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Episode 223: Inside Ontario’s Most Exclusive Trout Fishing Club · Outdoor Journal Radio: The Podcast

• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: This episode of Outdoor Journal Radio is brought to you in part by the Invasive Species Center, protecting Canada's land and water from invasive species.
• 0:32
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• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: And now, another exciting episode in the adventures of Outdoor Journal Radio.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: You're happy to be here with us.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're at the uh, as you can tell, we're not in the studio.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh we are at the wonderful exclusive Franklin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look at us.
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  SPEAKER_03: How do we get to it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Franklin Club or fishing club, uh, located in Mount Albert, Ontario.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh I've never even heard of Mount Albert before.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_03: Have you?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'll bet the folks listening from Mount Albert are happy with that comment.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I can't help it, but I'm a pretty isolated guy, right?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Angela Viola.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's Peter Bowman, the rest of the crew you've met before.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna meet somebody coming up here very shortly.
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  SPEAKER_01: His name is uh Chad Devin Devin Davenport.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh he is hatchery and grounds manager here at the club.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh fascinating gentleman.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had an opportunity to talk to him a little bit earlier today and get some of the lowdown on what's going on behind the scenes.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, in front of the scenes.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh in front of the scenes, we know what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Back here in that body of water might be the largest biomass of living.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're trout.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say living organisms, but these are rainbow trout and some speckled trout.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have never seen so many in a body of water in this place.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: We want to talk about that, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I I still I haven't seen one.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm still maybe don't let you catch one today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll see.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh fascinating show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great club.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, a lot of people haven't heard about this spice, one of the best kept secrets in the fishing world, certainly this part of the case.
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  SPEAKER_03: But they put it in this place that I've never heard of.
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  SPEAKER_03: See?
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  SPEAKER_03: That's why.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's all secret.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a covert operation here.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's people that actually live in this area that I've never heard of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how covert it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, hopefully we can change all that today.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but first, uh, let's get to some business, shall we, folks?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: We are nearing the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm told by store manager Nick that the the shop is almost bare.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: The uh shelves are are emptying out quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you've got uh a little bit of time, but not much.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you haven't already done so, go to fishingcanada.com or shop.fishingcanada.com.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you want to go through the front door or you can go through the back door, whichever door you pick, pick one soon before you're gonna be disappointed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything is pretty much everything.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: I shouldn't say everything.
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  SPEAKER_03: Are you gonna close the doors after the sale's over?
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're gonna open them up brand new again.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: So you're closing for restock, and then that's back open again.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Kind of like the old Barclays days.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: No Barclays.
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  SPEAKER_03: The fake the fake closer down and open her up again.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: That was the best.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh six months of uh closing the doors.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: No kidding.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was good.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh mostly you probably have no idea what he's talking about, but that's okay.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's all right.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_03: Inside for the people that do know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, that's all happening at shop.fishingcanada.com uh or fishingcanada.com, the gateway, the portal to your next fishing adventure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go there and take advantage of Nick's generosity as he gives the stuff away.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he is pretty generous right now, isn't he?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who's paying for that, but um also while you're there, take the poll and tell us what you want to see on uh in the store as we restock it with new merchandise.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's always nice to get your views and opinions as to what you like.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because just what we like, it doesn't necessarily cut it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's why we're having a sale, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_03: Getting rid of all the stuff that we like is not selling.
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  SPEAKER_03: We gotta get good stuff in that everybody wants, right?
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh season 40 is nicely underway.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think we're into the second cycle, if I'm not mistaken.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's just starting it, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just starting it uh every Saturday mornings on Global Television Network, coast to coast to coast, uh, eight o'clock in the morning for most of the country.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: If you're on the left coast, you can actually sleep in till 10.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 10:30 in Alberta, 10 o'clock in BC.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Sportsman's Channel uh is playing us four times a week, and WFN uh World Fishing Network in the U.S., I believe three times a week, including prime time, baby.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you've finally been after all these years, you made it to prime time.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: I know on WFN.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know it took a lot of time and a lot of work.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_03: It took a lot of effort catching a lot of fish to do that, you know.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: How many fish have we caught in the 40 years that we've been on?
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Has anybody ever done a like there's I think we could do it by just taking an average of each episode.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Say take, I don't know, a hundred episodes and take an average of those hundred and then multiply it by the other 400.
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  SPEAKER_03: Does that work?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it's so different.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like Northern Ontario walleye to uh That'd be cool.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm gonna guesstimate Oh boy, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: That on camera, if we work it all out, I'm gonna guesstimate that every half hour episode on camera has a dozen fish.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Would that be a fair Yeah, probably well Yeah, yeah.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Very suddenly we show any more than that.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_03: No, we wouldn't show any more than that.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think sometimes less, but but I think I think average-wise, it would probably be 10 to 12 fish.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: But someday, some shoots we catch 30 or 40 on camera.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: We just don't use them.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: So you get you gotta kinda count them.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you want to count those.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_03: You're counting them because they're on camera.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: You don't know what's making the show or not making the show.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you get I'm tired just just let's think about that.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes we catch one or two.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Don't talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not supposed to do that.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh listener feedback in response to Pete's hundred dollar walleye kit at sale.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's interesting this morning.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very good.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_03: So the the group challenged me, the Fish in Canada group challenged me.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_03: They said if uh you had a hundred bucks uh to go to sale, what would you buy?
