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The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein Was The Final Straw For MCC As A Facility · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: Well, it looks like the lockup where Jeffrey Epstein allegedly
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: killed himself is about to be closed down. According to reports,
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  Speaker 1: the MCC is going to be shuttered at least for
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  Speaker 1: a short period of time while they work on bringing
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  Speaker 1: it up to industry standards. And what do the two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty something inmates win as a prize for
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  Speaker 1: this place being shut down? Bah, they get to be
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  Speaker 1: sent to the Brooklyn Lockup. Yeah, you know, to the
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  Speaker 1: lapses of luxury over there at the Brooklyn Lockup. Folks,
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  Speaker 1: I've told you from the jump, I am not a
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  Speaker 1: fan of the Department of Corrections. I am not a
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  Speaker 1: fan of the facilities being old and decrepit and broken
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  Speaker 1: down and run down and shoddy. There's plenty of money
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  Speaker 1: to fix these places up. Look, I'm not saying they
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  Speaker 1: should be a U. It should be a result, right,
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  Speaker 1: but it should be livable. Basic livable conditions, a room,
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  Speaker 1: running water, a toilet bowl, I mean, a place to
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  Speaker 1: brush your teeth in the morning, you know, the basics.
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  Speaker 1: And beyond that it should be by you know what
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  Speaker 1: crimes have been committed, and you know if you're in
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  Speaker 1: there for a lesser crime, you should get more ability
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  Speaker 1: to move freely or have more freedom within the facility,
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  Speaker 1: or to purchase said comfort items. Right, because at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, it has to be about rehabilitation.
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  Speaker 1: And if you just lose people into the system, toss
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  Speaker 1: them into these jails, into these lockups, and they're hell holes. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you got somebody who goes in there on maybe a
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  Speaker 1: three year stint who comes out of there with a
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  Speaker 1: master's degree in criminology. And I'm not talking about being
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  Speaker 1: a lawyer, my friend. Imagine you have nothing else to do,
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  Speaker 1: and your locked up with some criminal, fucking mastermind for
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  Speaker 1: eighteen hours a day, and this dude's blowing all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of stories in your brain. Now you're there, right, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a little bit longer, you're getting a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more comfortable. So you're there on a two year stint. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now you've got to do work for whoever your people are,
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  Speaker 1: so that two year stint becomes five years. So now
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  Speaker 1: you're disillusioned with everything. Right, you're pissed. You were there
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  Speaker 1: for two years, but you were forced to do dirt
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  Speaker 1: for the cause, whatever the cause may be. When you're
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  Speaker 1: in prison insert fucked up situation here. So now you've
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  Speaker 1: major problems, even worse, But what are you gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: It's either that or your people do whatever they told
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  Speaker 1: you to do to another person to you. So look,
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  Speaker 1: these prisons aren't a fun place. These jails aren't a
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  Speaker 1: fun place. Nobody wants to be there, right, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that we should have levels to it. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're there for a crime, it's your first defense, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a nonviolent crime, probably a work camp for you,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, No need to be in prison where
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna catch extra years because you got to do dirt. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you go to one of these low level camps, one
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  Speaker 1: of these low level prison camps where it's like a
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  Speaker 1: complete no touch policy. Right, if somebody wilds out and
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  Speaker 1: fights with somebody, they're gone. They go automatically back to
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  Speaker 1: medium security or whatever it is. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: incentive there for people to not fight, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: incentive there for people to learn, and if we want
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  Speaker 1: to rehabilitate people, we have to offer that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Punishment's fine and well, and I'm all for it. Right,
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  Speaker 1: if you play the game, you got to pay the price.
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  Speaker 1: If you get caught. It's your job as a criminal.
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  Speaker 1: Not to get caught. It's society's job to catch you.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're out there doing dirt and you get
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  Speaker 1: caught up, hey, that's part of it, right, that's you know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying there shouldn't be any prison at all,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not a one shoe. It's all here we got,
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  Speaker 1: you know, such a diverse country, such a diverse world,
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  Speaker 1: and each case, even when they're even in the same neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: each case is unique. So mandatory sentencing and all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. I am completely against it, one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 1: just like I'm against the death penalty. I used to
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  Speaker 1: be for it, but I am against it these days.
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  Speaker 1: I need to see it. Unless there's overwhelming evidence, right,
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming evidence, then that's a different story. But if there
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  Speaker 1: is even an iota of a doubt, should the state
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  Speaker 1: really be able to execute a citizen? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there's a conversation to be had there, right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not completely you know, against it, where I would
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  Speaker 1: you know, die on that hill. I'm willing to listen
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  Speaker 1: to other arguments about pro stance as for it, but
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  Speaker 1: I personally am not comfortable with the state having that power.
