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Orientation and OFSN 101: Intro to 2020 Recruiting · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  The fields for the dirt, we don't even grow Aspen my more
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  than just cleaning shit off welcome to episode of The
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  Boundary form. My name is Curtis Wilson, along
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  with my co-host. Brian Sigler, hello.
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  Hello for. We kind of dive into everything.
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  We're going to kind of do on this podcast.
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  We want to kind of give a little background of who we are and how
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  this show came about me and Brian grew up together in
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  Halifax County Virginia, which is a little small country County
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  down in the southern part of the state.
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  Middle school, high school. Even college at Longwood
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  together and now we both live in the RV.
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  A we're together for a little while two years ago.
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  Long. Yeah craziness.
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  So you know so we've known each other a long time and about two
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  years ago we kind of started knocking around this idea of
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  doing a hokie podcast. But you know, kind of Life
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  happened was both get kids from moving away from our VA for a
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  couple years. Moving back, jobs adult-themed,
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  it sucks. But now well It's actually going
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  to happen. So we're pretty excited to do
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  this and kind of give our view on autokey football, a long as
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  well as the ACC in college football, kind of as a whole.
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  I'm going to go ahead and give my background is like as a fan
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  that I am. I consider myself a hooky fan of
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  really 25 years. My first vivid memory of
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  Virginia Tech. Football program is 1995.
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  New Year's Eve, watching the sugar bowl with Jim truck, Metal
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  bikini, oxendine, bronze, still in that punt return.
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  I get chills thinking about it. Antonio banks on defense and I
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  fell in love with it, you know, it was a school up the road from
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  where I grew up and it was Virginia players and, you know,
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  over the course of last 25 years, having friends go there
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  and getting to go to games and slowly in green and watching
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  more and more. It's, it's Lee, the thing I've
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  watch and follow the most of any sport now.
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  Brian, you got even a better background than me concerning
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  football, but you got some Phantom 2 and I definitely have
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  some Phantom in me, too. I'll start with the fandom.
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  I was a hockey fan pretty much about the same time Curtis
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  started 95. It really took off with the
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  magical run to the National Championship.
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  That really kind of took things. Next level for me, one of the
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  most Vivid memories I didn't get a chance to go to a game that
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  you but my high school football coach as a end-of-year treat to
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  us. I was playing varsity for the
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  first time that year and heat actually took us to a UVA game.
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  Ironically, and they were showing a bunch of The
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  highlights from the tech game and I was kind of trolling some
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  of the UVA fans on the hill there.
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  So that was kind of my yesterday to the Hokie fan love and to the
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  robbery with UVA. So that's kind of where it all
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  started with me. And as far as background of my
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  football life, I played football for from when I was eight till I
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  was 21. And then I did some coaching as
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  well. So little league middle school,
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  high school was captain of the high school team played division
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  three football heading to Sydney offensive, lineman's guards.
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  But I did, I did play a little bit of Center there to in a
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  pinch. Then from there, coach the
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  defensive line at Jr. Tucker for a couple of years in
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  Henrico Nieto for and against still back here in the 80 for
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  now. So that's kind of Kind of my
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  background and my history both with the fandom and and football
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  in general. And some of the credentials that
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  I bring to the table. Yeah, I'll go.
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  I'll go from there. Just saying kind of what we,
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  what we want this podcast to be, and what we don't want it to be.
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  The biggest thing don't want it to be really.
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  There's two things you don't want to be, we don't want it to
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  just be a podcast where we cast, everything that the Hokies do is
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  a ray of sunshine, they're going to be things that are not good.
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  Good. We don't like that would like to
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  see improvements on that was like to move forward on at the
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  same time. I'm not going to yell fire food.
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  The first time we have a loss in the first time, you know, I
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  recruit flips on it so we miss out on a four or five star,
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  in-state guys. So, I'm not going to be that
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  guy, but I'm also not gonna be the guy that's gonna shine.
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  Sunshine up your ass every time. You know, things are rough as
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  well. So that's kind of what we will
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  be. Don't want But we do want to be
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  is I think, you know, balancing the good in the bad, put it in
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  perspective for the program and kind of relate all that to the
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  landscape of what they see. See what college football is in
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  general right now and just have fun with it.
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  Taco keys. Don't include talk some of the,
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  the more important games and just have fun with it.
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  I think we also want to bring our unique points of view to the
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  table. You know, will give you the fan
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  perspective. We're also going to occasionally
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  do a little bit of a dive into action news for some of you
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  football, nerds out there. Well, yeah, and I'm definitely a
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  football nerd. And what you guys are also going
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  to hear is this is me and Brian's conversation almost on a
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  daily basis, you know, phone calls, texts, emails, tweets
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  back and forth. This is who we are.
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  You know, don't ever ever look at our text change.
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  Starting On a game day oh my God, be there for 7 hours
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  because it starts early, I'm saying earlier it does early and
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  then I was trying to say Brian why?
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  The Hell, did we just do that on third down?
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  And he gives a reasonable explanation and I have to stop
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  piping for like five minutes but but let's do a quick.
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  Let you go ahead and document and highlight what we're going
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  to be looking at in this Premiere episode.
