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Radio 831 A Podcast For Romance Novel Fans Sanjana Basker And Tyler McCall · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: your exploration, hid you. I'm doing fantastic man, the two
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Speaker 1: of you. I first of all, you have to understand
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Speaker 1: that who you're going to share a conversation with here
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Speaker 1: is somebody who loves to write books, read books, talk
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Speaker 1: with authors and stuff like that. So when I come
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Speaker 1: across radio eight three one, my god, I mean you
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Speaker 1: so get it. You understand there has to be a connection,
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much. It's like the best guy
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Speaker 2: and what we could get.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so where do you where does it come from?
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Speaker 1: What are the roots on this because I mean you,
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Speaker 1: I mean I listened to it. I experienced what you're sharing.
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing about it, you're turning it into
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Speaker 1: an experience, is if you're living it right there with me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Sonj and I have been friends for a
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Speaker 2: long time. She was a source. I wrote I'm a
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Speaker 2: freelance writer as the day Job, if you will. I
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Speaker 2: wrote a story about the book talk phenomenon a few
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Speaker 2: years ago, and sond was a source because she's brilliant
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Speaker 2: and I stumbled upon her social media talking about this
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And we've been talking about romance ever since.
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Speaker 2: And we were lucky enough that when eight three one Stories,
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Speaker 2: which is this incredible romance imprint, wanted to launch a
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Speaker 2: romance theme podcast, they approached us to be co hosts
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Speaker 2: and it's it's just been super great.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's also that Tyler and I are
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Speaker 3: such huge fans of the genre. So when it comes
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Speaker 3: to like being right there with you, when it comes
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Speaker 3: to the experience of reading, it's because we're like, these
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Speaker 3: are the conversations that we have all the time about.
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Speaker 2: The stuff that we really really deeply love.
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Speaker 1: And Karen, do you think that the authors go back
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Speaker 1: in and listen to this, because I mean when I
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Speaker 1: share conversations with them, they go, well, I ignore, you know,
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Speaker 1: the criticisms, I ignore what's being put up on social media,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, wow, it's an opportunity. In radio, we
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Speaker 1: would just call it show prep. We would go in
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Speaker 1: there and listen so that we can become better at
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Speaker 1: what we're what we're trying to craft here.
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Speaker 2: We have been very fortunate to have authors on as guests,
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Speaker 2: and they've always been very engaged with the topic at hand.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, son, but I know
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Speaker 2: that I've you know, I have authors who are friends,
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Speaker 2: who are authors in the space, who seem to be
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Speaker 2: listening and excited about what we're doing. Yeah, totally.
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Speaker 3: I've gotten dms from authors all over the past month
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Speaker 3: who have been really, really enthusiastic about the project. But
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Speaker 3: I think it's really cool.
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Speaker 1: Well, I love the way that that authors are stepping
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Speaker 1: through and it's like a united front in the way
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Speaker 1: that those that are writing in the UK versus Japan.
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Speaker 1: The why a author's God, I love me some ya
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Speaker 1: authors because my god, they've got a language right now
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Speaker 1: that is reaching every single genre.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, h yeah.
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Speaker 3: Romance has a huge readership in Brazil, like there's a
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Speaker 3: very international market for romance too.
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Speaker 1: But the fact that we're reading doesn't that inspire the
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Speaker 1: hell out of you, because I mean, you know, in
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Speaker 1: doing a podcast like this and and just to have
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Speaker 1: conversations with other authors. I mean, this is an age
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Speaker 1: where we don't really we can let chat GPT read
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Speaker 1: to us all day, but it's still something with the
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Speaker 1: eyes on that page or on that computer screen, taking
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Speaker 1: it in personally, that makes that relationship stronger.
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Speaker 2: That's what I find so exciting and what I love
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Speaker 2: so much about the romance genre is it's it's such
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Speaker 2: an engaged readership. You know, I think we've all heard
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Speaker 2: the stats about how Americans specifically don't read anymore, and
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Speaker 2: how the average Americans reading maybe no books to year
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Speaker 2: or one book here or something like that. And romance readers,
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Speaker 2: especially the voracious, really engaged ones, are reading, you know,
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty forty. I mean, I've seen hundreds of books
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Speaker 2: a year, which is I mean, that's you're fast reader,
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Speaker 2: you're reading that much. But they are not just reading,
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Speaker 2: they're having conversations online. They are very engaged, very passionate.
