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Savannah Guthrie Mom Missing: Day 24 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Hi there, coming on to say, it is day twenty
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Speaker 2: four since our mom was taken in the dark of
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Speaker 2: night from her bed, and every hour and minute, and
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Speaker 2: second and every long night has been agony since then.
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Speaker 3: Of.
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Speaker 2: Worrying about her, and fearing for her, aching for her,
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Speaker 2: and most of all just missing her, missing her. We
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Speaker 2: know that millions of you have been praying. So many
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Speaker 2: people have been praying, of every faith and no faith
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Speaker 2: at all, praying for her return, and we feel those prayers.
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Speaker 2: Please keep praying without ceasing. We still believe, We still
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Speaker 2: believe in a miracle. We still believe that she can
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Speaker 2: come home. Hope against hope, as my sister says, we
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Speaker 2: are blowing on the embers of hope. We also know
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Speaker 2: that she may be lost, She may already be gone.
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Speaker 2: She may have already gone home to the Lord that
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Speaker 2: she loves and is dancing in heaven with her mom
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Speaker 2: and her dad and with her beloved brother Appears and
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Speaker 2: with our Daddy. Yes, and if this is what is
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Speaker 2: to be, then we will accept it.
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Speaker 3: But we need to know where she is. We need
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Speaker 3: her to come home.
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Speaker 2: For that reason, we are offering a family reward of
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Speaker 2: up to one million dollars for any information that leads
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Speaker 2: us to her recovery. All of the information about this
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Speaker 2: reward and the details is in the caption below. You
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Speaker 2: can call the one hundred tip line. You can be
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Speaker 2: anonymous if you want. Someone out there knows something that
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Speaker 2: can bring her home. Somebody knows. We are begging you
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Speaker 2: to please come forward.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: We also know that we are not alone in our loss.
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Speaker 2: We know there are millions of families that have suffered
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Speaker 2: with this kind of uncertainty, and for that reason, today
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Speaker 2: we also are donating five hundred thousand dollars to the
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Speaker 2: National Center for Missing and Exploited Children for their work
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Speaker 2: and helping families who are coping with loss and actively
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Speaker 2: looking for those who are lost. We are hoping that
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Speaker 2: the attention that has been given to our mom and
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Speaker 2: our family will extend to all the families like ours
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Speaker 2: who are in need and need prayers and need support.
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Speaker 2: So please, if you hear this message, if you've been
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Speaker 2: waiting and you haven't been sure, let this be your
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Speaker 2: sign to please come forward, tell what you know and
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Speaker 2: help us bring our beloved mom home so that we
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Speaker 2: can either celebrate a glorious miraculous homecoming, or celebrate the beautiful, brave,
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Speaker 2: and courageous and noble life that she has lived.
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Speaker 3: Please be the light in the dark. Thank you, our friend.
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Speaker 1: Savannah in a heart breaking plea for help, not just
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Speaker 1: combining with her family to offer up to one million
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Speaker 1: dollars reward for information leading to her mother, but also
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Speaker 1: donating five hundred thousand dollars to the National Center for
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Speaker 1: Missing and Exploited Children. And in her pain, her pain,
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Speaker 1: her immense pain, she mentions other people that are suffering tonight.
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Speaker 1: Whoever knows about Nancy Guthrie's where about, that sees that
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Speaker 1: and does not act, must have a heart of stone.
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Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie missing, Day twenty four of
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Speaker 1: agony for the family. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. What can we learn from this video?
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Speaker 4: How did this person get in? How did they exit?
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there had to be two people, But
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Speaker 1: I think this is going to be the tip of
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Speaker 1: the iceberg.
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Speaker 4: We're going to see more.
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Speaker 5: We're going to have a better idea.
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Speaker 4: As to what happened.
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Speaker 6: Here.
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Speaker 1: At Crime Stories, in conjunction with you. Yes, we read
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Speaker 1: every tweet, every Facebook, every Insta have been wondering about
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Speaker 1: the two guys, or the two outfits, or the same
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Speaker 1: guy with and without a backpack. How did that happen?
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Speaker 1: We have speculated, we have discussed it, we have analyzed
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Speaker 1: it repeatedly. Why when I'm trying a case, I lead
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Speaker 1: with my strongest evidence in opening statements and putting a
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Speaker 1: witness up on the stand in closing statements. I hit it,
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Speaker 1: hit it, hit it, and quit it. That's almost all
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Speaker 1: we have is the video of the porch guy. But
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you it's not all that there is. In
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Speaker 1: multiple cases, one piece of evidence can reveal so much,
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Speaker 1: and that is why everyone is combing over and over
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Speaker 1: and over the porch video. Let's see the two guy
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Speaker 1: is I still don't think it's two guys, but two guys.
