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Credlin | 15 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company as always. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up in the program. Labour's running scared, with
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister already raising the prospect of election interference
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Speaker 2: from Elon Musk laying down the groundwork to dismiss any
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Speaker 2: criticism of Labor in the campaign. There's simply disinformation. The
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Speaker 2: landmark report that's found programs to deradicalize those fixated on
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Speaker 2: terrorism have failed to change behavior. We all know about
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Speaker 2: it too, because we've got an FOI report and what
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Speaker 2: it sees should worry all of us, particularly with recent
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Speaker 2: arrivals to Australia out of Gaza. So shortly, i'll play
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Speaker 2: you a video that brilliantly skewers the left with their
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Speaker 2: perpetual outrage campaign and carry on.
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Speaker 3: Now they hate being laughed at, so let's keep it up.
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Speaker 2: And yet again the Prime Minister branded week over his
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Speaker 2: response to racial hate. Mark my words, weakness will be
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Speaker 2: a word that haunts Anthony Albanisi in the coming campaign.
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Speaker 4: We want strength from the Prime Minister at a time
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Speaker 4: when our country needs it, and unfortunately he's not displaying that.
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Speaker 4: I can promise all Australians that if elected as Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister of this country, we will have an immediate response,
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Speaker 4: a zero tolerance to anti semitism in our country.
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Speaker 2: But first, some weeks ago, an Australian fighting with the
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian Foreign Legion was.
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Speaker 3: Captured by the Russians.
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Speaker 2: Footage then emerged of Oscar Jenkins, originally from Melbourne, being
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Speaker 2: brutally interrogated. Well, now there are credible reports that the
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Speaker 2: former school teacher has been executed. I know that with
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Speaker 2: everything else that's happening in the world, Ukraine is not
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Speaker 2: front of mind as it once was.
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Speaker 3: But never forget.
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Speaker 2: Not only has Putin's army invaded a neighbor that was
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Speaker 2: doing Russia no harm. Not only have Putin's missiles rain
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Speaker 2: down indiscriminately on Ukrainian civilians, killing thousands, but Bruton's troops
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Speaker 2: have committed war crimes on a grand scale, killing dozens
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Speaker 2: and dozens of civilians in places like Buka, and routinely
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Speaker 2: it seems, torturing, maiming, even executing prisoners of war. For once,
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Speaker 2: the Albertezi government has responded strongly to a gross attack
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Speaker 2: on Australian so unlike its supine response when a Chinese
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Speaker 2: warship deliberately injured Australian Navy.
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Speaker 5: Divers, we call upon Russia to immediately confirm Oscar Jenkins's
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Speaker 5: status if there has been any harm caused to Oscar Jenkins.
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Speaker 5: So it's absolutely reprehensible and the Australian government will take
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Speaker 5: the strongest action possible.
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Speaker 2: Now, frankly, that's the least we should do. The only
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Speaker 2: language a dictator understands is strength.
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Speaker 3: It all.
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Speaker 2: Too often the albert Ezi government seems ambivalent between our
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Speaker 2: allies and our strategic competitors, as when the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: recently backed the Chinese dictator against the incoming American president
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Speaker 2: on tariffs. Now, I'm all for free trade where there's
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Speaker 2: a level playing field, but between the Western China that
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Speaker 2: doesn't exist, and all we've ended up doing is export
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Speaker 2: our jobs and manufacturing sovereignty to a communist dictatorship. Now,
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Speaker 2: the best response to this latest reported outrage in Ukraine
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Speaker 2: would be to clean out the sheds where we're storing
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Speaker 2: hundreds of surplus Bushmaster and Hawkeye armored vehicles, as well
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Speaker 2: as our surplus Abrams tanks that we could then immediately
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Speaker 2: dispatch to Ukraine as well as the soon to be
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Speaker 2: replaced Tiger helicopters. No foreign government should be able to
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Speaker 2: kill an Australian with impunity, let alone one who is.
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Speaker 3: A president of war.
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Speaker 2: But Pootin needs to feel our strength, not just diplomatic
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Speaker 2: outrage if this response to a yet unconfirmed but likely
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Speaker 2: execututian is confirmed. Oh now for something a little different,
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Speaker 2: something to lighten the mood. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 2: clip from an ozzy comedian Troy Kind, that pretty well
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Speaker 2: sums up the modern manness, doesn't it. It's reserviced to
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Speaker 2: get ahead of Australia.
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Speaker 3: Day of it. You're going to enjoy it as much
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Speaker 3: as I did.
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Speaker 1: I got to get in.
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Speaker 6: Oh later on, I'll just ask this guy excuse me,
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Speaker 6: would you mind taking a photo of us?
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Speaker 1: Problem?
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Speaker 7: Thank you?
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Speaker 8: Okay, everybody say geez, I'm.
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Speaker 3: Actually I'm a vegan.
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Speaker 1: Could you please have us say something else?
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Speaker 2: Okay, everybody say toyfu tyfo is actually not as good
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Speaker 2: for you as vegan sink. Any CrossFit will tell you
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Speaker 2: that it's a bat for your test lsterone levels.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, how about we all just smile? One
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Speaker 3: more asks me to smile, not.
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Speaker 8: Really taking a photo for you, So I said a
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Speaker 8: smile about it anyway?
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Speaker 5: Okay, would you like me to just count backwards from three?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Would you like dyslexic people to does not exist?
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Speaker 3: My cousin has the sex? Yes, so offended.
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Speaker 2: Adopted, don't even know who my cousins are, so more offended.
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Speaker 1: How about this?
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Speaker 8: We all put a word we're comfortable with in our
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Speaker 8: heads and I'll get this shot. It doesn't sound very inclusive, though,
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Speaker 8: does it. I suppose you'd like us all to stand
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Speaker 8: a few meters apart with your stalin.
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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, I don't see what religion has to do
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Speaker 2: with this.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm an atheist, so majorly triggered?
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Speaker 9: Is that a comment on the gun debate?
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Speaker 3: Still trying to control people? But it's not just the people.
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Speaker 3: Has anyone thought about the animals?
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Speaker 1: Look, this is what we're going to do.
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Speaker 8: Everybody throw up a peace sign and I'll take a photo. Wow,
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Speaker 8: cultural appropriation is alive, And well, why don't you just
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Speaker 8: ask us to say kung fu?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 8: What new plan?
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Speaker 1: Group?
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Speaker 8: Selfie? Ready?
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Speaker 3: So go boom and looks awesome.
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Speaker 1: You g gotta love it.
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Speaker 3: That's a maya.
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Speaker 1: You took it with a front camera.
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Speaker 3: You're stupid cyclists. Hope you're laughing as much as I did.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there are so many no go zones today
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Speaker 2: that's triggering the outrage in industry. Well, kitty, they're askew
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Speaker 2: as most of them. Unfortunately, it's the skolds, the obsessing
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Speaker 2: over everything and just waiting to be offended that have
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Speaker 2: set the agenda for way too long now. For me,
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Speaker 2: the most poignant remark there was the comment about what
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Speaker 2: is there to smile about? Sure, there are lots of problems,
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Speaker 2: Sure Australia has them. Some are real, like our economy
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Speaker 2: being held back by too much tax and wasteful government spending,
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Speaker 2: like too much stress on what makes us different rather
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Speaker 2: than our unity. And some of the concerns are pretty confected,
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Speaker 2: like this absolute climate crisis that's it's really infecting our
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Speaker 2: young people, and those ludicrous crime claims that gender's got
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with biology. But as I keep saying,
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Speaker 2: to have the right to live in Australia is to
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Speaker 2: one the lot is to win the lottery of life.