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  Yeah that would be a good place to start.
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  So first thing we'll focus on is 20/20 roster and recruiting and
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  really recruiting in general looking primarily at the 2020
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  class, but kind of filling in some of Thus, some of the holes
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  that will will explain what's going on with that 2020 class.
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  I'm also going to probably highlight some of those
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  potential instant impact guys that we might be looking at this
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  year, even with a small class and maybe some other freshman to
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  watch that made being impacted the future and since we're on
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  that subject, we will talk about the transfer portal.
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  That's kind of the Bugaboo for everyone right now.
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  Not just let us so we will talk about that.
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  How it's impacting college sports, how it's impacting high
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  school recruits? And also take a look at some of
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  the guys we've actually picked up as as grad transfers and as
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  transfers in general for this year.
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  Awesome. Well, let's start with this.
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  The first thing I want to look at today and kind of discuss is
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  the actual class size of the Hope, 2020 class has just
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  everybody finally signed yesterday with capturing dahlen
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  right out of South Carolina, our last pick up, but in terms of
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  class size, this is maybe one of the smallest Hokies classes
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  since I've been a fans and recruiting has been at the
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  Forefront of me following, we Only got 15 commits?
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  Yeah, yeah. It's significant really small.
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  Literally, we are the smallest class tied with Boston College
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  this year. You know, and not the most
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  impressive class, but it wasn't like we were out there.
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  Just not giving offers front. I know we discussed.
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  There are some guys, we really-- some high-profile parts we
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  missed on. So I know you've done a little
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  research. Were these guys, you looked at
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  that we really tried to get but essentially we swung admit.
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  I mean the biggest to are going to be Chris, Tyree, Thomas Dale,
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  the 8004 and then you've got your Lambert from the 757.
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  I mean those were the two big targets we were looking at in
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  state. I mean really, there wasn't a
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  lot of big talent and state this year.
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  We look at it, I mean, four and five star town and state.
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  There's only six, guys. So we targeted two of those
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  swirling Mist, it didn't help that Penn State was thin at wide
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  receiver. And they've also had since then
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  even some, some guys that were at that position, hit the
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  portal. So that coupled with, you know,
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  at the time what was our massive depth at wide receiver.
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  I can see why He thought that that might be a good way to go
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  and Tyree ended up at Notre Dame.
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  It seemed like that was kind of where he was heading for a good
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  while there. They took the lead early and
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  close the deal for him. So I think that was to that we
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  took a shot at a shot at Tyree. And I don't think that with what
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  happened at Penn State that we were going to do enough to
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  convince Young I mean I mean are you seeing these or I mean just
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  kind of what you're saying. I don't think you're saying this
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  is an indictment on what we did recruiting wise and it's two
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  more of its situation. And you know even with the
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  losses of the waters, we're still people live or C4.
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  Yeah, we still don't have. Yeah I think Rudolph is the
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  third or fourth, best wide receiver.
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  The states that we still brought him in.
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  We went out and got you know Tyree Saunders.
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  I like I said I'm going to go over.
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  This a little bit more later when we talk X's and O's, but
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  Tyree Saunders and Alan, right? So I mean, it's not like we
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  didn't do our diligence in that position, it's just
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  circumstantially. We weren't able to get the best
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  gal board in the state and that happens sometimes.
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  Um what I want to look you're just so everybody so poke Nation
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  don't get scared. This is a small class, it's a
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  one-off because what we need to look at is do some history.
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  You know, we take a look at our last three recruiting classes.
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  They've been pretty low. Large 20 1923 commitments. 2018,
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  26 commitments, 2017. Also 26.
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  Commitments, you do the quick math.
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  You know, that's like right at what 75 recruits.
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  So that's a lot of guys already in it.
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  I know some guys have left and whatnot.
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  We were expecting attrition regardless, just based on those
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  three classes. Exactly.
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  For going to make this class by default.
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  Smaller than your average classes.
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  Well yes smaller than your average five and something I
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  want to do we're going to go into 2019 in a few minutes here
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  about actually the productivity of that class.
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  But only just, we're just going to take a quick look at the
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  other two classes. I just mentioned 2017, this
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  year, some of the big contributors.
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  There's a guy named handed poker.
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  Yeah, big contributor. You had towel on garbage who is
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  rotating in that end. He's a redshirt sophomore
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  rotating in a defensive end side.
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  Dan Z and Let It Go Smith. Really part of building our
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  offensive line this year along with the absolute stud.
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  Left tackle, Christian era saw, they were all part of that 2017
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  class along with the man in the middle, Richard Ashby.
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  The guy who was a five-time linebacker of the week for the
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  ACC but doesn't get first team linebacker.
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  You explain that one to me Ron when I can't
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  You're talking about really the heart of this team.
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  In general, she had Dax Holly food and starting it back or
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  Trey Turner, the best wide receiver.
