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The Jesse Ventura They Don't Want You To See Pt. 4: Wall Street · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Winch Insurance. I'm a check.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm Adam Todd
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  Speaker 2: Brown and I'm Olivia Heidar and we are your hosts. Olivia,
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  Speaker 2: how excited are you to be talking about Jesse Ventura again? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I'm so ready, Adam, I'm ready to dive in. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get to the bottom of this thing. I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: Yours sounds like a ghost, Like it's ghost Jesse Ventura.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he could be. For all we know,
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  Speaker 2: he did a lot of dangerous stuff in his.
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  Speaker 1: Life, that's true. Yeah, maybe he died on the set
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  Speaker 1: of Predator.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why he can't ever get in any of
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  Speaker 2: these government buildings. That's his haunt. Yeah, that's what's gonna
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  Speaker 2: free his spirit and allow him to go to the afterlife.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it just one government building? Is like, yes, right
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  Speaker 2: this way, Governor.
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  Speaker 1: But you would think as a non corporeal being, he
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  Speaker 1: could just walk in, like he could just like walk
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  Speaker 1: through the walls.
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  Speaker 2: No, there's different rules for elected officials when they die.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's true. No, But I do wonder if Jesse
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  Speaker 1: Ventura thinks predators are real. I've always kind of thought
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  Speaker 1: that he does.
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  Speaker 2: He We established that Oliver Stone's kid does because when
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  Speaker 2: Jesse Ventura expressed his doubts over Little Green Men existing
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  Speaker 2: or no reptilian shape shifters.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I missed this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's oh you must have. Yeah, that's the one
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  Speaker 2: where Oliver Stone's son is like, yeah, but you know
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  Speaker 2: things sometimes they put things that are real into movies,
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  Speaker 2: like you were in Predator and it's like, what does
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  Speaker 2: that mean?
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  Speaker 1: That's that's fantastic. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, where did those two go for this season? Oh? No,
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  Speaker 2: they weren't that that season three, so they weren't part
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  Speaker 2: of the team.
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  Speaker 1: God, I'm getting all these spoilers and I and I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I will never watch an episode of this that I'm
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  Speaker 1: not talking about for a podcast, so I'll never see it.
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  Speaker 2: But well that's understandable.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild.
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  Speaker 2: So we've we've made it to episode three. We're backtracking.
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  Speaker 2: We covered episode four last week. It's time around.
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  Speaker 1: We're coming in so hot. On episode four, we both
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  Speaker 1: had takes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I think we'll have takes here. Oh sure,
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  Speaker 2: this is an episode about wall Street, which is he
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  Speaker 2: going to argue that Wall Street is corrupt, because the
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  Speaker 2: hell you say, Governor never heard anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: No, I definitely didn't watch a three hour Martin Scorsese
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  Speaker 1: comedy How Wall Street Is Corrupt.
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  Speaker 2: This would have been right around the time of Occupy
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  Speaker 2: Wall Street, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it had to have been happening or at least tapering.
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  Speaker 1: Was this episode twenty ten or twenty.
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  Speaker 2: I think was twenty eleven?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, then like that's like, well, Occupy Wall Street is
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  Speaker 1: kind of like yeah, like you know it, that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a two thousand and seven eight kind of
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  Speaker 1: starting and then tapering off by eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I moved to New York briefly at
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  Speaker 2: the end of twenty eleven and it was still happening then, right,
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  Speaker 2: because the person I was there with was like, do
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  Speaker 2: you want to go down and see Occupy Wall Street?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like not really.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean my timeline could just be off because
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  Speaker 1: the only information that I could have gotten about it
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  Speaker 1: at that time living in Indiana was through media and so,
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  Speaker 1: and the media didn't really cover Occupy Wall Street, you know,
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  Speaker 1: definitely not in the positive lights.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they also don't cover that it worked and
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  Speaker 2: that Wall Street has been straightened out ever since exactly so.
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  Speaker 2: The intro implies that he thinks our government is controlled
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  Speaker 2: by corporate interests, and again, come on.
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  Speaker 1: God, Jesse, is he takes Is he trying to get
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  Speaker 1: this episode pulled too? Because this is inflammatory citation needed.
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  Speaker 2: The first person he talks to is Bill Murphy, who
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  Speaker 2: is a quote Wall Street guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is the star of Ghost Bosters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He claims the government and Wall Street are in cahoots.
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  Speaker 2: Jesse uses the word cahoots, which is such a such
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  Speaker 2: a good word. And it's at this point that I
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  Speaker 2: realized we are talking about the scheme depicted in the
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  Speaker 2: film The Big Short.