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Speaker 2: The fact that people are now starting to make a
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Speaker 2: real joke of woke makes me think that better days
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Speaker 2: are on the way now. There's nothing being the left
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Speaker 2: hysterics hate more than being laughed at. So please let's
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Speaker 2: keep it up, all right, let's get the headlines now.
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Speaker 2: From camera Sky News political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 8: Good evening, Australia's Special Envoy to combat antisemitism has called
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Speaker 8: for anyone who vandalizes a synagogue to be handed mandatory
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Speaker 8: jail time.
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Speaker 7: Attacking places of worship in particular, but other places in
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Speaker 7: order to intimidate the Jewish community, they should actually result
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Speaker 7: in jail time.
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Speaker 8: The Prime Minister has met with leaders of New South
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Speaker 8: Wales and Victoria to discuss the response to antisemitism, but
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Speaker 8: on sentencing he's letting states chart their own course.
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Speaker 5: We have a separation of powers.
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Speaker 4: If elected as Prime Minister of this country, we will
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Speaker 4: have an immediate response, a zero tolerance to antisemitism.
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Speaker 8: An Australian man is feared to have been killed by
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Speaker 8: Russian forces after he was captured while fighting in Ukraine.
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Speaker 5: If there has been any harm caused to Oscar Jenkins,
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Speaker 5: it's absolutely reprehensible and the Australian Gunment will take the
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Speaker 5: strongest action possible.
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Speaker 4: If there is confirmation that Oscar has been killed, then
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Speaker 4: the Ambassador here in Australia should be sent packing.
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Speaker 8: From cuddling warmbats to critical infrastructure. The pre election campaign
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Speaker 8: is rolling on goodness. See it the Prime Minister visiting
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Speaker 8: Tasmanian target seats of Braddon and Lyons. While Peter Dutton
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Speaker 8: two was the bushfire hit Grampians in Victoria named it
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Speaker 8: after the fires na These four legged locals can't vote,
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Speaker 8: but an independent candidate will challenge the coalition's grip on
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Speaker 8: the seat of one.
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Speaker 10: And they're not as quiet as there some question time
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Speaker 10: I can tell.
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Speaker 8: You Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All right, that's good. To some other issues.
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Speaker 2: Following Elon Musk's support for Donald Trump in the recent
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Speaker 2: US presidential election, there seems to be some ankst amongst
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Speaker 2: the labor ranks that he might try and get in
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Speaker 2: our election as well. Although Mosk hasn't really weighed into
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Speaker 2: our political scenes so far, the Prime minist today is
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Speaker 2: set about to warn him off, declaring that any interference
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Speaker 2: from Mask won't be tolerated.
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Speaker 11: Confirmed about the potential for law Musk to melan the
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Speaker 11: upcoming election presented that.
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Speaker 5: Just focused on good policies and good outcomes for Australia.
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Speaker 3: Foreign interference has used to spolet use.
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Speaker 5: Well, there is foreign interference laws in place over things
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Speaker 5: like foreign donations, and there are a range of laws
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Speaker 5: that ensure that our democracy needs to be protected. That's
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Speaker 5: a good thing. It's been introduced in a bipartisan way.
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Speaker 2: Now it all comes at a time as Meta confirms
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Speaker 2: it has no plans to end fact checking in Australia
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Speaker 2: by recently announcing it would scrap the practice in the
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Speaker 2: United States. For more on this than the other headlines today,
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by the new host of Drive on Radio
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Speaker 2: four BC and Queensland. I wrote, Gary hart Grave, congratulations, mate,
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Speaker 2: that's a guy on you senior report Callan Marcus. Well, Gary,
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Speaker 2: first to you. I reckon Elon Musk has got label
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Speaker 2: jumping its shadows here.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think? But also on the
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Speaker 3: broader issue.
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Speaker 2: Of Meta scrapping fact checking at home but leaving it
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Speaker 2: in place here for our election.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a few things have done differently here to there.
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Speaker 12: I mean McDonald's have scrapped DEI in the United States,
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Speaker 12: but are keeping it going here for instance. But look,
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Speaker 12: I don't believe that label ever complaining when Twitter existed
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Speaker 12: before Musk, they never complained when it was a dreadful
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Speaker 12: swamp of left wing activists who were constantly putting a
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Speaker 12: whole lot of miss and disinformation out there about all
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Speaker 12: sorts of stuff leading up.
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Speaker 1: To the last election, for instance.
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Speaker 12: And I don't think too worried about Meta Facebook whatever
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Speaker 12: you call them, doing exactly the same thing. So you know,
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Speaker 12: the United States have got leadership now from Donald Trump,
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Speaker 12: who is changing the world, and over the next twelve months,
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Speaker 12: I think we're going to see a liberation of the world.
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Speaker 12: The world is going to be able to speak its
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Speaker 12: mind and people will be trusted again. But Australia's Labor
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Speaker 12: Party government has a different approach to this, and so
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Speaker 12: I would have thought Facebook meta are going to tread
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Speaker 12: a little more carefully here. So I think the fact
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Speaker 12: checking thing is probably going to stick around for a
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Speaker 12: little bit longer. But look, as far as Elon Musk
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Speaker 12: is concerned, I think people in Australia can be trusted
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Speaker 12: to work out which way is up and which way
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Speaker 12: is this and which way is that, and the miss
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Speaker 12: and disinformation from the left has been so thick and Peter,
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Speaker 12: I've been saying this for some time that it's not
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Speaker 12: going to be a pendulum swing as the world turns
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Speaker 12: its back on left and woke, it's going to be
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Speaker 12: a bungee jump. I think the recoil is on right
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Speaker 12: now and people are over it, and Trump is going
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Speaker 12: to liberate us to actually get on with a sense
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Speaker 12: of trust of people, people being able to say and
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Speaker 12: do things and take responsibility for it.
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Speaker 1: So I think better days.
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Speaker 12: Are coming, but Albow is still welded into the past unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Sydney where a mayor of
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Speaker 2: the Inner West, the so called progressive heartland that picks
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Speaker 2: up a fair bit of Anthony Albanize. He's elected a
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Speaker 2: Grainler and the mayors said that the Greens have failed
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Speaker 2: at every level to combat anti Semitism. They've even inflamed
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Speaker 2: tensions in the area. This is Darcy Byrne, who's told
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Speaker 2: The Australian there's one political party that's not been taking
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Speaker 2: enough care to combat anti semitism at multiple levels, and
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Speaker 2: that's the Greens Party. Well, you know this is no
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Speaker 2: surprise to all of us. We've watched it here unfold
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Speaker 2: for many, many years.
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Speaker 3: Caroline.
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Speaker 2: We've got Labour Zone Special Envoy Julian Siegel. She wants
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Speaker 2: to see mandatory sentences banty Semitic attacks.
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Speaker 3: The PM has.
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Speaker 2: Ruled that out. But I'll tell you what I mean.
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Speaker 2: He can say all he likes on these issues. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't attack the Greens on anti Semitism. But even where
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Speaker 2: he is luke warm in his attack, even if he
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Speaker 2: goes that far, he still takes their preferences. So his
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Speaker 2: talks pretty.
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Speaker 7: Cheap, you know, talk is very to Peter. What would
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Speaker 7: really count is if he puts his preferences, parties, potential
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Speaker 7: votes where his mouth is, and he refuses to do that.
