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Ohtani lawsuit update + Tim Kurkjian talks Twins sale fail, NY teams, Little League Classic · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Figure, we'll bring out the craziest stat of the week
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Speaker 1: right before we talk to Tim kirkchen who We'll be
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Speaker 1: back with the TV crowd here in two minutes and
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Speaker 1: we'll talk Little League World Classic or Little League Baseball
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Speaker 1: Classic coming up on ESPN on Sunday. But the Twins
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Speaker 1: are forty four and one twenty five against the Yankees
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Speaker 1: since two thousand and two. Aja, your boys got smacked again.
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Speaker 1: You're og franchise can't really handle the Yanks. They're getting
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Speaker 1: them hot.
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Speaker 2: They are I don't know what to say.
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Speaker 3: This is one of the most unbelievable stats of all times.
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Speaker 3: Just players, turnover, managers turnover, front offices have turned well,
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Speaker 3: I guess the Yankees have stayed the same with the
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Speaker 3: front offices of the Twins have turned over, and they've
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Speaker 3: changed stadiums. Both organizations have got new stadiums in this
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Speaker 3: time and nothing has changed the Yankees. Yeah, the Yankees
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Speaker 3: beat the Twins. So that's it. The Yankees beat the Twins.
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Speaker 4: The pole AADs haven't taken one at bat. The pole
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Speaker 4: AADs haven't taken one at bat. This is an anomaly
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Speaker 4: that we get to look at. But shocker AJ is
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Speaker 4: involved with another team that has a brutal record forty
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Speaker 4: one and forty one and one twenty one white sox
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Speaker 4: AJ's team forty four and one five Twins.
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Speaker 3: Had nothing, had nothing to do with either one of
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Speaker 3: those things. Just saying, That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 4: Once you leave, they all suck. So stop leaving, stop quitting,
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Speaker 4: stay with the team, help them out.
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Speaker 3: One time, have grossed me. I didn't want to leave
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Speaker 3: the Twins. I was traded traded away. Still they got
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Speaker 3: you know what they got from Mick, Mick abel and tight,
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Speaker 3: so go able and tight. See what they turn those
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Speaker 3: guys into.
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Speaker 1: So their record against the Yankees produces a two sixty
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Speaker 1: winning percentage two thousand and two including playoffs, and that
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Speaker 1: includes nine straight losses against all other teams. Since two
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Speaker 1: thousand and two, the Twins have a five fourteen winning percentage.
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Speaker 1: What it's not like we're looking at this team like, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's one of the worst teams ever. This franchise been
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Speaker 1: a joke for twenty years. Like, no, they consistently, we'll
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Speaker 1: we'll hang around, not against the Yankees. We'll ask Tim
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 3: I'm suressing in the playoffs. Look at the just use
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Speaker 3: the record in the playoffs, use the playoff record, it's
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Speaker 3: even worse.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, Twins fans, I know today's tough, but we cover
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Speaker 1: the news. Legendary Tim Kirkton joining us right now. He'll
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Speaker 1: be part of ESPN's Baseball Night coverage live on site
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Speaker 1: from Williamsport this Sunday for the Little League Classic.
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Speaker 5: Excited to get into that real quick before we do. Tim.
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Speaker 5: Great to see you, Great to have you on.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear our conversation at all about that ridiculous
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Speaker 1: Twins record since two thousand and two.
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Speaker 5: I'm sure you've been following that one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absurd. I can't understand it. I was driving
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Speaker 2: home last night from New York listening to the Yankees
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Speaker 2: Twins game, and Paul Molitor was doing the color and
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Speaker 2: he made kind of the same point that Aj did.
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Speaker 2: That Look, this doesn't make any sense, he goes. The
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Speaker 2: players aren't even aware of it. The Yankee players aren't
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Speaker 2: aware of it. But it just keeps on happening. And
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Speaker 2: this is why baseball is so great, and so many
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Speaker 2: things are just unexplainable, and this is one of them.
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Speaker 2: There's no reason the Twins should be this bad against
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Speaker 2: the Yankees and Yankees. This good against the Twins. But
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Speaker 2: this is why baseball is so good, is it doesn't
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Speaker 2: make any sense so many days of the week.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is wacky, wacky news.
