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John Forslund is on the call: Landeskog's huge moment, goaltending drama and our Sinners review. · NHL Unscripted with Virk and Demers

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  Speaker 1: NHL Unscripted is a production of the NHL and iHeart Podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Episode twenty three of NHL Unscripted coming at jan Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup playfs continue to get crazier and crazier.
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  Speaker 1: We love all sports when it comes to hockey. That
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  Speaker 1: first round there's only one credo. You can expect the
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  Speaker 1: unexpected before we get to what's been just a wild
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  Speaker 1: first round so far. Shout out to Little Team Dinner,
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  Speaker 1: little little morale building, me and Jason Demur's lunch at Brelli's,
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  Speaker 1: a famous spot in seacawk Is on Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Had a great time, little Lunch, Little how are you
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  Speaker 2: get to know you?
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  Speaker 1: Only thing is Jady felt? If you were missing towel
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  Speaker 1: probably should have zoomed in. Tell at some point Little
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  Speaker 1: Team retreat.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so much shit talking going on about towel behind
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  Speaker 3: his back is the best in the beautiful sunny coca.
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  Speaker 4: That's great.
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  Speaker 2: Tell.
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  Speaker 1: If we had FaceTime, Hey, me and Ji are having lunch,
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  Speaker 1: would you have joined her? Like I'm busy, guys, I
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  Speaker 1: don't need to join this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well thanks for the invite. First off, I may
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  Speaker 5: be across the country, but I mean at least pretend
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  Speaker 5: that I don't even have an extra media guy, how
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna get that good point? No, of course I
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  Speaker 5: would have chimed in if you if I if I
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  Speaker 5: will be wondering what's going on. If I got a
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  Speaker 5: sudden FaceTime from the two of you, but some.
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  Speaker 2: Second you'd be alarmed by that, I would be confused
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  Speaker 2: but excited.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, I absolutely would have come in and and uh,
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  Speaker 5: watched you guys eat Italian food.
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  Speaker 4: Would have been fun.
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  Speaker 3: Now listen to this. So both of our orders weren't
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  Speaker 3: Italian food. One was I got a burger, but asked
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  Speaker 3: me that you get to answer this tal So Adnn
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  Speaker 3: gets the salmon with a salad and we're talking and
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  Speaker 3: he's almost done, but he kind of takes his hand
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  Speaker 3: away from the plate and he turns to talk to
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  Speaker 3: me and this woman who there was no one else
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  Speaker 3: in the restaurant but us, and she comes and grabs
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  Speaker 3: the plate and it was basically throws at the food.
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  Speaker 3: Do you say anything in that moment or do you
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  Speaker 3: be like, oh, I missed my like I missed my
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  Speaker 3: opportunity because the food is in the garbage, and ad
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  Speaker 3: ends like, do I say something?
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  Speaker 4: Ship Now, most of.
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  Speaker 2: Us grew up middle class. You had to finish your
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  Speaker 2: meal as a child.
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  Speaker 1: That has stayed with me as an adult, as the
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  Speaker 1: father children, I finished my meal every goddamn time.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just if you were to saund like I
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  Speaker 2: was legitimate. I looked at di Herse like I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: say something like you can't do what did you take?
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  Speaker 4: Say?
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  Speaker 2: Are you done? And then they take it. You're just
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  Speaker 2: fucking take it away. No.
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  Speaker 5: The second I see a hand reaching for my plate,
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  Speaker 5: I don't care if there's a single sesame seed left.
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  Speaker 4: On it if I'm gonna eat that.
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  Speaker 5: If I'm eating that sesame seed, as soon as I
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  Speaker 5: see the hand coming, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa. I was overpriced salmon and salad all in
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  Speaker 2: every last cruton. If you don't mind, absolutely, I'll lick
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  Speaker 2: it clean.
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  Speaker 3: If I want to do not judge raise salmon, this
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  Speaker 3: overpriced farm raised salmon.
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  Speaker 1: Glad run the same page. By the way, John fors
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  Speaker 1: is gonna join us. He's obviously standing. Played by playman
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  Speaker 1: Colin Hockey for forty years. Far as he has great
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  Speaker 1: stories tell if you missed it, co directed a documentary,
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  Speaker 1: co produced one about the whaler. She's got whaler stories,
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  Speaker 1: but also he called the Landiscog game, which we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: refer to it as an avalanche win in game four.
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  Speaker 1: He's also great, great stories as a broadcaster and just
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  Speaker 1: his life in hockey. Plus all three of us for
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  Speaker 1: Cinophon sixty have all seen Sinners number one movie at the theater,
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  Speaker 1: so I cannot wait to hear JD's thoughts and Dallas
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  Speaker 1: thoughts as well. But gotta give flowers and Nostra demurrs
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  Speaker 1: because when it came to Gabriel Landeskog, jays is gonna
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  Speaker 1: make a big impact. And I felt a little skeptical,
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  Speaker 1: like Mike rupp I don't want to misquote Ruppert, but
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  Speaker 1: his point was, hey, game's a great guy. I know
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  Speaker 1: it's an emotional lyft, but as far as actual hockey,
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  Speaker 1: what can you do if you're not playing for a
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  Speaker 1: thousand days? And the answer is he scores an absolute
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  Speaker 1: beautiful goal and gives an emotional lift. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot to get to Jay, but I think of just
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  Speaker 1: moments right now. If you told me Landskog, who's been
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  Speaker 1: really one of the bright shining lights that I think
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  Speaker 1: of hockey the last few years as a class act
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  Speaker 1: to see what happened postgame, crowd chanting his name Avalanche
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  Speaker 1: back in that series against Dallas.
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  Speaker 2: That was a great moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole everything, that crescendo of him scoring there,
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  Speaker 3: but all the build up to it. You know, we
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  Speaker 3: did a show on the day before his goal on
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  Speaker 3: NHL Network on NHL Now and it was miked up
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  Speaker 3: of his first game and you had like miked up
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  Speaker 3: moments of all the Dallas stars guys that going up
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  Speaker 3: to being like, hey, congratulations, welcome back. Just to show
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  Speaker 3: you like how much bigger than hockey this actually was.
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  Speaker 3: And as athletes, you know, you always want to write
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  Speaker 3: your own story and you don't want to be you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to let injuries kind of pull you out
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  Speaker 3: of things. And it's always you know, I had some
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  Speaker 3: severe injuries and it hurts your soul because you know
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  Speaker 3: you're doing everything right, and it's sometimes it's just a
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  Speaker 3: fluke accident like it was for Gabriel Landeskog. He gets
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  Speaker 3: cut with a skate and it's two years of hell
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  Speaker 3: for him. So he comes out of this and we
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  Speaker 3: all recognize that as players, even though we're still competing
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  Speaker 3: and trying to kill him. You know, in a playoff atmosphere,
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  Speaker 3: you're still respect of the dedication, the discipline, the grind
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  Speaker 3: to come back because mentally that just drains on you
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  Speaker 3: what he had to go through. I'm sure, and so
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  Speaker 3: credit to him. And I mean I did I knew
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  Speaker 3: he was going to be impactful. I didn't know how impactful.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, Nate McKinnon talked after last game and
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  Speaker 3: was like, he's blown past all of our expectations. And
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  Speaker 3: I think all of us are sitting at home being like,
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  Speaker 3: holy crap. But it goes to show you that. And
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  Speaker 3: I always got upset with franchises and organizations because they'll
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  Speaker 3: look at a guy that's out for like a year
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  Speaker 3: injured and they'll be like, well, he can never play again,
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  Speaker 3: like the John Klingberg's like, you know, like Gabriel Landiskog,
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  Speaker 3: E've been out for a while. They're like, ah, these
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  Speaker 3: guys can't come back. But I'm like, you never lose
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  Speaker 3: your hockey IQ if you have it. I understand if
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  Speaker 3: like you're kind of a bubble guy and you get
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  Speaker 3: one of those bad injuries, that's kind of a career killer.
