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Pam Walck: Rejoicing In Hope, Patient In Affliction, Faithful In Prayer · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Fiorazo.
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Hey friends, brothers and sisters in Christ, thank you so much for tuning in to World
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View Matters for sharing the podcast.
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Got a great sister in Christ back with us again, Pam Walk, author of the book, Bridge of Love,
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which we've had around before, but it's such a good book and I want to talk about it a little
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bit more.
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Plus some other things in her life and catch up with her, Bridge of Love, 30 true stories
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of faith in action.
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Her website is joy, Luke 157, that's at wordpress.com.
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You can get her over at Facebook as well, she's got a Facebook page.
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The last name is spelled W-A-L-C-K-W-A-L-C-K-Pam Walk and a sister.
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So good to see you again.
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Welcome back to World View Matters.
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Hi David, nice to be back, thanks for having me.
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Yeah, I just want to just start off by just asking what's been going on with your life
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because you've had like the accident here and there and you've had your health battles
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before, of course, with chemo and everything you went through and God is sustaining you,
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but now these other little things are going on.
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And sometimes we think, well, it's spiritual warfare, but sometimes it's just life, you
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know, in this imperfect planet where we are in these bodies, but just share a little
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bit of what you've been going through lately.
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Yeah, so as you know, I was diagnosed in August of 2021 with stage 4 lung cancer, non-smoker,
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and after much testing, they put me on a target pill called Tigrasso, and I've been
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not on that ever since I take it once a day.
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And then in January of 2023, I started feeling funny, like not doing so well because I'd
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had a whole bunch of lung drains done about 40 of them.
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And I was doing well.
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And then I wasn't, so then I went on chemo therapy, someone on chemo since last May of 2023.
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And actually, most people complain about chemo, I actually feel really good on it.
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I don't have any nausea, I feel good on it, I have no problem with it whatsoever.
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So my doctor laughs at me because she's like usually most people might say, oh, I feel
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nauseous or I don't feel that good.
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And I said, no, I feel like I'm walking on water.
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Like Peter walking on water, I said, I feel good.
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So my chemo was held for the past eight weeks because I woke up in the middle of the night
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and my arm felt sore.
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And I thought, this is really weird.
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And I look at it and it looked like a pimple was on my arm and I'm thinking, this is
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like in the end of February.
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And I thought, why do I have a pimple on my arm?
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First of all, I'm older, I really don't get pimples, right?
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And it didn't look weird, it just looked weird.
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And to make a long story short, within a few days, it got huge.
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And it became an abscess, which I don't really know anything about abscessies.
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All I know is it's an infected, just a huge body.
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And it was probably this big.
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And the whole thing had to be insized drained.
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I mean, I went to the emergency room several times and it was painful.
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And so they held my chemo.
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And they said, well, because of wound healing, chemo causes you to have less wound healing.
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So they held my chemo for eight weeks.
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In the meantime, a few weeks after this happens with my arm, I was pretty tired one day.
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And I had come home from taking my car and to get it looked at if there was like an oil
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leak or something, which it wasn't.
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And I'm in the garage and my mom's aid had left.
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She had, she was working like 35 hours a week and ended up having some health issues
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herself.
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So I was desperately looking for aids for her.
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And I thought, I'm just going to be at the entrance to the garage and I'm vacuuming.
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And I tripped over this rolled up rug in the corner.
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And I was like, my ankle went right in and I thought, oh, no.
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And you know, I'm a higher physical therapist.
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So I knew right away.
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I thought, I hope it's not my ankle.
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Well, it wasn't my ankle.
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It was my foot and my left foot started hurting and I started icing it and so forth.
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And it wasn't going.
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And then I went to the grocery store two days later and I'm walking and walking, walking
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up the aisles and it just kept getting worse.
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And then the next day was church and I ended up going to the orthopedic urgent care.
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And the physician's assistant was like, I can't believe you're not crying.
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And I go, why would I be crying?
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And she goes, the top phone, she pulled it up on the x-ray.
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The top phone was going to the left and the bottom bone was going to the right.
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Oh, and it was complete severed.
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And I was like, wow, and I said, is this going to require surgery?
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And she said, no, but you're going to be in a cam boot, you know, which is a half boot for a while.
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So I've been in the cam boot for two months and I just had it react straight on Monday.
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And the doctor said probably one more month, but it's called a ballerina fracture.
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And no, I'm not a ballerina, but that's the position that a lot of arenas.
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I guess fracture, they're what?