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: And put a walleye kit.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: You have to spend the hundred bucks, right?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, you got to get as close to a hundred bucks as possible.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_03: So if you want to see that, it's on our social media platforms.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's on Facebook, Instagram, as an on uh YouTube as well, um, to see what I came up with.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um but we got other guys now that we have some people that are uh coming back with their little kits here, and it's quite interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I'll read you a few of these.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Ghee from Facebook, he says a dozen three eighths sounds jig heads, yellow, orange and green, four and a half inch twister tails, yellow, white, and green and black.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just save 75 bucks for gas, beverage, or food.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_03: I love the way they're doing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, you know, think about it.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's smart.
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  SPEAKER_03: Think about it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Brian, Brian via Facebook.
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  SPEAKER_03: Give me a hundred bucks worth of bucktail jigs, a bucktail hail jigs and a quarter and three-eighths ounce.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, that's not a bad one either, not a bad call.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then another Pete via Facebook.
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  SPEAKER_03: I like this one.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is really good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Green jig heads,$5.99.
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  SPEAKER_03: Four pickerel rigs,$7.96.
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  SPEAKER_03: Tubaminnows,$9.4 ounce weights,$7.96.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: He's pricing these out.
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  SPEAKER_03: Total cost,$30.91, leaves$69.00,$69.09 for beer and jerky.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: I love that beer.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's right, though.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, what I failed to do on that challenge, by the way, and as I said,$100, but what I was challenged was a$100 gift card from sale.
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  SPEAKER_03: That makes a difference.
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  SPEAKER_03: Why?
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  SPEAKER_03: Now you can't send it on beer.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_03: You can't do that.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: Now you gotta put your hundred bucks.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I should have if they'd have told me a$50 sale card and a$50 beer store card, I know how I'd have spent it too.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'd have no problem with it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Shorter baits at the end of that.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: Now, did when you were did you go in and scout it out first?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: Did you kind of do a flyby and say, okay, when I do this piece and you know just section-wise, eh?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: Dean Dean was with me.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_04: Really it was pretty much.
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  SPEAKER_04: We tried to price it out-ish ahead of time because you realize how quickly uh that can go.
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  SPEAKER_04: So you it you have to have a strategy kind of when you're picking up.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_04: A hundred bucks doesn't go anywhere.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I was in the Yozuri department quite a bit, right?
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: And crankbaits are they're up there, right?
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: But they're they're reasonably priced for Japanese crankbaits.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_03: So I I I did my little Yozuri thing first, then I went off and did some plastics and stuff like that.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_03: So that's just what I would.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's it's interesting.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_03: They get the the uh the people that are you know um piping in on it and all that.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's pretty cool, actually, the way it is.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna do more of them, by the way.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: We'll do the last one, small mouth, large mouth.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you're up, you're up next, buddy, don't you?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was absent on that one.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: And then we got maybe a hundred dollar gift card.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody gave me a gift card.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_03: I put it all back because I didn't have the money.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh conservation corner brought to you by brought to you by uh Grass Scarp, right?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's what it says there, but that's not true.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Brought to you by the Invasive Species Center, and the importance of today's uh conservation corner, it's magnified because we're sitting in front of the most pristine little body of water I have ever seen.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Pristine because it is totally controlled, it's managed and controlled to the last detail.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, most of our wild waters and wild areas are not, and sometimes things happen, like invasive species.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's why it's important that we bring you this uh uh story that's happening around our waterways each and every week until it no longer is a problem.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Not sure how that's gonna happen, by the way, because it's not pending now, it is here.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: We have evidence that it is here, it has arrived, as they say.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's arrived.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we're talking about grass carp.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I think the only thing we can do now is be vigilant as we go out, the season's just starting, ice is almost gone, and most of the lakes in central Ontario, anyways.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we can assume that when we go shallow water fishing from here on in, there is a pretty good chance that we might encounter uh one of these fish.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing is, if you don't know what it looks like, if you don't know anything about it, the opportunity for you to make a difference will come and go.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, it might sound like we're harping on this every week, but it is extremely important.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_03: Ultra important.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it just think about I know there's a lot of people saying, Oh my god, you guys with this invasive species and the thing.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's important to keep waters like these behind us here at the Franklin uh fishing club, pristine as they are.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: We need to do our part.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so I need everybody to go to the invasivecarp.ca site and uh load download all of the information that you might need.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't it be great?
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: I know we said this before.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe not great, maybe not great, but I think it would be great.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: No, it'd be great if they're here.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: Do we encounter one?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what you're gonna say?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be great.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: I like to see it.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_03: Do our part and show it on camera.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: We could, you know what I mean?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think it'd have to be an R-rated program, wouldn't it?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: To do that.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: We'd be gentle.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: We'd do a gentle uh euthanization of these.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I've heard that before.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, uh go to advasivecarp.ca, folks, and get yourself well armed with the information that you require.