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  Speaker 3: But when you're a top end talent with good hockey iq.
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  Speaker 3: You can find your way back from an injury just
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  Speaker 3: because through your smarts alone. And Gabrie Landiskog is a
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  Speaker 3: very smart player. Now he looks faster than before he
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  Speaker 3: got injured, which is is crazy to me, and he
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  Speaker 3: looks even stronger. But his hockey IQ's there. Like that
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  Speaker 3: goal of brock Nelson, you know, he could have drove
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  Speaker 3: through the middle, missed his opportunity. No, he just pulled
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  Speaker 3: up enough and hit that kind of sweet spot, that
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  Speaker 3: quiet ice, and then he didn't wind up with a
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  Speaker 3: full clapper tickle on the rafters. It was a half clapper.
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  Speaker 3: So there over the glove side top chatdar the way
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  Speaker 3: that a lot. There's not many guys that can do
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  Speaker 3: the play that he did, cross body a little bit
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  Speaker 3: like that. That's very tough to do in that moment,
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  Speaker 3: in that high speed of a game, in that atmosphere.
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  Speaker 3: So and that's just a credit to how good of
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  Speaker 3: a player he is. And I mean, it's such an
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  Speaker 3: amazing story. And they kicked the ship out of Dallas
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  Speaker 3: last game. Oh my god, that's a scary team.
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  Speaker 2: They needed to get back in it and they did so.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you some some crazy moment, Jady
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  Speaker 1: and you kind of riff on whichever one you like.
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  Speaker 1: So we got Nick Cousins and the Auto Centers find
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  Speaker 1: two thousand dollars for firing pucks at Toronto.
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  Speaker 2: Golden and Anthony still aren't during warm.
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  Speaker 4: Ups and they want a cup together. Next thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon hagel Is suspended a game for his brutal hit
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  Speaker 1: on Alexander Barkos.
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  Speaker 3: I was so fucking dirty. Yeah, that passionate about that
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  Speaker 3: warranted the suspension. And then yeah, listen, didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Touch the cup, didn't touch the pill and it wasn't even.
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  Speaker 3: In the same Yeah, I was in the same zip code.
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  Speaker 3: Did the crime, paid the fine, He's off, He's back
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  Speaker 3: next game.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Wilson of the Capitals and Josh Anderson the Habs,
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  Speaker 1: each find five thousand dollars after their fight spilled into
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  Speaker 1: the Washington bench. As Spencer Carberry said, I was looking
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  Speaker 1: at exit and saw what was going on.
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  Speaker 2: Immediately to the youtub Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, those two big bears just and I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what happened, a slash or something that started that,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, that battle is probably the best thing
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  Speaker 3: that I've watched in the first round of.
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  Speaker 2: That's number one, that's ahead of latis.
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  Speaker 4: Go and well, here's the reason why. It's it was
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  Speaker 4: so old school.
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  Speaker 3: But they're like matching up against each other every game
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  Speaker 3: and after every whistle, it's like there's a game within
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  Speaker 3: the game. They seem to really genuinely dislike each other
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  Speaker 3: or both of their you know, it's like both of
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  Speaker 3: their goals. From their coaching staff to them or the
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  Speaker 3: probably the message to them was like, you have to
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  Speaker 3: make sure Tom Wilson's not effective. To Josh Anderson, they're
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  Speaker 3: telling him, you know, saying that he's like, Josh, you
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  Speaker 3: gotta make sure Tom Wilson is so rattled and does
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  Speaker 3: not want to play hockey because he wants to kill you.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sure Tom Wilson was the same thing to
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  Speaker 3: Josh Anderson, because both those guys have the capability to
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  Speaker 3: affect the game.
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  Speaker 4: They're fast, they're.
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  Speaker 3: Strong, they hit, and it's just insane that they've just
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  Speaker 3: been battling. Like I am sure at the end of
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  Speaker 3: this playoff series they are taking some hits and it
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  Speaker 3: just seems like they're killing each other. There's like they
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  Speaker 3: don't even know where the bucket is half the time.
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  Speaker 3: They just want to fight, hit, cross check each other.
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  Speaker 3: I guarantee you the start of next season they're fighting.
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  Speaker 3: They're dropping the gloves because it's been a war. And
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  Speaker 3: I mean it capped it off with like, I mean
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  Speaker 3: that Montreal Washington series is a very fun series. They're
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  Speaker 3: making it. I think they're given Washington all they can handle.
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  Speaker 3: And a big credit to Josh Anderson, as Talwood said,
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  Speaker 3: As tal said before the show playoff, Josh Anderson is
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  Speaker 3: a site to be seen.
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  Speaker 1: But the haves need to win Game four. Like it's
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  Speaker 1: been a fun series. But now that it's down three
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  Speaker 1: to one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we can talk about it right now. Yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we can talk about I'm so weird with the timeline.
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  Speaker 1: Do you get No, you just can't say tonight, Yeah, Telsey,
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  Speaker 1: you can't say tonight to which you can say game
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  Speaker 1: four after Game four is lost?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, after Game four?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I feel like I'm breaking the fourth wall too
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  Speaker 3: much here all the fans at home. Uh but yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: game four that's a killer for them.
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  Speaker 2: But you're leading after what are you doing it? Did
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  Speaker 2: you lose five to you had the.
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  Speaker 4: Love Tom Well? Tom Wilson got away.
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  Speaker 3: He absolutely truck sticked Alexander Carrier and they went down
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  Speaker 3: and do Brandon Newham goes down and scores right after that.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the Tom Wilson effect. That's what Josh Anderson
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  Speaker 3: I think did such a good job of minimizing this
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  Speaker 3: playoff series. But it's only a matter of time. You
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  Speaker 3: can kind of, you know, protect against them, but you
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  Speaker 3: cannot deny the craziness that is Tom Wilson in a
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  Speaker 3: playoff game because he is just off a leash, gone.
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  Speaker 2: A couple moreneads. Your thoughts, like Kings cost themselves, there's.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps the oilers A baffling Golden Er interference challenge cost
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  Speaker 1: him Game three against Edmonton.
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  Speaker 2: What's the thought here for Jim Hiller?
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  Speaker 3: Oh worst, one of the worst coaching called. I understand
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  Speaker 3: the set of meant that one of the worst coaching
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  Speaker 3: calls I've seen for a goal interference. You know, Darcy
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  Speaker 3: Kemper's like on his stomach. I know, the first swipe
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  Speaker 3: at it from a Van Kink kind of pushes his pad,
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  Speaker 3: but he's like, there's he's getting pushed into the net.