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Speaker 1: While we're on them too, what did you think of
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Speaker 1: the team announcing that they're going to keep the ownership
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Speaker 1: group intact there? I mean, we had been led to
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Speaker 1: believe for the past year that it was going to
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Speaker 1: be a new leaf for this ball club. Were you
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Speaker 1: surprised as I was to see that they're actually hold on.
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Speaker 2: I was surprised. I am surprised, but maybe we shouldn't be.
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Speaker 2: You know, I live outside of Washington, d C. And
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Speaker 2: the Nationals have been up for sale for a long time,
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Speaker 2: and then they didn't get the price they wanted and
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Speaker 2: pulled the team back and said, Okay, we're not selling
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Speaker 2: the team. Ardy Moreno did the same thing with the Angels.
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Speaker 2: He's gonna sell the team, and then he decided I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to sell the team, and then the poleads
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Speaker 2: say we're gonna sell the team, and now we're not
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Speaker 2: going to sell the team. It's possible that all of
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Speaker 2: these owners are recognizing they're not maybe they're not getting
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Speaker 2: exactly what they want. For the team and then they're
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Speaker 2: going to hang on until, say, the price goes up.
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Speaker 2: But maybe this isn't a shock, but it was a
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Speaker 2: surprise to me because it seemed pretty pretty understandable that
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Speaker 2: they're going to sell the team and now they're just
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Speaker 2: looking for investors instead.
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Speaker 3: Tim, we we just kind of talked about this, We
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Speaker 3: talked about this earlier, but Rob Manford came out a
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Speaker 3: couple months ago and said, Oh, it's definitely happen. It's
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Speaker 3: not if they win so and he's like, I know
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Speaker 3: more than anybody else did. So something changed behind the scenes,
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Speaker 3: because when Rob Manford usually says something like that, it
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Speaker 3: doesn't go off the rails like kind of this one
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Speaker 3: that it normally sticks to exactly what he's saying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, something must have happened, just like something happened with
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Speaker 2: the Nationals and something happen with the Angels. And again,
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Speaker 2: these are really sharp businessmen who are used to winning,
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Speaker 2: Like every negotiation that they're in, they get the last
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Speaker 2: dollar on everything that they do in every business that
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Speaker 2: they run. But baseball doesn't often work that way. You
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Speaker 2: don't get exactly what you want in baseball. Sometimes you
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Speaker 2: have to overpay to get a player. Sometimes you have
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Speaker 2: to sell something for less than what you think it's worth.
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Speaker 2: But these guys are used to getting whatever they want,
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Speaker 2: and if they don't get it, they're pulling the team back.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, maybe that's what's happening.
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Speaker 4: Do you feel like there should be some kind of
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Speaker 4: stipulation because of how much you love the game, how
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Speaker 4: much we love it as players want to see winners,
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Speaker 4: there should be some type of stipulation that owners have
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Speaker 4: to try to win because this is this is a sport,
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Speaker 4: this is a competitive like more of a penalty for
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Speaker 4: not winning. Not saying there's relegation, I'm not saying all
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Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, but do you feel like there
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Speaker 4: should be some type of penalty because when you look
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Speaker 4: at a team like the pole Ads, I mean an
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Speaker 4: organization like the pole Ads, they're not setting their players
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Speaker 4: up or their city up for having a successful team.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would like to see everyone try to win, Eric,
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Speaker 2: but it's hard to prove whether you're trying to win
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Speaker 2: or not. You know. Thirty years ago, Sandy Alderson, then
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Speaker 2: the general manager of the A's I guess at the time,
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Speaker 2: said what is a successful franchise? Is it a team
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Speaker 2: that makes the playoffs every year or is it a
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Speaker 2: team that never makes the playoffs but makes money every year.
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Speaker 2: What is the successful franchise a team that loses money
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Speaker 2: but wins, or a team that makes money and loses.
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Speaker 2: And I think that discussion still has to be had
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Speaker 2: today because I think that's still a relevant question.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, invest and then the franchise value will sort We've
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Speaker 1: seen that happen. Don't forget fans. The Dodgers were a
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Speaker 1: prime example of that. The Dodgers were in a very
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Speaker 1: different place fifteen years ago when they were run by
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Speaker 1: Frank McCort, and look at them now. They are an
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Speaker 1: absolute powerhouse. Tim, I'm going to take us to the
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Speaker 1: Little League Classic that's coming up on Sunday on ESPN.
