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Husband fights demand for DNA in April Kauffman murder probe · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow will be the fifth anniversary of the murder of
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Speaker 1: April Kaufman at the Jersey Shore in Lynwood, Atlantic County.
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Speaker 1: Who would want to kill April Kaufman. I can't think
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Speaker 1: of anybody that would want to do harm to April
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Speaker 1: because all she ever did was help people. April Coffman
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Speaker 1: was not only a beloved radio ho, she was also
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Speaker 1: beloved for being an advocate for veterans. The worker who
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Speaker 1: came to the home on What's doot drive to the
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Speaker 1: Kaufman's pet parents discovered her body in her bedroom and
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Speaker 1: call police. Say her husband told them April was alive
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Speaker 1: when he left that morning. Authority say she had been
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Speaker 1: shot multiple times. This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: That's a newly appointed prosecutor who says he is focusing
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Speaker 1: on unresolved homicide. We're asking for a sample of his DNA,
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office says. Jim Kaufman's attorney is opposing it.
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Speaker 1: I missed my mom a lot, even though I walk
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Speaker 1: around with a smile. In my case, there's a big,
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Speaker 1: big hole in my heart. A highly popular radio DJ
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Speaker 1: dead right now. The cold case murderer of a New
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Speaker 1: Jersey radio DJ has been revived by prosecutors who are
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Speaker 1: demanding DNA from her widower. I Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. This woman
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Speaker 1: was absolutely phenomenal on the radio. April Kaufman. She was
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Speaker 1: murdered in her bedroom in her luxury home May two
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Speaker 1: thousand twelve. Now she was shot multiple times and she
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Speaker 1: had a cut on her arm. Her daughter Kim has
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Speaker 1: long believed it was April's husband who murdered her in
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Speaker 1: her luxury home. She the daughter Kim, is suing the
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Speaker 1: husband for wrongful death and is trying to stop him
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Speaker 1: from getting his mits on six hundred thousand dollars oh,
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Speaker 1: six hundred thousand dollars from April's life insurance policies. Now
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Speaker 1: he the husband, Dr James Kaufman, denies murdering her or
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Speaker 1: having anything to do with her death, but now prosecutors
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Speaker 1: asked him to voluntarily submit to a DNA sample or
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Speaker 1: UH is the gig up again? I Mancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories, and I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Alan the Deep Deep joining me from
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Speaker 1: his enclave in Hollywood. Allen nobody has ever been arrested
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Speaker 1: for the murderer of the popular, highly popular DJ April Kaufman.
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Speaker 1: And she's not only beautiful on the radio on the inside,
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Speaker 1: she's beautiful on the outside. She's actually she's a stunner. Now,
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Speaker 1: her adult daughter, Kim insists that the endocrinologist husband, James Kaufman,
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Speaker 1: shot her and she, the daughter, is fighting to have
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Speaker 1: him prosecuted. She was murdered in her Lynwood home, Upscale, Lynwood,
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Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve. The daughter has gone so far
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Speaker 1: as to file a wrongful death lawsuit. Now that's not
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Speaker 1: a criminal case, it's civil like O. J. Simpson was
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Speaker 1: prosecuted criminally and was acquitted. Then the victim, Ron Goldman
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Speaker 1: family sued him civilly and he was held responsible civilly.
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Speaker 1: That's what this is, okay, Alan weigh In, The doctor's
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Speaker 1: lawyer says this is all about money. And he was
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Speaker 1: never accused by his stepdaughter of killing his wife until
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Speaker 1: they started arguing in court over the insurance money. There's
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Speaker 1: two life insurance policies a hundred thousand dollars. Why does
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Speaker 1: he need money, He's a daughter turk. Well doctors love money,
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Speaker 1: I guess, and who doesn't And well it's out there.
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Speaker 1: Why not go get it, but think about this Alan.
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Speaker 1: The love of money, preach, sister preach is the roote.
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Speaker 1: I will have you seen my car? What is it?
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Speaker 1: It's like a soccer mom band from two thousand and two.
