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Investigating Beyond the Veil: Interview with Psychic Investigator Kelly Coulter · Spunky Spirit with Cari Mugz

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to this Spunky Spirit podcast. I'm your host, psychic
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  Speaker 1: missed an episode. Hello, and welcome to the Spunky Spirit episode. Today.
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  Speaker 1: I have with me Kelly Culter. She is a psychic medium.
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  Speaker 1: She also does is it forensic sleuth right, sleuth investigation.
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  Speaker 2: Psychic media, psychic investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have a website called the Sleuth the
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  Speaker 1: Third Ice Sleuth right, yes, yes, yes, yes, so kind
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  Speaker 1: of tell us a little bit. So I don't really
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  Speaker 1: have I've only ever done like one forensic reading and
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  Speaker 1: it kind of scared me because some of this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it matched, but then I felt like I
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  Speaker 1: was I got nervous about it, so I kind of
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  Speaker 1: stopped doing forensics. I don't do forensics a lot. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm so intrigued about this because I just am so
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  Speaker 1: excited to have you want to talk about this because
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  Speaker 1: I do have some students that sometimes want to know
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  Speaker 1: about it and I don't go in that direction. And
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  Speaker 1: you also do paranormal too.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yes, sometimes I do.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that's awesome. So tell me a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: yourself and kind of like how you knew where it
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  Speaker 1: all began and where it started and how you knew
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  Speaker 1: you were psychic medium?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, how did I know?
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  Speaker 3: I know?
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  Speaker 2: Right, I'm actually I'm a former teacher, school teacher, so
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  Speaker 2: that's why I like enjoyed teaching classes still. But as
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  Speaker 2: far as knowing when I really felt I was psychic medium,
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  Speaker 2: I guess like I have like memories from when I
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  Speaker 2: was little, and I have specific events, like I'm a
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  Speaker 2: big dreamer, so I have visitation dreams. And actually the
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  Speaker 2: very first time I think I accepted it was when
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  Speaker 2: I was asleep and my dad came to me in
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  Speaker 2: a dream and he was in the hospital all the
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  Speaker 2: time and he said, you know, goodbye and I love
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  Speaker 2: you and all this and just like Theur's day. And
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  Speaker 2: then when I went right then the phone ring and
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  Speaker 2: it was the hospital saying he passed. So that's yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's something that you just kind of can't ignore. That
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  Speaker 2: was when I was twelve, But I'm super old.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So it was back when we didn't have any internet and.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't really know what it was, right because I
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  Speaker 1: kind of had the same experience with my grandfather, same
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing, but it was my grandfather. And back
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  Speaker 1: then you just don't know, right, you because they didn't
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  Speaker 1: really talk about mediums. They didn't really There was no Internet,
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  Speaker 1: and if you saw anything, it was all Hollywood stuff, right,
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  Speaker 1: So you just kind of didn't didn't know. So what
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  Speaker 1: made you like so you kind of knew when you
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  Speaker 1: were younger, but what made you kind of go forward
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  Speaker 1: with that?
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  Speaker 2: So I think I probably squashed it down quite a bit,
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of people do, right, And you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're you're drawn to things like horoscope and.
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  Speaker 1: Yes I do, yes, I know, because you don't know.
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  Speaker 2: What else to do. And I don't know about you.
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  Speaker 2: But I grew up in a Christian family, so then
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  Speaker 2: there was you know that? So yeah, so go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So I wasn't brought up in a Christian family. I
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  Speaker 1: was actually my dad was a severe alcoholic and so
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  Speaker 1: but what I did was, when I got older, I
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  Speaker 1: went completely Christian like to a religion because I wanted answers, right,
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  Speaker 1: like I wanted, So I totally went completely the opposite
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  Speaker 1: direction because I thought what I had was evil or
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  Speaker 1: what I was doing was evil. So I thought if
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  Speaker 1: I joined a religion it would make it better. So
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of different. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of people, you know, do that,
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  Speaker 2: And I actually still kind of struggle with that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to be honest, and I mean, I'm working
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  Speaker 2: it out, but I still kind of struggle with that.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all do. I think all mediums do
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  Speaker 1: kind of. I mean I don't the ones that I've
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  Speaker 1: talked to, maybe all of them don't. But I kind
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  Speaker 1: of think that there is that kind of coming out
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  Speaker 1: of kind of coming out of the spiritual closet, right of.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's why it took me so long, is because
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  Speaker 1: I did join this religion and then I was so
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  Speaker 1: scared to step it out of because to me, I
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  Speaker 1: had I couldn't do both. I had to like step
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  Speaker 1: out of one to go into the other because my
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  Speaker 1: mind was just so black and white. And so so
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  Speaker 1: I think that I think we all kind of have
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  Speaker 1: that are you going to do it? Or that ledge
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  Speaker 1: that we have to jump off of.
