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Micheal Saylor REVEALS What's Next for Bitcoin | EP 1032 · Simply Bitcoin

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  It's all going to zero against Bitcoin.
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  It's. Going up.
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  Forever. You're.
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  Against Bitcoin. You're.
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  Against freedom recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and
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  thanks to the to the witnesses here.
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  I'm, I'm going to pose this first question to, to all three
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  of you, but maybe give you some background where I'm coming
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  from. So I'm probably one of the few
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  members of, of the, of the committee that actually owns
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  cryptocurrency. I've been fascinated for it or
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  by it, for a long time. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
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  Symbol Bitcoin Live, the most watched daily Bitcoin live show
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  on YouTube Rumble and X sit back, relax, enjoy the ride.
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  We we will be your guide through the separation of money and
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  state the cold opening that was JD Vance.
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  He was just nominated to be the vice president of the United
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  States with Donald Trump. Hell of a ticket and you heard
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  it heard it you hear heard him say it.
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  He's a huge fan of Bitcoin. He actually owns a lot of
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  Bitcoin. I think according to public
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  records, he owns $250,000 worth of Bitcoin.
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  So this current administration, of course, we know what the
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  orange man thinks of Bitcoin. I'm not like, I feel like it's
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  beating a dead horse at this point.
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  We're not going to play you those videos.
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  But breaking news also, the vice president is a huge proponent of
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  the industry. He comes, he comes from the
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  Peter Thiel school. He's, you know, big in the kind
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  of kind of, let's say, well respected in the VC community.
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  And of course, he's extremely pro Bitcoin.
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  And that's really, really good news for our industry in terms
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  of of it allowing to flourish from a regulatory standpoint.
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  Just remember, Bitcoin, you know, doesn't need a government
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  approval, doesn't need regulations.
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  It will survive. Bitcoin's the honey badger.
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  You can't stamp it out. Its incentives are unstoppable.
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  But you know, if you're a Bitcoin entrepreneur, if you're
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  trying to develop a Bitcoin business in the US, you
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  obviously want positive, a positive regulatory environment.
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  And now Trump's vice president pick is not only a Bitcoin
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  supporter, but also a Bitcoin owner.
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  That's absolutely massive. Also, the Chad sailor, which was
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  going to be making an appearance at the Bitcoin conference next
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  week, he dropped a chart which was quite interesting.
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  He put Microstrategy's performance and he put the
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  NVIDIA stock performance. Now, what's really interesting
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  about NVIDIA is like, it's been like one of the best performing
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  stocks ever. Why?
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  Because of the AI boom, right? The AI, you know, all that AI
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  uses the, the NVIDIA GP us to process all that data.
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  And of course their stock went through the moon as this AI boom
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  is going to the moon as well. Now, what's really interesting
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  is that MicroStrategy still outperformed NVIDIA and
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  MicroStrategy like doesn't, it's not a GPU manufacturer, right?
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  Like they don't make anything, you know, it's a software
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  company, you know, they, they, you know, they, they do offer a
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  service. They do have a product, but you
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  know, compared to NVIDIA, like, you know, like if you ask
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  someone you know on the street, like have you heard of NVIDIA
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  versus have you heard of MicroStrategy?
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  Most people, especially if they're like APC gamer, if they
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  know anything about computers, they're like, of course I know
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  what NVIDIA is. They make the GPU's right?
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  You ask some of my MicroStrategy, like you probably
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  wouldn't know who they are. And of course now it's different
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  with Michael Saylor stepping into the fold and you know,
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  being the Chad Sailor and evangelizing Bitcoin all over
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  the world, right? It's a little bit different now.
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  But the point that Sailor was trying to make is could you
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  imagine if NVIDIA as well as it has performed, right?
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  And I'm sure they have a tremendous amount of cash that
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  they're just sitting on. Could you imagine if they
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  adopted a Bitcoin strategy too, how much better their stock
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  would perform? Like it would perform 10 times
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  better or I don't even know. I can't even put a magnitude on
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  it. Right, so I think that's the
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  next step. I think sailor's signalling
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  something there. I think he's like, it's like
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  that meme of like, you know, the guy poking and he's like, why
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  won't you do something? And then it's just like all of a
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  sudden that like God, you know, God candle that metaphorically
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  takes his head off. Like it's like sailor, I think
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  is like poking around, you know, to to these companies and
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  basically saying like, look, guys, like, you know, I'm I'm
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  you might make the best GPU in the world, right?
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  You know that everyone's trying to buy because everyone's into
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  AI. But you know, I adopted a
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  Bitcoin strategy and I'm still outperforming you.
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  Like, you know, he's he's he's making his his message heard
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  right. So I think that's really the
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  next step. I think you hear the rumblings
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  from Michael Dell. He's been continuously
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  interacting with the Bitcoin community.
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  Could it be Dell Technologies that follows?
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  Is it Michael Dell that's going to invest individually?
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  I mean, I'll be honest with you, yes, great.
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  Michael Dell invests into Bitcoin individually.
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  You know, that's great news. But I would be much more excited
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  if, you know, Dell Technologies was like, yeah, you know what?
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  We're adapt. We're we're, we're putting
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  Bitcoin on our balance sheet, you know, because then I think
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  that would really start the domino effect.
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  And the domino effect is simple. Any company that adopts a
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  Bitcoin strategy has a competitive advantage versus the
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  companies that don't adopt A Bitcoin strategy.
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  By the way, this applies to everything.
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  This applies to individuals, this applies to nation states.
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  So really exciting stuff. I think we're on the cusp, you
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  know, I think it's taken a long time.
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  A lot of, you know, a lot of cold feet.
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  You know, of course, you have Metaplanet.
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  You know, you have a company in Japan.
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  You have Tesla, believe it or not, you know that they have a
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  good amount of Bitcoin that they're holding on their
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  balance. I know they sold some, but
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  still, you know, shout out to Elon.
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  Tesla still has like, you know, like, I think it's like 8 or
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  9000 Bitcoin. So what is the next Fortune 500
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  company to follow in the footsteps of Michael Saylor?
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  Michael Saylor's instigating them.
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  He's trying them. He's saying, look, my stock is
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  outperforming you guys. You might, you guys might make
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  the best iPhone in the world, but you know, we're just buying
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  a crap ton of Bitcoin. So I think it's just a matter of
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  time. And when that happens, I mean,
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  you know, like you're going to be lucky that you got some under
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  100 a $100,000, right. So you know, these are crazy
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  times, good times for Bitcoin on the political sphere and also on
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  the number go UPS sphere as well.
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  Anyways, it's going to be a great show.
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  We got we got so much content for you guys, one of our Co host
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  and As for today, of course, our boy Anders.
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  Anders throws the best parties in the industry and we're
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  honored to have him have him on the show today.
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  And the pleb party's coming up, Boy, it's coming up next week on
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  Thursday, July 25th. The pleb party's happening.
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  And there might be some, some some All Star appearances that
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  we're going to talk about today that might be showing up.
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  So really, really excited for that.
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  Anders, how you doing, bro? Dude, I feel like it's come such
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  a long way. The Miami party was an absolute
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  success. And the one in Nashville seems
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  to be, you know, it seems like I don't know how you could one up
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  the Miami one, but it seems like you're going to be one up, one
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  upping the Miami party, which is crazy.
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  Thank you, Nico. And then good to be here with
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  you guys. And right now I'm having the
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  exact same feeling as I had yesterday on those G money show.
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  I don't know if you if you know, he's he's got a like a yeah,
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  yeah. And and as I was sitting there
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  talking with him, I'm I'm like, like, bro, we got to get
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  together and get a beer and have a good time.
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  We need to go out soon. And I'm realizing, well, just
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  next Thursday, we're hanging out at the plep party in Nashville.
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  And, and it's the same with you guys.
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  I'm I'm looking forward, you guys are going to be there and
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  very happy about it. What, what does excite me about
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  the like the rooftop in Miami? Obviously it's hard to beat a
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  rooftop in Miami and a Bitcoin meme plep video all lasting for
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  one hour going on repeat. But I do absolutely love this
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  vineyard super cool has four different bars, not the one in
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  Miami. I I don't like people.
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  I have to wait in line to get a bar, especially when when
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  alcohol is included. I have a super cool branded
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  drinks menu from Swan, who is my sponsor.
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  Bunch of cool drinks, all names something Bitcoin, right?
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  There's Swan and chill bright orange future, all these, you
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  know, cool Bitcoin names and drinks.
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  But but the venue is is super, super dope.
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  It's giant in Miami. I had to turn people away
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  because of fire regulations and it just really hurt me.
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  So here we do have ample space, but obviously a price of tickets
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  go up as they sell out. And right now I think it's 11
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  tickets at $215 for 12 hours of open bar and food.
