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Sharri | 25 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump lands at NATO, says he's proud of Israel,
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Speaker 3: and lashes out at CNN and The New York Times
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Speaker 3: for claims the nuclear sites weren't obliterated. A B two
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Speaker 3: stealth bomber pilot will be live on the show to
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Speaker 3: give his take on all of this. Leaked recordings of
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Speaker 3: Mossad agents telling Iranian generals they had just hours to
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Speaker 3: flee the calls designed to destabilize the regime. Well Tonight,
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Speaker 3: a long term Mossad division head will join us on
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Speaker 3: the show for.
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Speaker 2: An exclusive interview.
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Speaker 3: I said today Susan Lee calls for more women in
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Speaker 3: politics despite reducing the number of women in shadow cabinet
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Speaker 3: in her first move as.
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Speaker 2: A liberal leader.
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Speaker 3: I'll speak about this with Brahmin Bishop and Graham Richardson
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Speaker 3: a bit later. Plus reporter Caroline Marcus harassed by pro
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Speaker 3: Palestinian activists while trying to cover the Low Tooth case.
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Speaker 4: People.
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Speaker 2: More on that disgusting behavior later.
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Speaker 3: But there's so much to speak about tonight, from Trump's
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Speaker 3: epic spray to Iran's cruel execution of those it claims
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Speaker 3: are Israeli spies. Now, just as the President was looking calm,
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Speaker 3: rational presidential making decisions thoughtfully and in a considered way,
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Speaker 3: he undoes it all with a foul mouthed ti rate.
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Speaker 3: He could have picked up the phone to Israeli Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Benjamin Nettanyahu last night and urged him not to
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Speaker 3: resume the military campaign against Iran, to stick with the ceasefire.
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Speaker 3: He could have had a rational conversation, but instead he
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Speaker 3: criticized one of his closest allies in front of the world.
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Speaker 5: There was one rocket that I guess was fired overboard.
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Speaker 6: It was after the.
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Speaker 5: Time limit and admits it's target, and now Israel's going up.
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Speaker 5: These guys got to calm down ridiculously.
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Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal editorial board summed up this bizarre
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Speaker 3: statement perfectly, writing, Israel and Iran exchanged serious fire in
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Speaker 3: the hours before the ceasefire, as is common, but Iran
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Speaker 3: fired three missiles after the truce went into effect in
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Speaker 3: response miss The Trump unloaded his anger on Israel.
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Speaker 2: For planning to retaliate, and.
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Speaker 3: The piece went on to explain what many guests on
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Speaker 3: this program did.
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Speaker 2: Last night, that it's about deterrence.
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Speaker 3: If there's a ceasefire, it has to be abided by
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Speaker 3: these terrorist regimes, whether it's Iran or Hesbalah or Hamasid's
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Speaker 3: terror proxies, they need to know they can't fire missiles
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Speaker 3: into suburban areas.
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Speaker 2: Into homes whenever they like.
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Speaker 3: But the part of Trump Spray that's had the world
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Speaker 3: in a spin is this explosive sentence. In it, Trump
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Speaker 3: drew an unwarranted equivalence between Israel and Iran, alluding to
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Speaker 3: the forever war narrative.
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Speaker 5: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
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Speaker 5: long and so hard that they don't know what they're
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Speaker 5: doing now.
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Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal again put it perfectly when its
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Speaker 3: editorial board said, the president seem to treat Israel and
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Speaker 3: Iran as to equivalent threats to his diplomacy. Here's what
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Speaker 3: they're doing. Iran fights because it is devoted to Israel's destruction.
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Speaker 3: Israel fights because it is devoted to not being destroyed.
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Speaker 2: Couldn't be said better than that.
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Speaker 3: And Iran needs to now show that it is going
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Speaker 3: to give up its forever goal to destroy Israel.
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Speaker 2: Unless it does this, there can be.
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Speaker 3: No genuine ceasefire, no genuine peace, just a brief truce
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Speaker 3: until the Iranian regime finds another way to kill Israeli's
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Speaker 3: and westerners, and this should be a key feature of
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Speaker 3: the talks that America is urging Iran to resume, and
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Speaker 3: Trump should also insist on Iran providing access to the
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Speaker 3: International Atomic Energy Agency to inspect its nuclear sites. Now,
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Speaker 3: of course, Trump's unpresidential conduct and swearing made headlines the
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Speaker 3: world over, and the papers had some fun with the
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Speaker 3: dramatic events last night with a West Australian headline trump
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Speaker 3: drops f bomb and then also by Chris Doah in
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Speaker 3: the Nightly after Iran broke the ceasefire.
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Speaker 2: Iran can't handle the truce, but.
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Speaker 3: It does look like Trump's public threats to Israel worked.
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Speaker 3: It was diplomatic pressure taken to new and extreme levels
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Speaker 3: that I think are truly unbecoming the president. The President
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Speaker 3: shouldn't have treated Israel that way. It was disappointing behavior
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Speaker 3: from Trump, although there is still cause to be immensely
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Speaker 3: grateful for his military strike that made the world undoubtedly
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Speaker 3: a safer place, and so long as Israel has finished
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Speaker 3: the job, it's not a bad thing. Trump is imposing
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Speaker 3: the ceasefire, and he also has we have to keep
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Speaker 3: in mind a possible ulterior motive as well.
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Speaker 2: He wants to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Speaker 3: He probably doesn't have a chance, but he certainly doesn't
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Speaker 3: have a chance of Israel and Iran are still at war,
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Speaker 3: and just hours after Trump's vicious spray last night, Benjamin Ettaya,
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Speaker 3: who showed he is a true diplomat, remaining composed and
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Speaker 3: gracious even thanking Trump.
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Speaker 7: the Deef.
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Speaker 3: And Ndaya, who has said that the war goals in
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Speaker 3: Iran are complete Israel always expected them to take about
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Speaker 3: two weeks. But then today making major global news was
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Speaker 3: a leaked report by Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency. It's cast
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Speaker 3: doubt on whether the nuclear material has in fact been destroyed,
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Speaker 3: and this report claims that Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium
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Speaker 3: was probably moved to a secret site. Now the key
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Speaker 3: words there are probably moved, so it doesn't seem like
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Speaker 3: this agency knows for certain now. Nedajahu and Trump have
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Speaker 3: both rejected this claim, as has the United States Ambassador
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Speaker 3: to Israel, Steve Wikoff. He said he'd read the damage
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Speaker 3: assessment reports, not just from the American government, he said,
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Speaker 3: from multiple governments.
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Speaker 8: We put twelve bunker buster bombs and four do. There's
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Speaker 8: no doubt that it breached the canopy. There's no doubt
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Speaker 8: that it was well within reach of the depth that
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Speaker 8: these bunker buster bombs go to, and there's no doubt
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Speaker 8: that it was obliterated. So the reporting out there that
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Speaker 8: that that in some ways suggests that we did not
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Speaker 8: achieve the achieve the objective is just completely preposterous.