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Speaker 2: They come to conventions, they come to author events and signings.
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Speaker 2: It's really inspiring to see people be that engaged with
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Speaker 2: as you were saying, reading.
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Speaker 1: You talked about, you know these readers that are reading
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Speaker 1: several books at a time. Obviously you just met my wife,
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Speaker 1: because my god, every time I turn around, she's got
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Speaker 1: a new romance stop and I'm going, I don't get it.
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Speaker 1: But the thing is is that I think that. And
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Speaker 1: here's the funny thing that I'm donast and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you guys are too. This is not just a women's thing.
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Speaker 1: Guys are reading romance too, they just won't admit it.
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Speaker 1: And I wish more guys would step through saying yeah,
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Speaker 1: I took it in. I did. I love that book?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's so it's so interesting because like I think we're
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Speaker 3: starting to see more I mean, well, men have been
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Speaker 3: writing in romance for a long time, but like we're
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Speaker 3: seeing increased writing from men in romance as well, I think,
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Speaker 3: and that has been interesting to witness itself, like, and
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Speaker 3: I think it's reflective of what you're talking about, of like,
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Speaker 3: guys have been reading romance like it's sort of secretly.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes for years and years and years.
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Speaker 3: But I think we've created a culture in a community
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Speaker 3: that maybe is more open to like having men talk
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Speaker 3: about that, because like there's a lot to love. These
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Speaker 3: are good stories, they're interesting stories.
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Speaker 1: Well don't you think that's because they're relatable stories that
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Speaker 1: it really is kind of a junk of our own
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Speaker 1: personal life?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, the best romance novels, I think, do what
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Speaker 2: the best genre of fiction does, so whether it's sci
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Speaker 2: fi or thrillers, which is it reflects where we are
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Speaker 2: as a culture. But romance has the added benefit, I think,
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Speaker 2: of feeling quite personal. Right. I think we all love
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Speaker 2: is kind of a universal feeling. We all hope to
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Speaker 2: find that kind of romance. You know, A good love
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Speaker 2: story is a good love story.
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Speaker 3: And I think we're looking at a culture that is
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Speaker 3: increasingly really disconnected and alienated. And I think there have
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Speaker 3: been so many think pieces about the loneliness epidemic, and
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Speaker 3: this is a genre.
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Speaker 2: That is specifically about social connection.
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Speaker 3: Like romance is constantly talking not just about love, but
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Speaker 3: all kinds of ways that people can be with each other.
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Speaker 2: And I think the appeal of that feels.
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Speaker 3: Really clear in a sort of world that is governed
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Speaker 3: by a loneliness epidemic.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll be a guy here and I will clearly
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Speaker 1: state and openly admit it that I think I got
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Speaker 1: crazier in love in the kitchen because of these books.
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Speaker 1: Because if I'm reading about it in the books and
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing the romance and I'm seeing the connection, and
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Speaker 1: then I physically see it with my own wife of
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Speaker 1: thirty two years, it's like, my God, these books they're
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Speaker 1: activating inside your own personal life. And I swear to
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Speaker 1: God that's why people are drawn to these stories.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now, I have to know what your wife's do
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Speaker 2: at romance novel is.
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Speaker 1: You know, her favorite role. It has to be a
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Speaker 1: romance novel that has to deal with history. And and
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Speaker 1: I don't know what her connection is about going back
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Speaker 1: to World War Two or going into that era, but
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Speaker 1: she sees so much romance in that, and I have
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Speaker 1: to agree with her because I don't know if it's
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Speaker 1: because it's just the mystique of it all that it's
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Speaker 1: like it's a time period we'll never go back to,
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Speaker 1: but there's just something mysterious and very, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: open hearted, lovable about that era.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and mistakes are very high.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, plus On top of that, we're also reading
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Speaker 1: about these days about the women who were very strong
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Speaker 1: on the military front as well. We're seeing that as
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Speaker 1: an era that wasn't spoken about until today. And so
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Speaker 1: now there's a romance novel involved in this Hell, I'm
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Speaker 1: on that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah m hmm.