• 11:32
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• 11:40
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• 11:45
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• 11:46
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• 11:53
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• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: You think we'd both we'd have this invasive carp and JB down by now, right?
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: The website's it, but we also have to have to do that.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Not a chance.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: Is that age?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_04: You think Dean is that age?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: I uh I seem to have ever since I've been hanging around you guys, I've been having problems too.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it's rubbing off, though.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: You should be so lucky.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, buddy.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry about your problem.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so in the news, and and it's great that we're we're here today.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming that you uh took this uh story um today because of where we are.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and uh we are in it, as I mentioned before.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_03: Dean's been around long enough now to know too how to answer you, so no matter what it is.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: We that's right.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: He knows the answers.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's smart, smart boy.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, we are at the Franklin uh fishing club that is so pristine and so well managed and controlled that even there because they raise their own fish, they hatch their fish, they raise them, and then they put them in this waterway that you see behind us.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, while you're doing that, I mean there's going to be fish waste that you got to deal with.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: And even that, these folks look after before that water gets back into our system.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: So it probably the water goes back into the system cleaner than when it came out of the ground, uh, because most of this water behind us is well water or spring fed water water.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um because the story has a lot to do with that.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: A new study published in uh environmental pollution found that wild fish in Ontario's Grand River, which I always thought was kind of a pristine, nice Fergus area, looking clean looking water, anyways, right?
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Are contaminated with uh human pharmaceuticals, including fentanyl.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, see, this makes sense because you know what, it could still be clean water, but this is now human influence again, right?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: So, ooh God.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the fish living downstream wastewater treatment plants are are most affected, showing significantly higher drug concentrations than upstream that's weird.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: Where's the drug coming from?
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_04: So apparently the crackhead bob.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_04: The wastewater plants aren't made to filter out pharmaceuticals, they were never designed for that.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_04: So, like the things like antidepressants and birth control and fentanyl, apparently, they tend to make it through those.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_04: So that's how they end up in our water.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_03: What is the the fentanyl drug and how does it get into the river?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_03: Is it in the toilets?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: People put it in toilets, and does that go in the river?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: I can't see that.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: Does it go in the river from the toilet?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_04: Or I uh I'm not sure on the fentanyl.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_04: I've never uh I don't I don't have much experience.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, sure, dean.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: That's how weird.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh estrogen is another product byproduct uh that makes its way into some waterways.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, there was a study a few years ago about how much of that is being spilled into our waterways and how it's affecting fish.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: So it it is a problem.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um 19 different drugs were detected in water samples recently, including, as Pete said, opioid opioids, stimulants, and antidepressants.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's gonna it just boggles my mind.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: Because if it gets into that water system, they're literally you can't pee that stuff out, right?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's after you if you take an antidepressant, I'm assuming it does its work in you, and then you pee out pee.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: No?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: So somebody's disposing these drugs in the water or something, uh is what it sounds like.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, uh, to get the full story, go to fishingcanada.com.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's fishingcanada.com and uh read all about it because it's uh pretty interesting.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know whether we can do anything about it, uh, but we're gonna find out here in a few minutes how these folks take care of all that stuff before they contaminate waterways.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh fan question of the week submitted by Coolidge4EG via YouTube.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Now, is this one of those deals where we can give something away?
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_04: This is a contender.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: A contender.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Good one.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: All right, let's see what we can do for those bites on a pike.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_03: For for bites on a pike, I'm assuming for those.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: For those bites on a pike.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_03: Is there anything that I can have on me that can be applied to help those wounds heal?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: I always feel bad that I can't help them.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: So he's saying the bites on a pike's body.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: That we're assuming that we're all you know, I've got a theory about that.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a theory about that.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because another fish that often comes up and we say, Oh, look at those scars and fish, is a lake trap.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I have a theory of that about that.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know whether it's right or not.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's my opinion only.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Those two fish are notorious for rolling up in your line when you're fighting them.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: Those are two that do right.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: The gator roll, right?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do that what you call the gator roll.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: They roll up in your line.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: In a lot of cases, for both those species, we're using a bit of hardware, some some steel leader or snaps and swivels, metal pieces that have got little sharp edges on them.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just wondering, because it's it's happening way too often that we catch fish that have got these markings, these wounds, we call them.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just wondering if it isn't from that.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: I bet you that's part of it.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: I'll bet you that is part of it.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's crazy.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: You kind of see that.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: There'd be a pattern, wouldn't there?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: It'd be cuts.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: Well, a lot of times a gouge.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just throwing it out there.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um I got I caught a I caught a bike on Saturday.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: I went to bike vision with Burris, and I caught one and we wanted to keep some for eating.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't the bite mark on it, but it had so much scum and slime growing off the back of it that we didn't even want to touch it.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: We pliered it off and let it go like back.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was like thicker than normal?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like that moldy stuff.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_03: But up like a quarter of an inch off of it, and balls, and oh my god, didn't want to get close to that.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: I've heard that's actually from handling as well.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_04: And like you that could be your like when you remove the slime coat.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: I got the perfect person answering this question.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Good idea.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's patiently waiting for us somewhere down there at the hatchery and uh uh where they keep all of the inventory here at uh the Franklin Club.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh his name is uh Chad Davenport.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: He is hatchery and grounds manager here at the club.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Chad, welcome to the program.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you so much for having me here.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you to you, man.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me with us here.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I for I have to throw this out there first.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of folks say that we've got the perfect job.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta tell you, they're gonna have to add you to the Mount Rushmore heads of perfect jobs because Chad's job.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you right now, after what we saw here earlier today, you got the goods.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: How much on a scale of one to ten, Chad?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: How much do you love this job?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: 11.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: How long have you been here, first of all, Chad?