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  Speaker 1: I don't trust the state, and I don't care who's
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  Speaker 1: at the helm. The power of the few is always
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  Speaker 1: a burden to the many. And how often do we
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  Speaker 1: have to see that, I mean on a regular basis
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  Speaker 1: throughout time. So we have to be very careful with
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  Speaker 1: the powers that are given to the state, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to life or death over somebody.
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  Speaker 1: So these facilities in general are a shit show. They're disgusting,
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  Speaker 1: they're a pig sty, They're gross. I've heard from friends
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  Speaker 1: of my own that have been in these places, loved ones.
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  Speaker 1: Not the kind of place you want to be. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I visited I've visited a federal penitentiary a few times
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  Speaker 1: myself when I was younger, going to see people that
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  Speaker 1: I care about up in Lompoc. Not the kind of
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  Speaker 1: place I'd ever want to be. I can tell you
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  Speaker 1: guys that much right now. And the whole process of
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  Speaker 1: getting in there as a shit show too. Those guards
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be there for the most part. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of them aren't happy about things. And look, do
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  Speaker 1: you blame them not being paid correctly, working quadruple shifts,
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  Speaker 1: the whole nine. So the whole thing is fed up, right,
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing is just completely screwed up and it
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  Speaker 1: has to be fixed, and a band aid isn't going
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  Speaker 1: to fix it. Closing this facility, like we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about in this episode, is a step in the
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  Speaker 1: right direction in my opinion, to get things up to
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  Speaker 1: a standard. But once they're up to a standard, are
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  Speaker 1: they going to stay there? And are people going to
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  Speaker 1: be held responsible if they do not? Because like I
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  Speaker 1: always tell you, guys, if you or I are at
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  Speaker 1: work and we have responsibilities, we have to do our responsibilities.
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  Speaker 1: We have to adhere to those or else we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be out of a job. Let me tell you
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  Speaker 1: what that unemployment is about. On out soon, folks. That's
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  Speaker 1: not the kind not the place you want to find
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  Speaker 1: yourself these days. But these people, it doesn't matter, right,
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  Speaker 1: go all the way back to even nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody got fired. Are you kidding me? That kind of
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  Speaker 1: intelligence failure and nobody gets shit canned. Okay, I guess
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  Speaker 1: be a sportsbook supervisor and have somebody hit a horse
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  Speaker 1: that requires a signer and don't get it signed, and
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  Speaker 1: see how quick your shit gets screwed. But man, nine
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  Speaker 1: to eleven, three thousand plus Americans dead, No big deal,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's losing a job. Come on, we're the borg here.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just it's just unseemly that there is no responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody ever gets brought before the carpet, and if they do,
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  Speaker 1: what do they get reshuffled around, moved to a different facility.
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  Speaker 1: People aren't losing pensions over this, and they should be.
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  Speaker 1: And if there's criminal elements going on here, if they've
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  Speaker 1: done something criminal, they should be charged in that regard
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  Speaker 1: as well. So let's see what happens moving forward, but
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  Speaker 1: definitely a step in the right direction at least to
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  Speaker 1: try and clean up some of these facilities. Because let's remember,
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  Speaker 1: guys and ladies out there and everybody out there, not
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  Speaker 1: everybody in this lock up is Glainne Maxwell. We have
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  Speaker 1: to keep that in mind, right, We have to have
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  Speaker 1: that balance. We can't just be you know, pitchforks and
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  Speaker 1: torches at the door with you know, a blood on
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  Speaker 1: our minds and that's it. There's other people in these
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  Speaker 1: facilities that have done way less than Glainne Maxwell. Some
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  Speaker 1: have done more right, there's probably, but there are people
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  Speaker 1: there that are just you know, caught up in this
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  Speaker 1: this disgusting shit that are only going to be there
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  Speaker 1: for a year, year and a half. They deserve to
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  Speaker 1: live in this, this disgusting grossness. I don't know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just not comfortable with it. I get, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: as I'm getting older, I'm becoming more empathetic. If you
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  Speaker 1: would have asked me five years ago how I felt
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  Speaker 1: about all of this, I wouldn't have given one single
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  Speaker 1: damn about any of these people in this prison. I
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  Speaker 1: was so wrapped up in my own nonsense that I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't see the forest through the trees, so busy playing tribalism, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: us versus them. Meanwhile, it's always been them versus us,
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  Speaker 1: if you get my drift. So now I see it
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  Speaker 1: in a completely different way. And when you experience it yourself, right,
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  Speaker 1: you go through it. You have family members or relatives
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  Speaker 1: or friends that get caught up in the system, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're good people who just made a mistake, right,
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  Speaker 1: tried to cheat the system. Maybe shit happens, But for
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  Speaker 1: them to have to go into an environment such as
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  Speaker 1: this and worry about being you know, murdered or assaulted
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  Speaker 1: or God forbids something else, sectually assaulted, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: not at all. I'm not comfortable with that. That's not
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  Speaker 1: what the is supposed to be, right. We got to
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  Speaker 1: rehabilitate some of these people. So I hope this is
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  Speaker 1: a step towards getting this facility under control and keeping
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  Speaker 1: it that way. But it's going to take a monumental
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  Speaker 1: push by the powers that be, and if the indications
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  Speaker 1: that we're seeing across the board hold true, there's no chance.
