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The Late Debate | 25 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, well the Late Debase. Great to have your
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  Speaker 1: company on the Late Debate. I'm James MacPerson with Denika
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  Speaker 1: to Georgio and cayleb Bond. How was your weekend Caleb?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, fantastic. Didn't do very much. It was you know,
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  Speaker 2: a cold and rainy in Sydney, but just one of
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  Speaker 2: those weekends to anker down, get some stuff done around
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  Speaker 2: the house and you know, have a bit of wine and.
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  Speaker 1: Just relax, Deneka or anything exciting happened.
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  Speaker 3: No, I had a very chill weekend as well. It
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  Speaker 3: was nice, yeah, because the weather was awful.
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  Speaker 1: So well, well, the highlight for me was my football
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  Speaker 1: team finally one again. I know, Hengar staged a massive comeback.
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  Speaker 1: There was much shouting, even maybe a hint of a
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  Speaker 1: tier in our watching the football, Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: Did you watch the Collingwood match as well? Collingwood West
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  Speaker 2: Coast course, Pendlebrey's four hundred and you know thirty third.
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  Speaker 1: What I watched was they had Pendlebury cam, so I
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  Speaker 1: had a camera dedicated to Scott Pendlebury for the entire game.
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  Speaker 2: You watch the Pendles cam.
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  Speaker 1: I watched for fifteen minutes. He was sitting on the
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  Speaker 1: bench the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's great to watch, isn't it. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: say West Coast actually gave Collingwood a run for their
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  Speaker 2: money too. Could have been a boil over there, but
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  Speaker 2: you know the fairy tail in the end.
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  Speaker 3: It's team I know they gave it a fair crack
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, Enough football talk, here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: The Victorian Premier is door knocking constituents in a bid
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  Speaker 1: to retain her seat of Bendigo. Unfortunately for Justinta Allen,
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  Speaker 1: some residents seem to regard a visit from the premier
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  Speaker 1: in the same way they regard a visit to the
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  Speaker 1: dentist for a root canal. We'll show you vision later.
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  Speaker 1: There's fears that classic Ossie insults are disappearing. Can we
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  Speaker 1: still call Caleb a drongo? Can we call Danika a galah?
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  Speaker 1: Or have we forgotten the art of the Great Australian sledge?
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  Speaker 1: And new data shows the financial sacrifices that grandparents are
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  Speaker 1: making on behalf of their grandchildren. Is it simply what
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  Speaker 1: families do? Or should Nana and Pop be compensated by
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  Speaker 1: the government. We'll get to all of that shortly, but
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  Speaker 1: first to cull or not to cull. That's the question
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  Speaker 1: being asked in Queensland after a thirty nine year old
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  Speaker 1: man died from a shark attack yesterday. It's Michael Jens
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  Speaker 1: was spearfishing y kilometers off the coast of Mission Beach
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  Speaker 1: that's south of Canns when he was attacked by a
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  Speaker 1: bull shark. It's the second fatal shark attack in two weeks,
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  Speaker 1: after a father of two was killed by a great
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  Speaker 1: white off the coast of Western Australia. These attacks have
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  Speaker 1: caught renewed calls for sharks to be culled, and of
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  Speaker 1: course Queensland MP Bob Katter is leading the charge.
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  Speaker 4: The killing of a shark in Queensland is illegal. It
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  Speaker 4: would be the only place on.
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  Speaker 2: Earth with killing of sharks is illegal.
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  Speaker 4: Fighting Queensland. Our information, official information is that it is
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  Speaker 4: illegal to kill a shark in Queensland. So we'll just
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  Speaker 4: keep dying so that they can be their little wokie
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  Speaker 4: selves in the big cities.
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  Speaker 1: This debate always fascinates me. Every time there's a shark attack,
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  Speaker 1: half the country demands a cull, the other half react
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  Speaker 1: as though they're calling for the great Barrier reef to
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  Speaker 1: be turned into a car park. So should we cull sharks,
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  Speaker 1: Dadika or are you one of those little wokies that
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  Speaker 1: Bob Catter talked about.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I must be a woki then I've made Seriously,
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  Speaker 3: come on, look, I am against a shark cull. When
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  Speaker 3: you enter the water, you enter at your own risk,
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  Speaker 3: just like when you get into the car, you enter
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  Speaker 3: at your own risk. I do not support a shark
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  Speaker 3: cull policy. We have shark mitigation practices in place across
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  Speaker 3: the country. There's drones, there's shark tagging. And also, can
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  Speaker 3: I just say politically it is an absolute disaster for
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  Speaker 3: governments to go down a sharkkill policy. I was a
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  Speaker 3: young reporter in Perth when the former Liberal premier at
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  Speaker 3: the time, Columbarnett, implemented a catch and kill initiative and
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  Speaker 3: can I just say it was an absolute disaster for
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  Speaker 3: that Liberal government. There were pictures on the front page
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  Speaker 3: of the West Australian newspaper of sharks bleeding out. Every
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  Speaker 3: night on the news again, sharks bleeding out. And it
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  Speaker 3: was so bad that Colin Barnett only months later ended
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  Speaker 3: up disbanding it and just backflipping on the policy altogether.
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  Speaker 3: There's been a lot of research that said that it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't reliably improve human safety you actually catch and kill sharks.
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  Speaker 3: And this is not to take away from the multiple
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  Speaker 3: fatal incidents I know that we've had in recent months
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  Speaker 3: and of course in years. We are in Australian waters
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  Speaker 3: and it is a tragedy when this happens.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not taking away from that, but I do not.
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  Speaker 3: Believe that sharks deserve to die. When you go into
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  Speaker 3: the water, you enter at your own risk. It is
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  Speaker 3: their home, it's their habitat.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's their home. Therefore we ought to be
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  Speaker 2: eaten if we go in the water like no.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean you just have to be you swim
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  Speaker 3: between the flags. You just be smart about it, Caleb.
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  Speaker 3: Or if you've got a problem, there are there are
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  Speaker 3: shark nets as well. Swim in the shark net if
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  Speaker 3: you're worried.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So, just accept that you're going to get done
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  Speaker 2: over by a shark. I don't accept that for a minute.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you enter the car.