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Speaker 1: You've got two great teams too, that are in the
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Speaker 1: thick of a playoff race with the Mets and the Mariners.
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Speaker 1: But first, give us the goods on what we can
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Speaker 1: expect there, what the coverage will be like, how much
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Speaker 1: you look forward to this?
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Speaker 2: Well, I've covered every one of the Little League Classics
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Speaker 2: and they're all great. Trust me, fellas, if you haven't
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Speaker 2: been there for when the teams arrive, it's stunning, it's breathtaking.
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Speaker 2: As soon as they get off the bus, they are
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Speaker 2: just surrounded by kids, and before long, the players are
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Speaker 2: into it just as much as the kids are because
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Speaker 2: they've all watched the Little League World Series when they
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Speaker 2: were twelve years old. And the Little League World Series
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Speaker 2: is on in every clubhouse in the major leagues every
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Speaker 2: single day because it fascinates the big leaders, as it should.
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Speaker 2: And when these guys walk in, like Aaron I was
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Speaker 2: there last year. When Aaron Judge walked in, it was unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: He couldn't take a step without being just besieged by people,
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Speaker 2: and he did a great job handling it. And all
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Speaker 2: players do the best they can. A couple of years ago,
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Speaker 2: Bryce Harper was here and he's sitting in the stands
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Speaker 2: watching the Pennsylvania team, you know Philadelphia and Pennsylvania, and
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Speaker 2: one of these kids from Pennsylvania like hits a rocket
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Speaker 2: shot and Bryce Harper is there to see it. So
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Speaker 2: at the Little League Classic that night, at the real
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Speaker 2: major league ballpark, the kids are all there, like only
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Speaker 2: kids are invited to the Little League Classic, another reason
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Speaker 2: it worked so well. And Bryce Harper walks past the
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Speaker 2: front row and the kid that he saw had a
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Speaker 2: line drive. Bryce Harper goes up to him on his
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Speaker 2: way to home plate in a major league game and says, boy,
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Speaker 2: I hope I hit one as hard as you hit
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Speaker 2: one today. And it was like the greatest thing that
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Speaker 2: ever happened to that kid. And then Harper brought him
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Speaker 2: an autographed bat and gave it to him as he
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Speaker 2: sat in the stands and watched a major league game.
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Speaker 2: That's what the Little League Classic is about. To me.
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Speaker 2: It's about the kids watching the big leaguers. But it's
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Speaker 2: just as important that the big leaguers are engaging with
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Speaker 2: the kids. It is a wonderful, wonderful scene.
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Speaker 4: They show that often on TVs. There's something that you're
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Speaker 4: banging the drum about that needs to be shown. That
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Speaker 4: is your favorite part of this whole weekend, this whole
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Speaker 4: Little League Classic that we're not seeing on TV because
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Speaker 4: you get of background stuff. Is there something that we
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Speaker 4: that we that we should be looking out for or
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Speaker 4: that you're hoping that they show on TV.
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Speaker 2: Well, we weren't able to show this a few years ago,
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Speaker 2: but now we do see. I ride the bus now
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Speaker 2: every year in from the airport with the team with
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Speaker 2: the kids on the bus, and now the last year
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Speaker 2: was the Tigers and I were sitting on the bus
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Speaker 2: with a bunch of kids, and they were asking, of course,
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Speaker 2: the greatest questions in the world. Because kids are so uninhibited,
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Speaker 2: they just say whatever they want to say. It's great.
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Speaker 2: But what I wish we had a camera on was
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Speaker 2: the first year I went on a bus. We didn't
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Speaker 2: have the camera there. But Reese Hoskins of the Phillies,
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Speaker 2: who was a star player at the time, like told
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Speaker 2: a kid, let me see how good a dancer you are.
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Speaker 2: And this twelve year old starts dance while the bus
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Speaker 2: is driving, and then he gets into a dance contest
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Speaker 2: with Reese Hoskins on the bus. It was absolutely priced
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Speaker 2: to see a big leaguer and a twelve year old
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Speaker 2: having a dance contest on the bus. The twelve year
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Speaker 2: old one, as I recall, as most twelve year old
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Speaker 2: should against most adults because no adults are good dancers.