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_05: It'll be four years in July.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_05: Four years.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_05: And and what's your background?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_05: My background is industrial mill right maintenance and aquaculture.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_05: How did you end up here?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_05: Uh well, I went to first I did my industrial millrite diploma.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_05: That was a two-year course, and I uh couldn't find an apprenticeship at the time, it being around in Oshawa.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_05: So I decided to go into doing underground uh locate utilities.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_05: And I did that for a time being.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_05: And uh, if everyone here knows that sometimes workplaces over time, you start to realize, you know, um I'm getting over this, and I think I need something that are I can wake up every morning and put on my boots, and what would that be?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I said, if I could work with fish, if I could wake up every day and work with fish, I'll be ready to go be a happy camper every single day.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_05: Very cool.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_05: I decided to reach out to Fleming, and they had an aquaculture program at the Fleming there in Lindsay.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_05: It was a post-grad, so I was able to use my industrial millright to get into there.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_05: As much as it's not fish related, there is a lot of moving parts in a in the hatchery, especially pumps and valves and everything which is related to millright.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_05: So uh after that, I did that course, I got accepted into it, and then miraculously this place came up on my feed to apply.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_05: And never heard of it being from Oshawa.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_05: This is only 50 minutes from Oshawa.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_05: It's just a hole in the wall.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and uh, since I've been here, I've been very grateful that I've been able to be here for the last four years now.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: That is so cool.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's a great story.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right place, right time.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there was a lot more hard work involved in that as well.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, regardless how you got here, man, you are in the motherland of rainbow trout and speckle trout.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, we're gonna be able to.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: We're raving about the the rainbows, but the specks that we saw earlier on in that race race.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's pretty much mind-blowing here, this place.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, especially those brookies like that.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Give us an indication.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh bring us through the annual cycle that you have that you work through to keep this place behind us as pristine as it is and so filled with uh incredibly beautiful rainbow and speckled tribe.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_05: Well, here without the fish in the lake, we wouldn't have the members.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_05: So it all starts at the hatchery.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: Without the fish, no one will be here.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_05: So, what we first do is that we get our broodstock.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_05: That's the first step.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_05: If you don't have any fish to start off in your system, you gotta get some broods that are females and males, and you can start the process from there.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_05: We start with mixing our males with our females, mixing the milk with the eggs, and we put them in our incubators, we do the whole process from beginning to end, we let them hatch into elvins, we move them into the troughs, and from then on we keep increasing their feed, we do their rations, we clean their tanks, and we move on and on, they get bigger and bigger, and we end up grading them, we split them, and they go into larger tanks, and from the larger tanks, they'll end up into the raceways.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_05: And by August, we'll have our fish in the raceways that are all in the troughs.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: And from the raceway, it takes about two and a half years to get a stock-sized fish here.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_05: The goal here is around three to five pounds.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_05: That varies.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_05: Sometimes we get six pounders, sometimes we get seven pounders, sometimes we get two pounders, and that's part of the place here is that it's above variety.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_05: We don't want to be catching the same fish of the same size.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_05: So we do our best to create a variety of fish as every raceway has a somewhat of a different size.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_05: And we mix them in between to get that variety in the lake.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_05: That's makes the pristine fishing here.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: Is there a minimum size that you put in there?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like you said, that two pounder say one was a pound and a half or something.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: Would that make it in the in the lake too?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_05: It depends.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_05: It depends as long as it's a healthy fish.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_05: If it's a healthy fish, we count it.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_05: It's alright if it fell behind a little bit, we still count because we want variety at the same time, right?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: Right, okay.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: So we don't want to grade too fully because then everything will be optimally the same.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_05: So we do our best to you know create diversity a little bit for here at the club for everyone to catch all different sizes of fish because everyone, some people like sandwiches, some people want small fish for a sandwich, some people like fillets.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_05: So you got to make up for a little bit of everything there.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, true.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_05: How many fish do you stalk in the lake behind us each uh year?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_05: We stock twice a year.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_05: We do one in the spring and one in the fall.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_05: The one in the spring is typically around 7,500 fish.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, and usually it's one-third brook trout, two-thirds rainbow trout.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_05: And in the fall, we usually hold back one of the raceways so that in the fall we can have three-year fish that are almost brood size, beginning brood.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_05: So that creates a good six, seven to eight pound rainbow going into the lake in the fall time when that is the most optimal time other than the spring to be fishing, is the fall.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Is the reason these fish because when I was here a couple of years ago, I mean, aside from the numbers and the size, the other thing that I just could not get out of my head is the extraordinary color of these fish.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is it a particular gene pool that you're drawing from?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: How how do how do you get the colors in these fish?
