Latest / Aired Out / Brian McKeon - Sweethearts& Heroes
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- 0:30Speaker 1: All right, good morning, brand new day right in front
- 1:53Speaker 1: of us, and you can choose to spend it any
- 1:57Speaker 1: way you want.
- 1:59Speaker 2: You have power. You have the choice to well, be positive,
- 2:04Speaker 2: be open minded, to push through you to day with
- 2:07Speaker 2: a with a great attitude, or let others take the wheel.
- 2:12Speaker 2: I say, be yourself and have some fun, enjoy the weather,
- 2:20Speaker 2: get outside, get a breath of fresh air, and speak
- 2:23Speaker 2: the truth, regardless of let's say others. I want to
- 2:28Speaker 2: start out this morning by saying, good morning, Deb Phillips.
- 2:31Speaker 2: How the heck are you over at the world?
- 2:33Speaker 3: Good morning jd Well. The papers are here, so all
- 2:37Speaker 3: things are good.
- 2:38Speaker 2: We're ready to go.
- 2:39Speaker 4: It is a ready to go.
- 2:40Speaker 2: It's a Wednesday. The papers are going to be moving throughout,
- 2:45Speaker 2: not just central from up but everywhere. Deb.
- 2:48Speaker 3: Yeah, off Washington County and arts of Orange County.
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- 3:04Speaker 2: good care of you. What's deadline for that? Anyway?
- 3:06Speaker 3: Deb, We have a little bit of an early deadline
- 3:10Speaker 3: this week because of the Thanksgiving holiday. So it's noon
- 3:15Speaker 3: on Thursday.
- 3:16Speaker 2: All right, noon on Thursday. What can we expect in
- 3:19Speaker 2: the world today, Deb.
- 3:22Speaker 3: Well, we have a tribute to the beau Bear shoe
- 3:26Speaker 3: repair family as the most people know that they have
- 3:32Speaker 3: been in Bury for about seventy six years and they
- 3:37Speaker 3: are their building is sold and they are closing. So
- 3:42Speaker 3: then there's also tonight the Very Partnership is having their
- 3:47Speaker 3: meeting and also a tribute to the Beaubert family. And
- 3:53Speaker 3: also we have our homeowner Service directory for all your
- 3:57Speaker 3: ball renovations. We have some money saving coupons you can
- 4:01Speaker 3: save on tire changes and oil changes. We have your
- 4:06Speaker 3: good health directory, and we also have holiday craft Bears.
- 4:11Speaker 3: And this is the first week of the Christmas Tree
- 4:14Speaker 3: directory for those people who love to get their Christmas
- 4:16Speaker 3: trees nice and.
- 4:17Speaker 2: Early, assuming that they like the real trees right, yes.
- 4:24Speaker 3: Real trees, yes, real trees.
- 4:27Speaker 2: Yes, real or fake for you, Deb.
- 4:32Speaker 3: Actually right now, I don't put up a tree anymore.
- 4:38Speaker 1: I don't have any kids.
- 4:39Speaker 2: I understand, I understand totally.
- 4:42Speaker 3: But it was always real before that.
- 4:46Speaker 2: Oh that's great, Deb, Thank you ever so much. We'll
- 4:49Speaker 2: grab our copy of the World today. It's going to
- 4:51Speaker 2: be on newsstands everywhere we're talking about what twenty thousand
- 4:55Speaker 2: plus readers everywhere.
- 4:58Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, about twenty two thousand readers per week.
- 5:01Speaker 2: Incredible, deb We look forward to it so much. It
- 5:04Speaker 2: is a Wednesday. I love celebrating with the world, and
- 5:07Speaker 2: we thank you so much for hopping on this morning
- 5:09Speaker 2: and sponsoring the podcast.
- 5:11Speaker 4: All right, thanks Jad, thank you.
- 5:13Speaker 2: Dep don't forget also being that it is Wednesday. Wellness
- 5:18Speaker 2: Wednesday at the well Space Building right here in Bury
- 5:21Speaker 2: at twenty three Summer Street started a couple of years
- 5:24Speaker 2: ago and has just exploded in popularity. The next one
- 5:29Speaker 2: is today four thirty. It's an absolutely free service for
- 5:35Speaker 2: our community from Washington County Mental Health. You get to relax,
- 5:38Speaker 2: You get to treat yourself to a little bit of
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- 6:12Speaker 2: What else is going on? Tonight Chris Powers at the
- 6:14Speaker 2: Shaker Village at five point thirty saw that last night
- 6:19Speaker 2: on the on the Facebook, and of course it is
- 6:23Speaker 2: set up day today for stuff a truck in their
- 6:26Speaker 2: twenty fourth year but Price Chopper. I'll be up there
- 6:31Speaker 2: at some point today and over the next couple of days,
- 6:35Speaker 2: and I look forward to it very very much. Head
- 6:39Speaker 2: and headfirst into my old stomping grounds. Man. I have
- 6:44Speaker 2: Brian McKeon with me this morning.
- 6:47Speaker 4: This is.
- 6:49Speaker 2: This is what now the third or fourth time I
- 6:51Speaker 2: think that you've been with me.
- 6:52Speaker 4: Boy, it's starting to lose count here.
- 6:54Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Yeah, dude, it's great to see you, brother.
- 6:57Speaker 2: How the heck are you?
- 6:58Speaker 4: Great to see you? JDM doing very well. How are you, man?
- 7:01Speaker 2: I'm doing great. We have a lot to talk about.
- 7:04Speaker 2: Let's let's dive right in head first, all right, Epstein Files,
- 7:07Speaker 2: what do you say?
- 7:10Speaker 4: I don't keep up with the news too well, dude.
- 7:14Speaker 2: I just had to listen. I just had to throw
- 7:18Speaker 2: that after this morning to make sure that Tom Murphy,
- 7:21Speaker 2: if he's watching this morning, that we made the hair
- 7:25Speaker 2: stand up on his back. Yeah.
- 7:28Speaker 4: Sure, you gotta kick out of that one. If he's
- 7:30Speaker 4: listening right now.
- 7:32Speaker 2: By the way, we have to say happy birthday to
- 7:34Speaker 2: Tom Murphy.
- 7:34Speaker 4: Yeah, happy your birthday.
- 7:36Speaker 2: There, I'm going with sixty. I'm gonna go like early sixties, sixty,
- 7:44Speaker 2: sixty two, sixty three for Tom. What do you what say?
- 7:49Speaker 4: You? Well, he tells me, he tells me he's aging backwards.
- 7:53Speaker 4: He's getting younger, so it's probably going in the Even
- 7:55Speaker 4: if he is in the sixties, he's probably going down.
- 7:57Speaker 4: He's probably going back to.
- 7:58Speaker 2: His you know, I just I just chatted with him
- 8:01Speaker 2: and he admitted to me that he uses muscle implants.
- 8:09Speaker 4: Oh really, yeah, wow, Well that makes a lot of sense.
- 8:12Speaker 4: You know, it's like you don't really see him without
- 8:14Speaker 4: you know, his free hug shirts.
- 8:16Speaker 2: Every always a T shirt, always the T shirt to
- 8:19Speaker 2: show him off those in its spent a lot of
- 8:22Speaker 2: money on those implants. We also have Erica Esteville today, Uh,
- 8:28Speaker 2: Marcy Hawkins, Tila Utton, Tabitha Lord, Diane Williams, Josh Smart,
- 8:36Speaker 2: Kevin Neil, Michael Coda, Gloria Brooks on the birthday list today,
- 8:41Speaker 2: Nicholas Peak, and Todd Mansfield. So where do we begin? Man? Uh?
- 8:48Speaker 2: This is like, you know, I just had Rick on
- 8:51Speaker 2: last Wednesday, which is always incredible. Rick Yarrish Uh he
- 8:56Speaker 2: read his book Bridge Name as Yeah, it was really amazing.
- 9:04Speaker 4: I helped a little bit of that project, putting the
- 9:06Speaker 4: you know, the pictures and stuff to get like the artists.
- 9:11Speaker 4: Kevin Cannon just did an amazing job I did, yeah, dude.
- 9:16Speaker 4: And and that was actually one of my favorite projects
- 9:18Speaker 4: to work on. Uh. Just seeing that thing come together
- 9:21Speaker 4: and getting it out to everybody, it's just been awesome.
- 9:24Speaker 2: And now he's you know, he's given people free free downloads.
- 9:29Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we got the free downloads going
- 9:31Speaker 4: right now. Get on Facebook, get your free download. You
- 9:34Speaker 4: get to watch the audio version as well, read by Rick. Yeah,
- 9:37Speaker 4: so yeah, get on that.