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Speaker 2: No male can dance in my opinion, but Reyese Hoskins
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Speaker 2: was pretty good. The twelve year old was better.
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Speaker 3: Tim If Rosenthal was on right now, I'd say it's
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Speaker 3: because you can. You love this event so much because
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Speaker 3: Ken could look him in the eye. But I'm not
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Speaker 3: going to make a short joke today. So I understand,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna save that for when Ken comes on, because
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Speaker 3: I know you guys are You're much taller than Ken is,
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Speaker 3: So I'm going to let that one pass before we go.
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Speaker 2: I am the same height. I'm the same height as
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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal. And a few years ago, a very ambitious reporter,
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Speaker 2: I mean a researcher at ESPN looked this up that
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Speaker 2: fifty two percent of the kids at the Little League
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Speaker 2: World Series that year were taller than me. I think
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Speaker 2: that was unnecessary research. So one of the kids, one
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Speaker 2: of the years, I'll never forget this. This kid's name
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Speaker 2: was Terrence. He was from South Carolina. He was legit
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Speaker 2: five eleven, one hundred and eighty five pounds, and he
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Speaker 2: hit a ball three hundred and seventy five feet at
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Speaker 2: the Little League World Series. He hit it like one
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty feet over the fence. It was unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: So I talked to him on live TV like after
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Speaker 2: the game, and jokingly I said to Terrence five eleven,
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Speaker 2: one eighty five, I said, when was the last time
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Speaker 2: you were my size? And he looked at me. He
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Speaker 2: thought about it for a second, and he goes, I
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Speaker 2: was in the second grade. That's what he said. So
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Speaker 2: there's no telling what the kids might say when you
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Speaker 2: ask them a question, because that's the best part about
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Speaker 2: this is the answers that they give. Would you ask
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Speaker 2: him a question? Some of those kids are really funny
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Speaker 2: and really clever.
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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I love it. So
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Speaker 3: that's great, all right. These two teams, the Mariners and
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Speaker 3: the Mets playing in this game. Mariners run fire a
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Speaker 3: great trade deadline. The Mets have been wishy washy to
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Speaker 3: be nice to what they've done since the trade deadline.
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Speaker 3: The Mariners, we keep thinking, have a great chance to
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Speaker 3: win the West. Can the Mets make up the ground
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Speaker 3: on the Phillies in the East and make a deep
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Speaker 3: playoff run the way they're assembled? And can the Mariners, Gosh,
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Speaker 3: I can't believe about to say this actually get to
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Speaker 3: the World Series and win it.
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Speaker 2: I think the Mariners are good enough to get to
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Speaker 2: the World Series and win it, because I'm just not sure,
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Speaker 2: even in a stout National League, that there's a team
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Speaker 2: out there that you look at and say, this team's
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Speaker 2: gonna win the World Series. You know, the Dodgers are
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Speaker 2: still the best team for me. Once they get everybody
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Speaker 2: healthy and playing the way they should be. But the
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Speaker 2: Padres are really good, the Phillies are really good. The
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Speaker 2: Brewers are the best team in baseball. The Cubs can
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Speaker 2: really hit. But the Mariners have something different now. They
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Speaker 2: have a really good starting rotation, which hasn't been great
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Speaker 2: this year, and it's eventually is gonna be at its
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Speaker 2: best before this year is over. The bullpen is load
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Speaker 2: with power arms, but most important, they're one through six
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Speaker 2: in the order. This might be the most formidable lineup
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Speaker 2: they've had that I've seen from the Mariners in maybe
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Speaker 2: twenty five years. So I think they have a chance
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Speaker 2: to go to the World Series for the first time.
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Speaker 2: And yes, I think they have a chance to win
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Speaker 2: it now. Again, you could say that about six, seven,
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Speaker 2: eight other teams right now, but to leave the Mariners
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Speaker 2: out of the equation would be a mistake. As for
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Speaker 2: the Mets, I don't see why they don't score more runs,
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Speaker 2: and maybe last night was the start of good offense
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Speaker 2: to come. I don't think they're going to run down
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Speaker 2: the rundown the Phillies because of the Phillies starting rotation,
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Speaker 2: but I think the Mets are going to make the playoffs,
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Speaker 2: and if you make the playoffs in today's day and age,
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Speaker 2: you have a chance to go a long way.