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  Speaker 2: We have risen to the top of the evolutionary tree
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  Speaker 2: and that gives us special privileges and occasionally that means
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  Speaker 2: that we take over. I mean we've taken over most
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  Speaker 2: of the land in the world, and if we want
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  Speaker 2: to take over some water, we're entitled to do that
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  Speaker 2: as well. And if there are animal that are threatening us,
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  Speaker 2: just like we would kill them on land, we are
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  Speaker 2: within our rights to kill them in the water as well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that a shark color is the be
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  Speaker 2: all and end all of fixing the problem. I'm ambivalent
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  Speaker 2: as to what the method is of controlling sharks. You're
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  Speaker 2: not going to have shark nets and drones and planes
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  Speaker 2: and whatever forty kilometers off the coast. But we have
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  Speaker 2: to face facts, which is that in Australia there has
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  Speaker 2: been a marked rise in both bites and deaths since
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  Speaker 2: the nineties. It's gone from eight point two bites per
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  Speaker 2: year on average in the nineties to twenty seven bites
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  Speaker 2: per year on average in the twenty twenties. Deaths have
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  Speaker 2: gone on average from point nine a year to three
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  Speaker 2: point eight three a year. So that's a significant increase
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  Speaker 2: in shark bites and kills. And so why would we
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  Speaker 2: not seek some sort of retribution for that?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but how many people are killed in a car accident?
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  Speaker 5: Every day?
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  Speaker 3: You and your car, you get into your car at
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  Speaker 3: your own risk, just like you enter the water at
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  Speaker 3: your own risk. There are risks in every single day life.
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  Speaker 3: You can't just go around risks. You can mitigate it,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why we've got shark technology in place. We've
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  Speaker 3: got drones, as I said, we have got tags of sharks.
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  Speaker 3: There are mitigation policies in place. You can swim in
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  Speaker 3: the nets, you can swim between the flags. We do try,
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  Speaker 3: and I do believe that Australia does a very good
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  Speaker 3: job at trying to mitigate those.
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  Speaker 5: Risks, like you would if you went into a car.
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  Speaker 3: But there are always going to be fatal shark attacks.
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  Speaker 3: You cannot just kill every single shark just in case.
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  Speaker 1: I've got two questions. First, where are you driving your
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  Speaker 1: car that you're at risk of shark attack?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm trying to say, I'm talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: He was in that tesla that I'm in the woes I'm.
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  Speaker 3: In Bob katterseslar.
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  Speaker 1: He's my serious question. If it were true that shark
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  Speaker 1: numbers had increased exponentially, they were no longer endangered, but
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  Speaker 1: there was a a growing population of sharks, would you
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  Speaker 1: be in favor of culling those sharks to get them
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  Speaker 1: down to manageable level.
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  Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: So you would just let the shark population grow exponentially.
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  Speaker 2: I would have est number of shark bites in the world.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't agree with the catch and kill policy.
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  Speaker 3: And as I said, I've seen what it does firsthand
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  Speaker 3: when I was in Perth, and I can honestly say
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  Speaker 3: it was it was disturbing at best.
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  Speaker 5: It is.
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  Speaker 1: What about coloring crocodiles in North Queensland, in the estuaries
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  Speaker 1: and the rivers.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't agree with it either. I don't agree
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  Speaker 3: with coloring animals.
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  Speaker 1: What about couling kangaroos are destroying farm.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've never really thought about the kangaroosangaroo. I haven't
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  Speaker 3: thought about kangaroos. I've only ever thought about marine life,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, because.
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  Speaker 2: That they the time. Does they exist in epidemic proportions?
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  Speaker 5: No, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I just I don't agree with a shark kill policy.
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  Speaker 3: I just I truly believe that the ocean is their
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  Speaker 3: habitat and that and that.
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  Speaker 2: But it's our habitat as well.
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  Speaker 5: We don't live in the ocean. Caleb.
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  Speaker 3: Last When was the last time you got a sleeping
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  Speaker 3: sleeping bag and went first, because.
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  Speaker 2: You can't live in the ocean. But even our domain,
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  Speaker 2: we we are a species that can swim. The ocean
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  Speaker 2: is out.
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  Speaker 3: Of yes, and so we don't leep there.
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  Speaker 2: You've got our colonized. We've colonized and taken over the land.
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  Speaker 2: Why would we not do the same with the water.
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  Speaker 2: Why would we not make it suitable for us?
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  Speaker 1: What about coloring rabbits when they like when you get
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  Speaker 1: rat or rats or mice throughout, victim's.
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  Speaker 3: Get rid of the rats and mice. Oh so you
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  Speaker 3: just disgusting, You've.
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  Speaker 1: Just got sentimental feelings towards marine caps games.
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  Speaker 5: I do not want a rat crawling in my house, but.
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  Speaker 3: You haven't. But there are mitigation policies in place for sharks.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have a rat mitigator in policy in your place.
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  Speaker 3: Shut your door and never go out of your door, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: So you're happy.
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  Speaker 2: You're happy to have one animal killed because you don't
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  Speaker 2: like it, but because you like this one that has
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  Speaker 2: to be If there's a very mister shark has to
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  Speaker 2: chomp all the people in.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a difference between mice and and sharks,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a bigger, and I would say that there
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  Speaker 3: is bigger population of This is getting ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: There's a bigger.
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  Speaker 3: Population of mice and rats than there are sharks. Now
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  Speaker 3: I have to go and look at the figures of
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  Speaker 3: that one, but I'm saying with quite great confidence that
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  Speaker 3: there are less sharks in the ocean, I would say
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  Speaker 3: than what there are rats and mind.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're not trying to be ridiculous. We're trying to
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  Speaker 1: understand what what is your guiding principle in this argument,
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  Speaker 1: and we haven't found one yet.
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  Speaker 3: No, I just I don't agree with a catch and
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  Speaker 3: kills and feelings.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't like it is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I don't. I don't agree with killing and
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  Speaker 3: somebody in their natural habitat.
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  Speaker 2: The poor rat in his natural habit.
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  Speaker 5: The rat doesn't live in my it's not meant to
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  Speaker 5: be in my roof.