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  We have tamari. Connor who literally went out
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  his sophomore year and took the nickel spot away from Khalil
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  ladler an upperclassman who by all means had never had played
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  fad Alan Tisdale rotating in at those linebackers positions with
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  Richard and Dax and then we take a look at, you know, Big Stone
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  Gap, James Mitchell, What A Difference Maker he was this
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  year, man, is a sophomore and then Armani Chapman, you know,
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  we saw him get burned a few times but we felt comfortable
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  with art money coming in there. You know, given Jermaine and
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  caliph. Ali breathers.
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  Right. Javon becton.
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  Same way and end rotating in size.
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  Good reps. And then, you know, Luke tenuta
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  holding down the right side in the aforementioned, one of the
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  best cover corner is in the lead.
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  Jermaine Wallace was a sophomore.
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  Yeah. We're Brian just just kind of go
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  through a people are mad about being 85 but then I just need
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  primarily red shirt sophomore. Sophomores and redshirt
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  freshman, has some Thai. Biggest contributors.
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  I mean, I think people are right to be frustrated with a to
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  survive. I don't think they're right to
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  be frustrated, only because we're a style.
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  I mean there are certainly circumstances out there that
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  people can point to be frustrated with but I don't
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  think recruiting in the talent that we have on the roster as
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  one of them. I mean, General youth is
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  contributing to some of that inconsistency that we're seeing.
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  I think the inconsistency is what's hurting us most in the
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  game is that we'll go out and we'll have these good runs and
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  then we'll make a couple. Mistakes and those mistakes or
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  sometimes backbreakers. So I think, I mean, as they're
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  going to get older, they're going to be more consistent with
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  their play. They're going to be smarter.
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  They'll be able to play fast while being smart and that's the
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  biggest thing. Is that early in the season?
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  When I was seeing some of those guys that were still young
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  thinking a lot and playing slow after do, they weren't doing
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  that anymore? At least not as much.
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  And I think that that was a big switch support.
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  I don't know what what food said or did.
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  His in to help with that. But I think that was the biggest
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  contributing factor there definitely.
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  Definitely something changed inside the program with that.
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  Now, I'm going to go here and now to me, this is as a Ho Chi
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  Minh. This is unacceptable, I class
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  ranking this year, we were 70th, we were literally, I think,
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  viewers, ACC team. Yeah.
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  This is all 24/7. So Cuts who I go to, I respect,
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  what those guys do fall, apart and Simmons.
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  He's a little Lee one of the heads of that really smart guy.
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  So this is where you're getting the rankings info from us, but
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  we were 70. This is not a good look,
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  regardless, you know, but I mean, what do you thing on to
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  me? It's a terrible look.
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  It's like, you're one of the worst recruiting class.
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  It's a terrible look. In the biggest thing is that
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  again? We go back to their swings and
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  misses on some of those in state.
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  Guys, if we're, if we're swinging out and getting
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  everything out and getting those two guys, On top of bring it in
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  and out of Brian and a Robert wouldn't you know, you're not
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  talking about the same scenario because you're probably talking
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  about, you know, somewhere around 1011 in the ACC and given
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  the small class size you can explain away some of that.
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  But yeah, I think the biggest thing with this recruiting class
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  is that there are some guys that are going to still show you
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  something from this class. I think the problem is that we
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  didn't get Get on some of those higher name guys we wanted to
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  hit and it really hurt us in the rankings and it really hurt us.
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  I think perception wise given some of the other problems we've
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  had both last year, some of this year.
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  And then after school called this after Taylor Just
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  perception-wise, I may be there, when you're already in your
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  feelings a little bit, every everything matters, and this is
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  one of those other things that matter.
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  And we said it before to another thing.
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  Probably for the low-ranking you talk about missing on guys, but
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  when you have a ton of sophomores freshman occupying
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  starting positions, primary contributor positions really
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  tough to go up and walk to a guy and promising things.
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  When, you know, he can see the writing on the wall to say, hey
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  man, you know you know I'm an inside linebacker.
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  Oh great. We'd love to have you.
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  You're probably not starting for.
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  Three years just because of how deeply are that position.
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  And and and before we had the departure from painting and
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  Haze, I think you either is say the same thing at wide receiver,
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  which I think is what scared scared Lambert away especially
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  since Penn State was having the opposite problem.
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  Yeah, you know, I haven't got word playing that weren't up
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  stuff and having very, very thin guys behind them so that
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  definitely contributes to him going going up.
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  Up to Happy Valley there. So, Exactly, we're gonna move
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  on. Just so you guys know, I don't
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  think this is what we're going to see from this programs.
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  Going forward, 29:20 21, excuse me.
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  He's already looking like, potentially potentially the best
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  recruiting. Potentially the best recruiting
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  class in program history. You know, the Morris Davis out
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  of Texas already committing top quarterback in the country, but
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  I just want everybody calm down. Down and saw 70.
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  Just remember, 2019, we were the 26th strength program recruiting
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  laws in the country. 2018, 2420 1726.
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  I know that's probably not where we all want to be.
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  We probably would like to see top ten classes but understand
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  that we weren't in a transition process and I think people are
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  not giving that due diligence of the transition process we were
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  in, we were going from a legend who went out on good terms and
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  we had ahead Coach come in and his people want to.
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  If you want to light up through, that's fine for what he does
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  wrong. The one thing he never did is he
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  never tried to trounce Frank Beamer's, Legacy.
