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Stop! UFO! Don't Shoot! · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett and welcome to
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Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I've got
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Speaker 1: a pretty interesting episode.
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Speaker 2: For you today, I think.
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Speaker 1: I call it Stop UFO Don't Shoot. These are first-hand
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Speaker 1: cases in which people have shot guns at UFOs. What
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Speaker 1: happens when there's a UFO shootout? Well, it's pretty interesting actually.
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Speaker 1: I've got over 20 cases of this kind I'd like
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Speaker 1: to present them to you chronologically, starting with cases in
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Speaker 1: which people have shot at craft and moving to cases
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Speaker 1: involving actual humanoids. So I think this has something pretty
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Speaker 1: important and profound to say about UFO human interaction. So
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Speaker 1: let's just get started. And the first case, the earliest
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Speaker 1: case I could find, occurred in 1942. This is best
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Speaker 1: known as the.
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Speaker 2: L.A.
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Speaker 1: Blackout, or the Battle of L.A., and this occurred on
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Speaker 1: February 25, 1942, just a few months after the bombing
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Speaker 1: of Pearl Harbor. And on February 25, 1942, the city
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Speaker 1: of Los Angeles was invaded by several large UFOs hovering overhead.
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Speaker 1: There was one particularly large craft and many smaller craft
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Speaker 1: which moved in from over the ocean, over Culver City,
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Speaker 1: and one of these craft stayed in place over the
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Speaker 1: city for so long that the entire city went into
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Speaker 1: an enforced blackout. And in fact, the military converged underneath
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Speaker 1: this object trained spotlights on it, and began to shoot
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Speaker 1: over 1,400 rounds of ammunition at it in an attempt
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Speaker 1: to bring it down, which was unsuccessful. However, five people
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Speaker 1: did lose their lives due to heart attacks, falling debris,
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Speaker 1: car accidents, this sort of thing. It's a very well-known
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Speaker 1: event that has yet to be explained to this day.
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Speaker 1: There was an initial cover-up The press tried to call
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Speaker 1: it balloons, but it became very clear that it wasn't balloons.
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Speaker 1: I did talk to a first-hand witness who says this
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Speaker 1: was no way balloons. He saw one of these craft
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Speaker 1: quite low in the sky. And more recently, documentation released
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Speaker 1: through the Freedom of Information Act reveals that perhaps a
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Speaker 1: couple of these objects were shot down, one over the
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Speaker 1: Santa Monica Mountains and another over the ocean itself. So
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Speaker 1: it's quite an amazing event in UFO history and did
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Speaker 1: actually result in a congressional investigation and is perhaps the
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Speaker 1: earliest known case of a UFO shootout, but certainly not
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Speaker 1: the last. And in fact, in 1952, there was a
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Speaker 1: huge wave of sightings across the U.S.
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Speaker 2: And the world.
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Speaker 1: And Frank Ficino's book, shoot them down the flying saucer
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Speaker 1: air wars of 1952 provides a gripping account of many
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Speaker 1: cases in which the air force apparently vectored jets fighter
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Speaker 1: jets after ufos and tried to shoot them down unsuccessfully
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Speaker 1: apparently in most cases though it's not entirely clear if
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Speaker 1: perhaps in some of these cases ufos were damaged I
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Speaker 1: do recommend Frank Ficino's book because it provides a really
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Speaker 1: gripping account of how we used to shoot at UFOs,
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Speaker 1: a policy which was apparently reversed after we had lost
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Speaker 1: a number of pilots in these incidents. But moving on
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Speaker 1: from there, there's quite a history of UFO shootouts. And
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Speaker 1: the next case I'd like to talk about occurred in 1954.
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Speaker 1: off the coast of Bin, Korea. This was during the
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Speaker 1: Korean War, and the U.S. Air Defense Artillery had several
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Speaker 1: Hawk missiles set up in the event of an attack
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Speaker 1: by the North Koreans. And at 10 a.m. one morning
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Speaker 1: in 1954, a blip was spotted on radar moving towards
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Speaker 1: a base, and the officers at the base sighted the
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Speaker 1: object visually which was described as, quote, a glowing metallic
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Speaker 1: disk estimated to be 100 yards in diameter, 10 yards high,
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Speaker 1: with red and green pulsating lights moving around the rim counterclockwise.
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Speaker 1: Soon this craft approached within 700 yards of the base
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Speaker 1: when the captain of D Battery gave orders to launch
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Speaker 1: a Hawk missile. which he did, but before it could
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Speaker 1: reach its target, the UFO reportedly replied with a beam
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Speaker 1: of white light, disabling the Hawk missile. The UFO then departed,
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Speaker 1: making a sound like a swarm of bees. So this
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Speaker 1: was a very interesting response from the UFOs in which
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Speaker 1: they actually disabled the missile. And a similar event reportedly
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Speaker 1: occurred in the Soviet Union in July of of 1957
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Speaker 1: when several UFOs were sighted over the Kuril Islands. The
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Speaker 1: Russian anti-aircraft batteries went into action. However, the repeated attacks
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Speaker 1: failed to bring down any UFOs. So people are not
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Speaker 1: only shooting missiles at UFOs, but using handguns and rifles,
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Speaker 1: such as what happened in the small town of Rio Vista, California.