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  Speaker 2: Right exactly? Yeah, Yeah, so you know, it wasn't until
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  Speaker 2: I was later, maybe right before COVID hit, and then
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  Speaker 2: you know how you could take all the classes online. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and so that kick started it. And I actually had
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  Speaker 2: another event happen and a surgery that went wrong, and
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  Speaker 2: so that kind of you know, kick started again.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have a spiritual experience when the surgery or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that, or you just kind of just.
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  Speaker 2: Well, another dream. My grandmother came to me and said,
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  Speaker 2: don't do it, don't do the surgery, don't do the surgery.
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  Speaker 3: I thought she was don't do the medium ship, but
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  Speaker 3: don't don't know, she's like guide found yes, and and
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  Speaker 3: so you know, I listened for a while and then.
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  Speaker 2: Like three months later, they switched the doctor and they
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  Speaker 2: offered me, you know another time. I'm like, okay, maybe
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  Speaker 2: she meant not with that doctor, right, But no, she
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  Speaker 2: meant the whole surgery. So I had a horrible experience
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  Speaker 2: where they performed the wrong surgery. So it's one of
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  Speaker 2: those you know, it's it's how it happens.
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  Speaker 1: You don't listen, I've had, Yes, If you don't sometimes listen,
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  Speaker 1: then bad experiences can happen.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, I've had some of those or just that
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  Speaker 2: you that's what wakens it up, just a full blown
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  Speaker 2: like this you know is not this is real? Something
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  Speaker 2: made up?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? So then yeah, so what made you so? I?
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  Speaker 1: You know, our stories are kind of similar. I went
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  Speaker 1: into just doing readings like for people all the time,
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  Speaker 1: so I dabbled a little bit in forensic and it
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  Speaker 1: it kind of messed me up a little. So what
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  Speaker 1: made you decide to go into the investigation or the
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  Speaker 1: forensic type and even the paranorm will get to that next,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, to do the other does that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: So what made you decide to do the forensic part
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  Speaker 1: of it or the sleuth part of it?
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  Speaker 2: It's not it's not for everyone for sure. But I
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  Speaker 2: took I took a class actually with Tony Stockwell.
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  Speaker 1: Had I take some of his classes too. Yeah, I've
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  Speaker 1: taken some of his classes do not the sleuth ones,
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  Speaker 1: not the investigation ones, but some other ones. Yes, he's good, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's just something about it for me, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm helping and so it's kind of silly. But
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't like it because they don't
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  Speaker 2: like to look at all the dark stuff that goes
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  Speaker 2: with it. But for me, I feel like kind of
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  Speaker 2: like shining light on the dark. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: to Oh, I totally get it. I'll tell you a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about my experience and so maybe you can.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't know I was doing a forensic reading
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  Speaker 2: when I was doing it. So I someone had called
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  Speaker 2: in and they wanted to know about their missing their
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  Speaker 2: missing child, and I had gotten pretty much everything accurate
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  Speaker 2: except for the fact that he had They well, so
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  Speaker 2: I told him that they were going to find him
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  Speaker 2: in or he.
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  Speaker 1: Was going to They're going to see him again in February.
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  Speaker 1: And then I said that they were going to find
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  Speaker 1: him on a river by a forest, like a forest.
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  Speaker 1: And then I told him that they would find him
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  Speaker 1: in a certain state and like a like organ. And so,
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  Speaker 1: but the thing that bothered me is I never really
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  Speaker 1: felt his spirit. I just got all that information right,
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  Speaker 1: or I didn't know it was his spirit. And so
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  Speaker 1: they did find him in Oregon. They did find him
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  Speaker 1: in February, and they did find him on a street
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  Speaker 1: called River Forest.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: So I but the thing is is he passed and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see that part. I didn't see that he'd
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  Speaker 1: passed or and I don't know if it's because I
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  Speaker 1: don't let spirit show me that that's that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like when people pass or anything like that. But it
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  Speaker 1: kind of just made me frustrated that I maybe had
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  Speaker 1: led this mother the wrong way or in the wrong
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  Speaker 1: direction because I didn't see that he'd already passed and
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  Speaker 1: I don't really so then I kind of got nervous
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  Speaker 1: about forensics, right, So then I kind of stopped. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So so do you teach though how to do the
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  Speaker 1: practic part, don't you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So yes, you know, when I always start like
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  Speaker 2: it's like a practice right from when I'm teaching other people,
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  Speaker 2: it's different. And if I work in a group, I
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  Speaker 2: have a like a I'm going to call it a
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  Speaker 2: professional team that we work on cases for people.
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  Speaker 1: So cool. Yeah, and that.
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  Speaker 2: Works differently to tell you maybe the difference between them. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So like when I'm teaching students, I start out always
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  Speaker 2: with psychometrizing a picture of the victim or the person
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  Speaker 2: missing and just have them kind of going raw and
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  Speaker 2: just get get the filming.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to explain to my listeners what psychometry is. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So that's when you like hooled on to something and
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  Speaker 1: or an item of theirs and you can feel Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Henry does this a lot. You can feel their energy
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  Speaker 1: or feel it's in view kind of like remote viewing.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit will not not like remote viewing. You
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  Speaker 1: explain it maybe yeah, yeah, some people.