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Speaker 3: And Trump lashed out at the CNN and The New
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Speaker 3: York Times tonight at the NATO summit. This just in
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Speaker 3: the past couple of hours for publishing reports that the
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Speaker 3: sites hadn't been destroyed. He called them scum, and he
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Speaker 3: repeated that insults multiple times.
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Speaker 9: You had some great reporters, but you have scum. CNN
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Speaker 9: is scum, MSDS is scum. The New York Times is scum.
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Speaker 9: They're bad people, They're sick.
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Speaker 3: He also praised Israel for turning its planes around and
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Speaker 3: sticking with the ceasefire.
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Speaker 9: Israel came back instiday.
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Speaker 10: I'm so proud of them because they came back.
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Speaker 9: You know, they went out because they felt it was
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Speaker 9: a violation, and technically they were right. But it just
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Speaker 9: wouldn't have worked out very well.
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Speaker 10: And they brought the planes back.
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Speaker 3: And Trump said, if he hadn't sent in the B
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Speaker 3: two bombers with the bunker busting bombs, the war on
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Speaker 3: Iran would still be continuing.
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Speaker 10: But had we not succeeded with that hit, that hit
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Speaker 10: ended the war. That hit ended the war.
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Speaker 3: Now, apart from his fury towards the media, Trump seemed
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Speaker 3: a lot calmer today. He's obviously pleased the ceasefire has
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Speaker 3: held for the time being. But while Iran isn't firing
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Speaker 3: missiles at Israel, there are serious repercussions internally. It has
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Speaker 3: reportedly executed three people that it claims were Mossad spies
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Speaker 3: and moss Out, if you don't know, is the Israeli
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Speaker 3: intelligence agency. Iran claims the men smuggled in equipment that
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Speaker 3: we used to kill one Iranian by Israel, and these
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Speaker 3: three men were hanged. And this is the third set
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Speaker 3: of executions of people accused of being moss Had agents,
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Speaker 3: just in the past few days. And this is the
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Speaker 3: true nature of the Iranian regime. It's epitomized by cruelty,
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Speaker 3: theocratic tyranny, persecution, state sponsored violence, and brutality, and looking
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Speaker 3: back now after the past couple of weeks, we have
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Speaker 3: to say it is a great pity that this evil
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Speaker 3: regime survived the war. Now, the president of the United States,
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Speaker 3: as you know, has always loved social media, declaring to
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Speaker 3: the world what he's thinking or feeling about anyone or
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Speaker 3: any topic without any regard for the consequences. Diplomacy is
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Speaker 3: a thing of the past for this current president. He
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Speaker 3: told the media when he spoke before flying to NATO
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Speaker 3: last night that he'd been up all night watching cable television.
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Speaker 3: And then you can see by the time that he
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Speaker 3: posts on truth social that he went on a posting
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Speaker 3: spree as well. He unleashed on AOC in one post,
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Speaker 3: calling her stupid and one of the dumbest.
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Speaker 2: People in Congress. No complaints there.
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Speaker 3: In another post, he complained in capital letters about the
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Speaker 3: fake new CNN and New York Times, which he said
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Speaker 3: teamed up to.
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Speaker 2: Demean his strikes on Iran.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is obviously highly amusing, highly entertaining, very unpresidential.
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Speaker 3: But then Trump posted a video that even for him,
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Speaker 3: is highly controversial. Now he's trying to get a Ran
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Speaker 3: to abide by a cease fire. He yelled at Israel
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Speaker 3: over this desperately wants Iran to abide by the ceasefire.
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Speaker 3: Yet at the same time he's posting this bomb.
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Speaker 4: Bomb my Ram, bom bom bom bom bomb, My Ram
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Speaker 4: got a big sem random bom bomb My ends.
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Speaker 10: I went to a mosque, throws some rocks.
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Speaker 6: Tell me I had told I gotta.
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Speaker 10: Got a B S B.
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Speaker 4: D.
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Speaker 2: Uncle Sam getting pretty hot.
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Speaker 4: And I ran until he's got a big S.
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Speaker 3: And that's, of course to the happy tune of the
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Speaker 3: Beach Boys Barbara An And did you hear that line
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Speaker 3: there was in the sub subtitles put the Ayatola in
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Speaker 3: a box. Well, let's hope that doesn't offend the Supreme
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Speaker 3: Leader Kimani to such an extent that he resumes his
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Speaker 3: campaign of terror against Israel. A big show ahead, Like
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Speaker 3: I said, one of Massad's head of divisions will be
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Speaker 3: on later plus a B two stealth bomber pilot to
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Speaker 3: tell us just whether he thinks those nuclear sites would
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Speaker 3: have been destroyed. But now let's bring in barrister and
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Speaker 3: UK lawyers for Israel Charitable Trust legal director Natasha Holstoff,
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Speaker 3: and she joins me live from London Natasha, great to
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Speaker 3: see you again. Now, Trump lashed out at Israel, not Iran,
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Speaker 3: Israel last night after the Islamic Republic breached the ceasefire.
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Speaker 2: Was this misplaced?
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Speaker 3: Do you think surely Israel had every right to hit
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Speaker 3: back at Iran if it wanted to.
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Speaker 11: It certainly had every right to do so, And indeed,
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Speaker 11: from the outset here, israel strikes have been entirely lawful.
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Speaker 11: This is part and parcel of the ongoing armed conflict
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Speaker 11: between Israel and Iran. I'd be encouraged to take with
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Speaker 11: a pinch of salt what President Trump says over social media,
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Speaker 11: or indeed in clips of interviews that I think are
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Speaker 11: made perhaps more of by the media than they ought
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Speaker 11: to be. This is a man's actions. I would suggest
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Speaker 11: that perhaps speak louder than his words. But it is confusing,
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Speaker 11: especially in circumstances where the ceasefire was only broken by Iran,
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Speaker 11: and Israel's response, which had been promised to be significant,
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Speaker 11: appears to have been more muted than we might have expected.
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Speaker 3: Now, Trump also criticized Israel for going hard before the
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Speaker 3: ceasefire came into effect. But again, if Israel needed to
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Speaker 3: finish the in time to meete a ceasefire if it
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Speaker 3: still had targets military sides, nuclear sides.
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Speaker 2: Who knows that it needed to hit.
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Speaker 3: Then again, it had every right to do that before
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Speaker 3: the ceasefire started, don't you think in your legal.