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_05: It is a genetics, there is an art to it.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_05: And um the genetics really, some of our rainbows here have a genetic with cutthroat trout.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_05: And you'll see that on the bottom of their jaw on the underside, there's a nice orange line or red line kind of thing right into the jaw, and you can tell that this part of the fish is cutthroat.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: Is there a is there a a difference in raising brook trout uh to rainbow trout?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Is there one uh one's more hardy, one's harder to do?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Is there what's the difference?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_05: If you want to know, I would say a good way to describe uh the behavior of a rainbow trout to the behavior of a brook trout.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_05: Here, the rainbow trout are very voracious.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_05: They will they will eat until they roll over, they cannot help themselves.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like a Labrador Retriever.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_05: You got it.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: I found them.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was telling this uh earlier on to somebody.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I found that these fish are not your typical rainbows, they were almost like wild steelheads.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: The way they attack a bait uh and devour it and fight and come out of the water.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: It reminds me of uh BC steelhead.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's the closest I've ever experienced.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: They're crazy, they're insane fish.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, absolutely.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_03: So, what about the brook trout then?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: What's the difference?
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_05: I describe the brook trout as uh they come to the buffet, they put on their apron, they go and they get their forks and knife and their napkin, they put it to the side, they sit quietly, they ring the little bell, and then they get served their food.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_05: No way.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's hilarious.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_03: I would have thought the opposite, honestly.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: I thought brookies were like browns, like in the in the creeks that we fish, they're very aggressive.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like brown trout are nasty, right?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: They're they're like a muskie almost of the of the trout world, but oh that's interesting.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_05: And then the rainbows come in and they just ruin the table.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_05: Foods all over the place.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_05: It's a food fight by the end of it.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: That's a great description.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Chad, I noticed some of the uh raceways are covered and some are not.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: What's the reason for that?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: You've got these big metal grates over part of it, and then it's open.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: They both have fish in them.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: What's the difference?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_05: Well, the one raceways, um, we have covers on our raceways because we get a lot of predation.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um, we've improved a lot on our predation rate.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um, in the past, um, for some reason the herons really love brook trout.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_05: Uh-oh, I don't know if they taste better than a rainbow, but uh the herons really decimated our brook trout.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_05: And uh one of the ways to help improve that was to cover them with these metal grates that we get.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_05: And they're just fences like you see at the CNE, just like just parking lot fences, and they fit our raceway really well.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_05: And we've dropped down.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_05: I'll tell you, the predation in the brook trout about two years ago was like 49%.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_05: Whoa! Oh my god, we lost half half the brook trout.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_05: And uh ever since then, I got to talk to Kevin.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_05: I said, you know, your money, you're losing your money, you're feeding the wildlife right now.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_05: So uh we reached out and we found a member that hooked us up with some fences and we laid them down and we dropped it down to minimum nine percent, even less sometimes.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: I can't help but think though, because that's a high number.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm stalking, you know, one out of every two fish that you put in there.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, do you guys ever maybe attribute poachers or poaching to any of that?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_05: We do have some suspicion.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_05: There are times when I I stock out the ray the raceways and my numbers don't line up with the numbers I have inside the hatchery.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_05: And I'll have a void.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_05: And uh that void is a little bit of miscount from us counting fish and also from predation.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_05: And it's kind of a combined.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_05: We can't necessarily tell how much predation and how much miscount.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_05: It's kind of a combined combined, but we do find fish that have wounds from herons.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_05: And uh the worst part about the herons is that uh they don't actually take the fish out of the raceway.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_05: We would prefer them if they were hungry to take the fish out, but they tend to injure our fish and they'll create wounds in our raceway.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_05: So we have to really minimize that because it can spread amongst the other fish, illnesses or diseases or sores of any kind of sort.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_05: So we absolutely do our best to put up deterrents, to do everything we can.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_05: We have one deterrent there that's a motion sensor, and it's like a high pressure hose, and it just sprays.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_05: Perfect, and it sprays them away.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_05: And uh another one was um another deterrent was uh Christmas lights.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_05: For some reason, um herons like to don't like green laser lights, or let alone birds, green lasers.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, very interesting.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_05: So we set up the crace the Christmas lights that are the lazy lights, and we set them up at night, and it actually deters them just as well, too.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, I kind of make the joke that they have a little party down there when the lights go on, they're all oontzin' oontzin' over there with the with the fish and with all the party lights, but uh no, it helps deter them away as well because it catches them in the eye and uh they get discouraged.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: So you got birds there, I'm uh assuming there's mink or uh otters and stuff like that.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_05: Beavers.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_05: Beavers, yep.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_05: We do um the main ones are herons, minks, and raccoons.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_05: Raccoons, right.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_05: Before the screens, ospreys.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_05: The ospreys would dive right into our raceways.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_05: No way, and I would tell you, I would stop and just watch them because I I'm really grateful that they remove the fish.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_05: They don't they actually remove the fish out of the raceway.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so I'm fine with that.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_05: And ospreys are very majestic to me.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_05: I always loved ospreys, so I always would let them dive into the fish.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: Little collateral damage there.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_05: That's it, right?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_05: They have a whole lake to choose from, but I get it.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_05: They like the raceway.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm trying to do the numbers here.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say you put 10,000 in any given year.