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Speaker 1: But it's not the only thing that you guys talk about,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, that's the thing I love about your
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Speaker 1: podcast is I feel like that that I've kind of
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Speaker 1: knocked on the door and you say, come on in,
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Speaker 1: join the conversation. I mean, that's that's how I feel
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Speaker 1: about your podcast.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's that's like the best possible compliment, I feel
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Speaker 2: like for us, because that's what we want. We want
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Speaker 2: to bring everyone into the conversation. It's not just books,
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Speaker 2: although obviously romance novels are a huge cornerstone of what
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Speaker 2: we talk about. It's movies, it's pop culture, it's how
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Speaker 2: all this stuff is intersecting, and it's Yeah, I think
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Speaker 2: it's I like the sports center of smut metaphor that
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Speaker 2: we've been using, because that feels that feels very correct
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Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean when you talk about culture and things
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Speaker 1: like that, I mean it's like First of all, I
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Speaker 1: didn't even know this was going on in the Tokyo
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Speaker 1: Dome until you guys talked about it, which means that
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Speaker 1: I really do rely on you to give me the
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Speaker 1: information that I seem to be missing with my social
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Speaker 1: media reading. But the sushi race, I mean, my god,
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Speaker 1: that's the kind of It's like I want my town
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Speaker 1: to have one of those things.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's say, like when we talk about
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Speaker 3: pop culture, it's so interesting to look at Like we
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Speaker 3: haven't really gotten into the celebrity relationships piece of this yet,
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Speaker 3: but like, I'm curious to see you when we do
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Speaker 3: start covering those segments in the pod, because like there's
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Speaker 3: so much about celebrity gossip too that has to do
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Speaker 3: with how we think about romance culturally that I'm like
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Speaker 3: really excited to explore. Like there's I was like thinking
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Speaker 3: about how much covers there's been of the like Timothy
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Speaker 3: Shallome Kylie Jenner relationship, and we also have been talking
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Speaker 3: about celebrities like Ethan Hawk, who are like kind of
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Speaker 3: public romance scholars for us. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's
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Speaker 3: just there's so many different avenues and creative ways to
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Speaker 3: explore romance that I've like, really really loved.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God. Ethan Hawk is one of those people
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Speaker 1: that you know, you get him involved in a romance
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Speaker 1: story and then the next movie is going to be
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Speaker 1: a scary one, and you just sit there and you
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Speaker 1: look at him. I mean, you're just staring at that screen,
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Speaker 1: going did you really go that way? Did you?
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Speaker 2: Did you?
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Speaker 1: This is not what you did in the last movie, dude,
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Speaker 1: come on now now. But you get so emotionally involved
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Speaker 1: with these actors who are doing these movies with romance
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Speaker 1: in it, and then they go and do something weird
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Speaker 1: like that. You still like it, but it's just like Ethan,
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Speaker 1: you better clear it with me next time.
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Speaker 2: Buddy, check in with me next time.
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Speaker 1: Well, and look, I'm a firm believer that Hallmark plays
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Speaker 1: a big role in this because I'm blessed with the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to the male actors that are in
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Speaker 1: these storylines. They love it, they love getting Oh my God.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, guys, what are you telling me that
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Speaker 1: you should be telling me that I'm assuming, but I
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be assuming.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet that does seem like one of the
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Speaker 2: most fun acting jobs that you can get are those
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Speaker 2: Hallmark movie based honestly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not all about the job. And we've
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Speaker 1: talked about that, and it really is one of those
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Speaker 1: situations where it's like, it's the storyline, it's the connection.
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Speaker 1: You can put a Hallmark movie on any time of
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Speaker 1: the year and it's gonna work.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.
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Speaker 3: And there's a whole like in world, like Hallmark cinematic
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Speaker 3: universe that they're all communicating within right, that these actors
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Speaker 3: are telling stories that are connected to other stories, that
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Speaker 3: are connected to other stories. I think that that level
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Speaker 3: of sort of in world complexity is really fun.