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  Speaker 1: So let's jump into this article from the Daily News
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  Speaker 1: and let's see what Noah Goldberg and Steven Rex Brown
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  Speaker 1: have to say. The dysfunctional federal jail where Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: hanged himself allegedly in twenty nineteen, will be closed, at
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  Speaker 1: least temporarily, the Justice Department set on Thursday, Well, the
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  Speaker 1: Justice Department's hard at work, folks. You can always count
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  Speaker 1: on your Justice Department to make sure things are moving
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  Speaker 1: in the right direction, and you can always count on
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  Speaker 1: them for transparency. The Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan
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  Speaker 1: could be shut down as soon as the coming month,
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  Speaker 1: sources say. In an effort to address the issues at
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  Speaker 1: MCC and why as quickly and efficiently as possible, the
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  Speaker 1: department has decided to close the mcc at least temporarily
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  Speaker 1: until those issues have been resolved. Planning for the deactivation
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  Speaker 1: is underway, and we will have more updates as the
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  Speaker 1: process continues. A DOJ spokeswoman said in a statement, Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's nice. They're going to have more updates for you
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  Speaker 1: as things move along, folks. See, that's that transparency that
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  Speaker 1: they're known for over at the Department of Justice and
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  Speaker 1: at the Bureau of Prisons. Do you guys know the
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  Speaker 1: Inspector General over at the Department of Justice still has
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  Speaker 1: not concluded his case and look into what happened with
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein or really all these years later to what
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  Speaker 1: are you up to up there? Mister Horwitz? You got
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: what are you guys doing? Again? Just like everything else,
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  Speaker 1: they'll try and make it forever for the report to
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  Speaker 1: come out. How long did we wait for the redacted
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  Speaker 1: pages of the nine to eleven report. They don't want
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  Speaker 1: you to know the truth. And that's the biggest problem.
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  Speaker 1: They do not want you to know the truth. They're
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  Speaker 1: so being able to package it the way they want
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  Speaker 1: it and serve it up to you the way they
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  Speaker 1: want to serve it up to you, that it has
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  Speaker 1: disrupted their whole entire system, since they're not able to
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  Speaker 1: do that right now, because there's so many different outlets
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  Speaker 1: for you to get your news now, right, you're not
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  Speaker 1: reliant on their narrative anymore. Sources were skeptical the jail
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  Speaker 1: would ever resume operations resembling previous years when the jail
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  Speaker 1: held seven hundred or more inmates. The jail currently holds
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  Speaker 1: only two hundred and sixty three inmates, according to Bureau
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  Speaker 1: of Prisons data. All right, well, I thought I said
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty somethings, so even more than that, right,
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  Speaker 1: two sixty three or there, but it's usually running when
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  Speaker 1: it's a capacity at seven hundred, and this throughout history
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  Speaker 1: has been considered one of the more secure federal holding facilities,
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  Speaker 1: right because remember this is just a jail. This is
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  Speaker 1: not a prison. This is a holding facility. As you're
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  Speaker 1: waiting to be sentenced, going to trial, waiting to get
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  Speaker 1: your bid, this is where you would wait. So this
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  Speaker 1: place had seven hundred people who were in transit, waiting
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  Speaker 1: on bids one way or the other to go upstate
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  Speaker 1: to whatever federal facility they were sentenced to. And it
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  Speaker 1: was one of the most secure facilities. For a very
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  Speaker 1: long time, according to sources, right, the place is just
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  Speaker 1: fucking falling apart. One jail insider said, literally for years now.
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  Speaker 1: There's water leakages. There's water leakages, satur of the concrete
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  Speaker 1: infrastructure of some of those floors going on for years.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big reason for having to do this, the
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  Speaker 1: deterioration of the structure. So you know, the devil's always
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  Speaker 1: in the details, right. It's not because people were being
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  Speaker 1: treated inhumanly there, no, that would never happen. It's not
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  Speaker 1: because you know, the facility is just a dump in general.
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  Speaker 1: There's actually foundational issues, so they're probably required by law
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  Speaker 1: to go in there and fix those. Right, that's the
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  Speaker 1: only reason they're doing it. What do they care? For
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  Speaker 1: the most part, the shutdown presents major logistical challenges for
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan Federal Court, which is connected to the jail. District
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  Speaker 1: Executive Ed Friedland, who was in charge of the court's operations,
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  Speaker 1: said he had not been notified of the plan, so
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a logistical nightmare for the Department of Corrections. Now,
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  Speaker 1: thankfully it's the Federal Department of Corrections, right, And I
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  Speaker 1: say thankfully with a smirk. On my face, and not
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  Speaker 1: the state run Department of Corrections, because we see what's
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  Speaker 1: going on at Rikers. Refer to my article about Riker,
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  Speaker 1: I mean my episode about Rikers being a dumpster fire.