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  But and I can see now. I'm I'm going to interrupt you
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  for a SEC, Anders, for anyone who doesn't know what that
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  means, that means that the food and the drinks are included in
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  the ticket. Is that correct?
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  Yes, yes. It doesn't mean that the bar is
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  open for service then you have to pay.
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  It means it's free bar like the the the alcohol, the soft drink,
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  whatever is included as much as you can as you wish to consume.
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  Be responsible on a on a 12 hours.
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  Not everyone can party for 12 hours.
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  I mean, I've you know, it gets it's Viking style.
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  I gotta say like that's what we do here and and I'm not going to
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  diss Americans in general when it comes to that.
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  You guys can do great receptions, but but go go ahead.
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  Come over and and have fun for 12 hours.
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  As much as you as you can drink and eat.
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  It's included. Yeah, I.
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  I'm an old man at this point. I think I, I, I, I put my body
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  through the wringer growing up in Miami in my late teens and
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  early 20s and mid 20s. I don't know if I could do that
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  anymore, but Opti could hang in there for 12 hours.
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  I know he. Anders knows.
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  Anders knows. Like, I know you can hold it
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  down for 12 hours, you know, 12 hours are still long. 12 hours
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  are long. So also, I wanna give a shout
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  out to Modicio for sending me the lens swag.
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  I appreciate it, brother. Love Modicio.
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  Love what they're doing over there.
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  Anyways, guys, it's gonna be a great show.
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  Can't be. Can't wait to talk about the
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  pleb party. Michael Saylor's next.
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  Like what? What I think he's doing.
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  And of course, you know, JD Vance, right?
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  The, the, and look, guys, I'll be blunt with you.
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  According to the election odds and the fact that this guy
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  survived an assassination attempt by an inch, you know, it
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  seems like Trump has a 70% a chance of winning.
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  According to the Vegas betting odds.
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  The betting odds are much more accurate than the polls just
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  because people have are putting money at stake right?
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  So of course that could change there's many months towards the
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  election right? You never know what could
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  happen, but it seems like right now there's a good shot that
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  will have a pro Bitcoin president in the White House and
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  a Bitcoin owner as vice president, which is absolutely
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  nuts. This timeline is crazy, but you
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  know we're. We're the numbers, Nico.
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  I don't know when that video was played, but the vice president
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  might own 6.15 Bitcoin, which is kind of hilarious.
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  In the grand scheme of things, we are just getting started.
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  Anyways, I do want to talk about this man.
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  This man was just nominated for Vice president of the you know
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  of of the the Republican vice president nominee.
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  The elections happening in November.
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  But like I said, according to the betting odds and the fact
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  that Trump survived an assassination and law fair and
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  all of that stuff, it seems like, you know, Trump has a
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  really, really good chance of winning the presidency, which
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  means that this man will be vice president coming 2025.
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  And of course, 2025 is the year of the bull, which is crazy.
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  Now let's take a look at who JD Vance is from a Bitcoin
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  perspective. Again, we're a Bitcoin show.
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  I don't really care about all the other Fiat politics.
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  You guys know the deal. How how we how we stand here.
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  Anyways, so this is Ryan Adams. He's a bit of a shit coiner, but
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  I think this is good information.
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  And he says JD Vance is Trump's VP pick and the likely next vice
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  president. He, he strongly supports crypto.
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  He voted for the SAB 121 repeal. He's a holder and owned $250,000
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  worth of Bitcoin in 2022, likely more now.
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  He slammed Gensler in open letters.
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  I'll play a video for you that for you guys in a second
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  regarding that further evidence that Trump White House is pro
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  crypto. That is really, really good
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  news. Here is Jamison Lopp and here it
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  is an example of of you know, because of course he's a, he's a
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  member of, of, of Congress. So he has to disclose what his
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  holdings are and here it is. He owns about $250,000 one
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  100,000 to $250,000 worth of Bitcoin, right?
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  Not any other altcoin. And apparently he bought it on
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  coin base. Now is he taking self custody?
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  I don't know. I don't think so.
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  Just self custody, man. It's it's like you should do it.
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  I, I 100% believe that it's like not your keys and not your
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  cheese, but like, the fact is it's like it's not easy and it's
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  just like if you don't care, if you're not incentive, like if
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  you just don't care enough, like you're just like, yeah, I'm
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  going to leave it on Coinbase. It's safe.
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  It's my Bitcoin. No, it's not your Bitcoin.
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  So I don't know if he's taking self custody.
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  I don't think the the the world has a completely that I don't
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  think the world has completely come to realize the benefits of
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  taking sovereign ownership of your wealth.
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  But I think they will and some people will learn harder than
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  others by getting completely rug pulled by the exchanges anyways,
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  so moving on. He's he's said some really,
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  really base stuff in the past. Like for example, during the
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  Canadian truckers protest, here's Chris Christie Friedland.
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  She is the, excuse my language, absolute psychopath that just
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  went on live TV and basically said we're going to freeze
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  everyone's accounts because of their political beliefs.
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  And here's JD Vance responding to her.
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  She says this is when they froze the the Canadian truckers
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  accounts and stuff. And JD Vance responded, This is
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  why crypto is taking off. The regime will cut off your
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  access to banking if you have the wrong politics.
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  I mean, this sounds like something Opti would say, right?
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  The regime will cut off your access to banking if you have
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  the wrong politics. Like, you know, this is the guy
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  who's going to be vice president.
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  Now, there's a reason also as to why he was picked versus a lot
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  of the kind of establishment unit party Republicans was
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  because I think when Trump was very close to assassination, he
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  realized that he wants his legacy, his political legacy to
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  last. And he felt like JD Vance was
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  the guy that was going to propel that forward.
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  Anyways. Here's a video of the Senator
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  Vance and future, potential future Vice President Vance
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  absolutely shitting on Gary Gensler.
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  Just check it out. If there's a candidate for worst
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  person, in my view, at least in terms of my substantive
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  disagreements, I'm sure he's like a nice guy.
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  Is Gary Ginsler. OK, so Gary Ginsler is sort of
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  the complete opposite of my view.
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  And there are two problems that I have with Gary, one of which
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  is that I think he wants to inject politics way too much
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  into the actual business of securities in the United States
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  of America. But in some ways, the more
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  fundamental issue, at least the most relevant issue for this
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  particular conference, is the approach that Gary has taken to
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  regulating blockchain and crypto seems to be almost the exact
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  opposite of what it should be. You know, and I'm
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  oversimplifying a little bit, but the question the SEC seems
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  to ask in regulating crypto is, is this a token with utility?
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  And if it's a question, if it's a token with utility, then they
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  seem to want to ban it. And if it's token without
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  utility, they don't seem to care.
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  I almost think we should be the opposite here, right?
• 20:50
  I worry about financialization. I worry about, frankly, whether
• 20:53
  a lot of the crypto stuff is fundamentally fake.
• 20:55
  But if a token actually has utility, that's the sort of
• 20:57
  thing that, you know, by all means regulate it.
• 20:59
  By all means be careful about, you know, how consumers interact
• 21:01
  with it, but you don't want to just get rid of this stuff.
• 21:03
  And here's where I really, really worry about this is a lot
• 21:06
  of the newest challengers to social media.
• 21:10
  The social media incumbents of 2024 are going to require some
• 21:14
  blockchain technology to make their to make their business
• 21:16
  work. Maybe they'll require a, a, a, a
• 21:19
  token that supports verification.
• 21:21
  There are all of these ways in which the companies, when I talk
• 21:24
  to sort of friends who are still in the VC industry, the
• 21:26
  companies that are most exciting to them, they're doing actual
• 21:28
  things in communications in the 21st century.
• 21:31
  In 2024, I should say, those companies very often rely on
• 21:35
  high utility tokens to do things like verification.
• 21:38
  Well, if we're not making it possible to do verification,
• 21:41
  then we're going to make it really hard to challenge the
• 21:43
  existing incumbents in the space.
• 21:46
  OK, so all that being said, let's talk a little bit about
• 21:51
  this. So a, a lot of the stands that
• 21:56
  Bitcoiners took, including Michael Saylor was that, you
• 22:01
  know, everything other than Bitcoin was a security.
• 22:05
  Then the Democrats, the kind of like, you know, they realized
• 22:09
  that their anti Bitcoin stance wasn't exactly very popular.
• 22:13
  So they said, OK, you know what, we're going to approve this
• 22:17
  Ethereum ETF. Then JD Vance was referencing
• 22:22
  how, you know, Gary Genser has made this political and that
• 22:25
  that's the case that simply Bitcoin has been making for over
• 22:28
  a year now. It's like this is extremely
• 22:30
  political, how they're treating the entire industry now,
• 22:32
  something that Bitcoiners are going to have to come to terms
• 22:35
  with, which is in a way, it's kind of weird, right?