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  Speaker 2: Like don't necessarily think that photo is psychometrizing, but it
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  Speaker 2: really is.
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  Speaker 1: Totally is you can it's like.
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  Speaker 2: The windows or the eyes of the soul, and that's
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  Speaker 2: completely true.
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  Speaker 1: I totally believe it.
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  Speaker 2: So, for instance, different people get different things. Sometimes people
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  Speaker 2: will get if there's kind of a flat look in
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  Speaker 2: the eyes, and that means for them the person's past.
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  Speaker 2: If they're more like wet or kind of moist and
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  Speaker 2: they're alive. I have some students who are fabulous and
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  Speaker 2: they see things like the lips will be moving, like
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  Speaker 2: they actually talk. Oh that's a photo if they're alive,
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  Speaker 2: and if they don't. So it's really it's so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I just get the popcorn and just watch my
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  Speaker 2: students work because they're amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know when I watch them, of my students,
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  Speaker 1: it's so cool to see them grow and see. I
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  Speaker 1: love that. So keep going about how so before I
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  Speaker 1: interrupted you because all my listeners know I'm totally APHD
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  Speaker 1: and they really get it. But so before I interrupted you,
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  Speaker 1: wh you're talking about psychometry? Do you remember what we were?
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's that's how I always start when I'm teaching.
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  Speaker 2: And so they go in kind of ron they don't
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  Speaker 2: have anything, they don't know anything name or anything, and
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  Speaker 2: then I have them to do like one one go
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  Speaker 2: through and they get like kind of like the top
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  Speaker 2: layer of what we're looking for, so they might get name, states, personality,
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  Speaker 2: what they do for a profession, and then I have
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  Speaker 2: them do a deeper sweep after that, and then I
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  Speaker 2: ask them to feel into do you feel like they're
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  Speaker 2: past or alive? Where are they if they're missing? You know,
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  Speaker 2: who's involved? And sometimes it's hard to not do that
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  Speaker 2: all at the same time because actually that's how I
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  Speaker 2: do it, but we're practicing. That's how I have them practice,
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  Speaker 2: and then we do I call it spirit art, but
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  Speaker 2: it's really not like you think of when people actually
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  Speaker 2: are drawing spirit. They can if they're if they're good
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  Speaker 2: at that, they might draw the suspect, or they might
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  Speaker 2: I have some they're super good at mapping, so they'll
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  Speaker 2: draw the locations. I know, sometimes people just write down words,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe they get a bird and they'll draw a bird.
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  Speaker 2: Why do I draw a bird?
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  Speaker 1: You know, just whatever, kind of like readings basically just
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  Speaker 1: like readings, right exactly. Yeah, that's exactly what happens during
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  Speaker 1: readings exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And then I forgot to say between this time, I
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  Speaker 2: usually put them like a breakout rooms and then they
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  Speaker 2: discussed together what they got and then we come together
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  Speaker 2: as a group. And that's kind of how our professional
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  Speaker 2: group works. We also do like a first glance without
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  Speaker 2: knowing information, and then when we come to ye.
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  Speaker 1: Professional group is your group that you actually do investigations with, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you're still start okay, thank you, Yes, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to make sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for clarifying. Yeah that's okay, I jumped, but
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  Speaker 2: you're good for topic. But yes, So this group we
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  Speaker 2: get together like every Wednesday, and somebody will the professional group,
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  Speaker 2: and somebody will bring a case and then everybody kind
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  Speaker 2: of goes in cold. They don't know anything about it,
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  Speaker 2: and then the magic happens when we all get together.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, okay, So I don't mean to at
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  Speaker 1: So I take a class, a paranormal class with Cindy
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  Speaker 1: Kaisa Ye it was, Yes, was kind of she did
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  Speaker 1: the kind of same thing, right, and then you'd all
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  Speaker 1: cut she'd show you the place and you would go
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  Speaker 1: in cold and look at all the things and then
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  Speaker 1: come together as a group and kind of talk about
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  Speaker 1: what you've got. So that's kind of cool because you
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  Speaker 1: just keep practicing, right, Yeah, yeah, maybe we were in
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  Speaker 1: that class together, because maybe we were. That's so funny. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was like glass around October that I
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  Speaker 1: took it. Yes, I bet you we were.
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  Speaker 2: So was it the Gaines guy?