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So yes, I've been going through that.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Now, I mean, I, what we were saying before we got on the program is people,
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everyone wants to hear about that.
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How you did that because everybody vacuums or everybody has vacuumed at some point.
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And you broke your foot, vacuuming.
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And so people want to know what to be careful for rolled up carpets, right?
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Is that over something?
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Yeah.
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I rolled, there was a rolled up in the corner in the garage and I tripped over it.
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And that's when my ankle turned.
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So it actually is the most common of the fractures in the foot, the fifth metatarsal.
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And the doctor said it's very, very common.
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And it's funny because my mom's a van driver when she goes for a lab set,
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she had the same exact thing, a ballerina fracture.
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Huh.
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Interesting.
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So I mean, we were planning on talking about this, but just your quick thoughts.
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A lot of people would chalk that up to, you're out there, you're a believer in Christ,
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you're well trained and educated, you're sharing the gospel.
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You've got an amazing biblical worldview and you're really ticking off the devil.
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You're ticking off the right, you know what I mean?
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The right, you know, entities.
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And so people said that's got to be spiritual warfare.
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But then other people in another camp might say, well, you know, I hurt myself all the
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time because I'm a clots or whatever, it's just life.
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Some people have diseases, some people have, you know, things at home or physical things.
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What's your quick thoughts on that?
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I mean, we're not going to spend a lot of time on that.
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I just thought I'd ask.
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Yeah.
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It's all right.
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You know, I think sometimes I have a tendency to take on too many things, even though
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it doesn't seem like I do because, you know, I'm retired right now, but I have a tendency
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to do a lot at once.
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And I think I should have listened to my body more and said, you know what, slow down,
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do it later.
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You know, I came home from doing a bunch of errands and taking my car and in everything.
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And truly, chemotherapy and my medicine does make me tired.
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So I do need more sleep and rest than I ever did before.
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So I have to adjust that and I have to say, okay, this is not maybe the pan I was two and
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a half years ago.
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I need to maybe take a break for half an hour and then go out and vacuum.
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But no, I was in hurry and wanted to get it done, you know.
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What would I attribute it to?
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Probably just poor planning on my behalf and not listening to my, my body, which God
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makes us hold beings, you know, physical, virtual, mental, emotional, everything.
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And sometimes it's, it's just saying slow down, you know, just slow down pan.
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And he slowed me down.
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I mean, he allowed it to happen because now I've been, you know, I've just had my leg
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up for a while and now I'm walking on it and so forth.
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And for the first month, it was so painful.
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I had to have it up in the air a lot.
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So it just is the way it is.
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But I ended up getting a lot, I, I've been working on a second book and I got quite
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a, you know, a bit going on that.
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So in that sense, he did slow me down and I'm more focused with that stuff again.
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So yeah.
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Well, it does say in Psalm 23, he, there are times when he makes us lie down in green
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and pastures, but here we are, a lot of us, you know, are in relatively good health
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and we're listening to you.
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You have a passion and a joy to share the gospel.
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And by the way, the book, friends, bridge of love, it is on Amazon, but it's also on
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Pam's website, which we will link to, I want to make sure you guys check it out.
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And we'll go, well, I just mentioned some table, the contents in a minute.
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Here we are hearing you and you just so countersally said, Oh, yeah, I've had however many
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lung drains, I want to make sure people know what that is.
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They literally, the drain fluid from your lung.
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Is that correct?
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Yeah.
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I had that done in 21 to 22.
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So initially you go to the hospital and you have what's called a thoracinthesis, which
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is you lean over this table and the interventional radiologist comes and puts a hole with a needle
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into your back and drains the fluid from your lung.
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So you really can't see what's going on, which I'm glad because I really don't want to
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watch it.
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And it goes into bad and, you know, it's, it's very painful, especially the longer it's
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been in there, it can become what's called laculated, which is stuck to the sides of
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your lung.
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And then it's extremely painful.
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So I had that done four times and then I, because it was so gray, like, I don't know if my
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lung is full, I couldn't tell.
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So the hospital had said they really thought it was best, um, razzle park, which is a cancer
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hospital to have a pleurex put in.
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And that's a small indwelling catheter.
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So I have surgery on that.
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It's just an outpatient procedure where you go in, they put a small catheter in, but it
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was extremely painful because they go through ribs.
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And that took probably a month to heal.
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And in the meantime, I slept in a recliner for nine months straight up and down because
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I could not lay in a bed because I couldn't breathe.
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And also because of the fact that after I had the surgery with the pleurex, it was extremely
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painful.