- 9:39Speaker 2: He is he is so in All of you guys
- 9:43Speaker 2: are so inspiring. Many of you just look at what
- 9:52Speaker 2: so many of us do in our our culture and
- 9:55Speaker 2: in our society, negative stuff, and you guys face it
- 10:00Speaker 2: head on and you're like, yeah, aware of it. We're
- 10:04Speaker 2: going to talk about it real transparently, and it's it's
- 10:07Speaker 2: from just general negativity, bullying, what have you, depression, mental, mental, uh, wellness,
- 10:18Speaker 2: you guys really take it on man. Everything. Yeah.
- 10:21Speaker 4: Well, we and we like to you know, we we
- 10:23Speaker 4: do deal with all that stuff, and but we like
- 10:26Speaker 4: to come from it from a strength based approach. You know.
- 10:30Speaker 4: It's like those things are are there, they're real, we
- 10:33Speaker 4: have to be aware of them, we have to work
- 10:35Speaker 4: on them. But how do we do that?
- 10:37Speaker 2: You know?
- 10:37Speaker 4: And and you can live in the deficit and you
- 10:40Speaker 4: can say, you know, you can point at the problems
- 10:41Speaker 4: all the time and h stuff, but you know, how
- 10:46Speaker 4: do we start fixing these things? Yeah, and that's where
- 10:49Speaker 4: we that's where we come in. We we focus on
- 10:51Speaker 4: taking the strength of your community and trying to help
- 10:55Speaker 4: everyone leverage those by just building community, understand each other, right,
- 11:01Speaker 4: and you know, it's the it's the challenging stuff that
- 11:05Speaker 4: you go through that becomes your strength for other people.
- 11:08Speaker 2: Yeah, I went back and rewatched one of the last
- 11:12Speaker 2: podcasts that or the last podcast that you and I
- 11:17Speaker 2: did together, and one of the conclusions that I got
- 11:22Speaker 2: from it, one of the things that I was thinking
- 11:24Speaker 2: when I was listening to it is what you're talking
- 11:27Speaker 2: about right now, I think begins by yourself. It begins
- 11:34Speaker 2: with you being alone with yourself, whether it's you know,
- 11:42Speaker 2: you're you're in the car for a couple of hours
- 11:45Speaker 2: or whatever. We all love to be listening to whatever
- 11:50Speaker 2: we want to listen to, whether it's satellite radio, or
- 11:54Speaker 2: whether it's music, or or whether you know, we're on
- 11:57Speaker 2: the phone. We're constantly chatting with people and engaging. But
- 12:02Speaker 2: to disengage from all of that and just be alone
- 12:06Speaker 2: and quiet, shut shut everything off for a little while. Yeah,
- 12:12Speaker 2: just be curious where your mind tends to wander.
- 12:17Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean, you are your true self when
- 12:20Speaker 4: you're alone, Like, you know who you really are when
- 12:22Speaker 4: you're alone. And you know what, I think you have
- 12:24Speaker 4: a really good point there. It's like we are constantly
- 12:28Speaker 4: sucked into all of these things. Yeah, it's like this
- 12:31Speaker 4: constant noise and we don't take that time to sit
- 12:36Speaker 4: down be alone with ourselves. And sure you know, and
- 12:39Speaker 4: it's it's hard, dude, Yeah, Like I mean I had
- 12:42Speaker 4: struggle with it, Like I try to, you know, you know,
- 12:45Speaker 4: you just get on the couch at night and watch
- 12:47Speaker 4: your TV. It's like, sure, should should you? Maybe you know,
- 12:50Speaker 4: take an hour and just sit.
- 12:52Speaker 2: Can you imagine it? Think if so many of us
- 12:54Speaker 2: get bored with it? I mean, you know, honestly, part
- 12:58Speaker 2: of what happened was I was listening to our podcast
- 13:03Speaker 2: and while I was driving and lost signal and frustrated
- 13:09Speaker 2: me and couldn't get it back. So I'm like, all right,
- 13:16Speaker 2: it's gone, So what's my next option. I'll head over
- 13:20Speaker 2: to satellite radio or whatever. And I was quiet, but
- 13:25Speaker 2: something that I can't remember what it was, but it
- 13:27Speaker 2: was something that you said on the air, and it
- 13:32Speaker 2: cut out right right then, and that's when I lost
- 13:35Speaker 2: the signal and it like kind of hung out and
- 13:38Speaker 2: resonated a little bit with me. Couldn't get the couldn't
- 13:41Speaker 2: get the signal back. So then I just started thinking,
- 13:46Speaker 2: and I had that silence, which is really a gift, man,
- 13:50Speaker 2: It's a gift.
- 13:51Speaker 4: It really is, dude. Like, you know, I just really
- 13:54Speaker 4: think that a lot of the things that you know,
- 13:57Speaker 4: we do and consume today, I just this just is
- 14:02Speaker 4: all very new to like the human species. Yeah, you know,
- 14:05Speaker 4: like we just too much. Yeah, it's just like, you know,
- 14:08Speaker 4: we whether you know whatever, you believe. It's like, yeah,
- 14:14Speaker 4: just a hundred years ago, it was entirely different, right Like,
- 14:19Speaker 4: and I don't think our brains have been able to
- 14:22Speaker 4: understand what we've been going through with ourselves. Yeah, and yeah,
- 14:28Speaker 4: I think you need those quiet moments to probably evaluate
- 14:31Speaker 4: where you are.
- 14:32Speaker 2: You know, we got a billion and one neurons that
- 14:35Speaker 2: are all fireing and wire in our brains, but to
- 14:38Speaker 2: disconnect some of them and have some quiet, some silence
- 14:42Speaker 2: for a little while. If we can begin with that,
- 14:46Speaker 2: I think that'll kind of maybe help set the stage
- 14:49Speaker 2: for not only having a different perspective throughout the day,
- 14:54Speaker 2: but maybe reflecting on yourself and how you the difference
- 14:59Speaker 2: between responding and reacting to not only your husband, your wife,
- 15:06Speaker 2: your boyfriend, girlfriend, your kid, but also how you respond
- 15:11Speaker 2: and react on social media.
- 15:14Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, social media is god big one. You know.
- 15:17Speaker 4: Like I think we were talking earlier, like there's a
- 15:19Speaker 4: statistic I'm not sure what it is, but it's like
- 15:21Speaker 4: eighty ninety percent something. People will say and do things
- 15:25Speaker 4: online that they would never ever do in person. And
- 15:28Speaker 4: what does that do to your say things neurological structure
- 15:31Speaker 4: in the real world, you know, I know, so I
- 15:34Speaker 4: totally agree, And you know what, you know, I don't
- 15:36Speaker 4: go to the I don't I'm not a presenter or
- 15:40Speaker 4: a speaker or anything. But next week when you get
- 15:43Speaker 4: your guest on, you should definitely see how check in
- 15:47Speaker 4: on how this whole cell phone thing is going in schools,
- 15:50Speaker 4: because I'm very interested to hear about that.
- 15:52Speaker 2: Please do tell about the next guest.
- 15:54Speaker 4: Yeah, Patcha, Oh my gosh, he's a beast. Bro.
- 15:58Speaker 2: Have you seen him in his pink his pink suit?
- 16:01Speaker 2: Have you seen the pink suit?
- 16:03Speaker 4: I don't know if I've seen the pink suit.
- 16:05Speaker 2: God looks amazing.
- 16:07Speaker 4: Betty looks daff yeah. Yeah.
- 16:09Speaker 2: And he just got married, yes he did?
- 16:11Speaker 4: Yeah?
- 16:11Speaker 2: Yeah? So how how can you can you kind of
- 16:13Speaker 2: wet the whistle here? How are things going with the
- 16:16Speaker 2: no cell phone.
- 16:17Speaker 4: In I don't know. That's what I'm very curious. I
- 16:20Speaker 4: mean from what I've heard, and I you know, I
- 16:22Speaker 4: only hear it secondhand from Tom and uh, Pat or Joe.
- 16:28Speaker 4: I don't really know, to be honest with you, that's
- 16:30Speaker 4: I'm curious to hear. I haven't really had those conversations
- 16:33Speaker 4: too much this year with them, but I'd be very
- 16:36Speaker 4: fascinated to hear how kids are are are dealing with
- 16:39Speaker 4: how the teachers doing. I think it's been a big
- 16:41Speaker 4: uh you know, it's it's definitely not been easy. I
- 16:45Speaker 4: don't think for I think a lot of educators too,
- 16:48Speaker 4: in particular, because you know, there's there's this challenge where
- 16:53Speaker 4: it's like, you know, you've adapted to a certain way
- 16:55Speaker 4: of living and then you know you're you're an independent adult,
- 16:58Speaker 4: but then you have to go to school and these
- 17:01Speaker 4: kids are not allowed to have their electronics. Sure, and
- 17:06Speaker 4: as an adult, like the hardest thing man, and I'm
- 17:10Speaker 4: sure you know I'm not a parent, but behavior modeling,
- 17:14Speaker 4: like kids are gonna do what you're doing. And so
- 17:19Speaker 4: that that's just been a I think of challenging conversation
- 17:21Speaker 4: this year, but it's one we need to have.