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Speaker 4: Are the Mets a team that will be disappointed to
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Speaker 4: be a wild card in the sense that they put
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Speaker 4: all this money into Juan Soto, But at the beginning
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Speaker 4: of the season they knew they're starting pitching, wasn't they
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Speaker 4: had Sham and ayah. They were hoping David Peterson was
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Speaker 4: awesome and he's been awesome from there. They didn't solidify
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Speaker 4: a pitching type of player that is equivalent to the
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Speaker 4: Juan Soto type of position player.
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Speaker 2: If they just make the playoffs, I don't think it's
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Speaker 2: going to be a big disappointment, because, you know, as
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Speaker 2: a wild card, because they played so poorly here, they
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Speaker 2: had the best record in baseball in the middle of June,
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Speaker 2: and two months later they're struggling to make the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: So I think if they're completely honest, they'll just say,
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Speaker 2: all right, get us in the playoffs. We'll take our
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Speaker 2: chances from there. Now, if you ask them, should we
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Speaker 2: have won this division, they'll probably say, well, yeah, but
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Speaker 2: we played poorly for two months. That has to end,
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Speaker 2: and I think it will. I think they're going to
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Speaker 2: score a bunch more runs. And I'm with you, Eric,
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Speaker 2: I don't see their starting pitching as being so good
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Speaker 2: that they're just going to overtake the Phillies and then
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Speaker 2: you know, run the table in October. But they're still
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Speaker 2: a dangerous team. Like I said, you get in the
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Speaker 2: playoffs in October. In baseball anymore, you have a chance.
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Speaker 1: Tim, how do you think the first season has gone
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Speaker 1: for Juan Soto. I we haven't talked about him as
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Speaker 1: much lately, but what would be your evaluation of year
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest contract of all time.
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Speaker 2: Well, he hasn't been the player I thought he would be.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's been productive. He's hit a bunch of homers,
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Speaker 2: a lot of them with nobody on base. He is
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Speaker 2: way better than a two point fifty hitter or whatever
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Speaker 2: he's hitting right now. It's right around there, and I
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Speaker 2: think he's gonna get hot. I just think he's too
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Speaker 2: good of a hitter to struggle like this. And when
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Speaker 2: I say struggle, he should be hitting over three hundred.
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Speaker 2: He's that good of a hitter. I just think it's
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Speaker 2: been an adjustment. I think, like it was in San Diego,
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Speaker 2: was an adjustment there you know, when he walks in,
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Speaker 2: there are a bunch of other star players there. I
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Speaker 2: think it takes him and everyone else a little bit
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Speaker 2: time to figure out where everybody's going. Although it didn't
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Speaker 2: take much time with the Yankees. He was really good
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Speaker 2: right away and all season for them. Same thing hasn't
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Speaker 2: happened with the Mets. But again, there's six weeks to go,
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Speaker 2: and I fully expect him to get really hot and
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Speaker 2: carry them into the playoffs. I've been saying that all year.
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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna happen. It just really truly hasn't
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Speaker 2: happened yet.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Tim, I have the Yankees Cardinals this weekend on
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Speaker 3: Fox on Saturday. Yankees. What's going on in New York?
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Speaker 3: We keep saying, don't blame Marin Boon, it's just the
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Speaker 3: way the roster was assembled. But can this team be
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Speaker 3: dangerous if they get into the postseason? Because right now
18:32
Speaker 3: they're teetering on the edge, also with the Guardians chasing
18:35
Speaker 3: them down. Do you think the Yankees can be dangerous
18:38
Speaker 3: if they get into the postseason?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Again, Aj, everyone's dangerous in the postseason because no, no, no, no,
18:46
Speaker 2: But they're no great teams out there. Do I think
18:48
Speaker 2: the Yankees are going to make the playoffs, Yes, barely
18:51
Speaker 2: I do. Would I make them the favorite when they
18:54
Speaker 2: get to October, Absolutely not. But if you tell me
18:57
Speaker 2: that the Tigers are just going to overwhelm people in October,
19:00
Speaker 2: the answer is no. Neither the Mariners or the Astros,
19:04
Speaker 2: or the Rangers or the Blue Jays or anybody else
19:07
Speaker 2: with no dominant team. I think the Yankees could be
19:10
Speaker 2: dangerous if Aaron Judge is at his best and John
19:14
Speaker 2: Carlos Stanton swings the bat like he always does in
19:17
Speaker 2: October seemingly, and Anthony Volpi has been hot lately. But
19:21
Speaker 2: there's also just as good a chance that the Yankees
19:24
Speaker 2: won't even make the playoffs, or they get there and
19:27
Speaker 2: their bullpen lets him down, or they become the all
19:30
Speaker 2: or nothing Yankees who don't seem to be able to
19:33
Speaker 2: get a big hit when they need them and still
19:35
Speaker 2: live and die with a homer and then make two
19:37
Speaker 2: terrible base running mistakes in one weekend. So they are
19:41
Speaker 2: a flawed team. There's no doubt. I'm just saying all
19:45
Speaker 2: the teams in the American League are flawed. Giving the
19:47
Speaker 2: Yankees a chance.