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So then the nurse would come out to the house every other day and drain my lung.
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And this went on for six months, but initially was every other day and then it went down.
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And it was scary.
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I mean, I'm not going to deny it.
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I'm a person that was always in good health, went to the gym, never had issues like this,
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could do whatever I wanted.
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And now I'm leaning over the kitchen table with a nurse, you know, draining my lung.
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And it was just horrifying.
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And honestly, the only thing that kept me kind of like grounded is my faith.
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You know, I just keep pleading, not pleading, but just saying, Jesus, you know, you're with
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me.
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Please help there to be very minimal fluid today.
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And I just kept praying and praying and sometimes it two or three in the morning, I would be
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calling in prayer hotlines because I couldn't sleep.
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And it was just, you know, things can get to you emotionally because it is.
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It's very scary to go through these things.
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And I'm very thankful for the Christian community because there, you know, it's, it's people
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all over the world.
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I mean, I had people, my one friend, Dr. Kama, she had friends calling me for a different
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areas of India and just praying for me.
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And I was, wow, you know, so they really do come together the body of Christ.
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I love the fact that we're all kind of, you know, family, we are family.
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We are.
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And we're not just because we're across the miles and different states, even in different
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countries, same, same God, same Holy Spirit, we are family.
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And in fact, not for this top, this show, but it's a different topic.
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We have to have that perspective and that frame of mind when it comes to our persecuted
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brothers and sisters in different countries because we've had such a reprieve here.
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And we've been so blessed to be in America.
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But that's again, that's for another show.
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But we are family are, we have in America here, if you're a Christian, we have dual citizenship.
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Our citizenship is in heaven as believers.
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We are positionally already there.
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But physically we are still here to do the work that God's called us to do, which brings
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us to Pam walk, which I've had on the show before and I'm inspired by you sister.
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I really am when I tend to start thinking, oh, you know, complaining about something in
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my life, I look at you and go, man, I don't know how she does it.
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But it has to be God and the strength that he provides and gives you.
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And before we got on the air, I asked what was on your heart.
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And can I share the scripture from Romans 12?
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Yeah.
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So this is what we're going to talk about a little bit often on today.
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In Romans 12, a starting in verse 11, it says, not lagging behind indiligence, fervent
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in spirit, serving the Lord, rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted
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to prayer, another translation says faithful to prayer.
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And I just want you to share whatever you would like to about that verse because God put
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it on your heart.
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Yeah, I just saw, I feel like the last month or two, it's been kind of like one thing
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after another with different afflictions between myself or just even trying to find
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aids for my mom or just anything.
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And just some personal things.
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And I just felt like he really put on my heart that verse about being joyful and hope
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in patient and affliction, specifically the patient in affliction because I think sometimes
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I'm not always patient.
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I know I'm not.
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And I always have to, like I said, even just the vacuuming just slow down and be patient
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with myself and also patient with others when they don't maybe get what I'm saying or
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just personality things or whatever, just being patient in affliction because whenever
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we go through life, I mean, the Bible says in this world, you will have trouble.
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You will have trouble.
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So the Lord already tells us that and we have to be patient in affliction.
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It doesn't mean we don't do anything.
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I mean, we pray, but we also act responsibly.
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And when we do that, I think that glorifies him because we're being patient.
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And like I said, I think he gave me that verse because, you know, sometimes I get frustrated
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and, you know, I'm like, okay, my foot is still not healed.
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And now it's going to be summer.
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And I'd like to go walking or I was supposed to go on a vacation at the end of April.
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I was going to see the ark and the creation museum in Kentucky.
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Yes.
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And, yeah, and they have got postponed down because it's a lot of walking.
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And I thought when they do be in a scooter.
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So I'm not think people can't go on scooters.
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But normally I walk so I would prefer to be able to walk.
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So I will go at a later date.
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And I thought, well, you know,
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I just have to be patient in affliction here because I can't change it.
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All I can do is pray that the Lord manifests his healing and that it will happen soon.
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And, you know, but yeah, that's the verse about being joyful and whole.
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Patient affliction and faithful in prayer.
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Yes.
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So it's so important to keep praying and not to stop praying because I remember one time I heard on a Christian TV show.
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The guy saying that he prayed for 35 years for his family to come to Christ.
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35 years.
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Because I was kind of complaining in my head, which I know it's not a good thing to complain.
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Because we're not supposed to be complaining.
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Lord, what is taking so long for so and so to get saved or become a believer.
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And then right away I turn on the TV and the guy's talking about 35 years.