- 17:24Speaker 2: If there's a family out there that that has a
- 17:28Speaker 2: kid who's eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen who's not
- 17:36Speaker 2: wanting to be on a tablet or a cell phone,
- 17:41Speaker 2: whether it's just to pass the time or stay engaged,
- 17:49Speaker 2: I'd love to know who they are.
- 17:51Speaker 4: I know, well, the crazy tough man. It is very tough,
- 17:55Speaker 4: but you know what the crazy thing is. Last not
- 17:59Speaker 4: this Pasttember, but September of twenty four, when we did
- 18:02Speaker 4: our summing event yes up at Killington Up in Killington,
- 18:06Speaker 4: one of the biggest takeaways was that the kids were
- 18:11Speaker 4: like it was like a bit of a freedom for them,
- 18:14Speaker 4: like to just get unplugged and to be around people
- 18:17Speaker 4: without having that interference. They loved it. They absolutely love it.
- 18:22Speaker 2: Tom was saying that that a lot of those high
- 18:25Speaker 2: school kids were thinking, you gosh.
- 18:27Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I think there's a craving I really do that.
- 18:30Speaker 4: And and Tom has said for years now, for the
- 18:33Speaker 4: last couple of years, he's like heard more answers in circle,
- 18:36Speaker 4: Like one of his favorite questions is where would you
- 18:40Speaker 4: go if you had a time machine? And he said
- 18:42Speaker 4: he can't count the number in the past couple of
- 18:44Speaker 4: years of kids would be like, I would like to
- 18:46Speaker 4: go back to a time when there wasn't technology. Wow,
- 18:48Speaker 4: to see what that was like. You know, it's like
- 18:52Speaker 4: the last of the generations that even grew up with
- 18:54Speaker 4: that are coming to an end. Like, isn't it chy?
- 18:58Speaker 2: What are you saying? Are you saying I'm getting old?
- 19:00Speaker 4: We're all getting old? We're all getting old?
- 19:03Speaker 2: My god, I remember, you know, my dad got the
- 19:07Speaker 2: first cell phone that came out. Couldn't couldn't wait. He
- 19:11Speaker 2: was so excited about I still have it. I should
- 19:13Speaker 2: really something, I should bring that in. I should bring
- 19:16Speaker 2: that in for for Pat.
- 19:18Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dude, bring that in and have that conversation
- 19:20Speaker 4: because I'd love to hear what he has to say about.
- 19:22Speaker 2: How have you ever seen one of those honkers that
- 19:24Speaker 2: are like thirty tons, like like an old flip food
- 19:27Speaker 2: or something. No, no, it's this big you're talking about,
- 19:33Speaker 2: like a like the first cell phone that ever came out.
- 19:36Speaker 4: Really really this man, I haven't had that one.
- 19:38Speaker 2: And that's just the phone. The antenna comes off of
- 19:41Speaker 2: it this hot Yes.
- 19:43Speaker 4: Dude, that's crazy.
- 19:44Speaker 2: Radio Shock nineteen eighty He can't guess here, I'm gonna
- 19:51Speaker 2: say eighty eighty three, eighty three, eighty four, twelve hundred.
- 19:56Speaker 4: Bucks, twelve hundred bucks.
- 19:58Speaker 2: Yeah and wo. And there was one tower where we lived. Wow, man,
- 20:04Speaker 2: if you were lucky enough to get a bar, you
- 20:10Speaker 2: had to pull over. Well, I mean there was snow. Yeah,
- 20:14Speaker 2: you just stop and you're like, yeah, you had to stop.
- 20:18Speaker 2: And and you had the luxury of actually connecting and
- 20:22Speaker 2: making a phone call from somewhere other than home wirelessly.
- 20:27Speaker 2: That was the luxury.
- 20:29Speaker 4: That's crazy.
- 20:29Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no driving down the road continuing on
- 20:33Speaker 2: a phone call.
- 20:34Speaker 4: I really resonated that though, because me and Tom, you know,
- 20:37Speaker 4: we're always on the phone, Like he probably talks to
- 20:39Speaker 4: me three, four or five times a day at least
- 20:42Speaker 4: on the phone, and a lot of the times he's
- 20:44Speaker 4: driving and it's going in and out and like, oh Tom,
- 20:46Speaker 4: you didn't hear you get to repeat yourself?
- 20:48Speaker 2: Yeah, so you ever hung up on you before?
- 20:51Speaker 4: Well, like his a little trick thing. Oh yeah, a
- 20:54Speaker 4: couple of times.
- 20:55Speaker 2: Does that all the time? Does that to Rick too? Yeah?
- 20:57Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. One time I was a we're him
- 21:00Speaker 4: in a little leadership presentation he was doing, and he
- 21:04Speaker 4: like called Rick to ask him about something. I can't
- 21:08Speaker 4: remember what it was, and he did in front of
- 21:09Speaker 4: the kids, and yeah, they got all.
- 21:13Speaker 2: That's uh. Let's talk about some some of the big
- 21:18Speaker 2: staples that sweethearts and heroes hangs their hat on. Which
- 21:25Speaker 2: is hope, empathy, empowerment. Which one of those three is
- 21:33Speaker 2: one that is nearest and dearest to you that you
- 21:38Speaker 2: love to bring to the table Hope, empathy, and what
- 21:41Speaker 2: was the other empowerment?
- 21:42Speaker 4: Empowerment? Gosh, you know, well, I think you need. I
- 21:47Speaker 4: think hope is kind of essential, like to be honest
- 21:51Speaker 4: with you, It's like almost a foundational human need to
- 21:54Speaker 4: be honest just with the craziness that you know, not
- 21:58Speaker 4: just our modern world but life in general. It's like
- 22:01Speaker 4: there's a lot of challenging stuff, man, a lot of suffering.
- 22:03Speaker 4: Like so, I think hope is like a foundational thing,
- 22:08Speaker 4: but I think the empowerment part, the action part, is
- 22:11Speaker 4: the part that not only perhaps is the most important
- 22:16Speaker 4: because we can talk about all this stuff, we can
- 22:19Speaker 4: maybe even have internal hope for ourselves, but if you're
- 22:22Speaker 4: not acting upon anything, yeah, what good is it? So
- 22:27Speaker 4: I think action and empowering the students that we talk to,
- 22:31Speaker 4: the teachers that we talk to, everybody that we talk to,
- 22:33Speaker 4: empowering them to take that action, I think might be
- 22:38Speaker 4: the most vital piece because that's where that's where change
- 22:42Speaker 4: I think happens.
- 22:43Speaker 2: Don't just talk the talk, walk the walk.
- 22:45Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta walk the walk. And it's tough, man'.
- 22:47Speaker 4: That's why, you know, for every theoretical book, like I
- 22:51Speaker 4: don't know, there's like forever like ten twenty theoretical books,
- 22:54Speaker 4: is like one on practical.
- 22:56Speaker 2: Action, you know, And thirteen Pillows is a book that
- 23:01Speaker 2: you wrote, And I want you to tell us about
- 23:05Speaker 2: that because that kind of is a incredible tool, not
- 23:12Speaker 2: just for teachers, but for anybody that says I want
- 23:18Speaker 2: to take action, I want to empower myself or empower
- 23:22Speaker 2: others to take the right steps into making a positive
- 23:27Speaker 2: difference for others and myself. But I don't really know
- 23:31Speaker 2: how to get my hands dirty. And it starts start
- 23:37Speaker 2: with first gear and that book does it.
- 23:40Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the first pillow that yeah, Tom and I
- 23:44Speaker 4: recovered with the book, the first pillow is it's a marathon,
- 23:48Speaker 4: not a sprint. And that's just like it's like the
- 23:51Speaker 4: one that really stands out as that starting point because
- 23:55Speaker 4: you know, this stuff that we do, the stuff that
- 23:57Speaker 4: we talk about life in general, it's a marathon, man,
- 24:00Speaker 4: It's like you know, and it's counter to this modern
- 24:06Speaker 4: instant gratification. Yes, and we want that instant gratification. We
- 24:10Speaker 4: want those quick fixes, those quick solves, those quick dopamine hits.
- 24:13Speaker 4: But yeah, it real real change, real success really comes
- 24:20Speaker 4: with time, I think. And you know, the the all
- 24:23Speaker 4: the principles in there can be applied to anybody, not
- 24:27Speaker 4: just that it's called thirteen Pillars for Effective Teachers, but
- 24:30Speaker 4: we're actually thinking of doing a new addition where we
- 24:33Speaker 4: might uh update some stuff in there as well. We'll
- 24:36Speaker 4: see how when we get to that. But there are
- 24:39Speaker 4: principles and axioms that anybody can look to and implement.
