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AEW Headlines and Dynamite Preview - December 5, 2023 · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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It's Tuesday night. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with
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aw Fanhub. I'm Kelson and before we start the podcast, I just want
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to make a announcement. We asked did you listened? And Boy, did
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you listen? Twenty twenty three aw fan Hub Awards nominee announcement video will be
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votes in as you can. So let's get into Ignition. We want to
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talk about the Continental Classic. The brackets are starting to fill out. We've
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got some people with six points already and some people with no points after two
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matches. So the question is who do we see is the four semi finalists,
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two from each league, the Blue League and the Gold League. In
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the Continental Classic. Maybe ultimately maybe you want to say who wins the Continental
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Classic title? The professional? What are your thoughts on this? Yes,
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it is me the professional, first time here on ignition. Thank you everyone.
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First off, my thoughts in the Condomental Classic. This is a fantastic
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tournament. I've never really watched the G One from start to finish when you
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saw it, maybe in twenty nineteen when John Boxes his first year in the
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g One, but I really didn't finish it. But just to see this
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kind of tournament that's similar to the G One here North America, It's been
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fantastic. It's been great, I would say, like in my opinion right
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now, just looking at the standings for each league, you got John Moxley,
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Swerve Strickland both were six points in the Go League, and then you
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got Brody King the only person only wrestler in the Blue League with a perfect
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record too and oh six points. I think those three individuals are gonna be
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in the semi finals. And then you add Brian Danielson into the mix.
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That is my pick for the semifinals. Swerve Strickland, John Moxley out of
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the Goal League, they've got Brody King and Brian Danielson coming out of the
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Bow League, well the professional So we we talked about who has six points
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and who you think is. Do you think any of these wrestlers are going
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to get zero points throughout the whole tournament. Yeah, that's a good question.
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You've got four wrestlers right now with open two records. You got Jay
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Leath and Martin Briscow out of the Goal League, and he got Daniel Garcia
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and Eddie Kingston out of the Blue League, all of zero points, all
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two matches each under their belts. I mean, I'm leaning towards Eddie Kingston
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having no points. I think that, Yeah, I think that this is
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going to start a story where he's just spiraling downward, where he just loses
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a lot of hope, a lot of faith in himself as a wrestler,
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and we start to see that redemption arc. I don't know where he's going
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to culmminate. Maybe it's double or nothing, maybe it's forbidden door, maybe
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it's all in. Who knows, but I think we're there. They're setting
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up for Eddie Kingston's to really have this big redemption arc and maybe that's something
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that he really does well in We saw that with the chase for the ro
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Championship and trying to get back at Claudio for all those years of them hating
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each other. That's what I'm starting to foresee. Maybe Daniel Garcia also or
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could perhaps had no wins, but I think it's coming out of the blue
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league. I don't foresee Mark Brisco not winning the match. I don't foresee
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j Letho not win the match. But again, my my pick is on
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Eddie Kingston to go without winning a single match, and maybe a close second
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would be Dane Garcia lucky. What about you? What do you think?
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Who are your semi finalists for the for the Continental Classic? Uh? Brody
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king Swarft, Strickland and Moxley and Brian Danielson and uh? And who you
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got is the winner? I want Swerve to win? You want? And
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do you think anybody's gonna come up with zero points? Sadly, I think
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one of my favorites, Eddie Kingston, is gonna be zero, but I
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hope not. But I think what they're gonna do is that he tried to
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be the big bad guy or the big guy with like the two titles.
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He put him up there and then he lost it even though he didn't need
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to, and now he's going to lose him and then probably go down like
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either he probably heeled route and do something there. I don't know, but
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sadly I think he's going to be a zero points You know what shades when
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when Eddie Kingson lost his first match, I was thinking, Okay, they're
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setting him up for this massive comeback. Do you think that the down two
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matches now at zero points, is that insurmountable or do you think they may
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still have him come back and sneak his way into semi finals. I think
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it would be really contrived if if Eddie came back now. I think I
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think Eddie needs some adversity. We've seen Eddie overcome the odds with you know,
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Claudio to win the title, but he's he's no. I don't see
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Eddie coming back from O two. My semi finalists out of the Blue League
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are gonna be Danielson and Andrade Ledelo, because I think they're priming Andrade for
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a huge push, and I think he's gonna have a monster confrontation with Miro
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at some point obviously, and then out of the Gold League. I have
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swerved like everyone else, and I've vastly I thought Moxley at first, but
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I'm like, you know, I think it would be better for the tournament
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if it were not Moxley. It would be better for the tournament if it
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were Jay White. And I know Jay White has lost to Swerve, but
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that's the only match he needs to lose. Like Jay White could go four
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and one and get twelve points and still be in the Semis. And so
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I think it's gonna be Swerve and Jay White, and it's gonna be My
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Danielson in Andrada, and I think Danielson's gonna win. And I think Eddie
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is going to beat Claudio this week though, so he's gonna it's Eddie's not
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gonna go over because I don't think. I don't know, maybe Eddie will
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lose to Claudio, but Eddie's gonna pick up a win somewhere, probably over
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Daniel Garcia, who is gonna go over the tournament. I think the story
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with Daniel Garcia this year has been that he's had all of these big matches
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and these big opportunities and he's just come up short in all of them.