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Speaker 1: It is a beat up minivan covered in stickers, and
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Speaker 1: I'm proud of it. Okay, all right? You see what
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Speaker 1: I wear every day when i'm do You see what
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Speaker 1: I wear every day when I'm not on the air
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Speaker 1: or in court. You see what I wear it. Doubles
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Speaker 1: is a podcasting studio sometimes too. Doubles. It's a podcasting
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Speaker 1: my black tights and my cowboy boots and my t shirt. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so you would love to have it. So don't praise
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Speaker 1: to me about people loving money. Money will be the
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Speaker 1: death of you. I'm just telling you. You love money,
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Speaker 1: You're in trouble. That's what I'm selling. Had to fight
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Speaker 1: over money, is what the lawyer for the husband says.
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Speaker 1: There's a hundred thousand dollars and a five thousand insurance
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Speaker 1: policy on the dead woman April, and the insurance companies
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Speaker 1: are refusing to pay out, saying no because the doctor
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Speaker 1: is a suspect and unless you can get cleared by
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Speaker 1: the d A, we're not going to pay off. And
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Speaker 1: the d A up to this point have refused to
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Speaker 1: give a letter to him saying you're not a suspect.
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Speaker 1: And so he went to court. I guess not. They've
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Speaker 1: demanded him to give a d n A but sample
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Speaker 1: and he refused new development. And this is why the
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Speaker 1: love of money can get you in big trouble. To
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Speaker 1: make your point is he has been fighting. He filed
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Speaker 1: a lawsuit in federal court to try to force that
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Speaker 1: money so he could get it. And then, uh, the daughter,
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Speaker 1: Kim Pack, who is the second beneficiary. If if the
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Speaker 1: widower doesn't get it, then she would get it. So
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Speaker 1: she joined the battle and filed and accused her stepdad
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Speaker 1: of killing her mother. You know what makes me angry?
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Speaker 1: Or is that people always they jump up and say, oh,
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Speaker 1: you're only do it, You're only suing because of money.
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Speaker 1: Why shouldn't she sue? How wrong is it for an
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Speaker 1: accused killer. She's accusing him of murder. Why should he
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Speaker 1: get back to our podcast. Now, what about this Alan Duke?
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Speaker 1: What about the d A as king him the doctor,
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Speaker 1: the endocrinologist who's probably rolling in a bed of money
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Speaker 1: right now. They asked him to submit as d n A.
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Speaker 1: He refused. And what about this hold she's found? Her
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Speaker 1: body was found by a handyman who the husband sent
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Speaker 1: to the house after the husband says she would not
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Speaker 1: answer the phone. My, that's quite the coin kie dink?
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Speaker 1: Does it murder? Make no? But her body is found
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Speaker 1: by someone, he sends to go find her body, I mean,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, someone he sends to go to the house
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Speaker 1: to check on her. She was lying on the floor
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Speaker 1: with multiple gunshot wounds. She appeared to have a cut
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Speaker 1: on her arm. Now, listen, if this is a burglary
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Speaker 1: gone wrong, why shoot the person multiple times? Why not
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Speaker 1: just run out the door? She was not raped, there's
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Speaker 1: no sex assault, So what's the motive? Nothing stolen? Interesting?
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Speaker 1: She was still alive when police arrived, but then died
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Speaker 1: of her injuries. So isn't that a coincidence she was
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Speaker 1: just shot? She doesn't answer the phone. Now, if I
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Speaker 1: don't answer my phone, Alan, do you send somebody to
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Speaker 1: come look and check on me? No? So why did
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Speaker 1: he do that? Yeah, you take more than just one
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Speaker 1: or two times if not answering your phone. That is
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Speaker 1: a good point. That the point about the d a's
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Speaker 1: nothing else for you, young man. Since she died. Mr Thing,
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Speaker 1: the husband, he's already sold her estate and remarried. That
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Speaker 1: was hasty. Huh. Sheets on the bed didn't even get cold.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if he even changed the sheets. Okay, go ahead, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So if they get the d n A, it's not
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Speaker 1: a suspect. He has not been formally accused. The only
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Speaker 1: one pointing the finger at him. It's not me and
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Speaker 1: it's not Allan is the dog not the only one
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Speaker 1: really yet. Because of the d A hearing that is
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Speaker 1: this week, there is a new prosecutor in this county
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Speaker 1: and as a result, this prosecutor was sworn in on
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Speaker 1: March fifteenth, and the first thing he said was bring
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Speaker 1: me all the cold cases, all of the cases since
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy that haven't been solved, and they started, he
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Speaker 1: started having the staff look through them, and he said,
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Speaker 1: what about this lady April Kaufman. That was a pretty
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Speaker 1: big deal five years ago. So they started looking at
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Speaker 1: it and they said, wait, we've got some DNA evidence
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Speaker 1: if we could only match him up. And that's when
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Speaker 1: they started the effort. They've been sitting on the DNA.