- 24:45Speaker 2: Last night when my head hit the pillow, one of
- 24:53Speaker 2: the things that I was thinking about was something something
- 25:02Speaker 2: that presented itself to me during the day yesterday, and
- 25:13Speaker 2: I had to make a quick decision. And after I
- 25:20Speaker 2: made that decision, I realized that it wasn't the best decision,
- 25:35Speaker 2: and I had to let that. I had to allow
- 25:39Speaker 2: a little bit of time to process this and let
- 25:43Speaker 2: it kind of fester a little bit. And then I
- 25:47Speaker 2: realized that as uncomfortable as it was going to be,
- 25:55Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to reverse that decision and to
- 26:04Speaker 2: do it without anyone other than myself knowing about it.
- 26:14Speaker 2: And it was a really, uh kind of an uncomfortable
- 26:22Speaker 2: situation for me, but I did it, and it was
- 26:28Speaker 2: one of the last things that was running through my
- 26:30Speaker 2: head when I before I went to bed last night,
- 26:32Speaker 2: as I said to myself, I'm glad that you went
- 26:38Speaker 2: back and did that. And no one on the planet knows.
- 26:47Speaker 2: That's so, what's the significance with the pillow? Because a
- 26:51Speaker 2: lot of us hear, you know, thirteen pillars, Yes, so
- 26:56Speaker 2: what's the pillow? It's what I'm talking about.
- 26:58Speaker 4: It's exactly what you're talking about. Is that it's that
- 27:00Speaker 4: pillow test at night where you lay down and you
- 27:03Speaker 4: ask yourself, I I'm glad I did or I wish
- 27:06Speaker 4: I had. It sounds like you had a great I'm
- 27:09Speaker 4: glad I did moment yesterday and that sounds awesome, and
- 27:13Speaker 4: you know, it is fascinating. It's like nobody else in
- 27:16Speaker 4: the world is gonna know about it, perhaps, but you
- 27:19Speaker 4: know that's something you're gonna carry with carry with you,
- 27:22Speaker 4: and yeah, that's that's probably a whole discussion on what
- 27:27Speaker 4: what that's like, because you know, a lot of times
- 27:28Speaker 4: we talk about the things that we're gonna do or
- 27:31Speaker 4: the things that we did, and you know, it almost
- 27:34Speaker 4: kind of like tricks our brain into sure, you know,
- 27:37Speaker 4: thinking where we've already done something or that were you
- 27:41Speaker 4: know a little bit more. I don't know, but yeah,
- 27:45Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 27:46Speaker 2: I think either way, if you can say to yourself,
- 27:52Speaker 2: I wish I had or I'm glad I did. I
- 27:56Speaker 2: think either way, if you can, if you can honestly
- 28:01Speaker 2: ask and then honestly answer, and the answering.
- 28:05Speaker 4: Is that's the tricky part. That's the tricky part, being
- 28:08Speaker 4: honest with yourself.
- 28:10Speaker 2: Hell yeah, it's tough. If you can do both of
- 28:13Speaker 2: those just to yourself, you don't have to talk, you
- 28:17Speaker 2: don't have to say this stuff to your wife or anyone.
- 28:20Speaker 2: But if you can ask both of those questions and
- 28:22Speaker 2: answer both of them, you're instilling personal growth.
- 28:29Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean just the the fact
- 28:31Speaker 4: that you even do it is yeah, is the is
- 28:34Speaker 4: the act that I think, you know, you do. The
- 28:37Speaker 4: more you do something, it just becomes habit, right, and
- 28:40Speaker 4: nobody's perfect, you know, it's like it's so having those
- 28:44Speaker 4: I wish I had, you know, is just as vital
- 28:47Speaker 4: as I'm glad I did. Yeah, because yeah, like you said,
- 28:51Speaker 4: it's growth and life is all about growth, I think.
- 28:54Speaker 4: And yeah, the minute you stop growing, I feel like,
- 28:56Speaker 4: is the minute you start dying.
- 28:58Speaker 2: Sure yeah, sure, you know, and if you really wow
- 29:02Speaker 2: that well said man, well said, and you know, if
- 29:05Speaker 2: you really want to take it a step further, jot
- 29:09Speaker 2: these things down.
- 29:10Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, it Dan probably makes it even more powerful.
- 29:14Speaker 2: Put put it in, put it in your phone, and
- 29:18Speaker 2: you know, just go back and look at something from
- 29:21Speaker 2: a month or two earlier. Yeah like oh yeah, wow,
- 29:24Speaker 2: yeah wow, I am I am glad I did that.
- 29:27Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, you look back at that and you see
- 29:28Speaker 4: the growth trajectory that. Yeah, it's encouraging.
- 29:32Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, this book thirteen Pillows free download.
- 29:36Speaker 4: Free download. Yet there's a I think it's out there.
- 29:39Speaker 4: I don't know if we made a post about it lately, but.
- 29:41Speaker 2: All right, get on Facebook.
- 29:44Speaker 4: We'll be coming out with some holiday things like that
- 29:46Speaker 4: this this December.
- 29:48Speaker 2: Wow, what an incredible gift idea that would be thirteen
- 29:52Speaker 2: pillows for effective teachers. But let's not please limit it
- 29:58Speaker 2: just to teach, no man, I mean this book is yes,
- 30:04Speaker 2: no brainer. All teachers, no matter what planet you're on,
- 30:09Speaker 2: should read this book.
- 30:11Speaker 4: And that's what we wrote it for originally. But yeah,
- 30:13Speaker 4: like students started reading it and loving it, and then
- 30:16Speaker 4: we're like, wow, these actually really just apply to everybody.
- 30:19Speaker 2: Yeah, what what is the what is the book about you?
- 30:22Speaker 2: You wrote it?
- 30:23Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's about this. Well, so we had these
- 30:26Speaker 4: thirteen pillars, these thirteen principles that we had, uh that
- 30:29Speaker 4: Tom had kind of developed over the years, and we
- 30:33Speaker 4: were originally going to tell some more stories that actually occurred. Yeah,
- 30:39Speaker 4: but we just decided, like you know, people love love
- 30:43Speaker 4: a narrative, love a story, and rather than all these
- 30:46Speaker 4: disconnected you know, little stories throughout the book. We decided
- 30:52Speaker 4: to create one long fictional narrative, and every page in
- 30:55Speaker 4: that book, Tom can point to and be like, this
- 30:57Speaker 4: is where this happened, This is where that happened. They're
- 30:59Speaker 4: all based off true stories, true people. It's just we
- 31:03Speaker 4: we just created this different narrative about this uh, fizzed
- 31:07Speaker 4: teacher who just lost. The book opens with a fizzed
- 31:10Speaker 4: teacher just lost his uh one of his athletes to
- 31:13Speaker 4: their own hands, and he's just you know, he's a
- 31:16Speaker 4: young educator and he's just not feeling equipped to deal
- 31:19Speaker 4: with this kind of stuff, and so he's gonna he's
- 31:21Speaker 4: gonna quit. But then outsteps out of the.
- 31:24Speaker 2: How much of that is true? How much of that story?
- 31:28Speaker 4: Oh well, the the the Bruce, his name is Bruce
- 31:31Speaker 4: in the book. That's the fictional uh part. But the
- 31:37Speaker 4: person it's based off of his uh uh, this kid
- 31:41Speaker 4: named I think Evan Yarder was the the young man
- 31:44Speaker 4: who took his own life. And you know, Evan was
- 31:47Speaker 4: just one of those invisible kids. This time will tell
- 31:49Speaker 4: you that, like, you know, you wouldn't know he was
- 31:51Speaker 4: in the room until he was gone, and uh yeah,
- 31:54Speaker 4: and it was just very sad, very tragic thing. But
- 31:59Speaker 4: you know, from those from those challenges, you know, that's
- 32:04Speaker 4: that's where this custodian steps out and you know, helps
- 32:08Speaker 4: Bruce understand that, you know, not only you know, do
- 32:13Speaker 4: we have to keep keep hope going, but you know
- 32:17Speaker 4: other people are dealing with similar challenges. You know, everybody's
- 32:21Speaker 4: you never know you know who's dealing with what, and
- 32:23Speaker 4: so you can't give up. You have to have that hope.
- 32:27Speaker 4: And and that's what this custodian brings to Bruce and
- 32:32Speaker 4: these thirteen lessons that he helps them connect with the
- 32:34Speaker 4: students and connect with other teachers in school and just
- 32:40Speaker 4: starts that change.
- 32:42Speaker 2: You know. And it's a custodian.
- 32:44Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the custodian that steps out of the shadows here.
- 32:46Speaker 4: He's an old retired educator from the inner city wherever
- 32:51Speaker 4: that is, and he's just he's just lost his wife
- 32:54Speaker 4: to cancer and he's just kind of old, but he
- 32:56Speaker 4: wants to get back into just helping people in the custodian.