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Speaker 11: Opinion that's correct? And I think it also had every
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Speaker 11: right to respond forcefully as it had promised to Iran's
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Speaker 11: breach of that ceasefire. And appreciate ceasefires in this region
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Speaker 11: frequently take a few attempts to come into place. I
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Speaker 11: mean since then, of course, we've seen relative quiet. I
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Speaker 11: believe there were a few drones, but from Iran it
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Speaker 11: may have been that they were just slow in reaching
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Speaker 11: Israel proper. The fact of the matter is, though that
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Speaker 11: Israel would be lawfully able to continue striking military targets
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Speaker 11: in Iran. It has done so, for example in Lebanon,
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Speaker 11: despite there being an existing SEASPI, because it has maintained
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Speaker 11: the ability and the right to act as and when
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Speaker 11: it sees threats materializing, even in the context of a ceasefire.
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Speaker 3: We're seeing moves by some Democrats, but also anti Trump
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Speaker 3: Republicans to call for Donald Trump to be impeached. Algreen
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Speaker 3: lost his bid to have Trump impeached over around nuclear strikes.
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Speaker 2: It was voted down.
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Speaker 3: By one hundred and twenty eight Democrats to seventy nine.
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Speaker 3: What are the legalities of this claim that Trump had
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Speaker 3: no right to make this decision on his own?
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Speaker 11: They don't appear to me to be any It's extraordinary
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Speaker 11: that one sees these party political claims being advanced. We
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Speaker 11: didn't see this, however, in relation to Trump's previous action
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Speaker 11: against al Bagdadi, against Sulimani, or indeed to Obama strikes
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Speaker 11: in Yemen in Syria. It's a very basic matter of
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Speaker 11: US constitutional structure that the president does not need to
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Speaker 11: seek permission from Congress in any of these respects. A
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Speaker 11: full declaration of war would be a different matter, but
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Speaker 11: of course that hasn't occurred as far as America's involvement
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Speaker 11: here has been concerned so far. So a strange attempt,
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Speaker 11: I think, born out of politics rather than a proper
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Speaker 11: application of US constitutional law here.
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Speaker 2: So what does this come down to?
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Speaker 3: So if it was a war, would he need to
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Speaker 3: get the approval of Congress?
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Speaker 2: Is that where the line.
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Speaker 11: Is for a formal declaration of law? Yes, that's my understanding.
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Speaker 11: I'm not a US lawyer, but I've spent a little
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Speaker 11: bit of time in the United States a national security
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Speaker 11: law context, so certainly that's my reading of it, and
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Speaker 11: from what I can see that's been endorsed by constitutional
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Speaker 11: lawyers and those that understand the process. I imagine it's
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Speaker 11: one of the reasons that this impeachment attempt wasn't successful.
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Speaker 11: But I think in contrast to previous actions, previous strikes
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Speaker 11: conducted by America under various presidents in the Middle East,
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Speaker 11: it is striking that these complaints would be raised in
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Speaker 11: this context, in the context of much needed strikes on
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Speaker 11: Iran's nuclear facilities, and strikes which I should stress have
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Speaker 11: made the region as well as the world a great
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Speaker 11: deal safer. All of these rhetorical flourishes of starting World
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Speaker 11: War III, frankly, are being proven to be ridiculous. Any
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Speaker 11: steps that minimize Iran's ability to continue to terrorize the
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Speaker 11: region and operate terrorist proxies around the world targeting Western interests,
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Speaker 11: and minimizing its ability to continue to do that in
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Speaker 11: the future under a nuclear umbrella ought to be celebrated
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Speaker 11: as bringing peace and stability to the world.
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Speaker 3: Just finally, Natasha, we're seeing that the US is trying
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Speaker 3: to encourage Iran now to engage in talks about its
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Speaker 3: nuclear program. It should allow the IAEA to have access
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Speaker 3: to its nuclear sites.
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Speaker 2: Would you be trusting around in this scenario.
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Speaker 11: Well, certainly not. Of course. This is a regime that
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Speaker 11: broke the cease fire within hours. It is a regime
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Speaker 11: that has consistently used previous agreements with the United States
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Speaker 11: and others to continue to advance covertly its nuclear ambitions.
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Speaker 11: The most important development over the last week is that
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Speaker 11: its nuclear program has been put back significantly. In that context,
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Speaker 11: those negotiations may of course continue, but its actions here
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Speaker 11: that I think again speak louder than words, and we're
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Speaker 11: never going to have a situation. Let me acknowledge that
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Speaker 11: there is a final nail in the coffin of Iran's
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Speaker 11: problematic ambitions as the Islamic republic that I'm talking about,
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Speaker 11: unless we see regime change coming from within, an opportunity
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Speaker 11: for the people to throw off this oppressive, tyrannical regime
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Speaker 11: that they have suffered under for some forty six years.
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Speaker 11: But for that sort of change in Iran, I'm afraid
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Speaker 11: all we can anticipate and hope for is a control
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Speaker 11: on its annihilation. Attempts on Israel and other Western interests.
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Speaker 11: But in that context, there has been significant advantage from
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Speaker 11: what's happened over the last week that can certainly lead
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Speaker 11: to more productive talks. But I wouldn't trust anything that
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Speaker 11: the Iranians commit to because there is a track record
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Speaker 11: here of them consistently lie. And this is a regime
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Speaker 11: that uses that sort of subterfuge and dishonesty to advance
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Speaker 11: its ambitions, in particular the death to Israel ambition. But
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Speaker 11: let's not forget death to America, includes death to the UK,
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Speaker 11: death to Australia. This is a regime that has pitted
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Speaker 11: itself against Western liberal democracies from its inception in nineteen
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Speaker 11: seventy nine.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, Natasha, really appreciate your time. Great to have you
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Speaker 3: on the show once again. Thank you so much. All Right,
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Speaker 3: let's bring in now Sky News contributor Kosher Gada, and
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Speaker 3: Kosher let's pick up on Donald Trump's spray last night,
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Speaker 3: his post on truth Social this unorthodox way of handling
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Speaker 3: foreign policy and was where he publicly criticizes an ally
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Speaker 3: one minute and then says he's proud of them the next,
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Speaker 3: swearing calling the media scum. What can we make of
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Speaker 3: this bizarre way of running the world.
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Speaker 12: You know, I think it's another illustration show I agreed
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Speaker 12: to be with you as always have. Let Trump be Trump.
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Speaker 12: That adage is something now that's been spoken so many
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Speaker 12: times over the past decade. I would piece a part
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Speaker 12: two or three things that are going on in there.
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Speaker 12: One is style stylistically, and profanity is something I don't
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Speaker 12: think he's done from the bullie pulpit as president before.
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Speaker 12: But in general, he plays fast and loose with rhetoric.
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Speaker 12: He loves to be bombastic, whether it's calling North Korea's
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Speaker 12: leader Rocketman or the clips over here that he's retweeting.
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Speaker 12: He does that to some effect. It is controversial, but
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Speaker 12: by and large people have kind of gotten used to it.
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Speaker 12: A lot of people like it and think that it's effective.