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Speaker 1: You haven't time something. I have another effect for you. Reportedly,
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Speaker 1: the indo chronologist husband, who has already sold her estate
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Speaker 1: and remarried, has also I tried to cash in on
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Speaker 1: two life insurance policies where he was named as the beneficiary,
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Speaker 1: and as you accurately pointed out, yet again, I caught
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Speaker 1: you being right again. The insurance provider has refused on
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Speaker 1: the basis that he has not been ruled out as
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Speaker 1: a suspect, and cops refused to provide the insurance with
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Speaker 1: the report stating as much that he has been cleared.
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Speaker 1: What do you call that the slayers statute that would
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Speaker 1: bar anybody who was involved in the killing from getting
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Speaker 1: a benefit. Yeah, it goes by different names in different jurisdictions,
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Speaker 1: but yes, so he the husband has sued the insurance company,
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Speaker 1: claiming he's entitled to the money it then the company
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Speaker 1: listed Kim pack the daughter as a third party who
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Speaker 1: might contest the request, and that and only then, then,
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Speaker 1: and only then then did the daughter file the wrongful
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Speaker 1: death claim all right, blaming her mother's death on the stepfather,
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Speaker 1: Dr Kaufman. So it's not as if the daughter Kim
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Speaker 1: raced out and sued over money. There was a long
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Speaker 1: sequence of events started really by the doctor himself. He's
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Speaker 1: the one that tried to put cash into insurance policies.
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Speaker 1: He's the one that sold the estate. He's the one
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Speaker 1: that remarried. He's the one refusing to give DNA. He
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Speaker 1: did this, and then she responded with her own lawsuit.
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Speaker 1: So I don't like the daughter being portrayed some money
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Speaker 1: grabb her. She did not jump into the debate over
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Speaker 1: this killing until she says, in fact, this is what
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Speaker 1: she said two years ago when she filed the suit
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Speaker 1: against him. She says, I purposely tried to avoid directly
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Speaker 1: talking about what happened. But after being brought into this lawsuit,
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Speaker 1: meaning the over the insurance thing, I have no choice
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Speaker 1: but to respond, to begin the fight for what I
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Speaker 1: know is right. I can no longer sit back and
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Speaker 1: allow what I perceive as an injustice to occur in
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Speaker 1: the fast wha wait, wait, wait, wait what are you
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Speaker 1: writing this down? But I need to process it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you sound like one of those disclaimers at the end
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Speaker 1: of commercials and car car advertisements. Now hold on, you're
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Speaker 1: talking about a statement from April I mean, excuse me
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Speaker 1: from Kim the daughter. Yes, Okay, can just slow down
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Speaker 1: a minute now. What what did she say? She said
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Speaker 1: that she hadn't been really speaking out about this case,
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Speaker 1: but after being brought into this lawsuit, I have no
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Speaker 1: choice but to respond and to begin to fight for
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Speaker 1: what I know is right. I can no longer sit
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Speaker 1: back and allow what I perceive as an injustice to occur.
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Speaker 1: I know that my mother would not want me to
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Speaker 1: sit silently any longer. That's what she said at the
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Speaker 1: news conference where they announced this in three years ago.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's bad enough to lose a parent. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know, Alan, You've lived through me losing my dad
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Speaker 1: two years ago and I'm still I mean, I've got
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Speaker 1: his handkerchief in my hand right now that I carry
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Speaker 1: with me all the time, and I just it's bad
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Speaker 1: enough to lose your parents, but then to think they
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Speaker 1: were murdered, for them to be lost to violence, it's
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Speaker 1: a whole different kind of worms. Whim your loved one
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Speaker 1: is murdered. You know, my fiancee's murder. It made me
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Speaker 1: realize that because it's not you're not just dealing with
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Speaker 1: a death or a loss. You're dealing with an intentional
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Speaker 1: infliction of pain and death, which is a whole another
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Speaker 1: trauma to those left behind. And this girl loses a
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Speaker 1: parent to violence. That's that's a lot to process. Now.