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  He never has if anything, he's added onto it with the 25, the
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  one in some of the other stuff he's done.
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  Even with Bud being there. He respected that and maybe
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  that's why it's taken a few Cycles to get his vision because
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  he did have such respect. And I'm hoping that we start
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  seeing some of that vision and that payoff, especially this
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  season, I feel like with the amount of talent we have in
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  coming back and again as you highlighted, 26, 24 26 rankings
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  from balances from those who have the ability have the
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  experience to really do some big things for us.
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  Yes. So I'm hoping that you know, we
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  put all those pieces together this year and and we can turn
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  things around a little bit more. I mean 85 that's what I expected
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  out of the gate after Duke I was expecting worse.
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  After the turn around, I was expecting better.
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  You know, UVA things the bowl games things.
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  I know Booter Dame sting. Yeah it was there and we let
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  them off the hook as As I boy, screams didn't grease.
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  Oh yeah, I think I think the biggest thing is, you know, but
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  let's let's not just build on last year.
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  Let's go out and kick some ass and show them what the Hokies
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  are all about. I think that's what we need to
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  do. I'll do it with you.
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  All right, we're gonna move on next sort of the next.
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  You know, this wasn't a big senior class like six guys,
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  graduated and really of the guys leaving senior wise, really
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  Reggie. Floyd was our biggest
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  contributor. I'm going to put this Sean
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  mcleese in there. The Shawn could have came back
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  for one more year eligibility and technically was a senior and
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  I think he's doing the right thing, he needs to take a shot
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  just you know, The way that our system runs, but the one guy
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  that kind of shocked everybody, I'll even was Dalton King.
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  Now Brian, I'm going to run through this, each of them and
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  their potential Replacements. What I want you to do is where
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  you feel most comfortable with, you know your football knowledge
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  there and where you don't feel comfortable, you know losing
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  Reggie Floyd's stuff. But Kevin and we saw him play.
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  Sometimes at that at that Rover position and my eyes.
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  The telling me he looks better than Reggie.
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  Love you Reggie but that's just 4 miles was telling me, you
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  know, daltin Keen leave. And we have a couple guys.
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  You have Drake Dallas who have higher rated player coming out
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  during recruiting class against Dalton, you have Gallo had
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  significant playing time last year James Mitchell at that
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  position. Then mcleese leaving you kind of
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  looking at a combo of Keshawn King who pop several times last
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  year. Force and they can transfer from
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  Kansas Herbert. Give me your ranking around
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  where you feel most comfortable, where you're kind of feeling
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  shaky as we move on to next season's.
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  All right, so most comfortable, I'm definitely feeling feeling,
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  Devon hunter in there. Instead of Reggie Floyd, I think
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  the biggest thing he's gonna need is those consistent game
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  reps against one's? He'll finally get that.
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  Just this offseason Spring and also with with fall Camp.
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  So I think that's going to be big for him in his development
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  just because the bit the only thing he doesn't have means that
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  all the tools he just doesn't have a ton a ton of game reps or
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  get or at least reps against the ones.
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  So I think I'm getting a lot of that is going to be the
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  determining factor of how well he does this year.
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  But potential lies. I mean I think you could
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  definitely definitely be better than what we saw from Reggie
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  last year so we'll see how that goes.
• 23:33
  I'd say number two I'm real I'm really tall stuff here.
• 23:38
  I think we're going to be okay at tight end and I'll say the
• 23:41
  biggest thing is that, you know, we've got Mitchell has kind of a
• 23:45
  joker, hes on diesel, do it all. He's gonna line up in line, he's
• 23:49
  in a split out, he can do those things.
• 23:51
  So even take that the good old Jet Sweep hear from you.
• 23:56
  So, I mean, there's there's so much that he can do with his
• 23:59
  talent and his athletic ability that is going.
• 24:03
  To be hard for anyone and I'm hoping that we'll see Drake, and
• 24:09
  Nick take up some of the other roles that Cain has some of the,
• 24:14
  some of the screen game things. A lot of the blocky roles from
• 24:18
  the HVAC position. Some of the in line blocking.
• 24:21
  If they can fill some of that void, we won't miss his output,
• 24:26
  will just fix the fact that we had one guy that can do all
• 24:29
  those things, a jack-of-all-trades?
• 24:31
  Yeah, I didn't positions. So I think that's that's what
• 24:34
  we'll end up missing the first, but I think by committee, we can
• 24:37
  end up getting all that production back.
• 24:40
  Running back is the biggest question for me.
• 24:44
  I don't feel bad about it but I'm not sure how to feel about
• 24:47
  it. I think King with full offseason
• 24:51
  getting some extra size on them, you know, full offseason.
• 24:54
  The weight room full of season. Practicing, I think that's going
• 24:58
  to be big for him and I think you're gonna see a big
• 25:00
  Improvement in him and if he can Replace most of the cleese's
• 25:07
  production and then you got Herbert coming in with kind of
• 25:11
  one, cut bull back, that can get some the open field.
• 25:15
  He's going to using the new some blue, some nice things.