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  Speaker 1: Was that? Did she show that one that I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what his name was, that one in seventies? That
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  Speaker 1: that her? See, that's the dark stuff I don't sometimes memories. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: keep going, it's you're good, keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I love Sydy Kaysa by the way. So and
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  Speaker 2: then we get together and that's like actually you, as
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  Speaker 2: you just said, we all get together, and so somebody
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  Speaker 2: will say something and that might hit us like oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that really right, Yeah, like we hadn't thought of that,
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  Speaker 2: or that wasn't in our awareness yet, or sometimes we
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  Speaker 2: know that doesn't feel right as well, and that happens
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  Speaker 2: as well, But we generally get like a consensus of
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  Speaker 2: what we feel, and then sometimes it takes us like
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  Speaker 2: a couple of three or four weeks to narrow down
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  Speaker 2: our findings when we're working on the professional case.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually got a cool So how did you form
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  Speaker 1: this group? Did you form it or did did I
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  Speaker 1: find other mediums that wanted to just do it?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, this group are all media psychic mediums from I
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  Speaker 2: think Tony's class to Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was supposed to be on this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: but he got a flu. He got the flu, so
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah. So the first time he show I showed
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  Speaker 1: up and he was like five minutes late, so I
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  Speaker 1: thought he was I thought he forgot or did the
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  Speaker 1: second time he got the flu. So hopefully he'll come back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pretty awesome. He's a good teacher. Yeah he is.
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  Speaker 2: So some of us said in all those classes, all
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  Speaker 2: the psychic advanced psychic detection with him. I think there's
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  Speaker 2: like ten of us left, and so we are, we
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  Speaker 2: formed a group and we continue to work together.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. That's awesome. Good for you guys. So so do
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  Speaker 1: you kind of like the investigation part of it better?
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  Speaker 1: I mean not better? I wouldn't say that it. But
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  Speaker 1: do you like, do you do more in that realm
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  Speaker 1: than just do like regular readings? Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? So what do I like? I like them both.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like I get I go down a rabbit
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  Speaker 2: hole on the investigations.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I bet you that would be Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess my biggest fear and this is like,
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  Speaker 1: is I don't want to screw up the investigation, right,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't want to see because I was watching
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  Speaker 1: and I tell my students all the time why I
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  Speaker 1: don't do forensics. I tell them that I watched a
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  Speaker 1: you know, Hollywood, this show is on TV, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it was like a criminal Minds and they were
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  Speaker 1: following a medium and a psychic and the psychic was
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  Speaker 1: leading him to this place, and then the facts were
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  Speaker 1: leading him to this place, and the psychic was like,
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  Speaker 1: I just keep seeing a beach. I see that these
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  Speaker 1: by a beach. I see this, And so they decided
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  Speaker 1: to go with the facts, and they went to the
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  Speaker 1: apartment where the boy was and it was a big
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  Speaker 1: city apartment, but when they opened up the windows, there
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  Speaker 1: was a picture or a mural of a beach, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I just don't want to lead. I would,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like I would, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I know that, I know about Yeah, it's it's difficult,
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  Speaker 2: especially when you're working with a family, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: or law enforcement. It's really it's.
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  Speaker 1: Have you actually ever do you do the practice things
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  Speaker 1: with the cold cases or do you do you have
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  Speaker 1: you actually worked with a family before?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Families all the time.
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  Speaker 1: All the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time. With the families. We practice. If
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: we don't have a case to work on, we practice
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: on different cases.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: But we so just you alone or your professional team.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I do it too by myself. Some recent ones I
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: worked on, uh, with myself and some of my students,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: and and going in it was a missing person and
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: now there's you know, findings now.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So where are you from? Where are you from?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I'm from California, Okay, so I'm from Idaho. And the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: biggest one recently, well like in the last couple of
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: years was the day Bell the Lori Bello and the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Chad day Bell stuff that was going on here and
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: everybody you know that case where Lauri and yes kind
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: of I totally but two kids with Yeah, that was
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a hard one and I tried really not to like
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: get involved in that one or pick up stuff because
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: because I didn't, because it was just such a such
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a heavy, heavy heavy yeah yeah, and in our society,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: our community, it was just such a big deal. And
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: so yeah, so how do you kind of like, I
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: guess it would be like reading. It's the same as readings, right,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you kind of with the grief, you kind of just
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: remove yourself from the sitter and the grief, you kind
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of remove yourself from that and just go straight in, right,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm yes.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: No, that's right. It's it's like I said, I I
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: like to think of it as helping, like you're making
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: something better.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And China, I really liked that that you said that
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: finding light on the dark.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I always say. Yeah, that's just how
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I feel a lot of people it's too overwhelming, and
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: for me too, I mean.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Some of I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, I tell people all
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the time I see a counselor regularly because of the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: grief and the readings, because you have to, like you
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: have to take that break, right you have to, Yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: For sure. Yeah, And some will hit you harder than others.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It's just some of you you take with you, I
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: think forever some of them what you'd have to write? Yeah, Yeah,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that's so. I just am amazed and so in awe
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: of that. I just think that's amazing. I think that's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: maybe one day I'll go into that. I just I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: just don't know if it's for me right now.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: It's not for everybody. And that's what I always say,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: because I'll have people oh, yeah, I want to take
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: a class with you, and then one time and they're like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I can't do it. Yeah, And it's just I don't
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: know what it is. I mean, I think it's I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: like to set the intention that I'm helping, and they
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: do too, but it just hits them differently.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I think, So, can I kind of ask you, I'm
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: going to ask you kind of first, you can kind of.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: So when I was doing the class with Cindy Kaza,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: there was one of the things that she showed us.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: It was I think his name was Gaines. He killed.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: This is kind of gory, but he was. He went
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: into that and I didn't ever know about this person
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and so maybe I've got his last names wrong, but
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: it happened in the seventies and he killed all those
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: like he like tore aparts. So if you if you
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: guys are for my spongsters, if you're listening with kids,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: just turn turn it down for a minute. So anyways,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I saw like the I saw some of the things
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that like I knew it was in the seventies. I
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: knew he had like been watching her. I knew he
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: went in. I saw all that, and I saw that
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: there was a murder. I saw, but I didn't see
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the gory parts of it, the gory where he does
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: that make sense? So do some people actually see the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: gory parts of it? Is that? Because I don't know
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: if I could do. Do you actually see that part?
