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Credlin | 6 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krendler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. US stock market termol continues. Fears mounting
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Speaker 2: among investors that the country's headed for recession, but a
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Speaker 2: reprieve for mortgage holders here today in Australia, the RBA
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Speaker 2: keeping the cash rate on hold cuts ahead look unlikely.
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Speaker 2: Business guru Ross Greenwood joins me with more. The new
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Speaker 2: South Wales premier orders all the state's public servants back
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Speaker 2: to their desks, as a Victorian premier refuses to do
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Speaker 2: the same. In fact, Alan now wants Victorians to open
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Speaker 2: their doors to public servants from into state, but in
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Speaker 2: Canberra it's worse because no public servant needs to come.
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Speaker 3: Into the office there at all.
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Speaker 2: Plus tensines grow in the Middle East, with Iran and
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Speaker 2: Israel on the precipice as diplomats work work to avoid
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Speaker 2: all out war.
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Speaker 3: In prooved today that.
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Speaker 2: The Albanezi government should never have reinstated the funding for
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Speaker 2: the UN agency UNRUP, with evidence now linking nine staff
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Speaker 2: to the October seven terror attacks.
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Speaker 4: It's completely an utterly unacceptable that a UN agency would
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Speaker 4: have employees involved in or alleged to have been involved
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Speaker 4: in the October seven tragedy.
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Speaker 2: But first, while in the United States today, Foreign Minister
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Speaker 2: Depending Wong said the Iranian ambassador's call quote to wipe
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Speaker 2: Israel off the map was inflammatory and repugnant.
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Speaker 5: Those comments are inflammatory, and they are repugnant, and they
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Speaker 5: do not represent Australia, that they're inconsistent with Australia's.
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Speaker 3: Values and our views. Yes we have.
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Speaker 5: My department has spoken with the ambassador about these issues
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Speaker 5: and other issues.
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Speaker 2: Not the minister, mind you, you taking the ambassador's task,
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Speaker 2: but her public servants now here in Australia. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister chimed in two.
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Speaker 6: We have called in the Iranian ambassador to the Department
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Speaker 6: of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Is the protocol when something
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Speaker 6: like this happens. There's no place for the sword of
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Speaker 6: comments that were made online in social media by the
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Speaker 6: Iranian ambassador. They're a born and they are hateful, they
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Speaker 6: are any Semitic and they have no place.
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Speaker 2: I bet the Iranian feels like he's been whipped by
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Speaker 2: a wet letters. I mean, how can someone who thinks
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Speaker 2: Israel should be wiped off the map, who refers to
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Speaker 2: Israeli as this quote Zilinist plague remain as a guest
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Speaker 2: in this country. Meanwhile, the Alberanezi government has resumed Australia's
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Speaker 2: twenty million dollars a year funding to UNRA, the United
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Speaker 2: Nations relief and works agency for Palestinian refugees. This aid
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Speaker 2: was briefly suspended after critical accusations that unrastaff were involved
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Speaker 2: in the October seven atrocities, the murder, rape and kidnapp
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Speaker 2: being of nearly fifteen hundred innocent Israeli citizens. But under
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Speaker 2: pressure from people like Tony Burke, whose electorate is twenty
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Speaker 2: five percent Buslim, this funding is again flowing to this
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Speaker 2: heavily compromised body that can only operate in Gaza with
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Speaker 2: the consent of Hamas death culse, of course, a mass
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Speaker 2: pledged to the total destruction of Israel. After the first
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Speaker 2: round of accusations and the funding suspensions, UNRA fired some
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Speaker 2: of its staff, and today the United Nations has officially
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Speaker 2: announced that nine UNRA staff may have been involved, they say,
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Speaker 2: in the October seven atrocities, and they too have been fired.
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Speaker 2: Now presumably the nine staff that have just been fired
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Speaker 2: are in addition to staff dismissed earlier for their involvement
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Speaker 2: in October seven. Now, if it was right for the
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Speaker 2: government to suspend funding on the basis of those claims
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Speaker 2: mere claims back in January, how can the government keep
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Speaker 2: funding UNRA on the basis of today's actual admissions from
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Speaker 2: the UN And how can the government castigate the Iranian
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Speaker 2: ambassador for wanting to destroy Israel? Who's funding UNRA and
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Speaker 2: others are getting there have staff on their books who
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Speaker 2: want to destroy Israel. Not just destroy Israel, but who
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Speaker 2: were actually engaged in a barbaric assault on the country
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Speaker 2: and its people. This is a government that is conflicted,
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Speaker 2: weak and sneaky, conflicted because some of its senior front
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Speaker 2: benches are appeasing local Islamists and a bid to stop
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Speaker 2: them running candidates against them. Even some Labor insiders have
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Speaker 2: reached out to me. They're worried that the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and Tony Burke are on a unity ticket to save
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Speaker 2: Labor seats by trading Palestinian visas for votes. Week I
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Speaker 2: say weak because this government won't take strong measures against anyone.
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Speaker 2: It wouldn't send a frigate to the Red Sea, it
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Speaker 2: won't deport foreign criminals it won't do register the c IFMU,
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Speaker 2: and now I won't stop funding Unrusted despite the United
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Speaker 2: Nations own admission that it's been employing terrorists. And the
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Speaker 2: Albanezi government is sneaky because Wong thinks that she can
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Speaker 2: get away with mere words against the Iranians while continuing
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Speaker 2: to fund the Friends of Hummas. Now all this raises
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Speaker 2: even more concerns about the government's plans not just to
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Speaker 2: admit that other thousand or so Gazans, but to give
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Speaker 2: permanent reds enz to the thirteen hundred who have come
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Speaker 2: here since October seven and the two thousand or so
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Speaker 2: with a visa who still haven't got here yet. This
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Speaker 2: is all despite the fact that we have no diplomatic
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Speaker 2: staff in Gaza, no one to run security checks on any.
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Speaker 3: Of these individuals.
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Speaker 2: As the former asio BOS Dennis Richardson said today, proper
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Speaker 2: security checks are vital before any Palestinians are accepted.
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Speaker 6: Before anyone from that area receives permanent residents there should
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Speaker 6: be proper security checks, most certainly.
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Speaker 7: Here.
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Speaker 3: It's how it works with terrorists.
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Speaker 2: Right now, under bombardment from Israel, Hamas would be desperate
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Speaker 2: to get its key operatives out of Gaza, those that
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Speaker 2: aren't out already and hiding in the region, perhaps even
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Speaker 2: hiding here in Australia. And if we use seeing UNRA
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Speaker 2: to let people come into Australia or to select them,
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Speaker 2: and who else would be using?
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Speaker 3: Who else would we be using.
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Speaker 2: But we'd be working with hamasclumpasses and collaborators. Now, if
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Speaker 2: that's the Palestinian authority, they're not much better. In my view,
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Speaker 2: this looks to me like votes for visas. It is
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Speaker 2: a scandal and it must be exposed. Look, today's decision
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Speaker 2: by the Reserve Bank to keep interest rates on hold
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Speaker 2: is a bit of breathing space for three million plus
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Speaker 2: Australian households with a mortgage have seen repayments increase by
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Speaker 2: around fifteen thousand dollars a year since Labor was elected.
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Speaker 2: But it's more a sign that the economy is fragile
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Speaker 2: than a sign that inflation is under control. The last
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Speaker 2: month monthly figure we've had had inflation ticking up to
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Speaker 2: almost four percent, which is well north of the Reserve
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Speaker 2: Bank's target band of between two and three percent.
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Speaker 3: Last week there.