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Speaker 1: It was argued specifically originally by Dave Mac two guys,
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Speaker 1: one with a back back, one without one, seeing both
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Speaker 1: of them seemingly similarly outfitted. But now a new theory
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Speaker 1: has emerged. The new theory is that image was from
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Speaker 1: an earlier Skulking episode. Okay, Dave Mack joining us Crime
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Speaker 1: stories investigative reporter, what do we know? And don't tell
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Speaker 1: me what Nanos is saying. Okay, don't care right now
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Speaker 1: about that. Just tell me what we know.
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Speaker 6: Well, you and Nancy.
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Speaker 5: The videos from the front porch are not timestamped, so
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Speaker 5: we don't know as the layers of this video are pulled.
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Speaker 5: It's kind of like painting on a house, where a
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Speaker 5: house gets painted year after year and it has layers
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Speaker 5: of paint.
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Speaker 6: The same thing is true here with the video.
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Speaker 5: They're having to pull back the video layer by layer
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Speaker 5: and lightly peeling it apart, and they cannot get a
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Speaker 5: time stamp. We don't know the daytime or anything. We
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Speaker 5: only know what we're watching in front of us. There
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Speaker 5: you see the guy with the gloves and the backpack
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Speaker 5: and the gun holster and all that with the weeds.
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Speaker 5: The other picture could have come from the same night,
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Speaker 5: the same time, or on another day, and that's what
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Speaker 5: is being speculated about. We have been watching this since
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Speaker 5: the very beginning. Our team in New York had these
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Speaker 5: separated early on. It seems like we're the only ones
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Speaker 5: that have been paying attention to having two separate looking
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Speaker 5: photos of the alleged kidnapper at this point, So everything
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Speaker 5: is speculation, Nancy, I could still be right. They could
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Speaker 5: be brothers, or it could be the same guy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So now you've thrown in that they're not just
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Speaker 1: identically dressed, that they're brothers.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you've deciphered that crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace straight out to special guests joining us. You
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Speaker 1: know him well now, Scott Iiker. He is a digital
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Speaker 1: and forensics expert. Founding member and I say it every
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Speaker 1: night because I cannot stress it enough. Founding member of
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Speaker 1: the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team. What is that anachronism? Cast?
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Speaker 1: C ast? What does it mean? They are responsible for
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Speaker 1: doing the data dump, getting all the cell phone data
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Speaker 1: Wi Fi data that was a in Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood
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Speaker 1: at the time she goes missing, and more people are
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Speaker 1: amassing it, and then they have other agents analyzing it.
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Speaker 1: He is now a precision cellular analysis Scott. Not only
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Speaker 1: that homicide in Norfolk, Virginia twelve years Scott, what do
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Speaker 1: you make of what Dave Mack just explained. I believe
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Speaker 1: he's referring to the scratching process that you first told
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Speaker 1: us about.
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Speaker 4: Yes, he is referring to the scratching process.
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Speaker 8: Now, you remember, initially the sheriff's office said they couldn't
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Speaker 8: get the video because the Guthrie's did not have any
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Speaker 8: subscription to that Nest camera system at their house. Well,
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Speaker 8: Cass kind of came in later on and at their
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Speaker 8: sheriff's request, dug into that. And we've had experience dealing
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Speaker 8: with Google, and we know Google very well.
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Speaker 4: From what are the other things we do.
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Speaker 8: We went back to Google and said, hey, look, even
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Speaker 8: though it's not being in there's no subscription, and it's
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Speaker 8: not on the family's phones, is it hiding somewhere in
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Speaker 8: your system? They were able to dig deep into the
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Speaker 8: cloud related to the camera at the front door and
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Speaker 8: pull this video. The problem was no timestamps, no date stamps.
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Speaker 8: So that's where we're running into with this speculation on
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Speaker 8: whether this second guy was there days before, hours before,
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Speaker 8: or that that other picture is after the guy was
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Speaker 8: on the porch with the gun. We just don't know
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Speaker 8: when it occurred, so we're making speculation on, you know,
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Speaker 8: the sequence of events.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's analyze it both ways. Okay, guys, this is
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Speaker 1: what you have to do when you try case you
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Speaker 1: have to take a piece of evidence and figure out
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Speaker 1: what can I prove, if anything, of what probative or
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Speaker 1: evidentiary value is it? Okay, we've got two images. To me,
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Speaker 1: sense is it was the same night, So let's go
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Speaker 1: with that possibility. If it's the same night, it's either
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Speaker 1: two people dressed the same, which is highly doubtful in
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Speaker 1: my mind, not to Dave Mack, but in my mind.
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Speaker 1: But in one photo he has the backpack and the
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Speaker 1: other he doesn't. What does that prove to me? It
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Speaker 1: proves he got the backpack from somewhere. Did he have
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Speaker 1: a car waiting? Can we get the car on video?
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Speaker 1: Is there an accomplice in the car? Also the time,
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Speaker 1: did he come up and skulk around earlier and then
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Speaker 1: go back and get the backpack because he definitely had
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Speaker 1: the backpack when he was entering or trying to enter
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Speaker 1: the door and take down the door cam. That tells me,
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Speaker 1: think get through everybody. Hey, I'm not your school teacher.