19:50
Speaker 5: That's right.
19:51
Speaker 1: The American League has not looked like he usually does
19:54
Speaker 1: really the last couple of years now, at least in
19:56
Speaker 1: my opinion. We'll see you know if that changes going forward.
20:00
Speaker 1: Awesome to have you on. Thank you for double coverage
20:03
Speaker 1: this week on the FT network. You were great on
20:04
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20:12
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21:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he said.
21:29
Speaker 5: That's what he said.
21:32
Speaker 3: That's what he said.
21:33
Speaker 1: That's what he said. All right, So we've got more
21:39
Speaker 1: on this lawsuit with shohy Otani defending himself against the
21:44
Speaker 1: real estate developer and the guy that was going to
21:47
Speaker 1: do the sales, and they both got fired and they
21:49
Speaker 1: said that Otani's camp intervened. They said it was really
21:52
Speaker 1: coming from his representation. But your representation represents who does
21:56
Speaker 1: representation represent?
21:57
Speaker 4: Guys?
21:57
Speaker 5: Easiest question I'll ever.
21:58
Speaker 3: Ask a player. Yeah, you personally right.
22:03
Speaker 1: So if they're doing it, they're speaking for you even
22:05
Speaker 1: though it's not him. In BOD, I don't think anybody
22:07
Speaker 1: expected Otani on phone calls being like, hey, if you
22:11
Speaker 1: don't do what I say, I'm pulling out of this
22:13
Speaker 1: real estate deal and getting you fired. But somebody is
22:16
Speaker 1: doing that and representing you, and they're accusing this situation
22:19
Speaker 1: of happening. So Sam Blum doing the good work for
22:23
Speaker 1: the athletic. He spoke to Josh Schiller, head of sports
22:26
Speaker 1: and gaming at a law firm that I can't pronounce,
22:29
Speaker 1: but they represent the two guys that are going after
22:33
Speaker 1: Otani and Nesblelo his representation they Shiller said they tried
22:38
Speaker 1: to negotiate a resolution privately, so they tried to settle
22:41
Speaker 1: and they were unable to resolve the matter. He also
22:45
Speaker 1: said that Bilello became a destructive force by inserting himself
22:49
Speaker 1: into every aspect of the relationship. These are all allegations.
22:53
Speaker 1: He alleged that they responded to business matters with stonewalling
22:57
Speaker 1: and hostility while threatening default if he didn't get his way,
23:00
Speaker 1: so I guess not paying for the property as well.
23:03
Speaker 1: They still caused you know, a lot of ruck is
23:06
Speaker 1: here if they actually did get these two guys fired,
23:09
Speaker 1: which is what they are accusing. The defendants of large
23:13
Speaker 1: portions of the lawsuit are redacted. The plaintiffs filed a
23:15
Speaker 1: subsequent request to lift the redactions from the initial plate.
23:19
Speaker 1: That means that the law firm and the developer that
23:22
Speaker 1: are suing Otani wanted things to be stated publicly, and
23:26
Speaker 1: there's certain information that is at least at the moment,
23:29
Speaker 1: being held back. So we'll see what happens.
23:31
Speaker 5: There and later.