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  Speaker 1: Basically absolutely the which was you know, I not a
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  Speaker 1: movie that I love. I think it's got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of good stuff, but is a retelling of you know,
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  Speaker 1: the financial collapse, the housing market collapse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think at this point when this episode came out,
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  Speaker 2: we just didn't know on a wide scale basis that
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  Speaker 2: that's how it happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it was being talked about,
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  Speaker 1: but it was like, but it's you know, like so
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  Speaker 1: much political, uh financial activity, it's buried under a mountain
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  Speaker 1: of jargon that you have to have lived through the
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  Speaker 1: trenches of like financial either working in the financial industry
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  Speaker 1: or covering it in order to really understand, you know, like, so,
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  Speaker 1: like the information is out there, but if you don't
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  Speaker 1: know what any of these fucking made up weird ass
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  Speaker 1: words to describe a legal behavior mean, then you're not
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  Speaker 1: going to understand it until you watch uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Carell yell about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's if I'm not mistaken. That's the movie
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  Speaker 2: where every once in a while a character will just
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  Speaker 2: stop and explain what they're talking about. Yes, why, that's why. Like,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't have that, then I know there were
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  Speaker 2: people who hated that about the movie, and it's like, man,
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  Speaker 2: that's necessary.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a thing that I hated about that movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So where'd we go? So, yeah, if you're
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  Speaker 2: not familiar that basically, banks gave out a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: mortgages to people who they knew probably couldn't afford him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then they like gave people overseas the option of
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  Speaker 2: basically gambling on whether those mortgages would pay off. And
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  Speaker 2: what it meant is that they were like hedging their
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  Speaker 2: bets if the mortgages failed, then they would make money.
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  Speaker 2: That way if they were paid off, they would make
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  Speaker 2: money because they were paid off exactly. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they they got rich. And Bill Murphy got in front
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  Speaker 2: of the Senate and warned them that Goldman Sachs was
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  Speaker 2: doing this, but no one gave a shit. Yep. And
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  Speaker 2: then Bill Murphy gives a name Andrew Maguire. He was
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  Speaker 2: a whistleblower. He gave Bill Murphy some insider information. Then
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  Speaker 2: he and his wife got hit by a car and
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  Speaker 2: killed the next day. That is always weird. Yep. When
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that happens.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever a whistleblower dies, especially when it's connected to massive
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  Speaker 1: financial interests, you know, that's a red flag.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, Yeah, the I think the most recent
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  Speaker 2: examples there are two really high level people involved in
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  Speaker 2: the Flint Water crisis on the activism side who turned
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  Speaker 2: up dead. And protesters in Saint Louis. Yeah, who, there's
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  Speaker 2: like six or seven who've turned up dead.
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  Speaker 1: I believe seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there police can just be like, hey, Saint
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  Speaker 2: Louis is violent, what do you want us to do?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly? Yeah, those are the people who are protesting in Ferguson.
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  Speaker 1: About Ferguson right in twenty fourteen, and there have been
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  Speaker 1: people who have been disappeared from the protests last year,
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  Speaker 1: the police brutality protests, and that happens often, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they just vanish.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't doubt that he's.
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  Speaker 1: Telling no, absolutely not me. Isn't that basically what happens
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  Speaker 1: in Michael Clayton, Like, yeah, like a financial industry I
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  Speaker 1: have There is no institution more a moral than a
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  Speaker 1: bank or financial institution, right, they are. They are the
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  Speaker 1: absolute definition of pure evil and amorality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's definitely not surprising that they know
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  Speaker 2: after this guy. Also, he said he had his computer hacked,
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  Speaker 2: his car stolen. Yeah, hit in the face with brass knuckles,
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  Speaker 2: Jesus h and again yeah, I believe all that for sure.
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  Speaker 2: It Snout's team meeting time, Okay, all right, all right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: do you have issues with this team meeting? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I think I've got a couple issues with this team meeting. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Not a fan of Daniel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he he really He's rude to Jesse Ventura at
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  Speaker 2: the start of this. Yeah, because he says, uh, well,
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  Speaker 2: he thinks Jesse's just mad because these guys are smarter
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  Speaker 2: than him.
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  Speaker 1: I I view listener, I screamed at the television. I
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  Speaker 1: I full up streamed, screamed, I was soap. I'm sopissed off.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even talk right now, because that is just
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  Speaker 1: that is the excuse forever that that says. That's still
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  Speaker 1: an excuse that people, uh pro capitalist people level at
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  Speaker 1: anybody who criticizes a financial institution or something related to capitalism.