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  Speaker 3: There's not enough there. And I don't understand at that
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  Speaker 3: moment you're tied, You've been kind of dominating all game
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  Speaker 3: in all series, and then you allow them a power
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  Speaker 3: play and you allow their power play to wake up.
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  Speaker 3: And then Evan Bouchard just with this amazing little set
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  Speaker 3: play and I know they asked Leon after the game,
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  Speaker 3: like did you guys plan that? That was a plan
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  Speaker 3: play with a fake like a little drop pass, and
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  Speaker 3: then Evan Bouchard just continued on. I think it was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, beautifully executed, but again just a poor though.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of the calls where we're like, you're on
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  Speaker 3: the bench and all the guys are probably looking back
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  Speaker 3: like like don't don't fucking call that, Like let's just
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: go play like we're fine, Like we're fine, and then
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  Speaker 3: it just game over and now you've got Edmonton's got
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  Speaker 3: momentum now exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And last one for you, Matthew kud Chuck was one
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  Speaker 1: of my stars. Last week's Intel strip is a late
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  Speaker 1: hit on Jake against fair.
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  Speaker 3: Foul penalty warranted. I was like, you know, if because
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  Speaker 3: there is the past puck versus the Hegel hit, because
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  Speaker 3: you kind of compared to that not worth the suspension
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  Speaker 3: he got the five minutes. I think that's you know,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't get anything extra but I think it was
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  Speaker 3: warranted the amount. I think you couldn't argue that it
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  Speaker 3: was as malicious as Brandon Hagel's, Like Brandon Hagel's was
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  Speaker 3: fucking that.
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  Speaker 4: Was that was dirty, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: His eyes are staring at the back of Barkov's head
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  Speaker 3: the whole time like he was, you know, a Thanksgiving dinner.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, as far as bad hits go, that
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  Speaker 1: is the case when it comes to Kashak.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The other big storyline, of course, has been goaltending, and
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  Speaker 1: I generally find if I don't have dogglar race, I
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  Speaker 1: don't like it when great regular.
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  Speaker 2: Season performers don't perform well in the playoffs.
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: So Clayton kersh all the Dodgers like he's one of
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: the greatest pitchers ever in regular season baseball history, and
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs he's never been that guy. Finally won
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: the World Series a few years ago, but again, Curse's
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: numbers are not the same. So with Gards to Connor Hallibuck,
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  Speaker 1: it's very tough to reconcile Jay that he's gonna win
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  Speaker 1: his third Vesna, which no one's done since Martaan Broa Dure.
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  Speaker 1: He's what a heart trophy, which is very rarefied here
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  Speaker 1: Josie Theodore, Kerry Price, et cetera. And yet my man
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: is not bringing it in the playoffs again, Leaky Helly
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  Speaker 1: pulled in two straight games after living eleven goals in
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  Speaker 1: Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 2: Now I get it. Blues have won four t street
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  Speaker 2: at home.
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  Speaker 1: They've been unbelievable on home ice, which in a two
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  Speaker 1: oh series lead and what's been a tightling contested game,
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  Speaker 1: now you shot the bed and the Blues.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: Are right back in business. What is going on with Hellibuck?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's And I was banging on
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: this drum this year of like, I'm sick of him
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  Speaker 3: playing so many games and them saying like, oh, because
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  Speaker 3: his style, it doesn't fatigue him. I'm sorry, but it's
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  Speaker 3: different level in playoffs. You know, you're playing sixty games
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  Speaker 3: a year, sixty five a year, whatever the number was
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  Speaker 3: for him, But he's playing the most in the league.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but his ceiling, like he's not given himself
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  Speaker 3: any room to like elevate his game. And whether you
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  Speaker 3: can tell me that he takes care of himself and
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  Speaker 3: he drinks a lot of water and he's hydrated and
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  Speaker 3: he's eating right and sleeping. Once you get to the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: it's a different level. It's a different level of fatigue
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  Speaker 3: and you're not doing yourself in any favors playing down
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  Speaker 3: the stretch, like playing the majority of the games. They
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  Speaker 3: need a backup that you know, they had Lauren Boswa
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  Speaker 3: last year and you know they won the Jennings Trophy
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  Speaker 3: together and he still didn't play that much. Of Eric Comery,
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  Speaker 3: I know he struggled this year when he played, but
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  Speaker 3: you need to find a backup because I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if it's ego or it's the organization that pushes this,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, you can't tell me that it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: affect him come playoff time.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not just playoffs, it's a row on the road.
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  Speaker 3: He's like one in six with an under eight hundred
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  Speaker 3: save percentage, just disgusted, like he can't stop anything. And
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  Speaker 3: I listened. He's a Vestna Trophy winner. Can't discount what
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  Speaker 3: he done, what he did in the season, but not
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  Speaker 3: being able to get to the next level for me
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  Speaker 3: is concerning. I'd rather have a goalie that's five hundred
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  Speaker 3: and we limp into the playoffs and then picks up
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  Speaker 3: his game come playoff time, versus a guy that gets
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  Speaker 3: this number one seed then shits the bed once we
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  Speaker 3: start going. And you know, it's also a little bit
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: of how they play in front of him. But again,
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the day, if he
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: they got home ice for a reason, all they got
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: to do is win their home games and they win
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: the series. But you know, Saint Louis, him being this
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: bad on the road is concerning because what if you're
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: looking at if I'm winning pack, it's like one game
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: lost at home, we're dead, you know, because they're going
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: to end up they'll finish us off just because he's
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: that bad on the road.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: I asked, Jet, said coach scott 'neil about it, and
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: I says, I already thought this was. You know, maybe
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: in mid March, Hey, save Helbuck for the playoffs and
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: he goes, you know, and kind of what you said,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: he goes. He's the type that likes to play a lot,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: works a lot, he's in great conditioning, etc. I said,
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: do you have to fight him when you don't play?
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, like I do. The schedule like
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: three weeks in advance, go Hey, this second back to
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: back you're not playing hereyet not playing. He wants to
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: go as much as he can, and it makes me think,
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: working right, you've got to save the player from himself.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Sometimes again, like a picture is like I can keep
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: going skip, No, you're done five inning, Sea, I can
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: already tell your taler. You got to be able to
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: make that decision as a coach, and I think it
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: would be too desperate and gut check to do it.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: But would you have the stones to start Comry for
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: game five?