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  Speaker 2: Do we drawing lines now about where the animals are
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  Speaker 2: and are not allowed to be?
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  Speaker 1: Your roof is in his habitat.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, now, we're twisting this into something that's not
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  Speaker 3: It's not. When you enter the ocean, you enter at
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  Speaker 3: your own risk, as you do your every single day life.
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  Speaker 3: When you take risks, and you want to mitigate the risks,
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  Speaker 3: and how you don't want to mitigrate and.
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  Speaker 2: The second second highest number of shark dets in the world.
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  Speaker 2: But let's let mister shark eat everything. We talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Bob Catty, he does have a bit of a fascination
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  Speaker 2: with people being attacked by animals.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, people are entitled to their sexual proclimities,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, let there be a thousand blossoms blooms.
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  Speaker 5: So but I ain't.
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  Speaker 4: Spending any time warrant because in the meantime, every three
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  Speaker 4: months a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile.
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  Speaker 2: And North Queensland, Ah, that is an all time of
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  Speaker 2: that grab business. That is so good to show it
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  Speaker 2: any opportunity we can. I do wonder though, if there
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  Speaker 2: are any crocodiles or sharks getting around in the Victorian
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  Speaker 2: electorate of Bendigo East, because the Premiere of Victoria, Justina Allen,
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  Speaker 2: that is her territory. She may well have encountered one
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  Speaker 2: living in someone's house. Maybe she was knocking on the
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  Speaker 2: door and saw there was a rat or something at
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  Speaker 2: someone's place. Because she has been going around in the
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  Speaker 2: lead up to the state election and not loocking on
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  Speaker 2: people's doors. Now, this is obviously a commonplace practice for
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  Speaker 2: campaigning politicians, but it's not often you see the premier
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  Speaker 2: out door knocking their electorate. Generally, premiers are in reasonably
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  Speaker 2: safe seats and they feel like they've got much bigger
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  Speaker 2: fish to fry than going around knocking on residence doors.
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  Speaker 2: But that is indeed what your center Allan is doing.
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  Speaker 2: The reception has not all been positive, though.
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  Speaker 6: It's a sight and sound that has shocked voters in
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  Speaker 6: Jacenter Allan's Bendigo East electorate, the under pressure premier door
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  Speaker 6: knocking to secure votes more than six months from the election.
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  Speaker 6: Karina Brewster got the knock. The premier told her about
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  Speaker 6: discounted car REGOs and I.
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  Speaker 3: Said to her, now it's on the internet. I said,
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  Speaker 3: I can look that up and pretty much close the door.
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  Speaker 6: Did you close the door? On her face?
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry?
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  Speaker 3: Because I don't like her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there you go. That was a successful door knock,
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  Speaker 2: that one.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I have to say I respect her for getting out
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  Speaker 2: and knocking on doors because that is what a local
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  Speaker 2: politician should be doing, and she probably recognized aes I
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  Speaker 2: would think if she's out doing this. Andrew Lethlen, who
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  Speaker 2: is the National's candidate and will run against her in
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  Speaker 2: Bendigo East, ran in Bendigo at the federal election and
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  Speaker 2: he achieved a nearly ten percent swing away from Labor
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  Speaker 2: and nearly won that seat. He had what was at
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  Speaker 2: forty eight point six percent of the two party vote
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  Speaker 2: grat which was an extraordinary result in an election that
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  Speaker 2: was otherwise a complete landslide for Labor. So he's going
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  Speaker 2: to try it on against Jacinda Allen. She's probably feeling
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  Speaker 2: a bit of heat, so she actually has to get
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  Speaker 2: out there and do the work. I'm good. I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: to see a politician actually going and knocking on doors
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  Speaker 2: and checking out their local community.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt she's feeling the heat
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  Speaker 1: she's I mean, she's the most unpopular premier in the country,
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  Speaker 1: the only one with a negative approval rating. When she
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  Speaker 1: first won that seat back in nineteen ninety nine, she
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  Speaker 1: sald that seat for what's at twenty seven years long.
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  Speaker 1: My seat, she door knocked ten thousand homes. According to her,
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  Speaker 1: she wore out two pairs of shoes in that election
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  Speaker 1: campaign when she won the seat, so she certainly used
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  Speaker 1: to doing it, but this has given me a great
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  Speaker 1: business idea. Danika, go on, I'm going to start a
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  Speaker 1: sign company in Bendigo selling no trespassing signs, and I
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  Speaker 1: reckon I could absolutely clean up right now. Everyone will
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  Speaker 1: want to buy one.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, especially when you know that Jacinta's in town.