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And now he's gonna wash out of this tournament, and he's gonna have this
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existential like who am I am? I even a wrestler kind of thing,
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and he's gonna have a big redemption arc. And I think Daniel Garcia is
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gonna be a major star by the end of twenty twenty four. But he's
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got to go down to the bottom for that to happen. And so I
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think he's gonna wash out with zero wins in this tournament. You think that
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that Daniel garcias I agree with you, is Daniel gar his redemption are going
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to be with the Don Kallis family. No, I think he's gonna do
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his own thing. I think that, Okay, I think part of it
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has been like he kind of got lost a little bit in the Jericho appreciation
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society and now he's kind of meandering around with two point zero and so,
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like, you know, I think for Garcia's character, it would be better
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if he actually did not join a group and if he actually were his own,
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you know, wrestler, and then maybe somebody like you know, like
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he he might have kind of a reconciliation with Jericho and maybe some one off
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tag match or something, But like I don't see, Yeah, I don't
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see him joining the Kallous family because I think his focus is gonna be becoming
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a wrestler, like the best wrestler he can be, and not being Don
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Callas's pond for revenge against Kenny Omega. So interesting point. What about you,
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Benji, who are your semi finalists and who do you think is if
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anyone is gonna end up with no wins in this tournament or he's gonna win
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the whole thing, Benji, More than anything, I think it's gonna I
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honestly believe that it's gonna be served in Jay White and the semmer finals all
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the Blue team while the Golds are right and then O the blue side is
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definitely gonna be Daniels, and I think it's gonna be brought to king in
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that semi. On that side, I think, I hate to say,
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I think Mark Briskow is gonna go without a win and on that side,
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and I think I I degree in saying that Daniel Garcia might go without a
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win. On the other side, Kingston I think might just end up winning
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one maybe, but regardless, he's gonna end up losing both titles. I
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think it's like people said, he's gonna end up going down where he's just
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lost. He needs to reinvent himself. Kingston's always been better as the underdog.
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He's always put better matters as people essentially disrespect them, don't have faith
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in them, and just basically see him as someone that can't basically win the
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big match. And that's gonna be coming back around with this with him losing
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the tournament, losing both titles and essentially putting him back in a place where
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when it came down to push and show, he just couldn't hack it.
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And then on the other side, I think j Whye makes a comeback.
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I honestly think that Jay wise where semi final will be the best thing for
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the tournament. Well, I would love to see Maxley there, but I
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think Moxley can't be the guy that everybody just depends on whenever aw is in
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trouble. That Maxley is the guy that's gonna bring us out of trouble.
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And I think that's the big thing that people see is that, Okay,
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well, who can you depend on is Moxley. So that's why I feel
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like Moxley's gonna be the one essentially putting swoarover he's gonna end up putting Jay
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White over and so then semi finals on the tournament. I would love to
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swear win it all, but I think he has a better chance of becoming
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a even a bigger start by Jays going after the AE Championship. So I
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think that overall the winners going to be Daniel Bryanson with the fact that he's
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retiring, no need to actually focus much on the Bringer Bonner Championship as opposed
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to the Japan Championship since they're not gonna be really on TV as much.
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You know, the thing that interests me the most about this is that we
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keep talking about Brodie King, and that brings us into the next topic of
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conversation because Brodie King is with the House of Black, and it seems like
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the House of Black is on a collision course part of the pun with FTR.
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Now here's the thing. People on social media, whether it's on Twitter
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or on our subredd at aw fan hub Uh, they're talking about, well,
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there's three in the House of Black and there's only two in FTR.
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So that means there's really a couple of questions here. Who would FTR get
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to be the third or do you think that maybe it'll just be FTR,
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you know, Cash and Dax against Buddy and uh, Buddy and Malachi.
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I mean, maybe Brody's going to be too busy, uh, defending his
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own championship to worry about the House of Black trios thing. So are we
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are we going to be doing a trios? Are we going to be doing
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a tag team? Here? The professional? I mean, what are your
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who? If we are going to do a trios? Who do you think
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may fit the fit in with fr The only person I can think of right
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now, and it's it's pretty I don't want to say it's sad, but
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just like he came back, but they didn't really lead into anything. And
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that's Sean Spears, you know. And I'm only saying as because I think
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someone on redd end I can't remember which page, but they're like, oh,
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they're getting the Pinnacle back together or something like that. But ask the
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person can think, though we know the obvious joye is he was still here,
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it would have been filled, but I don't. I just don't know.
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I don't see anyone else fill in that role right now, and I
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kind of I'm glad that you asked the question, Like would there even be
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a third man because the way Brody Chenance go on right now, he's really
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showing a lot of work, that good work you can do as a singles
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competitor. Like I don't know if we kind of want to put him back
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into not saying we should take them out of the House of Black, but
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maybe we just let that be its own thing. Maybe it's just Malachi Black
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and Buddy Matthews against FTR. Maybe there is no third man because I don't
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know how you. I don't know how you bring Brody King into the fold
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after such a strong showing, and I'm sure he's going to continue to get
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stronger. As I mentioned, he's more likely going to be a semifinalist.
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I don't know how you bring him into the fold with such a strong showing
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in the Continental Classic where he could become a babyface and put him back as
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a heel. So I don't I don't know if it even makes sense to
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p a trios right. No, No, I agree with you. I
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mean, who's to say if perdiy King doesn't win the Continental Classic that he
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doesn't go on to take the DNT Championship for example, or the FTW championship.
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So I mean there's there's different avenues even if Brody King isn't ultimately ultimately
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successful in the Continental class. Let's go to Aki Aki. What do you
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think do you think this is going to be a trios thing with FDR and
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a new partner or do you think it's going to be a tag team thing?
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And if it is going to be a trios thing, who do you
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see as Ftr's partner. I don't know who the partner would be if it's
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trios, but if it's if it's uh, tag teams, then that would
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be pretty cool. I guess yeah, Because I know you're a big,
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big fan of a House of Black. Do you think that this I mean,
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let's just say that the House of Black and FTR is a tag team
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thing and House of Black wins. Do you think this elevates them to a
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tag team championship contender, you know, for a title match? I sure
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hope. So stay same question to you, I mean, what are you
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thinking about this? Because this is kind of good. There's there's so many
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options here. It seems like, yeah, I think the only thing that
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would make me lean toward this being a trio is that Malachi specifically made the
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point to ask FTR who was going to come out to help them, and
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like he kept making the point that FTR had no friends, like, like,
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nobody's coming out for you. So I feel like they're obviously setting up
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for someone. I don't know who it would be, though, I Spears
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is a good name. I don't know if it's the right name though,
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because I don't think. I don't know. I mean, it would certainly
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fit. I just think I would be a little underwhelmed by that, not
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because it's Seawan Spears, just because I don't we haven't seen Shawn Spears a
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lot, and so it's really hard for me to get super invested in this
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story. That's kind of getting pretty personal pretty quick between the House of Black
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and FTR. And by the way, while we're on this topic, how
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about House of Black getting more babyface love than FTR. Oh wow, Yeah,
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I think I think we're gonna see FTRS start to head back more of
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a heel direction, and I think it's the right callants. Nobody wants to
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boo the House of Black. I'm sorry, nobody wants to boo them so
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you can make them as nasty and as blimey and as healthy as you want.