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's on top of what was already there.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do counts that evaluates the entire biomass in that lake at that point once you put 10,000 in?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, are we talking about I don't know, 15, 20,000 fish at any given time in this big lake behind us?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: We do not have that's a lot, man.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of fish for a little body of water.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_05: It really is.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and it, you know, and I have to say it it fishes that way too.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have a whole lot of experience at stock ponds, although I've heard, you know, stories.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: I remember as a kid, my dad took us to the very first time to a stock pond.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: And um I think it was after, like, I don't know, we were here in Canada for three or four years, five years.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: He must have heard from work that there was a pond somewhere that you could take your kids and family and and have this wonderful thing.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, bottom line is I remember as a kid uh going into that, and we had about, I don't know, because everything we we caught, we kept.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't know any better.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna take them home and have a fish cry, man.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: These weren't big fish, they were small.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: And um at some point, one of the employees of the pond came walking by, and I guess he was saying, uh, like, like, do you know you guys have to pay for those?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it was a shit show, man.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: It was a shit show.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: Per fish per fish.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: Dom went crazy.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: So here it works a little differently.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: This is a member-only fishery, although uh I was here as a guest of one of your members when I first came.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I know that there's that going on.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: But do you have any programs that uh would introduce something like this to uh kids and youth, uh young anglers?
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_05: We do a little bit.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_05: We do have um this isn't really open to public, right?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_05: But uh people can reach out and uh reach out to the our general manager and can pay for the day to come fish if they really wanted to.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think it's be a great experience, a great way to hook kids in the fish in a classroom or something, you know what I mean.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: You'll see here later on, like you literally will catch if you don't get 10 fish in a 20-minute, 15, 20 minute session, there's you gotta move.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, yeah.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: And we're talking big fish, not little fish, right?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I imagine a kid getting onto that.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: I can't help but think, man, that would be that would be incredible.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would 10, 12-year-old kid telling me.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they'd just they'd have yeah, they'd have that for the rest of their lives, just even if it's the only time they ever did it, even just to have that, yeah.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: We've got to convince Kevin to open it up to uh other folks.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_03: Kids.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: What about the when the members um Chad, do they have to have fishing licenses on to fish on this property?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: Is that still a legal requirement?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_05: You do not need a fishing license to be here.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_05: We are private property.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_05: Ah, and what those season seasons of open posts?
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_05: Year-round.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_05: You can fish here year-round 24-7.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they were ice fishing.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what about then do you have a limit uh a daily limit for a member?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_05: To keep, we have uh the limit to keep is about 10 fish per month.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_05: Ten fish per month.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_05: And uh we have the most 200 members here capped out, so it's about 20,000 fish a year if they were to keep them.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: So my question now is I'm a member and I want to keep all 10 of my rainbow trout in my one trip.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I got 10 rainbow trout in my truck going home with no fishing license on my body, and I got 10 trout that anywhere else would be over the limit.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_05: Correct.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_05: How's that work?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_05: You're gonna have to show them your first your Franklin Club membership.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_05: That's the number one thing.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_05: And you would definitely have to probably reach out to us if you want to not get caught with fish, because that's actually a really good question.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_05: I have never been asked that.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_05: I never thought about that.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_05: And uh yes, that's probably what you would have to do is prove that you are a member here.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_05: That would be your best bet.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: And interesting.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: On top of that, when I was here last time, I did take two or maybe three fish home, but they were all cleaned up.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: There was no skin on them, there was nothing.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and it was on the shoulder seasons.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm thinking about that.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: That was probably a no-no because had I been stopped, there was nothing, no skin left on the fillets.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: No skin?
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: So the members would be doing that too.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: Probably some members if they want if there's a cleaning service here.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: There was a cleaning station just down here.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so they might do that.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: So it's very interesting.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Very important because because of the fact that it operates uh 12 months a year.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: It does complicate a little bit.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, anyways, enough of the negative.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much positive going on here that uh I think we can uh uh just assume that uh there's gonna be enough education going on here that uh folks won't get themselves in trouble.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh how about the type of fishing?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: I know you can fly fish.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, you have some designated fly fishing, uh, two lakes, I believe.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh you can use hardware and regular gear in the big lake.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_05: Correct.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_05: We have two ponds.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_05: We have Douglas Pond, that's more of like the southern end of the lake where the inflow comes in, and then it goes into Franklin Lake, which is the main body of water that everybody fishes typically.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_05: And then on the northern end there, we have Harrison, and Harrison's a fly fishing only as well.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_05: But in the middle here, you can bring your guests, bring your kids.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_05: You can spin fish and fly fish, you can do the best of both worlds here.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and you have boats too.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_05: That was kind of cool.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, we got puns, they're uh flat rectangular boats so that two people can stand side by side and be able to fly fish on a stable boat, and that's the idea.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_05: And no motors, you have to row them, obviously.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_05: I'll row, yes.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh is it a barbless fishery for the spinning fisher?