• 25:19
  And then there's also, you know, we haven't talked about
• 25:22
  transfers yet, but when we talk about Blackshear coming in,
• 25:26
  being able to line up at running back into the lineup at at the
• 25:30
  slot position, being a to do those jet sweeps, get involved
• 25:35
  in the screen game, get involved in the pot, pass game.
• 25:37
  I mean there's there's a lot of things that we can do with that.
• 25:41
  So I'm hoping that between those three guys along with some of
• 25:46
  the other guys in the depth, like Holston that we're going to
• 25:49
  be okay. Okay, that that position.
• 25:51
  But that's the one. That's the biggest question,
• 25:53
  mark, just because I don't know what Herbert's going to look
• 25:55
  like in the system. I don't know what black she is
• 25:57
  going to look like in the system.
• 25:58
  The only person I really seen. It's going to be have
• 26:00
  significant carries as king, and I'm hoping that an offseason is
• 26:03
  gonna take what he did is freshman year, really, really
• 26:06
  blow it up. Nice.
• 26:11
  You know, earlier we were discussing the 2019 class and
• 26:16
  only go back to that because I 2019, Is there some guys there
• 26:21
  that to me? If we don't recruit these guys,
• 26:26
  I don't think we're in five last year.
• 26:28
  I honestly don't and I just kind of wrote down the names here and
• 26:34
  kind of how many games they played.
• 26:35
  I want everybody to remember every single person on here with
• 26:38
  the exception of the Sean Crawford and we're true
• 26:41
  freshman. I'm going to say that again.
• 26:44
  True freshman. They came straight in and
• 26:46
  started playing the first is being Tyrion lineman Doug Nestor
• 26:51
  the played 11 games, the only games he missed 4 BC in the
• 26:54
  bowl, we had the discussion on the bowl game afterwards,
• 26:57
  basically blind, they said they were done.
• 26:59
  They were tired. And you know what?
• 27:01
  The bowl game, we're playing for a national championship.
• 27:03
  Nope, then put these guys rest the same with Brian Hudson
• 27:08
  started Center 11 games, kavion Robinson, kind of came in as a
• 27:13
  true freshman and sort of stool Hezekiah.
• 27:16
  Grimsley's rolled not only at the Lat.
• 27:20
  But later on in the season as a punt, returner and but he only
• 27:23
  play, he only did punt returns for five games, he was averaging
• 27:27
  14 yards on Turk and that's all you'll get better.
• 27:30
  You don't talk about this way. That's only gonna get better
• 27:31
  with rest. Heck, yeah, man Gallo, we saw
• 27:35
  him in there on special teams and some run blocking place.
• 27:38
  I think that's going to help you mentioned.
• 27:39
  It makes going to help with his development.
• 27:42
  The two big kids from Florida, polity Kendrick, they played all
• 27:46
  13 games on the interior. And No.
• 27:49
  By all means they didn't have a billion package for lost but
• 27:53
  they look like they can play at this level and I think them
• 27:57
  against get in. The weight room is your mention
• 28:00
  to get in the weight room getting technique.
• 28:02
  Remember, we got a new defensive line coach, two of them to be
• 28:07
  exact, I think they're going to grow.
• 28:10
  And then crop the Juco transfer who played in 11 games I think
• 28:15
  for him. Yes, he was a Juco but I think
• 28:18
  him coming in and me. Italy with those two guys from
• 28:20
  Florida. I feel more stabilized at the
• 28:23
  defensive tackle position then I did last year going in.
• 28:26
  But I mean, let's just think about that.
• 28:29
  How big a role each of those guys played and they were
• 28:32
  recruited last year, some of the guys, like Nestor we flipped
• 28:35
  from Ohio State. He was a top hundred guy.
• 28:38
  Hudson was another hiring guy, and then we found the Diamonds
• 28:40
  in the Rough. So at 20 and I think there's
• 28:44
  some people in that 2019 Class B might have caused some of those
• 28:48
  transfers. I marry the guy from the r-va of
• 28:51
  je Tai, o, if I pronounce the name wrong, I apologize.
• 28:54
  I've got was highly rated in the stud he didn't play at all last
• 28:59
  year. Hey I think primarily converting
• 29:01
  from quarterback to wide receiver but we didn't see him
• 29:05
  on the field yet with that electrifying speed that we know
• 29:08
  is legit. Oh yeah.
• 29:11
  I mean and I really even if I remember back to fall Camp I
• 29:14
  mean they knew he was going to Redshirt.
• 29:15
  Everyone was raving about what he was doing in Fall Camp.
• 29:18
  So yeah I think you're going to see a lot of lot more from him
• 29:23
  this year. So I'm really excited to see
• 29:26
  that knowing that he's going to be in some role, takes a little,
• 29:30
  The Sting of because the Ping zhi.
• 29:33
  It got him, the transfer portal there.
• 29:34
  So you like for the big hope, is that yeah, Jaden is.
• 29:40
  As advertised and we get some big plays out of them this year.