- 32:59Speaker 4: You know, it's like my grandfather used to say, you know,
- 33:03Speaker 4: when he was he had a lot of different odd
- 33:05Speaker 4: jobs here and there, and he used to teach and
- 33:10Speaker 4: he would always go to the custodian to find out
- 33:12Speaker 4: anything about the school, because the custodians, you know, they're
- 33:15Speaker 4: the ones that know every goings on, you know. So
- 33:19Speaker 4: they're the ones that, like you said, you know, they
- 33:21Speaker 4: don't nobody knows what they're doing. They probably barely get
- 33:24Speaker 4: appreciated the way they should be appreciated, but they can
- 33:28Speaker 4: be the ones that can honestly give the most hope
- 33:30Speaker 4: and be there for people. So yeah, it's it's a
- 33:34Speaker 4: it's a really cool it's a really cool story, and uh,
- 33:37Speaker 4: you should definitely read it.
- 33:38Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I've I've I've got the the audio version,
- 33:43Speaker 2: which you know, like everyone else, I'll catch one, i'll
- 33:47Speaker 2: catch two, and I need to go back to it
- 33:50Speaker 2: and it gets lost in the shuffle, but it really shouldn't.
- 33:53Speaker 2: What I need to do is is and maybe I'll
- 33:55Speaker 2: do it through the Thanksgiving Yeah, listening to it? Yeah, yeah,
- 34:03Speaker 2: narrated by Frank Gerard.
- 34:06Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he did a great job. We found him
- 34:08Speaker 4: and yeah he did a fantastic job narrating and got
- 34:11Speaker 4: some great character voices and stuff.
- 34:13Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, what what's another what's another pillow in there?
- 34:21Speaker 2: Of the thirteen that I think one of they might
- 34:25Speaker 2: resonate the most.
- 34:27Speaker 4: You know, I think especially this, you know, as we're
- 34:31Speaker 4: getting into these holiday season, thing like Wilton Flowers, I
- 34:35Speaker 4: think is a big one. And you know, I've been
- 34:39Speaker 4: reading this other book, this other leadership book recently, and
- 34:43Speaker 4: it's talking about this when you have this what they
- 34:47Speaker 4: call this helpful sense. Yeah, it's almost like that instinctual.
- 34:53Speaker 4: It's like you see something, you see somebody out there, say,
- 34:56Speaker 4: and they dropped their groceries. You're automatic, internal human instinct
- 35:01Speaker 4: is to be like, oh, I should go and help
- 35:02Speaker 4: that person. But we often start to talk ourselves out
- 35:08Speaker 4: of it. The minute we had that instinct, you start
- 35:11Speaker 4: making excuses for you know, why I shouldn't go over there,
- 35:14Speaker 4: like it's not my business stuff.
- 35:15Speaker 2: Some of this is literally at lightning speech. Oh yeah,
- 35:19Speaker 2: it happens like that.
- 35:21Speaker 4: And I think Wilting Flowers is one of those ones
- 35:24Speaker 4: where people know there's something going on with somebody and
- 35:29Speaker 4: they choose not to do anything about it. And I
- 35:32Speaker 4: think that's perhaps one of the most dangerous things. Man
- 35:34Speaker 4: Albert Einstein said, this world is in a dangerous place
- 35:37Speaker 4: because of the bad people. It's the dangerous place because
- 35:40Speaker 4: of the people that are willing that don't do anything
- 35:42Speaker 4: about it. And wilting flowers is about you know, if
- 35:49Speaker 4: you know a lot of times the wilt isn't on
- 35:51Speaker 4: the exterior, it's a lot of times on the interior
- 35:54Speaker 4: and stead whoa, but you know it's not it's about
- 35:57Speaker 4: not walking by those wilting flowers. Man, you gotta got
- 36:00Speaker 4: to check in, you gotta you see something that's off.
- 36:02Speaker 4: You notice certain baseline behaviors changing, Like somebody's sitting by
- 36:07Speaker 4: themselves where they're usually a very social somebody's giving away
- 36:10Speaker 4: and you know, we've been working with a lot of
- 36:12Speaker 4: linemen lately in one of like telltale signs, like they
- 36:15Speaker 4: start eating by themselves, they start giving away their tools,
- 36:18Speaker 4: and you know, it's just something's going on. And if
- 36:22Speaker 4: you don't.
- 36:23Speaker 2: They can do it with a smile on their face too.
- 36:25Speaker 4: Oh they can, absolutely. They probably most often do it
- 36:28Speaker 4: with the smile. You know. It's like those people that
- 36:30Speaker 4: hide behind that smile are sometimes the ones in the
- 36:33Speaker 4: most paint and Robin Williams for instance. You know, so
- 36:37Speaker 4: walking by wilting flowers is perhaps the most one of
- 36:40Speaker 4: the most dangerous things you can do, because the more
- 36:44Speaker 4: you do that the more you walk by those wilting flowers,
- 36:47Speaker 4: it probably becomes easier to walk by those wilting flowers.
- 36:50Speaker 4: And so you have to when you have that helpful
- 36:54Speaker 4: sense to help other people, you got to act on
- 36:58Speaker 4: a man action. It's all about that act. If you
- 37:00Speaker 4: don't take it, you know what, what could happen if
- 37:04Speaker 4: you don't take it? Think about that one.
- 37:06Speaker 2: You. You and your your brother Josiah some of the
- 37:12Speaker 2: most inspirational guests I've I've ever had on the air
- 37:17Speaker 2: that I've ever interviewed. Your parents. Tell me about your
- 37:23Speaker 2: mom and dad, and you're you're answering for Josiah.
- 37:26Speaker 4: Also, yeah, yeah, so we grew up I think because
- 37:31Speaker 4: I think they did a great job. My parents. We
- 37:35Speaker 4: were amazing parents. Absolutely they gave us. For me, the
- 37:43Speaker 4: greatest gift they gave me was the ability to, uh,
- 37:48Speaker 4: you know, to be okay with thinking for myself and
- 37:53Speaker 4: not necessarily going with things just because that's like the
- 37:58Speaker 4: way you do it or whatever. Like. It just taught
- 38:00Speaker 4: me to really think for myself. And my mom has
- 38:05Speaker 4: been an early childhood education since college. She's a professor
- 38:10Speaker 4: online now for you know, pretty much as long as
- 38:13Speaker 4: almost I've been alive, it feels like, but she's just
- 38:17Speaker 4: has an amazing heart for people. She runs a homeschool
- 38:21Speaker 4: co op community. She teaches multiple colleges online. My dad
- 38:28Speaker 4: was also a teacher. He graduated with gosh, it was
- 38:34Speaker 4: something to do with biology. Microbiology, that was kind of
- 38:37Speaker 4: his main thing. But he's taught. He's like the smartest
- 38:41Speaker 4: person I know in terms of like he can teach
- 38:45Speaker 4: himself anything. Like the dude would used to teach classes
- 38:48Speaker 4: that the school would be like, we don't have a
- 38:51Speaker 4: teacher for this. Here, you go figure out how to
- 38:54Speaker 4: teach this thing. He taught himself. One of the craziest
- 38:57Speaker 4: ones was he went into he's not trained in medicine,
- 39:01Speaker 4: but he went into pharmacology and teaching pharmacology. But he
- 39:04Speaker 4: had to teach a class pharmacology too. So over the
- 39:07Speaker 4: summer he decides to teach himself pharmacology one. And he
- 39:11Speaker 4: knows all the science and like how the things work
- 39:13Speaker 4: in the body, but he doesn't know all the medical
- 39:15Speaker 4: terms and the names and like the different uh prescriptions
- 39:19Speaker 4: or whatever. Like. He teaches himself pharmacology one, and then
- 39:22Speaker 4: as he's teaching pharmacology too, he's teaching himself during the
- 39:25Speaker 4: semester freaking nuts. Man. I don't know, he's brilliant, but
- 39:30Speaker 4: both of them were just.
- 39:32Speaker 2: Nobody died, No, nobody died. Wow.
- 39:36Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's He's taught a lot of different weird classes,
- 39:40Speaker 4: Like he talked one I remember this one year he
- 39:43Speaker 4: taught like this. It's like some kind of like office ergonomics,
- 39:47Speaker 4: like designing your office like spaces in a certain way
- 39:52Speaker 4: to make it. I don't know, it's weird.
- 39:54Speaker 2: But how were they raising you and Josiah?
- 39:58Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I got there's Joe, and then I
- 40:00Speaker 4: got two other younger brothers as well, and uh so
- 40:04Speaker 4: we were uh yeah, we were all homeschooled. So that
- 40:07Speaker 4: that definitely set us on a different path, I think,
- 40:11Speaker 4: And you know, they we we were raised in a
- 40:14Speaker 4: religious household, and I think those things. There's a lot
- 40:18Speaker 4: of morals and foundational stuff there that I've just that
- 40:21Speaker 4: will never leave me, Like it's ingrained in my life
- 40:24Speaker 4: no matter where I go. But they were they were
- 40:28Speaker 4: always exceptional in terms of how they chose to parent us,
- 40:33Speaker 4: and they were always involved in our lives man like,
- 40:36Speaker 4: and that that's one of the things I appreciate the
- 40:39Speaker 4: most is they were always there for the sporting events.