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They're cool as hell and people don't want to boo them. It's that
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simple. Yeah, it really is that simple. That's a really good point
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one thing that I wanted to ask you, Shades, and then we'll go
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on to to Benchi. Who is team with FTR in the past? I
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know Mark Briscoe has, that's an option maybe, but who else is teamed?
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Can anybody think of anybody else that's team with FDR, not including the
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Pinnacle right, Yeah, I mean their Spears has definitely teamed with them.
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I think too. I think you know did at one point or something like
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that, there was one true words that did I think I don't know that.
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I could just be that could be stressing affecting Oh Phil well obviously see
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him punk did. Yeah, but that's not going to be an option thing.
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That's not that's not happening. Sorry, Well, you know, Betji,
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you know, thank you for waiting and bring us home. Pal.
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Look, what are your what is your take on all of this? So
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we've talked about here with the House of Black and FDR, I mean the
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House of Black kid like people have said, you know, has been pushing
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for FTR. You know who's here to help you. They basically told them,
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you guys are alone. No one in the locker room loves you.
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Everybody hates you. You have no friends. You know who's going to come
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and save you. And I know that the picture has been out there with
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spears. But the more and more I think about it, and the more
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that I thought about it, even right now doing everybody talking to me with
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brody King Bean and High that he is coming back House of Black for this
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match with FTR. The only person that I can honestly seek coming in to
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help them with that behemit of brody King is going to have to be Warlow
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because there's been a couple of situations where they helped each other out, not
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necessarily by tagging together, but different times where they've basically given each other the
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no outside of the Pinnacle, the only way that I can see them is
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them essentially turning to Warlow asking for itself, because I mean, rody King
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is an animal by himself, and you know, not many people can match
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up size with them. I think Warlow is definitely the guy that can beat
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him size size and actually give him a match. Outside of those squatch matches
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that he's had so at least to me, if someone were to pay up
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with them someone on the roster, my vote would be for Warlow. Do
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you think it's possible, Beggie that Warlow can can't power bomb Brody King.
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He could probably do it, but I mean decisively. I think he probably
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could with Lettle Hope from Are essentially to do that bar bomb with all three
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of them helping him put them up, which would definitely throw an amazing pop
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at that moment. But I don't think it'll happen in a match, at
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least not in this Trials match if it sets up that way, because people
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like this said, you know, people don't want to boo that was a
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black. At this point, I can see how's a black winning the match
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fgr essentially attacking house. The Black will Warlow and then essentially at the end
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after the match maybe power Bombina for that he'll turn as in. Basically,
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they they just don't care anymore. They're dune paying by the rules. Yeah,
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you know, regardless of what anybody is, what anybody says about a
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w one thing that seems readily apparent is that they are doing a lot of
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work in the tag team division, and there's a lot of tag teams in
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the men's tag team coming out. I mean, and if you look at
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it with Julia Hard having a belt, Brody King realistically about to have what
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essentially to three belts, you know, I mean, he's doing well.
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A tag team title match for the House of Black may be on the horizon.
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But one thing we don't have, and this is something that we've talked
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about before on this podcast, but not with these podcast members, so to
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speak, is one of the arguments is that we've seen all the time is
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that AW has too many belts, and that's the main reason given that people
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don't want to see a women's tag team division, I personally would like to
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see a women's tag title because it would a give the women something more to
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do in a meaningful way, and b because a lot of the matches that
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the women have already are either multi women or tag team matches, So why
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not make those matches that we're putting on anyway meaningful? So the question I
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want to ask the panel, and we'll start with the professional, is if
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we're going to do a women's tag title, do you really think that that's
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a good idea? Right now or and if it is a good idea,
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I kind of want to let's limit it to about three tag teams. Name
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some tag teams in the women's division that you would like to see, not
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necessarily be world champion, world tag team champions, but that would be interesting
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to watch. What do you think? Yes, I GOREE. I think
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this is such a loaded question, and I'll give you a reason because,
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for like, since adm's existence, and you've heard that Tony Kahin doesn't care
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about women's wrestling. It's not enough women on the show. There's only one
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match on Guy Might and that I can get into that topic a lot longer,
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but just to stay on topic with this question, I think having a
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tag team or tag team championships for women would test if AW fans will actually
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support more women's wrestling. And I only mention that is because what I saw
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when I was in Toronto at the Forbidden Door where once the women's match came
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on, I had not seen so many people go to the washroom at one
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time throughout that show until that woman's match started, and I thought that was
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disrespectful, especially given that people were mentioning like, oh, Tony doesn't care
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about the women, but no one's You all are supporting them the same people
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that are complaining, you're buying a lot of merchandise. You're saying that,
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oh, she needs to give me a reason to care, No Show,
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Show, Tony Show, Warner Brothers, Discovery that you all care about women's
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wrestling enough where there's more than one match on Dynamite, there's more than just
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one promo, you know, like the same person that owns AW also owns
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ROH and you have women's wrestling there, but you all aren't flocking to watch
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ROH to see a great storyline with Athena. You all aren't watching that.
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So if you want an institute tag team championships, I don't know if fans
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will pay attention enough for it to be relevant. I think it's a great
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idea, but I don't think right now a lot of fans would pay attention
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enough to where a tag team championship is warranted and it can be relevant.
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Because we can complain about there being so many belts in aw but I don't
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think a lot of people can name a belt that's irrelevant. International title has
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a prestige, The TNC Championship has retis, CBS Championship has fristige. Obviously,
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the World Championship has prestige, and the tag team titles have prestige.