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Speaker 1: This husband, Dr Kaufmin, lived in the home where April
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Speaker 1: was found murdered. Now, the neighbors say the pair had
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Speaker 1: recently bought another home in Arizona and the doctor was
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Speaker 1: planning to retire. Well, if he gets all this insurance money,
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Speaker 1: he will certainly be able to retire with his new bride.
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Speaker 1: He was at the time. I believe that's not old
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Speaker 1: enough to retire. He's got plenty of years left to work.
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Speaker 1: That's true, But doctors sometimes do that because they can.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you move to Arizona from Lynnwood, New Jersey? This
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Speaker 1: is just outside of Atlantic City. Don't knock Jersey. Don't
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Speaker 1: knock Jersey. One of my very best friends lives there
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Speaker 1: in Jersey, and I've been to his home with his
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Speaker 1: wife and his boys. Is beautiful, and they don't call
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Speaker 1: it the garden State for nothing. There's a lot of
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Speaker 1: beautiful areas in countryside, in wooded areas in Jersey. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I guess my opinion of New Jersey has been tainted
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Speaker 1: by the fact that that's where I went to bootcamp.
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Speaker 1: When I went into the army at Fort Dickson. Hard
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Speaker 1: to imagine you and your ponytail and boot camp. They
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Speaker 1: made me cut it off. Then they shaved it off
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Speaker 1: and go ahead, everybody, go ahead, and right in? How
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Speaker 1: mean I am to allen? Dig ahead? Oh okay, I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about this, says police. Another account, and
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Speaker 1: it's an old account. I read a two thousand twelve
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Speaker 1: account that said police are close to making an arrest
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Speaker 1: after she was found shot dead. That was in two
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Speaker 1: thousand twelve. Now we learned that Kaufman, the husband Dr
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Speaker 1: James Coffin, says his wife was asleep when he left
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Speaker 1: for work Thursday morning, so he sees her that morning.
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Speaker 1: The beloved local radio talk show host very active on
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Speaker 1: veterans affairs. She was a big supporter of our veterans.
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Speaker 1: Her body, bullet riddled, was found at her home thirty
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Speaker 1: a m by the handyman. The husband calls in, who
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Speaker 1: calls nine one one. Now, this is according to the
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Speaker 1: then prosecutor. So the husband is with her by his
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Speaker 1: own admission, the morning of her murder. Then in the
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Speaker 1: space a very short time span, she's found dead, shot
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Speaker 1: numerous times in the bedroom of their homes. You're right,
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Speaker 1: Alan's twelve miles miles from Atlantic City. Now, she co
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Speaker 1: hosted the King Arthur Show on w ib G. The
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Speaker 1: prosecutor let it slip that the killing her murder had
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with her radio job. What do you
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Speaker 1: make of that, Alan, It was very non controversial. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't like the podcast we do here where somebody just
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Speaker 1: might be looking at me when I walk out the
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Speaker 1: door here in Los Angeles for what I said about them.
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Speaker 1: But in fact, just before her death, she was given
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Speaker 1: the Governor's Award for Community Service for what she was
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Speaker 1: doing with veterans, mostly focusing on leading a petition drive
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Speaker 1: for veterans healthcare and pushing for local health programs for them.
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Speaker 1: So she was she was a saint in the community. Now, Alan,
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Speaker 1: I know why she always looks so good in every picture.
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Speaker 1: She also owned a hair salon in a catering service,
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Speaker 1: so that's why her hair is always perfect. She's always perfect.
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Speaker 1: She's really really pretty. Neighbors claim that they saw her
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Speaker 1: husband arriving at the murder scene, saying his wife was
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Speaker 1: asleep with a pillow over her face when he went
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Speaker 1: to work that morning. Now, why would he share that
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Speaker 1: with the neighbors. But anyway, Another neighbor said he spoke
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Speaker 1: briefly to his wife and kept asking why now, why now? Now,
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Speaker 1: that's that's an odd question to ask. That's what the
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Speaker 1: neighbors say that she had this incredible personality. She could
18:38
Speaker 1: never say no to any charity. She was the kind
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Speaker 1: of person that would give you the shirt off her back.