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Speaker 12: Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But in general that
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Speaker 12: is his way and it's part of his approach. Stylistically,
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Speaker 12: I think he likes to throw people off balance and
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Speaker 12: have a big stick rhetorically and keep people guessing essentially
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Speaker 12: in terms of the substance of what he said. So
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Speaker 12: there's a couple of things there. One is attacking the media,
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Speaker 12: calling them scum, that's like a tried and tested strategy
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Speaker 12: for him. The media's trust is at an all time low.
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Speaker 12: He's very adversarial with them. His base hates the media
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Speaker 12: and doesn't trust them, and that tends to actually play well.
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Speaker 12: He's also angry with the cleanup that he's having to do.
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Speaker 12: I think that was a communications misstep of not putting
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Speaker 12: the reports out there, and people are questioning how effective
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Speaker 12: the bomb strikes were. And then the last bit is,
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Speaker 12: of course, the way he went after Israel. That is
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Speaker 12: unusual for a US president. But I think he's just
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Speaker 12: expressing his frustration and the fact that it's a layered
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Speaker 12: issue domestically and with his baes about whether or not
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Speaker 12: the US should have gotten involved or should continue to
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Speaker 12: get involved in that region, and he's just giving.
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Speaker 2: Voice to that indeed.
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Speaker 3: And also he'd promised it would be forever cease fire,
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Speaker 3: and it didn't look like it was going to last
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Speaker 3: more than a few hours, although thankfully now it's been
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Speaker 3: a bit of a calm day. Kosher in New York
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Speaker 3: today there was a huge upset with TikTok influencer Zoran
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Speaker 3: mum Dani. Not sure if I'm saying his name correctly,
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Speaker 3: ma'm dani beating former New York Governor Andrew Cmo in
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Speaker 3: the Democratic primary election for mayor. Now, this influencer is
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Speaker 3: an outspoken anti Zionist. He's refused to condemn calls to
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Speaker 3: globalize the enter faighter and here he was at a
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Speaker 3: protest probably.
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Speaker 2: I mean kosher.
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Speaker 3: This seems like a shocking result today and shurely people
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Speaker 3: don't want this kind of behavior from their politicians, we.
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Speaker 12: Would hope, and yet the result tells us otherwise. This
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Speaker 12: one shar really pains me as a longtime New Yorker.
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Speaker 12: One of the greatest cities in the world. It's the
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Speaker 12: epicenter of the Western Hemisphere and one of the most
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Speaker 12: important cities, and he looks like he is on a
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Speaker 12: glide path to winning. He defeated Andrew Cuomo. As you said,
23:29
Speaker 12: he sort of was flying under the radar and came
23:31
Speaker 12: out of nowhere. And not only those comments and his
23:35
Speaker 12: position there with respect to Israel and everything else he
23:38
Speaker 12: was saying with Intafada. He's also anti policing. He believes
23:42
Speaker 12: the police force should be abolished in New York and
23:44
Speaker 12: social workers should be doing that. He's anti private sector.
23:47
Speaker 12: He wants public grocery stores and other things. Even though
23:51
Speaker 12: the New York City is running one hundred billion dollars
23:53
Speaker 12: in debt, he thinks the buses should be free, with
23:56
Speaker 12: no explanation for how anybody is going to pay for that.
23:59
Speaker 12: And just one of quick point I would make too,
24:01
Speaker 12: is it is really interesting. It's an example of the
24:03
Speaker 12: downstream consequences of immigration and multiculturalism that he is somebody
24:08
Speaker 12: who was born outside of the US. He's a Muslim
24:11
Speaker 12: and Hindu heritage. He identifies as Muslim. And you've got
24:14
Speaker 12: the mayor of London, the mayor of Rotterdam, the mayor
24:16
Speaker 12: of Calgary, and potentially the mayor of New York City
24:19
Speaker 12: being these folks, how compatible are they really with the
24:23
Speaker 12: cities that they're governing. That is I think the elephant
24:25
Speaker 12: in the room.
24:26
Speaker 2: That's really interesting.
24:27
Speaker 3: And you know the current mayor, Eric Adams, He's running
24:31
Speaker 3: as an independent, so we have to see what chance
24:34
Speaker 3: he has against the official Democratic candidate. I mean, he
24:38
Speaker 3: seems like he has been doing an excellent job, not
24:40
Speaker 3: without controversy, but we have to hope he gets there now.
24:43
Speaker 2: Just quickly before you go farmer.
24:45
Speaker 3: Florida Congressman Matt Gates has been caught out in an
24:47
Speaker 3: embarrassing text exchange with his mum. So someone was sitting
24:51
Speaker 3: behind him on a flight and photographed his phone as
24:55
Speaker 3: she texted him saying, don't be criticizing the president or
24:58
Speaker 3: his actions. He's trying to keep pass safe. That's his job.
25:01
Speaker 3: Maga will turn on you and kosher. He was also
25:04
Speaker 3: bragging about how much he has in the.
25:07
Speaker 2: Bank and his real estate.
25:10
Speaker 3: This is pretty embarrassing, definitely a little bit cringe.
25:16
Speaker 12: He is known to be braggadocious, and it is certainly
25:18
Speaker 12: a reminder to be aware of your surroundings and her
25:21
Speaker 12: public figure in a public space. I think he handled
25:24
Speaker 12: as well as someone could when it went viral, and
25:26
Speaker 12: he leaned into it and used humor. But I think,
25:29
Speaker 12: you know, in terms of substance, it was another microcosm
25:32
Speaker 12: or another glimpse into what was happening in the Trump
25:34
Speaker 12: base in the last week and how that faction was
25:37
Speaker 12: very worried about the strikes and was going to lead.
25:39
Speaker 12: It was a slippery slope of US involvement. That was
25:41
Speaker 12: kind of the crux of what he was discussing with
25:44
Speaker 12: his mother. But luckily none of that came to pass
25:47
Speaker 12: and We're generally in a pretty good place today.
25:49
Speaker 2: All right, Kosha, thank you so much. Pleasure to have
25:51
Speaker 2: you on again.
25:53
Speaker 3: All right, let's turn now to this explosive leaked audio.
25:57
Speaker 3: This first was in the Washington Post, where a Mossad
26:00
Speaker 3: agent tells an Iranian general that he has twelve hours
26:04
Speaker 3: to escape with his family before Israel kills him.
26:18
Speaker 1: Jina A ham Ktoy.
26:31
Speaker 3: Now, the call is thought to have been part of
26:33
Speaker 3: an intelligence operation that accompanied the strikes and Iranian nuclear facilities,
26:37
Speaker 3: and it would have been presumably designed to further destabilize
26:42
Speaker 3: the Iranian regime.
26:43
Speaker 2: Let's go live to Israel now.
26:45
Speaker 3: I'm joined by the former head of Massads Hostages and
26:48
Speaker 3: Mia Division. Also the former a former Massad division head,
26:53
Speaker 3: Rami Igar Rami. Welcome to the show. Now, obviously you
26:57
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to comment specifically about this case, but
27:00
Speaker 3: what can you tell us about these sorts of operations
27:03
Speaker 3: generally speaking, Well.