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  Speaker 1: So we're glad that it's not the state, right, God forbid?
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, are the Feds really going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to handle it as well? Logistically bringing prisoners from Brooklyn?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's going to be a lot, right. Do
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  Speaker 1: they have the resources for this? I hope they do.
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  Speaker 1: One source said more than one hundred inmates have been
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  Speaker 1: moved from MCC to Brooklyn's federal jail, the Metropolitan Detention
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  Speaker 1: Center in Sunset Park, in the last year. The bulk
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  Speaker 1: of the people will go to the MDC, and the
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  Speaker 1: marshals are looking for other places to put people, one
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  Speaker 1: source said, adding that MCC is the only local federal
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  Speaker 1: jail with a methadone clinic for heroin addicted inmates. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna cause a bit of a problem for these
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  Speaker 1: people who are coming down off that heroin. Huh, not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a fun time. So what are they gonna do?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they're gonna have a plan in place, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's the Feds we see on a regular basis. How
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  Speaker 1: fantastic that all comes into fruition. Right, So you got
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  Speaker 1: heroin addicted inmates getting moved from one facility to the other.
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  Speaker 1: This other facility that they're going to doesn't have a
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  Speaker 1: methadone clinic, So you're gonna have a bunch of people
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  Speaker 1: drying out off of heroin or what are they gonna
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  Speaker 1: do set up a temporary methadone clinic. Look, I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea how any of that works. Certainly not a doctor,
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  Speaker 1: not a drug counselor no idea how any of that works.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they could administer the methadone via a nurse, right,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be done from a clinic. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: there's a law. Again, I have no idea. But the
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  Speaker 1: point is there are a lot of moving parts here.
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  Speaker 1: So it's gonna be really interesting to see how how
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  Speaker 1: the Federal Department of Corrections makes it all happen. One
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  Speaker 1: source said some staffers had received reduction in force letters
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  Speaker 1: notifying them they'd lost their jobs, but Tyrone Covington, the
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  Speaker 1: union rep for correctional officers at MCC, said none of
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  Speaker 1: the rank and file had received such notices he knew
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  Speaker 1: of no plans to close the jail entirely, all right,
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  Speaker 1: So got a little bit of confusion there, misdirection perhaps
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  Speaker 1: who knows the union boss says he has no clue
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  Speaker 1: what's going on, while the Feds are saying this place
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  Speaker 1: is getting shut down. You would think once again that
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  Speaker 1: the current administration would be in contact with the guys
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  Speaker 1: in the union and, you know, having a chat about
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  Speaker 1: what's coming down the pipe. Maybe he calls some people
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  Speaker 1: into the office and let him know you're gonna be
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: losing your job. Then I hear that, and I say
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  Speaker 1: to myself, we know that there's a huge shortage of
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: guards over at rikers all over the place. Really, so
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: why they're gonna fire these federal agents, these federal guards,
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  Speaker 1: Why not just transfer them to a state job instead. Again,
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  Speaker 1: everything's upside down, and everything that's supposed to be uh,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you know, left is right. It's just all it's a
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  Speaker 1: screwy world, folks. We're living in a screwy world. There's
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  Speaker 1: a major draw down in inmate population, Covington said, adding
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  Speaker 1: that he is happy repairs her underway. The news comes
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  Speaker 1: less than a month after Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco
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  Speaker 1: visited the jail to get a first hand look at
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  Speaker 1: its operations and infrastructure given ongoing concerns. Well, that's nice
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: she was able to rouse herself from her cozy little
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: spot down there in DC head over to New York
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  Speaker 1: and see how the pleaves are living. Then again, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe she does care, right, Maybe she's one of those
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  Speaker 1: few people that actually get hell about what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Considering that she shows up and then the place is
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  Speaker 1: closing down, all right, we'll give her the benefit of
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the doubt. Maybe she plans to have further meetings about
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the facility after her return to Washington. The Justice Department
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  Speaker 1: said in an August fourth release. The lock up has
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  Speaker 1: been plagued by headline grabbing dysfunction since Epstein hanged himself
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  Speaker 1: allegedly in his cell while awaiting trial for sex trafficking
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  Speaker 1: of minors. Two correctional officers on duty that night admitted
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  Speaker 1: to neglecting their duties the night of the sex offender's
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  Speaker 1: death as part of a non prosecution agreement. So, look,
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  Speaker 1: we know that this jail is and was a shit show.