- 40:41Speaker 4: They were always there for whatever it was. And and
- 40:44Speaker 4: my grandparents too. And I've always had a supportive family
- 40:47Speaker 4: and they've always accepted me for who I am, which
- 40:50Speaker 4: is probably the greatest gift that the amazed me.
- 40:52Speaker 2: I love to hear that. I love similar with with
- 40:56Speaker 2: my parents. But what did they say to you when
- 41:01Speaker 2: and I think I've asked you this in the past,
- 41:03Speaker 2: when you said, I actually, I don't think I'm gonna
- 41:11Speaker 2: keep going with paralegal studies. I think I'm gonna get
- 41:16Speaker 2: involved with this organization called Sweethearts and Heroes.
- 41:21Speaker 4: Yea, dude, I've made some I've made some interesting decisions
- 41:24Speaker 4: over my life, but every single one of them, they've
- 41:27Speaker 4: they've supported me, and that's just been been great. Like
- 41:30Speaker 4: the paralegal thing is fascinating. My dad also took classes
- 41:33Speaker 4: at the college he taught at UH, and yeah, he
- 41:37Speaker 4: took classes. He was a I didn't know what the
- 41:38Speaker 4: heck I wanted to do after high school, so I
- 41:41Speaker 4: actually went to general into a general studies UH degree
- 41:45Speaker 4: and then decided after that, I'm like, eh, I'm going
- 41:48Speaker 4: to take a year off and go bartend at a
- 41:50Speaker 4: restaurant and h and then my dad was taking paralegal classes.
- 41:54Speaker 4: He's like, oh, you like to read and write. There's
- 41:56Speaker 4: a lot of reading and writing here. You should do that. Yeah, okay,
- 41:59Speaker 4: so that's I did. And you know, college for me
- 42:02Speaker 4: was I I learned how to learn, Like I learned
- 42:06Speaker 4: how I learned, and uh, that was probably what I
- 42:09Speaker 4: most took away, Like I don't remember a single thing
- 42:12Speaker 4: about my classes, like what I the content. But dude,
- 42:16Speaker 4: I'm a voracious note taker. Like that's why I'm so
- 42:20Speaker 4: effective with what I do right now is because yeah,
- 42:22Speaker 4: I just I am a note taker, man, And uh
- 42:26Speaker 4: that's what I picked that skill up in college.
- 42:28Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, do you do you have any anxiety
- 42:34Speaker 2: if you don't have a piece of paper and a
- 42:37Speaker 2: pen close by?
- 42:38Speaker 4: Well, I my phone my go to. I don't do
- 42:42Speaker 4: too too much pen and paper much anymore, but.
- 42:45Speaker 2: I get papers surrounded.
- 42:47Speaker 4: Well, my my digital world is just as chaotic in
- 42:51Speaker 4: that notes I got necessarily. Oh yeah, yeah, then I'm
- 42:55Speaker 4: in trouble and I'm in trouble or maybe okay, because.
- 42:59Speaker 2: Drive my wife. Absolutely you should see my kitchen table.
- 43:03Speaker 2: But you know what I know where every single piece
- 43:06Speaker 2: of paper. Hey, yeah, that's what matters, mane. But but
- 43:12Speaker 2: you know, so here's here's mom and dad supporting you
- 43:18Speaker 2: no matter what it is, what path you want to
- 43:21Speaker 2: go down. But now you're you're you know, you're doing
- 43:27Speaker 2: a lot of the administrative stuff for Sweethearts and Heroes. Tom,
- 43:32Speaker 2: should have you more, Tom, if you're listening right now,
- 43:36Speaker 2: should have you more.
- 43:40Speaker 4: With people with the kids. Well that's that's my decision. Actually,
- 43:46Speaker 4: I love what I do. Man, Like, I'm just I'm
- 43:48Speaker 4: not a you know, it's not that you know, I
- 43:51Speaker 4: couldn't probably put myself in that kind of a role,
- 43:54Speaker 4: but I just I love to I like to think
- 43:59Speaker 4: about the these kind of things all day and I
- 44:02Speaker 4: just doing research writing things, and I like to I'm
- 44:06Speaker 4: a very uh I don't. I don't want to say
- 44:08Speaker 4: I'm O c D because I know there's like but
- 44:11Speaker 4: like I'm a little bit like of a specific way
- 44:15Speaker 4: type free. So I'm just really good at spreadsheets, emails
- 44:18Speaker 4: and so it's just my strengths.
- 44:20Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I understand, and Tom knows how to how
- 44:23Speaker 2: to tap into that, well.
- 44:24Speaker 4: It absolutely does.
- 44:25Speaker 2: How How did how did you get involved with Sweethearts
- 44:29Speaker 2: and Heroes? How did this? What was the fruition of.
- 44:32Speaker 4: This, well, Tom was a I was in my younger years.
- 44:35Speaker 4: I was kind of like an aspirational author, and so
- 44:39Speaker 4: he knew I like to write, and what he wanted
- 44:41Speaker 4: to do was he wanted to take this message and
- 44:43Speaker 4: he wanted to turn it into a stage play. And
- 44:47Speaker 4: I still got the original as terrible. I think it's
- 44:50Speaker 4: like my personal writing at that time was not at
- 44:53Speaker 4: the level it is now. Not that the content or
- 44:56Speaker 4: the story or whatever is terrible, but like my level
- 44:58Speaker 4: of writing I feel like is proved so much. But
- 45:02Speaker 4: that's kind of where it started. And then we got
- 45:04Speaker 4: into the Thirteen Pillows. That was kind of my first
- 45:07Speaker 4: big real project that came together with them, and then
- 45:11Speaker 4: it just kind of snowballed me. And like, to be
- 45:13Speaker 4: honest with you, I was like I was in college.
- 45:16Speaker 4: After I got out, I traveled in Ireland for a
- 45:19Speaker 4: little bit, came back and just worked some little jobs
- 45:24Speaker 4: like waiting tables, working outside, and then started doing this
- 45:29Speaker 4: kind of stuff like in addition to that kind of stuff,
- 45:34Speaker 4: and it just snowballed me. It's just like, hey can
- 45:35Speaker 4: you do this? Hey can you do that? Hey?
- 45:37Speaker 2: Can you?
- 45:37Speaker 4: And before I know it, like I'm basically helping him
- 45:40Speaker 4: run this thing. And now it's just like yeah, twenty
- 45:44Speaker 4: four to seven when I think about what I do,
- 45:47Speaker 4: and yeah, just it became it's like I feel like
- 45:52Speaker 4: we are in this new era of philosophy and psychology
- 45:58Speaker 4: and all this stuff like the ancient Greeks like trying
- 46:01Speaker 4: to go out and get these people to you know,
- 46:04Speaker 4: see this, this these new things in a different the
- 46:08Speaker 4: same things and like modern wording, modern like whatever.
- 46:14Speaker 2: So I love it, man, and a whole different conduit
- 46:17Speaker 2: to everything. Man, everything is connected now.
- 46:20Speaker 4: Yes, yes, very much so. And that's one of the
- 46:22Speaker 4: things I actually work a lot on is, Uh. We
- 46:25Speaker 4: just partnered with this group, this online platform, Thrively, which
- 46:29Speaker 4: is a great strength based learning platform. Uh, and we're
- 46:33Speaker 4: getting all of our content on there so we can
- 46:35Speaker 4: actually start getting this out to people. Like our stuff
- 46:37Speaker 4: isn't about online. Our stuff is entirely about in person stuff.
- 46:41Speaker 4: But how do you get this stuff out? Like we
- 46:44Speaker 4: just are limited in our you know, manpower. It's getting
- 46:48Speaker 4: this stuff out. So the vehicle of the online platform
- 46:52Speaker 4: is is where we're going with it. And I write
- 46:54Speaker 4: all the curriculum for it and everything. So yeah, I
- 46:58Speaker 4: just love it is that.
- 47:02Speaker 2: Can we can we see that? Can we can you.
- 47:05Speaker 4: Bring it up?
- 47:05Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 47:06Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
- 47:08Speaker 2: Like right now, not right now, but maybe I can.