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Speaker 2: Were fears that today's move could also be up, but
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Speaker 2: that was before the last few days of stock marker
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Speaker 2: turmoil triggered by recession fears in America. Now, as always,
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Speaker 2: the real challenge for governments is to get the fundamentals right,
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Speaker 2: to get their own spending under control, so taxes can
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Speaker 2: be lower and household well being can be greater. To
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Speaker 2: get regulation down so that productivity can improve. But this
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Speaker 2: is a government that's addicted to spending and regulating. At
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Speaker 2: over twenty six percent of GDP, federal spending is two
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Speaker 2: percentage points of GDP higher than the long term average,
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Speaker 2: and with an election looming that's spending on handouts to
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Speaker 2: buy your vote will only increase. Now, does anyone really
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Speaker 2: think the economies in the good hands with someone like
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Speaker 2: the treasurer doctor Jim charm a bok that really likes
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Speaker 2: the doctor and his title, but his PhD was in
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Speaker 2: political science. A feasis on Paul keating the brawler statesman.
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Speaker 2: You only have to ask the question to know the answer.
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Speaker 2: Let's get to camera now with Cam Reddin for the headlines.
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Speaker 4: Relief for mortgage holders. The Reserve Bank holding its nerve
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Speaker 4: and keeping rates steady at four point three five percent,
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Speaker 4: but the governor has ruled out a rate cut anytime soon.
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Speaker 7: What we can say is that a near term reduction
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Speaker 7: in the cash rate doesn't align with the board's current thinking.
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Speaker 4: Michelle Bullock believes Australia will avoid a recession and remains
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Speaker 4: acutely aware of cost of living pressures.
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Speaker 8: It's not just interest rates hurting those people, it's the
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Speaker 8: cost of living.
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Speaker 2: We have made really substantial progress in the fight against inflation.
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Speaker 9: It is clear that inflation is running the economy, not
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Speaker 9: the gun.
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Speaker 4: Australia's spy chief believes social media is supercharging the radicalization
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Speaker 4: of young men and it draws.
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Speaker 8: You to the people, It draws you to that violent
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Speaker 8: the violence which young people get caught on.
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Speaker 4: Azio has lifted the terror threat level from possible to probable.
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Speaker 4: Eight terror plots have been identified in the past four
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Speaker 4: months alone.
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Speaker 10: Too many youngsters are getting caught in rabbit holes of hate.
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Speaker 4: A social media post from Britney Higgins will be added
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Speaker 4: to the statement of claim by Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds,
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Speaker 4: who is suing her former staffer for defamation. The Instagram
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Speaker 4: story shared on Monday showed a book titled how Many
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Speaker 4: More Women, which has been republished to include miss Higgins' story.
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Speaker 4: Lawyers for Senator Reynolds argue Britney Higgins and her partner
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Speaker 4: have orchestrated a campaign to damage her reputation.
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Speaker 11: Strange, isn't it Soon? Senator Reynolds starts her evidence.
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Speaker 4: The former Defense Minister will resume her evidence tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get across all of those heads lines
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Speaker 2: to do that. I'm joined now Moscow New's political reporter
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Speaker 2: cam Reddan and senior fellow at the MENSIS Research Center,
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Speaker 2: Nick cat First up. The Prime Minister has laid the
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Speaker 2: blame for the rise in our terror threat from possible
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Speaker 2: to probable with the Greens after the party accused labor
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Speaker 2: of complicity in genocide in Gaza and encourage protest is
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Speaker 2: to blockade and vandalize the office of MPs.
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Speaker 3: But it didn't stop there. Have a listen.
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Speaker 6: We all have a responsibility in whatever vehicles we are
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Speaker 6: including in the media to make sure that we don't
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Speaker 6: engage in activity design to cause tension, that we're responsible
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Speaker 6: in the way that things are reported. We have empowered
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Speaker 6: the e Safety Commissioner to remove extremist and violent content online.
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Speaker 3: Nick.
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Speaker 2: Lots of blame there from the PM, but much like
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Speaker 2: kiss Starmer's so I'm not in the UK, not addressing
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Speaker 2: the root of the issue here, not addressing the concerns
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Speaker 2: people are really worried about, and a big feature of that,
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Speaker 2: of course is uncontrolled migration and a failure of integration
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Speaker 2: leading to all these sorts of cultural divisions. Instead, he's
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Speaker 2: trying to turn it into a way to restrict free speech.
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Speaker 3: That's my concern.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you're right, Peter.
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Speaker 8: They're not addressing the issue as Starmer is not addressing
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Speaker 8: the real issue here, which is essentially uncontrolled or lightly
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Speaker 8: controlled immigration. The British people are just seething with anger
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Speaker 8: at the fact they've got close to a million people
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Speaker 8: coming in every year. They don't know who these people are,
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Speaker 8: and this is what we're seeing on the streets of
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Speaker 8: Rotherham and Southport and elsewhere in northern England. And you know,
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Speaker 8: as a British person who's followed British politics, I've seen
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Speaker 8: nothing like that in my lifetime. And it's not to
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Speaker 8: justify what's happening, of course, we don't condone the kind
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Speaker 8: of action that some people have been taking, but it
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Speaker 8: does just show that right across Europe, the elites are
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Speaker 8: not addressing the thing that people are most concerned about,
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Speaker 8: which is immigration, which is sovereignty, which is patriotism. That
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Speaker 8: is what divided Europe at the European parliamentary elections, what
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Speaker 8: is divided France in the French elections. It's seemed to
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Speaker 8: the rise of parties like the Somblemon Nationalal in France
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Speaker 8: and the solidity behind parties like Fordez in Hungary, which
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Speaker 8: is probably the country that has the most sensible and
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Speaker 8: strongest policies about immigration. But until the elites, the Transatlantic
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Speaker 8: elite of which unfortunately we got caught up in, addressed
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Speaker 8: this problem, this will not go away and people will
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Speaker 8: continue to be vitally concerned about who is coming to
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Speaker 8: their country and the sword of threat that they bring.
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Speaker 3: Nicks quickly.
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Speaker 2: I mean you've been a visiting scholar on the ground
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Speaker 2: in Europe now for about three months. How prominent and
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Speaker 2: in other countries beyond the UK is the immigration issue.
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Speaker 8: It is the number one issue, Peter. It is the
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Speaker 8: proxy for another issue, which is just patriotism. People want
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Speaker 8: a sense of national identity, a sense of cultural identity,
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Speaker 8: which has been eroded by the European Union's policies, the
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Speaker 8: idea of mass immigration, the idea that diversity in itself
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Speaker 8: is somehow a good thing.
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Speaker 11: People are sick of that, and.
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Speaker 8: That is what the conservative right is coming together over
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Speaker 8: now in Europe with the formation of a new group
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Speaker 8: in the European Parliament Patriots for Europe. They are clearly
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Speaker 8: identifying and articulating. Now that is the issue. It is patriotism.
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Speaker 8: It is support for one's country and the ability to
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Speaker 8: control who comes across your borders. Nobody at the elite
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Speaker 8: level is taking any notice of that, but they're going
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Speaker 8: to have to wake up soon because this pressure won't
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Speaker 8: go away.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go some issues closer to home, he said.
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Speaker 2: Wow's Premier Chris Mint ordered a very swift return to
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Speaker 2: the office for government workers, essentially putting an end to
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Speaker 2: working from home with just one day's notice. He says
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Speaker 2: it'll help the CBD get back.
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Speaker 3: On its feet.
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Speaker 2: At the same time, the Victorian governments using it as
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Speaker 2: a bit of a recruitment drive, saying if you want
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Speaker 2: to work from home, come to the utopia of Victoria. Well,
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Speaker 2: I don't know about utopia, cam, I tell you know.
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Speaker 2: The more I see if Chris Min's, the more that
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Speaker 2: a liberal like me could be tempted to vote for him.