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it because to me then you've lost heellibuck,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: you're basically I don't believe it would anyhow.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: You can't.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: There's no possible way you could start Comray. It's over
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: if you do, and you're quitting you. Unfortunately, because of
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: how many games you give him in the season, you
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: are now doing this where you have no other option.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: He is your guy. If he falters at all, you're dead.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: You look at like the Oilers. They're able to go
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: back and forth between two and there's other teams that
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: did it at times in a playoff setting. But again,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: take off fifteen games for him in the season, play
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: fifteen games less or ten games less and that might
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: help him. Maybe it'll piss him off to play better
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: than the playoffs for Christ's sake, because Jesus man, it's
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: like we're all taking Winnipeg every year. Now, We're all
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: just like, well, here we go again. But as a
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: great Chris Pronger said when we had him on Players Only,
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: he just said, you just got to hold home, serve.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: It's like they Saint Louis did their job. They wanted home,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: and Winnipeg's not gonna go do the business at home
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: and and and win in Winnipeg.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: Loved the shoutout to Pronger, also trying to get him
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: on the show.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Freddie Anderson hurt in Game four after collision of Timo Meyer.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Logan Thompson left Game three after a scary collision with
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Dylan Strom. Your boy Samuel Montemble pulls himself out of
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Game three. Montreal miss his Game four by the way,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: most candid athlete ever, Dobish when he said, I was scared.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I was crying after. It was the most emotional. You
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: can't be that honest. I loved it. I loved the candid.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: But you're supposed to be an athlete, I mean roboting
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I was scared shitless.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I cried.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: He's been he's been good too. He's uh, he stepped up.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Game four I don't think wasn't great, but it ended bad.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: But you know, early on in that game he was stellar.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: So I mean it's tough. But Montin bout pulling himself.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: He must have been bad. If he's pulling himself, and
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I mean Logan Thompson to play uh in game four, yeah,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: is is ludicrous. His his acl was in the tenth row,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: like did you not see? It was crazy? He looked
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: like uh, he looked like a contortionist.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: The way you said it was like Christopher Walket. It's crazy.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: How could he do this? That's crazy?
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: But you mentioned Edmonton's golden Well, let's in complete this array.
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: Skinner Pickard, that's a mess. That's an I there's here's
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: the thing for me. You're playing Calvin Pickard in game four.
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: That's it for me. For Stuart Skinner.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: If I'm now, if I'm Stuart Skinner or I'm the
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Edmonton Oilers, this is it for me, Like why would
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: you try to re sign him? And if I'm Stuart Skinner,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: why do you want to stay there? Because there's obviously
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: no confidence both ways. And you're going to Calvin Pickard.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: They need to go get a goalie. They need to
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: go get a legitimate goalie. Calvin Pickard's proved that he's
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: one of the best backup goalies, but he's still not
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: a starter. Stuart Skinner is you showed no confidence in him.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: If they went back to him tonight not tonight. I
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: can't say tonight. I'm breaking the fourth wall, folks. If
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: they went back to him in game four, I would
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: be like, Okay, this is fine. But the fact that
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: you go back to Calvin Pickard in game four is
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: just goes to show he still gave up four in
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the last game.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Game four. You need to go back to Skinner. They don't.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: They elect to go with Calvin Pickard, and Bob's your uncle.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Stuart Skinner should say see you later and he should
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: be on his way.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Carrie alma we u.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's definitely a fair point, minus the singing. That's the
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: story when it comes to gold thing right now in
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the first round. Hey, but I know I gotta give
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you a love on one thing you're singing.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I don't care for it. Well, I do give one
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: big shot to you and this is underrated skill you have.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: You mentioned this earlier on.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: The pod saw his Shell now Harmonic Kings and you
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: played the harmonica, which you've said before that you could.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: You gotta bring the harmonica on this set sometimes.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Will Yeah, I'll bring it on.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Uh, I'll bring it on next show because I'm too
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: lazy to walk over.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: To my That's fine. I want to bring it on
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: and play.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was just playing some Uh what was
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: that playing the other day? I was playing a couple
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: of couple of ditties like you can keep.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Doing the headfield, but I want I wouldn't mind a
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: harmonica open if you don't mind. I don't mean just
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: makes makes it like John Popper here.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe maybe I'll record.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'll record our opener instead of us using stock
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: stock audio.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: By the way, picker jazz audio.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Picker did start gaing for tonight, by the way, so
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: it's just to be clear, right, Yeah, you're saying see
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you all right?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: John Forst is coming up next. Hey, Hey, what do
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you say? That's hockey baby? What's the origin of his catchphrases?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And what was it like called whalers games and now
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the sal Kracken and of course his favorite job at
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Amazon Prime.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: The great John Forstan is next coming up after this
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: our guest this week.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: One of the most recognizable and accomplished play by play
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: voices in hockey. He started out in nineteen ninety one
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: with the Hartford Whalers, continued with that franchise after they
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: became the Carolin Hurricanes, for becoming the voice of the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Seattle Crack only enter the league, and of course made
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: his debut on Amazon Prime Monday Night Hockey.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I am slightly biased.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: He's my teammate on Amazon, but I don't think there's
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: a better play by play man in the sport of
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: hockey and arguably in entire sports than John Forest. Has
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: been a pleasure getting to know him, not only as
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a loving father and a wonderful husband and just a
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: hell of a teammate.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: John forst When you think of hockey, you think of
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: this man. Foresy, welcome to HL and scripted, My friend.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: That's well, at least you got the dates right in
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: say eighteen ninety one, so that's good man. I appreciate that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: But boys, thanks so much for having me. Jason, great
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: to see you, and we're gonna we're gonna have a
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: ball here.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for the whaler stories, but we gotta
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: start current fores you well, you've give me some great
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: about just you know, I'm gonna ask you for the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: pizza Dorkwood story, so get that ready. But Gabriel Landiskog,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: what a wonderful story to be back for the Alex
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to score that call that game?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: How cool was that?
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Unbelievable? It was? And I'm proud of how we did it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: It's really a three way contribution. We'll get the broadcast
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: out of the way. First, it's the moment. The moment
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: was shocking. There was a tremendous shot. To see him
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: have the impact he's had in two games is incredible.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: And then the way Eddie filled with the information needed
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: after the goal was scored. Jody kind of captured the
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: essence as an ex player between the benches of what
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: that was like down there. But by and large, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: I think you know, ad Nan, you and I can
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: relate to it a little bit. But Jason knows because
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: he played, and he knows the inner workings of a room,
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: and he knows when a player of that stature is
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: injured like that. And you're a teammate, and he's a
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: family member, and you're going through this with him and
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: you're feeling his pain, you're feeling his depression, you're feeling
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: everything that Gabe went through to get here. It's remarkable.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: So I think it's one of the greatest comeback stories
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: in all of sports, never mind dockey, when you're take
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: in consideration the seriousness of the injury, the surgery, the
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: fact that not many hockey players, if any, have gone
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: through this, uh, and what he had to do to
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: get back to this spot and over a thousand days
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: to score that goal and it was a beautiful roof
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: job right, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful shot.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I mean so good to have you on this show.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: And you know now that I've dipped my tone of
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: the water a little bit on the commentating play by play,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: color commentary and just being enamored by this side of
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the game. And I always like to ask, like a
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: moment that big, you know, and you know the backstory
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: of this, and because you're so professional, you kind of
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: know the the moments that's that come afterwards, Like for you,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: is it less is more? Or is there a cadence
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: that you'd like to follow or is it? Very much
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: just like what's the secret sauce for you? Capturing those
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: kind of big moments.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: I've learned and sometimes the hard way that as a broadcaster,
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: the bigger the moment, the less is needed. You know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: when when when Joe Buck said see you tomorrow or
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: whatever that call was, see it tomorrow night. That's all
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: you need. If people don't know what you mean, well
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: they'll figure it out. In this case, people have asked
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: me since last night, you know, did you think of
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: that before?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: No.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: First of all, I had to make sure it was
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Landeskog and not are Terry Lekkinen. You know, from our
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: viewpoint in Ballerina it's not the best. And they have
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: this cable camera that goes back and forth on a
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: sling shot that takes away your vision. And that thing
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: was in the vicinity when Nelson made the pass and
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: then Landeskog gets a shot off, and instinctively I came
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: out with you know, the guess who? And then you
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: let it breathe a little bit, and then Eddie came
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: in with the film. I mean, if that was me
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: twenty years ago, I might have rattled off the amount
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: of days and what he had gone through by the
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: time I got done the call, I hope would have
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: would have been okay, but I don't know if it
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: was would have been all right. I mean, I just
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: think the bigger the game, the less you need, you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: And as we go deeper in the playoffs, you don't
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: need all the window dressing on gold calls. You just
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: need the goal. The crowd's gonna take care of the
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: rest of it, and the faces of the guys, the
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: dejection on one side, the jubilation on the other side.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: You know you're gonna take care of all.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: That all right before you ask the question at I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: just that it's such a powerful statement though, when you
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: listen to that, the bigger the game, the less is needed.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I gin, that's so cooled.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Dan RWs Andowski and Randy Hank kind of told me
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: something similar, So I just love that you kind of
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: echoed that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Go ahead and no, it's one hundred percent true, There's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: no question about it. It's interesting.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: For see, I know how hard you work, how much
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you prepare.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: You're diligently working not only in the crack of but
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: also with us on Amazon also TNT. One of my
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: favorite moments of working with you was. You're in Denver,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm telling you how great cal mccarr interview was.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And I said, I asked him the fact that he
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was named it for Kale Houlse, And without missing a beat,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: you just looked at you.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Kale Holse number thirty two, like you have such an
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: unbelievable He.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Also player scored like a career eighty two HL. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you have kill Holt's number memorizer.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but where.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Does that stem from?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: How that is so hard to memorize names and numbers
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: day after day and the pronunciations and the detail.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: How do you do it?