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Speaker 7: When the Anti Semitism Envoy was announced at the Holocaust
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Speaker 7: Museum in Sydney, I was there. I was in the
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Speaker 7: press pack and I asked Anthony Albanizi about comments that
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Speaker 7: the Green senator Marine Ferruki had just made in which
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Speaker 7: she refused to say whether she thought her mouth should
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Speaker 7: be dismantled, where she had praised the vandals that had
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Speaker 7: climbed to the top of the Australia in Parliament and
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Speaker 7: unfilled a banner a calling for free Palestine, among other slogans.
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Speaker 7: And he was so strong in condemning Feruki and the
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Speaker 7: Greens for that. But when I followed up with a question, well,
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Speaker 7: does that mean that you will not take their preferences. Well,
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Speaker 7: he wouldn't say no, and this has consistently been his
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Speaker 7: position since October seven and since we've seen this just
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Speaker 7: complete skyrocketing and anti semitism in the country that has
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Speaker 7: been fuelled in a large part by the Greens and
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Speaker 7: their supporters, largely at protests, at encampments, at the Greens
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Speaker 7: held events and rallies. So I think it is very
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Speaker 7: cheap just to talk those words. I'd like to see
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Speaker 7: him do what John Howard did a long time ago
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Speaker 7: and say that he will preference the Greens last, and
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Speaker 7: he will not work with the Greens' if there's a
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Speaker 7: minority government, which all the polling suggests that if Labor
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Speaker 7: does get back in then that will be the case.
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Speaker 7: But he won't do that because it will cost him
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Speaker 7: too much politically, and that just shows him he is
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Speaker 7: That shows he's not really serious about anti Semitism, which
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Speaker 7: we all really know, and that he is not a
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Speaker 7: conviction politician.
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Speaker 2: No, yeah, my dad would have said, he's all had
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Speaker 2: no cowboy when it comes to these things.
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Speaker 3: You know, all talk, no action.
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Speaker 2: Gary Australia Day I think we're seeing well, we are
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Speaker 2: seeing a real shifting community attitudes. And I think people
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Speaker 2: have felt like this for a long time. They've been
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Speaker 2: scared to speak their mind. I think things like the
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Speaker 2: Voice have now opened up the trust and the confidence
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Speaker 2: of people to be outspoken about their national Day. Peter
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Speaker 2: Duarton has said he's open to actually legislating to protect
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Speaker 2: Australia Day on the twenty sixth of January.
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Speaker 3: Do you think do we edit in shrine in law?
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Speaker 12: Well, I think so, just as we had to protect
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Speaker 12: the Australian flag the Flag Act National Flag Act of
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Speaker 12: nineteen ninety six was one of the first things the
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Speaker 12: Howard government did because up until then the flag could
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Speaker 12: have been changed by cabinet decisions. So you can't do that.
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Speaker 12: And most people love our flag. It's a wonderful flag.
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Speaker 12: In fact, we allow another country to use part of
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Speaker 12: our flag as their entire flag.
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's face that, Peter.
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Speaker 12: Australia Day is a day that's not about January of
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Speaker 12: seventeen eighty eight. For most Australians, it's actually about citizenship.
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Speaker 12: It's actually about those who've taken on Australian citizenship by
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Speaker 12: choice and that all happened from Australia Day of nineteen
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Speaker 12: forty nine. And this in itself is why this day
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Speaker 12: doesn't just simply belong to these activists who want to
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Speaker 12: rewrite Australia's history and to point out their grievances.
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Speaker 1: Peter the simple.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just jump in there. Because you're a former
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Speaker 2: citizenship minister.
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Speaker 3: What did you make it?
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Speaker 2: Statistics out today that about a third of people that
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Speaker 2: put themselves forward for the citizenship test fail it. We've
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Speaker 2: got sixty thousand people. It's multiple choice, it's not that hard.
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Speaker 2: Sixty thousand people are failing it in the last results.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we give our citizenship way too easily.
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Speaker 12: I went to Canada about twenty years ago and they
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Speaker 12: have what they call a citizenship judge, so it's completely
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Speaker 12: independent of local government. It's basically like a Tafe course.
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Speaker 12: You need to be there in Canada for five years,
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Speaker 12: be proficient in English or French, the two languages of Canada,
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Speaker 12: and you actually achieve a technical outcome, an educative outcome,
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Speaker 12: and then you become a citizen. And I actually think
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Speaker 12: we need to do a bit more than just simply
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Speaker 12: a multiple choice question about don Bradman's score.
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Speaker 1: You know, ninety nine point ninety four is average.
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Speaker 12: I mean these sorts of things, you know, I want
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Speaker 12: to know about the two thirds of who.
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Speaker 1: Are able to game the system and get the gig.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 12: I just think we give it away too fast, too
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Speaker 12: three years. I think five years is about right. I
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Speaker 12: think we've just got a simply whole Dear the Australian
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Speaker 12: Citizenship Act and look at a reform that actually beefs
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Speaker 12: up the criteria. And I think the Canadian model is
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Speaker 12: the best piece of comparative public policy. Like us, they
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Speaker 12: have twenty percent of their nation born overseas and have
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Speaker 12: come here in their lifetime. And Australia should be really
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Speaker 12: looking at what Canada has done in this space.
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Speaker 1: It's much better than what we do. We give it away, Peter,
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Speaker 1: and I think we've got to change.
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Speaker 2: That, particularly when we're taking people from countries that do
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Speaker 2: not share our Judaeo Christian.
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Speaker 1: Exactly our values and so you have to be absolutely.
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Speaker 3: But you don't have our values.
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Speaker 2: Can you've just give me an idea for a bit
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Speaker 2: of a research project for my viewers. I might have
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Speaker 2: a look at what they do with some major countries
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Speaker 2: around the world and come back and report.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Caroline, we've already.
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Speaker 2: Picked up you know in the last couple of days
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Speaker 2: that we're absolutely in an election campaign, it's just not
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Speaker 2: formally called. But also how hard labor is going personally
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Speaker 2: against the opposition leader. Now, it didn't work for the
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Speaker 2: Democrats in the United States, I don't think it's going
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Speaker 2: to work here at all, but in.
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Speaker 3: The seat of Dixon. So this is Peter Duton Seed.
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Speaker 2: He's got the same woman going around again running against him.
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Speaker 2: She's been trying to drum up support for a fundraising event,
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Speaker 2: and she's used a whole lot of disparaging nicknames and
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Speaker 2: imagery targeting her rival. Now she's had to pull them back.
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Speaker 2: Her games, her emails have been blasted as distasteful.
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Speaker 3: What else has happened here?
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Speaker 2: I mean this is a part of a labor strategy
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Speaker 2: from the top, that's very clear.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, it's certainly not the first potshot that Labor
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Speaker 7: has taken against Peter Dutton recently. You'll remember the Victorian
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Speaker 7: Labor branch put out this meme of Peter Dutton and
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Speaker 7: his wife under heading You know, this is what you
20:03
Speaker 7: would say to your friends if they don't like your
20:05
Speaker 7: new partner, and it said I'm not a monster. It
20:07
Speaker 7: was from a newspaper cutting a while ago. It was
20:10
Speaker 7: just a really low blow, and even that was criticized
20:14
Speaker 7: by Federal labor at the time. And then we see
20:16
Speaker 7: something like this. I mean, I'm not an overly sensitive person.