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Speaker 2: Some say this is going to backfire for him because
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Speaker 2: a lot of the departments have downsized, they don't actually
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Speaker 2: have the desk space for these workers. But he's determined
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Speaker 2: to boost productivity, and I say all credit to him.
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Speaker 4: That's the word, Peter. The p word is productivity. There's
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Speaker 4: a real economic reason why the premier wants to get
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Speaker 4: people back to the office because you look at the
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Speaker 4: numbers productivity that's I mean, you particularly break it down
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Speaker 4: to say, the amount of outportal, the amount of work
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Speaker 4: you do in an hour. When everyone got sent home
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Speaker 4: at the beginning of COVID, for the first three months,
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Speaker 4: it'd shot up because people thought, how good is this.
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Speaker 4: I can work from the couch, I can work from
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Speaker 4: the balcony or the backyard. And then everybody did it
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Speaker 4: for a while and productivity went through the floor and
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Speaker 4: it's pretty much stayed that way ever since. So the
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Speaker 4: economic argument does stack up to try and get people
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Speaker 4: back into the office, and it's good for businesses in
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Speaker 4: the CBD too. As an next Sydney sider, I can
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Speaker 4: tell you there's not a great deal of life in
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Speaker 4: the CBD anymore. So I think Peter look there's not
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Speaker 4: a lot of work from home in industries like ours.
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Speaker 4: I would probably have Sky News on at home anyway,
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Speaker 4: but for a lot of people, if you're in any
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Speaker 4: other job, you'd probably have the Olympics on, make a
16:35
Speaker 4: cup of tea every hour. Fridays, I'd work from the pub.
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Speaker 4: So look, I think this sort of thing does make
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Speaker 4: a lot of sense.
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Speaker 2: I might add though, in a camebra you've got some
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Speaker 2: departments Tony Burk's old employment department. Seventy percent of workers
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Speaker 2: work from home, and they're it's in EBAs that they
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Speaker 2: can work from home full time, so five days a week,
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Speaker 2: so that is extraordinary. Let's hope back they have.
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Speaker 3: A wake up in Canberra as well.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Queen's Stephen Miles, a premier up there
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Speaker 2: is attempting to buy off voters. We know with these
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Speaker 2: fifty percent public transport fares. But his latest bit of
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Speaker 2: nonsense it's grabbing headlines today, the premier announcing.
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Speaker 3: Thirty six million dollars to.
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Speaker 2: Buy and run twelve state owned petrol stations. Now it's
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Speaker 2: not backed by modeling or research. Experts say this is
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Speaker 2: a crazy idea. The L and P nick have labeled
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Speaker 2: it the dumbest policy by far from a Queensland premier.
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Speaker 2: Hard to disagree it is Peter Wood.
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Speaker 8: Look, I'm in Tarana, the capital of Albania, which they
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Speaker 8: tried this experiment for more about half a century in
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Speaker 8: which the government owned and ran everything, and it was
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Speaker 8: a disaster. And I reckon if you went and asked
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Speaker 8: people on the streets of Darana what they thought of
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Speaker 8: these policy they think the Queensland have gone completely batting.
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Speaker 8: These things are not done well by government and I
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Speaker 8: would not cannot I can imagine what a state run
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Speaker 8: petrol station will be like. By the way, There'll be
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Speaker 8: a massive long queue, It'll be running out of unleaded
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Speaker 8: fuel every other day and would have too much diesel,
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Speaker 8: and you wouldn't be able to buy all the chocolates
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Speaker 8: and ice cream and everything you want. That's what a
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Speaker 8: state run petrol station would look like. Get It is
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Speaker 8: none of the businesses of the state to do stuff
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Speaker 8: like that and it won't help petrol prices. Add all,
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Speaker 8: the best thing for petrol prices is free market competition.
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the issue of Macarata. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister is still copying a backlash over mixed messaging over
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Speaker 2: the weekend. Aboriginal leaders are warning the Prime Minister he
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Speaker 2: risks misleading the public if he walks away from establishing
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Speaker 2: a Macarata Commission. I might at all the money still
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Speaker 2: in the budget. His public servants down at Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and Cabinet they're still working on it, but he's telling
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Speaker 2: us it's now being shelved. If he wins the election,
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Speaker 2: it will happen, So make no bones about that. But
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Speaker 2: in Queensland there's been a development there about a controversial
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal land transfer. This is in relation to a little town.
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Speaker 2: Basically most of their land will be handed over to
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Speaker 2: a local First Nations corporation.
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Speaker 3: What can you tell us.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you've been on top of this issue
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Speaker 4: for many months now, Peter, as it's developed this land
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Speaker 4: dispute really between the local community, the government also the
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Speaker 4: indigenous groups in the region about the transfer of this land.
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Speaker 4: Some say that as much of ninety percent of the
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Speaker 4: town could be handed over. The council disputes that figure.
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Speaker 4: But this all comes back to the theme. I've just
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Speaker 4: come back from the Garma Festival, Peter in northeast arnham Land,
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Speaker 4: where one of the themes of that festival was about
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Speaker 4: this shared decision making between local indigenous communities, between governments
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Speaker 4: and communities, and if any one of those is left out,
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Speaker 4: that's where things fall apart. You now have, in this
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Speaker 4: case to try and sort it all out. The State
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Speaker 4: Ombudsman has been brought in to go through the paperwork
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Speaker 4: and perhaps be involved in a final decision being. But
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Speaker 4: it kind of comes back to that central point. The
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Speaker 4: community says they weren't consulted on this and now they're
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Speaker 4: rebelling against the decision. I feel that if that is
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Speaker 4: the case, well you should have just gone back and
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Speaker 4: got everyone on the same page and then perhaps you
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Speaker 4: could have worked out a way of getting a solution.
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Speaker 4: But it appears if that hasn't happened here that seems
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Speaker 4: to be the root of where the problems come from.
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Speaker 4: So now the State onbdsman is coming in to try
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Speaker 4: and sort it out, and it looks like it's only
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Speaker 4: going to get messier from here.
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Speaker 2: Peter deals in secret that are done and have a
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Speaker 2: good deals for taxpayers. Let me tell you thank you,
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Speaker 2: agents Cam and Nick. All Right, well, a reprieve of
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Speaker 2: sorts from the RBA today. It's not good news, good
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Speaker 2: news would be a cut. This is a reprieve, it's
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Speaker 2: a break, it's a breathing space for those with a mortgage.
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Speaker 3: Rates on a hold. This is the cash rate at
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Speaker 3: least at four.
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Speaker 2: Point three five percent, But plenty of concern remains. A
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Speaker 2: rise is still on the table, says the Central Bag
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Speaker 2: if inflation remains above the three percent target. For more
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Speaker 2: to a now by our finance and Guru Business editor
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Speaker 2: Ross Greenwood. Well, another big day I went every day
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Speaker 2: at the Moment's a big day for you. Ross, I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you what. Thank you for sticking around. So after
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Speaker 2: the events of the US in the last couple of days,
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Speaker 2: this whole position I think was expected. But the real
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Speaker 2: interest has been in the remarks from the governor, comments
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Speaker 2: made after this decision that she was only looking at
21:23
Speaker 2: a hold or an increase. So she's still very concerned
21:28
Speaker 2: about inflation. Now, back in the early months of the year,
21:31
Speaker 2: we were talking about cuts coming. I don't think we're
21:34
Speaker 2: going to see any cuts for.
21:35
Speaker 11: A while, are we No, we're not.