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Well? You want me to go nineteen seventy five Philadelphia
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: Flyers number two, Well number one, Bernie Parant number two,
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: Ed van Imp number three, Tom Blayden number four, Barry
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: Ashby number five, Larry Goodenough number six, Moves Stupont number seven,
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: Bill Barber number eight, Dave Schultz. I'll stop there, what
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: I okay? Okay? So, I mean I've always had this
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: stupid knack since I was a little boy, and my
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: mom was really great. You know, my mom was like
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: trying to figure out what the hell she was going
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: to do with me and where she was going to
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: point me in the right direction because I loved sports,
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: played played various sports and was okay in some of
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: them and others not. But for me, my dad and
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: I had a connection with with hockey as a connection
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: for us to go to games and Springfield, Massachusetts, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: that was our time together. And then my mom was
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: figuring out how I was going to read more because
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: I didn't like to read. All I wanted to do
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: was go out and play. I wasn't any different than
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: anybody else, right, But she knew, you know, hey, maybe
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: this thing you're doing off the TV and I was
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: calling games. I was like eight nine years old, maybe
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: you need to read the history of hockey. And I did,
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: and then I could remember things. So I've always had,
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: you know, somewhat of a photographic memory, and it helps
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: in this racket. It really does.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Talk to me about calling games and Springfield, mass because
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I got to play Worcester, mass.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, hot spot, Springfield, Yeah, Yeah, I got to play
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: the Falcon.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I wanted to play the Falcons at the time. Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Just talk about that experience coming up and not in
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: your hometown as well, calling games there.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: Never thought it would happen. It was really an accident.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: I got a chance in nineteen eighty four. The owner
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: of the team was a guy named Peter Cooney, and
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: he needed some help in the front office. And I
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: was coming out of grad school and just looking for
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: an internship and I all my experience Jay's broadcasting was
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: in my living room with my dad. Is my color
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: guy from like age eight to like sixteen. When I
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: got too cool for it and I wasn't going to
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: do this anymore and he wasn't taking the job seriously,
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: so I basically fired him. So that was the end
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: of that. But what ended up happening was Peter asked me,
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: you can come do your internship with us and work
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: in the front office. Have any broadcast experience? I said, yeah,
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: I got a ton. And he never asked me for
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: who or where or a sample or anything. And he
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: let me do some color. And the guy that was
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: calling the games wasn't cut out for and he left
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: after a year, and I got the gig and that
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: was it, and it was on the job training. And
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: the nineteen eighties in the American Hockey League were absolutely stellar.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: It was an unbelievable experience. I mean, you didn't have
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: any credit unless you're coming out of the Western League
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: with about three hundred pims, you know, like it was.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: It was, It was legitimate. Every night was like the
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: things that we look you know, like the nine sec
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: at the Four Nations where everybody was going, Wow, this
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: is the greatest thing I've ever seen. We saw that
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: every night. I mean you saw that when a team
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: was like in a three game slide, they'd have to
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: have a bench clearing brawl to get out of it,
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: you know, to come together. Different era, lots of fun.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: The boys were great to me, a lot of lifelong
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: friends that I still have to this day from those teams.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: We won two championships at the end of my run.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: It was seven years there, back to back with two
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: different affiliates, and I got a lot of stories, including
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: a brawl in nineteen eighty seven that lasted about twenty
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: five minutes and had had four I believe four NHL coaches,
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Todd McClellan, Bruce Boudreau, Mark Crawford, and Claude Julian all playing.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: In the game.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, in the fight, Yeah, And McClelland showed it to
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: the Sharks a few years ago. They were kind of
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: in a Yeah, and it was it's nineteen eighty seven,
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: it's me before puberty. I don't sound anything like this,
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: and it is. It's remarkable. And it was just an
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: all out brawl with a head budding incident and a
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: lot of things. And it actually the it was on
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: television and the resolution that's available on YouTube isn't that bad,
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: so look into it. It's it's quite an epic brawl.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: And anyway, he showed it to the Sharks before a
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: game and he was like, I got to show you
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: guys something. It was him in this brawl with all
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: these other guys. Is remarkable. Yeah, Springfield Indians fredericton Express
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: Back in the Day nineteen eighty seven special.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah are our producer tal Ponchowski.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: John just co directed and co produced a documentary about
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the Whalers. And I texted you in our Amazon friends
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: that great clip of the final game on a meaningless night,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: a game that has so much meaning.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: First off, great turn of phrase. Secondly, what was that
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: night like?
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: Well, the day, I mean I remember just about everything
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: about it. I mean the first of all, was a
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: total shock to us that worked for the team that
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: was actually going to happen. They kept us in the
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: dark on all of this. We actually found out my
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: wife and I middle of March, Patrick Wahsted on his head.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: I think the whale outshot Colorado like forty eight seventeen.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: Lost the game three. Nothing went home, had something to eat,
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: turned down the local news, and there it was live
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: from Capitol Hill. The Whalers are moving. That's how I
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: found out. No one that I worked with had told
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: us there wasn't an organizational meeting or anything like that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: So once you get through that, it's about another month
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: before the last game, three weeks or so, and I
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: remember driving into the arena that day. It was an
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: afternoon game. And this is going to sound hokey or
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: like made up, but it's not. There was a dark
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: cloud over the Hartford Civic Center and it was this
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: isolated front that was rolling through and basically it was
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: a nice sunny day. And then all of a sudden,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: as I drove in. I'll never forget that. And then
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: we did the game, and that open accidentally organically came
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: to me. I didn't plan that. I didn't know what
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: the hell I was going to say. We had these
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: production meetings about this game, you know, the day before
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: and the day of how are we going to present this?