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And I thought, he's patient.
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You know, I need patients.
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Yeah.
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So I'll never.
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That's Romans 12 12.
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We've got to take a brief pause. We're with Pam walk.
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We're going to talk more with her about other things.
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We've talked about the book before Bridge of Love and we'll touch on that.
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But I also want to ask her about some photos on her website when we come back on World View Matters.
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So Pam walk is our guest today at Pam.
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It's Pamela walk.
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The website is Pamela walk and the web.
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The last name, of course, W-A-L-C-K. Pamelawalk.com.
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So I want to talk to you about a photo of a woman we both knew.
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You got to spend some time with her in person.
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Me, she had me on her radio show several times Linda Penn, who is now with the Lord.
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Praise God.
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I'm a little jealous, to be honest.
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But anyway, so there's a photo of you and an interview.
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And tell us a little bit about we touched on this last time you were on.
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And that was, I think that was that was shortly after she went home, the beef of the Lord.
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So why did you decide to put this picture on your website?
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Well, Linda always meant a lot to me.
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She, she was a wonderful mentor.
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And she really had a zeal for Jesus.
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You know, she was always sharing the gospel Bible studies.
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She had this thing called death by chocolate at the church that I attended.
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I, you know, been attending for 20 some years.
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And there would be like 3000 women that would attend it.
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It was once a year is called death by chocolate.
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And it was all chocolate and cappuccinos and everything.
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It was a huge outreach to try to get the community in.
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And she just always had ideas, you know, to try to reach people for Christ.
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It was all her agenda was always the kingdom.
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You know, how can we grow people?
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How can we grow disciples?
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How can we multiply disciples?
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And when she started her radio program today's living hope.
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She had asked me to be on it.
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And I loved being on it.
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It was wonderful.
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And Linda was just, I don't know, she was such a light, you know.
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And I just, I'm sad that she's gone now because it just was so sudden.
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But at the same time, yes, like you said, I mean, she's with Jesus.
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We know that.
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And her husband, Ralph is still, you know, I think he moved from this.
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The area back to where his son is, but at the same time on, you know,
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I'm sure he's comforted in knowing that he will see her one day again.
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Yeah, she had a radio show today's living hope.
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I believe it was called and she did that for years.
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And that's how we got connected with her.
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There you are in the studio with Linda Penn.
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All right.
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Now with Jesus.
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I want to go over to your book.
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And again, it's on Amazon friends or you can go to Pamela walk.com.
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Just look at the table of contents.
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And I'm just going to pick out one or two or maybe you can share whatever you'd like.
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But just so many, you say 30 stories and you're not kidding.
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I mean, in the Isles of Walmart, you know what, let's just stop right there.
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Because everybody goes grocery shopping or we're in a department store or something.
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I know that's got to be about you sharing the gospel.
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So tell us about that one.
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That's chapter three in the Isles of Walmart.
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Okay.
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So this is kind of a girly girly one a little bit, but not.
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You know, just the beginning of it.
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Nothing was I went to the store to buy mascara.
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And, you know, it was almost closing time and I'm walking around and I'm looking at.
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There's like so many choices.
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This is many years ago.
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And there wasn't like a particular brand I used and I was just looking like Lord.
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Why is this so hard to just find a brand?
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There's like so many brands and all of a sudden and I know this sounds crazy.
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But I literally felt like the Holy Spirit said go witness to them.
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I was like, this has got to be my imagination.
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Well, I turned around and I had not like I was very focused on these mascara.
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The makeup and I turn around and there are a few Muslim women standing there and they're looking at perfume.
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And I thought wow, I did not see them at all because they must have came up after I was there.
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And I thought maybe that was the Holy Spirit.
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Maybe that was Jesus trying to tell me to talk to them.
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I think what am I going to talk to complete strangers about?
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So I came up with something.
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I just said, hi, how are you?
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What, you know, what kind of perfume you're looking for or whatever?
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We ended up in this conversation.
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And you know, I just said, oh, you know, we both have accents where you from.
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And the one was coming was visiting.
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And the other woman was attending the University of Buffalo, her husband was attending.
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And we ended up exchanging phone numbers.
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And we met a few times and we discussed the differences between the Quran and the Bible.
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And it was just like a, we had a friendship for about six months.
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And after that, it kind of dissipated because her husband was very busy and she had just had a baby.
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Maybe and so forth.
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And then the other sister had gone back to the country.
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But it just, it's just reminding me just about being obedient.
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And I don't mean every single thought that comes into your head is necessarily God.