18:44
Speaker 1: That's according to her co host, that she had been
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Speaker 1: in a great mood the day before Wednesday, no indication
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Speaker 1: anything was wrong. They had been celebrated, celebrating progress on
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Speaker 1: a lot of veterans issues, and she was talking about
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Speaker 1: a new and you're working with homeless veterans. Wow, what
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Speaker 1: about that? Yeah? And as I said, she had just
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Speaker 1: gotten this big award for all of her work. Here's
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Speaker 1: something that's going to really make you mad. And it
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Speaker 1: reminds me of what we discussed in a case recently,
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Speaker 1: the one about the lawyer who is charged with killing
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Speaker 1: his wife in Atlanta. Text, yes, exactly text what did
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Speaker 1: he do after her death? He auctioned off her belongings,
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Speaker 1: including family heirlooms in this one and this one including
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Speaker 1: family heirlooms. Does I wonder how the daughter felt about
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Speaker 1: family are well, that's part of her whole problem with it.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Oh my stars. That's terrible. That's really bad.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, that makes me hurt for the dog. It does,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, things don't really matter, like your TV
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Speaker 1: or your DVD player or your sofa, your VHS player
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Speaker 1: in your Yeah, thank you, but thanks Like I don't
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Speaker 1: know my grandmother's engagement ring, the rocking chair that belonged
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Speaker 1: to my granny, my great grandmother. Those things would matter
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Speaker 1: to me, and all that's gone. Yeah, auctioned it off
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Speaker 1: and remarried. I got a question, an investigation type question
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Speaker 1: for you. You're really trying to the fire, I've got
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Speaker 1: an investigative type question for you. So this in the
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Speaker 1: next week, we should know if he's going to the doctor,
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Speaker 1: is going to be forced to give DNA, which he's
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Speaker 1: refused because of a hearing. Then the prosecutor is pushing
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Speaker 1: at Damon Tyner, the new prosecutor there. The judge is
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Speaker 1: going to decide after a hearing if he's going to
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Speaker 1: force it, and my guests as he will. But if
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Speaker 1: they get that DNA, we've not heard what kind of
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Speaker 1: DNA evidence the investigators have. They've held it close to
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Speaker 1: their vest But if the guy lived there, slept in
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Speaker 1: that bed, dressed in that bedroom, what kind of DNA
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Speaker 1: could there be that he couldn't just argue, well, of
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Speaker 1: course I've got DNA at the death scene. I live there. Well,
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Speaker 1: it depends, It depends if she had a cut on
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Speaker 1: her arm, What is that from? Is that from a knife?
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Speaker 1: Is there the perpetrator's DNA anywhere? I mean that that's
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Speaker 1: what they're looking at. Obviously they're not. It can't be
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Speaker 1: just DNA in the bathroom where he may have cut
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Speaker 1: himself shaving. It's got to be in a location or
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Speaker 1: in a condition that raises an evidentiary evidentiary issue about
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Speaker 1: who committed the crime. And I guess under fingernails, I like,
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Speaker 1: if if she had scratched him and got his skin
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Speaker 1: under her fingernails, something like that. Well, then this is
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Speaker 1: the races. The other question, if they've got that kind
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Speaker 1: of DNA evidence, why is it five years later that
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Speaker 1: they're finally asking for DNA from him? Now? Another thing.
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Speaker 1: The handyman Will Gonzalez call nine one one and he said, quote,
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Speaker 1: my boss is flat on the floor in her bedroom.
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Speaker 1: She has a cut on her arm. She's not answering.
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Speaker 1: So what he saw first is the cut. That's interesting, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it makes the cut bigger than than otherwise might have been.
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Speaker 1: That it was an obvious He thought that's what her
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Speaker 1: problem was. He probably didn't see the gunshots. And what's
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Speaker 1: so sad about the husband auctioning off his former wife's belongings.
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Speaker 1: Friends came forward and bought them, bought a lot of
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Speaker 1: them in order to give them to the daughter. That's
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Speaker 1: just a shame that he would not let her pick
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Speaker 1: what she wanted before he auctioned things off. That's very hurtful.
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Speaker 1: I gotta say stupid too, because if you think about it,
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Speaker 1: if he did the killing, which you probably think he did,
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Speaker 1: he no, no, I'm not. He has not been named
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Speaker 1: with suspect. He has not Maybe between your ears though,
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Speaker 1: let's just be honest here, Nancy. You've not said it,
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