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Can you? Yes?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: But you know what, if they're in spirit, they usually
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: protect you. They really did.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, See that's why I was wondering. Yeah, so your team,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: your spiritual team protects you from seeing stuff like that then.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: And and you can can set the intent to not
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: see you know, if you know they're yeah that you
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: just know their stab. You don't have to see.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Everything see it. That's what I was because when I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: do readings, I set the intent that I don't see
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: people who are going to pass. I only see the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: people who like I'm like, I don't want to see
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: people who are living. I don't want to see because
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that's hard information to bring through, right, I don't think
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that's there to consider or to the medium to unless
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: they choose that. But so I guess it would be
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: same with forensics. You kind of choose what you want
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to see. Because I didn't see the gory steps, so
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I think my spiritual team knew I didn't want to,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: so they protected me for that. So that that's really
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: interesting that you kind of lay that out and explain that,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: because then people maybe can do it if they're interested,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: because they're not going to see that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Stuff and you know what, yes, exactly, and some people
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: have different like categories that they're good at. So like,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: we have someone on our team who's a forensic astrologist,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and I also know how to do that, but I'm
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: not fabulous at it, right, that's not my thing. But
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: so she'll do the forensic chart astrology chart and then
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: we'll look at that together and you know, try to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: figure things out.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't even didn't think about that, but of
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: course you would write.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Of course, we have another gal that is fabulous at
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: doing drawings, like she's a portrait artist I mean, I
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: don't know who she is, but she is when she
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: works that, and so will be like, oh my gosh, yes,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that's exactly how I'm seeing you know.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so fascinating to me. I love it. I love it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Okack it out. So so is that your most interested?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: But you also do paranormal which I also kind of
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: have started doing a little bit of that because I'm
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: like you, I kind of want to shine light on
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the darkness, right like, but I still get a little
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: freaked out. So because I don't know about you, but
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I listened to Dave Strader all the time sie some
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: of the things that they that he talks about, I'm like, Okay,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that would totally freak me out. So what kind of
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: paranormal stuff have you like done? Well?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I used to be on teams. That's actually how I
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: started another way, I kind of dubtailed into this, you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: years ago, and so, you know, I think you do
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of things. If you're on a team, you
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: sometimes you have like a museum a library, and then
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you do like investigations there with the public, and then
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: other times you go to other places and do investigations.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: But talk about scared, I'm always like so scared, but
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: not really I guess of what's gonna happen. But like
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: even as a little girl, I was terrified of the dark, Right, So.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Is it kind of like that same thing like when
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you get with readings, Like when I get with readings,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I get this little nervous and I mean, I'm very
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: confident what I do, but I get this little nervous,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: like this little like butterflies, because I just know something
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: magical is gonna happen or something. So is that kind
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of like that you get these like this nervous butterfly
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: kind of thing going on, like, you know, does that
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: make sense?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly, and and yes, So I don't know if
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: it's just something about you know, you don't always have
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: to investigate in the dark, but a lot of people do, right.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I remember I don't go anywhere in the daytime.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Right. I did go to a paranormal investigation, which was
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: awesome with the Pokearo Pokatello investigating team. They were amazing.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And but the lady there that we were talking to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you said that most of the action happens during the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: day and so I'm just like, well, then that would
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I would dare to do that I would dare in
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the daytime. But a lot of these things that you see,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: it's always dark and scary, is that? And sometimes that's
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: just for I guess show. I don't know, but yeah, for.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Sure, like for sure on TV, A lot of that
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: most of the time is boring.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Right, you're just saying for a long because the lady
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: was like this, I know that because we didn't we
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: saw some action and I felt some stuff, but she
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: she felt bad, I think because she felt like it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't boring to me. It was my first one,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and I was like, this is so interesting to me, right, yeah, yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It's super interesting and and I think what used to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: scare me before I did this was you can feel
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: like energy, you know, as it moves around you.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It's almost I felt that I fear it comes in,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you know, it's for me, I feel spirit and blend
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: kind of with them when you're on an investigation, that's
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: kind of random. So I think not knowing what I.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Was feeling, Yeah, because you're right, because I blend with