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Right.
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It could just be, you know, your imagination.
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It could be anything.
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You could eat something funny one day and something pops into your head.
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But I turned around and I thought, well, there's an opportunity.
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So yeah, because I asked for opportunities, you know, I pray for opportunities to share the gospel.
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And it's.
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It is scary sometimes because you don't know what to say, especially, you know,
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they're like myself, when am I going to say to these two women that I don't even know,
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but I'm very glad I did because you don't know one day.
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You never know, you never know.
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And if we, we know the word of God, we know most everybody that's truly saved and born again,
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knows at least the basics of the gospel.
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And I mean, I'm looking, I'm pointing a finger back at me and saying, wow, help me pray for more opportunities.
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Because I think that's a prayer that God answers every time.
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And sometimes, you know, sooner than what we think to bring someone along our path.
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And may Lord, and just just ask the Lord for all of us watching and listening right now in Pamela and myself,
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that we would be sensitive to the Holy Spirit when he sends people our way.
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Please, Lord, we don't have a whole lot of time left.
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We don't know how much time we have left.
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So please.
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Other, yeah, other chapters with the Walgreens parking lot, rich and poor stubborn people,
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long haired Larry, a Mormon belief system.
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So I'm guessing you talked with a Mormon, right?
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Is that, is that true?
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Number chapter 23.
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Yeah, our neighbors across the road, they are not Mormon, but all of their relatives are.
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And I did not know this.
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And I went to, they have big holiday parties.
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So I went over there.
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And I don't even know how the subject came up.
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But something came up about, bring them, bring them young university.
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And I knew right away that that was Latter-day Saints.
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And I thought to myself, I just think everybody hears Mormon.
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And turns out it was because my mom says, yeah, they're all women.
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And I said, I didn't know this.
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So I ended up in a conversation with Max.
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And Max was curious.
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He and his wife, teachers.
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And he was curious about knowing more.
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And he did visit my church.
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But unfortunately, he visited during the daytime on a weekday, which is kind of unusual.
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Obviously, there was no church service going on.
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But the fact that he even stopped there and walked through it made you realize,
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well, he has some sort of, you know, thoughts going on in his head.
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And so Max and I would talk about the gospel.
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And we still talk occasionally, but I haven't seen Max in a while.
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So a lot of the stories that are in my book.
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Sometimes there's endings and sometimes there's not.
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You know, sometimes you don't know what happens after.
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And then sometimes you do.
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For instance, like, you know, you talk about long-haired Larry.
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I met him in.
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He was a homeless man.
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And I met him in Buffalo.
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Most of the people that lived in the Williamsville Buffalo area.
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I know not most of the people, but some of the people knew of Larry.
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He had hair all the way down to his feet.
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And yeah, it was really long.
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And he lived in the woods off the 290 expressway for years, like 20 some years.
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Very like his skin was real rough and hard.
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And, you know, I talked to him.
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I would talk to him because I didn't know if he was a Vietnam bat or something psychological going on.
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I shared the gospel with him multiple times.
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And he was found in a snowdrift frozen to death.
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And this is a few years ago.
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And the community was very upset because this is Buffalo.
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I mean, people are going to freeze.
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And I always wondered if one day that would be nice.
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And it was.
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So.
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So Pam, I'm guessing I don't have to guess.
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You probably have gospel tracks with you when you're out.
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Where do you get yours?
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Can you say really briefly?
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We're almost out of time.
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Livingwaters.com.
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Okay.
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Livingwaters.
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It's a perfect number in Ray Comfort's website.
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Yeah.
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Livingwater.
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Great ministry for gospel tracks.
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I love their.
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God.
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Yeah.
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And they have outstanding resources on there too.
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So Pam, one more question.
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Last one I promise.
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People can go to your website, Pamela Walk, W-A-L-C-K.
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Okay, friends.
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If God puts it on your heart to buy her book, then buy a couple of them and give them a way as a gift.
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So, there are three stories of true love and action sharing the gospel.
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That will inspire you.
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And that's bridge of love by Pamela Walk.
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So sister, always great to catch up with you.
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Yeah.
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You've been a blessing and really encouraging to me.
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Thank you.
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God bless and enlarge your territory.
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We'll talk to you soon.
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Thanks.
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Bye.
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You're welcome.
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Guys, what do we have coming up?
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Another busy week.
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We've got more podcasts on the way.
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Well, I'm thankful for the guests I get to speak with.
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I always encouraged after every show without fail.
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So thank you for sharing the show.
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God bless you.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.