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Yeah, we can talk about ROH, but not with AW. So I'm
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very opinionated on this the professional I will say this, and I've said it
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before. I don't feel like the FTW Championship has any prestige whatsoever. I
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don't feel like the Trio's Championship has any prestige whatsoever. And I think a
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women's tag title would be even better than the Trios Championship. And frankly speaking,
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for the longest time, I was calling the International Championship the in Consequential
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Championship because it was a one note, one trick pony that was boring to
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me. You know, now some people will disagree with me, and I
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respect that, but we'll have to see on that. Because if Orage Cassidy
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keeps this title and does the same thing you did before, then I'm on
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the I'm just gonna be it's gonna be the Inconsequential Championship. But I want
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to move on to Acky because Aki, you've been with since the very beginning,
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so you know, I mean, you're you know your stuff. When
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it comes to a w and I want to get your perspective on one question,
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and of course I answer to the other questions too. Do you think
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we should have a tag title? Ed? Do we? Also? You
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know who do you think would be good tag teams? But one other question
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I want to ask you is oversay the last two or three months, do
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you think AW has been getting better with what they're doing with the AW Women's
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division or worse better? How so what makes you say that they're better?
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Because anytime Tony Storm comes out, or Julie Hart comes out, or whenever,
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like when uh uh newell O Nightingale comes out, there's always a reaction.
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And right now it's also Skyblue because she's involved with Tony Storm. Great,
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Yeah, we're gonna be talking about that Tony storman sky Blue batch a
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little bit later. And uh, I think for the for the titles,
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I think they should get rid of the Trios title and then give it to
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or not give it but like a chain or like put a women's tag division,
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because they you already have a pretty good men's division, so having something
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that the ladies can fight for, like a title or a tag title,
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can help them like get more experience or something. Yeah, I mean,
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Stace, what do you think about that? Because I know, like sometimes
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when I'm thinking about who has the aw titles, I sometimes even forget about
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the trios titles completely because it seems like Tony conn is forgetting about him sometimes.
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Yeah, I mean, I think the Trio's belts are just kind of
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like the Acclaimed Vanity Championship right now, the ABC as it were. But
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as far as these women tag titles go, here's the conundrum. It's not
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that we don't have enough quality women to support a tag division. We do.
28:32
It's not that adding a title belt would create too many belts. It
28:37
wouldn't. It's that in order to support a tag division, the women are
28:42
going to have to get more time on television. Right So now, kind
28:52
of like what the professional is saying, if Tony wants to test the viability
29:00
of more women's wrestling, he's gonna have to give him some of that time.
29:03
He's gonna have to, even if it's just on Rampage. Like I've
29:07
been for I have for a year. I have been one behind the idea
29:12
of completely rebranding Rampage as I would prefer I would not prefer I would be
29:21
okay with it being just a women's show. Probably wouldn't. I don't think
29:26
Tony would do that. But if it had, if you had more women's
29:30
segments on rampages then you had men's segments, I think that would be fantastic.
29:34
And so that way we can at least create a place for these women
29:38
to be like even if even if it's not great to start with, right,
29:45
the women need these opportunities to get out there and get reps and get
29:48
practice cutting promos and get practice being in a weekly episodic format so they can
29:56
learn how to be professional wrestlers on television and so, but they can't do
30:03
that if they're only given one match a week and one backstage segment a week.
30:07
It's just not And they've gotten a little bit more recently, but so
30:11
I think the tag titles can work. The women just need the time to
30:17
be able to do that. And as far as teams, I think you've
30:21
got Willow and Statlander right now as a team. I think you've got Mercedes
30:23
Martinez and Diamante as a team. I think you could have when she comes
30:30
back, even though she just had her baby, you'd have TJ as a
30:34
team. You know Tay Kwon, Tay Mellow, and an A Jay.
30:41
It's unfortunate that the Bunnies no longer with aw because the Bunny and Penelope Ford
30:45
would have been a great team. So Penelope could find someone to link up
30:48
with though, yeah, you know plenty of women. There's plenty of potential
30:52
teams out there. Shace. Let me ask you a question, then we'll
30:56
go on to Beggie. I'm gonna Benjie the same question to you. We
30:59
just saw on a collision what I thought was a really good her best promo,
31:07
and that was sky Blue. Do you agree with that? I do
31:11
agree with that. It was definitely pre recorded, so which is great.
31:18
You know that's how they start, You start with your pre record. Tony
31:21
Storm doesn't cut live promo, she cuts pre tapes. Okay, not everyone
31:25
can cut a live promo very well. But if they let them get more
31:30
experienced to doing those pre tapes, then yeah, maybe you could stick a
31:33
live mic in sky Blue's hand in six months and see what happens. But
31:37
only if you give him a place for that to happen. So what do
31:41
you think, Benji? Do you think your sky Blue cut a good promo?
31:45
I think your promo was okay. I mean, obviously she needs a
31:48
lot of work on the MIC. I mean a lot of the women don't
31:51
get Mike time, so it's hard for them to develop their skill. But
31:55
giving them more time, you know, and pre recording the promos is definitely
32:00
going to help them. I think Skype Blue can definitely get better. But
32:06
to answer the rest of the questions, I honestly think that they could use
32:09
the women's texting division. There's a lot of women on the roster that can
32:14
team up. But like everybody else said, they definitely need more time on
32:19
the shows. Definitely be pushing a women's match on every show. Really,
32:24
there's signs where you can go shut single women's matches, but I think having
32:30
a single match on every show is a good start, you know. Definitely
32:35
having shows with multiple women matches is going to be a great push towards that
32:38
as well. But that's the main thing, like everybody says, I mean,
32:43
I believe that they have the women roster to make a tackting division for
32:46
the women's The belt are definitely going to be relevant because you have a lot
32:51
of women that can be in title pictures right now, so having them in
32:54
tacting title pictures makes more sense just because of the fact that the roster is
33:00
so big, so you have the ability to branch out to that. For
33:05
the women's division and as far as tag teams, I think one of the
33:09
ones that people want to see that we were seeing prior to her getting into
33:15
with the Baker Jamie Hater team, you know, and you know, I
33:22
think that would make a really good team. I actually think if she were
33:27
to if they were actually both for to come back, Serena Deep and then
33:30
the Rosa actually teaming as a veteran team to show please, Oh that's so
33:37
good. I didn't even think of that. Having them team up to show
33:42
the younger talent, you know, this is what you can do, this
33:45
which you can accomplish, you know, would be a I think a great
33:47
team, a veteran team that people can say, well, you know,
33:51
because both Serena Deep and the Rosa can definitely put on great matches, and
33:57
teaming them up I think would be a great point of view into showing the
34:00
women's division and attacking division that's going to be strong. Jamie Hayter and Britt
34:07
Baker have always had chemistry in the ring, so I think that's also going
34:12
to be something that can shine for the women's division as a tag team.