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, it's barbless for any type of fishing here.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_05: Everything is barbless.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_05: There are some members that put more than one hook on.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_05: They'll might have three flies on one line.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_05: Right, gotcha.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_05: And uh I'm not at that caliber yet, but some of these guys are hauling in three fish on one line.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_05: And you can only imagine, you can only imagine what that's like.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: Seven pounders, they fly percent crazy.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, absolutely crazy.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: They bust line going against each other, right?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_05: They would have a surface fly for like a top water, they would have the middle one, and then they would have one right on the bottom.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's brilliant.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, they think about that.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_05: All depth.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: Hey Dana, you like that, don't you?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I uh I did that for Bass actually as well.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_04: For Smallies, yeah.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_03: Look at you guys.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: So um, Chad, if somebody listening to this podcast is interested uh in maybe becoming a member, can they come out to the property unannounced and sort of take a guided tour, much like we did this morning when we came announced, but we had a guided tour of the place?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_05: We get both here.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_05: We get people in the public that never heard of it, say in Newmarket.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_05: People just drive by, see the sign, and they just want to come check it out.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_05: We don't recommend walking the property without a badge, not just for me, but other members will feel like you're our trespasser and you will be asked to leave.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_05: The best solution is to call the club, reserve a time, and uh we can do a tour for you on the whole property.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_05: We can show you the hatchery, we can show you the grounds, you can even get in a little bit of fishing if you want.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's awesome.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_05: That's it.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you were very generous with your time earlier on, walking us through the hatchery and the whole process, the raceways and the brood stock, which by the way, the uh broodstock is just mind-boggling.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: But are there any little hidden gems that you can share with us?
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, those little hidden laboratories, maybe two levels below ground that you guys do all that experimenting in.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_05: We do our best to make the most pristine fish as possible.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_05: We do a really good job of really identifying any all the perfect aspects to the shape of the fish to make sure that going forward that we keep those genetics going down the line there.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I love the fact that there's no automation.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: This is all handwork, which is absolutely wonderful.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen, we've you know, been exposed to more we'll call them modern hatcheries, where there's a lot of automation going on, especially for accounting fish and moving fish from one holding area to another.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: But you guys, it's all hands-on.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's all hands-on.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_05: We look every my staff, me and my two other members of staff, look at every single fish before it gets moved to the next raceway.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_05: And even when we stock the lake, we look at every single fish.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_05: It might sound a little tedious, but that's what makes this place so pristine.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: I think I like it.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: I like that part of it.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think too, and I don't want to say all other uh hatcheries and and uh stock ponds, uh, although I would think most, um you know, those fish are generally fed um pellets from the day they were born to the day they died.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: And you guys don't do that.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: I found it fascinating that even at the initial stages you're not feeding them commercial, you know, unknown processed foods.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: Everything that you feed these fish are designed for one thing and one thing only, is to get the the best out of that particular strain of that gene pool and make them healthy, strong, big uh brutes.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when you put them back in the main lake here, they're not fed anymore.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're right, we're all on natural food.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's why these fish are so insane.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: They're just wild.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and when you drop 10,000 in at a time, that's gotta require an awful lot of natural food to sustain that.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: So the fertilizer is like this this body water's gotta be so fertile.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh what's in it?
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_05: What are they eating?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_05: There's definitely a lot of insects.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_05: Like I'm not a big insect guy, I know a little bit, but nymphs are the another main source of their diet here.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_05: There is a lot of dace minnows in the lake and some stage one, stage two perch when they first get hatched out, and that's mainly in their main forage in the spring.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_05: And in the fall, you got the mayflies coming in, you got all you get the mosquitoes, you got all the other insects that come flying through here.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_05: Those big stone fly.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Those big fish are not eating insects and mayflies.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: Those those fish are eating something a little hardier than that.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: There's gotta be there's gotta be aquatic rodents that they're eating.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but frogs, oh yeah, lots of frogs, crayfish, snakes, little garter snakes swimming across there.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_03: Might even hit that.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_03: You never know.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Did you say crayfish?