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: And we had to do a very emotional game. It
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: makes sense of it, all right. You couldn't start laboring
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: what was going on or getting lost in the emotion.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: The fans were showing it had to be professional and
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: we and we did so. Years and years later, I
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: watched it all back because I just couldn't. That was tough.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: When a team leaves the city, no matter what the circumstances,
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: it's gut wrenching, it really is. And those people are
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: still bitter about it to this day. You know, there's
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: two sides of the story, but the fans are the
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: ones that get their hearts, you know, ripped out.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: What why? You know?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Even now, it's like such a popular logo in a
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: popular franchise, like what was it about Hartford in your eyes?
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: That just kind of captured the fan base so heavily.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: I wish it was as popular then as it is now.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: We'd still be there, you know, Like it's just it
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: doesn't the Only thing I'll say about it, Jason, is
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: it you know, like it didn't make sense at the time.
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Geographically the market's small Connecticut. If you know anything about Connecticut, right,
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: there's southern Connecticut, which is basically New York, the small area.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Then there's Northern Connecticut, which is you know, covered by
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: western Massachusetts where I grew up. And we're all Bruin fans, like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: we didn't care for the WHA that was a renegade league.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: They were ransacking players from the American League at the time,
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: which is hurting our franchise in Springfield. So this was like,
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: you know, the Whalers were drawing from a small geographic area,
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: the marketing potential really wasn't there, and then he had
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: building issues. So Peter Carmenis came in as a new owner,
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: with I believe Gary steering him in other ways because
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: Gary was ahead of it. Gary was seeing where the
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: country is going population wise, to the southern belt, and
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: you had to expand the league then more than just
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: Canada and the Northeast because you couldn't lure national sponsors.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: So in the nineties, this was the vision for the NHL,
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: along with somehow grinding the players into a salary cap
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: because he felt that had to happen too. Those are
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: the two things when he took over in ninety three,
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: spread the league out, get to Texas and Arizona and
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Florida in the south and get to California more. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: then he told the owners, we have to somehow get
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: off a free market system, which they did, and that's
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: a different conversation, but he was successful in doing that
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: and that was not easy. And you know, look where
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: we are today. I think we're headed in a great direction. Right.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: One thing that's so impressive about you, John, is you've
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: called hockey for forty years. You're a man of a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: certain age, and yet you have a great knack for
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: connecting with young audiences. And I think it's because of
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: your passion, your enthusiasm, and a couple of all time
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: great catchphrases. That's hockey, baby, even better best, Hey, Hey,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: what do you say? And as you've told me, the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: best phrases come with a personal connection, because that's what
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: my dad used to say.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, my dad said that to everybody. Used to meet.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: He said it to us on the ball field, you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: he coached baseball and that was his big thing. And again,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: as I said earlier, my dad was my first color man, right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: He was my first analyst and also my best friend.
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: So as I was very fortunate to have a relationship
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: with my father like I had. And so when I
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: got my first job, and this is a little bit
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: of a sad story, but it gets to a point.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: I had my first paycheck as an announcer and we
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: played Rochester that night in Springfield or January nineteen eighty five.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: He was at the game with my mom. I was
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: still living at home at the time with my future
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: wife who's now my wife and still with me forever
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: whatever reason. But anyway, she's upstairs. But anyway, yeah, yeah, okay,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: you said it, not me. So anyway, I come home
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: and just we go out after the game, my wife
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: and I and she's down the basement. I go to
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: my room, I go to sleep whatever. My mom wakes up.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: My dad's dying. I gave him CPR was certified at
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: the time. He passed away at fifty nine. So now
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: I'm starting my career. And this was my mentor, this
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: was my guy. This was a guy that if he
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: was here today, he'd be in the booth with me.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, ads, if he was able to come to
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: Canada with our shows on Monday night, he'd be right.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: They'd probably like you more than me. But you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: this is but anyway, so that was his phrase. So
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: I started to use it on goals in the minor leagues,
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: and then I used it on goals when I thought
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: the game is clinched and over. And then when they
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: won the two Calder Cups, they started to write about it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: I took it with me to the NHL and some
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: people poke holes in it, and that's one that I
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: don't care if they do that. You know, it's a
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: hockey thing or whatever. That's a personal thing for me.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: So now when the games in the bag, in my mind,
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: I tag a goal with it.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: That's when I remember it was in the promos and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I said, of course, you have to use it once
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: a game.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: You said, oh I can't. I only use it very
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: specific time.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, very specific times on that one. And then
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: that's hockey I've been using for years, and that's hockey
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: baby just came together organically. And that too is earmarked
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: for a play that really thrills me. So I'm very
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: selfish on that one. Okay, if if I feel it,
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: then it's coming out, and I'm glad I can use
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: it nationally, you know, Like I really worried about that
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: when I was younger, as a so called national announcer.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: You know, what are you going to do with this stuff?
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: I think it adds something to the game and so
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: and my personality and in the terms of being yourself,
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: I kind of just throw it out there and that's
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: cracking hockey Baby. Just started from the very beginning as
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: a hashtag for all their community involvement before they dropped
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: the puck, and so I've been using it to wins there.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: The team loves it, and but it's also a sarcastic
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: thing because people will get on the old social media
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: when they lose five in a row and say, that's
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: cracking hockey baby.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Listen, they they it's a good thing that there's a
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: lot of new fans because they have struggled kind of
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: the past.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Couple of years.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I always like to talk to the
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: guys that work closely the most, the closest to the team,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: which is you and you see them day in and
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: day out. Kind of what do you see from them
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: and what do you see moving forward from like some
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: players to watch and also just the general outlook at
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: the team.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: Well, as we as we do this, they they are
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: they are searching for identity in a big way. They
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: don't have one, to be fair, the kracking or a
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: team that's right now pretty faceless. They're going through another
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: coaching change. Dan worked hard. Dan got them to play
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: as he was always preaching North and try to open
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: up their game offensively because they struggle to score so
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: much in the third year under Dave Haxtall. But with
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Hackstall in the three years they were top ten defensive
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: team and all the metrics. So they robbed Peter to
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: pay Paul and they lost it and they couldn't defend
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: for my money all season and they look lost in
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: the D zone. And so now whoever the new coaching
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: has to kind of repair that. But I think the
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: Kraken now are finally reaching a breaking point of the
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: original group that was there, and they've really gone hard
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: at drafting and developing, and maybe to a fault. I
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: don't know. I know Ron's game plan, I know what
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: he was attempting to do in Carolina, as some of
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: those fruits are right there now with the Canes and
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: some of it. They've done a good job with the
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: new group to come in and improve on that. But
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: now there's a managerial change or at least a shift
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: in direction now with Jason Botrel and how this relates
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: to Ron as president. So it's really hard for me
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: to decipher all this because when I left town, none
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: of this was on the table, and I really thought
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: Bilesman was going to be given a second year to
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: at least start. But it appears there's some pressure now,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: good pressure. There's fan pressure.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: You need it, Yeah, you need it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: There's fans pressure.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Identity and face they don't have. They're too much of
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: the same. Yes, and no one's kind of emerged as
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: the guy, and they never really established who the face
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: of the.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Team was going to be.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: So it's confusing, I think for everybody.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and and the price point of the tickets in
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: Seattle is pricey, and there's NBA coming down the road
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: here at some point. And when you have two winter
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: teams in the same building, how's that going to go?