21:37
Speaker 12: And that's really important that this message you get out
21:40
Speaker 12: there into the community right now. So say, for example,
21:43
Speaker 12: you've got the Commonwealth Bank, the biggest home lender in
21:46
Speaker 12: Australia who've got Westpac right now, both saying that they
21:49
Speaker 12: believe there would be an interest rate cut in November
21:52
Speaker 12: this year. Now, after the announcement was made of this
21:56
Speaker 12: Onhole decision four point thirty five percent, as you say,
22:00
Speaker 12: Michelle Bullock was at pains and several times said, look,
22:05
Speaker 12: I'm not going to give guidance to the market, but
22:07
Speaker 12: here's how it sits from where we sit right now,
22:10
Speaker 12: and that is we do not believe there will be
22:12
Speaker 12: any interst rate cut this year, and indeed we don't
22:15
Speaker 12: see it in the foreseeable future, so almost pushing it
22:18
Speaker 12: out at least six months before there's any conditions the
22:22
Speaker 12: economic conditions would be such that would warrant an interst rate.
22:25
Speaker 11: Cut here in Australia.
22:27
Speaker 12: There's also the other aspect that she said is that
22:29
Speaker 12: in deciding as to which way interest rates should move today,
22:33
Speaker 12: as you point out, it was only two factors that
22:36
Speaker 12: were considered and it was a vigorous debate about this.
22:39
Speaker 12: One was to keep the rates on hold, as they did,
22:42
Speaker 12: and the other was to raise the interest rates.
22:44
Speaker 11: And so really the whole notion.
22:46
Speaker 12: Of an interest rate cut was completely off the table.
22:49
Speaker 12: As it has been in the previous few months. Now,
22:53
Speaker 12: the Reserve Bank also changed its forecast for where it
22:56
Speaker 12: believes the economy and potentially interest rates will go into
22:59
Speaker 12: the future, and effectively it's saying now that Australia's economy
23:03
Speaker 12: will weaken but then will start to become more boosted
23:07
Speaker 12: during the middle of next year, and that presumably is
23:10
Speaker 12: off the back of interst rate cuts at that time,
23:13
Speaker 12: but then also some of the cost of living relief
23:16
Speaker 12: and even some of the other tax cuts that are
23:18
Speaker 12: coming through.
23:19
Speaker 11: From the government right now.
23:20
Speaker 12: But the reality is that, you know, it really is
23:23
Speaker 12: a situation where, given the volatility in the markets, the
23:27
Speaker 12: Reserve Bank didn't have any choice but to sit on
23:30
Speaker 12: its hands today because the grave fear is that if
23:33
Speaker 12: there had been some sort of global recession triggered by
23:36
Speaker 12: these market falls and the US was in some sort
23:39
Speaker 12: of difficulty in terms of its own economy, that there's
23:42
Speaker 12: almost an inevitability in the future that central banks would
23:45
Speaker 12: have to start cutting interest rates, and the Reserve Bank
23:48
Speaker 12: could not be.
23:48
Speaker 11: Held out alone.
23:50
Speaker 12: If that was the situation, it would have to follow
23:53
Speaker 12: suit as well.
23:56
Speaker 2: All of this will be playing into the Labor Party
23:59
Speaker 2: thinking about election campaigns. If the Reserve Bank are saying
24:02
Speaker 2: we were openly talking about an increase, they've given us
24:06
Speaker 2: as a sort of reprieve with a whole position. That's
24:08
Speaker 2: got a factor into whether they go early prior to Christmas. Okay,
24:11
Speaker 2: so they might get a cut, but it's better to
24:14
Speaker 2: go before you get a position where there's a potential increase.
24:17
Speaker 2: And if you look at that graph you had there before,
24:19
Speaker 2: whether you know the best case scenarios are not going
24:22
Speaker 2: to come until the middle of next year, Well, you've
24:24
Speaker 2: got to have an election by May.
24:26
Speaker 3: So this is tough territory for the government.
24:29
Speaker 11: It really is. But I think the message for the government.
24:32
Speaker 12: And remember that Jim Charmers was worried about not only
24:35
Speaker 12: this decision from the Reserve Bank, but also the inflation
24:38
Speaker 12: number that came out last Wednesday, and Michelle will Look
24:41
Speaker 12: today indicated that she was herself concerned about that number
24:45
Speaker 12: because monthly data leading into that had been high, and
24:49
Speaker 12: had it been as high as what many feared, then inevitably.
24:52
Speaker 11: There would have been a rate rise today.
24:54
Speaker 12: Now that's the reason why Jim Chalmers got out and
24:57
Speaker 12: really softened up parts of the media in the pre
25:00
Speaker 12: effectively saying, look, you know, we believe we're on track.
25:04
Speaker 12: We believe that inflation will zigzag, but is on the
25:07
Speaker 12: right path now. Ultimately, as we say, it was a
25:10
Speaker 12: volatility in the global markets that probably you know, cemented
25:14
Speaker 12: in the decision today.
25:15
Speaker 11: But looking out of the future, and I'll give you
25:17
Speaker 11: one little example.
25:18
Speaker 12: Is that there's a great quote that really the Reserve
25:21
Speaker 12: Bank came out with today which I just want to
25:23
Speaker 12: just give it to you because it is really good. Previously,
25:26
Speaker 12: in the June statement, it said inflation is easing, but
25:30
Speaker 12: has been doing so more slowly than previously expected, and
25:34
Speaker 12: it remains too high. This time around, the statement changed
25:38
Speaker 12: and it simply says inflation in underlying terms remains too high.
25:42
Speaker 11: So, in other.
25:42
Speaker 12: Words, it toughened up its language around inflation. It toughened
25:46
Speaker 12: up its language around the prospect for interest rate rises
25:49
Speaker 12: into the future. So you know, this is a central
25:52
Speaker 12: bank that really is saying to the government, as saying
25:55
Speaker 12: to the community again, interest rate cuts are not on
25:58
Speaker 12: the agenda, but be very very careful because we think
26:01
Speaker 12: with the settings as they are now, the prospect for
26:03
Speaker 12: a rate rise is still very much alive.
26:08
Speaker 11: All right.
26:08
Speaker 2: Yesterday with one hundred billion dollars wiped off the ASX.
26:12
Speaker 2: That was pretty much mirrored around the world, particularly the
26:15
Speaker 2: US in Japan obviously, but the epicenter is the US.
26:18
Speaker 2: All this talk about a recession or fear of a recession,
26:22
Speaker 2: which can often be just as bad for markets. Give
26:25
Speaker 2: us your take on where things are headed.
26:27
Speaker 12: Well, where things are headed is incredible. Volatility is likely
26:31
Speaker 12: to keep on coming. That was one number where it
26:33
Speaker 12: showed unemployment rising in the United States, and the fear
26:37
Speaker 12: is the same as here. Lots of people now feeling comfortable.
26:41
Speaker 12: They've got jobs at the ages. People really don't like
26:44
Speaker 12: the fact that interest rates have stat as high as
26:46
Speaker 12: they have. They don't like the fact that their prices
26:49
Speaker 12: have stayed as high as they have.
26:50
Speaker 11: But while they've got jobs.
26:52
Speaker 12: They can and will manage in the main. But the
26:55
Speaker 12: reality is that if interest rates keep rising, or indeed
26:58
Speaker 12: if people start losing jobs, that is a fundamental problem.
27:01
Speaker 12: The reserve banks that have highlighted that. Now, this is
27:03
Speaker 12: the reason why markets really fell apart in the United States,
27:07
Speaker 12: and that was picked up all over the world, including
27:09
Speaker 12: in Asia in particular. But today things calm down, mainly
27:13
Speaker 12: because the US markets were much calmer than anticipated. So
27:17
Speaker 12: overnight they were stronger. Tonight they're going to be stronger again.
27:21
Speaker 12: And the fact is that even though the US markets
27:23
Speaker 12: and NASDAC and the Dale Jones all fell around about
27:26
Speaker 12: three percent, the futures markets pointing forward were better.
27:30
Speaker 11: That brought a sense of.