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Speaker 1: Oh please don't move. There's more on the way with
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Speaker 1: songe Basker and Tyler McCall. The name of the podcast
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Speaker 1: Radio eight three one. We are back with songe Basker
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Speaker 1: and Tyler McCall. I'll tell you in my in my
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Speaker 1: handwriting as I was going through your podcasting, and I
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Speaker 1: do listen while I'm driving, So the handwriting just sucks.
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Speaker 1: But the thing is is that I wrote, I want
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Speaker 1: my Barnes and Noble employee to be these guys because
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Speaker 1: you got because when I walk into a store, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to hear I don't know. I guess it's
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Speaker 1: a hot book. But but I go in there and
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Speaker 1: tap in with you guys, and you're sharing all this
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Speaker 1: stuff with me, and I'm going, God, now I gotta
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Speaker 1: get my hands on this book. They're they're they're opening
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Speaker 1: up this door for me to get out of the
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Speaker 1: normal rut of reading and get into something that's new.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we like to we'd like to have every episode
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Speaker 2: end with hopefully read listeners having a reading list of things.
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Speaker 2: We have a segment where Songe assigns me homework and
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Speaker 2: vice versus the book that I haven't read that she
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Speaker 2: thinks are important and books that I've read that she
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Speaker 2: hasn't read. And that's always a really fun conversation because
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Speaker 2: it really is it's such a vast genre. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you can, you can. Really it's so hard when people
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Speaker 2: approach me and ask for a recommendation for a starting point,
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Speaker 2: because it's like, well, I don't know what you're going
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Speaker 2: to like, do you want enemies to lovers or friends
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Speaker 2: to lovers? Do you want a historical romance or do
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Speaker 2: you want a contemporary romance? And it's just it's so
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Speaker 2: fun to get into the nitty gritty of all that
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Speaker 2: with individuals so to get to do it with the radio.
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Speaker 2: A three to one podcast is super fun.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm a firm believer that because of podcasts like
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Speaker 1: yours and the way that we have really kind of
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Speaker 1: levitated toward these romance novels is that as they create
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Speaker 1: this next James Bond, which they are starting to write
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Speaker 1: right now, I believe it's going to be more of
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Speaker 1: a romantic James Bond, We're going to see a different
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Speaker 1: side if we don't see the female as the main
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Speaker 1: lead in this, which I think we're going to, which
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Speaker 1: is going to deepen that storyline even more.
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Speaker 2: Do you really that's fascinating. I haven't been following that
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Speaker 2: super closely, but I'm really locked into the idea of
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Speaker 2: a romantic James Bond.
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Speaker 1: I think so me too. Yeah, one that's not so
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Speaker 1: careless and so Okay, I'm gonna throw this one out. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the next one, throw this one
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Speaker 1: out of secye. Those days are over. We don't do
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Speaker 1: that anymore. We're all about having a long term relationship
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Speaker 1: and we want to see our heroes habit exact Well.
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Speaker 3: I think also about how impactful Eva Green's rule was.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of Bond franchise, Like people were.
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Speaker 3: So upset when would she passed? Because like they really
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Speaker 3: thought of her character as like Bond's great love in
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Speaker 3: that movie. So I think it'd be really cool to
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Speaker 3: see something with a deeper romantic investment in the future.
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Speaker 1: Are we just hopeless romantics? Is that where we are?
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Speaker 1: I mean they call these the Roaring twenties. Maybe our
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Speaker 1: hearts are just sitting there screaming to have some attention
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Speaker 1: to be together, you know connected.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sanja's made really excellent points about this before, but
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Speaker 2: we are living in I think a very disconnected time,
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Speaker 2: especially with the Internet and social media and the rise
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Speaker 2: of AI and you know, dating apps. I mean, we've
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Speaker 2: talked about how dating apps kind of remove the yearning
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Speaker 2: from dating because you kind of know everything about a
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Speaker 2: person before you even show up on the date. And
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Speaker 2: I think that people want to connect with each other again.