34:17
Mercedes and Diamante and again another two people that have been teaming up lately and
34:23
can show that they can team up and have a good team. If I
34:28
were to put up some of the younger women together with everything that's been going
34:32
on, I would say Julia Hart and Sky Blue as teaming together with everything
34:38
as far as the story arc there's been going on, is she turning turning?
34:44
Is she going a separate way? You know, if they do continue
34:47
to story arc, and then like it was mentioned, also Willow and Statlander
34:53
also teaming up. So you know, you have a lot of women that
34:57
aren't in title pictures outside of Julia a heart that can actually team up together
35:01
and show a strong women techtic division, not just teams that you're pulllling out
35:06
at the nerve because a lot of these women's have had tag matches together already.
35:12
Right, you know, let's go right into our diet of my preview.
35:15
Let's stick with the women's division. Let's let's just skip right to that.
35:19
We've got a World Women's World Championship match, Tony Storm versus Sky Blue.
35:23
Now I don't know what the rest of you think, but I really
35:27
am shuddering at the thought of sky Blue eating a pin. You know,
35:31
I want to see some story here, and there's ample opportunity were story here.
35:37
We've got Mariah May, who is the super fan of Tony Storm or
35:40
is she? You know's There's been some facial expressions and things like that.
35:46
The Mariah May is maybe not exactly what she seems. And then with sky
35:52
Blue that you have Julia Hart also, is there a possibility that during this
35:58
match we see just all whole bunch of something going on? What do you
36:02
think the professional Yeah, it's tough because Tony Storm obviously needs a challenger and
36:15
sky Blue is there. But I don't think we've seen conclusion to sky Blue
36:22
story with Julia Hart. You know, maybe she gets involved bad way.
36:29
I really don't like like the I guess having someone get involved in a match,
36:34
you know, to like a distraction finish. I think it's a little
36:37
too sports entertainment. But to your point, having heard just lose this match,
36:45
it's kind of gonna suck. But I mean, she she has to
36:46
eat the pin here, But I'm interested to see how creative they get with
36:52
her loss. That's that's why I'm looking forward to, like what what story
36:59
she is she going to have, you know, after this loss, Like
37:01
where is her direction is going to Also with Mariah May, like how is
37:07
she going to factor into this match? You know? So I'm interested in
37:10
those two storylines or those two future stories, but I just don't I just
37:17
don't. Again, I don't like the distraction finish. So that's why I
37:22
just have a lot of interest in just the future of those stories because obviously
37:25
she's gonna lose, but I just want to know what happens after this loss.
37:31
Yeah, I mean, I'm with you on that. Aki. Do
37:35
you think that there's a I mean, I don't think anybody here think this
37:39
was a chance that sky Blue is going to walk away with the aw Woman's
37:44
World Championship. So would you be satisfied with just a you know, ten
37:49
minute, nothing happens match or do you want to see something happen during this
37:52
match with Mariah May, Julie Hard or something else getting involved. I honestly
37:59
think that Mariah or I think mostly Julia Hart is going to get involved because,
38:07
uh, the last I think collision when Abadon won, Julia Hart came
38:13
out, and I think what Julia is going to try and do is like
38:19
pick up anyone that like she can, and I hope that one of them
38:24
is Julie or sky Blue, and maybe Mariah May might come out if,
38:32
like, if sky Blue is beating her and Mariah May comes out to save
38:39
uhh uh Tony Storm a loss or something. But I hope that something storyline
38:47
driven comes out of this. I agree, what about you Age, where
38:54
are you on this? Because I'm really confused that this is just a squash
38:59
match, glorified squash match at least, I just don't see why. Yeah,
39:05
I mean, it's one thing to say that sky Blue is eating a
39:07
lot of pins. She can eat one more like. I don't think it'd
39:10
be the worst thing in the world, but I do want to see something
39:15
a little bit more than just a ten minute match where sky Blue eats a
39:19
pin. I think for my I think what's most likely going to happen is
39:23
you might see someone like Mariah May try to get involved and it looks like
39:27
she's trying to help Tony, but her quote unquote help is not helpful at
39:34
all, And then you start to wonder whill is she doing? That on
39:36
purpose right and now, and so I think that Mariah may looks like she's
39:42
trying to help, but she's actually not helping. But maybe she's doing that
39:45
on purpose. Is kind of the story here. I think Julia is gonna
39:53
leave Sky alone just for a little bit, and then it's going to reappear
39:59
at some point l her down the road to come and collect a sort of
40:05
her claim on Sky At this point about let me ask let me ask you
40:10
a question real quick. Shades though, because we saw Julia Julia Hart spit
40:16
the mist into sky Blue's face, sky Blue's eye makeup similar to what happened
40:22
with Julia Hart kind of spread, but now it's kind of like Julia Hart's
40:29
makeup now when she when Julia Hart was in The Cheerleader aspect of her of
40:34
her gimmick, her eye makeup was not nearly as pronounced as it is now,
40:42
you know, so her same thing with sky Blue or sky sky Blues
40:46
got a more pronounced makeup, but it's not like the eye rot anymore.
40:52
Do you think that she's already turned into she's playing people? You know?