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  Speaker 1: Having a grim reaper and knocking on your door.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just Intera, I'm ready for you. So let me
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  Speaker 3: get this straight. Last week she was spending one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and twenty eight thousand dollars of taxpayers money, the highest
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  Speaker 3: amount out spending dan Andrews on a social media campaign
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  Speaker 3: to make people like her, and the desperation tour of
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  Speaker 3: Bendigo continues. So now she's going door to door knocking saying, Hi,
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  Speaker 3: it's just Cinta, please vote for me. It's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit tragic, isn't it. And don't get me wrong that no,
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  Speaker 3: I absolutely agree. I think that door knocking is one
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  Speaker 3: of the oldest political strategies in the book. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what that's real old fashioned politicking in my view, when
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  Speaker 3: you go door to door and you try and drum
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  Speaker 3: up that support, and it is when you actually go
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  Speaker 3: and talk to people individually what are your concerns. I
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  Speaker 3: actually think it makes you a better politician because you
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  Speaker 3: are out with the people and you're amongst them and
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  Speaker 3: talking to them. But the problem is, is it going
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  Speaker 3: to make sure that people actually like you? And given
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  Speaker 3: her approval ratings right now, I'm through the floor, she's
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  Speaker 3: taking a big risk. Credit to her for having the guts.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, maybe we should give her
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  Speaker 1: a bit of credit because she's very unpopular. She would
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  Speaker 1: know that she's very unpopular, so you'd want to hide away,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't you. Or maybe sher lust for power is so
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  Speaker 1: great she's prepared to with more front than myers. I
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  Speaker 1: get in front of people and copy the abuse if
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  Speaker 1: it means she might garner a few more votes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand this woman saying, oh, shut the door
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  Speaker 2: in her face. If Jacinta Ella knocked on, I'd say,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: come in and have a cup of tea. I've got
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  Speaker 2: a few things I'd like to tell you. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there'd be any shortage of material to
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  Speaker 2: roll out of it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, maybe if someone's got some machetes in the house,
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  Speaker 3: she could explain that there's a bin, there's the big
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: there's the bin and this is our big this is
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  Speaker 3: our big tough on crime stands. Now, look the National
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Senator Bridget Mackenzie, she's found herself in a little bit
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: of hot water for charging you, the taxpayer, to attend
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: her son's wedding. Now, one thousand dollars was spent on
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: a four day trip in February two thousand and twenty
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: three to Tasmania. That includes flights and accommodation. So she
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: flew back to Melbourne and then immediately boarded a flight
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: back to lawn Ceston and build taxpayers three hundred and
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: twenty eight dollars for this trip, that's according to the
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Sydney Morning Herald. She then charged three hundred and seventeen
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: dollars for one night of accommodation in lon Cestern. Her
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: son was married in a vineyard on February eighteen, so
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: this is back in twenty twenty three, and the following Monday.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Mackenzie then charged taxpayers two hundred and seven dollars for
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: a flight back to Melbourne, but that expense did not
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: appear on her public expenditure record until more than a
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: year after the wedding, So in total it's about one
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Now, look, when you think about it, I
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: think that one thousand dollars is a drop in the
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: ocean compared to what we have seen in recent years.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: For example, Labor mp Annaka Wells billing taxpayers ninety five
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars for a round trip to the un in
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: New York. There was also the ski trip, the Paris trip,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: the trips internally to all these sporting grand finals, lavish
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: trips here and there, and of course helping her husband
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: out at the time. The problem is is that politicians
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: are increasingly going to get caught out and I'm talking
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: on both sides of the political persuasion when it comes
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: to their expenses. But it's when you've had calls like
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: this one from Bridget mckenns and then you end up
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: in a bit of hot water. Doesn't look that great,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: does it. Do you have sympathy for the current sports
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Minister Anika Wells?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Then not at all, Pete.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: She's under investigation and she should do the right thing
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: and step aside while this investigation is taking place. Oh dear,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: And as I said, there's a very big difference between
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: one thousand dollars and more than ninety five thousand dollars. Look,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I do agree that you have to travel as part
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: of your job.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: It is what it is.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: But what is the threshold? Now, it is my view
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: that Bridget McKenzie did not need to charge taxpayers one
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars to attend her own son wedding. That was
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: a private trip. I'm sure that that's something that she
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: could have done out of her own pocket. Four flights
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: and for accommodation. But again, I feel like all sides
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: of the political persuasion are going to be really ruthlessly
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: checking their own books right now because they're all going
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: to get caught out.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I think the way you would describe this is tricky.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: It appears to be within the rules. Her office certainly
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: says that it's within the rules because she did some
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: work on the trip. So she went out and did
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: some social media stuff about a particular issue to do
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: with the budget and met with some people. There was
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: a small story written about it in the local paper.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: One d and twenty words.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: So you attack a bit of you know, work onto
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: an otherwise personal trip and then you go, okay, well
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: now I can claim it. Now. The question around that
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I suppose is should you be able to do that.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: If it's within the rules, then you can rightly say, well,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I'm only following the rules that others put down. It's
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: only a wrought if you're not in on it. I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: suppose the issue is though that everyone or not everyone.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe there are some exceptions, but has to some degree.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: There's snout in the trough and this is a minor
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: case all things considered. But it's just little things like
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: this that people go, oh, you know, the politicians, they're
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: only in it for themselves, and sometimes you have to
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: accept I think as a politician that you are held
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: to a higher standard, like you do actually have to
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: live by a different standard to everyone else, and that
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: means sometimes you have to be more honest than everyone else.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I know we're talking about.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Politicians, but you know, still, you're right, it's a bit gray.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So if I'm in Tasmania for legitimate purposes and my
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: son is getting married, what's the problem. On the other hand,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: my son is getting married, I'm going to Tasmania and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do a bit of legitimate politicking as well.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That's where it becomes problematic, and I guess we're kind
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: of relying on our political class to exercise what's it
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: called judgment.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like the Anika Wells birth the birthday, yes, birthday,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: where she had a meeting at the birth she had
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: a meeting, you know, in the corner of the birthday party,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: so in her view.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: It was legitimate.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: So the threshold is blurred at the moment. That's the problem.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: We may be having a new travel show coming from
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Bridget Mackenzie, Adventures of Barry Mcandzie.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: Dinking Da.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Of course it'll be the Adventures of a Bridget Mackenzie
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: in this case. Unfortunately Barry Humphreys is no longer around
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: to write it. That could be a bit of fun.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Good all right, staying with politics, we all know what
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a woman is, but if you start reading the Sex
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Discrimination Act, all of a sudden, very sensible saying, people
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: become completely confused as to what a woman is. And
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that of course led to a court determining that a
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: man who identifies as a woman had every right to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: be part of a women's only social app The outrage
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: over that court result is such that a National's MP
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Ellison Penfold has introduced into the Parliament today a bill
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: to fix the Sex Discrimination Act whereby the biological definition
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: of a woman would be reintroduced into law, and of
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: course sex would become binary within the law as well.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: So this is a pretty important development. Just before we
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: show you an excerpt from her speech, which I must
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: say was excellent. Just want to show you a still
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: photograph from her speech if we can bring it up now.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: This is a woman getting up in the National Parliament
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to talk about the fact that we need to amend
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the law to protect women's spaces. What caught my attention,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Caleb and Deneka is, look, we're looking from the government's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: side of the benches. It doesn't appear to be a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: single government member sitting there. Isn't it the government who
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: are always accusing the Coalition of having a women problem
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and not doing enough to support women. And so here
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: we have a Nationals woman introducing a bill to protect
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: women's spaces, women's sport females and it looks like barely
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: anyone at all from the government bother to show up.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Here's part of Ellison Penfold speech.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Federal Court ruling in Gigle versus Tickle that sex is
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: changeable expose what many Australians already knew was a serious
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: and growing problem in our law. The Parliament created ambiguity
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: in twenty thirteen when it amended the Sex Discrimination Act
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: to insert gender identity protections without properly defining what should
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: happen when they came into conflict with sex space rights.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: In a free society, people can believe whatever they want.