23:33
Speaker 1: The lawyer for them also said that he doesn't think
23:36
Speaker 1: they have a case for countersuing, and he doesn't think
23:39
Speaker 1: they have a case for an NIL breach NIL as
23:42
Speaker 1: in name, image likeness, where you know Otani originally signed
23:45
Speaker 1: on where they could do certain things with him for
23:47
Speaker 1: this real estate project as far as marketing it and saying, hey,
23:50
Speaker 1: Otani lives here. But I guess Otani's camp thinks they
23:53
Speaker 1: went too far, get ugly. And the thing that stood
23:56
Speaker 1: out to me was that they were talking and they
23:58
Speaker 1: were I guess working on at least according to the
24:01
Speaker 1: plaintiff side, and they didn't figure it out, so it
24:03
Speaker 1: starts to make things more public. I guess they could
24:05
Speaker 1: have avoided all of this. Now the other side could
24:08
Speaker 1: have been asked for a lot of money. They're fighting it,
24:10
Speaker 1: but this this is messy. This is not clean. As
24:13
Speaker 1: we learn more about what's going on here and aj
24:15
Speaker 1: I know we talked about it yesterday, the comments.
24:17
Speaker 5: Are literally the political spectrum.
24:19
Speaker 1: You have one side that wants to accuse Aatwani of
24:22
Speaker 1: everything for the last two years. Right, he's in on this,
24:25
Speaker 1: He's in on that. I think that's crazy. You have
24:27
Speaker 1: the other side that's like, how dare anybody even talk
24:30
Speaker 1: about this topic, like you're unfairly targeting him. Well, maybe
24:33
Speaker 1: somebody's unfairly targeting him, but we're just covering the story.
24:36
Speaker 1: And then most people are in the middle, like this
24:38
Speaker 1: is a pretty crappy situation to be involved in, and
24:40
Speaker 1: things are gonna, you know, get very public and very ugly.
24:44
Speaker 1: If there's a rich history here between the two parties,
24:47
Speaker 1: and this real estate project's been going on for ten
24:49
Speaker 1: plus years and Otani's been signed on since twenty twenty three,
24:52
Speaker 1: so there's going to be some history between these two
24:55
Speaker 1: of back and forth that would think you don't want public.
24:58
Speaker 1: But if he truly believes that he's the right, he's
25:00
Speaker 1: going to fight it. It's just that he's not going
25:02
Speaker 1: to be able to maintain a lot of privacy during
25:04
Speaker 1: that time period.
25:06
Speaker 3: No, you're right, there's a lot of things that could
25:07
Speaker 3: come out, and Otani's a very private person. But what
25:10
Speaker 3: did he sign? What did Otani sign? What did Nesblelo
25:13
Speaker 3: sign on his behalf?
25:14
Speaker 2: Right?
25:15
Speaker 3: What did What was the agreement they had? You said yesterday,
25:17
Speaker 3: Scott that there was an uh that I believe you
25:20
Speaker 3: said there was a video of Otani talking about this
25:23
Speaker 3: place and how excited he wherever he was for it.
25:26
Speaker 3: So I don't know. He can't say if there's that video,
25:30
Speaker 3: then he can't say he didn't know anything about it,
25:33
Speaker 3: because at some point nes Bolelo had to come to
25:35
Speaker 3: him and say, hey, we need to make this video for.
25:37
Speaker 5: This Oh yeah, he knows about it.
25:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
25:39
Speaker 1: And the rumors that there's some type of promotional voiceover
25:43
Speaker 1: or something like that, right there, there was some type
25:45
Speaker 1: of marketing agreement that was made. We'll find out more
25:48
Speaker 1: of the details of what that agreement was. I don't
25:49
Speaker 1: think any everything's been released yet. But yeah, let's not
25:52
Speaker 1: act like someone is signing houses to his name.
25:57
Speaker 3: No, I know, this whole thing is I'm just fast
26:00
Speaker 3: by what's going to come out of this because I
26:01
Speaker 3: don't know, Like I'm not a lawyer. I just play
26:04
Speaker 3: one on you and crats get into a fight and
26:06
Speaker 3: I'm like a divorce lawyer, so I have to play
26:07
Speaker 3: that on the show. But other than that, I don't
26:10
Speaker 3: know enough about this. But it's going to be fascinating
26:12
Speaker 3: once all the details start coming out of this and
26:14
Speaker 3: what they are trying to get out of Otani. What
26:16
Speaker 3: Otani's trying to you know, say he did what nez
26:19
Speaker 3: Bilolo says he did? What Now the company, of course,
26:22
Speaker 3: the company that came out said oh, no, everything's fine,
26:25
Speaker 3: this is a great yeah, because they have how much
26:27
Speaker 3: money invests two hundred and fifty million, seventeen million dollar homes.