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Speaker 6: Jump in.
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Speaker 1: If you have an idea, for Pete's sake, you're the
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Speaker 1: brain trust. That tells me if this occurred on the
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Speaker 1: same night that the backpack photo was second because he
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Speaker 1: was entering with the backpack. So he was there skulking
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Speaker 1: earlier without the backpack. Okay, Scott, Iker follow it through
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Speaker 1: to its logical conclusion. What does that, if anything, tell you?
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Speaker 1: We can't just sit here and look at the pictures
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Speaker 1: and not figure it out for Pete's sake. So what
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Speaker 1: do you glean from that? Iker?
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Speaker 8: What I gleaned from that is a little bit different
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Speaker 8: than you, Nancy. I see the first time he comes up,
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Speaker 8: he's has the backpack, he has the gun, and he
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Speaker 8: gets the bush.
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Speaker 4: He then gets into the house.
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Speaker 8: In my mind, after wearing all that stuff, he's gone
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Speaker 8: back out, leaving the backpack in the house. Temporarily, he's
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Speaker 8: gone back out, and he's coming back to the doorway
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Speaker 8: without the backpack, and they capture him again.
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Speaker 4: Because why would you why would he come come with
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Speaker 4: them with that?
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Speaker 1: He's coming back to the scene.
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Speaker 4: What, No, he's coming in and out.
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Speaker 8: He's probably either dealing with Nancy and getting her in
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Speaker 8: and out and getting his stuff in and out, or
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Speaker 8: he's dealing with his accomplice that he's meeting outside and
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Speaker 8: coming back and forth.
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Speaker 5: Okay, Dave, I think the same thing I I Nancy.
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Speaker 6: I'm looking at this a little bit different.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, look around. Uh, you're not in
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Speaker 1: your den at home watching TV with your children. You're
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Speaker 1: on crime stories. You can't say what he said? No,
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Speaker 1: have an original thought? What think usc.
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Speaker 4: All?
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Speaker 6: Right?
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Speaker 5: Look, when they reached out to neighbors, investigators reached out
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Speaker 5: to neighbors for videotape surveillance film January eleventh, nine p
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Speaker 5: This could be the reason right here.
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Speaker 6: Maybe they already.
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Speaker 5: Knew the suspect had been in the hood looking around
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Speaker 5: and on that day and time, they want to see
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Speaker 5: if they can find this guy walking in the neighborhood,
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Speaker 5: driving his car, what have you.
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Speaker 6: But that could have been from that night.
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Speaker 5: Again, purely speculation, but it could be the same guy
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Speaker 5: on a different night, and that could be the answer
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Speaker 5: to the question why do they want video from January eleventh,
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Speaker 5: nine pm to midnight?
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Speaker 1: That's not pure speculation, Dave Mack, that is an educated opinion.
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Speaker 3: There's a big difference.
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Speaker 1: You're not just reading the tea leaves or looking at
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Speaker 1: a crystal ball. You're applying what you know to the
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Speaker 1: facts that you're seeing. And I think that's a very
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Speaker 1: good theory. Okay, straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, We've
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Speaker 1: got two routes we can take with these photos. One
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Speaker 1: it was from an earlier date when he was skulking around,
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Speaker 1: which shows premeditation to the mac it also Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: if true, if it is from an earlier date, that
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Speaker 1: gives us a bigger window of obtaining evidence. And what
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Speaker 1: I mean by that is, if he was there on
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Speaker 1: an earlier date, maybe he didn't hide his vehicles so
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Speaker 1: well because he was just skulking and casing. Maybe he
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Speaker 1: I don't know, walked in front of other cameras. Maybe
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Speaker 1: he had a cell phone turned on that evening. It
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Speaker 1: could be a wealth of information if it was an
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Speaker 1: earlier stakeout, see what I mean. But what does it
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Speaker 1: tell you, guys? Doctor Bethany Marshall is renounced psychoanalyst, joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Beverly Hills tonight. She's the author of
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Speaker 1: deal Breaker. You can see her on Peacock and you
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Speaker 1: can find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. She spends
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Speaker 1: her life analyzing people's behavior. So what would that mean
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Speaker 1: to you? Let's go with Dave's theory if he had
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Speaker 1: been there before on an earlier date.
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Speaker 9: Well, it tells me first of all that he has
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Speaker 9: a preoccupation with Nancy Guthrie. As I've discussed with you before,
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Speaker 9: this is somebody who is fascinated by her for some reason.
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Speaker 9: Either he's targeted her before he knows he's going to talk.
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Speaker 1: He just wants money.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's what I mean, like a big payday of
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Speaker 9: some sort. And Nancy, there's somebody very odd about his
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Speaker 9: body language. I cannot quite put my finger on it.