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: them too, like I kind of blend. But on the investigation,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it was like you didn't really know what to expect or.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You kind of like if they're like kind of around
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you in the back, it's kind of it can feel
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: creepy if you don't know, I guess.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Right well, and if you kindly don't know, if you
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: haven't been in a lot of too, you know what
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I mean. It's your first one. But I'm kind of
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: with you, like I would rather start some of them
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: in the day so then it would be so yes,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: So what's your favorite memory of a paranormal investigation that
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you you know what.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: That's a really good question. But I think actually one
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: that I can remember. I just went to Arthur Feeling
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: College and did the Paranormal and Mediumship. Yeah, and we
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: went to a castle and that was really exciting. A.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I've never been to a castle. B. You just feel
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: like so much energy. There's like so many things that
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: can come through.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's exciting. That's awesome.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. As far as like things that have happened, I
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: mean they're just voices, you know, or get confirmation and
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you ask a question, you get confirmation, right, because things move,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: you might see things.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Nothing that was like terrifying to you, like nothing see
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that makes me actually kind of I mean, you know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, well, you know because sometimes you
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: hear you watch on TV and someone gets bit Oh yeah, no.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing like that. But I do when I go
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: by myself, Like if I go with the team and
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I'm in my in the hotel room by myself and
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: we're staying at the location, I sleep with the lights on.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Sometimes well we.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Do, okay, So I have to tell you this, it's
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: so crazy. So I didn't go to an investigation, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I went to the paranormal Oh I don't want para.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: It's invertal Utah. It's by the Skinwalker ranch. It's called
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: oh Pair of Something con and and like all of
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Skinwalk Bigfoot people are there on the big See I'm
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: like totally ruining all this for everybody because I don't
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: know the specifics, but the guy who does the people
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: who are on the Bigfoot show they're there, and then
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the Skinwalk garage people are there. So I went last
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: year by just being there, like in my hotel room
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: that night, I had this one of the scariest moments
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and experiences, a paranormal experience, and I fully believe it's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: because that energy was there. Do you know what, like
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: when you go back to what you're saying. When you're
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in a paranormal investigation and then you go back to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: your hotel room and you have these experiences, that's yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened at this phenomenon, I think is
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: what it's called in vernally Utah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, So that I totally relate with that, and so
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that's kind of why I'm like, I'm kind of dabbling
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit in paranormal stuff, but I kind of
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: like I'm taking it easy. They're probably try one of
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: my glasses and learn how to do this. Carrie.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm the freddy cat though, but I mean,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I admit it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: One of those that I'm like, Okay, I tell you this.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I love doing it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: But I do get scared sometimes and not there's really
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: nothing to be scared of.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: It's just you know, what I find most fascinating about
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you is when I was taking that class with Cindy Kesa,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and she talked about how a lot of her times
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that she would go to the places, she'd actually automatic
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: right at the places. Yes, yes, And I thought, oh
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: my gosh, that would be do automatic writing at the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: place because I always thought, because you know, when you've
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: never done them, you don't know, And so I always
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: thought you just had to kind of like the medium
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: had to kind of just feel what was going on.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, at automatic writing would be perfect during
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: one of those things. Do you do you do automatic
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: writing in your classes or do you do any of that.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Stuff we do? We do sometimes practice. I haven't done it,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: like investigating paranormal, but yeah, that's such a great way
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: to do, you know, It's.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Like something to try. Huh. Yeah. The win is, so,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: do you have any like cool paranormal stuff coming up
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: or are you just focusing on your on your classes
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: right now?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I don't have any cool paranormal stuff coming up right now.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I wish I did.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe I shake it together and go do one.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so much like the Yeah, that would be fun.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: So if you so, what would you tell somebody? And
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that may be a hard question because I just like
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: off the you know, because but what would you tell
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: somebody who is beginning their psychic mediumship and they don't
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: want to do their readings like I do all the time.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: They want to go into psychic investigation or they want
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: to go into the paranormal. What would you tell them?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Because I know a lot of people one have fear fears.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing fear of being wrong of well sure, yeah,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: fear of being wrong of the information that they get,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and fear of just being having it be scary, right,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: like being scared and having these things happen. So what