• 29:46
  Oh yeah, I agree with that. All right, um, next thing we're
• 29:50
  going to hit up on guys is Brian went through and did a little
• 29:56
  little digging and a little video reviewing of some players
• 30:01
  here. So what I'm going to do is I'm
• 30:03
  going to kind of lay them out who we got, he's going to talk
• 30:06
  about front of all means, tell them where you're looking at
• 30:10
  these highlights from, you know, if it's like a 24/7 or arrivals.
• 30:16
  So, so for you guys in the public out there, listen to what
• 30:20
  bronze talking about. Go see these tapes.
• 30:22
  So again, helps you correlate to why he's feeling the way he's
• 30:25
  feeling, right? If you're ready, I'm going to
• 30:27
  start the top-rated guy in our class.
• 30:31
  Alec Bryant, we decide defensive in the number 17 weeks.
• 30:36
  I defensive end in the country out of Shadow Creek, High School
• 30:38
  in Houston Texas what you see on her face.
• 30:41
  So Ali Brian I was checking out 24/7 links to The Huddle
• 30:46
  highlights for this for this man and this young man and the
• 30:51
  biggest thing I'm seeing this guy has some great get off.
• 30:55
  This guy gets off the line snaps as good as I've seen he shoots
• 31:00
  his hands and that's something you don't see from players.
• 31:04
  A lot of players at the high school level is being good with
• 31:06
  their hands especially at the snap.
• 31:09
  Does that? Well, the other thing he does.
• 31:12
  Well, she's great at finding the played with his eyes.
• 31:15
  So he gets his hands on the phone, the linemen and finds
• 31:18
  where the ball is going. And is really good at diagnosing
• 31:22
  that awesome motor. He's always working to the ball.
• 31:26
  Even when he's being blocked, even when he's fully engaged,
• 31:31
  biggest thing that's a criticism of him right now would be when
• 31:36
  he is getting slightly is fully engaged.
• 31:39
  Sometimes he had trouble shedding the block, but he's
• 31:42
  always working towards the balls.
• 31:43
  Me, that's the biggest thing I like about him is that he's
• 31:46
  always working towards the ball, he's not giving up on the play.
• 31:48
  He's always at the ball at with the tackles made, even if it's
• 31:51
  down the field. I mean, I can't I can't say
• 31:54
  enough about this guy. I really like what I'm seeing.
• 31:56
  I'm taping them. I got you, Brian, do you see day
• 32:01
  one contributor? You think he's going to have
• 32:02
  some packaged and I think you better.
• 32:04
  He's actually one right now that I would say with great certainty
• 32:09
  is probably not going to read. Sure.
• 32:10
  I think there's at least going to be a package for him on pass
• 32:13
  rush Downs or on Downs. Where we're going with a mixed
• 32:18
  front than we. Normally would getting him in
• 32:21
  there. Because actually I've seen him
• 32:23
  lineup as far inside is a three technique on certain places just
• 32:28
  to Increase the pass rush ability.
• 32:32
  So I'm he's got enough size even as a as a true freshman to go
• 32:37
  inside and line up on that, so I think you're definitely going to
• 32:40
  see him do some stuff like that. Working in some packages this
• 32:43
  year. Hey Brian!
• 32:45
  Do this for the audience anyway because you're talking three
• 32:49
  technique, five technique kind of give the number and kind of
• 32:52
  where they are. So, when you say these things,
• 32:55
  folks will know exactly where they're talking about.
• 32:57
  So, you just said, three technique.
• 32:58
  Where's the 303 technique is lining up outside of the of the
• 33:01
  Guard, so the outside of the card.
• 33:05
  So generally you're going to be a five or seven as a defensive
• 33:08
  end. Sometimes a nine if you're doing
• 33:10
  no more wide 9 technique 5 is going to be outside.
• 33:15
  Hi of a tackle 7 is going to be outside of the Titan if there is
• 33:19
  one on that side and then I'm just going to be essentially a
• 33:23
  man whiter of whatever the inline guy is on that side,
• 33:28
  depending on what the alignment is.
• 33:30
  But like I said, this, this guy Casey lined up in a three
• 33:34
  technique. So he's lined up inside.
• 33:37
  Two interior lineman versus on the edge of one.
• 33:41
  So usually you need a little bit more size to do that.
• 33:45
  But even with with is I think he's 62, 63 64 to 35 to 40 as a
• 33:52
  as a high school. He's able to get in there and
• 33:56
  make that work. So that that's something that's
• 33:58
  impressive. And like I said, that
• 34:00
  versatility will come in and play for us, I believe.
• 34:06
  All right. Now, Next we've got here.
• 34:07
  You want to discuss those Tyree Saunders.
• 34:10
  Tyree wide receiver. 124's is ranked First Coast, High School
• 34:16
  down in Jacksonville, Florida. So keeping that connection going
• 34:20
  with our recruiting down there. What you see on, Tyrese take.
• 34:24
  All right, so Tyree Tyree is really good at beating press at
• 34:28
  the line of scrimmage. I don't know what that's going
• 34:32
  to look like when he goes against bigger physical Corners
• 34:35
  because most high school Corners are Dragon physical especially
• 34:38
  ones, you're going to see on the highlight tape on Hubble that
• 34:43
  being said, I didn't see him get jammed.