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Speaker 9: It's as if he's nonchalant in some strange way, and
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Speaker 9: it makes me as interested in what we're not seeing
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Speaker 9: as what we're seeing. What are we not seeing? We're
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Speaker 9: not seeing how he's casing the rest of the house,
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Speaker 9: We're not seeing what he's doing with that backpack? Does
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Speaker 9: he have it on and then he sets it in
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Speaker 9: the dirt and then he puts it back on again,
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Speaker 9: sets it in the dirt. Is he sending it down,
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Speaker 9: opening it, closing it? What does that tell us about evidence?
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Speaker 9: What is in that backpack? What about the sloppy gun
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Speaker 9: that is just hanging over his crutch. What does he
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Speaker 9: actually think he is going to do with that gun?
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Speaker 9: Obviously there is nothing but an eighty four year old
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Speaker 9: woman in that house. Why does he keep touching it?
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Speaker 9: Why does he think he's going to need it? There
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Speaker 9: are no police officers around at that time of night.
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Speaker 9: So what's the relationship between the gun, chasing the house
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Speaker 9: and abducting an eighty four?
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Speaker 1: I think I know the answer to that. Bethany, remember
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Speaker 1: Richard Allen and del Phi who jacked the gun in
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Speaker 1: front of the little girls, Abby and Libby to scare them.
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Speaker 1: An idiot that he was didn't realize he jacked out
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Speaker 1: a bullet, and that bullet was traced back to that
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Speaker 1: gun in his home. It's intimidation technique. But while she
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Speaker 1: was talking, Scott Iiker, I had a thought, and I'm
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Speaker 1: going to disagree with you, which you know, I enter
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Speaker 1: this disagreement with trepidation because you're the cast expert. But
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Speaker 1: you said the first trip was going to the door
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Speaker 1: cam with the gun on, and then putting all that
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Speaker 1: away and coming back in. I disagree. And this is
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Speaker 1: why something Bethany just said. I think he had the
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Speaker 1: gun for intimidation purposes, and he went in to intimidate
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Speaker 1: her and take her out with the gun. And I
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Speaker 1: don't think he would have put that gun down as
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Speaker 1: long as he was in the middle of the kidnap.
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Speaker 1: Just that's food for thought. Just percolate on that, Just
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Speaker 1: think about that. Guys. There's two alternatives. One this photo
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Speaker 1: was from earlier and it may coincide, as Dave Max said,
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Speaker 1: with when the share Garoffs asked for video surveillance from
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Speaker 1: everybody's cam around January eleven. Now, remember she was taken
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Speaker 1: in their early morning hours Feb one, right, So this
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Speaker 1: proves if it was that date, that he had been
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Speaker 1: planning this for a long time. And it shifts the paradigm.
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Speaker 1: It shifts the investigation as to searching for finding those clothes,
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Speaker 1: searching for the purchase of the gun, the holster, the
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Speaker 1: ski mask, the whole shebang would move back a month.
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Speaker 1: See what I mean Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. And
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Speaker 1: I'm also curious, I'll circle back with you Iker on this.
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Speaker 1: How do we mind Amazon? If they were if these
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Speaker 1: items were all purchased on Amazon, would it be easier
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Speaker 1: to do that or to get from a brick and
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Speaker 1: mortar a Walmart? Just standing there anyway? And guys, really,
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Speaker 1: so many things, so many fragments. That's why you have
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Speaker 1: to have a big blackboard to write it all, write
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Speaker 1: it on to keep up with it all the gun
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Speaker 1: You really think he walked into ye old gun shoppy
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Speaker 1: and bought it? No, he probably got it somewhere where
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Speaker 1: he would not have to give ID, where it couldn't
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Speaker 1: be traced. I don't know somehow at a gun shop
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Speaker 1: from a friend, a stolen weapon black market. Don't know that,
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Speaker 1: but I guarantee you I think the odds are really
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Speaker 1: low that he walked in with his ID and went hey,
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Speaker 1: can I buy a gun? I don't think that happened.
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Speaker 1: But back to the photos. That's what we're learning tonight.
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Speaker 1: Also for those of you just joining us, Savannah Guthrie,
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Speaker 1: look at her, exhausted, at her last plea, her last plea,
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Speaker 1: the family offering a million dollar reward lord and donating
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Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars to the National Center for Missing
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Speaker 1: and Exploited Children.
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Speaker 2: Coming on to say, it is day twenty four since
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Speaker 2: our mom was taken in the dark of night from
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Speaker 2: her bed, and every hour and minute and second and
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Speaker 2: every long night has been agony since then, of worrying
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Speaker 2: about her, and fearing for her, aching for her, and
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Speaker 2: most of all just missing her.
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Speaker 3: Missing her. We know that millions of you have been praying.
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Speaker 2: So many people have been praying of every faith and
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Speaker 2: no faith at all, praying for her return, and we
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Speaker 2: feel those prayers. Please keep praying without ceasing. We still believe,
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Speaker 2: We still believe in America, We still believe that she
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Speaker 2: can come home. We are an hour of desperation.
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Speaker 4: And we need your help.
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Speaker 1: What happened? Was this really a kidnapping? Totally terrifying situation.