• 22:39
  It's like we're libertarians and we like capitalism and we like
• 22:43
  the free market. But but when it comes to Bitcoin
• 22:48
  and when it comes to shit coins, we want the government to give
• 22:51
  Bitcoin a special treatment versus the shit coins.
• 22:54
  Like you can't have one in the other, right?
• 22:58
  So what has become abundantly clear is that the entire
• 23:02
  industry is going to be under the Trump Vance administration,
• 23:08
  is going to be, you know, it's going to be, let's say, left
• 23:12
  alone to its own devices, right? Less regulation, less
• 23:15
  intervention, less politics, but what that also means is that
• 23:20
  Bitcoin is going to have to compete with all the other
• 23:23
  altcoins on the free and open market and let the best money
• 23:26
  win. And this is how it should be
• 23:28
  right? You shouldn't be rooting for
• 23:31
  crony capitalism where the government is picking which
• 23:36
  quote UN quote crypto is going to win and which crypto is not
• 23:40
  going to win. Yes, we could talk about the how
• 23:42
  we test. We could talk about how Ethereum
• 23:44
  had a pre mine. We could talk about how XRP had
• 23:46
  a pre mine. We could talk about the fact
• 23:48
  that they're really tech companies.
• 23:49
  They're not really like, it's not really a cryptocurrency.
• 23:52
  Vitalic, you know, has has openly called out for walking
• 23:56
  back the chain. They could change the rules of
• 23:59
  the monetary policy, you know, at the flick of a switch, you
• 24:01
  could talk about all of that stuff.
• 24:03
  But this is exactly why Bitcoin is going to win on the free and
• 24:06
  open market, right? We don't really need the
• 24:08
  government to pick who the winners and losers are.
• 24:11
  Now, I would say as a whole, I would rather live in a
• 24:14
  regulatory environment where the entire industry is just kind of
• 24:18
  left alone to its own devices versus an environment which is
• 24:23
  where we're currently in, where the current administration has
• 24:27
  been incredibly hostile towards us.
• 24:31
  The mining ban the the proposed 30% tax on Bitcoin miners to
• 24:37
  essentially destroy the industry Operation Choke .2 Point O
• 24:41
  denying Caitlin Long's crypto bank a federal banking charter.
• 24:46
  Like the list goes on. Elizabeth Foreign.
• 24:48
  Like literally going to legacy media and convincing them that
• 24:53
  Hamas is using Bitcoin to launder money when reality the
• 24:56
  vast majority of the money was being laundered through the
• 24:58
  traditional financial system. Like it just goes on and on and
• 25:01
  on and on and on how they tried to link finance to terrorism,
• 25:04
  right? How they're basically the FBI
• 25:06
  came out with the post trying to scare the shit out of everybody
• 25:10
  not to take self custody. How they've gone after Bitcoin
• 25:13
  privacy developers, how they went after the tornado cash
• 25:16
  developers. Like I literally the list goes
• 25:18
  on of how many things these people have done, which is why I
• 25:21
  created an opportunity for Trump to step in and RFK to step in
• 25:25
  and say, hey, if you vote for me, you know, I'll keep
• 25:29
  Elizabeth his words, not mine. Elizabeth Warren's goons away
• 25:32
  from the industry, right? So like, you know, like it's
• 25:37
  like, dude, they, they should, they, they created this whole
• 25:39
  mess in the 1st place. I look.
• 25:42
  And, and this is my last point. I'd rather live in a world where
• 25:46
  Bitcoin has to compete with shit coins on the open market and the
• 25:49
  government is not intervening versus a world where the
• 25:53
  government is completely intervening and going after
• 25:55
  everybody in the industry. And again, I think it's a little
• 26:00
  bit hypocritical from Bitcoiners to say, hey, you know what,
• 26:05
  please, Mr. Big Government of which we don't like pick
• 26:09
  Bitcoin, give Bitcoin special privileges and all these other
• 26:12
  shit coins. No, they don't deserve special
• 26:15
  privileges. That's Kearney capitalism,
• 26:16
  right? It's like that's supposed that's
• 26:18
  supposed to be what we're fighting against.
• 26:20
  Bitcoin will win based on its own incentives.
• 26:22
  That's what we believe here. It's simply Bitcoin.
• 26:25
  You're free to do whatever you want if you wanna buy, you know,
• 26:29
  whatever you know, I don't even can't even they mean they mean
• 26:33
  altcoin. They're all they're all trending
• 26:36
  pump. Rocket.
• 26:37
  Pump rocket is that a state? Yeah, was that OK?
• 26:40
  So if you want to buy pump rocket, like go go for it, dude,
• 26:44
  like go for it. That's that's totally up to you.
• 26:46
  Obviously we advocate for Bitcoin.
• 26:48
  You know, you stay humble, you stack sats, your life will
• 26:50
  improve. If you want to D Gen. a little
• 26:53
  bit on shit coins, that's up to you.
• 26:55
  Obviously, we, we, we we advise you not to here at simply
• 27:00
  anyways, stay humble, Stack Sats Opti.
• 27:02
  What's your what's your take on this?
• 27:04
  This is pretty base vice president.
• 27:06
  Dude. There's some been some clips.
• 27:07
  I I didn't, I didn't play them on today's show, but there's
• 27:10
  been some clips of of some of his political ads where dude,
• 27:13
  he's an absolute savage. Like, the guy's absolutely
• 27:16
  hilarious and he know that movie Bill something elegy or
• 27:22
  something. Hillbilly Elegy.
• 27:25
  Hillbilly Elegy. You know that's based on his
• 27:27
  life, right? I haven't seen it but yeah, I
• 27:29
  heard. So, yeah, so apparently this
• 27:31
  guy's super based, he owns Bitcoin.
• 27:34
  All good things. Anyway, so what's your take Opti
• 27:35
  and move on to Anders? Yeah.
• 27:37
  So my take, you know, I do agree with a lot of what you said.
• 27:41
  I am a bit conflicted on this choice of JD Vant and I don't
• 27:45
  know the insurance and outs of the decision guys.
• 27:47
  Again, I'm I'm like probably the most apolitical person on simply
• 27:50
  Bitcoin here. But on the one hand, he's a
• 27:53
  Bitcoiner. He seems to understand that it's
• 27:56
  Bitcoin only. Yes, it's still probably on
• 27:59
  Coinbase. So we got to work on that.
• 28:01
  And on the other hand, he's Peter Thiel's prodigy and that's
• 28:05
  PayPal mafia and a literal intelligence spook.
• 28:08
  So I'm a tad iffy on this one. Just, you know, kind of going
• 28:13
  through the game theory of of where this is going.
• 28:16
  On the one hand, again, like it, it feels great.
• 28:18
  He, he is saying some funny stuff on Twitter.
• 28:21
  I've seen some really funny takes and, and some, some
• 28:24
  snapshots coming out of articles about him and his, I don't know
• 28:29
  what you'd call it, like his, his inner group of people that
• 28:31
  work with him, which I, which I finally really like.
• 28:34
  He, he sounds like an Anon on Twitter.
• 28:36
  And then there's some other stuff I've seen.
• 28:38
  I can't really say it on YouTube, but he, he was a
• 28:43
  proponent of, you know, sticking things in your arms and telling
• 28:46
  people they should get cancelled as well.
• 28:47
  So I'm a bit conflicted though. I think, you know, it's been a
• 28:51
  couple years and and I do, I do hold the option for people to
• 28:55
  change their mind. So on on that note, you know,
• 28:58
  like I don't know the real insurance and outs of what's
• 29:00
  going on it. It does probably seem like a
• 29:02
  good pick and hopefully it is a good look for the Bitcoin
• 29:05
  industry at large. Again, we do got to work on it
• 29:08
  'cause it probably seems like he's leaving his coins on
• 29:11
  Coinbase, so we got to get it to self custody.
• 29:13
  So there's some work to do with the vice president.
• 29:16
  But it would be kind of funny if he did own 6.15 Bitcoin.
• 29:19
  Like it's our meme world and everyone else who's just living
• 29:22
  in it. But I do agree with his takes on
• 29:25
  Gary Gensler. You know, Gigi has used the SEC
• 29:29
  to politicize the Bitcoin space. We've been covering that on the
• 29:32
  show for I don't even know how long now, years at this point.
• 29:36
  And it's becoming very obvious. And you know, Nico, Nico says it
• 29:39
  all the time. Like we tried to stay out of
• 29:42
  politics as much as possible until politics landed on our
• 29:45
  front door. And now I don't think we until
• 29:47
  they. Started locking us in in in
• 29:49
  boxes, yeah. Exactly we.
• 29:51
  Literally tried to take the most neutral, like center line,
• 29:55
  whatever. And then they like dude, like,
• 29:57
  and then it was just like, OK, you guys are fucking with our
• 30:00
  industry. You guys are, you know, pulling
• 30:03
  us in boxes. You guys are jailing us.