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: Crayfish.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, a tube.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: A tube would just knock those things out.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Not that you need to, you know.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need any special lures for this fishery.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you right now.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_03: Is there a a ratio of the pro of uh a new member?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_03: Is there a ratio of rainbow trout to brook trout?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: Is there a good chance you're gonna get a brook trout on a day of fishing here?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_03: A brook trout at least?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_05: There is a chance, yes.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_05: Most members catch about 20 in an hour or 20 in about two hours of fish total.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, just total.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um, if you're lucky, you might get one in every four fish, maybe one in every five fish.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_05: But that's pretty good.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_05: But again, the brook trout sits in a different area than the rainbow.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_05: So if you get comfortable with the lake and you start fishing, you're gonna be like, where are the brook trout?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_05: All I'm catching is rainbows.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_05: That's where you're gonna start looking in a different area, and then you'll start picking them up.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: I got you.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_05: But they don't necessarily hang out together.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_05: They are looking for different food sources at the same time.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, as far as consumption goes, do you get a chance to eat a lot of trout?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_05: I get to try it.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm not a big fish eater, but I definitely have tried our fish, yes.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I've tried the uh the rainbow and it is spectacular.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna ask, what's the speckled trout like?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_05: From what I've been told, it's very good.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_05: Um I'm not exactly I had never had the brook trout myself.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_05: Mainly most people here release the brook trout.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_05: It's not really uh a catch and keep fish, it's more of a commodity, and you know, people just love to catch them from the colors, the fight on them.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_05: They don't it's not really a popular eating fish here.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_05: It's funny.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_05: It's the rainbow trout they go for to eat.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'd have a hard time filling in a three-pound brook trout.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_03: No problem with a rainbow, but I'd have a hard time putting a knife into it, yeah.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: Even here.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: Still would, yeah.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're so beautiful.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: But so is the rainbow trout.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: These we really see these things in that.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: You see, oh my god, that is spectacular.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, anyways, it's been an absolute pleasure being here.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna wander around the property a little bit longer.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: We might make our way back down to your neck of the woods at the other end of the lake at the hatchery.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but if we don't, uh just want to thank you so much for helping us out today and uh being a good idea.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: Hospital and generous and all that stuff.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's fantastic.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: And now uh you have told an audience about your job.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now there might be a lineup.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: A lineup at the end of the day.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: All the Melroites are going to the bed with Mr.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_03: Zanford now.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: Chad, thank you very much for joining us, my friend.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_05: You are so very welcome and thank you for having me here.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_05: I am so grateful to speak to the two legends of the fishing world.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you, buddy.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate it.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, man.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Chad Davenport, uh hatchery and grounds manager here at the Franklin Club, the fishing club, the ultimate fishing club.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_03: Impressive fishing club.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: So we keep calling it a club and and and not calling it a stocked fish pond because it's not, because the club part of it, you really get to experience and understand when you walk into the club house, which is directly in front of where we're sitting right now.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: The only way I can describe it, I think it did when I came back a couple of years ago from this place, is that it is a golf country club for fishing.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: Has all the same amenities that you'd find at your golf club.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's got lockers downstairs, you've got uh you know, bathrooms, you've got like just like it, like you'd walk into a golf club.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what I really love about it, because they're not licensed here at the club, uh, there is a locker.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_03: Lockers upstairs.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: They're the best lockers.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: Upstairs behind the bars, a series, I don't know, probably I would imagine 200, uh personal little lockers, uh bottle size that the member is allowed to bring a bottle in and lock it up.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: And when he's here, she's here, uh, they can have a lot of that's so cool.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's so cool.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_03: What a great costume.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Dean, did we uh miss anything?
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_04: Last minute.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's great.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_04: I I know by the time this airs, our Carmen 16-inch live scope contest.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, it is 16-inch live scope.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's just the screens.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, it's the echo map.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you get me going.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_04: 16-inch echo map, which we do have with us today, so you might see something on that uh if you're watching this on YouTube.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we have a contest on right now uh to win that.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_04: I think you have about a month and a half to enter, but the people who who win the contest normally have like 150, 200 entries, so you should start now and start getting them in every day.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um trust me.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_03: If you want an impressive impressive fish binder in your boat, that that 16-inch Garmin is uh Echo Map is a beast, that's for sure.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're gonna be experiencing that on this lake later on.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_03: Drop it in and get some footage, eh?
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna drop it down and see what we can see.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know what we're gonna see.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna see any open water because it's just bodies, bodies of fish just all over the place.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, we're gonna put it to the test in one of the small uh rowboats out here.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, the Franklin uh club is uh situated located at 72 Franklin Road, Mount Albert, Ontario.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you can give them a shout at 905-473-1469.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to get uh more information on uh becoming a member or just coming out here uh and have a look around.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: There the nice thing about this club too, although it's a members-only club, you have to to access it all, they're very generous with their time and their property.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: And um uh I don't think they turn people away if you uh want to come out here with uh especially with a kid and uh access the property and walk around.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Just being out here feels so good, man.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: Just feels so good.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Very cool.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: Great vibe uh at this place.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Did you notice that?
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and the people are amazing.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_03: They're treaters great.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyways, uh that are it.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I want to thank everybody for joining us once again.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh keep an eye out, as Dean said, for any contests that are coming up.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: FishingCanada.com is probably the best place you can do that.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh while you're there, you can uh drop into uh our store, which is clearing out all the old and bringing in the new.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, store manager is uh funding it all, all the discounts.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's uh doing some work on it right now.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: I know he's trying to collect money from somebody up there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, thank you very much uh for the entire crew.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's Peter Bowman, uh Nikki V, uh Mr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dean Taylor over here uh struggling with the sunlight on his board.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can tell because I haven't heard him push one button today that I was.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know it is too late.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's too late.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the sunlight.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Angela, guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, thanks for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll catch you next time.
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