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  Speaker 1: It's just well, you're just you're just mad that these
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  Speaker 1: guys are so much smarter than you and they got
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  Speaker 1: in on the ground floor and you know, pulled themselves
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  Speaker 1: up by their bootstraps and you know, made a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's an insane notion. People like this don't
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  Speaker 2: pull themselves up from their bootstraps. They are dropped into
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  Speaker 2: the middle of this at first, Like, especially the kind
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  Speaker 2: of people we're talking about here, And I know there's
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  Speaker 2: there are every once in a while, there's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: an example of someone who did work really hard to
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  Speaker 2: become one of the people who's currently destroying the planet. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: motherfuckers too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, a weird story to find inspirational. I guess
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  Speaker 1: it's more like a super villain origin story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And when I was watching this, my thought was like,
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  Speaker 2: imagine being skeptical that Goldman Sacks entered into a conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theory to make money in a shady way.
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  Speaker 1: It's like twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Dan the Skeptic just is not buying it.
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  Speaker 1: He sucks. I miss Alex the Skeptic. And look, I
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  Speaker 1: know that these guys are just actors. They are reading
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  Speaker 1: their lines and this poor guy has been cast as
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  Speaker 1: the biggest asshole on the face of the planet. But
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  Speaker 1: I hate him. This sucks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a piece of shit.
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  Speaker 1: I was so pissed at him this entire episode. There's
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  Speaker 1: only a couple people who made me more angry in
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  Speaker 1: this episode, and luckily they get yelled at.
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  Speaker 2: So now it's time. The team meeting has ended, So
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  Speaker 2: now it's time to disperse and everyone goes their separate ways.
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  Speaker 2: Jesse Ventura says that Daniel is in New York City
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  Speaker 2: trying to hook up with a Wall Street turncoat. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if that's how you should say that. I
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  Speaker 2: guess hook up didn't have the same connotations in twenty ten.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe well, no, it did, and you know, maybe that's
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  Speaker 1: how they're going to get the information. Could be, but no,
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  Speaker 1: long long standing tactic of espionage.
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  Speaker 2: But before that, Jesse meets with William Black, who is
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  Speaker 2: a white collar criminologist, which that almost feels more dangerous
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  Speaker 2: than just being a criminologist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, absolutely yes, because these people, the people that
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  Speaker 1: you're going after, have the money to fuck you over,
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  Speaker 1: big game.
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  Speaker 2: You're just a regular criminologist. What's that serial killer gonna
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  Speaker 2: do come after you? You're not his mo o. So he
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  Speaker 2: says the two thousand and nine Wall Street meltdown was
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  Speaker 2: caused by criminal activity, and you knock me over with
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  Speaker 2: a feather when I heard, God, that's another time I
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  Speaker 2: screamed at my TV. And then that's really all he's
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  Speaker 2: got to say is that, yeah, this was criminal.
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  Speaker 1: He kind of recites a few other like basic things
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  Speaker 1: that we now just kind of know about the failure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so now Daniel has his meeting with the
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  Speaker 2: Wall Street whistleblower, who turns out to be a woman
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  Speaker 2: named no Me Prinz. And I understand why he's trying
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  Speaker 2: to hook up.
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  Speaker 1: She's very pretty, I guess, so, I mean, good job man.
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  Speaker 2: She calls Goldman Sachs government Sacks. That is kind of
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  Speaker 2: a funny name.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good line it's a good line.
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  Speaker 2: And she calls him that because, whether Republican or Democrat,
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  Speaker 2: that administration probably has lots of former Goldman Sachs executives
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  Speaker 2: in their cabinet, which is a question that comes up later.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if I completely buy the rich
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  Speaker 2: person's explanation for it, but I sort of buy it.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't buy it really honestly, doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: make any sense. This is this is just not an
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  Speaker 1: organization that needs to have a sway in politics.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean from that standpoint, but are presidents
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  Speaker 2: even allowed to not have bank types on their cabinets anymore?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's a lot. It's in the Patriot Act.
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  Speaker 1: It's just so long, no one career probably.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of one former director of Goldman Sachs was
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  Speaker 2: Treasury secretary under George W. Bush. Yeah, Tim Geidner, Obama's
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  Speaker 2: treasury secretary. It's a former Goldman Sachs executive who oversaw
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  Speaker 2: the bank bailout. That's convenient.