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Speaker 9: You don't know what is real what is fake at
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Speaker 9: this point.
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Speaker 4: This criminal did mess up somewhere and they will be hot.
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Speaker 1: Also another distressing fact coming forward tonight as Savannah Guthrie
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Speaker 1: gives an emotional plea just exhausted Haggard begging for help,
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Speaker 1: even mentioning that the family has considered that Missus Guthrie
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Speaker 1: has passed on, and when she said that, it nearly.
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Speaker 3: Broke my heart.
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Speaker 1: Quoting Thessalonians pray without ceasing. I'm certainly no biblical scholar,
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Speaker 1: but I believe that's that Thessalonians quote pray without ceasing.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how anybody can hear that
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Speaker 1: and not try to discern the answer about what happened
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Speaker 1: to Nancy Gufrie and where she is tonight now I'm
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Speaker 1: going to take you to the next fragment of evidence
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Speaker 1: we've gotten, and that is a woman screaming heard and
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Speaker 1: reported to nine one one around the time that Nancy
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Speaker 1: went missing. But I want to finish up with what
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Speaker 1: we were talking about Dave Matt regarding the two photos
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Speaker 1: the man with a backpack and without a backpack. Haven't
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Speaker 1: we heard from either Nanos or Patel regarding that there
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Speaker 1: is no evidence, no hard evidence it's from an earlier
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Speaker 1: date or is there no.
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Speaker 5: We're actually it's all speculation as to win this. This
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Speaker 5: photo was taken Nancy, it could be from an earlier date,
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Speaker 5: it could be from a minute before. I say they
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Speaker 5: investigators have yet to be able to determine it because
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Speaker 5: you really get into no timestamp, no date, there's no
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Speaker 5: nothing on there.
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Speaker 1: Just okay, so they're saying there's nothing to prove or
25:23
Speaker 1: disprove the theory. Bottom line, that's a yes, not dirrect,
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Speaker 1: got it? Okay. I want to move on to another
25:31
Speaker 1: tidbit of information. And you never know how small or
25:35
Speaker 1: how large a piece of the puzzle you have.
25:39
Speaker 6: Mind.
25:40
Speaker 1: I want you to hear this nine to one one call.
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Speaker 7: Listen for it's going to be a corbling river so
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Speaker 7: close erasing the sew a female out of a vehicle windows, screaming,
25:51
Speaker 7: then it went north on an oracle. So the vehicle
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Speaker 7: is a dirty or blue Chevy Malibu, no plate ex raised.
25:58
Speaker 7: That's the female's hand of the window where all black
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Speaker 7: and the door was also open.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Dave Matt, that's a shocker.
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Speaker 6: What is that?
26:06
Speaker 5: That is actually a nine one one dispatch describing a
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Speaker 5: caller saying that they're at two one to two o
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Speaker 5: four in the morning. A woman is seen being screaming
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Speaker 5: for her life out of a window. The door is open,
26:22
Speaker 5: it's going down the road. And by the way, this
26:24
Speaker 5: takes place about three miles from Nancy Guthrie's home at
26:29
Speaker 5: the exact time. We are concerned about Nancy Guthrie's well
26:33
Speaker 5: being in that moment, in that minute. That's what's being described.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 5: I don't know about you, but Tucson at two o'clock
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Speaker 5: in the morning is crazy, apparently, because this is a.
26:43
Speaker 6: Real call, real day and time. I've never heard of
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Speaker 6: anything like this in my life.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, her pacemaker disconnecting around two twenty eight am. Can
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Speaker 1: I hear the nine one one call one more time?
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Speaker 3: Please?
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Speaker 7: More serve me at Corflin River so close erasing me
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Speaker 7: for a female out of a vehicle windows screaming. Then
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Speaker 7: it went north on an oracle. So the vehicle with
27:08
Speaker 7: a dirt by or blue Chavy Malibu, no plate ex
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Speaker 7: raised that the female's hand of the window wearing all
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Speaker 7: black and the door was also open.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's what we're learning. And again, Dave mac tell
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Speaker 1: us the time that that occurred very.
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Speaker 6: Quickly two A one to two O four am.
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Speaker 1: Two one to two four am.
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Speaker 6: Correct.
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Speaker 1: And her pacemaker we believe disconnected around to twenty eight.
27:38
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
27:39
Speaker 6: Yes, that is the wind.
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Speaker 5: The bluetooth no longer connected from her pacemaker to her
27:43
Speaker 5: Apple Watch.
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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, this is what's happening now. Every piece of
27:49
Speaker 1: information is being examined like a Rubik's cube to all
27:54
Speaker 1: of you that are sending ideas, tips, photos, surveillance from
27:59
Speaker 1: the area. Don't stop, don't stop. We are combing through x, Twitter, Facebook, Insta.
28:11
Speaker 1: The reward is now up to one million dollars for
28:17
Speaker 1: information leading to the discovery of the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie. So,
28:21
Speaker 1: Dave Matt, what if anything can you tell me about
28:23
Speaker 1: the vehicle the woman was in.