- 47:11Speaker 4: Yeah, in the future I can certainly. Yeah. Send you
- 47:13Speaker 4: some stuff on like we got gosh, I think twelve
- 47:17Speaker 4: standalone courses right now, from our foundational Message for middle
- 47:24Speaker 4: and high school and elementary school to some what we
- 47:27Speaker 4: call our Daily Dose of Hope with Rick, which are
- 47:30Speaker 4: just some great lessons with quick lessons with Rick on
- 47:34Speaker 4: empathy awareness action. We got our Circle series. We got
- 47:40Speaker 4: a set of three master classes that kind of all
- 47:43Speaker 4: come together. We start with the you know how you
- 47:45Speaker 4: do circle, we call it our Weaver series. Then we
- 47:47Speaker 4: move into our Wonder of Circle, which reveals the science
- 47:51Speaker 4: behind it. And then I'm actually finishing up our what
- 47:54Speaker 4: we call our Wardrobe of Circle, where there's these foundational
- 47:59Speaker 4: pieces we call the swordshield and Armor of Circle, which
- 48:03Speaker 4: there's a lot to get into, but it's these, uh,
- 48:06Speaker 4: these things on generational awareness, on autonomy, basic psychological needs, autonomy,
- 48:13Speaker 4: competence relatedness. It's just I love writing this content, man,
- 48:18Speaker 4: and I just think it's so valuable. I I just
- 48:20Speaker 4: I hope it's really starts to spread uh, in the
- 48:24Speaker 4: digital realm to to education you stuff, because it's all
- 48:27Speaker 4: the stuff we've been teaching. Person, it's just like, how
- 48:30Speaker 4: do we get it to more people?
- 48:31Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you guys are are so engaged with
- 48:35Speaker 2: with kids, with with students, but your your this message
- 48:40Speaker 2: of hope of of just being a good person, being resilient,
- 48:45Speaker 2: but but being a good person is really working its
- 48:49Speaker 2: way beyond just the student and the and the the
- 48:52Speaker 2: kid and into the administration into the minds of adults,
- 48:57Speaker 2: which has gotta be a little trying to penetrate that
- 49:01Speaker 2: because man, adults are stubborn. Man, we're setting our ways.
- 49:05Speaker 2: We know, we know right.
- 49:09Speaker 4: Right, And it was fascinating because I was like when
- 49:12Speaker 4: we started in the summer doing these circles with Linemen,
- 49:16Speaker 4: I was curious, like how Tom is going to take
- 49:19Speaker 4: these circles that we do with students like which work
- 49:21Speaker 4: brilliantly every time.
- 49:24Speaker 2: Circle is the art of sitting in a circle and
- 49:28Speaker 2: communicating and community going going around the circle speaking yes
- 49:34Speaker 2: or not or not.
- 49:35Speaker 4: It's actually, you know, as just as much as it's
- 49:37Speaker 4: about the sharing, it's probably more about the listening. It's
- 49:40Speaker 4: about the listening, and that's that that's that space where
- 49:46Speaker 4: we take out the distractions. You know, one of our
- 49:48Speaker 4: primary rules, not rules, one of our primary guidelines or
- 49:53Speaker 4: needs is a private location, like where we're away from
- 49:57Speaker 4: the distractions and we're sitting and buy face to face
- 50:01Speaker 4: with each other and we're all on an equal plane.
- 50:04Speaker 4: It's a circle. Nobody's in charge of the circle. The
- 50:06Speaker 4: circle moderates itself it And.
- 50:12Speaker 2: No, it's very true. I mean it has it. There's
- 50:17Speaker 2: there's no uh necessary direction with it. I mean everyone
- 50:22Speaker 2: speaks everyone, not everyone, but most people speak most but
- 50:26Speaker 2: everyone has to listen.
- 50:28Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 50:28Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just and that's the tough part man. But
- 50:31Speaker 2: by the time we've gone around to the to the
- 50:35Speaker 2: beginning of that circle where it started, the topic or
- 50:39Speaker 2: the question that will be posed by by Tom or
- 50:44Speaker 2: or anyone who's who's leading the circle, uh, we might
- 50:47Speaker 2: be onto a whole different topic.
- 50:49Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's what I was gonna say. So I
- 50:50Speaker 4: was wondering how he's gonna do it with these linemen.
- 50:53Speaker 4: I'm like, did you do it any differently? Is it? No?
- 50:54Speaker 4: I did it just the way with kids, and it
- 50:58Speaker 4: works man. And he said, like the circle I think
- 51:00Speaker 4: he had Yesterday's like he can't. You know, we try
- 51:03Speaker 4: to come in with a bit of a structure with
- 51:05Speaker 4: our circle to kind of lead people down a unified direction.
- 51:10Speaker 4: But you have to listen to the circle, man, and
- 51:12Speaker 4: you have to pivot with the way people are answering
- 51:17Speaker 4: with what the circle where it wants to go. And
- 51:21Speaker 4: he came in with a plan yesterday and it completely derailed.
- 51:24Speaker 4: They spent like an hour on the first question. And
- 51:28Speaker 4: that's that's where that master weaver we call comes in.
- 51:31Speaker 4: It's like, well, you gotta be able to pivot with
- 51:35Speaker 4: the same you know, kind of maybe intention but going
- 51:38Speaker 4: with the circle.
- 51:40Speaker 2: When these when these students or these linemen or anyone
- 51:46Speaker 2: for that matter, walk into a room and see a
- 51:49Speaker 2: circle of chairs, is this therapy? God? Do I have
- 51:56Speaker 2: to be here? Do I have to do this to?
- 52:01Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna be so vulnerable? That ship
- 52:07Speaker 2: gets like that mindset gets destroyed almost immediately it does.
- 52:11Speaker 2: That conversation starts. It's you're not thinking that.
- 52:15Speaker 4: Way because it starts before the conversation. We start with
- 52:17Speaker 4: our activators, which is all about fun, man. That's what
- 52:22Speaker 4: people love to have fun. That's how we learn, yes,
- 52:25Speaker 4: and so we we always it's the number one thing.
- 52:28Speaker 4: If you don't even get to a circle question, r
- 52:31Speaker 4: play your activator. Number one brain rule is motion. That's
- 52:36Speaker 4: from the great John Medina and his twelve Brain Rules.
- 52:40Speaker 4: It's a great book. But motion is the number one
- 52:43Speaker 4: brain roman and everybody loves that fun and that's that's
- 52:47Speaker 4: that's why when you sit down in the circle, and
- 52:49Speaker 4: you know most people are like this when they start,
- 52:52Speaker 4: we get up, we play our activator. Yeah, your your
- 52:56Speaker 4: motion creates your emotion.
- 52:59Speaker 2: Interesting.
- 53:00Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so that that's why our circles are different,
- 53:02Speaker 4: man like, and and there's a lot of other reasons why.
- 53:06Speaker 4: But you know, activation is just primary, primary.
- 53:09Speaker 2: And while you're while you're listening, you're you're thinking, and
- 53:14Speaker 2: you're you're regulating the way you're thinking.
- 53:17Speaker 4: Yes, you're connecting with people, you're.
- 53:19Speaker 2: You're without without realizing it.
- 53:21Speaker 4: Without realizing it, very very often. And uh, that's kind
- 53:24Speaker 4: of part of the job of the weavers to try
- 53:26Speaker 4: and you know, draw out some of those connections to
- 53:29Speaker 4: those similarities that you know, you might have recognized on
- 53:31Speaker 4: a subconscious plane, but you might have not you know, understood.
- 53:36Speaker 2: It's amazing that you've you've brought this to so many schools,
- 53:42Speaker 2: I don't know how.
- 53:43Speaker 4: Many, over one thousand at least at least in New York,
- 53:48Speaker 4: and you know, and we've you know, Montreal, Hawaii, We've
- 53:51Speaker 4: been in Kentucky, Colorado, Texas. They've been all over And
- 53:55Speaker 4: this started on you in Vermont. They started in Vermont. Yeah, yeah,
- 54:01Speaker 4: it's amazing. Yeah it didn't.
- 54:03Speaker 2: It didn't start in Vermont thirty forty years ago. It's
- 54:08Speaker 2: not that.
- 54:10Speaker 4: Only about seven, I think sixteen seventeen years now talk
- 54:13Speaker 4: been doing it. It's exploded, man, Yeah, it really has.
- 54:17Speaker 2: Isn't that something? What's I tell you about our society?
- 54:20Speaker 4: Well, exactly it. We need it, That's what I think
- 54:23Speaker 4: people need it. I mean we need to learn in
- 54:26Speaker 4: school too. We need to learn absolutely the core stuff,
- 54:30Speaker 4: but we need to we need a lot more than
- 54:32Speaker 4: just learning about math. Right now, with this incredible world
- 54:36Speaker 4: that we live in, which is so dysfunctional in so
- 54:40Speaker 4: many different ways, what we've got going on outside of
- 54:43Speaker 4: the classroom at home, in real life, we need this
- 54:46Speaker 4: stuff now more than ever. Yeah. Man, the human skills
- 54:51Speaker 4: have just we've just lost them due to you know,
- 54:55Speaker 4: whatever reasons. And it's not that they.
- 54:57Speaker 2: Could sit in point fingers all day technology. The list
- 55:00Speaker 2: goes on.