• 30:05
  You guys are going after us like it.
• 30:07
  It didn't give us an option, but to kind of get involved.
• 30:10
  And by the way, I got to say like the Democrats created that
• 30:15
  opportunity for the Republicans to capitalize on because of
• 30:19
  their stance on Bitcoin. Anyways, I, I do want to play
• 30:21
  this video before I pass it on to Anders because I think it's
• 30:24
  hilarious. Opti Opti tried not to lie.
• 30:28
  Are you a racist? Do you hate Mexicans?
• 30:37
  Yeah, that's I'm starting to like this guy.
• 30:43
  Oh, man. Yeah.
• 30:45
  So anyway, anyways, like I was saying, you know, we've seen
• 30:49
  Gary Gensler take a political stance on Bitcoin.
• 30:52
  And I totally agree with what Nico was saying though on the
• 30:55
  last part of that bit. Like I'm not exactly sure what
• 30:58
  he was saying about regulation, but if, if, if I think he's
• 31:01
  saying less regulations, then I'm, I, I totally agree with
• 31:06
  that. So, you know, there's Bitcoin
• 31:08
  and then there's everything else.
• 31:10
  And it it seems, though, like the presidential Republican
• 31:15
  ticket right now is angling really strong to embrace the
• 31:19
  Bitcoin community. Let's be real.
• 31:21
  Let's be real, to embrace the crypto industry.
• 31:24
  Whatever, dude. They're, they're, they're vying
• 31:26
  for votes. They're politicians.
• 31:28
  I get it. But you know what's good for
• 31:30
  Bitcoin is good for everything else.
• 31:32
  So let's let's see what happens. Yeah, yeah, and and again, like
• 31:36
  let let Bitcoin win on the free and open market.
• 31:39
  We're not going to get special treatment and I don't think we
• 31:41
  should be rooting for special treatment.
• 31:43
  I think that's the most anti Bitcoin ask thing to to say.
• 31:49
  Anyways, Anders, what are what are your thoughts on all this
• 31:51
  Brother A? Lot of thoughts.
• 31:53
  First of all, Nico, remember like early days coming on simply
• 32:01
  I was not supposed to say anything political, but it's so
• 32:03
  hard for me to keep my mouth shut and I'm I'm I'm liking to
• 32:07
  see you guys like, you know, grow up and and and and speak up
• 32:11
  for what's important, but they. They almost shot our guy, bro.
• 32:14
  Like come on now, you know? Yeah.
• 32:17
  No, no, but it I, I get it. You don't want to rule.
• 32:21
  You want to educate everyone across like everyone in in in US
• 32:25
  about Bitcoin, and that means you don't want to push anyone
• 32:28
  away. Now it makes more sense.
• 32:30
  Obviously you guys are doing, you know, obviously once again
• 32:33
  the right thing because now there's someone that's actually
• 32:36
  endorsing and pro Bitcoin, both for the president and the vice
• 32:40
  president post. So it it makes sense to make
• 32:43
  that choice because it's just better for humanity in terms of
• 32:47
  like the individuals. Of course I have an opinion.
• 32:49
  But I think to me, by far the most important thing is that it,
• 32:54
  it's not about which, you know, politics today, it's it's a
• 32:58
  charade. It doesn't matter.
• 33:00
  What matters is we have a fake money that destroys everything
• 33:06
  so they can fight and all that. And people think that by voting
• 33:10
  they can help make the world a better place.
• 33:12
  You can't fix a world based on fake money, which it is when you
• 33:16
  have central banking and Fiat currency and there's no value
• 33:18
  behind. It's just a debt certificate at
• 33:21
  the end of the day, $1.00 bill. So if we can get these guys,
• 33:26
  will not we get them. But if these guys push through
• 33:29
  Bitcoin to success and we have hyper bitcoinization and we can
• 33:33
  replace fake money, AKA the dollar, etcetera with real money
• 33:38
  like Bitcoin, then the world will be a better place faster
• 33:43
  and politicians will matter even less.
• 33:46
  Because what people don't like, bitcoiners get it.
• 33:50
  But you know, the rest of the population don't get it, that if
• 33:54
  we fix the money, we fix the world.
• 33:57
  And by getting the entire world on a Bitcoin standard, so many
• 34:01
  of those problems we're seeing today, they're just going to
• 34:04
  disappear. So I'm happy that that there's a
• 34:07
  chance to vote for someone that pro Bitcoin, that we have
• 34:09
  someone pro Bitcoin potentially going into the White House,
• 34:12
  likely going into the White House.
• 34:15
  That's that's awesome. And also, I just want to say,
• 34:17
  Nico, I was laughing when you said early on in the show that
• 34:20
  you were getting old now because you're like half my age.
• 34:22
  But nice one. Man, I don't know, I love you,
• 34:29
  Anders, and you party harder than I do, so I don't know who's
• 34:33
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  clip. Michael Saylor.
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  Hey, I didn't mean he's like playing like 40 chess.
• 38:01
  I would say Bitcoin is the best performing asset.
• 38:05
  Here's Fox Business and here's I believe his name is Charles
• 38:08
  Payne. He's been a huge fan of Bitcoin.
• 38:10
  He's had Natalie Burnell on the show many times.
• 38:13
  Let's check out what he has to say about Bitcoin.
• 38:17
  Why do people love Bitcoin? Why do they love crypto?
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  Well, I got to tell you something. 28% of young folks
• 38:22
  said he won it and I'll tell you why.
• 38:24
  Going back to 2013, the number one asset, the number one
• 38:28
  performing asset, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin,
• 38:33
  Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin.
• 38:36
  How much? How about 315,000 percent,
• 38:42
  315,000%? Why do people love Bitcoin?
• 38:47
  Why do they love, I mean, I mean, the, the, the, the facts
• 38:51
  speak for themselves Like it is, it is what it is.
• 38:54
  Like you see it, you see Bitcoins off years.
• 38:58
  You know, that's down years right here.
• 39:00
  You know, what's the, what's the meme like 3 green, one red.
• 39:04
  You kind of see it here. It's pretty funny.
• 39:07
  So we still got two, we still got two more green or I think we
• 39:10
  are at, yeah, we're one green and then next year green
• 39:13
  anyways. So Sailor basically, again, you
• 39:16
  have to understand Sailor is promoting this with the hopes
• 39:20
  that other public companies are going to hop on the bandwagon,
• 39:25
  right? Because Sailor has positioned
• 39:27
  himself where he owns 1% of the supply of this entire thing.
• 39:33
  And any other public company like the, the basically the
• 39:37
  first one to the party wins, right?
• 39:39
  So the second one, maybe it's Dell Technologies.
• 39:43
  They're going to be able to build a nice stack, but and you
• 39:46
  know, the price is going to continue to increase as more of
• 39:49
  these companies by, by Bitcoin, right?
• 39:52
  And I think that's the the final, final game plan.
• 39:55
  Anyways, here is Michael Saylor and again, a little bit of a
• 39:59
  flex here, right, which is to outperform NVIDIA get on the
• 40:04
  Bitcoin standard, right? And that's so true.
• 40:07
  So NVIDIA has 10X since August 10th, 2020.
• 40:11
  MicroStrategy has 12X since August 10th, 2020.
• 40:16
  I mean, that says it all. You have Tesla, you have Google,
• 40:20
  you have Microsoft, you have Apple, you have Meta, you have
• 40:22
  Netflix, you have Amazon. And MicroStrategy, which is a
• 40:27
  software company, you know, again, they don't make, and I'm
• 40:30
  not trying to shit on MicroStrategy or anything, but
• 40:32
  like NVIDIA is a like the best GPU manufacturer in the world.
• 40:38
  Like they make the latest and greatest chips for AI, right?
• 40:44
  And you know, like, it's like they're, they're making literal
• 40:46
  chips, right? Like if you have a gaming
• 40:48
  computer, like you either have an AMD or NVIDIA, most likely
• 40:52
  you have NVIDIA, right? Those are those guys, right?
• 40:56
  MicroStrategy, it's like, you know, they, they offer, you
• 40:59
  know, corporate software solutions, right?
• 41:02
  Like in what world is a MicroStrategy outperforming
• 41:06
  NVIDIA? And this is where Michael
• 41:07
  Saylor's making his point to outperform NVIDIA.
• 41:10
  Get on the Bitcoin standard. This is why Peter McCormack
• 41:14
  named his conference the one that he doesn't Bedford, Bedford
• 41:18
  cheat code because it is a cheat code.
• 41:20
  When you move on to a Bitcoin standard, when you adopt A
• 41:24
  Bitcoin standard, whether you're an individual, a nation state,
• 41:30
  whatever it is, an individual, a nation state, a public company,
• 41:33
  you have a competitive advantage to everybody else.