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  Speaker 1: We know that they weren't administering this jail correctly and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: we also know that everything we heard about the Knight
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: of Epstein's alleged suicide just doesn't add up. Now they're
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: closing the facility where the crime allegedly a crime occurred. Interesting.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: The jail also went into a week long lockdown after
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: someone snuck a gun into the building in February of
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty. No one has been charged for the security breach.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Alarming accounts emerged from the jail in twenty twenty about
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: coronavirus ravaging inmate housing areas. All right, well, I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that one is kind of how do you stop that
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you have a bunch of people in close contact. I mean,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: that's kind of difficult to stop short of letting everybody
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: out of jail, and I think a lot of that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: was done. I mean I probably wouldn't have let out
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: violent offenders like some of these people did. But look,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: what do I know. I don't have their case files
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: in front of me. Maybe they you know, maybe they've repented,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: maybe they've become better people. Like I always say, I'm
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: interested in who you are today, not who you were yesterday.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you have to, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: pay your debt to society. If a jury has rendered
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: that decision, then you have to pay that debt. One
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: officer in the building was sentenced to three years in
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: prison last year for preying on at least seven female
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: inmates at the jail starting in twenty twelve. Probably a
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: real swell fellaw huh? I mean, how low could you
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: possibly be? What sort of gutter swimming rat are you
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: that you're trying to hook up with prisoners in your
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: charge as you're a prison guard. What a pathetic, pathetic
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: human being, whoever that is. Yet another was arrested after
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: catching a visitor trying to sneak contraband into the jail
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and demanded sex from her instead of getting her in trouble.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Imagine that's the first thing you think, Oh, look, I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: caught this lady with contraband. Instead of ratting her out
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and getting her in trouble, maybe I could coerce her
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and you know, a little uh roll around in the sheets.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Fuck is wrong with you? Obviously not enough life lessons
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: taught to that person throughout their life thinking like that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Inmates have described the jail as a fetid, bug and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: mice infested hellhole where feces leaks out of the busted
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: pipes into cells that get no heat. Yo. Look, that's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: unacceptable for me. Again. I'll tell you guys till the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: cows come home. And I'm willing to defend my opinions
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: on the current state of the Bureau of Prisons and
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: lock ups around the country and the way prisoners are treated.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to defend my positions on this. I feel
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: very strongly about prison reform. We've tried it the other way.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: That doesn't work. So when you hear about you know,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: rat feces and shit like that coming out of pipes,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: it's really unacceptable. A basic level of living is a must.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And then on top of that, there has to be programs.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about some little stupid woodshop program,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: all right, and that's all. There is real programs for
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: people where they go and learn a skill, Teach them
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: how to do audio, teach them how to do lighting,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: teach them how to be stage hands. Let the convicts
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: put on plays. I'm talking about places minimum security, right, folks,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: medium security, maybe some of this stuff. People that have
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a chance to rehabilitate should have that chance. And if
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you give them the skill set while they're inside, some
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: of the people who might not have ever had that
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: chance before. Who knows. Maybe they come out and they
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: feel like they have something to lose and they don't
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: want to go back to that hell hole. But we
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: as a society have to make sure that, you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: our prisons and our jails are at the very least
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: a livable quality. And I think that the evidence throughout
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the years, with the way things have gone at these prisons,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: it shows you that when there's no avenue for people
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to be creative or rehabilitate, the prisons are an absolute nightmare,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: and people come back through the revolving door at such
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a huge clip. So I'm glad that this facility is
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: getting a facelift it looks like at the very least,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and if it closes down, I'm fine with that too.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: But again, what's going to take its place? What sort
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of hell hole will spring up in place of the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: MCC We all know how it goes. They love to
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: put lipstick on a pig, don't they. So all we
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: can do, like everything else, is wait and see. One
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: thing I can tell you, though, for sure, is you
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: don't ever want to find yourself in one of these lockups.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me. You can do that
• 25:14
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• 25:19
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• 25:23
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• 25:29
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• 25:33
  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box What's up,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Everybody in Greetings from Sin City. Recently, we found out
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that the MCC, the place where Jeffrey Epstein was being
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: held and where Jeffrey Epstein died, is either being closed
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: down or getting a facelift. Now it's kind of a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: up in the air which one it's going to be.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: At this point, we really don't have too much concrete information,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: but the New York Post has a new article out
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: talking about this situation a little bit more, and I figured,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: with it being a little slow in the world of
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein news, considering we're all caught up, that we'd
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: add a little more meat to the bone about this
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: situation over at the MCC and take another look at
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: what's going on over there, because it's really a big problem,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the whole entire situation when it comes to the Department
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of Corrections and these facilities where inmates are being held,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Inmates are being shipped, inmates are in transit. It's all
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: broken at its foundation, and there doesn't seem to be
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: any interest in really fixing it. And this isn't a
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: problem to be you know, put at the feet of
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the current administration solely, right. This is a problem that
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: goes back years and years and years and years. So
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: there's plenty of people to blame here, but there has
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to be some sort of I guess, come to Jesus
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: moment almost where the federal government realizes that it's time