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Speaker 5: All right, Nancy, it's a dark blue Malibu or Malibu's
28:30
Speaker 5: style card.
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Speaker 6: That's what's being described.
28:33
Speaker 5: When you look at the time period we're talking about
28:35
Speaker 5: tua one to two to four am February first, This
28:39
Speaker 5: is at the time where we believe the suspect the
28:42
Speaker 5: kidnappers are either getting into Nancy Guthrie's home or attempting
28:47
Speaker 5: to get in there.
28:50
Speaker 6: It just seems awfully suspicious to me that less than.
28:53
Speaker 5: Three miles away at the very time you would need
28:57
Speaker 5: a get away card to be heading towards on a
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Speaker 5: side of parking a car on the street where you
29:02
Speaker 5: know it's going to be seen. Let's just say, for
29:05
Speaker 5: the sake of argument, Nancy, that somebody was on their
29:08
Speaker 5: way to assist in the kidnapping, and somebody in the
29:12
Speaker 5: car finds out where are we going? We're going to
29:15
Speaker 5: finish this and she panics, freaks out and no we're not,
29:19
Speaker 5: starts screaming, bloody murder, Get me out of this car.
29:21
Speaker 5: I'm not part of this, you know. That's all I
29:24
Speaker 5: can think of.
29:24
Speaker 6: Because of the timing, this is obviously planned out.
29:27
Speaker 4: This is not your typical crime.
29:28
Speaker 3: We haven't had any proof of life.
29:30
Speaker 9: We haven't had any follow up communications about any of
29:33
Speaker 9: the brands of this could spiral out of control.
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Speaker 4: You can't rule anything out in this case.
29:37
Speaker 1: This is the hour of desperation.
29:39
Speaker 3: We believe our mom is still out there.
29:41
Speaker 1: We need your help. Savannah Guthrie issuing a heartbreaking plea,
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Speaker 1: the family combined together offering up to one million dollars
29:53
Speaker 1: reward for the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie. They are also
29:57
Speaker 1: donating five hundred thousand dollar to the National Center for
30:01
Speaker 1: Missing and Exploited Children. This in an effort to find
30:06
Speaker 1: their mom, and in her plea, Savannah highlights other missing
30:12
Speaker 1: people and touches on the pay that other families are
30:16
Speaker 1: suffering tonight. This as other video emerges. Let's see it,
30:23
Speaker 1: Dave Matt take a look at this and explain what
30:26
Speaker 1: we're seeing.
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Speaker 5: Dave, go, this is the same porch guy that we've
30:30
Speaker 5: been talking about, but this time it's a different place,
30:33
Speaker 5: a different angle, and as you can see, as he's walking,
30:36
Speaker 5: he has a very specific gait, a very specific stride.
30:40
Speaker 5: Watch as he is walking, he's got something tied around
30:43
Speaker 5: his waist. Is that a shirt jacket? This is from again,
30:50
Speaker 5: not the same house. We're not talking at the Guthries.
30:53
Speaker 5: It's a different place but in the same general area.
30:56
Speaker 5: So we've got him walking at night and again see
31:00
Speaker 5: there we go a very specific stroll as he's walking.
31:05
Speaker 5: It's odd, just odd to be walking at that time.
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Speaker 1: Yes, guys, we're getting that because we have been watching
31:13
Speaker 1: you from how Tech two on X how Tech two
31:18
Speaker 1: on X. Now, Dave, I guess you've gotten your crystal
31:21
Speaker 1: ball out yet again, and you can tell me without
31:25
Speaker 1: a doubt that that's the same guy that was on
31:26
Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie's porch. Oh, i'd have a field day with
31:29
Speaker 1: you on cross but you actually may be right. Where
31:31
Speaker 1: are you getting your deduction?
31:35
Speaker 6: I'm making it up.
31:36
Speaker 5: I'm seeing a guy dressed in very similar outfit to
31:40
Speaker 5: the man on camera.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say you're making it up?
31:45
Speaker 6: Well, I'm looking I'm.
31:48
Speaker 1: Did you just say you're making it up?
31:50
Speaker 6: Well? Okay, I mean I'm making up that.
31:52
Speaker 1: I'm hearing him, mute him, and I'm gonna let him
31:58
Speaker 1: think about what he just said, okay. In the meantime,
32:02
Speaker 1: while Dave is pondering his future straight out of scott
32:06
Speaker 1: icro joining US Digital expert, founding member of Salor analysis
32:11
Speaker 1: survey team with the FBI. You have thoughts on that,
32:14
Speaker 1: and actually, Dave Matt could very well be right. He
32:19
Speaker 1: could be right, but I want to hear your analysis.