20:20
Speaker 7: I don't want to find a fence in everything someone
20:22
Speaker 7: using an image of a potato, But I just think
20:25
Speaker 7: can't help thinking what if the shoe was on the
20:28
Speaker 7: other foot.
20:28
Speaker 3: What if someone was making.
20:29
Speaker 7: Fun of this Ali France, this labor candidate in the
20:35
Speaker 7: seat of Dixon. What if someone was making fun of
20:38
Speaker 7: a female labor candidate somewhere else based on their physical appearance.
20:43
Speaker 7: And Peter dunn't actually suffers from a disease alopecia. I mean,
20:48
Speaker 7: I have a neighbor who has a young daughter child
20:50
Speaker 7: who suffers from that and has lost all her hair.
20:53
Speaker 7: For many people, it is serious and it is something
20:56
Speaker 7: that they wouldn't want to see mocked either. I mean,
20:59
Speaker 7: I remember twenty thirteen when there was a liberal fundraiser
21:03
Speaker 7: and they were mocking Julia Gillard and having items on
21:07
Speaker 7: the menu mocking her physical appearance, small breasts, big thighs.
21:12
Speaker 7: Chicken thighs were on the menu there, and that was
21:15
Speaker 7: roundly criticized by Labor. And yet it seems to be
21:18
Speaker 7: okay when it's a male candidate, well when it's a
21:22
Speaker 7: male opposition leader. And I just think people really detest
21:25
Speaker 7: those double standards. Be consistent, don't be a hypocrite. And
21:30
Speaker 7: I don't think these cheap shots work anyway. And as
21:32
Speaker 7: you're right, they didn't work in the US for Hillary Clinton,
21:36
Speaker 7: they didn't work for Kamala Harris, and they won't work
21:39
Speaker 7: for Labor.
21:39
Speaker 2: Either, Beautifully said Caroline, I leave there, Thank you both
21:44
Speaker 2: for your time. Well, let's move to those reports now
21:46
Speaker 2: that the Australian Oscar Jenkins has been executed by Russian
21:49
Speaker 2: forces after he.
21:51
Speaker 3: Was captured in Ukraine.
21:52
Speaker 2: Now, at this stage, the government has not confirmed Jenkins's death. However,
21:57
Speaker 2: today both the Opposition leader in the PM have warned
21:59
Speaker 2: a strong action if the reports are accurate.
22:03
Speaker 5: If there has been any harm caused to Oscar Jenkins,
22:07
Speaker 5: it's absolutely reprehensible and the Australian government will take the
22:10
Speaker 5: strongest action possible.
22:14
Speaker 2: Similar language too from the Opposition leader joining me. Now,
22:16
Speaker 2: Foreign editor of The Australian newspaper, Greg Sheridan, Well, Greg,
22:20
Speaker 2: great to have you back for twenty twenty five, but
22:22
Speaker 2: no shortage of issues over the summer break. I'm sad
22:25
Speaker 2: to say, particularly globally, I've got to take issue with
22:28
Speaker 2: the PMS record there. It was sprooking his ability to
22:31
Speaker 2: take strong action. We've watched him closely when it comes
22:35
Speaker 2: to Beijing. Is not credible there?
22:39
Speaker 3: Is it credible here or is this just bluster?
22:44
Speaker 9: Well, Peter, it's fabulous to be with you again and
22:48
Speaker 9: great that your program is back. Look, I think the
22:53
Speaker 9: PM broadcast weakness. Sad to say. I mean, I know,
22:57
Speaker 9: I like Albert personally and all the rest of it,
22:59
Speaker 9: but it's not only on China, where he has now
23:04
Speaker 9: decided to cripple the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, which was
23:08
Speaker 9: one of China's fourteen demands. But look at the behavior
23:12
Speaker 9: of the ambassador of Iran, who gets lashed with a
23:16
Speaker 9: feather by the Albanese government for vile, anti Semitic, shocking
23:21
Speaker 9: statements that he makes. I mean, he can say whatever
23:23
Speaker 9: he likes, but he's not entitled to live here. If
23:26
Speaker 9: he does that, the government does nothing because it says
23:29
Speaker 9: it values the dialogue with Iran from which we get
23:32
Speaker 9: absolutely nothing. Now, if it turns out that the Russians
23:35
Speaker 9: have murdered an Australian in custody, the Russian ambassador should
23:39
Speaker 9: be expelled. A few years ago in Prague, I interviewed
23:42
Speaker 9: the Czech Foreign minister, and they had hundreds and hundreds
23:47
Speaker 9: of Russian diplomats in their country, mostly up to espionage
23:51
Speaker 9: and criminal activity and so forth, And in a convulsive episode,
23:56
Speaker 9: they came to the conclusion that Russia could have exactly
24:00
Speaker 9: the same number of diplomats in Prague as they had
24:03
Speaker 9: in Moscow, which was seven. So they went from hundreds
24:06
Speaker 9: of Russian diplomats doing all kinds of stuff to seven. Now,
24:11
Speaker 9: we in this country have way too many Russians, way
24:14
Speaker 9: too many Chinese. God alone knows why the government thinks
24:18
Speaker 9: this is a smart thing to do. I don't mean
24:20
Speaker 9: Chinese citizens, I mean Chinese diplomats. We have way too
24:23
Speaker 9: many official Chinese diplomats and Russian diplomats. I'm only referring
24:27
Speaker 9: to diplomats, not to people of that ethnicity, And so
24:31
Speaker 9: the ambassador should be expelled. If they then expel our ambassador,
24:35
Speaker 9: that's up to them. If they cut off diplomatic relations.
24:38
Speaker 9: That's up to them. But that's the only gesture we
24:42
Speaker 9: can make, and that is the gesture that we should make.
24:48
Speaker 3: Well, let's move to the Middle East.
24:49
Speaker 2: A lot of talk around tonight about a ceasefire ideal,
24:52
Speaker 2: a real prospect. God, we hope it's true that hostages
24:55
Speaker 2: will we return home ahead of next week's in all uration.
24:59
Speaker 3: What can you tell.
25:00
Speaker 9: Us, Well, it is on the brink of happening. I
25:04
Speaker 9: believe it'll be fascinating to look at the fine print.
25:09
Speaker 9: Who do the Israelis have to release to let this happen.
25:12
Speaker 9: I think the Israelis are going to insist that they
25:15
Speaker 9: can still operate in Gaza and that they maintain control
25:19
Speaker 9: of the southern border of Gaza, the so called Philadelphi
25:23
Speaker 9: Corridor between Gaza and Egypt, across which massive weapons smuggling
25:28
Speaker 9: traditionally occurs. There is an element of Netna Who's coalition
25:34
Speaker 9: which doesn't want any deal. But I think they've got
25:36
Speaker 9: to have some deal. Netna, who has turned out to
25:39
Speaker 9: be much stronger and much more effective than we thought
25:42
Speaker 9: he would be. But I'd make one moral point to you, Peter.