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to step up and get these facilities at the very
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: least in working order. How are we going to conduct
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the people's business of timely trials, getting people in front
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: of judges in a timely manner if the lockups are
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: being shut down. Now, I'm all for the lockups being
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: shut down if that means people aren't being you know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: processed for crimes that are ridiculous, cool, that's great. The
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: less criminals, the better off we all are as a society,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: more rehabilitation. But that's not the case, right, They're going
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: to continue with their you know, industrial complex jail system
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: where they're just pushing people through, so they're gonna need
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: these facilities, right, We already have a problem with overcrowding
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: at facilities around the nation, be it statewide or federal.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So now they're closing this bad boy down. And it
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: really looks like when it comes down to it, folks,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: like everything else with these bureaucrats, like everything else that
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: we've seen in this case and with the federal government,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they don't have a clue what they're doing. They don't
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: have a plan in place, they don't know what's going
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to happen with these inmates. They don't have the logistics
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: figure it out, so they'll play it by ear, you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: they'll wait to see what happens, and then they'll shoot
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: from the hip like they always do, because you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that works out so well for everybody. You would think
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: with such a bloated bureaucracy that has so much money
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: being pumped into it, that they'd be able to figure
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: out basic logistics that they'd be able to keep a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: jail holding place like this in at the very least
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: working order. But no, they can't even do that. They
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: have a hard time accomplishing that small feat. So is
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: it any wonder that the MCC is about to be
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: shut down for either a serious facelift or closed down altogether.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: They don't know how to administer these jails, folks, And
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the proof is right here in the pudding, as they say.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So let's jump into this article from the New York
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Post and let's see what Ben feure Heard has uncovered
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: about the MCC headline. No clear plan in place to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: shutter federal jail where Jeffrey Epstein died. Like I said,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: this article was authored by Ben feure Heard. The Federal
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Bureau of Prisons may move some two hundred inmates from
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the troubled Manhattan lockup where Jeffrey Epstein killed himself allegedly
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to a Brooklyn jail by early October, but it's unclear
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: if the agency has established a plan in place for transfers,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: an agency lawyer said Friday, Again, what are why would
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: they even have any of this going on if they
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: don't have a plan in place. Isn't that the first
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: thing you do? You set up your plan, get your
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: logistics worked out, then you actually, you know, hatch your plot.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: But no, they want to do everything backwards like usual.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: It's an absolute joke, folks. Is really it really is?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Watching the government fall over themselves like a bunch of
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: drunken sailors on a regular basis. If it wasn't so
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: impactful to the rest of our lives, it would be
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: hilarious to witness. But it's not. These are the people
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: with the keys to the castle. It's like giving your
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: drunken uncle Steven the keys to your sports car and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: telling them to go have a nice joy ride. It
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: just doesn't The apparent lack of a transfer transfer plan
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: was revealed in a Brooklyn federal court hearing one day
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: after the Justice Department announced it would shudder the notorious
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Metropolitan Correctional Center. And this is what I mean. We
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: just talked about this, right We just basically a couple
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of episodes ago talked about the jailhouse and how it
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: was being shuttered. But again, like I said, in that episode,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: they don't have any plans. When when When does last
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: time they they talked about their plans for anything like this.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: They're never transparent with the people. They just you know, oh,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: we have this this grand plan, and this is what's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: going to happen. And they they hatched this plot at
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, and they don't even figure out
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: if it if it'll work or not. Logistically, they'll drop
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: it on someone's lap and say, all right, make it happen,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: And it happens in government bureaucracy from the bottom to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the top on a regular basis, minute after minute, hour
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: after hour. How about we cut some of the red tape. Huh?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Can't there just be one person in charge to one point,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: man or woman who is responsible for what's going on,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: one person where you look at that person and say, hey,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the buck stops here. So if something goes south like
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: it did with Epstein, it's not a hodgepodge of finger
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: pointing and trying to figure out who's to blame. There
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: got to be somebody who's in charge. Somebody has to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: take responsibility. That would be nice during these processes with
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: these bureaucracies. But you'll get like a spokesman to come
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: out and make a statement. But you can't hold the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: spokesperson responsible, right, They're just they're the spokesperson for whatever
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: bureaucrat is hiding behind their office door. And we see
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: that magnified to a billion times greater than your average
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: eye sight when you're talking about the Department of Corrections
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and this absolute dumpster fire that we see. I don't
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: believe there's a written plan, said Seth Eichenoltz, an attorney
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: representing BOP in his civil suit brought against it by
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the New York Federal Defenders. I've heard discussions of a timeline,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but they are tentative, he added, of the proposed inmate
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: transfers to the Metropolitan Detention Center in Sunset Park, Brooklyn.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: So was it a photo op? Right? Was it a
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: virtue signal for the Department of Justice to make this announcement?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't you probably get the logistics in order first. I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: don't mean to keep harping on that, but it's it's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: very basic. Anyone who's ever been involved in some sort
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of you know, blueprint of making some some sort of
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: game plan work, you know there's a lot of logistics
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that go into it. And if you don't have the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: logistics worked out, forget it. It's going to be a nightmare.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: So again, this might be a situation where the Deputy