- 55:01Speaker 4: Yeah, the list goes on, and you know again that
- 55:04Speaker 4: curriculum stuff is important. But dude, I got my phone
- 55:07Speaker 4: in my pocket right now. Yeah, I just anytime I
- 55:10Speaker 4: need to do math, I do a lot of math stuff,
- 55:12Speaker 4: like our finances or whatever. Like, I just pull out
- 55:14Speaker 4: the calculator, man Like, I just asked chatchpt, Hey, how
- 55:18Speaker 4: do I do this? Hey? How do I do that?
- 55:19Speaker 4: I figure how to code this or code that just
- 55:21Speaker 4: using chat cheept so the content, you know, I just,
- 55:25Speaker 4: in my personal opinion, I feel like it's secondary to
- 55:29Speaker 4: these human skills that we have just lost the ability
- 55:34Speaker 4: to do. Everybody, not just kids, adults have too. Sure
- 55:38Speaker 4: I have. Everybody has sure And so I think you're dead,
- 55:42Speaker 4: right Like, That's that's what I think we need to
- 55:45Speaker 4: start figuring out. How do we transition from this age
- 55:50Speaker 4: where you had to remember things because you didn't have
- 55:52Speaker 4: instant access to any information that you wanted, And how
- 55:55Speaker 4: do we transition now to pairing that with uh, developing empathy,
- 56:02Speaker 4: developing awareness, teaching kids how to operate in this world.
- 56:07Speaker 4: Man Like. It's just it's getting wilder by the day,
- 56:10Speaker 4: and we got to start catching up. On how we
- 56:14Speaker 4: teach kids to do things in life.
- 56:18Speaker 2: It's powerful stuff and what your what you're as I'm
- 56:21Speaker 2: sitting here listening to you. You know I'm listening to you,
- 56:26Speaker 2: but I asked to have some thoughts in my mind
- 56:28Speaker 2: about relating what you're saying to things going on in
- 56:34Speaker 2: my life. Situations, stories, yeah, people, relationships. It's very powerful stuff. Yeah, dude,
- 56:43Speaker 2: it's incredible. You know, we should would be remiss if
- 56:47Speaker 2: we didn't throw some some love at some of the dealerships,
- 56:54Speaker 2: the car dealerships, the Chevy dealerships specifically that have stepped up,
- 57:00Speaker 2: not just one or two, but several and have said, Yo,
- 57:06Speaker 2: we want to be part of this movement that Sweethearts
- 57:12Speaker 2: and Heroes is on. We want to be part of
- 57:16Speaker 2: their brand. We want to make help make what they
- 57:21Speaker 2: do possible in more schools so this can spread further.
- 57:27Speaker 2: And there are so many Chevy dealerships. Cody Chevrolet, Wels
- 57:31Speaker 2: River Chevrolet are just two, Alderman Chevrolet down in Rutland.
- 57:36Speaker 4: Many Chevrolet, Champlain, Chevrolet, Gosh Chevrolet. Yeah, man, like the
- 57:41Speaker 4: I think there's about fourteen of them totale. And you
- 57:44Speaker 4: know what, they just care about their communities man, And
- 57:47Speaker 4: that's what we have to get back to. It's like
- 57:49Speaker 4: we're in this globalization thing where it's like we're worried
- 57:52Speaker 4: about what's going on in China, We're worried about what's
- 57:54Speaker 4: going on and you know the Middle East. Like, but
- 57:58Speaker 4: where the change is going to happen, man, is in
- 58:00Speaker 4: your local communities. Like if everybody just took care of
- 58:04Speaker 4: each other in their local communities, things would change. And
- 58:06Speaker 4: that's what these dealers have brought. You know. We were
- 58:09Speaker 4: just in Danville with Littleton Chevy last Monday weekend before
- 58:14Speaker 4: the Friday Thursday before, we were in South Burlington area. Yeah,
- 58:21Speaker 4: just had some great, great days there, they said. And
- 58:25Speaker 4: and some we've been Rick's been doing some meet and
- 58:27Speaker 4: greets afterwards at the dealerships with handing out a bridge
- 58:31Speaker 4: named Damis and they've just been going spectacular. But yeah,
- 58:34Speaker 4: these dealers just they really care about their communities and
- 58:38Speaker 4: uh that they're they're showing up for them.
- 58:41Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It was some Kia over in Burlington.
- 58:45Speaker 2: I think it's where you guys were on Friday.
- 58:48Speaker 4: Yeah, we're in a I think it was Chamberlain School
- 58:51Speaker 4: a couple of Fridays ago yeah, a couple of Fridays ago.
- 58:53Speaker 2: And then I think it was I think it was
- 58:57Speaker 2: Veterans Day that Rick was at Alderman Chevrolet.
- 59:00Speaker 4: Yes, I think it was all yeah, yeah.
- 59:03Speaker 2: And Dan Phil speaking of the damn Ville you know.
- 59:06Speaker 2: And I asked Tom, you know, I still haven't had
- 59:11Speaker 2: a I still haven't had an infight to attend one
- 59:14Speaker 2: of the programs at one of the schools.
- 59:17Speaker 4: Still still, well, I'll get you there.
- 59:20Speaker 2: I mean I spoke to listen. Can the guy that
- 59:24Speaker 2: that gets gets me T shirts get me a pass
- 59:28Speaker 2: into one of these schools, go and see one of
- 59:31Speaker 2: these programs.
- 59:32Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'll get you the schedule as soon as they
- 59:34Speaker 4: get back today. But oh, absolutely, dude, do I need
- 59:37Speaker 4: like what do I need?
- 59:38Speaker 2: Clearance?
- 59:39Speaker 4: Now? You just got to show up. I'm pretty sure
- 59:41Speaker 4: you'll be good.
- 59:42Speaker 2: She's going to keep asking Tom. I'm like, Tom, when
- 59:45Speaker 2: when do I get to come here?
- 59:46Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I'll send you the dates that we're kind
- 59:49Speaker 4: of around here. Uh all right, yeah, yeah.
- 59:52Speaker 2: I think Tom's nervous.
- 59:53Speaker 4: Maybe maybe JD's gonna steal the show.
- 59:57Speaker 2: I think I don't think he wants me to to
- 1:00:00Speaker 2: come into these schools. And and and you know, make
- 1:00:03Speaker 2: a scene and talk about the muscle implants. Maybe I
- 1:00:08Speaker 2: don't know.
- 1:00:08Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fairly why.
- 1:00:10Speaker 2: That's it. That's exactly what it is. Yeah, man, listen,
- 1:00:14Speaker 2: I hope to to be at one of them soon.
- 1:00:18Speaker 2: You guys are absolutely killing it. You're crushing it. You're
- 1:00:23Speaker 2: doing amazing, amazing work in schools, amazing work in communities
- 1:00:30Speaker 2: with adults, with children, everyone, and you're you're not missing
- 1:00:35Speaker 2: a beat man, every single one of you, even the
- 1:00:38Speaker 2: behind the scenes guys like Leon. When the hell's he
- 1:00:40Speaker 2: gonna come on the man? Man, he's busy.
- 1:00:42Speaker 4: He's busy. I don't know, you get.
- 1:00:46Speaker 2: Dude.
- 1:00:46Speaker 4: Crank's had so many emails in my inbox.
- 1:00:49Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm sure he does. I'm sure he's always working. Uh.
- 1:00:54Speaker 2: You guys are really doing unbelievable work. It's so powerful,
- 1:00:58Speaker 2: it's so uplifting, it so positive. Every Wednesday, I told
- 1:01:03Speaker 2: Tom the other night, Wednesdays are one of my favorite
- 1:01:08Speaker 2: days of the week because of what you guys bring. You,
- 1:01:12Speaker 2: the message that you guys bring to my airwaves, for
- 1:01:16Speaker 2: my followers, my listeners, we need more of it. Man.
- 1:01:21Speaker 4: Well, we just appreciate you Ja d and that we're
- 1:01:23Speaker 4: allowed to be here every Wednesday. I tune in every Wednesday, man,
- 1:01:26Speaker 4: and just hear the conversations and they're always great and
- 1:01:29Speaker 4: it's amazing stuff. We love being here.
- 1:01:31Speaker 2: I'm so I always feel positive, I always feel inspired
- 1:01:35Speaker 2: to be better, do more, think differently, and carry on
- 1:01:41Speaker 2: through the rest of my day with a different mindset.
- 1:01:44Speaker 4: Well Wednesday, yeah, man, and listen.
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- 1:02:17Speaker 4: Yeah, it's getting wild, man, it's getting wild. Our schedule
- 1:02:19Speaker 4: is pretty much packed through the rest of the school year.
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- 1:02:23Speaker 2: And if your school is not yet involved, sweet sweetheart
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- 1:02:31Speaker 2: start right there. Reach out info.
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- 1:02:40Speaker 4: schools that are waiting.
- 1:02:41Speaker 2: Yeah.
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