32:23
Speaker 8: Well, when we're looking at that video there, you can't
32:26
Speaker 8: really tell if it's the same guy or not. But
32:29
Speaker 8: what I don't know is when was that taken? You know,
32:33
Speaker 8: was it close to near Nancy Guthrie's house. I was
32:37
Speaker 8: interesting to see after this person walks past the camera
32:41
Speaker 8: that a police car comes by, so someone called the
32:43
Speaker 8: cops on him and maybe he was identified. Is this
32:46
Speaker 8: one of the homeless encampment people that are walking around
32:50
Speaker 8: at night that just happened to be passing by this house.
32:53
Speaker 8: Either way, the important part is is neighbors or people
32:57
Speaker 8: in the area are providing their camera in information to
33:00
Speaker 8: the authorities. Hopefully not just on x as you said,
33:03
Speaker 8: this gentleman had posted, but they're posted and giving it
33:06
Speaker 8: to law enforcement so they can piece it together just
33:09
Speaker 8: to see if it's relevant or not.
33:13
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see him walk by again. Let me see
33:16
Speaker 1: that portion where he is walking by, if you can
33:19
Speaker 1: rack it back up there he goes. Look at that.
33:22
Speaker 1: Is he wearing a hoodie or is he wearing a
33:25
Speaker 1: baseball cap. He definitely has on a backpack with reflective
33:28
Speaker 1: lights on it. I can see them and they're on
33:31
Speaker 1: the shoulders just like the porch guy is he. Dave Mac,
33:36
Speaker 1: you're out, You're off probation. Let's see look at that again, Dave.
33:40
Speaker 1: Look at this is the jacket he's got wrapped around
33:46
Speaker 1: his waist, the one that he's later wearing in the
33:50
Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie porch video. I mean, you may not be
33:54
Speaker 1: half wrong, Dave Matc, but you're you're still on double
33:56
Speaker 1: secret probation Mac for saying you made something, But what
34:02
Speaker 1: else are you discerning from it? Very quickly?
34:06
Speaker 6: No, I was just really trying to point out Nancy.
34:09
Speaker 5: When we're looking at this video from the same neighborhood
34:13
Speaker 5: at night. As Lacher pointed out, you've got a police
34:16
Speaker 5: car actually turning around in the neighborhood. What are the
34:21
Speaker 5: odds that we've got multiple people on any night other
34:24
Speaker 5: than Halloween walking in a neighborhood at night, dressed up
34:28
Speaker 5: in a very similar outfit to the person we see
34:31
Speaker 5: later at one forty seven AM or thereabouts on Nancy
34:35
Speaker 5: Guthrie's front porch. It just doesn't seem like something that
34:40
Speaker 5: is a regular occurrence in most neighbors.
34:42
Speaker 1: Pretty low, Dave matt Os, Pretty low. How can it
34:47
Speaker 1: possibly be? Day twenty four? Are we any closer to
34:51
Speaker 1: finding missus? Nancy Guthrie straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall,
34:57
Speaker 1: renowned psycho alas joining us out of Beverly Hills, who
35:00
Speaker 1: has devoted hundreds of hours to analyzing this case. Doctor Bethany,
35:05
Speaker 1: have you considered a profile of the perp? Yes?
35:09
Speaker 9: I have, and not only that, I work with geriatrics,
35:13
Speaker 9: which is a term for older people, and the profile
35:16
Speaker 9: of a kidnapper who would kidnap an elderly person is
35:20
Speaker 9: very specific. It's different from say a kidnapper who would
35:24
Speaker 9: kidnap a child or a young adult. This person is
35:28
Speaker 9: likely what I would call a dangerous dependent. And what
35:32
Speaker 9: I mean by that is this is probably somebody who
35:35
Speaker 9: is a low wage earner and does not see themselves
35:38
Speaker 9: as responsible for their own lives financially, so they gravitate
35:42
Speaker 9: towards work or relationships with senior citizens where they can
35:47
Speaker 9: exploit them in very complex ways, say telling them I'm
35:52
Speaker 9: going to go to the grocery store and do your
35:53
Speaker 9: shopping for you. But then they take extra money for
35:56
Speaker 9: themselves or I'm going to do your banking for you,
35:59
Speaker 9: but then they deposit extra money into their own accounts.
36:03
Speaker 9: So what I would be looking at in this case
36:05
Speaker 9: is a kidnapper who works with senior citizens. Not necessarily
36:11
Speaker 9: in the Guthrie home because that has not been identified
36:14
Speaker 9: by the Sheriff's office, but maybe somebody who works in
36:18
Speaker 9: a local, say, caregiving facility, a convalescent home, a skilled
36:23
Speaker 9: nursing and who is well versed in how you can
36:28
Speaker 9: exploit senior citizens for financial gain.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Bethany amazing now joining us, a true expert in
36:40
Speaker 1: her field. Susannah Ryan joining us out of Redlands, California,
36:44
Speaker 1: LEB director, forensic DNA analyst at Pure Gold Forensics. She's
36:50
Speaker 1: a forensic DNA consultant at Ryan Forensics and believe it
36:53
Speaker 1: or not, twenty five years in forensic DNA and soerology. Susannah,
36:59
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for being with us. Big question,
37:02
Speaker 1: could you, in very rudimentary terms, for everybody that hasn't
37:07
Speaker 1: studied or experienced crime lab work, knew DNA was discovered
37:15
Speaker 1: in Nancy Guthrie's home when the FEDS came in to
37:18
Speaker 1: search that doesn't mean it was just deposited there. It
37:21
Speaker 1: means it was newly discovered. The first search did not
37:25
Speaker 1: reveal it. So my question is, how will authorities go
37:29
Speaker 1: about ruling out every worker, every crime scene investigator that
37:35
Speaker 1: had been in the home so we're not subjected to
37:39
Speaker 1: claims of cross contamination.