27:31
Speaker 12: Calm over our market today, which was marginally stronger. It
27:35
Speaker 12: brought a sense of calm over the Asian markets, which
27:38
Speaker 12: rebounded from falls yesterday. And so, as I say, you
27:41
Speaker 12: might think this is a flash in the pan, but
27:43
Speaker 12: it really serves as a reminder of the fragility of
27:46
Speaker 12: economic markets right now.
27:50
Speaker 3: Very comprehensive. Thank you Ross as always after the break.
27:53
Speaker 2: While Labor needs to immediately suspend funding for the UN
27:57
Speaker 2: agency UNRA after the revelations from you win the staff
28:01
Speaker 2: have been linked to the October seven attacks, because why
28:05
Speaker 2: there's nothing run of the meal in the way this
28:07
Speaker 2: Labor government is doling out visas to people leaving Gaza.
28:11
Speaker 2: More on that shortly, welcome back, still the calm. Why
28:18
Speaker 2: does Labor have such a hard time calling out the
28:21
Speaker 2: Islamist terror threat by name, but it's quick to label
28:25
Speaker 2: others as the far right, hoping perhaps to money the
28:28
Speaker 2: Waters with their center right opponents a coalition and it's
28:32
Speaker 2: down to the wire for Kamala Harrison. A VP pick
28:34
Speaker 2: will get you latest out of the US with an
28:37
Speaker 2: announcement expected in hours.
28:39
Speaker 3: But first you.
28:40
Speaker 2: Will recall the countless times on this program I've called
28:43
Speaker 2: into question the Alberdezi government's funding of UNRA, the United
28:47
Speaker 2: Nations Relief and Works Agency. Now with the immediate after
28:50
Speaker 2: Marth of the October seven terror attacks, serious allegations were
28:54
Speaker 2: made that the staff of UNRA were involved in the atrocities.
28:58
Speaker 2: An investigation was launched and the Prime Minister was shamed
29:01
Speaker 2: into palsing Australia's multi million dollar funding of the UN agency.
29:07
Speaker 2: Before the investigation was concluded, though Labor lifted the bar
29:11
Speaker 2: on funding and the millions flowed again. Well, today's sufficient
29:16
Speaker 2: evidence has linked nine UNRA staff with this October seven
29:20
Speaker 2: attacks and that's forced this admission of their involvement by
29:25
Speaker 2: the UN and termination, says the un of their employment.
29:29
Speaker 2: Joined me now to discuss this in more Shadow of
29:31
Speaker 2: Affairs Minister James Patterson, Well, Senator, thank.
29:34
Speaker 3: You for your time.
29:36
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly it was a mistake to reinstate the
29:38
Speaker 2: funding before we even got the results of this investigation clearly.
29:43
Speaker 2: Now the Prime Minister only has one option.
29:47
Speaker 3: Doesn't he.
29:49
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right, Peter. The Prime Minister has nowhere to hide.
29:53
Speaker 1: He was warned that his decision to increase funding for
29:56
Speaker 1: UNRA while it was under investigation for itsployees being complicit
30:01
Speaker 1: in the worst of trusty against the Jewish people since
30:03
Speaker 1: the Holocaust was a massive risk. He was warned that
30:06
Speaker 1: Australian taxpayer dollars could ultimately go to an organization that
30:09
Speaker 1: employs terrorists, and we begged him not to resume that
30:13
Speaker 1: funding because of this risk, but he and the Foreign
30:16
Speaker 1: Minister ignored that advice, ignored those warnings, resumed that funding,
30:19
Speaker 1: and now they are complicit in funding an organization that
30:22
Speaker 1: itself has admitted it employed at least nine people who
30:26
Speaker 1: participated in the seventh of October atrocities. Now that's offensive
30:29
Speaker 1: at any time, but right now, when Australians are struggling
30:33
Speaker 1: with the cost of living, when taxpayers work very hard
30:36
Speaker 1: for their money, I think it will be utterly offensive
30:38
Speaker 1: to most Australians the idea that their hard earned money
30:41
Speaker 1: is being sent to an organization that employs terrorists in Gaza.
30:47
Speaker 2: What was horrific to me James was to learn that
30:50
Speaker 2: these un workers were described as teachers, as social workers,
30:53
Speaker 2: including one who was an Arabic instructor, and he was
30:57
Speaker 2: revealed to be a Hummas military commander that helped slaughter
31:00
Speaker 2: civilians in Kabutzbary. Now for years there's been allegations around UNRA.
31:05
Speaker 2: I think the first time I would have heard about
31:07
Speaker 2: them is fifteen plus years ago, allegations that are facilitated terrorism.
31:11
Speaker 2: I mean, do we need a wholesale ordered into all
31:14
Speaker 2: the funding we provide in this region, because if you
31:16
Speaker 2: can't trust the un who do you trust?
31:21
Speaker 1: I think that's right, Peter. I think we do need
31:23
Speaker 1: to run a very fine comb over every dollar of
31:26
Speaker 1: foreign aid that we send into that region, because it
31:28
Speaker 1: is unconscionable the idea that a single center of Australian
31:32
Speaker 1: taxpayers money would ultimately find its way into the hands
31:35
Speaker 1: of terrorists. And if social workers and teachers working for
31:38
Speaker 1: UNRA are involved in these kinds of atrocities, what about
31:41
Speaker 1: other organizations. I think it's incumbent on the government to
31:44
Speaker 1: find charitable partners to work within the region that can
31:47
Speaker 1: assure them that there is no risk that any of
31:49
Speaker 1: their funds ends up with terrorists, and unless they can
31:52
Speaker 1: provide that guarantee, then we shouldn't be providing funding at
31:55
Speaker 1: such a great risk to our taxpayers.
31:59
Speaker 2: All let's talk about these guards of visas the government's
32:01
Speaker 2: handing out. We've discussed them before, We've discussed the fact
32:05
Speaker 2: that some are being improved in under twenty four hours,
32:07
Speaker 2: no Australian officials on the ground to handle security checks.
32:11
Speaker 3: We learn on.
32:12
Speaker 2: Friday that Laby's got a secret plan to make these
32:14
Speaker 2: temporary visas now permanent. If we're not checking these people,
32:19
Speaker 2: James thoroughly, it'd be madness to give them a pathway
32:23
Speaker 2: to citizenship when we've seen in recent months just how
32:26
Speaker 2: hard it is to remove citizenship from someone if there's
32:29
Speaker 2: a problem down the track. Why don't we just roll
32:32
Speaker 2: over the current temporary visas? Why make them permanent?
32:38
Speaker 5: That's right.
32:38
Speaker 1: Peter Tony Burk is off to a very bad start
32:41
Speaker 1: in the portfolio. And if one of his first major
32:44
Speaker 1: policy initiatives is to grant permanent protection visas to people
32:48
Speaker 1: who we can't be assured do not pose a risk
32:50
Speaker 1: of the Australian community, that I think he'll be very
32:52
Speaker 1: harshly judged for his second stint in this portfolio after
32:55
Speaker 1: his spectacular failure the first time he was appointed to
32:58
Speaker 1: this portfolio. It is that granting a visa to someone
33:01
Speaker 1: who is leaving a war zone control by a terrorist
33:04
Speaker 1: organization with twenty four hours or less consideration is a
33:08
Speaker 1: major risk to the Australian public.
33:09
Speaker 11: It is not adequate.
33:11
Speaker 1: Tony Burke was out on Sunday saying, well, if we
33:13
Speaker 1: grant them these more permanent visas to stay in Australia,
33:15
Speaker 1: will do further security checks. Well, why would any further
33:18
Speaker 1: security checks be necessary if adequate security checks were granted
33:22
Speaker 1: in the first place. And why were they ever given
33:25
Speaker 1: a temporary visitor visa a tourist visa to come to
33:28
Speaker 1: our country if they never had the intention of ever
33:30
Speaker 1: returning to Gaza in the first place. That the tough
33:33
Speaker 1: scrutiny should have happened before they came to Australia, not
33:36
Speaker 1: once they're here.