• 41:37
  And that's the point that Michael Saylor is trying to
• 41:40
  make. And This is why he keeps posting
• 41:43
  stuff like this, right? The world has not awakened to
• 41:46
  this reality yet, but they're getting close.
• 41:49
  Remember what Larry Fink said yesterday?
• 41:52
  He went on, on CNNBC on Legacy Financial Media and he basically
• 41:57
  said like, look like, you know, he initially he was a skeptic.
• 42:01
  He called Bitcoin an index of money laundering.
• 42:04
  And then Fast forward five years later and after these crazy
• 42:09
  absolute gains, you have Larry Fink, you know, basically saying
• 42:14
  using all the Bitcoin talking points, like that's not a
• 42:17
  coincidence. So this is what Michael Saylor
• 42:19
  is expecting. Michael Saylor is hoping that a
• 42:22
  public company falls in its footsteps.
• 42:25
  It seems like it might be Dell. Is it Dell?
• 42:28
  Is it Michael Dell stacking Bitcoin for himself?
• 42:31
  Is it Dell Technologies, you know, putting Bitcoin on their
• 42:34
  balance sheet? But I think it's a race.
• 42:37
  And I think, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to find
• 42:39
  out this cycle which company is going to follow suit.
• 42:42
  And I'm telling you that once one of these tech companies,
• 42:46
  right, Tesla already owns Bitcoin, but once one of these
• 42:49
  tech companies, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Meta, Netflix,
• 42:53
  Amazon, once one of them announces that they have
• 42:56
  exposure to Bitcoin, holy cow, you're, you're going to be so
• 43:01
  happy you bought Bitcoin below $100,000 because things are
• 43:05
  really, really going to move extremely quickly.
• 43:09
  And I think, look, the numbers are there, the data's there.
• 43:11
  I think it's just a matter of like, it's corporate culture,
• 43:15
  you know, like it it if you spend a lot of time in the Fiat
• 43:18
  matrix and you're used to operating a certain way, Bitcoin
• 43:23
  is different. You know, Bitcoin is, is is is
• 43:25
  radical in a way, the Overton in terms of the Overton window in
• 43:30
  terms of, you know, the the these companies and, you know,
• 43:33
  their traditional kind of financial officers, they see
• 43:36
  Bitcoin potentially as as too volatile, too risky, right?
• 43:40
  But the numbers speak for themselves.
• 43:41
  Like it is what it is. Like, yeah, it might be a bumpy
• 43:44
  ride, a bumpy ride, and the volatility might be pretty
• 43:48
  crazy, but it generally goes up into the right versus Fiat,
• 43:52
  which goes down into the right forever.
• 43:55
  And they could say it's only 2%, but yeah, 2% adds up over time,
• 44:01
  right? You lose purchasing power and
• 44:03
  all these companies have hundreds of millions of dollars,
• 44:06
  if not billions of dollars worth of cash or cash equivalents that
• 44:11
  they're just holding on to. That's like holding on to
• 44:14
  melting ice cubes. And another thing that I got to
• 44:16
  say and then before I pass it on to Anders is remember, you don't
• 44:21
  change Bitcoin, Bitcoin changes you.
• 44:23
  A lot of these companies, I know what a lot of you guys are
• 44:26
  thinking, you might not like their cultures, right?
• 44:29
  Like with Google, with Netflix, like you might not like what's
• 44:33
  going on inside those companies. Like you might see them as like,
• 44:38
  I don't like Google, like they censor.
• 44:39
  I don't, I don't like what, you know, what Meta was doing, like
• 44:43
  they were censoring certain political viewpoints.
• 44:46
  I don't like Netflix, like their content like it's just trash.
• 44:49
  Gosh, it's garbage. I think that's a symptom of
• 44:52
  broken money. I think that if you fix the
• 44:55
  money, you fix like a core issue.
• 44:59
  I think money plays a crucial role in the human experience.
• 45:03
  And if that element is corrupted, right, it's
• 45:08
  completely disconnected from reality.
• 45:11
  I think that there's consequences to that that we
• 45:14
  fully don't understand. But if you look at throughout
• 45:17
  history, whether it was the founding of the United States or
• 45:21
  whether it was the Roman Empire, right, you look at examples of
• 45:27
  the ravages of inflation, of what it did to society.
• 45:30
  I mean, even George Washington has a quote on paper money and
• 45:36
  he was not a fan of paper money and he saw like, here's the
• 45:42
  quote. Paper money has the has had the
• 45:44
  effect in your state that it will ever have to ruin commerce,
• 45:48
  oppress the honest and open the door to every species of fraud
• 45:52
  and injustice. So like, what I'm trying to say
• 45:56
  is that, like, I think Bitcoin is going to fix not only, you
• 46:01
  know, the monetary aspects, but also the cultural aspects of a
• 46:06
  lot of these companies. You don't change Bitcoin.
• 46:10
  Bitcoin changes you. And I think a lot of people
• 46:13
  underestimate that. A lot of people don't fully
• 46:16
  appreciate it. We already have an example of a
• 46:18
  country that made Bitcoin legal tender.
• 46:21
  What happened, right? It's not a coincidence that the,
• 46:24
  the, the, the, it's not a coincidence that the country
• 46:28
  that made Bitcoin legal tender has the most popular president
• 46:32
  in the Americas. It's not a coincidence that the
• 46:34
  first country that made Bitcoin legal tender, you know, has a
• 46:38
  society where the incentives are aligned, where people are
• 46:41
  actually happy with their government, right?
• 46:44
  I think whether it's on the corporate level or on the nation
• 46:47
  state level, you have multiple examples of misaligned
• 46:51
  incentives and you have multiple examples of an entire system, a
• 46:56
  corporate system, a national system operating on a
• 46:59
  fundamentally spiritual and financially corrupt base layer.
• 47:05
  And that's what Bitcoin ultimately fixes.
• 47:07
  And I truly believe that if you fix that base layer, if you
• 47:10
  address the problem, there's a lot of good things, a lot of
• 47:14
  unintended consequences that come out of it that we can't
• 47:17
  foresee. But the reason I'm saying this
• 47:20
  is because I've seen what Bitcoin has done to my life.
• 47:23
  I've seen what Bitcoin has done to optis life.
• 47:26
  I've seen what Bitcoin has done to companies that have adopted
• 47:29
  adopted it. I've seen what Bitcoin has done
• 47:31
  to nations that have adopted it. I've seen what Bitcoin has done
• 47:34
  to my family. I've seen what Bitcoin has done
• 47:37
  spiritually and financially to the people that have truly
• 47:41
  adopted a Bitcoin standard. It's changed them for the
• 47:44
  better. Now imagine the entire world on
• 47:48
  that new operating system. It would fundamentally radically
• 47:52
  change things for the better. And I think it would make the
• 47:55
  world a much better place. So I think sailors doing his
• 47:59
  bit, he's evangelizing it, he's pushing it forward and I it just
• 48:04
  takes one of these companies to bite and I think we're very,
• 48:06
  very close whether that's Dell, that would be absolutely
• 48:10
  bonkers. But I think you know, the, the,
• 48:14
  the, the, the rest of this year is going to be absolute
• 48:16
  fireworks and starting off with the Bitcoin conference next week
• 48:20
  and of course the plug party the day before the Bitcoin
• 48:23
  conference starts, man. So anyways I want to get your
• 48:26
  guys thoughts. Anders, what's on your mind bro?
• 48:30
  Yeah, No, I think I obviously love the MicroStrategy play and
• 48:36
  I think there's some a nice hidden gem in the fact that
• 48:39
  they've been outperforming Bitcoin itself.
• 48:43
  And how is that possible? Well, MicroStrategy is using the
• 48:49
  legacy financial systems and its downsides to essentially do all
• 48:56
  these different movements of or moves that generates funds for
• 49:01
  him so he can buy more Bitcoin. So what has happened with
• 49:05
  MicroStrategy ever since August 2020, almost four years ago,
• 49:10
  pretty much every month he's by few satoshis, some Satoshis, he
• 49:16
  increases the amount of Bitcoin Satoshis that each stock
• 49:21
  represent. So he outperforms because each
• 49:25
  stock is worth more denominated in Bitcoin.
• 49:29
  It holds more Bitcoin in on the balance sheet of the company and
• 49:32
  that's why he outperforms Bitcoin.
• 49:35
  That's super exciting. And, and once we get some of
• 49:38
  these many companies that that you're referring to, I mean
• 49:41
  MicroStrategy, just just a small company compared to these,
• 49:44
  right? Google, Amazon, Apple, the
• 49:47
  amount of money they have, it'll, it'll take us, you know,
• 49:51
  it'll take us to a different kind of highs on on that price
• 49:55
  chart. 100% man, I I and I'm so happy that you know, and again,
• 50:00
  guys, do you do do you want Google to front run you man,
• 50:05
  like that would be that would be, you know, do you want do you
• 50:08
  want meta? Do you want suck to front run?