• 34:45
  I didn't see him. Get thrown off his route line.
• 34:49
  Now, what he did do a lot of is that he was running A lot of go
• 34:54
  routes in the highlight tape. So I think he's going to be a
• 34:57
  deep threat. I don't know what his route tree
• 34:59
  really looks real look like because he only ran about three
• 35:03
  routes on the highlight tape. That weren't go routes or skinny
• 35:07
  post, I think he's gonna be a guy that can take the top off of
• 35:12
  a defense though. He did show he was a willing
• 35:15
  blocker. Also I'm running plays more
• 35:17
  couple strings and he did have a couple screens himself that he
• 35:21
  took to the house on the highlight tape.
• 35:23
  So I think he's will be overworking the screen game, but
• 35:25
  I don't know if he's gonna be that guy that you're sending
• 35:28
  over the middle. That's going to be able to make
• 35:31
  a route adjustment in the zone or anything like that.
• 35:33
  I don't know what that looks like yet, but he can definitely
• 35:35
  take the top off of a defense. All right, one thing I like in,
• 35:41
  you know, I like hearing these things about Tyree.
• 35:43
  Another thing Tyree was one of the real vocal guys getting
• 35:46
  recruited very positive towards Virginia taking, and you need
• 35:51
  those guys in classes. And also, I see that and I think
• 35:54
  attitude and I hear you telling me he likes to block, okay, sure
• 35:59
  from, you know, from coaching and from playing, if there's a
• 36:02
  wide receiver will in the block to get on the field, a little
• 36:05
  bit quicker than the guys who don't like that sort of stuff.
• 36:08
  Lutely. Absolutely right.
• 36:10
  If you can set them all up in your direction and you like the
• 36:12
  block, you'll probably get some playing time.
• 36:14
  Even if you're not outrunning everybody out there and he's
• 36:19
  doing that too awesome. Alright next down to look at his
• 36:25
  wide receiver. 163 about 24/7 Hakeem Rudolph.
• 36:29
  Virginia Beach Virginia Green Run, High School, big 64 guy.
• 36:33
  Would you see on him? All right, three words, Red Zone
• 36:36
  threat. So we shouldn't worry about
• 36:39
  hazel, the not even coming in. I don't know if he's gonna have
• 36:43
  an immediate impact this year but he kissed the potential to
• 36:46
  just because he high points the ball, well catches the ball with
• 36:49
  his hands. The other thing I saw in this is
• 36:52
  important when talking about the Hazelden thing is that he does a
• 36:55
  good job of throttling and settling in when running through
• 36:58
  Zone coverage like on Slants digs things like that.
• 37:02
  So yeah I think that's going to be the biggest contribution from
• 37:07
  for Rudolph. Is those over the middle routes?
• 37:11
  And also, like I said, Red Zone, threat being able to go to the
• 37:16
  go to the corner, run the Fades runs back line, all those things
• 37:20
  are going to be what you see, looking Rudolph do either this
• 37:23
  year or sometime next year because he's gonna fight for
• 37:26
  that. Type of role, pretty, pretty
• 37:28
  immediately. He's going to take some of the
• 37:30
  things that Hazleton did and some of the things that we saw
• 37:33
  Phil Patterson view on a, you know, on a breather role when he
• 37:37
  came in. To relieve some of the other
• 37:38
  guys. Nice.
• 37:42
  All right, we got a couple more guys.
• 37:43
  Were going to hit up here before we move on to the discussing a
• 37:47
  little bit about our transfer portal.
• 37:50
  Another guy Robert wooden defensive end ranked 27th out of
• 37:56
  Stanford, high school and Stafford.
• 37:57
  Texas Tech sweetie. I think it's real.
• 38:02
  What did you see on gluten here. So the biggest thing with him is
• 38:05
  that he's got a motor that does not quit.
• 38:09
  He comes at you relentlessly, not as good.
• 38:13
  Good. Get off as Brian, not quite as
• 38:17
  good with his hands right off the bat as Brian.
• 38:20
  But what, what you do, what he doesn't do?
• 38:22
  Their he makes up for in motor man.
• 38:23
  He's always working working to get back to the quarterback.
• 38:27
  Really good. Presence of knowing pocket
• 38:30
  depth. With so he's not some guy that's
• 38:32
  going to try to Edge rush you to death and then all of a sudden
• 38:36
  you know he's out of the play because the tackle random
• 38:39
  upfield. He understands he understands
• 38:42
  where the quarterback is when the start working back inside
• 38:45
  staying his past rush Lane so that I mean that's important
• 38:48
  stuff too. So we don't end up having guys
• 38:52
  running 30 or 40 yards for a touchdown from the quarterback
• 38:56
  position. I don't know when we've seen
• 38:58
  that before. You be a bowl game, what?
• 39:05
  And like, every time this year, you felt like they were going
• 39:08
  back, scrambling and yards type of he's discipline at the
• 39:11
  position. So he's not someone that's gonna
• 39:13
  allow a lot. Has at least not from, from not
• 39:16
  on his terms. So that's what I like about him.
• 39:19
  The best is that, that that pass pass rush Lane discipline.