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  Speaker 1: I just I just don't, you know, call call me crazy,
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  Speaker 1: call me radical. I don't think that's ethical.
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  Speaker 2: I don't that's a controversial stance, but I know.
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  Speaker 1: I think it actually is. Honestly, that sucks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it depends on what standpoint you're looking
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  Speaker 2: at it from. I know there's people out there who
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  Speaker 2: will be like, well they have experience with money, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do. The majority of people wouldn't find
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't really blink an eye at that, which sucks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, just when I think nothing interesting is going
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  Speaker 2: to come from this episode, we take a trip to Rome.
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  Speaker 2: Not we don't literally go to Rome, but Daniel the
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  Speaker 2: Skeptic talks to a guy named Michael Stum, who, I
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  Speaker 2: shit you not is credited as a quote member of
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  Speaker 2: an internet message board. That's how Jesse Venture introduces this man.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Strum is a member of an internet message board,
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  Speaker 2: so he's an expert, then, big expert, big time.
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  Speaker 1: This this has happened a couple times on this show,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's always funny. I mean, I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's a time capsule to twenty eleven. But
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  Speaker 1: but was that a credit in twenty eleven? Even now,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way that was like a good like indicator
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  Speaker 1: of a person's knowledge, well.
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  Speaker 2: Even less so in twenty eleven, because we were still
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  Speaker 2: using those things like it was. We were at the
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: tail end of it, but we were definitely still using
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  Speaker 2: internet message boards for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean in Reddit has been around forever. I mean
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  Speaker 1: this it might as well be like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: gold Gilded Redditor. He's received so many gold and silver medals. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand why they wait. And because we've had
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: on like random people like that guy in the Plum
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  Speaker 1: Island episode who was just like some guy that they
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  Speaker 1: found and it's just Man.
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  Speaker 2: The blogger who broke the story.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you can't put any more effort into this.
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  Speaker 2: And here's what I really hate about the section of
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  Speaker 2: the show. First, the guy Michael Strum annoys me to
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  Speaker 2: no end. Yeah, he is clearly playing the role of
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy expert. Like he's smoking cigarettes. Yeah, and he's got
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  Speaker 2: the little fucking glasses and he's.
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  Speaker 1: Doing a poor man's version of the White Van Guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he's the White Van Guy when he was
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  Speaker 2: in his mid forties to early fifties.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and hadn't quite nailed the threatening Bond villain monologue.
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  Speaker 2: He says a guy went on this message board that
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  Speaker 2: he is an exclusive member of and predicted the exact
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: date the financial collapse would happen. Was it was it
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  Speaker 2: one day? I guess no, I know, like the thing
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  Speaker 2: that happened over a period of time, it.
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  Speaker 1: Was like a short period of time. Is the thing
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  Speaker 1: like it kind of cascaded, But it wasn't a single
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  Speaker 1: I don't I would, you know what. I would have
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  Speaker 1: to do some research, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like a day that you could demark as this is
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  Speaker 1: where it breaks fund starts to fundamentally break.
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  Speaker 2: Down, right, Yeah, it has it stands to reason that
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  Speaker 2: it would be a progressive thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And predicting the date is not necessarily like that's
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  Speaker 1: not you know, prophecy, like if people were predicting it,
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  Speaker 1: if people were warning about it.
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  Speaker 2: There's a guy on Twitter who like four or five
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: years ago tweeted, Kobe Bryant is going to die in
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  Speaker 2: a helicopter crash someday. Sure, And it's because Kobe Bryant
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: used a helicopter to commute all the time because he
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: didn't want to be in LA traffic.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and helicopters are dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's an easy so it's an easy uh
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  Speaker 2: easy joke to make on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: But for sure, And but I mean, like for real,
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  Speaker 1: like financial like analysts were looking at the housing market
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  Speaker 1: and we're like, this is going to collapse soon. So
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  Speaker 1: a guy on the message board knowing this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: is not that surprising.
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  Speaker 2: What really makes me angry about this interview with Michael
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  Speaker 2: Strom is he mentions that this is all tied to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: a secretive group called Legattis, Yeah, a group of the
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: richest business men in the world. And then he says
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: they've been compared to Opus Day. Yeah, And and the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: skeptic is like, you mean from the Da Vinci Code.
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  Speaker 1: This is like something out of a Dan Brown novel,
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  Speaker 1: which just tells you it's twenty eleven, baby.