• 50:11
  You mean sucks? Goats are named Bitcoin, right?
• 50:13
  So I'm pretty sure he owns some. No, he definitely owns some, but
• 50:17
  you imagine being front run by Facebook like that would be
• 50:20
  pretty lame. So anyways, Opti, what's what's
• 50:24
  your take on this? I mean, I also want to give a
• 50:26
  shout out to Sailor. Like he's putting on the
• 50:28
  pressure, bro. He's putting his giant
• 50:30
  metaphorical on the table. And you know, he's basically
• 50:37
  flexing like, yo, like I got this figured out bro, 'cause I
• 50:41
  adopted a, a Bitcoin standard and you have not.
• 50:45
  And even though you make the best GPUs in the world, my stock
• 50:48
  is still outperforming yours, bitch.
• 50:51
  So of course he's saying that nicely and politically and like,
• 50:55
  whatever. But he's saying that like, let's
• 50:57
  be real now. Opti, what's your take?
• 51:01
  Well, first I just want to dock Sneako a little bit.
• 51:04
  That's Nico's favorite saying ever.
• 51:06
  He. Says it all the time.
• 51:09
  Anyways, anyways, I'm convinced and I was actually talking to a
• 51:13
  couple of friends last night, some Bitcoin friends, and I'm
• 51:16
  I'm absolutely convinced we are on the best timeline possible.
• 51:19
  Like Bitcoin is winning so hard. It's incredible people are still
• 51:22
  ignoring it. And first and foremost, I
• 51:25
  absolutely love Charles Payne. He's he's the GOAT.
• 51:28
  Like I love how he was like skeptical for a while and now
• 51:31
  he's just blasting Bitcoin signal on Fox News or legacy
• 51:36
  media in general. And he's just like a full blown
• 51:38
  bitcoiner. It it's been beautiful to watch
• 51:41
  him go from like a skeptic to now pumping Bitcoin as much as
• 51:45
  possible on the show. And he's literally saying what
• 51:48
  we've been saying for a long time.
• 51:50
  It's like beat the drum and continue to get these messages
• 51:54
  across to people that Bitcoin is the number one performing asset
• 51:57
  of the last decade. Like it's the best thing to be
• 52:00
  holding. And like I started this.
• 52:01
  It's absolutely amazing to me that people still ignore it,
• 52:05
  that they think it's nothing. You know, it's just fake
• 52:07
  Internet money, Internet nerd money or whatever.
• 52:09
  It's like, oh, I can't hold it. It's not real.
• 52:11
  And it's like, yeah, whatever. Like, it's the best performing
• 52:14
  asset period in the last decade, and yet you still ignore it.
• 52:18
  And, you know, yesterday we played the Jim Cramer talking
• 52:21
  with Larry Fink and that, you know, there was that little
• 52:24
  tidbit where, and this probably isn't a good sign for us.
• 52:27
  Bitcoin is considering the inverse Kramer rule.
• 52:30
  But even he was on the show like, oh, Larry Fink embraces
• 52:34
  Bitcoin. Like I, I guess I got to look
• 52:36
  into Bitcoin. So we're seeing this moment
• 52:38
  right now in history where it's not only becoming a, you know, a
• 52:41
  political talking point, it is it is getting thrust into the
• 52:45
  mainstream, into the mainstream media, into the mainstream
• 52:48
  consciousness. And now everyone is going to
• 52:50
  have an opinion on Bitcoin, whether it's good or bad bad.
• 52:53
  And obviously this is good for bit good for Bitcoin.
• 52:56
  And then on the Michael Saylor point, I'm still and I, you
• 53:03
  know, I might be the only one in the room here that says this or
• 53:06
  even believes this, but I'm still convinced that the AI pump
• 53:10
  is is like its hype. It it reminds me a lot of like
• 53:12
  chic coin pump and dumps. And of course, NVIDIA makes
• 53:17
  chips for more than just AI, but I think that's why their their
• 53:20
  stock is running so high. And it's absolutely incredible
• 53:23
  that MicroStrategy is is even able to outperform that.
• 53:27
  And again, like for all of us Bitcoiners that we constantly
• 53:31
  talk about Bitcoin as the best thing to hold to protect
• 53:34
  yourself, you know, self sovereign money, freedom money
• 53:37
  and all that good stuff. We got to remember that most
• 53:39
  people that are on the fence still kind of think of Bitcoin
• 53:42
  as an investment and having all these different talking points
• 53:46
  where it's like, yeah, well, if you just look at it as an
• 53:49
  investment, you're still missing the best horse in the race
• 53:52
  because you don't think it's real.
• 53:53
  And so just constantly getting these ideas and accepting
• 53:57
  Bitcoin into the minds of your friends and family in different
• 53:59
  ways, because not everyone's going to look at Bitcoin and and
• 54:04
  get orange peeled in the same way that we are showing them
• 54:07
  that Bitcoin is the best performing asset.
• 54:08
  It's literally the best thing to be holding right now, even in
• 54:12
  the face of the AI, you know, pumps and the hype of AI right
• 54:16
  now. I think these are very important
• 54:19
  moments. And Bitcoin is clearly a cheat
• 54:21
  code. Like, you know, shouts out to
• 54:23
  McCormick for naming his his conference at because it it's
• 54:26
  very good branding. Like it literally is the cheat
• 54:28
  code. Like all you have to do stack
• 54:30
  SAT or save in Bitcoin, take it into custody and chill and just
• 54:34
  continue to repeat this. Make sure you of cash flow
• 54:36
  coming in, make sure you're living under your means, make
• 54:39
  sure you're not selling your Bitcoin and you're going to live
• 54:42
  a better life. And we're constantly seeing
• 54:44
  these messages on social media of millennials and zoomers and
• 54:47
  even some Gen. Xers out there, just like going
• 54:50
  through the rat race and feeling the pain and wondering how to
• 54:54
  survive the, the, this moment in history where inflation is, is
• 54:58
  rampant, it's going out of control.
• 55:00
  Groceries are going crazy. Most of us young people probably
• 55:03
  will never own a house. And we're here every single day
• 55:06
  like just saving Bitcoin for the long term.
• 55:09
  And I'm telling you, you will be good.
• 55:12
  Yes, you may not be a Michael Saylor or, you know, Elon Musk
• 55:16
  or something, but you will have something to hold on to.
• 55:19
  And I think this is one of the most important messages that we
• 55:22
  can be doubling down on. People be like, look, you need
• 55:25
  to own something. You need to save and something
• 55:27
  that cannot be debased. Obviously, it probably hits
• 55:30
  harder when you speak on like a fifth grade level.
• 55:32
  It's like you need to save something that can't, that can't
• 55:34
  be destroyed. It's very simple.
• 55:35
  But doubling down on what Nico said about once these mega
• 55:39
  corporations start to embrace Bitcoin or put it on their
• 55:41
  balance sheet, I think it's going to be very crazy if like
• 55:45
  Apple ever allows Bitcoin to be used in payments over the the
• 55:49
  Apple iPhone or even the MacBook because they're one of the
• 55:53
  biggest computers in the world. And that would literally open up
• 55:56
  Bitcoin to millions of people. And like this is how we really
• 56:00
  win the Bitcoin race is by having more people hold Bitcoin,
• 56:04
  more people use Bitcoin. And so yes, of course, you love
• 56:08
  to see corporations add Bitcoin on their balance sheet because
• 56:11
  it further proves our theories and our thesis about Bitcoin and
• 56:15
  it and it obviously like makes us look right, but we really
• 56:19
  just want more people holding Bitcoin, more people saving
• 56:21
  Bitcoin. This is how we win.
• 56:23
  It's not just about big mega corporations and billionaires
• 56:26
  holding on to Bitcoin and never using it and putting it on their
• 56:29
  balance sheet as a reserve asset.
• 56:30
  It's having individuals use Bitcoin daily saving Bitcoin
• 56:34
  daily or weekly or monthly or whatever their expenses are, and
• 56:38
  that's how we really blow up this Bitcoin adoption race
• 56:41
  happening. But again, like I I kind of
• 56:44
  doubt it will happen for a long time, considering that apple is
• 56:47
  probably trying to like save their Moat with the Apple Pay
• 56:50
  system, which is absolutely great.
• 56:51
  I love I love Apple but but also like.
• 56:53
  They don't. They need to like they can.
• 56:55
  They can do both like they. Don't.
• 56:57
  No, I know that's. What I'm saying like, you know,
• 57:00
  incorporate. But what if they did?
• 57:03
  If they did add Bitcoin on their payment platform then that would
• 57:08
  open it up to millions. Well, well, well, becomes a self
• 57:10
  fulfilling prophecy, right, 'cause if they're holding
• 57:12
  Bitcoin on their balance sheet, then they're incentivized to
• 57:15
  integrate Bitcoin into their products, right?