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Attorney General was just trying to score some points. Right, Oh,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get this fixed. We're closing this down and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: speaking out of the side of her neck, if you will,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: without having anything concrete in writing without having anything locked in.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe just her reaction to the squalid conditions,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and I could see that, I could understand that, Right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to walk into a facility that they're de
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: facto in charge of and see it being run like
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: some sort of disgusting prison camp from insert war here
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. Right, So, you know, maybe she
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: reacted emotionally or something, but can't really do that in
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that position. You have to have all of your ducks
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: in a row before you're making it making any comments
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: to the public about oh, we're closed this facility down
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and this is gonna happen or that's gonna happen. Probably
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: should have some sort of inter department meeting first, and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you know, get everybody aware of what the deal is.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: My primary concern is the timeline set attorney Deirdre von Dornham.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: That's only five weeks from now. I think that's a
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: very short time to accommodate over two hundred detainees, she said.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And what will probably happen is the Department of Justice
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: will just rush it through like they do everything else,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and it'll end up being a shit show. Right, But
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: what do they care. They're cushy offices in DC. They're
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: not the ones that have to be on the ground
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and dealing with it, figuring out the logistics of Manhattan
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: traffic coming from Brooklyn, to get people to go to court,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: to go to trial, to see a judge. What do
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: they care? Yeah, these bureaucrats are never in the business
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: of making things easier, right, They're in the business of
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: making people's lives harder so they can justify their jobs.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And it's just so rampant throughout government, state and local,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And it's not just one party or the other, by
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the way, both parties engaging in it on a regular basis.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: In a statement Thursday, a DOJ spokesperson announced the agency
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: plans to shutter the MCC at least temporarily, in an
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: effort to address issues at the at the troubled lock up.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Planning for deactivation is under away and we will have
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: more updates as that process continues. The spokesperson said. So again,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not exactly against closing down this facility. If it's
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: a dump, right and people aren't being treated like humans there,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: close it down, But you have to have a plan
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: in place before you do that. You have to have
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a new facility built, right, aren't we talking about all
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: sorts of infrastructure money that's about to come down the pipe. Well,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of an investment for you. Let's
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: build some more facilities, some new facilities to if you're
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: going to replace this one, right or just refurbish it
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: or whatever, Well, let's make sure that it's a livable
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: place where people can go and wait for their jail sentencing.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: It's not too much to ask, right, You've got a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: society with we have so much money. Guys can take
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: flights over up to space and look down at the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: rest of us for a couple of seconds. Pretty sure
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: we have the money to make sure that the foundations
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: aren't breaking at federally owned buildings. And I don't care
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: if it's a jail house, a courthouse, or anything in between.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: There's plenty of federal tax dollars to drop bombs on
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: people in the middle of the desert, but you don't
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: have any money to wrangle up to fix buildings and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: shit here on the home front. That doesn't pass the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: sniff test with me. The MCC has long been plagued
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: by security and corruption issues, which exploded in the Innal
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: press when multimillionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself allegedly in
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: a jail cell there in twenty nineteen while awaiting trial. Yeah,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that shined a big time spotlight on
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: this situation. Blew it right up, didn't it. Those guards
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: falling asleep was a whole new twist. And when you
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: look at the big picture, all of those coincidences happening
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: all at the same time. Huh, what are the chances
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: of that. I'm not a statistician, right, I'm not very
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: good at math even but I'm sure it's a large, large,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: large number in these two guards. And to be honest
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: with you, I think that that whole situation with those
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: two guards was ridiculous from the jump. Like I said,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: sure they should have been penalized, But what about their
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: boss or their boss's boss, who is the shift manager
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: on duty? Why wasn't the crime scene because that's what
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: it is until we know any different, treat it as such.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Where were the body cameras? Where the pictures? None of
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. So yeah, the MCC and absolute shithole
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that probably should be shut down. But you need to
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: have a plan in place. You can't just shut it
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: down because it feels good. What are you gonna do?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Put an unneeded burden on Brooklyn now, so the inmates
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: there are even less safe, the quality of life there
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: is even less then, So the Department of Justice is
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: going to have to figure this out right and have
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: a plan in place. Earlier this year, a federal judge
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: in the Southern District of New York ranted from the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: bench about conditions at the facility and the Federal jail
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, saying that were run by morons. Look, I
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: cannot disagree with this judge in that in that sense,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: these facilities certainly are run by morons. Now, I'm sure
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: that there are a ton of very very very good
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: guards men and women who go to work every day
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and do their best to make sure that they go
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: home safe, their colleagues go home safe, and that the
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: inmates are safe when they're in their charge. I'm sure
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: there are. The vast majority of prison guards are those people.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: The problem is I don't believe that they get it
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: good enough training and the compensation. Look, you gotta compensate people.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Most of us spend our whole lives trying to avoid
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: going to jail. These people go there willingly every day
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: to make sure that these prisoners don't kill each other,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: that there's not riots, that you know, that it's administered
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  Speaker 1: in a proper manner. So if we compensate people a
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  Speaker 1: little more fairly, perhaps well, maybe more people will be
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  Speaker 1: willing to do the job, more qualified people, people who
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought about it previously. We know that money talks.