33:39
Speaker 2: James, you and I both know that one of the
33:40
Speaker 2: first things the terror group does is try and get
33:42
Speaker 2: its best operatives, its bomb make is its strategists out
33:46
Speaker 2: of the zone so that they survive to kill a name. Again,
33:51
Speaker 2: we're not checking, as I say, the security credentials of
33:54
Speaker 2: these people very well, there's concern about their bona fides
33:57
Speaker 2: that they're even traveling on the right name, coming with
34:00
Speaker 2: papers from the Palestinian authority.
34:02
Speaker 3: I mean, give me a break.
34:04
Speaker 2: Once they are here, we lose We lose them in
34:07
Speaker 2: the community very rapidly. This is a massive risk to Australians.
34:15
Speaker 5: Well, that's right.
34:16
Speaker 1: And even if not a single terrorist makes their way
34:19
Speaker 1: as part of this cohort into our country, you can
34:21
Speaker 1: bet your bottom dollar that there will be many supporters
34:24
Speaker 1: of Hermas within this cohort. Your colleagues sho marks and
34:27
Speaker 1: identified at least one through a desktop social media search
34:30
Speaker 1: when these visas were first granted. If she can find one,
34:33
Speaker 1: I bet there's many in there. And after the surge
34:36
Speaker 1: in antisemitism since the seventh of October in our country,
34:39
Speaker 1: the damage to social cohesion that has been done, do
34:42
Speaker 1: we really think it's a good idea to bring any
34:44
Speaker 1: more supporters of Harmas to Australia and to allow them
34:46
Speaker 1: to stay on a permanent basis. Frankly, I don't think so,
34:49
Speaker 1: and I don't think Australian people would agree aither.
34:53
Speaker 3: James.
34:54
Speaker 2: I've guarded the Home Affairs portfolio. They're throwing the security
34:57
Speaker 2: chiefs out of the National Security Committee, sack the head
35:00
Speaker 2: of the Home Affairs Department. They've got this gaping hole.
35:04
Speaker 2: I would argue here on the security of visas. You
35:07
Speaker 2: make the point even if they're not terrorists in Australia,
35:09
Speaker 2: they could well be sympathizers. They could also be fundraisers
35:13
Speaker 2: for her Musk. That has happened before. Money left Australia
35:16
Speaker 2: for Islamic State. Young people here were radicalized. I mean,
35:21
Speaker 2: this is cac handed management by labor.
35:27
Speaker 1: Look, let me add one more to that list, Peter.
35:29
Speaker 1: We have supporters of her Mass in Australia openly wearing
35:32
Speaker 1: their logos and their symbols on the streets of Melbourne
35:35
Speaker 1: and Sydney, including the logo of the al Cacan Brigades
35:38
Speaker 1: of Her Mask, which is the militant wing of the organization,
35:41
Speaker 1: in defiance of the hate Symbols legislation that the Parliament
35:44
Speaker 1: passed unanimously earlier this year, and no one has been prosecuted,
35:48
Speaker 1: no one has been charged, no one has been arrested.
35:51
Speaker 1: What on earth is the government and the Prime minster
35:53
Speaker 1: doing in showing this tolerance in allowing this behavior to
35:56
Speaker 1: Festa and how is that building a stronger and more
35:58
Speaker 1: cohesive Australia. Frankly, I don't think we can afford three
36:02
Speaker 1: more years like the last two. Does any Australian feel
36:04
Speaker 1: safer than they were two years ago? I doubt it.
36:08
Speaker 2: James Patterson, I called this visa visas for votes. If
36:12
Speaker 2: I'm really honest, Tony Burke, and certainly I've got to
36:15
Speaker 2: steer from Labour people yesterday that his big motivation is
36:18
Speaker 2: holding on to Watson and he's got license from others
36:23
Speaker 2: in the Labor strategy team to go out there and
36:25
Speaker 2: try and win back the Muslim community. This seemed to
36:29
Speaker 2: me to be an election ploy. Am I too cynical?
36:35
Speaker 3: Well?
36:35
Speaker 1: The Prime Minister certainly didn't appoint Tony Burke because of
36:38
Speaker 1: his great success in the portfolio last time and the
36:40
Speaker 1: supplot person who in just eighty days as minister allowed
36:43
Speaker 1: eighty three votes carrying six six hundred and thirty four
36:46
Speaker 1: people into our country. So that's not the reason why
36:48
Speaker 1: he was appointed. I think the reason, the only reason
36:51
Speaker 1: we can point to is the enormous political pressure that
36:54
Speaker 1: the Labor Party is facing in southwestern Sydney. From the
36:57
Speaker 1: Muslim Votes Matters group and others, And let's be honest.
37:00
Speaker 1: Tony Burke considers himself a future leader of the Labor Party.
37:03
Speaker 1: Now that might be hard for you to see, Peter,
37:05
Speaker 1: and for me to see, but that's what he believes.
37:07
Speaker 1: There's no way he's taking any risks with his political future,
37:10
Speaker 1: and if ever forced to choose between the national interest
37:12
Speaker 1: and keeping his seat, I'm pretty sure which choice he's
37:15
Speaker 1: going to make.
37:18
Speaker 3: Thank you for your.
37:18
Speaker 2: Plane, speaking, James Patterson for it. After break, Chris Juelman
37:22
Speaker 2: back on deck. If Mistid, haven't we great having back?
37:24
Speaker 2: We'll get his take on the weasel words that are
37:26
Speaker 2: around when it comes to something as serious as terrorism.
37:29
Speaker 2: Plus a bit later we'll have a look at the
37:31
Speaker 2: contenders to be the running mate of Kamala Harris, A decision,
37:35
Speaker 2: as I said, expectant within ours. We'lcome back in the
37:42
Speaker 2: Middle East tonight on a knife sedge. We'll have a
37:45
Speaker 2: look at what retaliation might occur from Iran against Israel.
37:50
Speaker 2: But first, how can we be serious about combating the
37:53
Speaker 2: rising threat of terrorism in this country if we can't
37:56
Speaker 2: even be honest about the type of threat we face. Yesterday,
38:00
Speaker 2: as e oboss Mike Mergess raised Australia's domestic threat level
38:04
Speaker 2: from possible to probable. But there are a lot of
38:07
Speaker 2: weasel words from the government and around adequately describing.
38:11
Speaker 3: The nature of the threats we face.
38:13
Speaker 2: Despite obvious tensions since October seven, including a knife attack
38:17
Speaker 2: in a city church and the rest of terror suspects,
38:20
Speaker 2: politicians seemed loath to call out Islamist terrorism, even religiously
38:26
Speaker 2: motivated terror, or that phrase seems too hard instead is
38:30
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan pointed out in The Australium in his column
38:33
Speaker 2: today that we get a whole of nebulous terms like
38:37
Speaker 2: politically motivated violence, which could literally describe anything. Joined me
38:43
Speaker 2: now very happy his backsky is contributor Chris Yellmann. Well, Chris,
38:47
Speaker 2: we are still despite your break. You haven't come back
38:50
Speaker 2: at better times. We are still in troubled terms these
38:53
Speaker 2: discussions about terrorism and all the risks we face, the
38:57
Speaker 2: debate of the UK about what is driving people to
39:01
Speaker 2: write in the streets at the divisions in the community
39:04
Speaker 2: that are decades old. Don't we have to be honest
39:08
Speaker 2: when it comes to discussing this and understanding then why
39:13
Speaker 2: some people are motivated to try and kill others.