40:55
Is that the is that what's going on with the character right now? I
41:00
think there's room for that if that's the way they want to go. I
41:04
think I think obviously sky is not free of Giant Julia's influence. I think
41:14
that's obvious how that plays out. There's there's there's many different ways you could
41:20
go, so it's hard to predict. Another question that this is a stupid
41:25
question. I fully admit that this is a stupid question. If I haven't
41:29
gone back and looked at Collision yet, was Sky Blue when she cut that
41:32
promo? Backstage she was in her wrestling gear? Was she in her Scooby
41:37
Doobie blue gear? Was she back at into a blue gear? I can't
41:42
remember. I think she was. I don't think she'd wear her Scooby Let's
41:46
not let's not get too I just think it's funny. But Benji, who
41:52
do you think is gonna, uh, what do you think is gonna happen
41:55
with this Sky Blue match? To a you think we're gonna get ten minute
41:58
match with nothing? Or what do you think might something might happen? So
42:02
I think May is gonna have an integral part in this match. I think
42:07
the build up is essentially going to be a May versus Tony Storm type of
42:13
match. She's she's coming in as a super fan. At some point,
42:17
you know, it's gonna get to a point to where May is getting involved
42:22
in the matches. I think she's gonna get involved in this one. But
42:24
the main thing is at some point Tony Storm is going to be ungrateful for
42:31
what May has done for her, essentially causing May to turn on her.
42:37
I think that's at least me, that would the story or that I would
42:39
go with with those two. I think that judio Hart might not make appearance
42:47
at this point. You know, I think she definitely will make an appearance
42:52
at some point. It just depends on who's the contender for the for that
42:59
TB a title to challenge Julia. I think when Julie, when sky Blew
43:06
is a turning or essentially becoming part of Julia and House Black, will be
43:13
in a title defense where skuy Blue essentially helps Julia retain that title, essentially
43:22
showing that she's just like someone said, you know, she's been playing everybody
43:24
along. You know, she's been there is just that she just wants to
43:29
portray something else and make people believe in her. But I think that's what's
43:32
gonna happen in that side. But I honestly think that that May is gonna
43:37
make a make cause of part in this match. I think it will be
43:39
a good match, but it's gonna build up towards a few I agree with
43:50
you, and I wouldn't be surprised if Mariah May at some point just utters
43:52
these classic words, never meet your heroes. It's a hipple is that?
44:00
Let's move on? Gosh? What do I want to talk about next?
44:02
We're going to do a couple more Dynamite previews here. Let's talk about well,
44:09
gosh, it's really hard to pick. I want to say I'm going
44:12
to save the Copeland and Cage match for last. Let's talk about MJF and
44:17
Samoa Joe against the Devil's goons. Most people seem to think that they figured
44:22
out who the goons are, you know, most people were saying it's the
44:28
Kingdom basically. But do you think the Devil may reveal himself and tomorrow night?
44:36
I kind of don't. But if not, you know when, when
44:39
when do we think the Devil should reveal himself? Because if it drags on
44:45
too long, do you think people are going to lose interest in the Devil?
44:49
The professional? What do you think about that. Yeah, I think
44:54
the goons are going to be the Kingdom. I thought that the Kingdom involved
45:00
since we started this entire story with the Devil. To answer your other question,
45:07
I think that the reveal of the Devil is not going to happen to
45:10
worlds In. I've always thought that, like, well not, Actually,
45:14
I take that back. I didn't always think that. I thought originally it
45:16
was gonna happen like during the Dynamite in Montreal. I just thought like it
45:23
was always gonna be like some kind of flaky finish to get the title off
45:27
of MJF aligning with the whole Gidding War for twenty twenty four, thing like
45:32
that. But once they introduced this new pay per view World's In, that's
45:37
when my thinking changed to the reveal of the Devil being at World's Inn,
45:44
just keeping up with the namesake. It's, you know, World's In.
45:46
Maybe it's the end of jf's world especially as champion. As world Champion,
45:52
so I think that's when they're going to reveal who the Devil was. In
45:57
my opinion, I think it's Adam Cole, But I'm just interested to see
46:00
how they work this with his legit ankle injury. But that's when I think
46:07
that they'll do the reveal of the Devil. It will be at the World's
46:09
End pay re view. Yeah good. I'm glad you said to who you
46:14
think the devil is, because most of the panel here we've never actually asked
46:19
them who the devil they thought the devil was, so the professional things the
46:22
devil is Adam Cole. So let's move on to ship. Let's move on
46:25
to Aki. I know, Aki, you said who you think the devil
46:29
is before? But have you changed your mind? Because each week it seems
46:34
like somebody is getting eliminated and eliminated. But more importantly this match, do
46:38
you think that the Kingdom is the goons? And what do you think the
46:42
Devil's going to relieve, you know, reveal themselves. You know, when
46:46
people were criticizing the Kingdom, mostly Keilson, I always thought that maybe they
46:52
should know what are you talking about? I did. I thought that they
46:58
should be like cult leaders, not to the point of like join the Dark
47:02
Order type of cult leaders, but more like I don't know, Heaven's Gate,
47:09
but like I think that them being the goons would work pretty good because
47:16
it might not be like cultish, but you know, it could work because
47:21
they aren't really doing anything and that could be a pretty cool twist. Who
47:25
I think the Devil is? Hmm, you don't know. Okay, Well
47:35
let's look at it this way. Let's see what Shades has to say,
47:39
because Shades, I don't think you and I have ever talked about this.
47:42
Who do you think the Devil is? And I have a little bit of
47:45
a follow up question, you know, with about that, with do you
47:50
think that the Goons are the Kingdom? And uh what else? What do
47:54
you when's the prime time for the devil to reveal himself or herself? Well,
48:01
first of all, I don't think the Goons are getting revealed tomorrow because
48:05
we still have a little more time before World's End. And I don't think
48:08
the Goons are gonna get revealed until like really close to the show, and
48:13
so I think they'll try and then they'll get away. I think the Devil
48:19
is Adam Cole primarily. However, I think it probably will come out at
48:24
some point that there's been there's been multiple devils. I think that's you know,
48:30
kind of like this whole Scream situation. But ultimately Adam Cole is the
48:34
one orchestrating it along with the help of the Kingdom and Roderick Strong and Wardlow.
48:40
I think you think it's pretty obvious Wardlow is one of the goons.