27:06
Speaker 7: I'll let you know that my telephone number is known
27:09
Speaker 7: in Tehran and I've been receiving these kind of messages
27:12
Speaker 7: for the last two years more or less. Funny enough,
27:16
Speaker 7: half of these messages are threatening, and half of these
27:20
Speaker 7: messages are people that wish to be recruited and help
27:25
Speaker 7: Israel in its plate.
27:27
Speaker 6: So you find a very diverse.
27:30
Speaker 7: Iranian Iranian society, and this diverse society is a very
27:37
Speaker 7: good hunting ground for intelligence agencies.
27:43
Speaker 3: But in terms of when you have an operation like
27:47
Speaker 3: Israel has had in a Ran over the past thirteen
27:50
Speaker 3: days or so, it has been incredibly successful. But it's
27:53
Speaker 3: not just the military might. Intelligence has been a key
27:57
Speaker 3: part of this. Can you tell us about what would
28:00
Speaker 3: gone into that and how important that intelligence gathering was
28:04
Speaker 3: with operatives deep undercover in Tehran for years and years
28:08
Speaker 3: and years Before something like this can be successfully pulled off.
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Speaker 7: It is an endeavor that has taken many years, many years. Israel,
28:19
Speaker 7: like by the way you run, the same way on
28:21
Speaker 7: the other side, has been recruiting agents, especially for operational usage,
28:28
Speaker 7: not for intelligence. Traditionally, before the internet and before this
28:34
Speaker 7: world is diversed and technologically, intelligence agency has recruited people
28:40
Speaker 7: in order to collect information, including to collect intelligence.
28:45
Speaker 6: But this has changed over.
28:46
Speaker 7: The years and now intelligence intelligence agencies recruits on the
28:50
Speaker 7: other side people to be operational of the day on
28:54
Speaker 7: the d day, and as you've seen here in Iran,
28:58
Speaker 7: Israel has and I explained why, because there is a
29:01
Speaker 7: huge fraction in Iran that is anti government and anti
29:06
Speaker 7: government for many, many reasons, and these people are recruited
29:11
Speaker 7: over the years and set to operate on the right day,
29:15
Speaker 7: as they have done in this operation. But at the
29:19
Speaker 7: end of the day, and we'll go further into this
29:22
Speaker 7: and into what has happened with all the military success
29:26
Speaker 7: of Israel and the United States and the intelligence success
29:31
Speaker 7: of Israel, at the end of the day, Iran is
29:34
Speaker 7: still there with four hundred and fifty kilograms of Fisher's
29:38
Speaker 7: material material that is suited for several nuclear bombs.
29:43
Speaker 2: You believe that.
29:43
Speaker 3: Hasn't been destroyed, Rami, you believe that hasn't been destroyed.
29:48
Speaker 6: I believe it hasn't been destroyed.
29:50
Speaker 7: And I do not buy not Trump's declarations and not
29:54
Speaker 7: anybody else's. The Iranians are very clever people, and they
29:57
Speaker 7: have known there was a war coming on, and they
30:00
Speaker 7: know how important these four hundred and fifty kilograms are
30:04
Speaker 7: for their future military capabilities but also for their negotiating capability.
30:10
Speaker 3: Intelligence have tracked where it was moved to if it
30:14
Speaker 3: was moved.
30:16
Speaker 7: Maybe and maybe not if you ask me not, because
30:20
Speaker 7: if it was very clear.
30:22
Speaker 6: We would have heard this in the press, but it
30:24
Speaker 6: doesn't matter.
30:25
Speaker 7: We have to assume, and our assumption is very important
30:28
Speaker 7: for the future of the Western world.
30:30
Speaker 6: We have to assume these four.
30:32
Speaker 7: Hundred and fifty kilograms have somehow been disposed in some
30:38
Speaker 7: other locations, as the Iranians are saying. And as long
30:41
Speaker 7: as this is true, and knowing that in the past
30:45
Speaker 7: Iran has been able to resurrect its center fuel operation
30:50
Speaker 7: very fast within months, we should all understand that the
30:54
Speaker 7: end of this endeavor is in some kind of an
30:57
Speaker 7: agreement with Iran. And without an agreement, none of us
31:02
Speaker 7: have gone very far. We have had a very successful war.
31:06
Speaker 7: It has been incredible in many ways. Israel and the
31:10
Speaker 7: United States have been able to do some things that
31:14
Speaker 7: we couldn't imagine before. But at the end of the day,
31:18
Speaker 7: we need an agreement if we want the Iranians at
31:21
Speaker 7: the end to be to comply with us and to
31:25
Speaker 7: stop their ambitions for nuclear for a nuclear bomb at
31:29
Speaker 7: the end, we need an agreement, and an agreement which
31:32
Speaker 7: would be better than Obama maybe, but I'm not sure
31:36
Speaker 7: that we are able to get there.
31:39
Speaker 3: All right, Very interesting, Rami, great to have you on
31:41
Speaker 3: the show, Thank you so much for your time.
31:44
Speaker 2: So there you go.
31:44
Speaker 3: Even some Israelis are questioning that that four hundred kilograms
31:49
Speaker 3: of enriched uranium has not been destroyed. The President says
31:52
Speaker 3: it has been. We'll see still to Karma. B two
31:56
Speaker 3: Stealth Bomber Pilot gives his take on this very question.
31:59
Speaker 3: Plus car Carline Marcus harassed while covering the Antoinette Latouf
32:02
Speaker 3: case as she gloats outside court froman Bishop and Graham Richardson.
32:07
Speaker 2: While unpack all of that. Next welcome back.
32:14
Speaker 3: Pro Palestinian activist Antoinette Latouf should never have been hired
32:19
Speaker 3: by the ABC, which is required by its charter to
32:23
Speaker 3: be impartial, and that shocking decision to hire her has
32:27
Speaker 3: come back to bite them. The federal court found that
32:30
Speaker 3: the ABC unlawfully terminated her after three days of work
32:34
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. The judge found while the ABC
32:38
Speaker 3: claimed it had directed Latouf not to post about the
32:41
Speaker 3: war in Gaza during her time there, it had only
32:44
Speaker 3: advised her, not given her an official direction, and so
32:48
Speaker 3: there was no misconduct. And this is the critical point
32:52
Speaker 3: that's been conveniently overlooked.
32:54
Speaker 2: By many media outlets.
32:56
Speaker 3: Now, my poor friend Ansky News report at Caroline Marcus
33:00
Speaker 3: was covering this today and had to come face to
33:02
Speaker 3: face with all of the Tooth's supporters, lovely activists like
33:07
Speaker 3: this one.