39:19
Speaker 9: I think we do, Peter, and to give Mike Burgess
39:22
Speaker 9: his due, and I am a great respector of the
39:24
Speaker 9: man and I'm glad that he's been reappointed. He's been
39:26
Speaker 9: very clear about this in the past and has said
39:28
Speaker 9: an Estimates Committee earlier this year he said that seventy
39:31
Speaker 9: percent of the investigations were on religiously motivated terror and
39:35
Speaker 9: that Sunni extremism was the major concern in the security space.
39:39
Speaker 9: So I think he's been quite clear about that in
39:42
Speaker 9: the past. I have actually asked as to explain this
39:45
Speaker 9: year why it was that they're starting use terms like
39:48
Speaker 9: politically motivated terror and religiously motivated terror. And their argument
39:52
Speaker 9: is that the base of concern has broadened quite a
39:56
Speaker 9: bit in recent times and they point, by the way
39:58
Speaker 9: to the shootings in Queensland, which was it terror shooting
40:01
Speaker 9: in their estimation was done by Christians. So I do
40:04
Speaker 9: understand why they are broadening the base and why they're
40:07
Speaker 9: bringing in new terms. And now it seems that concerns
40:10
Speaker 9: are on all fronts. But I don't think you should
40:12
Speaker 9: hide from the fact that when it comes to the
40:14
Speaker 9: major concern that Australia has about the kind of terrorism
40:17
Speaker 9: which would result in mass killings is Sunni extremism, and
40:22
Speaker 9: then you can say, but by the way, there are
40:24
Speaker 9: a whole lot of other areas that we're concerned about
40:26
Speaker 9: as well.
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Speaker 2: What about the discussion I just had with James Patterson
40:33
Speaker 2: about this move by Labor to grant permanency to a
40:39
Speaker 2: couple of thousand visas that are granted on a temporary
40:42
Speaker 2: basis for people out of Gaza, when we know in
40:45
Speaker 2: the government means they're unable to security check visa holders
40:49
Speaker 2: as they should.
40:52
Speaker 9: And I think we've talked about this before, is that
40:54
Speaker 9: the Labor Party finds itself an extremely difficult position because
40:58
Speaker 9: of its own base, because of its own membership, which
41:01
Speaker 9: now is largely pro Palestinian. I think there's been a
41:04
Speaker 9: big change over time when we've seen, of course, since
41:07
Speaker 9: when I was growing up, back in the nineteen sixties
41:09
Speaker 9: and seventies, there was no bigger supporter of the State
41:11
Speaker 9: of Israel than Labor. Labor Party's history, in fact, is
41:14
Speaker 9: that it was the party of government at the time
41:17
Speaker 9: that Israel was established as a state, and Doc Everittt
41:20
Speaker 9: was the person who shepherded that through the General Assembly.
41:23
Speaker 9: Labor parties to be very very proud of that. Now
41:26
Speaker 9: they appear to be ashamed of their past and are
41:29
Speaker 9: very concerned about a couple of things. It's the rise
41:31
Speaker 9: of the Greens which is pushing them to this position,
41:33
Speaker 9: and also its own base, and also i'd say too
41:36
Speaker 9: it's probably its own caucus now is very pro Palestine.
41:38
Speaker 9: So we've seen a significant shift. So there's a difficulty
41:42
Speaker 9: for it on that front. And then there's a difficulty
41:44
Speaker 9: in the streets of western Sydney where they see a
41:47
Speaker 9: rise of the number of Muslims that are voting and
41:51
Speaker 9: maywell vote on this issue. So I think that you
41:54
Speaker 9: look to that as a cause as to why it
41:56
Speaker 9: would be that we're seeing some of those decisions.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to me about the UK and what you're
42:03
Speaker 2: seeing with these riots. You know, obviously it's the far right.
42:09
Speaker 2: I do make the point that they're very happy you
42:11
Speaker 2: use the term far right, particularly if you're a politician
42:14
Speaker 2: on the left, because that smears anyone who's on the
42:16
Speaker 2: right of politics, including the center right. But they're a
42:19
Speaker 2: bit squeamish about Islamism. How do you see this, particularly
42:24
Speaker 2: with concern for some time there about legal and illegal
42:28
Speaker 2: rates of migration.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think your conversation with Nick Caten nailed it.
42:34
Speaker 9: It is that there has been a concern for a
42:36
Speaker 9: long period of time among the populace about mass immigration
42:39
Speaker 9: and the way that's changing their community is the way
42:41
Speaker 9: that it threatens some people's jobs. It's been dismissed by
42:45
Speaker 9: the people running the countries because they don't live in
42:47
Speaker 9: the front line suburbs. They don't see how this bounces.
42:49
Speaker 9: They aren't not in the western suburbs of Sydney and
42:51
Speaker 9: see how communities change. And that doesn't mean that Australians
42:54
Speaker 9: are essentially racist or that Brits are essentially racist. It
42:56
Speaker 9: just means their communities have changed really rapidly in their
42:59
Speaker 9: life lifetimes and they see now a group of people
43:02
Speaker 9: in their community who they don't believe ascribe to the
43:05
Speaker 9: same values as they do. They are patriots and they
43:07
Speaker 9: are concerned.
43:08
Speaker 3: Now.
43:08
Speaker 9: That does not ever condone any violence at all against
43:13
Speaker 9: other communities or specifically against the police that we've seen
43:16
Speaker 9: in the United Kingdom, and that is a right wing
43:19
Speaker 9: movement that we're seeing on the rise. But Peter, we
43:22
Speaker 9: have to ask the question as to where did this
43:23
Speaker 9: come from? Where does this rage originate. Now, there is
43:27
Speaker 9: undoubtedly in some of these communities an element of racism
43:30
Speaker 9: in that, but there's a larger group of people who
43:32
Speaker 9: have been concerned about what's happening to their society and
43:35
Speaker 9: they feel frustrated because no one ever actually listens to
43:38
Speaker 9: their concerns and nothing ever actually changes. So unless the
43:43
Speaker 9: people who are running countries start to get the message
43:46
Speaker 9: that there is a real and present danger in the
43:49
Speaker 9: policy settings that they've put in place, which is driving
43:52
Speaker 9: some people to these extreme positions, then there'll be no
43:55
Speaker 9: cure for it.
43:58
Speaker 2: There's a really interesting piece written by your colleague at
44:01
Speaker 2: The Australian, Adam Crichton, about this the dislocation between governing
44:05
Speaker 2: elites here and around the world, particularly in Western democracies,
44:10
Speaker 2: and the people who have to live under that rule,
44:12
Speaker 2: and that disconnect, he argues, is starting to break democracies
44:16
Speaker 2: and it's seeing a big emergence of fringe parties on
44:20
Speaker 2: the left on the right which are undermining democracy.
44:25
Speaker 11: Yeah.
44:25
Speaker 9: Well, as you've a bit a way, and as you
44:27
Speaker 9: point out, I've come from Europe and you can see
44:29
Speaker 9: the brittleness across all of these societies in the European
44:34
Speaker 9: Union and of course in the UK case now outside it. Yeah,
44:38
Speaker 9: we've seen some far right extremism in the UK, but
44:41
Speaker 9: we've seen far left extremism as well. And one thing
44:43
Speaker 9: I'll say to you, Peter is going around a whole
44:45
Speaker 9: bunch of cities, Prague and Vienna and the northern parts
44:49
Speaker 9: and cities of Rome. One thing I can tell you
44:51
Speaker 9: when you're going through those cities that you see is
44:54
Speaker 9: the police fans outside the synagogues. Because the main threat
44:57
Speaker 9: of violence in Europe now to a particular communit is
45:00
Speaker 9: the threat of violence by prost Palestinian groups towards the
45:03
Speaker 9: Jewish community. And we're seeing again the rise of something
45:06
Speaker 9: that you and I would never have believed that we
45:08
Speaker 9: would see, is the anti Semitism in Europe. So that
45:13
Speaker 9: I think is one of the principal concerns of communities
45:16
Speaker 9: in Europe at the moment. And it's a testitude by
45:18
Speaker 9: the fact that there are police on the streets outside synagogues,
45:22
Speaker 9: and I think that is a terribly sad sign.
