eighty five. They've
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: got big name players.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're starting pitching closer in the game. They're starting pitching.
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: It's pretty bad though. I Mean they get one starter
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: who's got almost a seventy IRA and now the one
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: that's hovering around five.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Walker Bueller's above five. Like they've had some rotation.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know why we're even talking about this because
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers lead the division with sixty seven wins.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: I mean most your boy Marquez is playing. Here's what's
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: gonna happen, because it always does that the Padres will
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: catch some fire. And if there's any team in the
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: division that somewhat scares the Dodgers, it's the Padres.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: I'm sure, oh yeah, because their bats are great. That
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: last thing, I was reading an article the other day
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: about Scooble. What are the Tigers going to do with Scooball?
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: Because they're still in the mix themselves. They're only a
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: couple three games out of a spot, right, but will
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: they deal Scooble? And then the big item in the stories,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: who do you think is the front runner to get Scooball?
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Hey, the Yankees, the Dodgers.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: The Dodgers, it's the No, it's a frigging what. We
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: don't know if Scooble's gonna be moved, but if he is,
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers right now are waiting in the weeds. And
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. The scoopbl thing
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: is weird you've got, but you've got to be kidd
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: me with these guys, are you serious?
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: And I'll I'll be the first to tell you, Like,
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know what the situation is
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: with him in Detroit. I know that that Tiger's fans
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: were pissed at him last year because he exited that
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: playoff game where they needed a dub and there was
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: some sort of rumor that maybe wasn't a rumor more
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: close to truth that it's because he had the pitch
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: count right and he's got the contract coming up right,
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: and he exited a playoff game thinking about himself instead
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: of the team, so that miffed them a little bit.
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: But I think part of it is also Schoobol doesn't
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: want to play in Detroit, is what I understand.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Well, fine, play anyplace else, but frigging l frigging a.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Angelie's well, guess what, mos At the end of
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: this season, there's going to be a big lockout over
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: money and maybe they can't afford to keep schoobl.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: I hope that is the case. I hope baseball, you
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: know what, for this, for the future of the game
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: and for being selfissured in Colorado and other markets. I
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: hope they lock out. And I hope it goes a
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: long time, and I hope it forces a change in
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: the salary structures in Major League baseball pre oh
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Three, five, oh four, oh nine two five back after
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: this