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  Speaker 2: And when when I hear that, I'm like, oh, cool,
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  Speaker 2: well that's what the next five or six minutes is
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  Speaker 2: going to be about at least. And Nope, they just
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  Speaker 2: move on and we never hear about Legatis.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that never ever comes back up. This is one
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  Speaker 1: of the couple of things in this episode where I'm
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: just like, dude, you have there's plenty of real shit
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: to talk about when it comes to Wall Street. All
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you're doing is muddying the waters when you bring in
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the fucking Opus Day and like all this other shit
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: he's about to talk about. Like, it's just frustrating. Man.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: So now team meeting time, right time for a team meeting.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It's time to talk about the Federal Reserve Bank, which
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: jesse Ventura seems to be very sure he can just
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: get right in the door because he's just got to
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: meet a guy first.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Continuing the trend of jesse Ventura just assuming that as
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the most important person on the planet, he is allowed
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to enter whatever building he wants to enter.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the Federal Reserve?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not something that I have necessarily devoted
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of research too, you know, so I don't
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: have any strong feelings on it one way or the other.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I do have some strong feelings on you know, some
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of the people who have strong feelings about it, and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: it kind of makes me lean towards like, you know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: if that's the opposition. I don't know that it's necessarily
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that bad.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just in general don't trust huge government institutions
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: like that. I don't doubt that the Federal Reserve is
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: up to something.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I mean for sure. Again, this is my blanket statement
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: whenever we talk about any of these fucking government agencies.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Is like, you know, by default, my trust is very
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: low for these things. But as far as the FED, like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you know, it's fucked up because it's a capital you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: it's enforcing the capitalist hierarchy, and it's fucked up because
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a financial system within a political system.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: But like beyond that, I don't know that it's anything
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: more sinister than the you know, continuation of capitalism. I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: think that's the sinister as it gets.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if it wasn't the Federal Reserve, they would have
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: found some way. Yeah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Again, this is just a thing that if you're going
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to be a capitalist government, you need to have a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: central bank, Like that's what you need.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: And so it turns out his guy that he has
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: to go meet, who he somehow thinks is going to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: get him in the door of the Federal Reserve is
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Ron Paul. So now Jesse Ventura is in a Fusion
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Center database somewhere or having affiliated with Ron Paul.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: And this is Ron Paul. Like I believe he's out
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: of the Senate now and he is about he's running
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: for president in twenty eleven, in twenty twelve, So this
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: is a like a this is his version of like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a pr play. He's like, this is him appearing on
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: like the Today Show, but it's.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: A little bit yeah, the Today Show for libertarians Conspiracy
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Theory with Jesse Ventura. He says the Federal Reserve deserves
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: to blame for the housing bubble, and yeah, probably, I
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I mean yes, I mean I think there are lots
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of people and institutions that deserve blame for the housing crisis,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, systems of economics that are responsible for
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the housing crisis.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like nine to eleven. Like there's that
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: documentary from the guy who had the computer program who
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: was like this would have stopped nine to eleven, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: it's like probably not on its own, Like yeah, like
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: it's and this is, you know, the same thing.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he and the guys, you know, not to skip ahead,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but the people later in the episode just make the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the cojin point that there, you know, this is the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: system that we have, Yeah, and the system that we
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: have led to the collapse as assuredly as you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: anything else might happen, Like it was just like a
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: sure thing that it was going to happen eventually.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Ron Paul also says something that I found a little confusing. First,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: he says the Chairman of the Federal Reserve is a
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: day dictator.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: But then he also says he's beholden to the banks
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and corporations above him. Is that how dictators work?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I mean some dictators. Yeah, but like, I definitely don't
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: think that the chairman of the Filler Reserve is a dictator.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that seems like a stretch.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ron Paul is you know, should be said,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: he noted fabulous. He he loves to make up some
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: fun exaggerations.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Before Ron Paul gets out of here. He does, he
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: does drop a joke on us. Jesse Ventura says something
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: about Goldman Sachs, and Ron Paul says, does Goldman mean
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: they have the gold.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And they keep it in sacks?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly. I feel like he was high during this interview. Man.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I just Ron Paul sucks And it was a real
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: bummer when he showed up on this show. Honestly, Uh yeah, how.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Did you feel about Matt Tayebi showing up? Because that
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: guy's an actual journal Yes.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: He's a real guy, and I think it's cool, like
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and the you know, again, he's in he's uh, integral
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to the best part of the episode, and so I'm
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: glad that he's on board.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: He mentions a thing that was really interesting about the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: housing bubble and when it collapsed, when the banks were
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: putting some of their rules in place for how they