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan Federal Judge Colleen McMahon lamented that the wardens at
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  Speaker 1: the facilities cycle in and out and employees fail to
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  Speaker 1: address safety concerns. And again, I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: that has to do with resources, right. That sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a resource problem to me. And there's probably a segment
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  Speaker 1: of the guards who are not good people. Like in
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  Speaker 1: any other segment of society, you probably have certain guards
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  Speaker 1: who for whatever reason, are not quality individuals. They don't
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  Speaker 1: care about the inmates, or you know, they're involved in smuggling,
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  Speaker 1: contrabandon or whatever it might be. There's definitely a segment
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  Speaker 1: of that too. But the biggest problem that I can
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  Speaker 1: see is the way these places are administered. Like the
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  Speaker 1: judge said, here, you got wardens being sent all over
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  Speaker 1: the place because they can't manage this facilit so you
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  Speaker 1: put them in a different facility. It's like the Catholic
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  Speaker 1: Church with priests. Here's an idea. If there's a Catholic
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  Speaker 1: church who has done something to a child, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: probably should throw that person in prison. And if you're
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  Speaker 1: a warden at one of these lockups and you don't
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  Speaker 1: know your ass from your elbow, well you should probably
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  Speaker 1: either be fired or demoted to janitor. Because the warden
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  Speaker 1: position is obviously not a place that a majority of
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  Speaker 1: these people that they have in these positions should be in.
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  Speaker 1: There is no continuity, there is no leadership, there is
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  Speaker 1: no ability to get anything done. They lurched from crisis
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  Speaker 1: to crisis, from the gun smuggling to Jeffrey Epstein, she
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  Speaker 1: said at the sentencing of a drug defendant. So look,
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  Speaker 1: even you even have judges in New York, federal judges
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  Speaker 1: who are sitting on the bench, who are sentencing people
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  Speaker 1: every day to gigantic sentences, who comes out and says
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  Speaker 1: that this facility is an absolute shithole and it needs
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  Speaker 1: to be addressed, it needs to be fixed. They're run
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  Speaker 1: by morons. What more do you need. Everybody's telling us
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  Speaker 1: that that they're run by morons, except for the union
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  Speaker 1: that's protecting them. So I think that there needs to
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  Speaker 1: be a huge shakeup in the leadership of these bureaucracies,
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  Speaker 1: especially the Bureau of Prisons, and we need to entice
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  Speaker 1: new people, perhaps into taking some of these jobs by
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  Speaker 1: offering a better financial package. This is the federal government. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: they can bump up the dough a little bit. They
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  Speaker 1: print money for everything else. Give people a few more
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  Speaker 1: bucks an hour the dangerous job. I certainly don't want
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  Speaker 1: to go work in a jail cell where at any
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  Speaker 1: moment somebody could shank you for some perceived injustice, or
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  Speaker 1: throw a bunch of feces and urine in your face
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  Speaker 1: and give you hepatitis or whatever the hell else. These
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  Speaker 1: people aren't robots that work in these jails. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about the guards now, not the bureaucrats. They aren't robots,
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  Speaker 1: normal human beings with emotions and stuff like that. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that some more compensation is probably in order.
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  Speaker 1: And if we want to get these institutions back online,
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  Speaker 1: and we want these institutions to be able to foment
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  Speaker 1: a bit of trust within them amongst the populace, then
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  Speaker 1: they would probably start doing the right thing as far
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  Speaker 1: as hiring very very very qualified people to run these places,
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  Speaker 1: but instead, like the NFL, they continue to recycle wardens. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: this guy was a warden, this woman was a warden.
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  Speaker 1: They were a shitty at this job. Let's put him
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  Speaker 1: at another facility. And like everything else with these people,
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  Speaker 1: the wheel continues to go round and round and round.
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  Speaker 1: The question is when is somebody gonna break it? If
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