33:09
Speaker 13: Well, there was a loud applause after that decision was
33:13
Speaker 13: handed down. There was a fairly large group of supporters
33:16
Speaker 13: in court for Antoinette Latouf. You can see some of
33:19
Speaker 13: them here behind me at the moment, shouting about the
33:23
Speaker 13: Israel Garza conflict, many wearing Kafir scarfs, screaming about media censors.
33:36
Speaker 3: Sorry, we'll just cut it there because that's just rude.
33:39
Speaker 14: Karlen Marcus trying to do her job there.
33:43
Speaker 3: Now, when I spoke to Caroline about this early and
33:46
Speaker 3: that wasn't the only incident. Pro Palestinian activists were harassing her.
33:50
Speaker 2: She was simply.
33:51
Speaker 3: Doing her job professionally and they were trying to intimidate her.
33:55
Speaker 3: And one activist, a former journalism lecturer, even tried to
33:59
Speaker 3: film Cara Line on her mobile phone.
34:01
Speaker 2: I mean, it's disgraceful.
34:03
Speaker 3: Let's bring it now from a Speaker of the House,
34:05
Speaker 3: Brom and bishop and labor legend Graham Richardson.
34:08
Speaker 5: Brom.
34:09
Speaker 3: When this is an infuriating finding, if it's a regular
34:12
Speaker 3: workplace sure, you can't fire someone for their political opinion.
34:16
Speaker 2: But at the ABC they're required in their.
34:19
Speaker 3: Charter to be impartial and objective, so there should be a.
34:23
Speaker 2: Question about whether those rules apply.
34:26
Speaker 14: Well, here's the problem. The charter is not enforceable. In fact,
34:30
Speaker 14: the actor actually says that nothing in that charter can
34:34
Speaker 14: be enforced in a court of law in any way,
34:36
Speaker 14: shape or form. So until that charter is enforceable, it's
34:42
Speaker 14: really ridiculous to discuss enforcing impartiality on the question of
34:48
Speaker 14: your new touch on the really key point, and that
34:52
Speaker 14: is there was no direction given to her. It was
34:55
Speaker 14: said to be merely an advice or suggestion. So once
35:00
Speaker 14: again the ABC has gone to court with a pretty
35:04
Speaker 14: ify case, which you could see right from the beginning,
35:08
Speaker 14: and what wracked up another million dollars in podcast. So
35:12
Speaker 14: you know, management has got to change at the ABC
35:18
Speaker 14: and that charter needs to be enforceable.
35:22
Speaker 3: Richard, My worry is this is just going to embolden
35:25
Speaker 3: the ABC activists with their social media posts, with their activism.
35:31
Speaker 3: We already know she was paid for those two shifts
35:34
Speaker 3: she did at work. Now she gets another seventy thousand
35:37
Speaker 3: dollars compensation on top of that. I mean, the whole
35:40
Speaker 3: thing is quite ludicrous.
35:43
Speaker 15: I think ludergris is a fair description. This saga has
35:49
Speaker 15: dragged on. It's been ridiculous in the last few days.
35:53
Speaker 15: I don't quite understand why someone couldn't put an end
35:56
Speaker 15: to it. Someone couldn't find a way through. It's not
36:00
Speaker 15: that difficult. I think. I always around and I sort
36:03
Speaker 15: of that out in five minutes.
36:05
Speaker 14: She shouldn't have been in the first place.
36:06
Speaker 2: Exactly, she shouldn't have been hired in the first base.
36:09
Speaker 2: That was the problem.
36:10
Speaker 3: Now, Opposition leader Susan Lee fronted the National Press Club
36:13
Speaker 3: for the first time as Opposition leader, and she was
36:16
Speaker 3: pretty pointed about wanting more women in the Liberal Party.
36:21
Speaker 3: If some state divisions choose to implement quotas, that's fine.
36:26
Speaker 3: This is despite the fact in her first move as
36:28
Speaker 3: Liberal leader, she reduced the number of women in shadow cabinet,
36:30
Speaker 3: dumping for talented women.
36:32
Speaker 2: Brown.
36:33
Speaker 3: Do you agree that the party should now be open
36:36
Speaker 3: to quotas.
36:37
Speaker 14: I'll never agree to quotas ever, because I think it's
36:40
Speaker 14: an insult to women that they can't be judged simply
36:44
Speaker 14: on what they've got to offer. If it's a bit
36:46
Speaker 14: harder don't waste your time windy about it. Put the
36:49
Speaker 14: effort into overcoming that difficulty. But I think Susan did
36:54
Speaker 14: quite well today. If you compare Albow's first speech about
36:58
Speaker 14: being growing up in a housing condition house and going
37:01
Speaker 14: to a private school at the cathedral and having this
37:04
Speaker 14: tough life compared to what Susan described as her early
37:08
Speaker 14: days in early life, he had a pretty easy ride,
37:11
Speaker 14: and she's become a lot of hardships to become the
37:15
Speaker 14: person she is. So let's give her a go. And
37:18
Speaker 14: let's face it, the parliament isn't sitting yet. I mean,
37:21
Speaker 14: we had to make way for Albow. EBB.
37:26
Speaker 1: What is it.
37:28
Speaker 14: With these with these trips away? So the parliament's not
37:32
Speaker 14: sitting it, So let's wait and see.
37:35
Speaker 4: Rich.
37:35
Speaker 3: I do you agree with me that it's hypocritical her
37:38
Speaker 3: point on women, and how do you think she performed,
37:42
Speaker 3: particularly her admission that the Liberal Party was in a
37:47
Speaker 3: terrible position.
37:50
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I think you know, you're starting off with
37:52
Speaker 15: a pretty weakened hand, and so you've got to extend
37:57
Speaker 15: I think some sympathy for her in that respect. It's
38:01
Speaker 15: not an easy job. It's a really tough one and
38:06
Speaker 15: it'll be a while before we can really make a
38:09
Speaker 15: proper judgment as to how well she's going. But I
38:12
Speaker 15: think she's off to a reasonable start. I think I
38:15
Speaker 15: think Labor has got to concede that. It's like, you know,
38:19
Speaker 15: when Tony Havebott became leader, people were in the Labor
38:22
Speaker 15: Party were rubbing their hands with the glee saying, you know,
38:26
Speaker 15: is this terrific? Didn't turn out so well? I think
38:29
Speaker 15: you've got to remember that.
38:30
Speaker 3: But Richard, it's been nearly three months since the election
38:33
Speaker 3: and the Liberals are nowhere. They haven't even started having
38:36
Speaker 3: a debate about energy policy.
38:40
Speaker 6: Now.
38:41
Speaker 15: The Liberals are in a mess. There's no doubt about that,
38:44
Speaker 15: and there are plenty of examples of it. I think
38:48
Speaker 15: the difficulty is going to be trying to sort out
38:53
Speaker 15: a coherent policy line. You know, they don't have a
38:57
Speaker 15: policy line. They've got a few policies they don't ness
39:00
Speaker 15: necessarily jell really well together, and it's a difficult job
39:03
Speaker 15: to make that happen. But that is a job. That's
39:06
Speaker 15: what she's been given the task for, so she's going
39:10
Speaker 15: to have to overcome it.