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: You know, when the SuperSonics come back and it seems
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: like it's gonna happen, they're gonna take over Seattle, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: the Kraken have to be relevant. The worst thing in
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: pro sports is apathy. You know, you want your fans,
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: you want your fans to be like Leaf fans, like
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: you know, they they they're gonna get ticked off and
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: they're going to have a parade, cancel the parade and
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: do it daily. Okay, but they're always there.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: What we worried about in North Carolina was the ten
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: years they didn't make the playoffs and there's all these
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: red seats and people really care, you know, and even
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: even in San Jose, I think they have to get
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: back to what was the best, one of the best
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: places to play, right.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: It was the but it was the best, right and
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: you can't you can't linger, to your point if you're
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: not a traditional hockey market in a lot of the
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: sense of the word. You cannot linger in a rebuild
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: and you can't think about drafting and develop. You got
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: to do what Vegas does and swing and just keep
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: swinging until there's nothing left.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: It's it's so true.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: The one thing the Kraken do have is that there's
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: major junior hockey there and so there's a little bit
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: of that, and there's Alaska, and there's Oregon, and there's
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: there's you know, there's a vast territory where people are
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: going to come and down from Vancouver, people are going
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: to come to see McDavid and dry Sidle right, because
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: you can't get to Rogers' arena, but they can come
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: to Climate Pledge, so you're always going to have that,
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: So that's going to help them. I don't think it'll
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: ever be a barren wasteland like we're faced with in Raleigh,
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: but I do think you have to show fans direction
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: and you have to really be organized that way, because
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: it's too much of an economic investment for them to
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: come to multiple games. We're talking about people that want
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: to be your lifeline, your season ticket holders, you know,
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: the people that come every once in a while. That's fine,
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: but once you start having attrition on your base, who's
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: replacing the base? Right, That's kind of where it's.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: At rapid fire force. Well, let's get out of here. For
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: first NHL player.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: You were truly starstruck by Bobby or favorite arena to
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: call a game in Bell Center? Worst travel nightmare on
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a road trip?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I have been Game one for Amazon. You were stuck
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: on the Turma.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: No, no, no. The worst one ever was in the
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: early nineties. Can I go a little longer with this answer? Okay,
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: We're in Boston and I'm doing the team travel at
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: the time and doing some radio work for the Whalers,
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: and this first year the Rutherford Carmenis ownership situation and
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: we're playing and this is a lockout here. So it's
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: abbreviated Season forty eight games, nineteen ninety five. Boston. The
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: afternoon cam Neely hat trick or something, you know, Bork.
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: They just shellacked the whale that afternoon. We have to
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: get to Quebec City and it's an all out blizzard
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: in Boston and Quebec and no cell phones at the time.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: So I'm on a landline phone with the commissioner and
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: weather officials in Quebec and both teams. The game's going on.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: I got Chuck Kton next to me, you know, calling
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: the game, asking me on purpose, asking me on purpose.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: When he knows I'm on the phone, Johnny, what do
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: you think of that play? You know, like, you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: thanks a lot. So anyway, I'm trying to figure out.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: I go down the room and Jason knows. The boys
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: just want to chirp you. They want to get onto
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: your skin. They want to see if you've got your shit,
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, your act together, you know, Yeah, they want
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: to make sure you got all this button down all right?
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: For is what are we doing next? Right? I come
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: down there. I got everything under control. What are we doing?
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: We're going to Quincy Market and we're gonna have dinner
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: right now. So the bus gets everybody. We go over
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: there and we get some kind of bar restaurant that
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: gets the guys in there to eat with the general public. No,
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: you know, Ritz Carlton private room. We're gonna wait it out,
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: nothing like that. I'm in what was known as a
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: phone booth. Okay, I'm in now a phone booth on
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: the phone, and I'm being told by our charter company
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: we can make a run for it. There's a small
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: pocket and we're gonna be able to get in. It's
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: a It's a complete white out in Quebec city. So
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: we take off the worst takeoff possible. We get up
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: in the air. The players are all worked up about this.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: He can't see anything. I go up in the jump seat,
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: the only time I've been in the jump seat to
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: see the landing in Quebeca. It looks like the Emerald City.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: We're coming down in oz Oh. This is beautiful. Then
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: we land, We get off the plane. The winds about
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: fifty sixty seventy miles an hour snow going sideways, twelve
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: foot drifts. We get to the chateau front and neck
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: and we finally get to the hotel and I get
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: out and I got the key. I got to get
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: the room keys for Rutherford. And we go to the
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: door and the hotel the facing of the hotel is
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: covered in snow. I go to the wrong door. It's
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: not even the front door. He's right behind me. What
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: are we doing? Now? You got an answer for this,
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: I said, Jamie, we gotta go down here were the
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: wrong door. Anyway, we get in. So that was a nightmare,
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: and anyway that might have been the worst. But there's
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: always travel mishaps. You can't get away from that dream.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Broadcast partner dead or alive.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Oh my god. I'll just pick up play by play
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: guy because he was my icon when I was a kid,
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Dan Kelly. You know, Dan Kelly gave me advice just
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: before he unfortunately passed away in the late nineties. Jimmy
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: Roberts and he were best friends, and he's the guy
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: that told me. I told the story on the air
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: in Saint Louis this year. During that our homice access
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: right at the Blues game that he told me, never
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: sell a goal down, no matter who you're working for
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: or big save. Don't get dejected. If you're calling a
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: team game and somebody makes a beautiful play, don't say
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: and he shoots, he scores, we lost the game. You know,
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: give it a little bit of juice, give it more
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: in the home side. But he said, there's nothing like
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: a goal and there's nothing like a save in hockey.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: Those are the crowning moments, So deliver it. So anyway
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: he'd be I'd like to do a game with him.
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: He wouldn't be a partner from a color standpoint, But
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: I've got too many partners to go into that. Broadcast partners,
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: broadcast partners to go into. Yeah, Eddie, Ed'll be in
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: the front. I'll get a call as soon as this
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: thing drops. Yeah, no, no good.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: And last one, one word that describes playoff hockey.
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: The greatest, the greatest. There's not thing there's nothing like.