25:48
Speaker 9: It's right that all of us care about the innocent
25:51
Speaker 9: Palestinians killed as well as the innocent Israelis. But from
25:55
Speaker 9: day one of this conflict, Humas could have ended the
25:58
Speaker 9: suffering of the Palestinians by releasing the Israeli hostages. So
26:03
Speaker 9: the moral responsibility for the suffering of Palestinians lies entirely
26:09
Speaker 9: with Hummus. I wish the Albanesi government had made that
26:12
Speaker 9: its central point for the last twelve months. US Secretary
26:16
Speaker 9: of State Anthony Blincoln said, those people, those nations who
26:20
Speaker 9: made one sided criticisms of Israel, encouraged Hummus to hold
26:24
Speaker 9: out and not come to a ceasefire, and that of
26:28
Speaker 9: course includes the Albanesi government. But a ceasefire would be
26:34
Speaker 9: a good thing. But the Israelis are going to maintain
26:37
Speaker 9: freedom of operation in Gaza because they're never going to
26:39
Speaker 9: allow October seven to happen again. And in my opinion, Peter,
26:43
Speaker 9: this has come about because of Trump's clarity in saying,
26:47
Speaker 9: if you don't release the hostages, they'll be hell to pay.
26:50
Speaker 9: So Trump has delivered an operational lesson to the Albanesi
26:53
Speaker 9: government of what effective government looks like. He's also delivered
26:56
Speaker 9: a moral lesson. He Trump, with all his wicked and
27:00
Speaker 9: so on understands that the bad guys are the murderous terrorists,
27:05
Speaker 9: and those are the guys that you try to put
27:07
Speaker 9: pressure on.
27:07
Speaker 1: Again.
27:08
Speaker 9: I wish the Albanesi government had absorbed this kind of
27:11
Speaker 9: pretty simple morality.
27:12
Speaker 1: One O one, you wrote.
27:16
Speaker 3: A cracker of a piece to this vein.
27:19
Speaker 2: You know, not as bad as Whitlam, you said, but
27:22
Speaker 2: pretty funny close. Look at next week's inauguration, right, are
27:26
Speaker 2: we missing an opportunity with the new administration by sending
27:30
Speaker 2: two representatives to represent Australia in Penny Wong and Kevin Right,
27:34
Speaker 2: who are so publicly on the record about their disdain
27:39
Speaker 2: for Donald Trump. Why wouldn't we send if the Prime
27:42
Speaker 2: Minister can't do it, at a minimum, the Deputy prime minister.
27:48
Speaker 9: Well, you make a good point, Peter. I mean, the
27:49
Speaker 9: only thing the Deputy Prime Minister seems to do is
27:51
Speaker 9: travel around and do international diplomacy, doesn't deliver anything on defense,
27:56
Speaker 9: So you might have you might have sent him to Washington.
27:59
Speaker 1: To do this.
28:00
Speaker 9: Having said that, I think it's quite proper that the
28:03
Speaker 9: Foreign Minister go. I do think the senior Labour people
28:06
Speaker 9: were very undisciplined and foolish in the things they said
28:09
Speaker 9: about Donald Trump, given that he was president and he
28:12
Speaker 9: was quite likely to be president again. Nonetheless, a lot
28:16
Speaker 9: of people have said hostile things about Donald Trump over
28:18
Speaker 9: the years, including his Vice president JD. Vance, and Trump
28:22
Speaker 9: is quite pragmatic about all that. It's proper that the
28:26
Speaker 9: foreign minister should go. I think Kevin Rudd, I'm in
28:29
Speaker 9: a bit of a minority of conservatives here, but I
28:32
Speaker 9: think he's been doing a very good job in Washington,
28:34
Speaker 9: and it's also quite proper that he should go. But
28:39
Speaker 9: apart from Rudd, no one in the Albaneasy team is
28:43
Speaker 9: doing anything creative or interesting in trying to establish connections
28:48
Speaker 9: with the Trump administration and the Trump camp. And god knows,
28:54
Speaker 9: if we get a minority labor government after the next election,
28:58
Speaker 9: how on earth are they going to relate to a
29:00
Speaker 9: Trump administration. I think the Trump administration is going to
29:03
Speaker 9: be a huge challenge for the Albanesi government, very very
29:07
Speaker 9: difficult on climate policy, the Middle East defense. Our pitiful
29:12
Speaker 9: defense effort will come under more scrutiny under Trump, and
29:18
Speaker 9: I think they should be scrambling on all bases. But
29:20
Speaker 9: I think really the only thing they're thinking about is
29:23
Speaker 9: getting through to the next election with the minimum of fuss.
29:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's clear. That's clear, Greig, thank you all.
29:31
Speaker 2: Right after the break, the landmark report the cart serious
29:34
Speaker 2: down on the efficacy of programs to do radicalize those
29:36
Speaker 2: fixated with Islamic terrorism. So if they're not working, why
29:41
Speaker 2: do we persist spending millions? What's a better way forward?
29:45
Speaker 2: Plus a rugged day for Pete Hesketh, Trump's new defense
29:48
Speaker 2: pick as Democrats get pretty hysterical during his confirmation.
29:52
Speaker 3: Hearing welcome back to the COLN.
29:59
Speaker 2: The one question he was desperate to avoid during his
30:01
Speaker 2: visit to Tasmania today Now he tried hard to dodge it,
30:05
Speaker 2: but it's not going away. But first along said that
30:09
Speaker 2: there's little to no evidence it's so called deradicalization programs
30:13
Speaker 2: actually worked to make the community safer. Well, now there's
30:16
Speaker 2: a landmark report released under FOI that has confirmed that.
30:21
Speaker 2: The report from Australian Institute of Criminology found that programs
30:24
Speaker 2: have failed to change the behavior of high risk individuals,
30:28
Speaker 2: The people involved in the program were still accessing extremist
30:32
Speaker 2: content and that in escalating cases, law enforcement has been
30:36
Speaker 2: needed to be called in. The report does note that
30:39
Speaker 2: quote a small number of clients reported a shift from
30:41
Speaker 2: wanting to die for their beliefs to now believing they
30:44
Speaker 2: had something to live for.
30:46
Speaker 3: Well, that's all good.
30:47
Speaker 2: Well, but given the cost not to mention the seriousness
30:50
Speaker 2: of this, I'd think that a small number is hardly
30:54
Speaker 2: a number of success. Joining me now for his analysis,
30:57
Speaker 2: the director of Strategic Analysis, Peter Jennings, Well, Peter, this report,
31:03
Speaker 2: as I said, it's only come to light because of
31:05
Speaker 2: fi Whites not being released by the authorities. But since
31:09
Speaker 2: it was delivered to the government, there has been funding
31:12
Speaker 2: for deradicalization programs for what's that seven years, twenty eighteen
31:17
Speaker 2: sixty two million dollars. You've got to ask, is this
31:21
Speaker 2: the best use of our money to combat terrorism?
31:25
Speaker 3: If we find with this report it's not.
31:28
Speaker 6: Working, it's clearly not, Peter. I would rather see that
31:34
Speaker 6: money go to stronger frontline policing, more effective legal systems
31:38
Speaker 6: which can actually get people that are charged with crimes
31:42
Speaker 6: into court, perhaps even better ways of vetting individuals who
31:47
Speaker 6: come here and receive visas. There'd be a lot of
31:50
Speaker 6: better ways to spend the money. By definition, people who
31:53
Speaker 6: are high risk are not going to be easy candidates
31:57
Speaker 6: for deradicalization. And I think we need more light shone
32:01
Speaker 6: on this to actually show how is the money being spent,
32:03
Speaker 6: what's it actually being used for. I think a lot
32:06
Speaker 6: of it goes into community relations rather than deradicalization, and
32:11
Speaker 6: this is one area where we've seen very little in
32:14
Speaker 6: the way of positive results in Western democracies going back
32:17
Speaker 6: over ten or fifteen years. So I don't think it's
32:21
Speaker 6: money well spent.
32:24
Speaker 2: Just on that point. You know, we have the evidence.