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Speaker 2: I think people want to experience those real human connections.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, you guys are speaking about storylines
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Speaker 1: in an age where it just seems like social media
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Speaker 1: is how they meet and social media. I've got somebody
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Speaker 1: that I work with that that has never met the
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Speaker 1: person that they claim they're dating. But they're dating, but
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Speaker 1: it's only on the web, and I'm going, I got
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm just an old guy. I don't understand it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I understand you can get deep without seeing
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of the person you want to be with,
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Speaker 1: But my god, there's got to be a connection.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's getting harder and harder out there.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's also that like people sort of
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Speaker 3: don't there's like a lost art to flirting and dating
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Speaker 3: and being in person with people that was like really
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Speaker 3: during lockdown, a lot of those skills and abilities just
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Speaker 3: went away. And also those spaces, like a lot of
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Speaker 3: those like bars and restaurants where people who are meeting
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Speaker 3: people also closed down, so like the literal ability to
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Speaker 3: communicate and connect with people was really reduced. And I
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Speaker 3: think that's why you see such a digitally influenced dating
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Speaker 3: and romantic culture. But I think the media that we're
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Speaker 3: interested in is stuff that like really pushes back on
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Speaker 3: that and is like real connection as possible, and we
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Speaker 3: believe it and this is what it can look like
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Speaker 3: when it's really good.
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Speaker 1: And the one thing that I've learned in the research
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Speaker 1: that I've been doing is that you cannot count out
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Speaker 1: the silver haired people. My god, I think they're more
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Speaker 1: romantic than any other generation, and they are not afraid
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Speaker 1: to showcase it.
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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely. I'm from Florida originally, and I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you're fa ciliar, but yeah, I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you're familiar. But there's a retirement community down there called
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Speaker 2: The Villages, and it is a very it is a
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Speaker 2: very popular spot dating spot. Yeah wow, I didn't know those. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: oh yeah. The Villages is probably one of the most
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Speaker 2: romance obsessed places in the state of Florida, I would guess.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: But don't you think it's cute though, when they're still
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Speaker 1: making the same mistakes they made in their nineteens, in
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Speaker 1: their twenties and even into their thirties, say you're still
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Speaker 1: doing this? I mean, my god, I thought you would
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Speaker 1: have corrected it after these decades.
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Speaker 2: I do. I do find that really endearing because I
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Speaker 2: think it really speaks to the human condition.
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Speaker 1: And that's what's fun about it is that we can
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Speaker 1: all talk about this. I mean, because you can have
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Speaker 1: a young adult that's graduating from high school have that
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Speaker 1: conversation with somebody that's middle age and they're all talking
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Speaker 1: about the same book, and you're going, God, this is
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Speaker 1: the this is what I wanted in my twenties and thirties,
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Speaker 1: where I could share these books. But it was always
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Speaker 1: mum's the word.
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Speaker 2: That's what's been so fascinating, too, is to see how
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Speaker 2: you know, this was something that I remember growing up,
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Speaker 2: you did secretly or you hit what you were reading.
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Speaker 2: I remember when Fifty Shades of Gray was the thing
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Speaker 2: everyone was reading, that people tried to hide that they
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Speaker 2: were reading it firstus. Now romance fans are talking about
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Speaker 2: the books that they love, the scenes that they love,
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Speaker 2: you know, fully open with their faces on TikTok or
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Speaker 2: with their full names on threads or Instagram or YouTube.
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Speaker 2: It's just been it's been a real fascinating change to
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Speaker 2: see and really encouraging. Well.
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Speaker 1: I've always been jealous of the authors only because they
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Speaker 1: experienced before we read it. And I was blessed with
17:10
Speaker 1: the opportunity to sit with Jackie Collins a couple of times. Wow,
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Speaker 1: and my God, to to watch her eyes ignite when
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Speaker 1: you would talk about things. I mean, it was like, geez,
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Speaker 1: you're this is real stuff for you girl. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you're you're not joking around about your writing at all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and icon they're real masters of their I mean
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Speaker 3: Jackie Collins singular, like really singular. But I think all
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Speaker 3: romance authors have such a deep commitment to their craft
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Speaker 3: and like see the process of actually shaping these stories
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Speaker 3: with such seriousness that I think is so cool. And
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Speaker 3: I mean the unfortunate thing is that, like they aren't
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Speaker 3: always given the opportunity to talk about romance and interesting ways,
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Speaker 3: Like I think they are sometimes given the like joke
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Speaker 3: question of like how does the show up in your
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Speaker 3: real life? Like are you is the sex thing that
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Speaker 3: you're writing from real experience kind of stuff, and like
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Speaker 3: obviously a really thoughtful interviewer would go further than that.