48:45
There was a big dude out there last week, and then Wardlow came out
48:47
for his next match and his hair was all messed up from the mask.
48:51
So I think Kyler Riley is another one of the potential goons. But I
49:00
don't think we'll learn anything new tomorrow. But you don't think that Kyle O'Reilly
49:04
is the devil? You think he's a goon? Right, Well, no,
49:07
because I don't Kyle doesn't have main villain kind of energy to me.
49:12
Okay, fair enough, Benji. What about you? Who do you think
49:19
the devil is? Do you think we'll get any reveals tomorrow? What do
49:22
you think? How do you think this is gonna go down? When do
49:23
you think what devil will be revealed? I don't think there's there's gonna be
49:28
a reveal tomorrow. I do think the Coons take the titles for Ring of
49:32
Honor. It starts the down spiral for MJF, you know, based on
49:40
the fact. Also, he's kind of injured, so I think he's gonna
49:43
need some time off as well. But you know, I do believe that
49:46
it's Adam Cole. I've always I felt that it's from the beginning that is
49:50
Adam Cole. I think if he is legitimately injured, Kyle O'Reilly and I'm
49:57
Adam the strongest essentially playing the world of the Devil. In the meantime,
50:04
the Kingdom is definitely part of the Goons. It might be Warlow as well
50:08
as one of as one of the Goons, but I think overall all this
50:12
is the plan of Adam Cole. You know, it's that whole long term
50:16
storytelling, you know, where everything seemed to be fun part at the beginning
50:21
between that tag team with them. You know, I can't remember who said,
50:27
well, I think it was that was that it was basically going to
50:29
come after everything that I'm JF loved, which is basically taking out any and
50:34
offerings that he's had that can help him out with any kind of match,
50:37
which is why some Moore Joe had to step in the attack match. But
50:40
at the end of the day, you know, at world's end, I
50:45
think Adam Cole to be at the corner WARMJF. You know, and somehow
50:52
something happens, the devil appears, you know, costs MGF the title against
50:57
some more Joe and then this revealed that it was Adam Cole behind it all
51:04
at that point, essentially putting MJF in a position where he's back ass as
51:13
a person he was before, which where he trusts no one, doesn't believe
51:16
in anyone. It's only him against the world and making that that return and
51:22
that comeback to come after the world title against one point, maybe later in
51:29
the year next year, so we can see a difference in championships and champions
51:34
between that time. But I think it's at the call behind it all,
51:38
and honestly it wouldn't shock me, but I think it would be a big
51:44
pop, you know, just having them real costing them the title and just
51:49
basically telling them that they told him that that we're going to take everything that
51:52
he cared in love and by taking his friendship with that goal, taking his
51:57
friendships with the acclaim everybody and taking the one thing that he cherishes them all,
52:01
which is the belt. Yeah, you know, I didn't express my
52:08
opinion on this, but I'm going to express my opinion on this now.
52:15
Benjie, You're absolutely right that whoever the devil is, well, practically everybody
52:21
is trying to take what MGF loves the most away from from MGF. He
52:29
loves the belt. He's been going on TV lately saying that he loves aw,
52:35
he loves Adam Cole, you know, and everything has been taken away
52:38
from him. Who has the power other than Adam Cole, who has the
52:43
power to take the belt away from a from MGF, and who has the
52:46
power to over mgf's contract, and who has the power to do things that
52:52
only the true devil can do, and that's Tony Kahn. I said from
52:58
the beginning that I really do believe that would be really interesting twist to have
53:01
Tony Kanna as the devil. Now, if it wasn't the devil, and
53:06
this is completely out there, you guys are going to probably just grown at
53:10
this. But during the early days of the Devil, we had people on
53:15
this podcast that were insistent that CM Punk was the devil. Well, that's
53:21
obviously been thrown out the window. It's not cmpunk. He's no longer with
53:25
the companies, with another company now. Also, you got to keep in
53:30
mind that the devil that we see on screen doesn't necessarily have to be the
53:34
devil that's presented to us in the end. If he is ever presented to
53:37
us in the end, wouldn't it be it be a hoot If the devil
53:43
is revealed to be Cult Cabana, that would be just to be just be
53:49
fitting. That's way out there, And honestly, I've never heard anybody mentioned
53:53
col Cobana's name, and that's why I brought it up, because nobody has
53:58
ever mentioned his name. Let's move on because that's ridiculous. Sorry, I
54:02
put you through that. Let's move on to the final match that we're going
54:07
to talk about, and this one kind of I'm thinking about this kind of
54:12
like the Tony Storm and sky Blue match. I mean, what are we
54:15
going to do here? We've got Adam Copeland versus Christian Cage. This seems
54:25
like a perfect match to get resolved on a world's end to me, not
54:30
on a dynamite in Montreal A chance? He well, was that shades?
54:39
I didn't didn't quite hear you. I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was
54:44
unmuted. Never mind, I'm so sorry. That's fine, But the professional
54:53
do you think that this feud is going to have this match is gonna have
55:00
a clear winner tomorrow night? And if so, who wins And how's it
55:05
gonna happen. Yeah, I don't know about like a clear winner. Like
55:10
I'm actually surprised they're doing it so soon. I get it. They're they're
55:15
trying to move tickets in Montreal. But I think Christian Cage is gonna win
55:22
the match. I don't see this. They ingest their only singles match in
55:28
a w I just I couldnt see that. Uh, maybe they have a
55:31
rematch, you know, at a like Revolution, But I mean I don't
55:37
have to drive it out for a few months. But I think Christian Cage
55:40
wins it. Uh, maybe it's with the help of Nick Nick Nick Wayne's
55:50
mom. Yeah yeah, maybe it's this mom that helps out, you know,
55:58
sort of like a like the finish to that match Christian had against Jericho
56:02
WrestleMania twenty, you know where Tris turned on Jericho. You know, that's
56:08
where I foresee that kind of story indnet, And maybe that's what happens in
56:13
Canada. Maybe we get a screwdrop finished in this match, just no no
56:17
rest. But like maybe it's Nick Wayne's mom that helps out, you know,
56:22
because she's got it going on. That's what I see. I don't,
56:28
like I said, like I said before, I don't see a decisive
56:30
I mean, a clear winner without like some shenanigans. And I do see
56:36
like another match happening between the two, but just I don't think it's gonna
56:38
be anytime soon. But yeah, that's that's what I got. So do
56:46
you think that there's gonna be a clear winner in this match? And I
56:50
mean the professional just brought it up, but I kind of thought the same
56:52
thing. Do you think that Nick Wayne's mob mom is the wild card here?