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: If you want to believe men can be women, or
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: you're a man who wants to call himself a woman,
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: that is your business. Any politician who will look an
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Australian in the eye and tell them that a man
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: can be a woman is admitting that they will lie
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: about anything and everything, because the most obvious lie has
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: already been told. This is not a culture war, its reality.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: With that, Deputy Speaker, I commend the bill to the House.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It was a really good ten minute speech. It's worth
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: going on YouTube and having a look at it in full.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: She said that the problem lay not with the courts,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: who were merely interpreting what the Parlement had legislator, and
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: therefore the Parliament could fix it. She said Parliamentarians for
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: too long had hoped this whole problem would go away
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: or people would just get used to it. She said
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that it was outrageous women had paid personal and professionally
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to try to fix the legislation. She said laws only
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: function when grounded in objective truth, and that the law
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: currently goes against all obvious truths and common sense, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it demands that women ignore their own safety. It was
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a great speech, and now we'll find out who's serious
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: about this issue.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Well we will, and I really do commend the Combalition
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: for actually finally standing up to this, But my concern
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: is that it won't go anywhere, It won't have any legs.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Last year in the Senate, Alex Antik and Matt Canaban
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: tried to introduce a bill to restore biological definitions and
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the sex discrimination at and Labor used its numbers in
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: the Senate to ensure that the bill was not even
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: read out, and the Minister for Women, Katie Gallaherst, said
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: it would be wrong of the government to promote harm
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: within the Senate. Well, what about the harm for female
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: only spaces because biological men are allowed in Now this
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: decision giggle versus tickle, actually impacts everyone. It impacts your daughters,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: your sisters, your mothers, your friends, every single woman in
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: your life. So I actually think that This is not
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: a left versus right issue, because there are plenty of
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: people on the left who are equally concerned about the
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: erasure of women.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: It has only become.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Politicized by the left, by labor politicians, by the Sex
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Discrimination Commissioner and a Cody. You recall she was asked
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: what is a biological man? She said that she didn't
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: know the definition because she wasn't a scientist. So they've
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: popped on board this ideological trans train into the never never,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: and suddenly in that timeframe, women's spaces have been raised.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Finally the Coalition has come to the table on this.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: The coalition should have come to the table many, many
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: years ago on this issue, because the question of what
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: is a woman is actually very very simple, but unfortunately
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: the left have taken it into another direction. But it
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: was a very good speech and I do commend her
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: for it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost a bit of a fool's errand because
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: it's not going to get up. We know it's not
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: going to get up because Labour has the numbers. They're
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: not going to vote for it, so that'll be the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: end of it. But you know, for the purpose of
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: making the point is it is a valuable thing to
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: do because then you can use it in future and say, well,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I mean once again, they voted against it and said
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: that they can't define what a woman is, which is
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: very strange because the Prime Minister himself has been asked
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: this question before what is a woman? And his answer
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: was an adult human female And he didn't have to
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: think too long or hard about that. He just knew
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that was the answer. So if the Prime Minister can
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: see that a woman is an adult human female, why
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: is the government so wedded to the idea that anyone
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: can be a woman. He has admitted he knows what
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the answer is. Why does he not then agree that
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that should be applied in law.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Well, all of our politicians want to have it. When
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I say all, I mean those on the left. They
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: want to have a bet each way. Even Chris Minz,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: who I think we would all agree is probably the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: most sensible of the labor leaders in this country. He,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: while saying that we need to protect female spaces, at
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the same time says that men who want to change
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: their birth certificate to indicate legally that their female are
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: free to do so. In fact, was his government introduced
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: that law. I don't know how you can hold those
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: two positions at exactly the same time, except that you're
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: trying to please everybody at the point was very well made.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I thought though, by Ellison Penfold that if our politicians
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: are willing to lie on something so basic and fundamental
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: as what is a woman, how would you believe anything
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: they say?
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I completely agree with you, and as I said,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: this impacts everybody. And the problem is is if you
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: dare to speak out about it now, you risk being
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: hauled in front of a court, just like Salgrover, just
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: like Kirilee Smith and other women who are just fighting
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: for basic biological rights. We are so far behind the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: rest of the world. The UK streets ahead of us,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the US, the streets ahead of us, even New Zealand
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: And yet is lagging behind.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It's interesting we found an example of a Coalition politician
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: being allowed to say lie in Parliament as well, because
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: currently I've been quite punished for doing so. While we're
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: talking about the use of words and language, an interesting
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: piece by the ABC today suggesting that maybe Australian words
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: like drongo could be on the way out. They've gone
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and spoken to a number of academics about the changes
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: in language, and you can see they're that headline death
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: of Drongo, a Ossie, insults and swear words dying out Now,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to quote from this piece by the ABC, it is
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: all the swear words and insults are falling out of
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: favor with younger people because all of language is changing
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and terms will just drop out of usage, said co
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: host of the Because Language podcast and lecturer in linguistics
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: at the University of Western Australia, Daniel Midgeley. He said,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: nobody wants to talk like the older generation. We want
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: to use language like people that we hang out with.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And you might say, well, where is this language coming
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: from If they're not using australianisms like drongo and all
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: these sorts of things, Now, where is the language coming from? Well,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the ABC explains a lot of American and also British
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: terms come through various forms of rap music that then
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: gets spread on social media, so they interact together. Mister
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Hughes's research, he's a researcher that was quoted elsewhere in
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the story, has found that black countercultural movements in the
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: United States and United Kingdom, including rap and hip hop music,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: contributed to half of all contemporary youth slang impressions used
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: among his research group of Victorian high school students. So
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: we're giving up on our own australianisms and instead we
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: are adopting americanisms and britishisms from rap music. I mean,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: for goodness sake, what are we doing to ourselves? If
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: you've got good words like drongo. This is the sort
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: of stuff I think we need to preserve. We should
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: fight to p observe our australianisms and our Australian version
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of the English language. And I can promise you that,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: for as long as I have breath in my lungs,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I will continue to use the word drongo as I
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: did in the very first promo that was ever produced
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: for this program.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Honestly, that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Don't treat me like I'm some sort of drongo. Hi,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I say that today most nights still wife. But I mean,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I think this is really sad if we're losing words
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: like drongo because it you know, it's a great word.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: You know, sorry kind of say I didn't recognize James
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: in that provo because it didn't have your glass.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I is not no oh of aged.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Working with Caleb of these last couple of years, and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I've started drinking. Before we carry on with this topic,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I want to have my Kel Richard's moment. Yeah, I've
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: been waiting for this moment. Do you know where the
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: term drongo comes from?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Now? Tell me all right?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Drongo was a race horse in the nineteen twenties in Victoria.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: It had thirty seven starts, never won a race, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: so it became a term of almost endearment. But you're
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a loser, You're a drongo. Yep, there you go.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Another one that comes from racing. So many great things
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: come from racing.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And cannot be on kredline replacing Kelrichard.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You can the words, but is there anything more Aussie
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: than an insult that's come from a horse race?