• 57:17
  Like this is like, this is aligned incentives.
• 57:19
  I can't emphasize that enough. Like once you see it, you're
• 57:21
  like, wow, everything's aligned anyways, should shall we talk
• 57:25
  about the pleb party? Shall we talk about the pleb
• 57:29
  party? Yeah, yeah.
• 57:31
  I think it's a good idea. I vote yes yes Opti votes no, so
• 57:37
  Opti has been officially kicked off simply Bitcoin.
• 57:41
  All right everybody, let's get to the culture lots to talk
• 57:43
  about. Let's check it out the daily
• 57:47
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• 58:57
  All right, I'm excited. Now we get to talk about the
• 59:00
  party. And of course, the party I'm
• 59:02
  talking about is the pleb party in Nashville that's hosted by
• 59:07
  the best party thrower in the industry, our boy Anders in the
• 59:12
  house today. Anders.
• 59:14
  I'm so excited about this, bro. You know, the last one in Miami
• 59:18
  had a great time. It was it was just sick.
• 59:21
  The venue was awesome. It was just a great time.
• 59:24
  So you met you just saw everyone was there like like no one, no
• 59:29
  one that went to the Bitcoin conference in Miami did not go
• 59:33
  to that party. Like it was the place to be.
• 59:36
  And I remember like, you know, like all these people were
• 59:40
  trying to get in through the door and it was like, no tickets
• 59:42
  were sold out. Sorry, you can't come in, right.
• 59:45
  So, yeah, man, it was just such a great time.
• 59:47
  And I know you're just going to level it up this time.
• 59:50
  So could you talk a little bit about this venue that you found?
• 59:52
  Right? You know, the, the, the thing
• 59:54
  that I've been reading is a a rustic automobile factory from
• 59:58
  1910. What?
• 59:59
  That could either sound like, you know, like a horror show or
• 1:00:03
  that could sound like a really, really cool place to throw a
• 1:00:06
  party. So first of all, how did you?
• 1:00:08
  Find that venue. Yeah, but before, before I
• 1:00:12
  answer you, Anika's because you guys have some great sponsors
• 1:00:16
  and and I think you know, when there's something good, I just
• 1:00:20
  want to also help you actually get that message across.
• 1:00:23
  I I'm on Orange Palat myself now, really enjoying it.
• 1:00:26
  So I recommend it. Matteo behind it is great.
• 1:00:29
  So you know, a shout out there to, to one of your sponsors and
• 1:00:34
  also he's got a, there's a section for the Bitcoin
• 1:00:37
  conference in Nashville and there's another event there for
• 1:00:42
  my pleb party. So orange collab is, is great.
• 1:00:45
  And and then also, I just want to say that your your audience
• 1:00:51
  here is, is on fire because several tickets were sold now
• 1:00:56
  here just while we were talking about it during the show.
• 1:00:59
  And yeah, shout out to simply Bitcoin and the lid audience.
• 1:01:03
  There's currently now because of that eight tickets left at the
• 1:01:06
  current price. So that's super cool.
• 1:01:08
  Thank you for thank you for for the help in in promoting.
• 1:01:13
  How did I find it? So finding the right venue
• 1:01:18
  before a pleb party is actually it's a lot of fun, but it's also
• 1:01:22
  a bit of work. And, and what happened on this
• 1:01:25
  one? I went to Nashville at the end
• 1:01:27
  of February. I was looking for something that
• 1:01:31
  could be super cool. Kendall came with me and helped
• 1:01:35
  out and, and she said we should we should go check out this this
• 1:01:40
  spot called Marathon music works.
• 1:01:41
  And I'm like, I think it's a little far from from the, from
• 1:01:46
  the actual conference venue Music City.
• 1:01:49
  However, it's only 8 minutes in in an Uber, but, you know, being
• 1:01:52
  perfectionistic, I want everything to be, you know, as
• 1:01:55
  as good as possible. But so we went there and checked
• 1:01:57
  it out. Absolutely loved the place it
• 1:02:00
  it, It's a literally like an old automobile factory.
• 1:02:05
  And I say automobile instead of cars because that's what they
• 1:02:07
  were called back then. So it's a really cool olfactory
• 1:02:10
  building that's turned into a venue for concerts.
• 1:02:13
  We went to a concert there. Dropkick Murphy's super cool
• 1:02:18
  Irish band. And yeah, and in this place
• 1:02:22
  there's four boss, not the one that we had in Miami.
• 1:02:26
  So it's leveled up better capacity and last time won't
• 1:02:30
  have to turn. I hope not have to turn people
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  away. But the tickets of course, are
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  more expensive in in the last week.
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  So you save money by by buying now.
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  It's it it has several rooms, which makes it cool.
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  There's, you know, this many places you can go off and sit
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  with your friends and talk and chat.
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  And then there's a bar down at the end, like there's four bars,
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  but there's a, a really cool bar that is, looks like a, you know,
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  a normal bar. So just really cool, old, like
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  brick walls, lots of atmosphere. I'm renting some furniture and
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  yeah, I, I can't wait. It's, it's, I'm looking for it,
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  of course. I mean, yeah, I'm excited.
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  It's going to be absolutely awesome.
• 1:03:18
  I have a question for you. What like you know, what
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  surprise guests could could you name them?
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  We're going to have some surprise.
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  Experiences can we before you do the surprise guests, Anders, can
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  you talk about the tweet you made about the the rumors of the
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  guests 'cause that, that was hilarious.
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  It's, it's so funny, like people have been like jokingly since
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  Trump is coming to the conference and speaking people
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  on Twitter have been jokingly like, oh, is Trump coming to the
• 1:03:48
  plep party? Obviously jokingly, right.
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  But this morning, I, I, I wake up, I'm on the e-mail because,
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  you know, it's still lots of work to do with the event.
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  And I got an e-mail from the event asking if Trump will be
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  attending the plep party. I'm like, wait, what?
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  Because like, so is Trump attending your plep party?
• 1:04:06
  Because then we got to talk like, like security.
• 1:04:08
  Like we got to, yeah, the guy has just been shot.
• 1:04:11
  We would need to talk security. But I'm not sure he will be
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  there. Like, I haven't, I haven't
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  spoken to Trump or anyone else. But you know, it's, it's our
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  mean world. Everyone else live in it and we
• 1:04:24
  can mean things into existence. So maybe maybe Trump will show
• 1:04:28
  up. That would be a lot of fun for
• 1:04:31
  me to show my family in Denmark who believe mass media and you
• 1:04:36
  know, that whole like that that you know, and and the the
• 1:04:39
  character assassination that he's been a target of so that
• 1:04:43
  they they wouldn't get it, But I think it would be pretty
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  awesome. I thought that's hilarious.
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  What you're trying to be? There, Yeah, what you're trying
• 1:04:53
  to say is Trump will be attending the pleb party in
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  Nashville. Breaking news, everybody.
• 1:05:01
  Sanders just confirmed that the future Bitcoin president will be
• 1:05:06
  attending the Pleb Party in Nashville, TN.
• 1:05:09
  Breaking news on simply Bitcoin. That's crazy.
• 1:05:13
  You're right. I mean, I didn't want to get
• 1:05:14
  that specific, but Nico, you're absolutely right.
• 1:05:16
  And and the reason is of course, orange coin is for orange man,
• 1:05:21
  orange man is for orange coin. And and when I think back on the
• 1:05:26
  on the last pleb party in Miami, on that roof, Tom, how much of
• 1:05:30
  like how many billions of dollars, how many hundreds of
• 1:05:33
  thousands of Bitcoin were actually represented there,
• 1:05:35
  right? When you think about it, sailor
• 1:05:37
  was there, right? So when you want to win an
• 1:05:40
  election, you need financial support and you want to go hang
• 1:05:45
  out with the future one percenter.
• 1:05:47
  They're Bitcoin plus. So he'll he'll yes, he's coming.
• 1:05:51
  I, I wasn't going to be that specific, but he's going to be
• 1:05:53
  there and it's going to be a chance to donate a few sets.
• 1:05:59
  Wow, orange man. That's crazy.
• 1:06:01
  Okay, so just to confirm breaking news, everybody,
• 1:06:05
  Michael Saylor and Trump will be showing will be going to the
• 1:06:09
  Pleb party in Nashville. They will be holding hands
• 1:06:12
  coming into the venue. That is absolutely crazy.
• 1:06:17
  Wait, what it can you pull up that comment again?
• 1:06:20
  No, no, no, no. Just joking.
• 1:06:22
  We're just. Yeah, it's, yeah, the, the, the
• 1:06:24
  chat is fun. That's what yeah, that's so fun
• 1:06:27
  about YouTube is, you know, when there's fun people in the chat.