39:12
Speaker 2: Rom just quickly.
39:13
Speaker 3: It just looks like they're kicking the energy debate down
39:16
Speaker 3: the road, doesn't it that?
39:17
Speaker 2: When are they actually going to have it?
39:19
Speaker 15: Wow, that's that's a really good question. We should not
39:23
Speaker 15: be pushing this down the road. This should be dealt
39:26
Speaker 15: with now. It is a significant problem.
39:29
Speaker 14: But Albo, you've got a ridiculous policy in the Labor
39:33
Speaker 14: Party with regard to energy. It is unaffordable, it is
39:36
Speaker 14: sending us bankrupt, it's destroying the countryside, it's destroying one wildlife.
39:41
Speaker 2: It's citizen policy. The levels don't even have a policy.
39:44
Speaker 14: Well, let's see that some of us in the Liberal
39:47
Speaker 14: Party ever always had a policy, and it is that
39:50
Speaker 14: net zero should never have been agreed to by Morrison
39:53
Speaker 14: and that the answer is we have to have affordable,
39:57
Speaker 14: reliable energy source.
39:59
Speaker 2: What do you think?
40:00
Speaker 3: Very quickly, I'm so out of time, But rich are
40:01
Speaker 3: you think the Liberal Party should dump the net zero
40:03
Speaker 3: commitment or not?
40:04
Speaker 2: Would that be a good political decision?
40:07
Speaker 15: I think net zero's a really bad idea to keep
40:10
Speaker 15: batting on with for the Liberals, and I think they'd
40:14
Speaker 15: save themselves a lot of strife if they just got
40:16
Speaker 15: away and just said no nonsense.
40:19
Speaker 3: There you go. Graham Richardson from a bishop, didn't expect
40:22
Speaker 3: it'd be so much agreement on energy policy. Maybe you
40:26
Speaker 3: boy should sit down a season lee Now still to come,
40:28
Speaker 3: we'll cross live to Israel for the latest on the
40:30
Speaker 3: family killed by the Iranian strikes yesterday. But first I'll
40:34
Speaker 3: be joined by forming United States Air foced Lieutenant General
40:37
Speaker 3: Mark Weatherington, one of the few people who's been in
40:41
Speaker 3: the cockpit of the much feared BE Too stealth bomber
40:44
Speaker 3: that's after this quick break, welcome back.
40:51
Speaker 2: Well.
40:51
Speaker 3: Seven be Too stealth bombers were used during Operation Midnight Hammer,
40:55
Speaker 3: each manned by a two person crew who flew for
40:58
Speaker 3: thirty seven hours. This is an incredible feat of human endurance,
41:03
Speaker 3: requiring a lot of skill and experience. From a deputy
41:07
Speaker 3: commander of Fox Global Strike Command, Mark Weatherington is one
41:11
Speaker 3: of the few people who knows what it's like to
41:13
Speaker 3: be in the cockpit of these planes, and I'm pleased
41:16
Speaker 3: to say he joins me now, make thank you so
41:18
Speaker 3: much for coming on the program. Can you tell us
41:21
Speaker 3: what it's like to fly a B two stealth bomber,
41:24
Speaker 3: especially for those kind of extraordinary long hours.
41:30
Speaker 6: Well, Cherry, thanks for having me.
41:31
Speaker 16: Glad to join you tonight. The B two is very
41:34
Speaker 16: similar to most of the aircraft that we operate, the
41:36
Speaker 16: bomber aircraft, it doesn't fly an incredibly different manner. However,
41:42
Speaker 16: long duration stories can be an extreme challenge for the pilots,
41:46
Speaker 16: very fatiguing, especially with the two person crew, and so
41:49
Speaker 16: we work hard to prepare them to get them the
41:52
Speaker 16: rest they need ahead of time. They can stretch out
41:55
Speaker 16: and sleep and move around in non critical phases of flight.
41:58
Speaker 16: One of them can while the other piloting the aircraft.
42:01
Speaker 16: And it's an extreme effort, but they handle it very well,
42:05
Speaker 16: skillfully and professionally.
42:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I also read that there's a microwave and
42:10
Speaker 3: a fridge on board thirty seven hours. Of course you
42:13
Speaker 3: need to eight in that period, not just sleep, as
42:15
Speaker 3: you said, refueling mid air.
42:18
Speaker 2: Is that a difficult challenge, Well.
42:22
Speaker 6: It can be, certainly.
42:23
Speaker 16: These pilots are very practice set and for a B two,
42:26
Speaker 16: a long range strike platform, that's one of the most
42:29
Speaker 16: important things we can do. Recognize that these pilots on
42:32
Speaker 16: this mission probably had three to four air fuelings going
42:36
Speaker 16: into the target area and coming out of the target area,
42:39
Speaker 16: and each one of those is about twenty minutes where
42:42
Speaker 16: they're piloting that large airplane about twelve feet behind and
42:48
Speaker 16: beneath another very big aircraft transferring fuel. And so it's
42:52
Speaker 16: a very very important aspect of the mission and one
42:55
Speaker 16: where they really have to be focused and prepared.
42:58
Speaker 3: Now in terms of the impact that the bunker buster bombs,
43:02
Speaker 3: that the B two stealth bombers carry, the.
43:05
Speaker 2: Impact that they would have.
43:06
Speaker 3: As you know, there's been a lot of discussion over
43:08
Speaker 3: whether around nuclear sites, particularly four doughs eighteen to ninety
43:13
Speaker 3: meters underground beneath the mountain, would have been entirely obliterated.
43:19
Speaker 3: To use Donald Trump's phrase, do you believe there's any
43:23
Speaker 3: possibility it would have just done damage and not completely
43:28
Speaker 3: destroyed the site from your knowledge of how these bombs land.
43:35
Speaker 16: Jerry, I think, as I've stated on several other programs
43:38
Speaker 16: this week, it's going to take days, weeks, months for
43:42
Speaker 16: us to fully understand the damage at Foordeaux and how
43:45
Speaker 16: far that program may have been set back. And so
43:48
Speaker 16: it's possible that an operation like this can be very
43:52
Speaker 16: decisively ordered, which I think it was, and it can
43:55
Speaker 16: be very well executed, which I think it was, and
43:59
Speaker 16: still not.
43:59
Speaker 10: Achieved the desired results. And so there's a lot of unknowns.
44:02
Speaker 16: It appears to me that the weapons performed the way
44:06
Speaker 16: they were supposed to perform, arrived on the aim coins precisely,
44:11
Speaker 16: and did the damage that they or executed. They're part
44:15
Speaker 16: of it to play that they were supposed to. But
44:18
Speaker 16: whether it caused that damage that we were looking for,
44:22
Speaker 16: we just don't know.
44:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll need I suppose people on the ground because
44:26
Speaker 3: we've already seen satellite vision yet, so to properly ascertain
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Speaker 3: whether it has completely destroyed the site, you would need
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Speaker 3: people on the ground, wouldn't you.
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Speaker 16: Some ways, you're going to need to be able to
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Speaker 16: exploit that site, probably with someone there on the ground.
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Speaker 16: There may be some clandestine sources that you can use.
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Speaker 16: There's probably some measures and signals, intelligence and other things
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Speaker 16: that will help build that complete picture. But yes, Sherry,
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Speaker 16: unless you're really at the site and you can see
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Speaker 16: that damage firsthand, it's hard to make a full assessment.
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Speaker 3: Just finally, when you have dropped a bomb of that size,
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Speaker 3: if you have in your professional.
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Speaker 2: Experience, what is it like? What is the sound like?
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Speaker 3: You know, do you have to get out of the
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Speaker 3: area pretty quickly?
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Speaker 2: What's the impact like?
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Speaker 16: Well, Sherry, in this case, you can certainly feel it
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Speaker 16: on the airplane. When thirty pounds falls off the airplane,
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Speaker 16: there's going to be an effect on the flight, and
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Speaker 16: certainly their practice they understand that. But as far as
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Speaker 16: other effects, you know, they're dropping them from medium altitude
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Speaker 16: and so the impact of that weapon is probably going
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Speaker 16: to take about a minute for it to fall and
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Speaker 16: hit the ground, and they're continuing to fly on to
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Speaker 16: either their next target or to leave the target area.
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Speaker 16: They're not going to really realize any of the effects,
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Speaker 16: whether that's a shock wave or a flash or anything
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Speaker 16: like that.
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Speaker 3: Fascinating mac Rington. Really appreciate your time and insights tonight.
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Now after the break, the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 3: former press director Daniel Seaman would join me.
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Speaker 2: That's after this next break, welcome back. Well.
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Speaker 3: In the Iranian strikes, yesterday after the ceasefire was announced,
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Speaker 3: a beautiful family was murdered.
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Speaker 2: Here's mother Michel zachs her.
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Speaker 3: Son Etan, his girlfriend Noah, and the fourth victim was
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Speaker 3: no Mischannan who lived in a nearby apartment. Joining us
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Speaker 3: now the Prime Minister's former press director Daniel Seaman. Daniel,
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Speaker 3: thank you again for your time. Look, this is the
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Speaker 3: latest example of Iran targeting civilians after the ceasefire was announced.
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Speaker 17: Now they claimed that it was done before the hour,
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Speaker 17: but they ignore the fact that they was supposed to
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Speaker 17: be seven o'clock their time. They are an hour ahead
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Speaker 17: of Israel, so they knew very well that they were
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Speaker 17: firing at the afterwards in violating.
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Speaker 18: But it's nothing new. They always are held to different
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Speaker 18: standards and always violate the principles. So we're not surprised.
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Speaker 18: But that was yesterday. We have to move on because
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Speaker 18: the war here is not over yet.
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Speaker 2: Well, the ceasefire deal.
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Speaker 3: You say, the world's not over yet, but the ceasefire
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Speaker 3: deal does look like it's holding despite that rocky start.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is going to last?
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Speaker 10: No, because it never does. They make it very clear.
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Speaker 10: They say what their intent is.
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Speaker 18: The people in the West choose, and I admit, even
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Speaker 18: in Israel for too many years when the jihadists were
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Speaker 18: telling us something or threatening us, we tend to ignore
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Speaker 18: it and apply our values and our principles.
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Speaker 10: On them and think that they hold.
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Speaker 18: To them, and they don't, and they'll look for different
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Speaker 18: ways of doing it.
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Speaker 10: I think.
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Speaker 18: The interesting thing yet, from what Trump did yesterday was
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Speaker 18: not only sending a message to Israel when he was
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Speaker 18: angry at Israel.
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Speaker 10: Fine, but I think it was more a message to
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Speaker 10: the other side.
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Speaker 18: Look, if I with my ally, who I appreciate and
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Speaker 18: hold the high esteem I'm holding them to observe and
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Speaker 18: commit themselves to the ceasefire, you can imagine what I'll
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Speaker 18: do to them. So I think this was a roundabout
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Speaker 18: way of signaling to them very much that he's serious
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Speaker 18: about the ceasefire.
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Speaker 10: So it very well could be. But Trump has also
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Speaker 10: said that if he sees that they're.
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Speaker 18: Continuing to try to develop a nuclear bomb, it's unacceptable
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Speaker 18: what this means to see in the future.
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Speaker 10: And NATANIEO have been very good at keeping things.
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Speaker 18: I don't want to say secret, but I've been very
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Speaker 18: mum about what their intentions are.
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Speaker 10: We know what the goal is, but how they're going
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Speaker 10: to go about doing it.
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Speaker 18: They've done a very good job of doing what is
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Speaker 18: necessary when it's necessary.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was speaking on the show last night
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Speaker 3: about the formidable partnership they were forging, and then you know,
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Speaker 3: just as we came to that view, Trump publicly criticized
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Speaker 3: Israel verbally and on truth. Knowing Ntanyahu as you do,
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Speaker 3: how would he have taken this sort of public rebuke.
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Speaker 18: Natanielle is the kind of person who keeps his He's
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Speaker 18: focused on the ball.
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Speaker 10: He keeps his eye on the ball. He knows what
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Speaker 10: needs to be done.
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Speaker 19: He ignores the media and the clapping of the media.
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Speaker 19: He ignores what is the clamoring going on with the public.
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Speaker 19: He's very focused on It's the same thing here with Trump.
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Speaker 18: He focuses on the relationship between the United States and Israel.
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Speaker 10: He knows very well that Trump is the President of
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Speaker 10: the United States.
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Speaker 18: He has his interests, but Natanielle knows that he's the
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Speaker 18: Prime Minister of the State of Israel.
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Speaker 10: He will keep his eye focused on our interests.
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Speaker 18: And as long as we can work together with the
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Speaker 18: United States and advance the looks. Some of the interests
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Speaker 18: of the United States coincide, but those of Israel, so
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Speaker 18: he'll do that.
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Speaker 10: They did talk afterwards. They had a very good conversation.
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Speaker 18: He knows who he's dealing with, so I don't think
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Speaker 18: he's not going to let that change his goal and
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Speaker 18: his focus on what needs to be done.
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Speaker 10: And we'll do it the best way possible with the
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Speaker 10: United States.
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Speaker 3: Right, Daniel Stephen, thank you very much for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: And that's all we've got time for tonight. I'll see
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Speaker 3: you tomorrow at eight. And right now, here's Paul Murray.