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: That?
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: There you go? I like it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Drongo Gala dud I used done, Here we go, We've
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: got some here gala drongo bozo. I love Derro, Bludger
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: all classics was a big Darro a lot. Actually, you know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about this and I think there's I
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: actually think there's two parts to one. I think definitely
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: we are adopting the UK and US isms as such.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I think we are now a broader multicultural society, so
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: they you know, people come in with their own languages
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: and they no longer adopting our slang words, and and
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: that's fine.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: It's I think that slang words are quite complicated.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: You look at some videos on online and you see,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: for example, Americans in this country try and say ossie
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: slang or try it interpret it, and they it just
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: completely confuses them because it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Is like a different language. So I think in a.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Broader multicultural society we are probably going to lose those
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: isms as such. And I also think the other problem
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: these days is we don't know what is offensive and
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: what is not offensive.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: It's like how the.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Left of completely killed comedy because they're the perpetually outraged
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: and they're offended by everything. So I think that we
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: tiptoe around it just oh, we better not say that
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: because it might have found that person. Oh no, we
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: can't put that in the context of this sentence, because
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: you know that person might get offended. It's the Left
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: have absolutely killed culture and killed anything.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Fun Assuemingly, the answer is that we need to come
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: up with our own Australian rap music that involves of
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: words like brongo and stuff, you're advocating for more, right,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, But if it means that we
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: can export these sort of words to the rest of
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: the world, then maybe it is actually a good thing.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Here's one for you. It's maybe a little bit obscure,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: but you can add this into your lexicon. An insult
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: for caravaners right who you know drive along really slowly
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: and clog up the road, Biki dippers, because without fail
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: ten point thirty they're all on the side of the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: road with a cup.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Of tea, dipping their biscuits in the cup of deep
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: insult me with that user in a sentence.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, this bloody bikie dippery is driving at seventy and
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: one hundred zer. Wow, there's one you can use.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Ok, note to self, Biki dipper.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I'm going to roll that out every single night on
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: the Late Debate.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I cannot wait for that Darrow moment.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: It's going to be absolutely fantastic. Well, let's go to
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: the UK now, where it's been revealed that British grandparents
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: are pay are spending would you believe an estimated fourteen
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: point six billion pounds each year to support their grandchildren,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: helping to look after them. It's about twenty five billion
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Aussie dollars, which is absolutely just incredible. Families are, of
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: course more and more increasingly reliant on grandparents on relatives
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: to help them as the cost of living bites and
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: of course the cost of childcare surgeres. It's something that's
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: happening over here in Australia. Have a look at this graphic.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Forty four percent of grandparents in the study so that
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: they were forced to reduce their own spending just to
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: cover the childcare costs. The study found grandparents are spending
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: money on fuel, food, clothing and toys as well as
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: activities while caring for their grandchildren. Now, look, this is
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: something that has been discussed here in Australia quiet at length,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: given that our childcare system is so expensive. But the
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Health Minister Mark Butler has always sort of fobbed off
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: the idea of using relatives.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Our three year old love spending time with these grandparents.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: All three year olds do, but it's not the same
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: as the learning experience you get from the local goods
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: start setup. James just said, fobbed off is a good
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Australian word.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: That is a very good point.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Look, I think that grandparents are so special and I
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: think that why wouldn't you want your grandparents to look
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: to be able to look after that they I'm sure
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: that they love spending time with their grandparents and as
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: a parent, you would think you feel maybe more safe
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: and happy to have them in the arms of a relative.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: But if we were to adopt, and I think that
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: we have actually a very strong case for it in
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Australia and clearly over in the UK of what they're
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: doing in parts of the Europe, for example, in Sweden
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: allowing working parents to transfer up to forty five days
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: or ninety days if you are a single of their
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: paid parental leave two grandparents to help pay for them
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: to help care for their children. I think this is
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: a really great idea because to try and compensate them
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: ament you know, grandparents do it out of the goodness
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: of their heart and they want to, but just to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: help them out a little bit, to give them some
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: sort of support, and it also helps people to get
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: into the workforce, especially women.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: And I would also argue it might even.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Help boost the birth rate, and gosh knows here in
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Australia we've certainly got a crisis when it comes to
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: our birth rate. So if people can have more children,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: we can try and give them as much support as
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: we can. Then maybe three grandparents it might be the way.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Give grandparents more money. And people are shagged more. That
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: sounds like there's a policy there go and what we
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: need is and thankfully this discussion is now being had
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: at a national level because the Coalition is raising it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: But you know, the money that he's spent on childcare
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: in subsidies, if parents had the opportunity to choose where
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: that money went, it would open up things so much more.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: You know, you could say, I, you know, maybe I'll
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: send my kid to childcare once a week because his
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: mates go there, and then you know, the other days
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the grandparents will look after him and at least then
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I've got some petrol money and they've got some money
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: to take him out and do things or whatever it is.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: You know, give parents the opportunity to make those decisions
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: on oppositions with the money, rather than the government simply
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: forcing you at gunpoint, basically saying if you're going to
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: go to work, you've got to send your kid to childcare.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Very good call. All right, We're going to go to
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a break. When we come back, we look at what
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: making headlines tomorrow, including Chris Bowen. He'll never be Prime Minister,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: but boy he's making the most of being the climate
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: change President. That's coming up next. Okay, let's take a
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: look at what's making headlines tomorrow so you hear it
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: all here. First, we'll start with the front page of
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: tomorrow's Herald's Son and this story, of course on the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: front page of many papers tomorrow. That's the passing of
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Neil Danaher, famous for his afl ability but even more
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: famous for what he has done for those suffering MND.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: The Herald Son have devoted eight pages to a special
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: tribute tomorrow. The headline reads Legend and his legacy. Braveheart,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: football legend and MND warrior, Neil Danaher has been remembered
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: as a fighter and the heart of his heartbroken family
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: as tributes flow for the great Australian. Danaher died on Monday,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: age sixty five, after a courageous thirteen year battle with
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: motor neuron disease. He was, of course a brilliant football