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: would your biggest advice where to start?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I always say just jump in because that's the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: only way you're going to know. And I think people
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: really surprise themselves with the hits they get, right, validation
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: they get, and it's just practicing, like what I had
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a class yesterday, because only yesterday, and you know, some
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: of the people are like, well, I used to get
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: this sign, but now there's something. Oh I used to
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: get blackbirds and that meant circainly meant somebody was past
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: like out in the open and she said, now I'm
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: getting the blackbirds and white birds. So yesterday we were
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out what that meant. So it's always
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: adding to your toolbox. It's like, honestly, half the time,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know a lot of times were wrong.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You know what that's you're wrong?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Yep. And I tell people yep that I tell people
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: all the time that no, no reading is ever one
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: hundred percent accurate. Ever, Like, sometimes we are wrong because
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: we're interpreting right. We see the signs and we see
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the symbols, but we may interpret it wrong. And so
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that's kind of where it's on the sitter or the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: other to help us figure, to help us figure out
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: what it's actually what it's actually saying, What what spirit's
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: actually trying to tell us? So, what did did you
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: figure out what the white birds were?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: No, we didn't have time. The classes go by so
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: so fast. But we will because she takes classes from
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: from me, you know, regularly, So we'll figure it out,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you know. And half of us are going to say
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: do you If I say, do you feel they're alive?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Half we're going to raise their hand and yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: It's something she's going to have to figure out on
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: her own through disease. But but help with help.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but but it's just it's not like you just
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: go in and just like immediately decide.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It takes takes time. Yeah, because when some of my
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: symbols and stuff changed, and when I do readings right,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: try and figure out, Like I'll tell the sitter straight out,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I've never seen this signed in a reading before, so
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what this is or what this means,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: so I have to explain to them exactly what I'm
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: seeing so maybe they understand it, or hopefully in the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: future they'll understand it. Right, So it's kind of similar
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to that. Well, now this has kind of got me
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: a little bit into maybe like interested, you should.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Come to a class, I know, so so tell people,
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: So tell people like what the class like, So what
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: the what some of the classes are like?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: And then where they can find you or where where
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: what like some of the things that they where they
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: can find you online or and things like that, like
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: where would they look for you?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, of course, Well, my website is medium Kelly Kristen
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: dot com. It's in but I'm sure you'll get.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: In that ye that put it down on this I'll
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: show I'll put it in the show notes for everybody
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to see. And you also have the Third Ice Sleuth
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: one too.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, And and just the investigation classes are on my
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: website so you can see that.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Third Eye Sleuth is where I make up cases and
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's like it's a subscription. But you can
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: try it for free. And so each month I drop
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: a new case, and you know, I videotape myself explaining
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: things and then they're broken down like into little chunks.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I guess you would say, you make them up?
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Are they're real? Ones that know they're real? They're real? Okay, Okay,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: so they're real?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, And you know, the challenge is finding
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: ones that people don't know about, but it's doable. So
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: when they go through, like even the very first thing
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I ask him is try to feel in if we're
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: working with a male or female today, like that simple,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: and then the next video, I'll tell them today we're
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: working with a mail, you know, and then we go
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: on we do that psychometry with the photo.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: So I have a question too about that because I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: know some people get so nervous. So do you kind
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of just let them do they have to tell you
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: what they're thinking? Or do they or do you let
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: them kind of figure out things on there? Because I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people they don't like to go
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: into these classes because they're so afraid of being wrong, right,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: So they don't like to go into these classes and
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: be like I'm getting a mail and then be wrong.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So do you kind of like let them figure it out.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: On their own a little bit? I love that for
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: them first starting out right, Yeah, this.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Is actually a subscription, so they do this all on
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: their own. Nice, I'm just recorded, and then they can
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I ask them, I advise them to write down their
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: finding so they can figure out how they're growing, or
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: how different cases feel, because you know, an old case
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: is going to feel a lot different than someone that's
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: missing now, you know, or each case feels different, and
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: so it's like a it's.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Kind of like a murder mystery every month. Yes, that's
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: so awesome. I love that. So do you have different
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: tiers of that or do you have like different on
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Patreon or is it different?