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: were gonna allow people to trade these mortgages, they had
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to in some cases tailor their rules so they didn't
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: run a foul of state gaming laws. Yeah, so they
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: were quite literally gambling with people's money exactly, And yeah,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: him being here kind of adds a little bit of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: credibility to what they're talking about, which so should make
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: it no surprise that we eventually find out this is
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: exactly what happened, right, Like everything they're describing really did.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Happen, absolutely, And it's good that there's someone here to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: lend credibility because I think we we kind of brushed
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: past it. But there is a moment when someone early
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: on is describing how the modern financial control of our country,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: uh was brought about by a group of five bankers who,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: oh who run things. And luckily that's the only time
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that they brush up against that particular anti submitic conspiracy theory,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: but it definitely was in there, and it definitely made
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: me go whoa.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what a shock that that would show up
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: on an episode of Conspiracy.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I wish I could remember. Sure, Yeah, I wish I
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: could remember who it was you brought it up.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It's probably Ron Paul.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I think it might have been because he was talking
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a lot about the history of the Federal Reserve. Yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: but I can't remember specifically, and I don't want to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: necessarily say that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I do like that Goldman Sachs moved to a building
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: with no signage. Yeah, but also that's that's that should
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: not come as that much of a surprise.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: They're they're probably secretive. There's a lot of stuff similar
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to the government. There's not much I wouldn't believe about
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Goldman Sex.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. I mean what did we think of
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Ross Mandel? Who is his credit is indicted Wall Street trader.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, you know, I don't know. He's interesting, he's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: got a weird vibe.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really solid source.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a solid source. But he's agro.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: You know, he's very aggressive and night on the Staten
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Island ferry like the goddamn Wu Tang clan, which I
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: was really intrigued because at one point, Jesse Venture is
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: like I left Ross on the Staten Island ferry and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Jesse Venture is just still on the Staten Island ferry.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: So he was like, all right, fuck you Ross, I'm
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: gonna stand somewhere else on the boat.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to go stand by my black Dodge Challenger,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: featured prominently throughout these episodes.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: It sure is. I mean, I guess this is the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: audience for the Dodge Challenger.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a cool the old classic Dodge Challenger.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Red car Ross is First, he describes himself as small peanuts,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: which I'm assuming means he just stole like three billion
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: dollars instead of fifty billion dollars exactly. And I also
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: don't know if small peanuts is a thing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: We say, uh no, I think he's mixing up small potatoes,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: well small there's small potatoes, small fry, and then there's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: peanuts referring to like not a lot of something. What
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a fucking idiot, Yeah, what a dumbass. Also, fuck him
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: for being an indicted trader, like that sucks. Like he's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: not a good person.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: And he's very angry that he's been indicted and none
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of the other criminals have been and I bet they
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: picked this guy as the fall guy mostly on personality ground.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because he he's not going to be the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: kind of guy who gets like sympathy from.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Jury No no, and not from his co workers either.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: He seems like a whole fucking handful to be around. Yeah,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and did not like his vibe again, and he's got
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: a line that he loves using, which is that the banks,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: the people behind this conspiracy theory, Yeah, raped the wealth
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of America.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Oh no, not the wealth.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And that's that's the word he keeps using.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Is I hated that I don't like, you know what.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I was on the fence, but I now I don't
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: like this guy. I don't like him at all. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I think he's a detriment to the later the last
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: scene of the episode, which is otherwise excellent. Yes, but
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like he just fucks everything up because he's too agro.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: He maybe he's like one of these wormwood guys, like
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you know, like it could be like Jesus, you know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: maybe that was his deal for his insider trading thing.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: So the alligation here is that this is all a
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: scheme to privatize social security. Another thing they don't explore
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: at all. They just throw it out there and then
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: well we move on.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And because probably because you know, Ron Paul doesn't come back.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But that's a big bugbear of Ron Paul's. Was so
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: security he hated it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Oh that makes sense because he's an asshole. So now
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: it's time for this big interview that we've been talking about.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: This this was wild at the.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: End of the episode. Do they ever say who he's
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: talking to?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I definitely don't remember any of their
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: names or positions. It seemed like they were just generally
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: executives of some sort at Goldman Sacks. I think it
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: was Goldman, and I think at least one of them
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: was from Goldman, and then there were like others who
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: were from other places. Again, this was all very vague,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: but like I did, unlike some of the people that
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: they featured on this show, I did not get the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: sense that these were actors. And the presence of Matt
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Tayibe also lends this like a real weight of credibility
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: that I think, you know, they might talk to Matt