32:26
Speaker 2: It's not just this report in Australia. I picked up
32:28
Speaker 2: a report a few years ago that was done by
32:30
Speaker 2: the House of Lords. I think it landed in about
32:33
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, and it demonstrated there in the UK it
32:37
Speaker 2: was not working. They had some thirty three different government programs.
32:41
Speaker 2: Ninety five percent the Lords found were ineffective. We know
32:45
Speaker 2: they've obviously had rampant terrorism incidents, particularly in London, so
32:50
Speaker 2: we know it's not working there.
32:51
Speaker 3: We know it's not working here.
32:54
Speaker 2: Well, what's our plan be Australia, Given the risk we've
32:57
Speaker 2: likely just imported here to Australia from Gaza.
33:03
Speaker 6: I'm not sure we even have a plan A, let
33:05
Speaker 6: alone a Plan B. I mean, what we've got is
33:07
Speaker 6: a heavy political overlay across this, which from an ideological
33:12
Speaker 6: perspective says that one isn't allowed to talk about extremist
33:15
Speaker 6: Islam as being the major driver of terrorism risk in
33:19
Speaker 6: Australia today. We've got a policing culture at the moment
33:23
Speaker 6: which doesn't want to pursue hardline policing attempts against people
33:28
Speaker 6: on the streets threatening our Jurish community in particular. So
33:33
Speaker 6: this is an area where I think ideology has gotten
33:36
Speaker 6: in the way of practicality. And when it comes to terrorism,
33:40
Speaker 6: you know, the most important thing is community safety and
33:44
Speaker 6: I think notional ideas of deradicalization should come a long
33:48
Speaker 6: way behind that better.
33:50
Speaker 1: You know.
33:51
Speaker 6: The proof of that is that we've failed in this
33:54
Speaker 6: attempts over a significant number of years. That's why governments
33:58
Speaker 6: of all political persuasions have wanted individuals charged with terrorist
34:02
Speaker 6: crimes to stay in jail. And I think we just
34:05
Speaker 6: have to say that until better methods come along, what's
34:09
Speaker 6: passing for deradicalization in many democracies now is simply not
34:13
Speaker 6: achieving its desired effect.
34:17
Speaker 2: In the last couple of years, you know, there's been
34:19
Speaker 2: reports that we had about seventy eight serious terrorists people
34:24
Speaker 2: that were committed of terror, convicted of terror offenses due
34:26
Speaker 2: to come out of jail. Some will have ongoing monetory,
34:31
Speaker 2: some will not if the programs aren't working. But we're
34:35
Speaker 2: still paying out millions I know from government. A lot
34:39
Speaker 2: of this money goes to Islamic organizations. Now that concerns
34:43
Speaker 2: me that we're paying these bodies and you know, you
34:45
Speaker 2: look at some of these radical mosques. I hope the
34:47
Speaker 2: money is if it's not working to deradicalize people. I
34:51
Speaker 2: hope it's not working the other way given some of
34:54
Speaker 2: the organizations. But with all of that at stake, and
34:58
Speaker 2: as I said, these people coming from Gaza, surely we've
35:01
Speaker 2: got to have a review at audit into what we're doing,
35:04
Speaker 2: what we're spending, and rethink this whole thing.
35:08
Speaker 6: I think that's right, Peter. I mean a lot of
35:10
Speaker 6: that money has gone into what I would describe as
35:12
Speaker 6: community relations. And again there's an ideological disposition to want
35:16
Speaker 6: to see multiculturalism as being the solution to all of
35:19
Speaker 6: Australia's problems. This is not deradicalization that this does not
35:23
Speaker 6: address people that get themselves to that point in their
35:26
Speaker 6: ideological development where they're thinking about the use of extreme force,
35:31
Speaker 6: and so this does need to be reopened. I think
35:35
Speaker 6: we need to ask why we're seeing such soft policing
35:37
Speaker 6: dealing with these issues at the moment. And a lot
35:41
Speaker 6: of money which goes without any clearly defined purpose and
35:44
Speaker 6: no clearly defined results says to me that this is
35:47
Speaker 6: an area that's right for review.
35:52
Speaker 2: And look, I pick this up to borrow and I
35:53
Speaker 2: want to speak to someone from London. But of course
35:55
Speaker 2: they've got a debate over there in the Commons about
35:58
Speaker 2: a definition, a legal definition of Islamophobia. And once you
36:01
Speaker 2: have that definition that they're mooted. The government's mooted there
36:06
Speaker 2: in London on the table.
36:08
Speaker 3: Conversations like we're.
36:09
Speaker 2: Having tonight are basically shut down because we'll be claimed
36:13
Speaker 2: as is Lamophobic for even questioning these d read programs.
36:17
Speaker 3: Hey, just before you go, Donald Trump's.
36:18
Speaker 2: Pick for the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hesketh a big
36:21
Speaker 2: grilling today. I expected theater from the Democrats Shore, but
36:25
Speaker 2: they got pretty hysterical.
36:26
Speaker 3: I'll play a bit of it now for my viewers.
36:29
Speaker 5: Will you resign as Secretary of Defense if you drink
36:33
Speaker 5: on the job, which is a twenty four to seventh position.
36:37
Speaker 13: I've made this commitment on behalf of you.
36:39
Speaker 3: Resign a Secretary of Defense.
36:41
Speaker 13: I've made this commitment on behalf of the men and
36:43
Speaker 13: women I'm servant.
36:44
Speaker 14: Have you led an audit of any organization of which
36:47
Speaker 14: you were in charge?
36:48
Speaker 4: Senator?
36:48
Speaker 13: In both of the organizations Iran, we were always completely
36:52
Speaker 13: fiscally responded or not. I support Israel destroying and killing
36:56
Speaker 13: every last member of hamas well.
37:00
Speaker 3: How did he go?
37:01
Speaker 6: Do you think, Oh, look your pass on party lines, Peter,
37:07
Speaker 6: I mean, how ridiculous that line of questioning, as if
37:10
Speaker 6: no drinking ever happens in the American Senate.
37:13
Speaker 10: What I liked about Hexeth is that.
37:15
Speaker 6: He's got tough ideas about dealing with China. He's focused
37:19
Speaker 6: on wanting to bring a warrior culture back to the Pentagon,
37:22
Speaker 6: not a bad idea for a defense organization. He wants
37:25
Speaker 6: to talk about getting more defense equipment into the hands
37:27
Speaker 6: of the war fighters. Yes, he's had a colorful past life,
37:31
Speaker 6: but that's never been a disbardment from political service in
37:36
Speaker 6: the United States or in Australia. So I think he
37:38
Speaker 6: will now get Senate confirmation, and let's hope he's up
37:42
Speaker 6: to the job, because we certainly need a strong US
37:45
Speaker 6: Secretary of Defense in the world that we're going into.
37:49
Speaker 2: You are not wrong, I tell you, talk about confirmation
37:52
Speaker 2: in the past, Bobby Kennedy wouldn't have got through even
37:55
Speaker 2: under his brother's administration. I tell you if they went
37:57
Speaker 2: through them like a dose assaults like they do to today.
38:00
Speaker 3: Thank you, Peter Jennings, Thanks for your time.
38:02
Speaker 2: Where up the break Ealer Musk Starlink So this is
38:04
Speaker 2: not the bloke of its political views.
38:06
Speaker 3: This is one of his.
38:07
Speaker 2: Businesses is being embraced in rural and regional Australia.
38:10
Speaker 3: So why does labor seem so unhappy about it?