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: No, it's on that website. It's on the website, okay, okay,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: And so if you click on that, you know, you
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: read through and it'll pop up where you can get
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: a free a free case for free to try it
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and see if you like it. Yeah, you like it
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and if you don't, you don't. So yes, I have
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a tier two where they are they get to I
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: get a Q and a once a month where they
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: can ask me about that case or any other case.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: They're working on, or any questions about them progressing? What
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: else do I have on the Tier two? Like it's
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: something else. I'm drying a blank.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: That's on these podcasts. You always I do the same thing.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Well I put on this point I can't remember, but yeah,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: they can go also too, can they like cancel any
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: time after the problem month or so they're not like
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: stuck in a membership ever through two a year.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that myself. Yeah, so you just
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: you just go and if you don't like it it's
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: not for you, then you.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: That's like the coolest thing ever. I've never even heard
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: of that. So how did you just decide? Well, spirit
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: obviously was just like this is what you need to do, right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I signed up. I always have fear of
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: missing out, So like the night before I signed up
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: for this class, a six week class, and it was hard.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: So I built it during that class. It was a
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: great experience. But technical stuff.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Is not my yah. That's the thing that get mediums
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: is the technical stuff. Luckily, I am just really good
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: at technical things. So I just came back a lot
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: of times some because because we're so like wanting up
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: here that that's the grounding stuff is what we don't
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: really love to do. But luckily I just kind of
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I just kind of know. But yeah, that's what stops
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. That's awesome though, that you take
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the class and did it. I think that's really cool.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, I have no idea what funnels are.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Now I do, but I didn't know how to build
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: one or use them. That kind of stuff is not
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: in my toolbox.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's not. Everybody.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I did it, so I have it. So they come
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: with that. Yeah, I think it's fun. It's it's fun
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: to do, and.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I bet it is. I bet it is. Actually. So
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: do you have any so besides the third Ice Louth
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and some of your classes that they can find on
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: your website, do you have any events coming up or
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: anything like you awesome?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: So, so I have like a twelve week mentorship, a
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Psychic Investigation mentorship, and I was so lucky to get
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: fabulous guests to come. They're going to present the first
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: hour and it's a three hour class and so I
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: have the first one is going to be law enforcement,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: so they can figure out find out how what is
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: because it's always a question, I get why is it
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: law enforcement? Doing anything. You know, there's a reason, right,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: we just don't know where it is right to tell
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: us what that is? Yes, And just how they go
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: about finding a missing person? What do they do first,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: you know, et cetera. I have a handwriting someone who's
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: handwriting analysis, so she'll bring in like I don't know
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: what she's going to bring in, but like I know
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: online she has she's compared the note for John Bene
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Ramsey case, you know, So, yeah, that's gonna be fun.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I have someone doing forensic astrology.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I've never you're the first time I've heard about that.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: So that's so interesting. I love. I'll probably look into
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that too soon. Yeah, that's awesome. So they're gonna so
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: all these you're gonna have these different speakers for this
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: event for this there again.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Sorry, it starts on September eighth. Nice, So they'll start,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: they'll like present what they're good at, and then the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: rest of the time we're going to practice that skill
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: with real cases.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: How fun is that? That's kind okay? So I will
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: admit that's kind of the puzzle piece in me, Like
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I love. That's why I love reading so much. It's
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: because I love to try and put it together. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: love to try and put the pieces together, like like
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: sometimes I would love chemistry just because I would like
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to figure it out. I'd figure out that. So that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: would actually be cool because that sounds like you'd put
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: all those pieces and habit kind of put it together,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: put to put the puzzle pieces together, right right?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so cool, so cool. So do you have like
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a limit? Is it getting full? I mean.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I just put it up not too long ago. It's not.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: But early Bird is right now and I mean it's
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: twelve twelve classes, so eight this is all o yes
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: online and then a one one hour class I think
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: twice a month where they can come and ask me
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: any questions or we can talk about what they practice.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: So the idea is they're going to practice frid Astrology
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: on their own and then come to the class and
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: like answer questions.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: So right now is early Bird until the eighteenth, and
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: it's only four hundred and forty four.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: That's the pretension that is so awesome.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think it's going to be great. I'm
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: really excited about it. And my hope is that then
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: next spring I'll add another section, you know, like something different,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: but continuing.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Continuing so they can always like get more.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I love it because I have had a couple of
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: students of mine that do want to go into forensics,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and I don't know where to send them or I
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: don't know where to. I mean, the only forensic medium
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I've ever even heard of that talked about what she
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: did was like Jennifer Schaffer. But I don't even know
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: if she like does classes or stuff anymore. I don't know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and so I don't think I haven't seen any So
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I think this is perfect because I have lots of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: students who are like, well, I kind of want to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: do forensic and I'd be like, I have no clue
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: where to go for for forensic stuff. So so this
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: is great that I could send them to you and
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you have this this like all of this stuff for them,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and I even actually might do it just because I'm
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: interested too. I might just be like, hey, I want
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: to try. That depends on me. It depends on what
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I'm doing when the retreat is when all this stuff
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: is so yeah interesting. I well, first off, I want
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to thank you for coming because this has been so
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: knowledgeable for me. And I know my listeners too, I
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: know they're just like loving this because sometimes they'll be like,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: why don't you do that part? And now they know why,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: but now they know, maybe I might step into that
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit. So it's been so amazing and I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: loved having you. I love having you on. I will
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: put all of your information in the show notes. And
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: is there anything last minute that you just want to
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: say or let you know? I this is so hard
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: because you're just like, I don't know, I don't know.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: They put you on this spot, right, just if you.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: If you want to try it, try it, you know.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I do like a free and I should do
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that soon, maybe like a free like our ask me
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: any questions about it, like if you have you know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: if you're having I think you may want to do it,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: but you're not sure, right, so it'll be good.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, Well I'll put all of your information down.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It's been such an awesome Thanks for having you on.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I love it and I hopefully you know, people will
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: come if they're interested, and it'll be it'll be a
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: good experience. Thank you so much for being here.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you