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Tayibe if they wouldn't talk to Jesse Ventura.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if nothing else, I'm jealous that he got to
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: be in the room for this.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And he is great. Like I again, like it's so
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: perfect because he is so simple in so many ways,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Like he just he's not really able to form like long,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: complex thoughts, and so his questions are just direct and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: basic and elementary, and those are the kinds of questions
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that the dudes in that position never have to answer
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and are totally baffled by and unable to come up
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: with a reasonable answer for anything that he says.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The only time they get into a point that
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: sort of makes sense is when Jesse venture is like, well,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: what why do all the top people work at Goldman
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Sachs And they're like, well, it's the biggest and they
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: attract the most talented people. Yeah, And he says, you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like a high level college football program
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: where they, you know, attract the best players every year,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and Jesse Ventura goes, yeah, but do they win the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: national championship every year? And yeah, kind of like there's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: not a ton of parody in college football. University of Alabama,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: for example, won the national championship in two thousand and nine,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: twenty eleven, twenty twelve, twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen and twenty
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty twenty, people don't say it that way.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And this was a thing that I did not notice
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: at all because I don't know anything about sports.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm the Matt Tayebe of this no here
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to jump in with all the sports information.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: And he's there and he's not like I think he
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: gets the importance of jesse Ventura's simplistic questioning, like because
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: he's there for backup and factual information, but he lets
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: he mostly lets jesse Ventura and grill these guys.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because jesse Ventura is there to body slam
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the Wall Street bully boys. That's what the voiceover says
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: before this interview starts.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And and he kind of does. I think those guys
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: were on the ropes at the end of that of
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: this interview.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They they start getting desperate with the questions. Like
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: at one point one of them is like, so you're
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: mad about the CEO of Goldman Sachs making forty million
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a year but not someone who plays for the New
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: York Yankees. Yeah, it's like, motherfucker, that guy playing for
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the Yankees makes the Yankees more money than they pay him. Yep,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: like that is not the same thing. And I think
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: it's Matt Taibi, who's like, taxpayers don't write, hey, baseball
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: player sally exactly a salary.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And like he had, like this guy, there's the one
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: guy in I think he had. He's the guy with
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the gold tie who was the worst of all of them,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: just the biggest fucking prick, and he is just constantly like,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, you say that they got bonuses of
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: forty eight million dollars, but we live in New York
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: City and so forty eight million dollars isn't really that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: much money when you consider that, And I'm like, it's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: a bonus. It's the bonus, is what it is. It's
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: a bonus paid by taxpayers on top of the obscene
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: salary that he's already paid.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. If you give me forty eight
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: million dollars and drop me in the middle of New
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: York City, I promise you I will never have to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: work a day again in my life.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely forty eight million dollars I would have so
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I would be able to give money to my kids.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one thing I don't understand why more NFL
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: players like this quarterback of plays for Buffalo. Josh Allen
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: just signed a deal where he's making like two hundred
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and fifty million over the course of six years. Yeah.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I would retire at the end of those six years. Yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'm set. What else do I need?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I want to keep playing in Buffalo the rest of
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: my life. Yeah, I mean riskin not being able to walk.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Fuck that, get me out of here.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I mean there has to be with something like that.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I guess there has to be a level of liking
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: it and enjoying the camaraderie and all that stuff. But
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: still I would fucking retire Jesus.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd go coach my kids. Fucking pee wee lea. Yeah.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And that's but that's kind of one of Jesse's questions
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: is like, so it's not enough to get forty million
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: dollars one year. Yeah, you have to get forty million
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the next year in the next year, right steer And
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: they're just like, yeah, yeah, that's that is what we need.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: And again and they and they keep repeating this and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: they are not wrong, but like they're like, we're this
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: is just the system. We're we're we are operating the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: systems at the highest efficiency that we that is possible,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and it's not our fault that that led to a
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: massive collapse that ruined millions of lives. And he is
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: correct that it not and that they're not it's not
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: their fault, but like that is what they were doing
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: is playing the system as it was designed to be
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: played at the highest possible level, and it just happened
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to lead to a massive financial crass that they then
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: got bailed out by the fucking Obama administration who fucking
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: paid them millions and millions of dollars instead of paying
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: out the goddamn American public. Ruined millions of lives. I
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: don't know if you could tell if I'm passionate about
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: this this topic.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: It's worth being passionate over.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I like, it's something that's still I'm just I am
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: still actively angry about it. If we talk when it