38:13
Speaker 2: Plus Tassi's salmon industry in Limbo' steal the PM dodging
38:17
Speaker 2: questions about its future coming up soon, tell kel Richards
38:24
Speaker 2: to kick off twenty twenty five at first dealer Musk,
38:27
Speaker 2: the satellite internet service he established called Starlink is killing
38:32
Speaker 2: it in regional and rural Australia where there's no viable
38:35
Speaker 2: or fairly priced alternative for residents. But despite that track
38:39
Speaker 2: record in Australia, it's a bit surprised this week to
38:42
Speaker 2: learn it's not being considered by the government. It's part
38:44
Speaker 2: of improving the NBN's reach the Comms Minister Michelle Rowland
38:48
Speaker 2: will She's argued that the government's recent three billion dollar
38:52
Speaker 2: tip in of extra money, it's a what fifty five
38:54
Speaker 2: billion all up now in the NBN. We'll ensure that
38:57
Speaker 2: Australians won't need to use stuff to discuss this.
39:01
Speaker 3: Let's bring in the National Senator from.
39:03
Speaker 2: Queensland, Matt Canavan and the LMPNP Phil Thompson, also from
39:07
Speaker 2: up North Jens welcome. I mean that given all the
39:11
Speaker 2: money we're spending on the NBN, given his track record
39:14
Speaker 2: with starlink, and I don't know anyone in the Bush
39:16
Speaker 2: who doesn't love Starlink would be mad not to have
39:18
Speaker 2: it in the mix.
39:19
Speaker 11: Surely well, I think the show, sir Peter, that your
39:24
Speaker 11: average labor politician doesn't spend much time in the bush,
39:27
Speaker 11: because what you just said is exactly right. A decade ago,
39:31
Speaker 11: one of the biggest political issues in my office was
39:34
Speaker 11: a lack.
39:34
Speaker 10: Of internet in rural and remote areas.
39:36
Speaker 11: People out in farms not far from mining towns couldn't
39:39
Speaker 11: get any internet, it couldn't help their kids get ahead
39:41
Speaker 11: at school. And along came Elon Musk's Starlink and solved
39:45
Speaker 11: the problem, which said bedevil governments for a generation Australia.
39:48
Speaker 11: It's the power of private industry, and now you've got
39:51
Speaker 11: a government that's got it completely about the wrong way.
39:54
Speaker 10: The reason we built the NBN and invest in the NBN.
39:57
Speaker 11: Was because there were legitimate issues that maybe the private
40:00
Speaker 11: sector wouldn't invest in new networks in effectively natural monopoly
40:04
Speaker 11: assets which they couldn't make a profit from.
40:07
Speaker 10: Well, now we do have a.
40:08
Speaker 11: Company that has been able to monetize Internet at least
40:11
Speaker 11: via low earth orbit satellite. So why is the government
40:15
Speaker 11: now trying to override the private market when it's already working.
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Speaker 10: It's just going to waste your money.
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Speaker 11: I mean, who out there thinks that Anthony Albinizi is
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Speaker 11: going to do better business than Elon Musk, the richest
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Speaker 11: man in the world.
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Speaker 10: I mean, maybe Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 11: Has some redeeming features, but I don't think running multi
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Speaker 11: billion dollar businesses is one of them. He should get
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Speaker 11: out of this and not waste our money. In fact,
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Speaker 11: he should be instead trying to partner with Stalink, just
40:39
Speaker 11: as Telstra and Optis are doing. Both of those companies
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Speaker 11: with signed agreements with Starlink over the last year to
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Speaker 11: roll out phone and text now over orbits and so
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Speaker 11: we could see a massive revolution effects every Australian soon
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Speaker 11: where you'll be able to make a phone call everywhere
40:53
Speaker 11: in Australia, everywhere including out the back of Burke thanks
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Speaker 11: to Elon Musk. That's something I don't think the prime
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Speaker 11: ministic can deliver it now.
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Speaker 2: It's the true for service and it's a lot cheaper
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Speaker 2: than the other players in the market certainly has been today.
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Speaker 3: Hey up your way.
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Speaker 2: If I can feel that the one billion dollars punted
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Speaker 2: by taxpayers into this PI quantum computer deal in Queensland,
41:15
Speaker 2: well that's still under review. The new government that's coming
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Speaker 2: there at a state level, Christo Phili's government says we're
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Speaker 2: not so sure we like this. We don't think it's
41:22
Speaker 2: a good idea. Four hundred and seventy million dollars was
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Speaker 2: promised by Labor.
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Speaker 3: It's all under review.
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Speaker 2: But the more you look into this, whether it's this
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Speaker 2: computer project or solar panels or all the other stuff
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Speaker 2: Labour's Future Made in Australia agenda is a colossal waste
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Speaker 2: of money and it's all borrowed money.
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Speaker 3: This is why punters are so angry.
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Speaker 14: Well, Future Made in Silicon Valley if you're looking at
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Speaker 14: the psy quantum. And it's right that the Queensland OLMP
41:54
Speaker 14: government to look into this because when sy Quantum was
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Speaker 14: announced by Hugh Sick, the Labor Minister, we found out
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Speaker 14: that Treasury wasn't aware of it, no one else was
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Speaker 14: aware of it. Then you've got the Future Made in
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Speaker 14: Australia Bill. Have got economists that have been appointed by
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Speaker 14: the Labor Treasurer saying this has a risk of banking
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Speaker 14: businesses reliant on government subsidies which.
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Speaker 3: Can only hurt them.
42:19
Speaker 14: Know this is this is like a labor ploy from wayback.
42:23
Speaker 14: It's borrowed money, it's spend lots, it's you know, the
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Speaker 14: economy is not going well. People are doing it tough,
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Speaker 14: so now they're just going to try and throw money
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Speaker 14: around and in all the wrong places. I don't think
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Speaker 14: it's good policy. I spoke against this policy in Parliament.
42:39
Speaker 14: People in towns and around Queensland have reached out to
42:41
Speaker 14: me going this just doesn't seem right. But at the
42:44
Speaker 14: end of the day, it's not my money, it's not
42:46
Speaker 14: Maddie Canavan's money, it's not the Labor Party's money. It's
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Speaker 14: tax paid dollars. You need to spend it in the
42:51
Speaker 14: right places at the right time to help with the
42:54
Speaker 14: crippling cost of living.
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Speaker 3: Not wrong.
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Speaker 2: The PM was down in tazzy. This is the faux
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Speaker 2: election campaign, the Clayton's election campaign.
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Speaker 3: We're in.
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Speaker 2: He refused again to give any certainty, any real certainty
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Speaker 2: about the future of the salmon industry in that state.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to go through a range of hypotheticals.
43:21
Speaker 5: The Environment Minister has to make a decision when I'm asked,
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Speaker 5: do I support the industry? Yes, I do.
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Speaker 2: Now she's had the report on her desk for months
43:31
Speaker 2: and months and months. She's not making a decision because
43:34
Speaker 2: it'll impact the seat of Lions about five hundred jobs
43:37
Speaker 2: and you know, a broader impact of about four thousand voters.
43:42
Speaker 2: It's a must win seat for labor. I don't think
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Speaker 2: he gets any more dishonest than this.
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Speaker 11: Look Petry sounds as slippery as a freshly caught salmon,
43:52
Speaker 11: doesn't he.
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Speaker 5: There.