45:26
Speaker 3: Great tavyback Chris.
45:27
Speaker 2: See next week, right after Brave, we get into the
45:30
Speaker 2: whole Democrat running mate for Harris, and we'll also look
45:33
Speaker 2: at Iran and what retaliation against Israel might look like.
45:43
Speaker 3: Well.
45:43
Speaker 2: Tonight, the Middle East is on a precipice, with US
45:45
Speaker 2: intelligence warning that Iran's planning an imminent strike on Israel
45:50
Speaker 2: in retaliation for the killing of the Hamas political chief
45:52
Speaker 2: last week. The Israeli Prime Minister has been advised by
45:56
Speaker 2: his military to launch a preemptive strike on Hiszbollah, and
46:00
Speaker 2: adding to the tensions, US personnel have also been reportedly
46:04
Speaker 2: injured in a rocket strike on a base in Iraq.
46:07
Speaker 2: Michael Danby joins me, Now, of course, Labor and Pal
46:10
Speaker 2: former Labor and Pin and Kosha garda Skin News contributor,
46:13
Speaker 2: this is serious. I know things have been simmering and
46:16
Speaker 2: tensions have been there for some time.
46:18
Speaker 3: But this is very serious.
46:20
Speaker 2: What's your read on the Middle Est of the moment tonight?
46:22
Speaker 10: Iran's bossing around its proxies makes it clear that this
46:26
Speaker 10: is a regional conflict, not just simply a human drama
46:28
Speaker 10: in Gaza. If the Iranian shoot more than three hundred
46:32
Speaker 10: missiles directly like they did last time, this will cause
46:37
Speaker 10: some breakthrough damage to Israeli infrastructure and civilians. And then
46:42
Speaker 10: and then the Americans and the Israelis may act together
46:46
Speaker 10: in a counter strike against Iran, and that will be
46:48
Speaker 10: the big news. General Carilla wants to sink the spy
46:52
Speaker 10: ship that's vectoring the missiles, the Hooty missiles onto shipping
46:55
Speaker 10: in the Red Sea, and the sewers canal President Reagan
47:00
Speaker 10: hit Iranian naval infrastructure all along the Iranian coast. If
47:04
Speaker 10: they were to do some of those things in a
47:06
Speaker 10: counter strike, this would hose down the whole situation. As
47:10
Speaker 10: General Keane says, you need to escalate to de escalate,
47:14
Speaker 10: and you.
47:15
Speaker 2: Also acquire a president with a bit of strength. And
47:17
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got all those usual question marks about
47:20
Speaker 2: the current incumbent. Talk to me about his contender because
47:23
Speaker 2: we were just talking in the break or tell people
47:25
Speaker 2: at home. Is just extraordinary that she's not had an
47:28
Speaker 2: interview since Kamala Harris has emerged as the lead candidate.
47:32
Speaker 2: She will announce her VP within hours. It'll be done
47:35
Speaker 2: by social media. I'm interested on you'll take on this
47:39
Speaker 2: media strategy the way that she's just getting away with it.
47:42
Speaker 2: But two, I mean there's a number of people in
47:44
Speaker 2: the mix. I love the idea of the astronaut Kelly
47:48
Speaker 2: because I think his military background and his really interesting
47:52
Speaker 2: backstory with his wife adds color to her and he's
47:56
Speaker 2: a good performer. But there's others like Shapiro who she
47:59
Speaker 2: might need for swing state demographic.
48:02
Speaker 3: What's your rate?
48:03
Speaker 7: So Mark Kelly is a great all American story for
48:06
Speaker 7: all the reasons you mentioned. Everybody loves ex military astronaut
48:09
Speaker 7: husband Gabby Gifford's who survived that mass shooting. Yet he
48:13
Speaker 7: is a moderate, he's not super anti Second amendments. He
48:16
Speaker 7: sort of has it all. He's not from one of
48:19
Speaker 7: the swing states. There's been a couple of issues surfaced
48:22
Speaker 7: with him where he has some ties with China in
48:25
Speaker 7: terms of investments he's taken that people think could be
48:27
Speaker 7: problematic politically.
48:29
Speaker 3: There was a.
48:29
Speaker 7: First wife before Gaby Gifford's where there was a little
48:32
Speaker 7: bit of an ugly divorce. You know, these things shouldn't matter,
48:34
Speaker 7: but they do. And the problem is we only have
48:37
Speaker 7: ninety days. So none of these people, including a vice
48:40
Speaker 7: president Harris Frankly, had been vetted with the full rigor
48:42
Speaker 7: of a long campaign. So you just kind of want
48:44
Speaker 7: to avoid those land mines as much as you can.
48:46
Speaker 7: Smart money seems to be Josh Shapiro, Governor of Pennsylvania,
48:50
Speaker 7: The Keystone.
48:50
Speaker 2: State has the Jewish question on Shapiro that are going
48:53
Speaker 2: to apply out with.
48:54
Speaker 10: The christ Muhamma swing of the Democratic Party.
48:57
Speaker 7: That is the issue, and I think that is actually
48:59
Speaker 7: the biggest test it. So smart money is that it's
49:01
Speaker 7: going to be him, and people in his world are
49:02
Speaker 7: signaling that if she doesn't pick him, and we'll find
49:05
Speaker 7: out imminently, it will be very telling of basically what
49:08
Speaker 7: her candidacy and her presidency if she were to win,
49:10
Speaker 7: is going to look like relative to the far left
49:13
Speaker 7: of her base, because they don't You're right, Michael don't
49:15
Speaker 7: like that about him. A paper he wrote in college
49:18
Speaker 7: when he was twenty is coming out and it was
49:19
Speaker 7: pro Israel, and people are you know, poking holes of that.
49:22
Speaker 7: And does he win Pennsylvania but lose Michigan where there's
49:25
Speaker 7: a big Muslim contingent.
49:26
Speaker 10: What it's called fairy electoral votes. So it's more important
49:29
Speaker 10: than Michigan in my view. And he's a centrist Petty,
49:31
Speaker 10: I think you'd like him because he's in favor of
49:33
Speaker 10: school vouches. So there are a lot of reasons for
49:38
Speaker 10: the Hamas branch of the or flank of the Democrats.
49:43
Speaker 2: Not big above it I just quickly, how does she
49:45
Speaker 2: get away with not having an interview?
49:46
Speaker 7: You know, it's smart strategy because she's been installed, never
49:50
Speaker 7: having won a vote, never done a caucus, a competitive
49:52
Speaker 7: process of primary ninety days, so she can kind of
49:55
Speaker 7: run out the clock, and a very favorable mainstream media.
49:57
Speaker 7: So if I were her, I would kind of run
49:59
Speaker 7: the same strategy. The only thing that's going to force
50:01
Speaker 7: her to do it would be something like a debate
50:03
Speaker 7: where it's unfiltered, you live straight to the people, or
50:06
Speaker 7: a big event and the world is on fire a
50:08
Speaker 7: little bit between the stock market and the war. So
50:10
Speaker 7: if something like that happens that would force her to
50:12
Speaker 7: speak to the American people, then are you'll see more
50:14
Speaker 7: of her, And.
50:15
Speaker 2: Of course the people who have been running the White
50:17
Speaker 2: House under Joe Biden, we'll get to run it under
50:19
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris if she wins, or that's if you bay
50:21
Speaker 2: say tomorrow nine at six, he's Erbault