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: comes up, it just it lights that fuse.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, this is definitely a huge scandal.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Like all of this, like all the questions being asked
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: here are proper, Yeah, and makes sense, and I hate
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: that they keep bringing up Well, if you want this
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: to change, then just write laws that will change it. Yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Like motherfucker. Our politicians are all beholden to you exactly.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: You understand for us to get those laws, we're going
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: to have to take to the streets and murder most
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: of you.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: And Jesse says, like, uh, you are you control the politicians.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: He's like that's correct, And I just love that. Jesse
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like just came back at them with that, And I
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: really like, we're not getting We're really not conveying how
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: great the scene is. If it's possible, you should watch it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: If nothing else in this episode, it's it's so entertaining,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and just the vibe in the room is so wired,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: like everyone is just kind of nervy, and like the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Wall Street guys are just obviously not used to having
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: to defend their lifestyle at all, Like, and it's it's
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: really worth it to see that. It just exposes the snakes.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: They are just fucking vipers and when when they're pushed
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: it to a corner, they just can't get get out
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesse Ventura is very angry during this entire interview, right, Lisa,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: like if people need to be angry about this.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And then they bring in Ross Mandel and he is
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: so fucking stupid and unreasonable.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's like looking at the camera while he's delivering
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: his rape the Wealth of America.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Polog He comes in and totally just takes over this
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: wonderful scene and just drives it into the ground and
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: ruins the scene. It sucks. I was really bummed out
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  Speaker 1: by it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone seems weirded out when he comes in.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: He seems like a fucking weirdo. Yeah, fucking insider trader.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy that they wanted us to feel sorry
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: for that guy just because his argument was well, a
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: bunch of other people did this too and they didn't
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: get caught.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally, But like that is a thing where
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Jesse having a sympathetic ear in that moment does kind
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: of reveal who that guy is, Like yeah, and that
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: he's not sorry for ripping off millions of dollars from
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: innocent people. He uh just thinks other people should get
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: if he gets in trouble, other people should do.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And if you want a more infuriating version of that story,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: there's a documentary about the one bank that was prosecuted
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: over this and it is a small family owned I
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: think Korean Bank.
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  Speaker 1: I have heard about this, and it's.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Insane, Like and the thing is, they didn't really do anything.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Now when you dig in to the evidence against them,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: they didn't do shit. Yeah, but they're the only bank
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: that got brought down for this. Yes, like that, like
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: be mad about that. I have them on this episode,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: not Ross Mandel.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly or yeah exactly, And like this is the whole
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: thing about talking about this subject also, is that these
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: giant financial institutions and these huge banks are destroying public
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: trust in the very concept of banking, which is extremely
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: damaging to like an important found fabric of our country.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Like if a bank operates ethically and just you know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: keeps people's money and gives loans and does like normal, safe,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: like above board bank things, then they are not contributing
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: to this like disastrous financial institutions that run our country.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: But like those things get overshadowed by the Chases and
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the Goldman Sachs and all of these things, and it's
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: just pathetic.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Jesse's angry, Yeah, so angry. He bangs on
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the table. Yeah, says, let's go the way out. He
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: turns and says, and I'll be fighting for the little
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: guy and kicking your asses.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah hell yeah, Now I want to smoke weed with
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Jesse again.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's back back in our good graces, out
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: of the doghouse, which probably an opinion that would get
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: us canceled right now, pretty right wing on the last episode.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but I've smoked weed with lots of people.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've smoked weed with people who are in jail
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: for murder now, So I.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Mean I would rather smoke weed with someone like that
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: than a Republican.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least they're in jail for the murders they committed. Yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: or you know, I don't like Republicans.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Was it like justified? I don't know, like none every.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Oh no, he robbed a drug dealer and then tried
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: to blame his best friend for it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah wow.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Not not a good thing at all.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Know, that's that seems that's a bad guy, but.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Real asshole who loved to talk about how good he
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: was at karate.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: But he shouldn't be in jail.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so that's our episode. Remember to check your
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: pets for ticks, everybody. Uh, do we have anything to
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: plug before we get out of here? Uh?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter and uh twitch at
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: high there hidar Uh and you know if you look
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: up into the night sky and the sun is just
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: right Wait, what, never mind, I don't know.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I was happy a joke.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of high. I've had to deal with this.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I had to deal with this Wall Street shit somehow.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I would have really freaked out if I wasn't.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: H follow the show on Instagram at Conspira Pops and uh,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: that's all I got. Let's get the hell out of here.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Olivia say goodbye, bye, goodbye everybody. We love you.