• 1:06:30
  Also shout out, shout out to Rumble too, 'cause we get, we
• 1:06:33
  get some chats in there as well. So you know, it's a, it's a,
• 1:06:36
  it's a combined effort. Shout out to the the chat on
• 1:06:39
  Twitter as well. But but yeah, the the the simply
• 1:06:43
  live chat man, you guys is wild. You guys are legends.
• 1:06:47
  You guys are the best in the industry man.
• 1:06:49
  And the Twitter and the Twitter. All right, all right, Anders, so
• 1:06:51
  getting back on message, who are the confirmed guests?
• 1:06:55
  Who is gonna be there? Let's get some last minute FOMO
• 1:06:58
  for the audience 'cause it is next week, you know, we're less
• 1:07:01
  than what, like 8 days away from it.
• 1:07:03
  So last minute FOMO who will be there?
• 1:07:05
  And then I, I also, I'm gonna we're we're gonna talk about a,
• 1:07:08
  a some, I don't know, I guess you would call it like the
• 1:07:11
  underground event going. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:14
  So let's start with who will be there confirmed and who might
• 1:07:18
  be. There, right, right, right.
• 1:07:20
  So actually confirmed some of my my favorite people like Larry
• 1:07:26
  Lee part who who's kind of is the reason that that first pleb
• 1:07:32
  party I did in LA really big. You know, I invested that kind
• 1:07:36
  of into it. And so he he's going to be
• 1:07:41
  there. Preston pitch is going to be
• 1:07:43
  there. I think everybody knows Preston
• 1:07:45
  pitch great, great content creator, James Lavish, Natalie
• 1:07:51
  Brunell, Robert Breedlove and and you guys and a bunch of
• 1:07:57
  other people. And I just don't remember all of
• 1:07:59
  them anymore by by name, to be honest.
• 1:08:01
  But when I mean, I, I had such a good time in, in Miami as I did
• 1:08:07
  in LA and, and I'm, I tweeted about that earlier today as
• 1:08:12
  well. I'm just so excited because I
• 1:08:14
  know that so many of my friends are going to be there and
• 1:08:17
  hosting all of you guys hanging out and having fun for me is
• 1:08:22
  going to be just an absolute blast.
• 1:08:26
  I'm looking, looking forward to that.
• 1:08:28
  So yeah. Yeah, I mean, Anders is the king
• 1:08:31
  of networking. So every time I go, it's just
• 1:08:34
  like all my friends that I hang out with on Twitter, you're just
• 1:08:36
  like, oh, dude, like, hell yeah. This is an epic party.
• 1:08:40
  So I'm. I'm excited for this.
• 1:08:41
  Now. It's going to be even bigger
• 1:08:42
  than before. So yeah, no one's going to be
• 1:08:44
  missed. I'm I'm going to so I want to
• 1:08:46
  add to that. Actually, I, I go to quite a bit
• 1:08:51
  of length in kind of like where do I promote the party?
• 1:08:56
  Because I think it's so important that you have a crowd,
• 1:09:01
  what type of crowd it is. So I'm not going anywhere else
• 1:09:04
  outside of what I believe is the people and the friends we have
• 1:09:10
  from Bitcoin and Twitter. And that probably limits sales a
• 1:09:14
  bit and, and, and focus on revenue.
• 1:09:16
  But I think it's so important for what I'm doing for for how
• 1:09:20
  much we can enjoy it. And also that, that my friends
• 1:09:22
  bother coming to the next one. That it that it is the you know
• 1:09:26
  it, that it's us, you know that that know each other the the
• 1:09:30
  Bitcoin Maxis. Dude, Yeah, definitely,
• 1:09:35
  definitely. All right, Nico, I I'm going to
• 1:09:36
  hijack this. I'll let you finish, but Onders,
• 1:09:39
  I saw a very special post, I think it was this morning or
• 1:09:43
  yesterday, and there's an event within the event and apparently
• 1:09:48
  there's going to be a sneaker off going on.
• 1:09:50
  What? What's the deal with this?
• 1:09:52
  Well, it's just so G Money has bought some.
• 1:09:58
  Our boy bro? Hell yeah.
• 1:10:00
  Yeah, he's he, he bought some Pepe sneakers.
• 1:10:04
  They're they're pretty dope, black and green and there's like
• 1:10:07
  a little Pepe figure on it. And, and I myself bought some
• 1:10:12
  sneakers. So I just started, you know, I
• 1:10:14
  retweeted his and put a, put a picture of, of mine and, and I,
• 1:10:18
  I've got them right here. I I love Adidas.
• 1:10:23
  I love, I love the. What do you call this?
• 1:10:26
  This type of color? The pastel colors?
• 1:10:30
  Pastel. And then I'm trying to figure
• 1:10:33
  out which, which shirt to go with it.
• 1:10:35
  And, and I'm thinking this one color wise, you know, does fit
• 1:10:40
  very well. And as you can see the rabbit
• 1:10:44
  there on his search for, for the system, he's very smiley.
• 1:10:48
  But there's some, we were talking about that Opti before
• 1:10:51
  we went live. There's a There's a little
• 1:10:52
  message there for the system. Oh man, yeah, that's a story for
• 1:10:58
  another day. I'll, I'll say it one day on the
• 1:10:59
  show. I I've said it before, I think
• 1:11:01
  it'll. Be a great time.
• 1:11:02
  I'm beyond excited for the plug party and really looking forward
• 1:11:06
  to hanging out with a lot of you guys in the flesh.
• 1:11:09
  I can't emphasize this enough. The tickets will sell out.
• 1:11:12
  Will not be able to get them at the door.
• 1:11:14
  We hired Yellow to be the doorman.
• 1:11:16
  OK, you're not going to be able to go through him.
• 1:11:19
  He'll malacca the fuck out of you.
• 1:11:21
  The tickets include food and drink so it's gonna be a great
• 1:11:25
  time. And excuse me, hope to see a lot
• 1:11:28
  of you guys. Wait, last thing, Nico Anders.
• 1:11:32
  Anders, let's talk about the tickets real quick before we
• 1:11:35
  wrap up the show. I know there's only a few less
• 1:11:39
  at this price point and then I'm guessing they're going up.
• 1:11:42
  So let's if you're in the if you're in the chat and you're
• 1:11:44
  wondering or on the fence about it, this is the last moment.
• 1:11:47
  Take it away, Anders. Yeah, sure.
• 1:11:50
  So right now, well, before when I checked it was eight tickets
• 1:11:53
  of of of $215 all I don't know, it might be a little bit less
• 1:12:00
  less now, but that was eight tickets.
• 1:12:02
  And then every time a tranche of ticket sells out, it goes up to
• 1:12:06
  the, you know, the next price level.
• 1:12:09
  So it's it's 12 hours of open bar, which means free bar.
• 1:12:14
  You already paid for it with your ticket.
• 1:12:16
  Obviously this kind of ticket price includes as much alcohol
• 1:12:19
  as you can drink for 12 hours and also food is included.
• 1:12:23
  So you know, your lunch and your dinner is taking care of your
• 1:12:26
  pre lunch drinks, your lunch drinks, your after lunch drinks,
• 1:12:29
  your pre din, you know, you get in the picture.
• 1:12:32
  And also it is re entry. And that's very important for me
• 1:12:37
  because I think that's people will want that.
• 1:12:39
  There's a there's a lot of you that will need to, to to take a
• 1:12:44
  break, which I, I understand. I, I understand.
• 1:12:47
  I really do. So you can, you can leave after
• 1:12:50
  lunch if you need to go home and nap it out and take a shower and
• 1:12:54
  come back with a fresh, a fresh, you know, shirt.
• 1:12:57
  That's it's OK, I won't. Oh man.
• 1:12:59
  Hold it against you. Dude, I will I'm beyond excited.
• 1:13:03
  It's going to be a great time. This is the event to be at the
• 1:13:07
  day before the largest Bitcoin conference on planet earth,
• 1:13:10
  Bitcoin 2024. It's going to be a great time
• 1:13:13
  All Star, you know, line up that's going to be joining
• 1:13:17
  surprise guest, possibly Donald Trump.
• 1:13:19
  It's going to be crazy. You guys definitely don't want
• 1:13:22
  to miss it. Scan the QR code, check the link
• 1:13:24
  in the video description. Get your tickets now and we'll
• 1:13:27
  see you guys in Nashville next week.
• 1:13:30
  All right everybody, we're going to close out the show.
• 1:13:31
  I'm your host Nico. This is my Co host Optimus
• 1:13:34
  Fields and our guest for today, Anders, the best party event
• 1:13:38
  organizer in the entire Bitcoin industry.
• 1:13:41
  Wait. Wait, wait.
• 1:13:41
  The best party thrower in the game.
• 1:13:48
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• 1:13:49
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• 1:13:52
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