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Speaker 11: I mean, if you if your livelihood relied on this industry,
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Speaker 11: I don't think you could take any confidence at the
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Speaker 11: Prime Minister is in your corner. After those sort of
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Speaker 11: weasly comments. I mean it does reflect I think a
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Speaker 11: level of weakness here. We've seen time and time again
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Speaker 11: from the Prime Minister that he does seem reluctant sometimes
44:10
Speaker 11: to put his foot down and tell us what he
44:13
Speaker 11: really wants to do. Obviously, Tanya Plibsek has been running
44:17
Speaker 11: a rogue department over there in the Department Environment, Stopping
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Speaker 11: a billion dollar gold mine because of a story about
44:22
Speaker 11: a mythic will be now putting at risk thousands of
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Speaker 11: jobs in Tasmania which rely on the salmon industry. And
44:30
Speaker 11: where are we going to get out salmon if we
44:31
Speaker 11: shut this industry down, We're all going to be having
44:34
Speaker 11: to eat.
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Speaker 10: It's going to come from the North Atlantic and you know,
44:38
Speaker 10: an import it all. I mean, it's just ridiculous.
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Speaker 11: Why can't the Prime Minister of Australia support an Australian
44:43
Speaker 11: industry and Australian jobs And if he can't, maybe it's
44:47
Speaker 11: trying to be a different person in that role.
44:50
Speaker 2: You're not wrong, hey, this one. I could not believe it.
44:55
Speaker 2: Farmers in New South of Oles praising the Men's government
44:58
Speaker 2: because they've removed some red tape regularlyations that would have
45:01
Speaker 2: stopped a landholder so a farmer from fighting a bush
45:05
Speaker 2: fire on their own property with their own damn water
45:08
Speaker 2: and river water or anything that.
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Speaker 3: Is on their land.
45:11
Speaker 2: Under the old rules, the farmers could have copped a
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Speaker 2: fight more than a million dollars even jail if they
45:18
Speaker 2: used water on their land to fight a fire without
45:23
Speaker 2: government approval. Now, seriously, feel this is the stuff that
45:27
Speaker 2: just makes people so angry.
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Speaker 14: When I heard about this, I had to recheck it
45:33
Speaker 14: because I was like, surely this isn't the thing. Surely
45:36
Speaker 14: there wouldn't be as did I some useless politician or
45:40
Speaker 14: bureaucrap to make a rule or regulation that says no
45:44
Speaker 14: farmer can fight a natural disaster a fire with water
45:48
Speaker 14: on their land. Like that's stupid, Like that is bizarre.
45:51
Speaker 14: And tonight, when you're having your dinner and you're having
45:54
Speaker 14: some steak or you're eating your salad, you should thank
45:58
Speaker 14: a farmer and thanker trucky for delivering it to you.
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Speaker 14: Farmers are the backbone of this nation.
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Speaker 10: We should be supporting them.
46:03
Speaker 14: This is a good change, and it's not often that
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Speaker 14: old I'd say it's that a labor government's done something good.
46:10
Speaker 14: But this is a good move in the right direction,
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Speaker 14: and our farmers should be supported because this is just ridiculous.
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Speaker 14: This is the type of policy that the Australian people
46:19
Speaker 14: want to hold someone accountable to go who made this
46:21
Speaker 14: dumb decision. They should be held accountable. We should get
46:24
Speaker 14: behind our farmers, make sure they're supported, and tonight make
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Speaker 14: sure you thank a farmer.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Phil, you maybe should run a name in Shane
46:32
Speaker 2: page on your website. Stupid government decisions. I don't care
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Speaker 2: if their liberal labor or brindle put them all up there.
46:38
Speaker 3: It's or have a good laugh.
46:41
Speaker 2: Well maybe if you might get chucked out, wouldn't it
46:43
Speaker 2: be a good thing? See you later, Jens, Thanks for
46:46
Speaker 2: your time tonight. All right, we'll leave it their quick break.
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Speaker 2: Kel riches after the break, kicking off twenty twenty five
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Speaker 2: with his words Smith segment, Welcome back John does Wednesdays,
47:01
Speaker 2: Wednesdays today and Wednesdays again this year. The wonderful Kel Richards,
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Speaker 2: I've thoroughly enjoyed. Before we get to words, Kell, I've
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Speaker 2: thoroughly enjoyed you hosting over the summer break.
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Speaker 3: So I am.
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Speaker 2: Personally though happy that you're back on kredline. Words that
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Speaker 2: are a bit relevant for the coming couple of days
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Speaker 2: let's go to inaugurate we Now, of course it'll be
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Speaker 2: a big deal on Monday night, US time when the
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Speaker 2: new president, President elect Donald Trump is inaugurated.
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Speaker 3: Where's the word come from?
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Speaker 15: Ah, Now, I've got to tell you, because I'm excited
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Speaker 15: about this, Peter, I now have a fac similar edition
47:32
Speaker 15: huge fact. Similarly edition of the first edition of doctor
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Speaker 15: Johnson's Great Dictionary of seventeen fifty five massive Thing, two
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Speaker 15: huge volumes, was on the shelves of my great mate,
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Speaker 15: the late Clive Robertson, and passed on to me by
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Speaker 15: his executive Jason Morrison.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful, magical book for us.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that wonderful.
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Speaker 15: It's great, And so I looked up inauguration there. Now,
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Speaker 15: Johnson says, to inaugurator is to begin with good omens. Now,
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Speaker 15: this is really interesting, and he takes that from the
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Speaker 15: source of the word came into English from Latin via French,
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Speaker 15: and the Latin source word orgerrari means to foretell, to
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Speaker 15: prophesy based on signs or omens. They used to look
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Speaker 15: at how birds behaved, at the flights of birds and
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Speaker 15: predictab what would happen. So to begin with good omens.
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Speaker 15: So watch the telecast here on Sky News, watch the
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Speaker 15: inauguration and look for the omens that will tell us
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Speaker 15: what the next four years will be like.
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Speaker 2: All right, excellent, we'll get into that. One of ourt
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Speaker 2: you is Bob wants to know where did the origins
48:32
Speaker 2: of the phrase spitting image come from?
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Speaker 15: Our professor Larry Horn from Yale University linguistics professor has demonstrated,
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Speaker 15: and he's persuaded me. I think it's pretty convincing that
48:43
Speaker 15: originally the expression was spitten image, spi teen spitten as
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Speaker 15: a word spitt an image, and spitten is an old
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Speaker 15: dialectical past participle form of the verb to spit. So
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Speaker 15: he showed that's where it's come from.
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Speaker 9: Spit.
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Speaker 15: Well, the interesting thing is the implication is that A
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Speaker 15: looks as much like b as if I had spat
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Speaker 15: him out of his mouth.
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Speaker 1: It's a fairly.
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Speaker 15: Unpleasant and unhealthy thought, but that's what's behind it.
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Speaker 2: Have we gon another short one? We can do if
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Speaker 2: youre another short one there off the list.
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Speaker 15: Oh, skin off my nose comes from boxing. It was
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Speaker 15: early in the twentieth century, was used by boxers who
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Speaker 15: had not suffered facial injuries in the ring first appeed
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Speaker 15: in Cosmopolitan nineteen ten, but Cosmopolitan doesn't cover a lot
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Speaker 15: of boxing these days.
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Speaker 3: I got some good ones here. We'll get to those
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Speaker 3: ones next week. Cal.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you back as always, Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: I thank you at home too for joining me. Love
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Speaker 2: to have your company as always. Up next to Thandrewbot.
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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow here at six