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: player for Essendon before becoming coach of the Melbourne Demons,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: took them to a Grand Final in the year two thousand,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: but his football achievements were well and truly surpassed by
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: what he did while suffering from MND. He was told
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: he would only live for about twenty seven months when
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: he was diagnosed thirteen years ago, and rather than hiding away,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: he decided to use the disease to do good. Raised
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: over one hundred million dollars for research into MND. We
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: talk about great Australians, this man truly is was will
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: always be a great Australian.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and he'll no doubt get a state funeral, and
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: as well he deserves it too, because I mean you
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: can imagine being in that position. We're talking about it
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: in the break and I said it's extraordinary that he
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: managed the last thirteen years and he said it was
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: twenty seven months he was told when he was diagnosed,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: because it's normally one and a half two years in
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: lucky and for thirteen years he just fought and fought
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: and fought and said, well, I'm not going to take
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: it lying down. I'll do what I can to leave
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: this country in the world a better place than I
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: found it. You know, just extraordinary bravery and get up
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: and go to do that in the face of adversity.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: And I also don't feel like we really in Australia
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: had conversations about MND, and we didn't know enough about
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: the disease until Neil Danaher really brought it to the
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: forefront through the Big Freeze, and I think so many
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: people got involved in that charity initiative.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: And I completely agree with your sentiment.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: A wonderful player, a wonderful coach, but it was really
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: what he did for that disease, bringing it to the forefront,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: and I just think a magnificent Australian and such a
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: loss to this country.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: The other thing I think is worth mentioning is it's
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: not just what he did for sufferers of MND, but
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: he's a fine example because we all face tragedy crises
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: in our lives, right he's a fine example of no
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: matter what you're facing, can always find a way to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: do good and rather than let it define you, you
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: can say no, no, no, I still have the ability to
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: choose to do something positive. And that's a wonderful example
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: of how to stand strong when things aren't going your way.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a quote from him on the front of
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: The Australian Tomorrow that says, no matter the odds, no
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: matter the diagnosis, we all have the power to choose
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to fight. The mark of a person isn't what they say,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: it's what they do. And that is exactly how Neil
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Danaher lived. Rest in peace. Another story on the front
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: of the Odds tomorrow price see Chris Mass Bowen's presidential
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: entourage on Global splurge. Chris Bowen has assembled an army
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: of more than one hundred bureaucrats to help him with
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: his COP president mission, and his department has built taxpayers
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: almost half a million dollars in just four months to
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: send the officials overseas to assist the Climate change Minister
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: with his global green negotiations. Taxpayers will be slugged almost
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million dollars for Bowen's role as
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Climate of the Climate of the Party's President. Sorry of
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: negotiations and now the COP related activities budget estimates revealed
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and the Australian can reveal it. As part of this bill,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the government approved his staff to spend four hundred and
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: eighty five thousand, six hundred and two dollars on several
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: trips to countries including Turkey, fee g Germany and Korea
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: between January and February of this year, according to documents
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: released under Freedom of information. Isn't that fantastic. We've all
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: been told, you know, got to save the fuel for
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the country and all this business, and they're just thrown
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: around millions and millions of dollars flying around the world
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: to fix climate change.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: You know, this guy is not serious at all. Okay, first,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: he's the part time energy minister working on a five
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: fox basis fly in flyout. He'll come in here, trot about,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: rip out a few lines about the renewables only experiment,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: then will get back on a plane again and he'll
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: spend one hundred and fifty million dollars of taxpayers money
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: swaning about the globe. And now he's got to take
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: a hundred bureaucrats with him to be part of this
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: part time energy minister scenario.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, the guy is an absolute fanciful joke.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: That's my biggest problem with this. It's not the amount
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: of money being spent by Australian taxpayers, obscene as that is,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: but Chris Bowen has never really excelled in any public
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: role he's had. We've got an energy grid that is
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: in an absolute mess energy prices through the roof a
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: fuel crisis. Now they've given him this worldwide job as well.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: He hasn't proven he can do one job well, let
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: alone two of such massive responsibility. So not good.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe for the Prime Minister it was a bit like
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: when he sent Kevin Rudd to the US. It's like
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: the less time he spins in Australia, so better just
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: you know, off your go fella. Now the story ALP's
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: budget chambles rethink, retrofit, repeat. Anthony Alberizi has opened the
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: door to potential capital gains tax exemptions for industries other
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: than technology, amid concerns among the business sector and labour
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: ranks over a landmark policy that's being retrospectively patched up
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: and shifting on an almost daily basis. The Prime Minister's
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: revelation that he is consulting small business and big industry
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: on CGT carve outs, not just tech startups as expected,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: created widespread confusion over how far he was willing to
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: go on alterations to the budget and whether he was
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: preparing for a major backflip. And this has not lasted
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: very long. Hasn't already having to try and fidd But
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: you'd think you'd work this stuff out before you went
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: out and announced it. Clearly they just thought this into
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: intergenerational equity business. Would just you know, that'll be a
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: clean up job. No, and I'll have any beef with
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: this hasn't worked that way.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that phrase because have you heard
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: that since the budget announced because that has disappeared.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, it has disappeared.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: And I think that Labour has been caught on the
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: hop with this one because they've announced this at hoc
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: without actually thinking it through. And g would a doozy
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: of a picture of Jim Chalmers on the front page there.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: He wouldn't be happy with that one.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: In other news, there will be no leadership challenge from
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Jim Charmers.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Now, yeh, I know the Prime Minister must be loving that.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: No. Absolutely. Let's look at the Daily Telegraph now an
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: exclusive there from our colleague Sharry markson actually Bondai terror
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: hotline fail bombshell. Classified files reveal two warning calls about shooter.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Bondi shooter Sajd Akram was the subject of two national
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: security hotline tip offs in two thousand and seven and
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. Placing him on the radar of authorities almost
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: two decades before the Bondi attack. A major investigation has
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: uncovered that the first tip off to the National Security
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: hotline in two thousand and seven involved his interest in
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: explosive material. The second was made around twenty fourteen and
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: involved Akram's interest in Islamic state and potentially travel. And
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: these are gosh, these are extraordinary revelations. And of course
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: it also forms part of the Bondai Royal Commission that's
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: currently being held here in city. But gee, there would
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: be warning bells going off in Asio right now. How
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: this was missed?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And as you know, the question all along is
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: how do these things get through the cracks?