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Speaker 1: In May of 1964, the town of Rio Vista, which
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Speaker 1: then had a population of about 2,000 people, experienced a
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Speaker 1: two-year-long wave of sightings. These objects were viewed by hundreds
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Speaker 1: of local residents, and starting early in May of 1964,
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Speaker 1: witnesses reported seeing a torpedo-shaped object which was described as
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Speaker 1: about 5 feet wide and 12 feet long, glowing bright
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Speaker 1: red and moving silently at treetop level through the town.
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Speaker 1: And in fact, it appeared so regularly throughout the month
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Speaker 1: of May that residents were able to actually predict its appearance. Apparently,
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Speaker 1: one resident was able to get a color photograph of
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Speaker 1: the object, which he brought to the local sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: And this object would usually appear over a particular water
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Speaker 1: tower about five miles outside of the town, where it
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Speaker 1: would hover about 50 feet above the ground. One of
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Speaker 1: the really dramatic sightings occurred on May 13, 1964, when
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Speaker 1: an anonymous female resident said.
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Speaker 2: That she saw two objects, both described.
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Speaker 1: As round and luminous, and one of these objects came
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Speaker 1: down and actually landed in a field By this time,
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Speaker 1: many others in the town were seeing this object, which appeared, again,
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Speaker 1: to be attracted to this water tower. At one point,
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Speaker 1: two teenagers saw this object, and they took out their
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Speaker 1: 22 rifles and actually shot at this object. And they
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Speaker 1: are sure the bullets found their mark, as they could
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Speaker 1: both hear a metallic twang as the bullets hit the
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Speaker 1: metallic surface. The object flared up in brightness, but... did
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Speaker 1: not fly away and continued to visit the water tower
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Speaker 1: regularly for the next two years. And later in 1965,
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Speaker 1: another encounter would involve nearly the whole town and would
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Speaker 1: generate interest from Air Force officials. So this is a
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Speaker 1: case in which UFOs were shot at, but apparently caused
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Speaker 1: no harm. And that seems to be a theme that
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Speaker 1: turns up in a lot of these cases. Another case
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Speaker 1: is that of Michael Campiador. On May 13, 1967, Campiador
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Speaker 1: was near St.
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Speaker 2: George, Utah.
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Speaker 1: He was driving when he became aware of a strange
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Speaker 1: humming sound. He pulled over, exited his car, and looking
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Speaker 1: up saw a huge object. He said it was about
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Speaker 1: 50 feet in diameter and hovering directly over him. Frightened,
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Speaker 1: He retrieved his. 25 caliber pistol from his car and
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Speaker 1: started shooting. And as in the Rio Vista case, he
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Speaker 1: heard the bullets actually strike the target. But again, the
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Speaker 1: UFO was not damaged. It just moved away without any
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Speaker 1: apparent harm. Another case occurred later that year on July 19, 1967,
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Speaker 1: when Jack Hill... A 60-year-old night watchman for the Lumber
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Speaker 1: Consolidated Company in Wilmington encountered a UFO. He was patrolling
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Speaker 1: the grounds when he observed a 50-foot-long metallic craft covered
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Speaker 1: with lights hovering only a few hundred feet away. To
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Speaker 1: his shock, the strange object zoomed straight towards him. He
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Speaker 1: took immediate defensive action. His flight or fight instincts prevailed.
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Speaker 1: and as he couldn't flee he decided to shoot first
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Speaker 1: and ask questions later he drew his service revolver and
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Speaker 1: fired six shots in succession at this object and as
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Speaker 1: Jack Hill says and I quote then the lights of
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Speaker 1: the craft went out and it flew away So again,
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Speaker 1: the craft was apparently unharmed. Jack Hill was very impressed
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Speaker 1: and reported his encounter to the Los Angeles Herald Examiner.
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Speaker 1: A really harrowing case of a UFO shootout occurred on
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Speaker 1: the evening of August 30, 1970. This occurred at the
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Speaker 1: Funel Dam and Power Station in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
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Speaker 1: The main witness was a security guard by the name
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Speaker 1: of Almiro Martins de Fritas. So on that evening, Almiro
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Speaker 1: was on the dam itself when he saw a UFO
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Speaker 1: hovering over the dam. This object, he said, had about
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Speaker 1: 15 portholes alongside the circumference. They were shining blue and
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Speaker 1: yellow lights. and he quickly walked as close as he
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Speaker 1: could to this object, which is about 50 feet away.
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Speaker 1: Fearing that this UFO would cause damage to the dam,
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Speaker 1: Almiro drew his gun and fired twice at the object.
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Speaker 1: In response, this object whined loudly, flared in brightness, and
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Speaker 1: then struck Almiro with a beam of light. This beam
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Speaker 1: of light caused temporary blindness. And at this point, El
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Speaker 1: Miro fired one more time. He says he heard all
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Speaker 1: three bullets hit the metallic surface of the object. By
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Speaker 1: this point, other guards had arrived and also saw this
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Speaker 1: object as it moved away. El Miro was absolutely unable
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Speaker 1: to see at this point and was rushed to the
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Speaker 1: hospital immediately. He remained blind, totally blind, for two weeks
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Speaker 1: following this incident until suddenly his vision returned spontaneously. A
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Speaker 1: later investigation of the area where this UFO had hovered
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Speaker 1: revealed that the cement dam below this object had been damaged.
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Speaker 1: The cement was now powdered, cracked, and pitted with holes.
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Speaker 1: This was not the end of the sighting. A few
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Speaker 1: days later on September 3rd, the object made another appearance
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Speaker 1: over the dam. The guard on duty flashed lights at
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Speaker 1: the object, which quickly darted away. And then three days
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Speaker 1: later on September 6th, the UFO came back for a
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Speaker 1: third time. And on this occasion, six guards watched the
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Speaker 1: object circling over the dam. They had been instructed not
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Speaker 1: to fire at it, given what happened to El Miro,
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Speaker 1: and this object eventually moved away. So yeah, this is
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Speaker 1: a case which shows what can happen if you fire
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Speaker 1: at a UFO. Sometimes they will fire back. Thankfully, El
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Speaker 1: Miro's blindness was only temporary. But there are many cases
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Speaker 1: in which people have used normal handguns to fire at
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Speaker 1: these objects. Another case occurred on June 26, 1972, at
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Speaker 1: Fort Beaufort in South Africa. Police came upon a UFO
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Speaker 1: and fired upon, quote, a glowing metallic object from only
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Speaker 1: eight yards away, 24, 25 feet. Upon being shot at,
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Speaker 1: the UFO made a loud humming noise and took off.
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Speaker 1: And although the gunfire did seem to chase the UFO away,
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Speaker 1: it did not harm it. Here's another very interesting case,
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Speaker 1: which comes from researcher Brian Veik. This occurred on a
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Speaker 1: January evening in 1976 when two men were driving along
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Speaker 1: a remote dirt road on their way to go coyote
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Speaker 1: hunting in the desert outside of Clovis, New Mexico. Ahead
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Speaker 1: of them, they saw a bright green light at low altitude.
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Speaker 1: They had heard of recent UFOs in the area, and
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Speaker 1: they realized that they were seeing one for themselves. They
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Speaker 1: drove forward and were actually able to drive right underneath
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Speaker 1: this object, which they estimated was less than 1,000 feet high.
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Speaker 1: They exited their truck to take a closer look, and
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Speaker 1: as Brian Veik writes, and I quote, since the men
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Speaker 1: both had rifles with them The witness I talked to
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Speaker 1: grabbed his. 30- 06 rifle and took a shot at the
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Speaker 1: object and believes he put a round into it. As
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Speaker 1: soon as the fellow fired and the impact of the
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Speaker 1: shell struck the craft, it immediately started to move straight north.
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Speaker 1: So these two men now found themselves hunting UFOs instead
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Speaker 1: of coyotes. They hopped into their truck. and followed this
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Speaker 1: object as it moved towards the town of Clovis, New Mexico.
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Speaker 1: And although they moved at top speed, this object easily
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Speaker 1: outdistanced them until it was about two miles ahead. They
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Speaker 1: continued to follow it until they saw a police car
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Speaker 1: up ahead with its emergency lights flashing, and it was
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Speaker 1: also chasing the object. And as they watched, this object
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Speaker 1: shot down a bright beam of light which completely flooded
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Speaker 1: the squad car with light.
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Speaker 2: At this point, the object darted upwards.
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Speaker 1: And was gone. As Brian Veik writes, he, one of
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Speaker 1: the hunters, told me he sat quietly by because he
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Speaker 1: figured it might have been a military aircraft and he
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Speaker 1: just put a bullet into the thing, not wanting to
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Speaker 1: get into any trouble overshooting it. Also, he mentioned he
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Speaker 1: saw the object doing all these strange maneuvers. and he
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Speaker 1: was glad he placed a bullet into it. Well, he
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Speaker 1: got lucky that this UFO didn't shoot back, because as
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Speaker 1: we have seen, sometimes they do.
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Speaker 2: A very dramatic.
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Speaker 1: Case of a UFO shootout with a jet fighter occurred
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Speaker 1: on September 19, 1976, over Tehran, Iran. And on that day,
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Speaker 1: a bright glowing object was seen by hundreds of people
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Speaker 1: in Tehran as it maneuvered over the city. The Iranian
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Speaker 1: Air Force scrambled two F-4 Phantom jets to chase this object.
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Speaker 1: And the pilot of the first jet lost instrumentation and
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Speaker 1: communication when he approached the object. The second pilot was
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Speaker 1: General Parviz Jafari, and he watched this object dart around
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Speaker 1: for more than 26 miles in less than a second,
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Speaker 1: and suddenly a smaller object separated from the larger object.
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Speaker 1: The smaller object headed directly toward Jafari. He instinctively fired
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Speaker 1: at it. Immediately, all the instruments in his jet failed.
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Speaker 1: The radio went dead. And as Jafari says, I was
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Speaker 1: very frightened. He wondered if he was actually going to
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Speaker 1: have to eject when suddenly his instrument panel and radio
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Speaker 1: began working again and he was able to safely land.
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Speaker 1: This was a very dramatic incident. As this UFO was
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Speaker 1: starting over Tehran, people's windows were shattering. I talked to
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Speaker 1: a first-hand witness. He said, Many, many people saw this.
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Speaker 1: Hundreds upon hundreds of.
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Speaker 2: People saw this.
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Speaker 1: It was a very dramatic display and shows what might
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Speaker 1: happen during a UFO shootout. UFOs will take action to
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Speaker 1: disable the guns or the jet itself. Here is another
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Speaker 1: very interesting case involving a UFO shootout. This case comes
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Speaker 1: from Dolly Safran, who is actually the subject of my
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Speaker 1: latest book, Symmetry, A True UFO Adventure. Dolly is a
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Speaker 1: fully conscious contactee. She's been on board UFOs thousands of times,
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Speaker 1: has spent many, many hours, well, years, months, really, on
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Speaker 1: board UFOs. And on one occasion, she had a very
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Speaker 1: memorable experience when she was on board a UFO. She
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Speaker 1: says on numerous occasions, people have actually shot at the
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Speaker 1: UFO when she was inside of it. But one particular
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Speaker 1: incident stuck out. This occurred in the mid-1980s. And as
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Speaker 1: Dolly says, I was flying and we were coming down.
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Speaker 1: We were going to pick him up. This was a gentleman.
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Speaker 1: And as Dolly says, I think he might have been
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Speaker 1: our target. He was outside and he pulled out his shotgun.
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Speaker 1: He picked it up and aimed it directly at us.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, hmm, And I knew better than to
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Speaker 1: panic or do anything like that. I'm well versed at
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Speaker 1: what happens to people when they shoot guns at us.
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Speaker 2: And it bounced.
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Speaker 1: It ricocheted and it hit him in the leg.
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Speaker 2: And according to.
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Speaker 1: Dolly, this ricocheted bullet actually pierced the man's upper right
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Speaker 1: inner thigh. The man Dali saw now was really just
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Speaker 1: a teenager, about maybe 17 years old, she estimates. He
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Speaker 1: had a crew cut hair, wore a t-shirt, jeans, high
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Speaker 1: top tennis shoes. And after this bullet hit him, his expression,
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Speaker 1: which had been pretty determined and angry, transformed into one
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Speaker 1: of shock, fear, and disbelief. And he fell to the
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Speaker 1: ground screaming. This bullet ricocheted accidentally. This was not something
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Speaker 1: the ETs did. And as Dolly says, we had to
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Speaker 1: pick him up and take care of it. They had
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Speaker 1: to remove the bullet and fix it. And I think
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Speaker 1: what they were going to do that night didn't get
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Speaker 1: done because they were busy taking care of him. He
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Speaker 1: was also on board for a long time, like a
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Speaker 1: day or two, before we brought him back. And he
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Speaker 1: was brought back within time. Do you know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 1: There was no time for him. He didn't know at
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Speaker 1: all what happened. In other words, his memory of this
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Speaker 1: event was suppressed and he was brought back to within
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Speaker 1: minutes of when he had first seen and shot at
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Speaker 1: this UFO. So probably not a good idea to shoot
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Speaker 1: at this UFO. After this man was taken on board,
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Speaker 1: the ETs healed him of what is essentially a self-inflicted
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Speaker 1: bullet wound. And usually they will just beam a person
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Speaker 1: back into their house. On this occasion, they landed and
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Speaker 1: physically walked him back into his house. And again, this
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Speaker 1: was not the only time Dolly had been on board
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Speaker 1: a craft when someone had shot at them. Normally on
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Speaker 1: these occasions, if the bullet strikes the craft, it normally
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Speaker 1: just pings harmlessly away. But on this occasion, the bullet
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Speaker 1: somehow ricocheted back at the witness. So this is what
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Speaker 1: happens when people shoot at UFOs. And people have not
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Speaker 1: only shot at UFOs, they've shot at humanoids. And this
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Speaker 1: can become even more dangerous. And I think some people
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Speaker 1: in these cases actually regret shooting at these UFOs. One
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Speaker 1: early incident occurred on November 14, 1954 over the town
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Speaker 1: of Isola, Italy. when a local farmer watched as a
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Speaker 1: cigar-shaped craft landed nearby and disgorged three small beings dressed
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Speaker 1: in diving suits, which promptly surrounded his rabbit cages. Fearing
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Speaker 1: for his animals, the farmer quickly retrieved his gun and
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Speaker 1: aimed it at these invading dwarfs. And at this point,
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Speaker 1: something very strange happened. His gun became, quote, so heavy
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Speaker 1: in his hands that he had to drop it. The
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Speaker 1: farmer now found himself unable to move or cry out,
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Speaker 1: and he could only watch helplessly as these small little
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Speaker 1: beings took his rabbits and returned to their craft. And
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Speaker 1: as soon as it lifted off, the farmer could move again.
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Speaker 1: He quickly squeezed off a round of bullets, but the
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Speaker 1: object was now too distant to have any discernible effect.
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Speaker 1: So probably the most famous UFO ET shootout of all
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Speaker 1: times occurred on August 22nd, 1955 to the Sutton family
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Speaker 1: of Hopkinsville, Kentucky. On that evening, one member of the
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Speaker 1: family was outside when he saw a glowing object landing
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Speaker 1: in a field behind the house. He ran inside to
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Speaker 1: alert the family and moments later, the entire family saw
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Speaker 1: a three-foot-tall humanoid creature with huge eyes, ears, and clawed
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Speaker 1: hands approaching the house. Then suddenly several other of these
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Speaker 1: creatures appeared at once, and the alarmed family ran inside.
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Speaker 1: One of the creatures appeared on the roof of the
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Speaker 1: house and actually grabbed at one of the family members.
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Speaker 1: At this point, Frank Sutton, the father of the family,
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Speaker 1: fired a shotgun through the screen door at one of
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Speaker 1: the creatures. According to Frank, it was a direct hit
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Speaker 1: and the creature was knocked over by the blast. However,
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Speaker 1: it instantly jumped back up and scampered away. And these
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Speaker 1: creatures continued to terrorize the family for the next hour
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Speaker 1: or two until finally the family piled into their car
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Speaker 1: and drove off to the police. The police and the
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Speaker 1: family returned to the location, but at this point there
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Speaker 1: was no evidence of the creatures. The police left and
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Speaker 1: shortly later the creatures came back. The family remained locked
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Speaker 1: inside their house while these creatures roamed around inside and
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Speaker 1: finally left hours later. This is a very famous incident
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Speaker 1: in the annals of ufology and it's been recounted in
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Speaker 1: many UFO books. And as always seems to be the case,
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Speaker 1: these aliens were not harmed in any way by gunfire.
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Speaker 1: Another very well-known case involving a UFO ET shootout occurred
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Speaker 1: on September 4, 1964, to a hunter by the name
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Speaker 1: of Donald Shrum. He and his two companions were hunting
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Speaker 1: in the wilderness outside of Cisco Grove, California. Donald Shrum
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Speaker 1: became separated from his companions and lost. And as evening approached,
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Speaker 1: he realized he was going to have to spend the
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Speaker 1: night outside. And knowing that there were bears in the area,
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Speaker 1: he decided he was going to climb a tree and
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Speaker 1: spend the night there. And shortly later, he saw a
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Speaker 1: strange star-like object in the sky. It dropped down until
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Speaker 1: it was very low, and it quickly approached him, and
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Speaker 1: he saw that it was.
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Speaker 2: Actually a craft.
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Speaker 1: With three strange panels on the side. Before long, he
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Speaker 1: saw a smaller craft, which was ejected from one of
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Speaker 1: these panels, and this smaller craft actually dropped down and
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Speaker 1: landed about a half mile away, and it wasn't long
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Speaker 1: afterwards that Donald saw a strange figure approaching him. He
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Speaker 1: said this figure was about five feet tall, helmeted with
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Speaker 1: large goggles, and wore a white uniform. It came to
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Speaker 1: work the area where Shrum was in his tree, and
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Speaker 1: began to examine the manzanita plants. And shortly later, it
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Speaker 1: was joined by another figure, and shortly.
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Speaker 2: Later after that, four more figures.
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Speaker 1: At first, they did not seem to notice Donald, but
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Speaker 1: when they did, this is when the shootout began. A
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Speaker 1: strange robot-like figure approached and began to emit noxious gas.
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Speaker 1: to try apparently to get Donald out of the tree.
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Speaker 1: It didn't work, though it did render him momentarily unconscious.
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Speaker 1: And Donald tried to keep this figure away by throwing
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Speaker 1: down burning matches and bits of cloth. He actually threw
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Speaker 1: his canteen at them at one point. I did have
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet Donald Shrum face-to-face. I actually held
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Speaker 1: the canteen in my hands which was really quite an
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Speaker 1: interesting thing to be able to do. He's a very
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Speaker 1: sincere man. I'm absolutely convinced this incident did happen. There is,
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Speaker 1: in fact, a book written about this incident by Ruben
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Speaker 1: Uriarte and Noe Torres. At any rate, this robot-like figure
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Speaker 1: was not discouraged and continued to try to dislodge Donald
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Speaker 1: Shrum from the tree. And fearing he was about to
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Speaker 1: be abducted, he took out his bow and arrow and
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Speaker 1: began shooting. This was a large bow and arrow, a
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Speaker 1: 60-pound recurved bow with a 28-inch pull. And at close range,
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Speaker 1: the velocity of this arrow is comparable to a bullet.
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Speaker 1: And as Donald Shrum says, I tried shooting the robot
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Speaker 1: with my bow. I just pulled it back as far
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Speaker 1: as I could and I hit him the first time.
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Speaker 1: There was a big flash of light. The robotic figure
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Speaker 1: fell backwards about 10 or 20 feet. And at the
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Speaker 1: same time, the uniformed humanoids retreated and scattered. And as
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Speaker 1: Donald Shrum says, I guess it scared them a little.
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Speaker 1: But it did not scare them off because shortly later
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Speaker 1: this robotic creature returned. Donald shot two more arrows at it.
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Speaker 1: Each time there was a bright flare of sparks as
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Speaker 1: the arrow struck the metallic body of this robotic figure
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Speaker 1: which again fell backwards several feet. Unfortunately, the arrows weren't
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Speaker 1: able to keep the robotic creature away and it returned
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Speaker 1: each time luckily for Donald however their technique to dislodge
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Speaker 1: him from the tree did not work and eventually they
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Speaker 1: left returned to their craft which joined the larger mothership
29:53
Speaker 1: which took off shortly later upwards and disappeared and that
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Speaker 1: was the end of that but it was a very dramatic,
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Speaker 1: hours-long shootout in which this hunter shot a bow and
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Speaker 1: arrow at this robotic-like creature, which again apparently did not
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Speaker 1: harm it, but was sufficient to keep it away from him.
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Speaker 1: Some cases do have a real tragic ending, such as
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Speaker 1: what happened on August 13, 1967 in the state of Goias, Brazil.
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Speaker 1: The main witness in this case is Ignacio de Souza
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Speaker 1: and his wife Maria. They had just returned to their
30:38
Speaker 1: home to see a giant object, which they said was
30:42
Speaker 1: about 35 meters, about 100 feet in diameter, which had
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Speaker 1: landed on their property. They described it as a strange
30:52
Speaker 1: object shaped like a basin, only upside down. And as
30:57
Speaker 1: soon as they saw this object, they also saw three, quote,
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Speaker 1: strangers that Ignacio first thought were nude. However, his wife
31:07
Speaker 1: Maria thought that they were wearing tight-fitting yellow suits. These
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Speaker 1: figures were all slender with bald heads, and these figures
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Speaker 1: immediately saw that they were being observed and ran straight
31:24
Speaker 1: for this frightened couple. Ignacio de Souza told his wife
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Speaker 1: Maria to run inside, and he took his gun and
31:34
Speaker 1: shot at the nearest creature. At that moment, they fired back,
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Speaker 1: and Ignacio was struck in the chest by a beam
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Speaker 1: of green light and fell to the ground. His wife
31:47
Speaker 1: returned and grabbed the rifle. All three intruders then quickly
31:52
Speaker 1: returned to their craft, which took off vertically and with
31:57
Speaker 1: the noise of a swarm of bees. Following this incident,
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Speaker 1: Anasio became quite ill. He experienced extreme nausea and full
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Speaker 1: body numbness. His body felt burning hot and weak, and
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Speaker 1: his symptoms progressed and became worse. Finally, he went to
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Speaker 1: the doctor, who said that he must have eaten a
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Speaker 1: noxious plant or something. Ignacio said no and told the
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Speaker 1: doctor about the UFO encounter, which prompted the doctor to
32:34
Speaker 1: order more tests, including a blood test. And the doctor
32:39
Speaker 1: was shocked to discover that this blood test revealed a
32:44
Speaker 1: condition very similar to leukemia. And Ignacio de Souza was
32:51
Speaker 1: told that he had about two months to live. And
32:55
Speaker 1: as the doctor predicted, Ignacio, his condition worsened rapidly. He
33:02
Speaker 1: lost weight, became sicker and sicker, and in less than
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Speaker 1: two months, he passed away. So yeah, that's a tragic case,
33:12
Speaker 1: somewhat of an outlier, but it does show that perhaps
33:16
Speaker 1: it's not a good idea to shoot at UFOs. Another
33:20
Speaker 1: case occurred in October of 1973. And this involved a
33:27
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Paul Brown, a car dealer
33:32
Speaker 1: from Georgia, who actually may have prevented his own UFO abduction.
33:39
Speaker 1: This ordeal began as Paul was driving late at night
33:44
Speaker 1: and his radio suddenly became filled with static. At the
33:49
Speaker 1: same time, a bright light lit up the interior of
33:52
Speaker 1: his car And moments later, a strange craft, about 15
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Speaker 1: feet in diameter, landed ahead of him on the road.
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Speaker 1: Paul Brown skidded to a halt and watched as two
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Speaker 1: creatures exited the UFO and began to walk towards him
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Speaker 1: in his car. And Brown described them in a quote.
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Speaker 1: They were about four feet tall. They looked like they
34:19
Speaker 1: were wearing silver uniforms, including their shoes. There was some
34:24
Speaker 1: elastic at their ankles, and their suits were closed tight
34:28
Speaker 1: at the neck also. They had silver gloves, and their
34:32
Speaker 1: hair was solid white.
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Speaker 2: Fearing he was.
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Speaker 1: About to be taken by these beings, Paul grabbed his
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Speaker 1: pistol from his car and aimed it at the aliens.
34:44
Speaker 1: These ETs apparently noticed this, quickly turned around, returned to
34:48
Speaker 1: their craft, and as they entered into this craft, Paul
34:53
Speaker 1: opened fire on the UFO, which promptly took off. So
34:58
Speaker 1: he got lucky in that case that they did not
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Speaker 1: take any action back at him and just left the area.
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Speaker 1: Also in October, that same year, on October 18, 1973,
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Speaker 1: truck driver Eugenio Douglas was nearing Monte May in Argentina
35:22
Speaker 1: when he was stunned and temporarily blinded by a bright
35:26
Speaker 1: beam of light coming from above, as he pulled off
35:30
Speaker 1: the road, he saw a glowing disc land on the
35:34
Speaker 1: highway and four things like shiny metallic robots exited the
35:40
Speaker 1: craft and moved towards them. Realizing that he was about
35:46
Speaker 1: to be Abducted by these beings, he grabbed his loaded
35:50
Speaker 1: revolver and fired point-blank at the advancing entities. The bullets, however,
35:57
Speaker 1: seemed to have no effect on them, as he said. So,
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Speaker 1: he says, I took off running across the countryside. Eugenio
36:10
Speaker 1: fled towards the nearest town And as he did, this
36:15
Speaker 1: disc actually followed him, swooping low overhead. And as Eugenio says,
36:21
Speaker 1: and I quote, each time that disc made a pass
36:24
Speaker 1: over my head, I felt a blast of roasting heat.
36:29
Speaker 1: By the time he made it to safety, huge blisters
36:33
Speaker 1: had formed on his back. So while this case is
36:37
Speaker 1: famous for the injuries suffered by the witness, fortunately his
36:41
Speaker 1: injuries were not fatal and he recovered. Some people have
36:47
Speaker 1: not only shot at aliens, but at Bigfoot as well.
36:53
Speaker 1: And a very famous case occurred in Fayette County in
36:56
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in October of 1973 when the local police received
37:02
Speaker 1: a series of calls concerning UFOs. And three witnesses said
37:08
Speaker 1: they actually saw a ball of light land in a
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Speaker 1: nearby field One of the witnesses was Stephen Meacham. He
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Speaker 1: was armed with a. 30- 06 rifle, and he and two
37:20
Speaker 1: friends went to investigate, and upon approaching the area, they
37:25
Speaker 1: saw two hairy creatures in the field. So whether these
37:31
Speaker 1: were Bigfoot or just hairy ETs is hard to say,
37:35
Speaker 1: because this does come in conjunction with a UFO sighting.
37:39
Speaker 1: But at any rate, Stephen Meacham fired three rounds of
37:43
Speaker 1: ammunition at them and it had no apparent effect. Though
37:48
Speaker 1: he is positive the bullets struck the creatures, they turned,
37:53
Speaker 1: looked at him, but did not noticeably alter their pace.
37:57
Speaker 1: The police were called and a single officer was sent
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Speaker 1: to investigate. Stephen Meacham and the officer encountered the creatures
38:06
Speaker 1: face-to-face and And again, Micham started shooting at them. As
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Speaker 1: Stephen says, and I quote, I shot directly into the
38:16
Speaker 1: chest of the creatures. It swayed backwards and then came
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Speaker 1: right at the fence. Again, the bullet did not seem
38:24
Speaker 1: to harm the target. But as Stephen says, I had
38:29
Speaker 1: to hit them, but it didn't faze them. They kept
38:32
Speaker 1: the same gait. They never hurried. So again, we have
38:37
Speaker 1: Micham cases where these bullets strike the creature directly but
38:42
Speaker 1: does not affect them. A very similar incident occurred one
38:46
Speaker 1: year later on February 6, 1974, and again involved a
38:54
Speaker 1: Bigfoot-like creature. This occurred near Uniontown, Pennsylvania, when a witness
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Speaker 1: by the name of Miss A., heard what she thought
39:07
Speaker 1: were wild dogs. She ran, got her 16-gauge shotgun, and
39:11
Speaker 1: went outside and was immediately confronted by a, quote, seven-foot-tall, hair-covered,
39:18
Speaker 1: ape-like creature standing just six feet away. This creature raised
39:24
Speaker 1: both of its hands in a threatening gesture, so the
39:28
Speaker 1: witness fired the gun into the creature's midsection and the
39:32
Speaker 1: creature reportedly quote just disappeared in a flash of light
39:38
Speaker 1: the witness ran inside and her son-in-law who was living
39:42
Speaker 1: next door called her on the phone she told him
39:45
Speaker 1: the story and he ran outside armed with a six
39:48
Speaker 1: shot revolver And as he approached his neighbor's house, his
39:55
Speaker 1: mother-in-law's house, he saw shadows of four or five hairy
40:00
Speaker 1: people with fire red eyes that glowed. He fired two
40:05
Speaker 1: shots at them to no apparent effect. He ran inside
40:09
Speaker 1: and at this point his mother-in-law spotted a bright red
40:13
Speaker 1: flashing light in the woods a short distance away. So
40:18
Speaker 1: this is, again, a UFO Bigfoot case, also involving a
40:24
Speaker 1: shootout in which the entities were not apparently affected by
40:28
Speaker 1: the guns. So there are some very interesting cases in
40:32
Speaker 1: which people have tried to shoot at ETs and were
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Speaker 1: defeated by very mysterious means. One such case happened on
40:42
Speaker 1: July 15, 1979, to a couple in San Antonio, Texas.
40:49
Speaker 1: A couple sighted three large glowing balls of light right
40:54
Speaker 1: outside their home, and as they watched, five creatures described as, quote, thin,
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Speaker 1: with grayish skin, large hands, and large oval-shaped slanted eyes
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Speaker 1: descended from these balls of light. The man ran inside
41:12
Speaker 1: and got his shotgun, and at this point, Both the
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Speaker 1: man and the woman were overcome with sleepiness. Later, under hypnosis,
41:24
Speaker 1: they recalled a frightening abduction scenario. However, at the time,
41:29
Speaker 1: they experienced only a period of missing time. After firing
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Speaker 1: at these objects, the next thing they knew, they were
41:38
Speaker 1: waking up in the morning to find the shotgun completely
41:43
Speaker 1: dismantled laying on the kitchen table with all the parts
41:48
Speaker 1: spread out. So evidently, the ETs had taken the gun
41:53
Speaker 1: and pulled it apart for examination. And as usual, this
41:57
Speaker 1: weapon had no effect and certainly did not, in this case,
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Speaker 1: prevent the apparent abduction from taking place. Another UFO Bigfoot
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Speaker 1: shootout occurred again in Pennsylvania. at Point Isabel in the
42:14
Speaker 1: fall of 1988 in this case three men sighted a
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Speaker 1: Bigfoot like creature outside their farmhouse and they decided to
42:24
Speaker 1: go out looking for it and sure enough they came
42:28
Speaker 1: upon it one of the men, Arnold Hubbard was armed
42:31
Speaker 1: with a. 22 rifle and he saw that this creature
42:36
Speaker 1: was only 50 feet away so he quickly took his.
42:42
Speaker 1: 22 rifle and fired at it. He believes he hit
42:46
Speaker 1: it because this creature let out a, quote, hideous scream.
42:51
Speaker 1: He fired two more shots, at which point this creature
42:54
Speaker 1: became enveloped in a white mist. The mist dissipated and
42:59
Speaker 1: the creature was gone. Another one of the witnesses, Larry Abbott, said,
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Speaker 1: and I quote, the three of us searched the spot
43:07
Speaker 1: where the creature was shot that night. We found no
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Speaker 1: trace of it, no blood, nothing. Next day, we checked
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Speaker 1: the whole farm.
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Speaker 2: Nothing.
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Speaker 1: So this is what happens when people shoot at UFOs,
43:24
Speaker 1: or for that matter, ETs or Bigfoot. Nothing. Usually nothing happens.
43:30
Speaker 1: The UFO will simply dart away, though in a few cases,
43:36
Speaker 1: they will shoot back. I did cover most of these
43:40
Speaker 1: cases in my book, Not From Here, Volume 1, except
43:45
Speaker 1: of course the case involving Dolly Saffron, which is covered
43:49
Speaker 1: in my book, Symmetry. So as these cases show, the
43:54
Speaker 1: ETs are very advanced to the point that bullets are
43:58
Speaker 1: probably not going to have an effect, certainly not on
44:02
Speaker 1: their craft, and very rarely on the ETs themselves. But
44:07
Speaker 1: at any rate, I think these cases show that it's
44:10
Speaker 1: probably not a good idea to shoot at a UFO.
44:13
Speaker 1: For one reason, you're not going to damage it. Second,
44:18
Speaker 1: there is a possibility that it will shoot back at
44:22
Speaker 1: you and perhaps even cause physical damage. So that would
44:28
Speaker 1: be my recommendation. Don't shoot at UFOs. This is something
44:32
Speaker 1: our military apparently learned early on and reversed their policy
44:38
Speaker 1: And I think this is good advice. Don't shoot at
44:41
Speaker 1: them because sometimes they will shoot back. And I think
44:48
Speaker 1: these cases show how truly aggressive humans are because in
44:53
Speaker 1: no case, not one, did the UFOs shoot first. It
44:58
Speaker 1: was always the humans who shot first and if the
45:01
Speaker 1: UFOs shot back, it was only in response.
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Speaker 2: So there you go.
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Speaker 1: This is what happens when people shoot at UFOs or ETs.
45:12
Speaker 1: I think it shows more about us than about the
45:17
Speaker 1: ETs themselves. We are far more hostile than the UFOs.
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Speaker 2: So that's it for today.
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Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this episode. Once again, I want
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Speaker 1: to thank you for watching. I truly appreciate it. And
45:31
Speaker 1: until next time, keep searching for the truth. And more importantly.
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Speaker 2: Keep having fun.