26:31
Speaker 3: This isn't like it's a you know, it's it's it's
26:34
Speaker 3: mobile homes and places that are very affordable for the
26:37
Speaker 3: normal person. This is a place that is you know,
26:41
Speaker 3: exclusive as it gets right. So of course the group
26:44
Speaker 3: that is going to come out and say, oh, everything's perfect,
26:47
Speaker 3: nothing to see here, nothing to see here, just keep
26:50
Speaker 3: on building, right, So of course they're going to say that.
26:52
Speaker 3: So what happens next is going to be fascinating.
26:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's going to be a lot more investigative
26:57
Speaker 1: work by good journalists like Sam Blum to keep figuring
26:59
Speaker 1: things out and krats. The general public's going to be
27:04
Speaker 1: interested in this. This is one of the most famous
27:07
Speaker 1: human beings on the planet.
27:11
Speaker 4: Yes, and when you're under a microscope. And I think
27:16
Speaker 4: part of this not saying it would go away, but
27:20
Speaker 4: Showhayed very rarely makes himself available to answer any questions.
27:26
Speaker 4: AJ has said this countless times. AJ has been an
27:28
Speaker 4: all star. He was a borderline superstar. My word really
27:34
Speaker 4: doesn't matter, Like I can come out and say something
27:36
Speaker 4: people don't really care. But when you're a star, people
27:38
Speaker 4: want to hear what you have to say. If he
27:40
Speaker 4: would speak more, I think there'd be less people on
27:44
Speaker 4: the side of Oh, he was definitely involved with the
27:47
Speaker 4: epay stuff. He's definitely involved with this. He is this
27:50
Speaker 4: bad guy. The only reason people are saying that is
27:53
Speaker 4: because they don't know anything. And everybody on the other
27:56
Speaker 4: side is like, no, he's perfect. Why is he perfect?
27:59
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard him say he's perfect? Have you
28:02
Speaker 4: ever seen him put himself out there in a situation? No, Like,
28:07
Speaker 4: there's there's a he has a shroud of secrecy that
28:11
Speaker 4: I think situations like this may be able to be
28:14
Speaker 4: diffused in the public eye if he were able to,
28:18
Speaker 4: if he would come out and just.
28:20
Speaker 2: Just chatter, just talk with the boys.
28:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll probably get a statement or something. Obviously, it's
28:26
Speaker 1: a lawsuit, so right now you're not gonna get much.
28:30
Speaker 1: And you know you can be strategic with when you
28:32
Speaker 1: put the lawsuit out. You know, it happens to come
28:35
Speaker 1: out when the Angels are playing the Dodgers. We're in
28:37
Speaker 1: the thick of the baseball season, you know. I mean
28:40
Speaker 1: usually have a time period where if you feel like
28:42
Speaker 1: there's what I'm doing, you can sue. So that's the
28:45
Speaker 1: right of the plaintiff, and then you can defend yourself
28:49
Speaker 1: in counter suit. So to be continued. We learned a
28:51
Speaker 1: little bit more from Sam Blom getting some quotes.
28:54
Speaker 5: And I'm sure people are gonna start digging they settle.
28:57
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like you said, though, people are gonna start
28:59
Speaker 3: digging are pretty quick, pretty deep into this guy. Because
29:02
Speaker 3: there's a lot of money involved in this.
29:05
Speaker 5: There's a lot redacted. That was the other thing about.
29:08
Speaker 1: So if there's a lot redacted, that means most likely
29:12
Speaker 1: it's eventually going to come out again unless there is
29:14
Speaker 1: a settlement. And sometimes this stuff like starts to eat
29:17
Speaker 1: its way to publicity, and then it gets pulled back
29:19
Speaker 1: where the other side's like, hey, I don't want to
29:20
Speaker 1: deal with this, let's settle. That often is the case
29:24
Speaker 1: in lawsuits. But if not, it is going to be
29:27
Speaker 1: a to be continued situation. We'll keep covering it.
29:29
Speaker 5: So anyway, that's step two, day two of the saga.