37:42
Speaker 10: Well, that can be done pretty simply by getting their
37:45
Speaker 10: DNA profile and doing a comparison to any developed DNA
37:49
Speaker 10: that we get from that crime scene. And I really
37:52
Speaker 10: don't see it as a problem. I think one of
37:54
Speaker 10: the things that you mentioned in the past is we
37:57
Speaker 10: don't have a suspect yet, so we're not DNA. We
38:01
Speaker 10: cannot create a DNA profile. Whatever is on that evidence
38:04
Speaker 10: is on there, we don't even have the suspects DNA
38:08
Speaker 10: to compare it to. So once we have that, if
38:10
Speaker 10: there's a match, we can't no one can say, oh, they,
38:15
Speaker 10: you know, somehow planted his DNA. We didn't have his DNA.
38:19
Speaker 10: So I really don't see it as a problem. I
38:21
Speaker 10: work on cold cases all the time where we have
38:24
Speaker 10: DNA that, you know, maybe was collected in the eighties
38:28
Speaker 10: or nineties, and we're just getting a profile today. That
38:31
Speaker 10: doesn't mean that we somehow created it. It's always been there.
38:35
Speaker 10: We're just developing the DNA profile at this time, so
38:40
Speaker 10: I don't see.
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Speaker 1: It as an at right. You know, while I've got you, Susannah,
38:44
Speaker 1: Susanna Ryan, before you go back into your lab, I
38:49
Speaker 1: got a question. Nanos stated that the DNA is mixed.
38:57
Speaker 1: You and many other labs deal with mixed DNA all
39:01
Speaker 1: the time. Yes, it's an obstacle, but it's not insurmountable.
39:07
Speaker 1: You have to analyze the DNA, separate the DNA, and
39:12
Speaker 1: then try to get a match. How do you separate
39:15
Speaker 1: mixed DNA. We're not in Stone Age times. It can
39:18
Speaker 1: be done. It's done every day.
39:20
Speaker 9: That's true.
39:21
Speaker 10: But this is what I think he's talking about is
39:25
Speaker 10: genetic genealogy and SNIPS. SNIPS which is single nucleotide polymorphisms,
39:30
Speaker 10: so we're looking at single base pair differences, so a
39:34
Speaker 10: lot of data. As compared to traditional DNA testing, that's
39:39
Speaker 10: a lot more difficult to deal with mixtures. So he
39:43
Speaker 10: hasn't come out and said that exactly. I think it's
39:45
Speaker 10: kind of lost in translation. But that's my opinion and
39:49
Speaker 10: what he's talking about and why he said the technology
39:52
Speaker 10: is advancing and in weeks or months or a year,
39:54
Speaker 10: we might be able to do something with it. I
39:57
Speaker 10: think he's talking about deconvo uting mixtures of snips, where
40:01
Speaker 10: we're just not there today. With we can deal with
40:04
Speaker 10: a little bit of a mixture. So if you had
40:06
Speaker 10: a major if you had a two person mixture and
40:09
Speaker 10: the major contributor was the suspect, that could be worked with.
40:15
Speaker 10: If the minor contributor is the suspect, they really can't
40:18
Speaker 10: do a lot with that right now with snips.
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Speaker 1: Well, Susanna Ryan, now I know what everyone wants you
40:24
Speaker 1: to testify for. Then you break down very complicated DNA
40:28
Speaker 1: issues and make it easy for people like us to understand. Again, everyone,
40:33
Speaker 1: if you know or think you know anything about the
40:36
Speaker 1: whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie, please dial toll free eight hundred
40:41
Speaker 1: two two five five three two four repeat eight hundred
40:45
Speaker 1: two two five five three two four, or if you
40:48
Speaker 1: wish to remain anonymous five two zero eight eight two
40:54
Speaker 1: seven four six three repeat five two zero eight eight
40:58
Speaker 1: two seven four six three. The Guthrie family has upped
41:02
Speaker 1: the reward to up to one million dollars. If it
41:09
Speaker 1: was your mother, would you want someone to come forward tonight?
41:18
Speaker 1: We remember an American hero, Deputy Shriff Hunter Ready, just
41:22
Speaker 1: twenty seven, shot and killed in the line of duty,
41:27
Speaker 1: leaving behind a wife now widow, and three little children.
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Speaker 1: American hero Deputy Shriff Hunter Reedy Nancy Gray signing off
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend.