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PODCAST: Episode 839 - Stavros Giannopoulos (The Atlas Moth) Talks Motherless' Debut, and More · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  I had like kind of a vision to begin with where it was just
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  like, you know, Lemmy was in Hawkland and then he got kicked
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  out from his Prague band and he started Motörhead.
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  Well, I mean, I think he kicked out of the Atlas Mob and that's
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  still a band. But that's my Prague band.
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  And without Waves, it's like your guys Prague band.
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  So you know, so this is our Motörhead.
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  Hey, what's up everybody? It's Kefi.
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  It goes cultman.com. I am joined by my old buddy
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  Stavros. You know him best from the Atlas
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  Moth, but he has a new band or new to you called Motherless
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  with a brand new album coming out.
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  How you doing buddy? I'm good man, Good to see you.
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  Yeah, it's been a while. Please introduce your your pooch
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  here to us. This is Modge Podge.
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  He's a very good boy. He's a little weird, but he's a
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  good boy. He wants to be involved in
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  everything. So that's OK.
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  Most you know dogs have that personality.
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  Cats could care less about what the fuck you do as long as they
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  get fed and their boxes changed. And dogs.
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  Dogs want to be in it. Yeah, this dude wants to be my
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  like my my Robin at all times to my.
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  Dad, I mean, you know, you could be a you, you are kind of a Dark
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  Knight, the hero we need, you know, the hero that needs to be.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Please make sure you mentioned offline your sister runs a
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  rescue for pities. So please send us a link where
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  we can help support if anything. Bully breed rescue but I'll send
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  the link for. Great name.
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  That's a mouthful. It's been around for 30 years,
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  right? So it's probably a little bit
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  before, like, you know, everyone was really thinking of domain
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  names and such. So that's also trying to get
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  yourself a disservice in that regard.
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  But what do you No, no, no. Well, you know, it's OK.
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  We, you know, and also like honestly, at this point, with
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  everything going on in the world and the, you know, media and and
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  social media, our brains got about this much capacity left.
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  Yes, exactly to remember shit. But how are you doing?
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  First and foremost, I said, how you been?
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  I've been, I've been, I'm pretty well with the moment, you know,
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  it's been, it's been a rough journey to get to here, you
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  know, it's been what, like 7 years since I've done anything
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  in the music world. It's been a while, you know, the
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  pandemic kind of kicked my ass like you did everybody.
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  I feel bad even saying anything because I know somebody had
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  worse than me. But you know, no one had a good
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  time, you know? But here we are.
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  Thou shall prevail, you know. So still breathing, still
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  living, you know, can still walk and still see, can still hear.
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  No complaints. Best of all can still think for
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  yourself and that is super important today because
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  everything it all came true Orwell I have a pin on my battle
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  vest that's it's just George Orwell's face and he says I told
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  you yeah you're. Fucking right.
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  I fucking told you every. Single days writer.
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  And people ask me about the two most asked about things on that
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  vest. They're that pin and my Prince
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  pin from the Prince museum I went to in Amsterdam.
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  Like, you have a Prince pin just randomly on your vest of all
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  these things. I'm like, yes, I love Prince.
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  I don't care. So yeah, man, motherless, right.
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  So you you, you know, like the pandemic did kick everyone's
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  ass. I know introverts thrived.
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  Everybody else, you know, anyone who was making banana bread and
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  working from home. But a lot of people suffered.
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  But like, you know, you made it through to the other side.
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  And I know we haven't heard from the Atlas in a minute, and we'll
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  talk about that later because I know there's stuff going on.
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  But Mother Motherless came together and it's kind of like
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  two of the best bands from Chicago come together and make a
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  band, basically. Right.
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  Yeah, yeah, basically, yeah. It was funny, man.
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  So Alice Muff was on hiatus and we can talk about that a bit
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  later, I guess. But me and Alex, the bass player
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  went to go see Iron Maiden and, you know, as one does, right?
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  And it's like probably 2022, late in 2022.
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  And what's Iron Maiden? And afterwards you're just like,
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  man, you know what? We just start another band.
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  You know, we're like, yeah, I'm like, you know what?
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  Why go? We start another band?
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  Why not fuck it, You know, like. And I wound up going to pick up
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  my girlfriend at the time from work.
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  And Gary, the drummer Without Waves is on in Motherless while
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  the show was at the bar that she worked at.
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  And he literally was like, hey, what do you what do you?
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  What's up with your band? And before he even say anything,
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  he was like, let's start a band. And I was like, although you
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  mentioned that, you know, so literally I was like, all right,
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  well, I guess this is the universe.
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  Tell me to get off my ass. So here we are.
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  And I was like, yeah, we should probably get another guitar
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  player because I don't want to ride all these riffs.
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  And he was like, yeah, we should get Anthony from Without Waves.
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  All right, there's the band. So, you know, yeah, it was like
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  kind of one of those things where I was like very much like
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  I had, I had like kind of a vision to begin with where it
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  was just like, you know, Lemmy was in Hawkwind and then he got
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  kicked out from his Prague band and he started Motörhead.
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  Well, I mean, I think he kicked out of the Atlas love and that's
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  still a band, but that's my Prague band.
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  And without Waves, it's like your guys Prague band.
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  So let's start fucking Motörhead, you know?
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  So this is our Motörhead. That's kind of like the whole
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  deal. And, you know, that kind of
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  tracks now that I think about the record, I've been listening
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  to that. That makes a lot of sense.
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  We know Gary a little bit from some of his work and, you know,
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  incredible. Yeah, the 8000 of his bands and
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  and he's incredible drummer and yeah.
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  So you guys come together and is it the usual process you do?
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  Because it's not only your you know, you are the instigator of
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  the other project. So like, how did this band
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  collaborate to write these songs that you all bring in parts?
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  How did you do? Yeah.
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  Well, you know, I mean, even with the Atlas month, it's
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  always been a very collaborative process, you know what I mean?
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  Like I think that I always kind of have like a strong visual.
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  I think it always kind of people always think that I'm like some
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  weird mastermind because I always have like the visual
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  aspect of it because like I'm the art guy.
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  But yeah, it was more or less just like as the the real thing
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  with like the difference is I think that both without Waves
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  and the Atlas Moth, I think I can speak for them because we've
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  talked about this so much, is that we both of those bands will
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  one of us will bring a riff or, you know, whatever.
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  And then someone else will add on a riff.
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  And then we'll write a song and we'll demo it.
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  And then we'll, you know, RIP it apart and rewrite it and keep
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  kind of like revising, revising, you know, until it's perfect.
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  You know, like, for instance, like Komen Noir was like written
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  and demoed and rewritten and re demoed and rewritten.
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  And we, we really, really put work into that.
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  And not to say that's a, that's like a bad way of doing
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  anything. I mean, the results, you know,
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  proofs in the pudding. I think the Komen Noir is an
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  incredible record, but the same time I want to do something that
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  was like more punk rock. I want to do something that was
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  more like capturing a moment. I always think that every single
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  album a band does should be like kind of us just a snapshot of
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  where everyone is in their lives or like just what you're doing
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  at the moment, you know? And sometimes I can get lost as
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  like a band goes on and kind of like progresses in the writing,
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  you know? So like this was like a very
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  much like a let's be immediate, let's be right now and like
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  let's not overthink it, you know, and like let's let's strip
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  it down too. Like let's not try to be a crazy
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  progressive metal band. Like let's try to have some fun
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  and be Motörhead, you know, like I wanted to have nothing but D
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  beats. That was my whole thing, you
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  know, and didn't quite work out that way.
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  You. Know well I don't know that Gary
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  can just only play D beats I think that's like asking him
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  the. Same thing with Anthony, man.
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  The guy's like an incredible fucking guitar player too.
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  Like I was asking him, I'm like, no snip ball, you know?
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  Like he was like, yeah, you know, And there were some things
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  that stuck in on there. We were like, yeah, well, that's
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  not simple. How do I how do I deal with
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  this? I'm not I'm not one to ever like
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  be like no, no, like I'm, I'm a big, I'm a big, I've always been
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  a big proprietor of try it. Let's let's try it out.
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  You know, like I don't ever want to shoot any idea down
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  creatively because I don't want anyone to shoot my ideas down.
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  Great. But like I always want to try
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  something. So if someone feels strongly
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  about it, right, you know, So yeah, just like more like just
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  kind of focusing on having fun and being immediate and kind of,
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  you know, balls to the wall, you know, like, I wanted it to be a
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  aggressive. I mean, I'm, I was, I still am.
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  I'm feeling aggressive. I'm feeling pissed off.
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  I'm feeling angry, like things suck, you know?
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  Really not good. Yeah, like I didn't.
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  Worst timeline of all time. I don't know what happened.
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  This is the multiverse. Send me to another one.
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  Exactly. Now and on that note, everyone
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  fucking pinpoints the Cubs World Series win.
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  Oh, I want to point out something about that being a
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  huge Cubs if the Indians won the commanders.
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  Right. Or whatever they are, yeah.
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  I don't, I don't pay attention to the American League, but it
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  had one. That means that 2 Cleveland
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  sports teams would have broken a drought of championships because
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  the Cavs won earlier. That would be way more fucked up
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  just throwing that. That's fair.
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  Yeah. I think the universe, I'm
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  surprised that as an as an only American League, mostly guys, a
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  Yankees fan from New York now lives in California.
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  Fuck me. But just as just like when I
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  lived in Boston when we met, oh fuck, why am I here?
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  But I had a great time there. I've been having a great time
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  out here. Life is pretty good overall.
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  And yeah, like, I think when the Red Sox won, I was surprised the
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  universe didn't unmake itself. But I actually said like, OK,
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  things were trending down. And then Slayer retired in the
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  end of 2019, and you had literally the clock turned over
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  to 2020 and it was like, wow, what shit.
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  This is what fresh hell. And so, yeah, not, you know
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  what, man? I know a lot of Cubbies fans and
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  a lot of close friends of mine are from Chicago and, and I love
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  the town. That was very good to me.
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  Midwestern niceness is a real thing.
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  And it's a clean and beautiful city for the most part.
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  Just like, you know, everywhere else.
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  There's rich, there's bore, there's ghettos, there's giant
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  glistening cities and I love Chicago so firmly.
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  I was really happy for all my long-suffering friends that got
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  a ring. You had the Bulls and that kind
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  of like put, I think that pushed off the Cubs from winning for a
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  while. Blackhawks and Bears.
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  The Bears kind of blew. It last time they were anywhere
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  near it so. Yeah, but I don't know, they got
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  the building blocks now, but. And I like that.
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  I watched that Hard Knocks on HBO.
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  That was pretty good last year. They'll be there eventually,
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  just like my team will be back eventually.
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  But yeah, Cubbies, you know, good for the world.
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  But Do You Feel Safe is a very ominous album title.
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  No, I don't. But just for you.
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  What does that mean to you and you guys?
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  Exactly that, man. You know, I think everyone is,
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  you know, it's so funny, man, because like the last time I was
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  doing interviews for a record was 2018, right?
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  And it was a whole different world, you know?
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  And part of me, like, it kind of it sucks.
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  I hate to like, you know, like it's almost like I almost have
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  like preface like everything nowadays.
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  Like I didn't vote for Trump. Like, I am not a right winger at
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  all. And I do think that some things
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  though are like, man, I have to watch everything everyone says.
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  It's not even that I'm that controversial person.
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  I'm a pretty goddamn liberal dude.
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  And I tend to not want to really want to offend anybody, but I
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  also have to call bullshit on some things.
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  Everyone talks about so many things being, you know, everyone
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  wants this. You know, everything's inclusive
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  and everything. We're building a safe space for
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  you. You feel, savior, How fucking
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  safe does anybody feel? I don't care.
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  You can build up these four walls around me all you want and
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  tell me that I'm safe here. But like, these four walls still
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  exist in this fucked up place that like has that that's become
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  the world, man. Like I don't fucking feel safe.
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  I'm disabled, you know, I have spina bifida, something I've
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  never really talked about much, you know, over the years because
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  mostly because I just don't want any sympathy for because there's
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  a lot of children out there that like really are affected by the
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  disease, the illness, whatever I call it.
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  And I, I'm relatively unscathed, you know, like I basically deal
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  with pain every day, but I've been dealing with that my entire
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  life. It is what it is at this point.
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  Like some kids don't walk, so I never really think about it.
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  But I am a disabled person. Like I, I, there's so much
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  that's fucked in this world right now.
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  Like I don't feel safe. I don't feel safe.
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  We were, I don't know how it's going to be when I'm an older
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  man, you know, like looking for any sort of government
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  assistance or anything like that, because I'm basically on
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  that path, right? Like I'm a degenerative disease,
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  like, so, yeah. No, I mean, like, do you
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  actually feel safe? Dude, ask yourself that
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  question. How fucking safe do you feel
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  anywhere at any times? Because I don't think.
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  Anybody should right on. Thank you for sharing.
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  I know you haven't talked about that until just recently.
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  You actually were very I didn't know that and I appreciate you
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  sharing that because that takes a certain risk to share personal
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  stuff. We live in a toxic society,
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  especially on you know, people were perpetually online and
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  they're not out in the world making art and doing shit and
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  having conversations with people.
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  They're in their little moms basement or whatever angrily
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  typing with one finger each, probably fucking commenting on
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  metal archives reviews and shit like my friends over at Lamb
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  Goat. No disrespect but there's a
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  reason why Ghost Coat has never had a comment section because I
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  know where it will go and I don't want to deal with that
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  shit myself. And I have my own.
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  I've been on a health journey the last couple of years with
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  mental health, mental illness honestly, and physical problems.
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  I'm sort of starting to come through it, but like it's going
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  to be a lifetime battle because I didn't take care of this.
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  You at least like knew enough like oh, I have an illness I
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  have to manage, right. I did not.
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  I didn't, I was like, oh, live fast, die young, leave a bad
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  looking corpse, not be here a long time.
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  I'm here for a good time, not a long time.
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  Now that I want to be here, I'm like, oh fuck me, now I have to
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  work on this sheet because I didn't take minutes.
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  I missed that 27 window, you know, now that I had to actually
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  look down the fucking barrel of being a, an elderly man, you
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  know, like, but I mean then so it's like, dude, like there are
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  plenty of people out there that like do need this stuff.
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  Do that do need like, you know, Medicaid and all that kind of
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  things. I don't want to necessarily get
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  super political, but like, God, do I feel like this is a fucked
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  up place to be living and like, like, I don't feel safe for
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  anybody. I don't think anybody should
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  feel sick. I think everyone should be
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  fucking. Angry, yeah, question
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  everything, but not to a point where like you also are
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  irrational and can't debate properly with people.
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  But you know, it's like, don't engage.
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  It's all so it's a fucking problem.
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  And what facts are like? Yes, well.
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  Yeah, not do your own research. I mean you.
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  Know what a fact is? We know each, we know each
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  other. Ghost Cults around like almost
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  13 years your band has been around, you know you, I know you
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  in the music world, you know, for almost 20 years since I
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  became acquainted with you, one of my you know, one of my first
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  interviews for Ghost Cult was you in person.
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  We we, we've done a bunch of things over the phone and in
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  person and Zoom once before. And you know, I always feel like
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  you are genuinely who you are in real life.
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  And, and also in these situations, some people are
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  like, well, either per music guy, me is this guy and then the
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  regular guy, me is that guy. You're you respect that.
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  Yeah. And I don't think you know how
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  to not be you, which is cool. I think that's actually a cool
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  thing. But we're going through some
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  shit as a society. And you're supposed to judge a
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  society also without soapboxing too bad, as I often do.
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  You know, you judge the society how you treat its weakest
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  people, not its strongest people.
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  And I, I've been for a long time beating on that shoe, beating
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  that shoe on the table for a long time, and it's getting
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  worse. And that's not good.
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  Going the wrong way. Yeah.
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  And there's no place to like you said, there's no place to feel
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  safe, man. I think it's, I think it's a
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  little bit fucking ridiculous than anyone's like this isn't
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  safe. Nothing is safe.
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  There's no safety right like. Stop.
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  Lying to yourself and like honestly look at like what's
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  going on because like the quicker everyone learns that
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  there's nothing safe in this world, then like the better off
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  everybody is, you know, cuz that maybe there will be some action
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  to it. Right on back to the album for a
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  bit. You know, first first track is
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  just an absolute ear Ripper. Reptile dysfunction.
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  Great song title, great play on words, and just what a banger
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  riff right off the bat. That was my coffee today before
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  I grabbed my cup of coffee before talking to you, I
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  listened to that riff, but I listened that first song a bunch
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  of times in a row. I was like, let's go.
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  So what a what a what an ass kicker.
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  Well, thank you. Yeah, that we just filmed a
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  video for that. I got to actually send out a
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  shout out to my girlfriend. She was the one that came with
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  the song title for that. We joke around a lot about
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  fictional song titles, and she came up with a couple on this
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  record. She's pretty fucking funny.
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  But yeah, that's. That was actually the last song
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  written for the record. I was like, wait, I don't know
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  if any of these are an opener. Here's an opener.
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  So yeah, it's one of my favorite.
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  Saw some of my most favorite lyrics I've ever written as
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  well. You know, this record is full of
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  some of my most favorite lyrics I've ever written, you know, so.
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  Yeah, there's some point. There's some poignant stuff here
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  I was trying to pick out from that track.
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  Abrupt violence, weaponized goodwill, which I love.
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  Christian Math is maybe the Best Song on here in terms of just my
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  ears, just across the board, another face peeler and brutal.
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  How did you split things up with Anthony on the vocals?
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  Because I'm trying to pick out, because I hear all the shades of
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  you and I'm not as familiar with as much as I know I like, you
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  know, Anthony's work. I'm I'm trying to figure it out.
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  Like where's the split? Dude, Anthony is like a fucking
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  he's Wildman. That guy could do any like he he
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  kind of blows me away sometimes, but I'm like, you know what
• 17:10
  would be cool? Like if there was like a super
• 17:13
  like we're all right here. But like, you know, and my vocal
• 17:16
  register is kind of high, you know, and he'll be like, oh, I
• 17:18
  got it. And he'll just fucking belt it
• 17:20
  out. I'm like, man, fuck you, you
• 17:23
  know. And he's very adamant about
• 17:26
  being like, you know, even on credits, Like I didn't even
• 17:28
  think about this kind of shit, but I was like, you know,
• 17:30
  whatever. I like to put everything in
• 17:32
  alphabetical order just so like it's like eliminates anybody
• 17:35
  being fucking, you know, put off and and actually, I think in
• 17:38
  every single one of my bands, I'm always last S you know, you
• 17:42
  know, so I put down Anthony. I think he went for maybe he's
• 17:45
  second behind Alex, but I put down Anthony and put vocals
• 17:49
  guitar. He goes, no, I'll put down
• 17:50
  guitar, vocals, super modest dude and super fucking talented
• 17:54
  vocally and guitar was and he does vocals actually mostly on
• 17:58
  Christian math. I do like it's probably on that
• 18:01
  song. It's like 8020 and then a
• 18:03
  majority of the vocals on the rest are pretty much all me.
• 18:06
  And he did a lot of backups and like select little parts.
• 18:11
  But yeah, I mean, there wasn't really much conscious thought to
• 18:13
  it, to be honest with you. He was like very much into, I
• 18:16
  think he does like he takes such a forefront.
• 18:19
  And without Waves, he kind of was like really been into the
• 18:22
  idea of kind of not being the forefront in this band, which I
• 18:25
  was kind of like, ah, I was kind of not necessarily hoping to be
• 18:28
  the forefront in another band. But you're right.
• 18:30
  You know, it is what it is. It's kind of like a natural spot
• 18:32
  for me to at this point. You know, this is not based on
• 18:35
  empirical evidence, but I think that there are personality types
• 18:39
  that probably like you have a leadership personality, you're
• 18:43
  charismatic, you're easy to get to know.
• 18:46
  I've had that pleasure. I hung out with you.
• 18:48
  You're super chill and very laid back most of the time, unless
• 18:52
  you're animated about something specific.
• 18:54
  But like, I think that certain band people, artists have a sort
• 18:59
  of a path that's laid out like, oh, I'm going to be, you know,
• 19:02
  just like every relationship, business, romantic, political,
• 19:06
  there's a push and a pull and somebody's got to be the pusher,
• 19:09
  the push person. And I think that's leader by
• 19:12
  nature. By like not any choice of my
• 19:14
  own. My name in the Atlas Moth has
• 19:17
  been fearless leader for years now yes, I did not choose and I
• 19:21
  did not. It's kind of funny people talk
• 19:22
  about that shit and like, Oh well, you're like, you're the
• 19:25
  leader of the Atlas. I was like first of all, like I
• 19:27
  never sang in a band before the Atlas moth and we tried out
• 19:30
  singers and I didn't want to be the singer and half the reason I
• 19:33
  became the singer. So I was like, you know what, I
• 19:35
  don't think I want some asshole talking for me anymore.
• 19:39
  You know what I mean? Like those, the only the reason
• 19:41
  that I got shoved into the fucking role, the only reason
• 19:43
  that I wound up doing the majority of the vocals, was
• 19:45
  because Dave Kush didn't want to.
• 19:48
  So here I am. Noted.
• 19:49
  Noted. Yeah, you know, Yeah, I mean,
• 19:51
  and yeah, it's, it's natural. It is what it is.
• 19:53
  I don't mind doing it. This is why you know what I
• 19:56
  mean. Like I don't even.
• 19:57
  Know, and let's let's give Alex a shout out too, because if
• 19:59
  you're going for that Motörhead sound as a personal, you know,
• 20:03
  bass player, you got to have that gritty tone and you got to
• 20:06
  have that very direct attack on the bass the way Lemmy did, the
• 20:10
  way that also compliments the other guys.
• 20:14
  So like Alex did a stellar job. This is like some of my favorite
• 20:17
  bass stuff this year that I've heard on a record.
• 20:20
  Yeah, he really killed it, dude. His tone was great.
• 20:23
  Everything really just came together with this band.
• 20:24
  It was like Supernatural and like we it just, it just kind of
• 20:28
  happened. We didn't force anything.
• 20:30
  It was really just kind of float out of us and this happened and
• 20:33
  like, shit, man. It was, it was, it was really
• 20:35
  easy, really fucking really easy to put this record together.
• 20:38
  We're really happy. With right on and you deferred
• 20:42
  to another artist for the artwork, which I know like even
• 20:45
  if you weren't doing the art yourself or the layout or
• 20:48
  whatever, I know you always every project you have has a
• 20:51
  very visual, strong visual sense.
• 20:53
  So I love this very distinctive artwork in a year of kind of a
• 20:57
  lot of blacks and Grays. There's nice a nice muted burnt
• 21:01
  color on this that I think fits. No, I actually I diverted to my
• 21:05
  buddy Rosario, who's a unexpected specter.
• 21:08
  On Instagram, I met Rosario the first day of kindergarten.
• 21:14
  We were waxing intellectual over the 89 Batman film and.
• 21:19
  As you do. We've been best friends since.
• 21:22
  So like we like literally I've known this guy for I think we
• 21:25
  usually do. We usually have a little
• 21:26
  anniversary thing every year in August from, you know, when you
• 21:29
  start school. So I think this is our 38th
• 21:32
  anniversary or some shit like that this year, 37th
• 21:34
  anniversary. Like he's probably the only guy
• 21:37
  in the entire world where he's my go to in a pinch, you know,
• 21:41
  like when I'm always like, oh shit, like what do I need to do?
• 21:44
  I forgot to make another Atlas small shirt for tour.
• 21:46
  Oh no, and I'm just going to go up and call Rosara really quick.
• 21:48
  I'm sure he's got something. You know, he's the only guy
• 21:50
  where I'm like, just do whatever man, you know, and you'll figure
• 21:53
  it out. And it's kind of the same thing.
• 21:55
  Like I was trying to pull off this idea I had involving like
• 21:59
  my fucking girlfriend naked with a pigs head and blood and all
• 22:02
  sorts of shit. And, you know, like, I always
• 22:06
  say this kind of stuff where it's like, add every one person
• 22:10
  you add to a project, whether it's a recording project, a
• 22:13
  video project, a fucking art project, wherever it is, add one
• 22:16
  person, add like, you know, five hours of a headache and
• 22:20
  scheduling and all that bullshit.
• 22:21
  And like, it just started, like, adding up and adding up and
• 22:24
  adding up and adding up where like, I could not feasibly make
• 22:27
  this photo shoot happen and I need to get this artwork done.
• 22:30
  And that's when I called my boy. So yeah, he fucking killed it,
• 22:32
  though. I literally was like, like, that
• 22:35
  kid knows me better than anybody in the entire world, You know
• 22:38
  what I mean? Like, literally, he's like my
• 22:40
  brother. So it was really easy.
• 22:42
  It's like, yo, dude, you know me.
• 22:43
  You know what I like better than anything?
• 22:45
  Probably better than my fucking self, in all honesty.
• 22:47
  You know, can you get to me by Friday?
• 22:49
  You know, he's like, yeah, yeah. And he fucking nailed it.
• 22:53
  It was like one of those things where literally I saw it.
• 22:55
  I'm like, fucking perfect, man. And ever lost the band was like,
• 22:58
  this is fucking great, you know, and now we we've adopted kind of
• 23:01
  like that GIMP mask is like a a mask out of sorts, you know
• 23:05
  which? Yeah, for better or worse, let's
• 23:08
  bring back the GIMP masks. I live in San Francisco, so I
• 23:11
  see a lot of masks here of all sorts.
• 23:14
  Also very like, you know, aggressive image, you know what
• 23:18
  I mean? Like it's very much like in your
• 23:20
  fucking face and it it says something.
• 23:23
  I don't know what it says something to something different
• 23:26
  to a lot of people too. You know which.
• 23:27
  Is great. That's correct.
• 23:29
  And it goes with the album and it goes with the title.
• 23:31
  And again, very very few times you get those things to line up
• 23:34
  properly. Does it make you feel safe?
• 23:38
  Not so much me, you know, uncomfortable.
• 23:40
  You feel kind of weird. But yeah, man, I dig it.
• 23:42
  You know, it's, we've talked a lot in the past about just
• 23:45
  Chicago in general and the incestuous scene there.
• 23:48
  So I just feel like like, you know, groups sprouting up
• 23:53
  between people is a natural thing there.
• 23:56
  But it seems like I was there a couple years ago, and it seems
• 23:59
  like there's still sort of a scene.
• 24:02
  There's still some, you know, good local bands.
• 24:04
  Is there anybody else you've been digging that maybe we need
• 24:07
  to pull our attention to beside you?
• 24:10
  Well, obviously me first and foremost.
• 24:14
  You know, The thing is, man, is that like there was you were
• 24:16
  around, you know, ghost Cult. I remember like really was like
• 24:19
  you guys are starting to start really getting your wheels
• 24:22
  rolling right When like that Chicago scene was like on fire,
• 24:26
  you know, it was like any band that started immediately had a
• 24:30
  record deal and had like a killer record.
• 24:32
  It was crazy. You know, like I don't think the
• 24:35
  scene is kind of walled since then.
• 24:37
  And like it is what it is. Everything kind of has peaks and
• 24:39
  valleys and you can't expect things to be on fire forever,
• 24:41
  you know. But like right now there's like
• 24:43
  definitely like a lot of like pretty killer bands starting to
• 24:46
  pop up. I think it's just not as focused
• 24:49
  here, You know, like when we kind of came up, there was just
• 24:52
  like a big surgeons of like whatever doom, sludge, post
• 24:56
  metal and then anything that had any sort of black metal tinge to
• 25:00
  it, whether it was like not missing with the psychedelic
• 25:03
  black metal or like, you know, fucking whatever, man,
• 25:05
  everything you had kind of having a black metal fucking
• 25:07
  curve to it. You know, it's like right now
• 25:10
  we're actually this Friday, we're at Burlington's bar here
• 25:14
  with three bands that are fucking great death posters on
• 25:18
  Brutal Panda, which is like. Fucking love death pose dude I
• 25:21
  love them they're so good. Post post post something.
• 25:28
  Post something. After something for sure.
• 25:30
  I don't know what the fuck it is.
• 25:31
  It's fucking great though. They used to be called Big Bird,
• 25:34
  which I think is like such a wild name.
• 25:36
  Like I was. I literally was like, why did
• 25:39
  you change it? And obviously fucking Brutal
• 25:42
  Panda was a little scared about releasing a record by a band
• 25:45
  called Big Bird, but what a name.
• 25:47
  And then Something is Waiting, which I do a lot of artwork for,
• 25:51
  I should say. By a lot, I mean all that.
• 25:53
  Those guys, one of my favorite dudes in the world, they are
• 25:57
  fucking weirdos. Like Total noise rock meets like
• 26:00
  80s, Glen metal meets 90s, like early groove metal.
• 26:04
  It's weird shit. And and then somebody not my new
• 26:07
  favorite guys are Baron Air who are fucking killer.
• 26:10
  They're like super sludgy, slow do me very bass driven.
• 26:14
  I think they're fucking great. There's a hardcore band here
• 26:17
  with like a noise element to it called Sarin, like the gas
• 26:21
  fucking awesome. There's a ready for death who's
• 26:25
  singer of indecision and and Dallas who was in Pelican and
• 26:29
  and Swan King and Ash Chapel. You got primal codes dude from
• 26:33
  the killer and Will Lindsay who was Wilson throwing him and not
• 26:36
  missing him. You have Bear Mace, which is a
• 26:38
  Gary from motherless, one of his death.
• 26:41
  That death metal band is amazing.
• 26:42
  Yeah, I love that band too. Yeah, dude, there's like so many
• 26:47
  good bands. There's embittered who's just
• 26:49
  about to drop a fucking killer record.
• 26:50
  I actually guessed on, dude, so many cool bands here right now.
• 26:53
  I just think that there's not like a focus of really like, you
• 26:56
  know, there's not like, oh, right now Chicago's like doom
• 26:59
  scene or like, you know, Seattle's grunge scene.
• 27:02
  It's not like that. I just think it's kind of all
• 27:03
  over the extreme metal map. So it's kind of hard to like
• 27:06
  really say like, you know, all those vans are killer.
• 27:09
  There's like something for everybody here, which I'm hoping
• 27:11
  that like, I think the scene right now has been very like
• 27:14
  splintered, you know what I mean?
• 27:15
  Like there's like hardcore kids are going to hardcore shows,
• 27:19
  metal kids are going to metal shows, and there's the two now
• 27:22
  shall not cross, it almost seems like.
• 27:24
  Back to that again. Yeah, I know.
• 27:27
  I got my childhood back. Like your childhood?
• 27:30
  Mine as well, you know, like that was going to go and see COC
• 27:34
  and then go see vision of Disorder, you know what I mean?
• 27:36
  And everyone was like, can't do that.
• 27:39
  Well, I bought both tickets so I guess I can, yes.
• 27:42
  You can you can do whatever you want.
• 27:43
  Life is yeah. Here's your own adventure, my
• 27:45
  friend. Yeah really quick.
• 27:48
  Yeah, really quick. And and you don't, you know, go
• 27:50
  as deep or not deep as you want to about this.
• 27:53
  But you mentioned Atlas Marthazana hiatus.
• 27:55
  Been 7-8 years since the last record, which I loved.
• 27:58
  I even bought the the big more detective kit, which was like
• 28:01
  what made me giggle endlessly. I love it so much, everything
• 28:05
  about it and that record. But like, you know, you feel
• 28:07
  like you might, you know, obviously motherless about to
• 28:09
  have a record out big push. You're going to tour hopefully
• 28:13
  as guys can, but like, you know, is there a future for the Atlas
• 28:16
  month? Will it come back someday?
• 28:18
  What do you think? Atlas was just toured last
• 28:20
  month, right? Yeah, we're back.
• 28:22
  We're we're back. We had personnel change.
• 28:25
  Dave Kush has disappeared on us. That's really much.
• 28:28
  That's like inside baseball. I'm not really holding back
• 28:31
  anywhere. Dave Kush disappeared.
• 28:33
  I don't know what happened. He stopped answering our texting
• 28:35
  calls a couple years ago. I hope he's doing OK.
• 28:39
  I say it every time I can, and I'll say it until it happens.
• 28:43
  If Dave hears this, please reach out.
• 28:45
  I'd love to know you're OK. That being said, Marcus, who
• 28:50
  used to play in a little band called Stabbing Westward, he is
• 28:55
  Andrew from the Atlas Spa's brother-in-law, and he has
• 28:57
  toured with us before he stepped into the role man, and we do.
• 29:01
  We had a great tour with them. He it's like family all over
• 29:04
  again. We're kind of like kind of just
• 29:06
  like trying to figure out exactly what the Atlas Spa
• 29:08
  sounds like in 2025, right? We have some covers on the
• 29:11
  horizon that we started a couple years ago that I think we're
• 29:14
  going to revisit completely. And then, yeah, we're going to
• 29:17
  hopefully put out a record or at least record it in 2027.
• 29:20
  That's the plan, sorry. I missed that tour, but if you
• 29:23
  come back again, you know I'm there.
• 29:25
  Any city I'm in, I'll be there in the front row as usual.
• 29:29
  It was a good time man. We went and played prepare the
• 29:31
  ground in Toronto that was. Awesome.
• 29:33
  That's what that was right. That's now I remember that's
• 29:37
  supposed to be cool. They're calling it the North
• 29:39
  American Rd. burn, which I love to make that a thing it.
• 29:42
  Was I played both now? I know it.
• 29:44
  Was very much on that point, man.
• 29:46
  And like I said, we're a fully functional man.
• 29:48
  It's just that I think Atlas Monk is not.
• 29:51
  Atlas Monk made a lot of like pretty rash decisions as far as
• 29:54
  touring because we just wanted to do it all And I think we're
• 29:57
  just old and we just don't want to do that, you know, and now we
• 30:00
  I have motherless and I'm going to do some of that too, you
• 30:03
  know, so like we're we're just trying to make calculated
• 30:07
  decisions when it comes to touring and make it next year.
• 30:10
  We're going to do some 8 for the distance shows.
• 30:11
  It turns 15, so we're going to. Play.
• 30:13
  I was going to ask that. That's great.
• 30:14
  Thank you for helping me with my cycling.
• 30:16
  Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that's going to be you.
• 30:17
  Have records that are turning 15 and 20 soon, which is why like
• 30:21
  your demo and EP and things like that and the the weed album.
• 30:25
  Like this is never the weed EP. I guess glorified will turn 20
• 30:31
  in like a couple years now. Shit, that's wild.
• 30:33
  But yeah, Ache deserves some more.
• 30:36
  Love is always going to be a forever favor of mine, and I
• 30:39
  thank you for making that one. Yeah, I'd like that school to
• 30:41
  kind of revisit their 2011 list. I know that we got screwed on
• 30:44
  that one, but yeah, like we're gonna go and do, we're gonna do
• 30:49
  some festivals next year for sure and try to hit some spots
• 30:52
  playing that fucking record cuz I think it deserves a little
• 30:54
  love. We're gonna do a repress of it.
• 30:55
  I know a lot of people missed out on that vinyl all the time.
• 30:57
  So I did. I want one, Yeah.
• 31:02
  Did you check out the new Deftones yet?
• 31:03
  I know what a big Deftones got. You have been.
• 31:05
  I did. I did.
• 31:06
  I kind of anticipated this question.
• 31:08
  You know it was coming with thoughts on the record.
• 31:10
  So it started at a 6 1/2 for me. I wasn't really feeling it.
• 31:14
  I kind of felt like it. It sounded almost like a little
• 31:18
  uninspired. I actually kind of felt that way
• 31:20
  from the get. So I didn't like Gore at all.
• 31:23
  I remember that I hated. Gore man I thought that album
• 31:26
  sucked and I also remember them talking about how there was a a
• 31:31
  track one deleted off that record last minute.
• 31:33
  I don't know if you remember that.
• 31:35
  I feel like I'm the only one that remembers that but like.
• 31:38
  That's a thing. Make us a song away, yeah.
• 31:41
  Right, so they took a song away the last minute and that band to
• 31:44
  me is like the ultimate track one band, right.
• 31:46
  So I kind of felt like that maybe like threw off Gore for
• 31:49
  me. And then Ohms came out and like
• 31:51
  it wasn't it was good, but was it good enough for me to like
• 31:54
  forget how bad Gore was? No, and it was like kind of
• 31:58
  holy, like forgettable, you know what I mean?
• 32:03
  Like I remember Ohms the song. That's the only song can
• 32:06
  honestly say like that song. I remember everything else kind
• 32:10
  of whatever. So like this one I put on at
• 32:13
  first I didn't like how all the songs were not were all in
• 32:15
  lowercase. I was like this and all the
• 32:17
  songs felt like the the titles were all like working titles.
• 32:21
  I don't know, I'm so close with this band.
• 32:23
  I feel like I'm in the damn band sometimes, you know, I mean
• 32:25
  like, but I've listened to it like 6 Times Now and now it's
• 32:29
  really grown on me. I think it's really good.
• 32:30
  I do think there's a couple of stinkers on there, you know?
• 32:33
  But then again, you know, it's like a tenth album you.
• 32:36
  Know not many bands get to do 10 albums in 30 years and 36 years
• 32:41
  as a band since they were teenagers.
• 32:42
  So it's wild that they have been very consistent.
• 32:45
  This is the biggest gap between records.
• 32:47
  I think the pandemic, I think, you know, Steph and his issue.
• 32:52
  I think the thing with Sergio, we had the first interview with
• 32:54
  Sergio when he left the band. Although I feel like they were
• 32:58
  trying to channel Chi on some of the base work, like the old
• 33:02
  baselines that she used to do, like the rolling counterpoint
• 33:06
  baselines. Yeah.
• 33:07
  I thought there was a little bit of a callback to cheat.
• 33:08
  I didn't feel like that. You know, The thing is like I
• 33:11
  felt like the nighttime sexy vibe wasn't hit.
• 33:15
  I felt they almost replaced that almost with like, hey, here's
• 33:18
  like the radio single version of that.
• 33:21
  You know what I mean? Like I feel like Koino Yokan had
• 33:24
  like this weird almost like shoegaze post metal kind of
• 33:28
  undertone to it. And now they kind of like missed
• 33:30
  like the underground version of that and went to like the radio
• 33:33
  version of it, if that makes sense, which is like.
• 33:34
  Totally. That's fair.
• 33:36
  I I like the I thought the record was both a grower and a
• 33:39
  shower at the same time. And I'll say why I think like on
• 33:43
  the first list. And some of the stuff hit me
• 33:44
  immediately that I really dug. And I think Chino for the first
• 33:48
  time is trying to do some different new and also callback
• 33:52
  things in his vocal stuff. I think that last track is
• 33:55
  beautiful with his deep, deep range that you never hear him
• 33:58
  do. And he wrapped a little super
• 34:00
  cool and I think there was some fun things about it.
• 34:03
  And then there then I thought some of the tracks got better
• 34:06
  with repeat listen. So I'm still like, I loved it.
• 34:09
  But you know, like it's interesting.
• 34:11
  It's the most read review we've had all year.
• 34:13
  So people were obviously thirsty and he talked to he's been
• 34:16
  talking about like, and again, you we would all love this to be
• 34:18
  the case. He's like, how is my band bigger
• 34:21
  than ever after 30 years? We were little kids when we
• 34:23
  started this me, me and Steph and she So like, you know,
• 34:27
  Congrats to them and I knew you would have thoughts and you
• 34:30
  never hold back. So I always appreciate that
• 34:32
  really. Hate them, they're like my
• 34:33
  favorite band ever. Like in like I saw them with 25
• 34:38
  people on adrenaline. You know what I mean?
• 34:41
  I've seen them like I think, I think I lost count in the 40s
• 34:44
  about the times like I've seen them over 40 times.
• 34:46
  I'm never going to need to see him again.
• 34:48
  I don't think I don't want to see him at a basketball stadium.
• 34:51
  I. Did and I loved it, but that's
• 34:53
  me. I'm a freak and I was my brain
• 34:55
  the whole time was like, oh, remember when they couldn't
• 34:58
  bring 100 people in New York and now they're playing to 20,000 in
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  San Francisco, almost a hometown show and they did the arena in
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  SAC the the night before. So like they did two shows in a
• 35:09
  row in in the Bay Area and drew a bunch 40,000 people by
• 35:13
  themselves. Go, let's go, go for it guys
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  Like probs get your bag. Like the musician.
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  I'm like go for it, more power to you.
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  But I have the best memories ever of you.
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  I'm good, you know what I mean? I get that I'll.
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  Probably see him again eventually but I have no
• 35:29
  interest in being around 20,000 people.
• 35:32
  No, like fucking whatever. Change.
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  They only know the TikTok songs. Yeah, the TikTok song.
• 35:39
  You know you need 3 songs. I'll be that guy.
• 35:41
  Fuck you, you know what I mean? I like this family, know him
• 35:43
  like them, so fuck all of you. Yeah, but I think Deftones, the
• 35:46
  real fans are diehards and they love everything.
• 35:49
  And they even they love the record the band hates.
• 35:51
  Like they love that they, you know, they're like, go make
• 35:53
  another record with Bob Ezrin. Maybe it'll be better the next
• 35:56
  time. No one.
• 35:57
  I'm trying to hear those demos. I want to hear a fucking arrows.
• 36:00
  I want to hear Arrows so much and they have played a couple
• 36:03
  things I think we're never going to hear.
• 36:05
  Then we're never going to get it until the band is done.
• 36:07
  Yeah, I think when the band's done, we'll probably get it.
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  I remember hanging out with Abe in Sacramento and him be I'm
• 36:13
  asking him about it and he held up his phone.
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  He goes, I've got the album right here.
• 36:17
  And I was like about to be like, you know, I.
• 36:23
  Stole Abe's phone. Yeah, like what's what's his
• 36:25
  birthday? You know, like a.
• 36:26
  Password is knife knife party. I'm kidding.
• 36:32
  That's awesome man, thank you for sharing all that.
• 36:33
  I knew I could nerd out with you on either this or Floyd.
• 36:36
  So there's not much Pink Floyd to talk about except the guys
• 36:38
  hating each other and how good Pompeii was.
• 36:41
  Real quick last question. I always have a wild card but
• 36:43
  now I gotta ask cuz we talked. You mentioned Batman earlier and
• 36:47
  I see all the toys. What's your favorite toy you got
• 36:49
  on the wall behind you there? Dude, this is like a very small
• 36:53
  part of the collection. I actually wound up like towards
• 36:56
  the end of last year. I wound up kind of like getting
• 37:00
  over living in the city proper and my sister needed knee
• 37:06
  surgery. So when I'm moving in, my sister
• 37:08
  to help her out. So like I'm actually staying at
• 37:10
  her house currently and my collection is very much dwindled
• 37:14
  down to things I've just kind of picked up in the last year.
• 37:17
  So like what what I have behind me is pretty minimal right
• 37:21
  there. But that's the 8/19/89 Joker
• 37:25
  from the movie Batman or whatever holds a pretty dear
• 37:29
  spot in my heart. Right above that is a Japanese
• 37:31
  great Mooda action, which is probably one of my favorites.
• 37:34
  There's the very first Stone Cold Steve Austin action figure
• 37:37
  and a couple of Roddy Piper action figures.
• 37:39
  I collect all Roddy Piper stuff. I'm a big fan of his Terra Fire
• 37:42
  Got Wolverine. You know, it's kind of all over
• 37:44
  the place. I have like a lot of wrestling,
• 37:47
  which is kind of the one thing I collect the most of.
• 37:50
  But then there's like a lot of like, you know, random vintage
• 37:52
  superhero stuff. I like the 80s stuff a lot, you
• 37:55
  know, so. Let me let me not be remiss and
• 37:57
  forget to mention the Jake Disney Roberts promo sample.
• 38:01
  I don't know if you had to clear that or not.
• 38:04
  Well, I didn't. Yeah, they do.
• 38:06
  They do have a person. I know the person over at WWE
• 38:10
  that checks that stuff. She don't watch my channel, so
• 38:12
  don't worry about it. She supports Ghost Cult in other
• 38:14
  ways, not watching our Youtubes and so.
• 38:17
  I've been trying to get sued over music forever.
• 38:19
  Yeah, it's. True.
• 38:19
  It'd be helpful. It'd be helpful it.
• 38:21
  Does. Did you see, I'm sure you're not
• 38:23
  aware of, but Travis Scott, like, ripped off Pixel Grips,
• 38:27
  like absolutely brand new record from July.
• 38:30
  A week later, his record drops with the whole song that their
• 38:33
  song is the bed of his song. They didn't even try to mask it
• 38:37
  out. Like they didn't even try.
• 38:38
  And then they jumped in their comments and apologize.
• 38:41
  We will. Our lawyers going to get in
• 38:43
  touch to clear it. Yo, the record is out.
• 38:45
  You could have tagged us. You're Travis Scott.
• 38:48
  Like, what the fuck? Yeah.
• 38:49
  Terrible Pixel Grip. I love them.
• 38:52
  That, like, had all of his fans, like, just killed in front of
• 38:55
  him and just continued to his concert.
• 38:56
  Yeah. And then people were coming
• 38:59
  after us. We were one of the first
• 39:01
  websites to break the story because the publicist told me
• 39:03
  about it. I didn't know.
• 39:05
  I I didn't, I don't listen to Travis Scott.
• 39:07
  How would I know? And they were like, hey, can you
• 39:09
  help us with this? And I was like, yeah, hell yeah.
• 39:11
  I love Pixel Grip. We've interviewed them and met
• 39:13
  them and everything. And I've seen them here in San
• 39:15
  Francisco and everything and had a fundraiser.
• 39:18
  And they. They were like, yeah, like at
• 39:21
  least tag us, even if you're not going to pay us.
• 39:24
  Anything would help. We're we're a brand new band.
• 39:26
  If you want to take a sample from the 60s or the 70s or the
• 39:29
  80s and it's a song no one remembers or no one's alive to
• 39:32
  to pay, that's one thing. We're a a happening band now,
• 39:36
  making music now. We just pulled a record out.
• 39:38
  They are pretty DIY. They don't have a label.
• 39:41
  It's like, how are you going to rob us?
• 39:43
  Like of all the fucking things and then some.
• 39:45
  His fans were defending him and the producer, well, the artist
• 39:49
  doesn't know where the track came from.
• 39:50
  I'm like, what are you fucking high?
• 39:52
  Probably. But like, get out of here man.
• 39:54
  That's fucking some bullshit. Don't pass the buck and
• 39:56
  apologize because you love the artist.
• 39:59
  That's some bullshit. So I hope they get paid.
• 40:00
  That'd be awesome. I would love to see fucking
• 40:03
  Travis Scott. Well, I was, Yeah.
• 40:06
  Well, hopefully I don't want you to get sued.
• 40:07
  But like, if they found out and they brought some attention
• 40:10
  because Jake the snake fucking rules and that promo is the best
• 40:13
  promo of all time. I think.
• 40:15
  He wasn't, yeah, he wasn't the heel at the time, I think is the
• 40:19
  prevailing thought. But that thing that it fucking
• 40:22
  slams. I'm so I was like my ears perked
• 40:25
  up. That's when I was really into
• 40:27
  wrestling. I haven't really been in a long
• 40:29
  time. I know my friends are still like
• 40:30
  wrestling and I know what a fan you have been from growing up
• 40:34
  so. This is like a basic getaway
• 40:35
  with game that shit with. I always thought I was like,
• 40:37
  this is the one band where I can drop that and and Anthony's a
• 40:41
  big wrestling guy too. So I was like, let's go for it.
• 40:43
  And also Gary hates wrestling so it's easy.
• 40:46
  Because Gary's a prog guy and of course he hates wrestling.
• 40:49
  The wrestling guys beat him up probably his whole life, just
• 40:51
  like me for. Gary, there's also on Christian
• 40:59
  Math, there's a sample from Event Horizon.
• 41:02
  Oh, word yeah, right break. It says this Yes, sample for 20
• 41:10
  years I've like had that shit queued up being like someone
• 41:14
  every time anybody's ever been like, we put a sample in there
• 41:16
  like, oh, I got 1, you know, like fucking I finally worked it
• 41:19
  in. You know, there's like all these
• 41:20
  like little things I had on my list.
• 41:22
  Like I'm like, I'm going to check off every one of these
• 41:24
  motherfuckers with this, with this record.
• 41:25
  And I think I almost did so. Fuck yeah, I am not supposed to
• 41:29
  by nature have favorites, but dude you're one of my favorite
• 41:32
  people. Thank you so much for being
• 41:33
  generous always with your support and your time.
• 41:36
  I'm really proud of you. Please keep your head up.
• 41:39
  Thank you for making this record with your boys Motherless and
• 41:43
  we'll be looking forward to this drop in and hopefully future
• 41:47
  towards and festivals and and more from the Atlas month as you
• 41:50
  figure it out. Thanks so much brother.
• 41:52
  We'll be out there man. Thank you again for everything
• 41:53
  dude, appreciate.