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Exactly?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: More and more of the stuff comes out, and you
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: do ask the question how well are we being looked at?
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Absolutely speaking of how well are we being locked?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: After?
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: It looked after?
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Here come even more Isis brides.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: Here we go.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: The impending return of ISIS linked Aussie women and children
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: has sparked calls for the federal government to ensure strict
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: safeguards are put in place to protect the community. The
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph can reveal that the cohort of six women
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: fourteen children have secured airline tickets and are expected to
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: return to Australia today as in Tuesday. So welcome back brides.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Here we go again, deja vu.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: The vision will be very interesting tomorrow afternoon of them
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: arriving and what's the reception they get or if they're
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: rushed out the back door by authorities as I suspect,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: they may well be the front page of the Adelaide
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Advertiser's got interesting little piece down the bottom. UNI's One
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Nation vaccine Adelaide University staff for promoting an event attacking
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: one nation and its quote toxic gravitational pull and proposing
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: a quote vaccine of trade union membership, so if you
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: join a trade union, it will provide a vaccine against
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the evils of one nation. The university's journalism school calls
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: for democratic legitimacy to educate one Nation voters, but the
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: party state leader Cory Bernardi blasted the forum as an
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: affront to democracy. Well, thank god for Adelaide University saving
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: us all from the evils of one nation by providing
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the vaccine of trade union membership. There you go. I've
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: heard everything now all right after the break, would you
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: pay five hundred dollars to get away from your kids
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: for a night. Suppose it depends on what your kids
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: are really like, doesn't it. We'll talk about that after
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the break.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Bo.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: King Charles was in Northern Ireland over the weekend where
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: he was serenaded by a men's ukulele and ensemble. As
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you typically are asked if there was a spare ukulele,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and this is what happened, We're going to give it
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: to King Charles. Four weeks ago he's addressing US Congress
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: and now he's playing the ukulele with a bunch of
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: men's shed blokes in Northern Ireland. I reckon the world
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: would be a happier place if everyone has played the ukule.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's really sweet.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Why you can't get rid of the monarchy? How else
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: would you get moments like that of you know, to say,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: there's a president, you get rid of the king and
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: there's a president or something instead. Is anyone going to
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: be going? Isn't this lovely? The president came and played
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: a ukulele? You know, No, you only get that sort
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: of thing with a king or a queen.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: What would Kirstarma be playing if he was the president recorder.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Hot Cross buns on the reporter, he'd be playing the
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: World's Smallest Violey.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: No, exactly.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: And I love those skills.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: By the King. I think it's fantastic.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Now, speaking of skills, I'm about to show you some, well,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I would say, bizarre life skills. This is NBC News
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Capitol Hill correspondent Julie Serkin. She was at the White
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: House yesterday when there was a shooting just outside the
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: security gates where a Secret Service member had to fire
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: at this person who tried to shoot at the White House.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Her reaction to it was well muddled and bizarre.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: No, you wouldn't want to be stranded on a desert
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: island with her, would you, because I don't think she
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: would have any idea what to do. She was just
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: very well nonchalant. Is that the right word for withther?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: To be fair, I'd blame her cameraman who told her pilos.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just just oh what is that? It's very just,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: you know, nothing phased.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: You are in America, love, Yeah, exactly, not unusual. The
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: sound of a bullets ringing out? Is it over there?
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: She's a great reporter, she's been curious.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Indeed, she wants to know what's going on. Just don't
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: get yourself killed in the process. I think it'd probably
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: be advisable. Now. Look, every now and again you probably
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: need a nart off from the rug rats, don't You
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: got to go and do date night, maybe take the
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: other half out for dinner or something like this. But
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: it's a difficult thing to do when you have kids.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: You got to find the time, You got to find
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: someone to look after them. Obviously a lot of people
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: turn to babysitters. Well, we now know how much it
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: costs you to get a babysitter around the country. The
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: national average is sixty eight dollars. But if you break
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: it down by state, in New South Wales you're paying
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: seventy six bucks, Victoria sixty two, Queensland sixty two, South
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Australia forty nine, TAZZI forty three, Act eighty six, WOW
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Servants and WA seventy four dollars. But in this study
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that was done by a pure profile they're a research mob.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: They found one parent or one group of parents who
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: said they'd pay five hundred dollars on one occasion for
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: a babysitter.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: Five hundred, five hundred you'd want.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: To be the world's best babysitter for five hundred dollars.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're the world's worst kids. That's why fred dollars.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I mean unless the sitter was then asked, okay, can
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: you stay the night or can you extend it or something,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: But five hundred dollars is an awful lot of money.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I tempted to do the job for five hundred dollars
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: at Bob, I have to say.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, there you get a second job.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: There trying I can buy more horses.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Then all right, that's all We've got time for stick around.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Coming up after this is the read A Pennehy Show.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: We'll see it tomorrow