56:58
She the joker? Probably? But I want Adam Copeland to win.
57:01
Well, of course everybody wants Adam Copland to win. We don't. We
57:05
don't want the father to hear a win. Yeah, but like if if
57:08
Christian wins, I think it's going to be like a one win for him,
57:14
one win for Adam and then them to a world's end or maybe no
57:19
world's end. But like somewhere someware not the professional said revolution gosh shades.
57:27
I mean, do you think that this is just a vehicle to set up
57:30
a future match? Because do you really think that we're going to get any
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kind of you know, not even total resolution, but some resolution tomorrow.
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I don't think there's a shot in hell of this match which actually happens.
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This is yeah, it's not a dying mind, it's not this is a
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pay per view match. Now they've booked this match, but I for see
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thee a situation where you have if you remember, there was this big story
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in old WWF where Mister Perfect was gonna fight Priple Age and it was just
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gonna it was this huge match. It was something you see on wrong and
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right before that match, mister Perfect is attacked in the back and they have
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to card him off to the hospital and so the match doesn't happen, and
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I could see something where he'll switch and Nick Wayne, you know, besides
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attack Adam Copley in the back back before this match starts, so that he
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can't compete and they eventually meet at World's End, but you know, it
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might be something they give Adam a concussion or something a fabe concussion, or
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he has to be up for two weeks, and so now we have more
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build to this match because you just this is you just you can't give this
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away on every television. You can't do it. I think it would be
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it'd be very I question that the decision if they go ahead and decide to
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have this match and then you have another match. I mean, this is
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this is something you build to. This isn't how you start the feud,
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you know what I'm saying. Yeah, well, the physical feud really hasn't
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started yet because other than you know, kicking each other in the crotch,
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there's really not been a whole lot of interaction physically between Copeland and Cage yet.
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And frankly, I agree with you. I don't really believe that the
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very first physical match that she should have official match should be on a dynamite
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in Montreal. I just don't think it's nothing against Montreal. I can say
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a dynamite Connecticut or a dynamite in Washington, d C. Wherever. I
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just don't think it's a dynamite match that people would pay the seat, And
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so why would you not put it on pay per view? That's kind of
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mine exactly. Well, unfortunately Benji has uh had to go and so we're
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so we're going to go to our spicy predictions such now that this is something
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that we do. Uh, you can talk about a spicy prediction about a
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match we've already talked about on or something else you want to talk about for
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Dynamite, could be for Collision, it could be just an outrageous storyline prediction,
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whatever you want to be. So I'm going to put the professional on
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the spot. What's a spicy prediction do you have for us this week?
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Yeah? For for this week, I would probably just go and what I
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mentioned before with the screwjob finish, Like, I think there's a lot of
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meat there and I totally overlooked worlds in with this dude, but I just
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don't I don't think that this is just a one match thing, but that
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that's that's the spicy I guess prediction that I got, Like, there will
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be a screwjob finish there there. They're kind of almost has to be.
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But yeah, that's what I'm going with. What about you, Auki,
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do you have anything spicy for us for this week? Nick Wayne is going
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to take the TNC title. Nick Wayne is going to take the T and
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T title even though he's not in the match. No, No, I
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meant not tomorrow. I meant like in general, whenever we get to that
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point. Yeah, building toward Nick Wayne winning the title from Christian or maybe
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even Adam. I mean it could work either way. Good that if Chris,
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if Dick Wade wins, that Christian gets jealous and sends Nick Wayn into
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his room. M Chades, do you have a spicy prediction for us?
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I do? I think is going to beat John Moxley Clean. Rush is
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going to beat John Moxley Clean. That is spicy. The mill Ry Wow.
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I would have never even thought of that, not even close, because
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I don't think Moxley's can out of this league. I think for a lot
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of the reasons that we're talking about earlier, like it's great that Max has
1:02:07
been there for a w and when, but we need to develop new people
1:02:12
who can be also that and so mox can't come out of the semis on
1:02:21
this tournament. So one of the ways you do that is by having Rush
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sheet and clean, and you give Rooshia Rubb and maybe you start to send
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Moxley toward that vacation he deserves. Well. My spice prediction has to do
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with the ultimate underdog story. And I kind of still think that this is
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gonna happen. I I just can't get it out of my mind. I
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think Eddie Kingston is going to run the table and he's going to reach the
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semi finals in this in this UH, in this tournament, I really do
1:02:52
believe that. I I just don't. I don't see the reason for him
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to lose out. I mean, I know that a lot of you guys
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and I and I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm just being spicy here.
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I know some of you guys have said that he's gonna go over in
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this tournament, and I can see that happening. For something in the back
1:03:13
of my mind is saying that he's going to win out and he's gonna sneak
1:03:16
his way into the tournament because it's going to come down to either Eddie Kingston
1:03:22
or somebody else winning the tournament. And at that point, that's when the
1:03:25
draw happens, and with those with two wrestlers getting one point, it puts
1:03:30
them behind Eddie Eddie Kingston, and Eddie Kingston wins wins, that steaks into
1:03:36
the UH into the semi finals. That's my spicy prediction, and that,
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my friends, is ignition. I'd like to thank Benji Shades, the Vibe,
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the Professional and of course Aki for joining us tonight. We'll be back
1:03:52
tomorrow night for All the Talk. Right after Dynamite, be sure to join
1:03:58
us on aw fanom for a lot chat during Dynamite. We want to hear
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what you want to say, and we will use what you say tomorrow night
1:04:05
as a guide basically for what we're going to talk about. A part of
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it, A part of what we talk about tomorrow night on All We Talk.
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This is Kelson. Good night everybody.