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: It is the best, the best there is. We love
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: other sports, but come on now, there's nothing better than
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: a playoff game.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: There isn't the best, nothing better than John Forz and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: calling that playoff game. Honored to call him, a teammate,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a friend on Amazonia and Airmont Turner. You me and
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Marco going to a Red Sox game this summer.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Until then. Great job Fordsy, thank.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: You buddy, Thank you boys, Thanks for having me.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Headfield bringing us into Cinephile and sixty once again thanks
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: to John Foreslan a superb play by play guy Sinners.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Right now, it's a number one movie at the box office.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: It made forty eight million dollars opening weekend. Great and
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I get by Demurz last week in which he pointed
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: out Ryan Coogler, the director who's made Black Panther, Fruitfille Station, Creed,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: He's never had a film lower than ninety five percent
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes, proof that Demurs is a movie guy. If
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I said that to Mike Ropp, he'd say, what's rotten tomatoes?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: If I said that's too Grimson, you knew like Ninswick,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I got it eight percent ronch Witter, the critics, ninety
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: seven percent from fans. You rarely get that kind of approval.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: You might get.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Fans, you might get critics, but people are loving this movie.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I went and saw it seventy millimeters Imax in New York.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: This is like the biggest theater in North America and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: sold out much of the day.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: And we got through.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: My buddy and I got there an hour before the
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: movie and he's like, yeah, it's sold on.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I go, what do you mean. He's like, it's sold
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: on for an hour in advance on a Saturday. And
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I look and I go, hey, it doesn't say it's full.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: But he says there's wheelchair seating. And he goes, yeah,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: and I go, okay, if no one come, I go.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: He goes, he goes, that's not a chair. I understand that,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: but it's it's a space, because yeah, if nobody uses
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: that space, is it like a standing room only in
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: the game? Like, can I just stand there and watch it?
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: And he's like, you didn't, and.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: He goes, I'm not telling you what to do, sir,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm just saying if I click on
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: AMC wheelchair seating and I'm not in a wheelchair, I'll
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: vacate if someone's in a wheelchair. He's likes, sir, A
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: better idea is just if you wait a few minutes
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: and then refresh. I go, all right, fair enough, we refresh.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Once he pops up, I tell anybody, John, get the ticket,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Get it and then I'll stand and you can sit.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: We'll switch every hour whatever you want. Like we're going
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: this goddamn movie. Seventy millimeters Imax. We wait five minutes,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: four seats pop up, like yeah, now we're back kid,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: So we get two. There's a guy, wait, buddy, twenty bucks.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, take this ticket, Sinners Imax, seventy millimeter. Definitely
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: an homage to from Dust Till Dawn. I know Tow
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: will agree with that, speaking of the great George Clooney.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And also, I mean, here's the thing. Give it with me,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: because I, yeah, I wasn't sure what direction was going Jay,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Like I'm watching, I go okay, I just know it's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: getting rave reviews and it's kind of like the Southern Tale,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and it's about these two brothers, my coumpy George's playing
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: both and you know, black gangsters and hitman whatever.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, Like I'm enjoying. It's a bit of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: a slow burn. I'm like, I wonder when it's to
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: get going here. And also they get to the place
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: where the music's happening, and Hailey Steinfeld's are sh up
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: and then and then shit just goes bonkers and listen.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I definitely enjoyed how gory it was and violent it
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: was and different levels of it, but it wasn't necessarily
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: what I was expecting, and I'm a little bit surprised
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: people are loving as much as they are. Like, ultimately,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I walked out there go it's a vampire movie, like
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: it was great, but it was like, it's just like
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a it's a Gordy member, Like why ninety I haven't
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: checked the reviews yet, why it's sitting such rave reviews.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: It's a well done genre movie, but if Jill wasn't
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: a movie like that which cost it two million.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Dollars to go, Oh, it's just some bullshit schlock movie.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, why Tal, why do you think this
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: swinge's getting this imprimature of like this is a great film.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Did you see the budget? Ninety million?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Like that's stunning?
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Jill Jill before Tal goes and I'll go last because
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: I'll probably why I won't be a succinct as you guys.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: But Jill turned to me because I like, halfway through
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: the movie, I look over and I said, I always
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: whisper here, I go, somebody pitched this idea and somebody
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: said yes, and then she goes better. Yet somebody pitched
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: the idea and somebody said, here's ninety million, crazy talgo ahead.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: That did that?
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Did happen? Someone did pitch this and get ninety million.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: And his name is Ryan Coogler, and it was his idea.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: And that's a guy who can pitch whatever he wants
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: and get it Greenland, And that's what struck. As soon
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: as the film was over, It's like, I gotta know
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: what the source material it was for this. This must
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: have been some sort of crazy graphic novel or something,
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: and then I saw it was one hundred percent completely
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: created by Ryan Coogler, who wrote the screenplay, came up
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: with everything off the top of his dome.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: It worked for me.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: I loved it.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: But if you're wondering how something like this gets approved,
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: it gets approved by someone who has launched two super
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: successful movie franchises, who really can do and has Michael B.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Jordan in his back pocket, and they get it done.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: And I think I loved it. I thought it worked
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: for me, but I could see how some people watching
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: it it might not work. I would I give it
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: a ninety eight percent rating. I don't know, I really
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: liked it. I'm not sure it's for everyone, but like
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: you had n and I had to get a single
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: individual seat up front crane of my neck to watch
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: up at Imax.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, people are going to see this movie.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I know that much.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: And I liked Again, I really enjoyed it. Yeah.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: We went to the epic and uh yeah, a lot
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: of it he pulled from his uncle in Mississippi.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: He said, was reading this stuff and touching on that.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: But you know, story of identity, family, you know, faith,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of that, letting the evil in also,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of references to the devil,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: you know, of God and good and evil.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: And blues the Devil's music.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then Jill said something at the end.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: She just kind of said, she said, listen, it did
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: the job it was set out to do, and it's
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: making people talk, and it elicited a reaction. It wasn't
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: just something like it was just like you walked out
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: and you're like I walked out and I was like,
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: well that was something. I'm like, I think I liked it.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: You know, at the start, we're an hour in and
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I look over at Jill and I.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Said, it's just gonna get going.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I said, I heard this is a vampire movie.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: She's like, it's supposed to be a vampire movie. And
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: then I mean, I think those the three, the group
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: of three, like the three initial vampires. I think they
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: were kind of stole the movie. I think they were incredible.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: What was the team? Why were they singing like Celtic music?
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if the Irish team Irish Catholic
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: stuff to do with Christ because and he you know,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: the interesting thing is that lead vampire, you know, would
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: take all the memories of everybody that he would eat
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: or whatever turn. It's been all the memories of all
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: the lords and ladies of years past, and probably when
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: what's his name, when the kid I don't even remember
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: any fucking names, that's how bad it. But the kid
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: James with the guitar, and he's saying when he starts
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: doing the Bible hymn of delivering Me from Evil, and
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: then he's the vampires were citing it with him and
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: said like I've heard this, you know whatever, and this
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: kept me comfort and things like that. So interesting movie enjoyed.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: It was a little bit like WTF, but yeah, it was.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: It passed the time. I wonder if he just Coogler
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: just sits in the room and being like, I'm gonna
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: mess with these people and go so far to the
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: right and just watch them see if they'll turn me down. Ever,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: and the execs are like, wow, Will Koog's cooks, He's
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: done it again.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I think if we were to rank it in three stars,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: tal of the most. I liked it at JD just
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: liked it right, love it. I liked it a lot,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: you liked it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: It's just a very degrees. We're all we're all giving
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: We all like it as a as a harmonica guy
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: and a lover of blues and jazz. I love I
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: got the music jo and I said the soundtrack was fantastic.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Right point, and also got my favorite part, Delroy Lindo,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: the great Dela Linda, who says, at one point, I
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: shot myself.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: How good was he?
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: He's incredible the show ye when he sacrificed himself last
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: call motherfuckers?
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: He was.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: He was fantastic. All right, Thank you so much for
• 53:45
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• 53:46
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