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Speaker 3: But like giving them the opportunity to talk about their
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Speaker 3: craft and like explore what it means to actually effectively
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Speaker 3: deliver a romance I think has been one of the
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Speaker 3: really cool projects as a part of the Radio way Through.
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Speaker 1: On pod Well, and that's what I love about what
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Speaker 1: you guys are doing. You're kind of clearing the way
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Speaker 1: for people to say, well, if they're talking about it,
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Speaker 1: so can I I mean, you have no idea how
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Speaker 1: important this has been for me to discover in the
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Speaker 1: way of going they're doing it. I want to talk
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Speaker 1: about it too, because they cleared the way for it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exciting.
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Speaker 1: And if you really look into a Tom Clancy novel
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Speaker 1: these days, these people who have been hired to basically
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Speaker 1: keep that name going, Yeah, there's romance in there that
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Speaker 1: you can see it. And you can see the family
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Speaker 1: togetherness and everything that's in there that started right here
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Speaker 1: in these romance novels or these And I don't want
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Speaker 1: to call everything romance because everybody gets this dirty thought
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Speaker 1: in their mind. No, it's more than that. It's about connection.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I mean there's so many people
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Speaker 3: who love romance and don't know it because what they're
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Speaker 3: saying is I love Tom Clancy. Like but the thing
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Speaker 3: is that they're finding themselves really connected to romance plot
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Speaker 3: lines within other works. And I think that's also worth discussing.
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Speaker 3: Like we're covering romance novels and celebrity culture, but we're
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Speaker 3: also talking about like other media that isn't strictly speaking romance,
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Speaker 3: but has romance and the heart, like that sense of
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Speaker 3: wanting to connect at the heart of it.
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Speaker 1: I want to know how you guys are using the
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Speaker 1: discipline to get these in at thirty minutes, because I mean,
19:34
Speaker 1: come on, we everybody thinks, oh, I don't have two
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Speaker 1: hours to be with Joe. Well you know what, Joe's
19:39
Speaker 1: going to do his own thing. But I want to
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Speaker 1: be here with Radio eight three one, where I've got
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes in the car and they're going to give
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Speaker 1: me exactly what I want and need for that moment.
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Speaker 2: We're so grateful to have a producer that can cut
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Speaker 2: down our conversations into a coherent, tight thirty minutes is
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Speaker 2: the best because we definitely talk longer than.
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Speaker 1: So what do you do with all that stuff that's
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Speaker 1: on the ground Because I save everything. I mean I do,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know why, because I just think, oh,
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a future episode where you gotta have
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Speaker 1: this in there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah you might need it, you never know.
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Speaker 1: It's so true. Where can people go to find out
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Speaker 1: more about what you're doing? Because and are you hooking
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Speaker 1: up with book clubs and stuff to where it's more
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Speaker 1: authentic with sight and sound because that's who we are
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Speaker 1: as a generation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean both of us are like really connected
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Speaker 3: to broader reading communities in Romance, just like personally, but
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Speaker 3: you can also like find the pod anywhere that you
20:38
Speaker 3: find podcasts on all of the major platforms. And then
20:41
Speaker 3: we're also talking about these books on Instagram and stuff
20:45
Speaker 3: at eight three to one stories on Instagram and substack
20:49
Speaker 3: and basically every platform you can think of. So we
20:52
Speaker 3: try to be connected in all sorts of different ways,
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Speaker 3: both digitally in every way that we can, and like
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Speaker 3: in our own lives. We're just very connected to romance
21:01
Speaker 3: readers because we are romance readers.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you guys have got to come back to this
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Speaker 1: show in the future. One of the main subjects I
21:10
Speaker 1: want to cover is songwriters, because if Barry Manilow says
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Speaker 1: that a song or a jingle for a commercial is
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Speaker 1: a hit song, so are the people that are writing
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Speaker 1: songs those are romance novels as well. They're just three
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Speaker 1: minutes and forty five seconds long.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, man will be brilliant today.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much, thank you. It was just
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Speaker 2: so lovely.