• 39:26
  We're going to round out here the defensive players and it's
• 39:29
  another defensive end, Justin Beetle, Sandy Creek, High
• 39:31
  School, out of Tyrone. Georgia number 52, ranked
• 39:35
  defensive end. So kind of seeing folks out
• 39:38
  here, we a strategy this year, we're loading up on defensive
• 39:41
  end, you know, three guys in the top 60s, now, it's not terrible.
• 39:48
  What did you see on the biggest height-wise of these guys
• 39:52
  Betelnut long and he uses that leverage in the past rushing,
• 39:56
  use that leverage in the Run game.
• 39:59
  He's another one that uses his hands.
• 40:01
  Well, that's good because when he gets his hands on someone,
• 40:04
  that separation is important. Now it's not a lot in the in the
• 40:09
  Run game with him, being able to get keep that defensive tackle,
• 40:13
  these offensive tackle away from him so he could easily separate
• 40:16
  make a play in The Run game. And it's also helpful in, in the
• 40:21
  past rush when he works at it, when we works the risk, when
• 40:24
  he's got a pretty good, rip rip move to the inside.
• 40:27
  When he works that it, it comes to fruition.
• 40:30
  He's got that good leverage. He could stand to stay lower
• 40:36
  coming out of his coming off, the snap just because of his
• 40:39
  height that's always going to work against him to some degree.
• 40:43
  But link is going to be good in some cases because I mean this
• 40:47
  is We're in a team's running a lot more quick passing game.
• 40:54
  This guy be I get his hands up. Get ya contact the ball redirect
• 40:59
  the balls? I mean those are those really
• 41:00
  big things when you're talking about some of the offenses were
• 41:04
  playing. Now, do a quick comparison here
• 41:08
  because you said something about beagles using his arms getting
• 41:12
  down to the ball. Are you saying as far as it goes
• 41:15
  because of that length? He's better shedding block.
• 41:18
  Ox, he's not might be good. As overall is Alec Bryant, but
• 41:21
  as far as shedding blocks, getting down to the ball without
• 41:24
  being engaged. You can you see that as like,
• 41:27
  there's one thing he's better. Yeah, I mean, I would say, I
• 41:29
  would say that that's been some way a little bit more weight on
• 41:32
  him and that'll even get better because he'll be able to use
• 41:37
  that power along with that leverage.
• 41:41
  But yeah, right now, because of the way way he does use his
• 41:44
  hands and the way he has that, that just a treat, right?
• 41:48
  Look at with that link. I mean, he's able to separate a
• 41:51
  little bit better once he once he finds where the balls going
• 41:54
  in the Run game. Nice.
• 41:57
  All right. One last player here in this is
• 42:00
  a really interesting one that when you sent me over you wanted
• 42:03
  to talk about especially How deep the running back room is.
• 42:06
  But you wanted to do a little break down, a Jalen Hampton at a
• 42:10
  Georgetown prep up in Rockville. Maryland 69 ranked running back
• 42:15
  for 24/7. What did you see on his tape?
• 42:19
  That, you know, we've already got a room full of running
• 42:21
  backs. What's made him look different
• 42:23
  to where you feel maybe not this year but Sometime in the near
• 42:27
  future. He might be one of those go-to
• 42:29
  guys. I think the biggest thing is
• 42:31
  kind of his one cut homerun potential.
• 42:34
  I mean, we got we got some of that we staying but I feel like
• 42:37
  you've been even even with King. This guy's going to be someone
• 42:42
  that just with his Breakaway speed but also a little bit more
• 42:46
  size and power coming in. Could really fill that role for
• 42:50
  us especially if we're not going to have Herbert for 23 years.
• 42:56
  I think put on that. Harbert.
• 42:58
  Not a pervert is amazing. Okay, he's the ground.
• 43:01
  I mean we're not going to have him for the next street.
• 43:04
  Oh I got what you're saying. What happened in this year but
• 43:07
  he ain't unless there's some weird rule that's coming out
• 43:10
  that we can continue to. Hold on.
• 43:12
  Yes, exactly. Exactly.
• 43:13
  Yeah. You're saying this might be
• 43:16
  might have a similar type role that Herbert's going to fill
• 43:20
  immediately in the long term. And another guy be I would like
• 43:26
  To probably just pivot a little bit that we kind of got.
• 43:28
  Leave the process here. That one right the wide
• 43:32
  receivers. I don't know if you've got that
• 43:35
  on your list and talk about but I don't.
• 43:39
  But I know, you know, 61 out of, I salute of South Korea, sir,
• 43:48
  you know, insane stat line this year, eighty seven catches,
• 43:54
  1,500 yards, 20, Touchdowns and I was listening to.
• 43:59
  So in today's press conference a little earlier today and
• 44:02
  basically it's really late in the process because he was kind
• 44:05
  of focused on basketball and literally kind of focused on
• 44:10
  football this year and guess what literally helped lead his
• 44:15
  team to a State title done in South Carolina which is a very
• 44:18
  good high school football state. But one of those things coach
• 44:22
  when they talked about and it's probably why we're not
• 44:24
  discussing it here is because of now The early signing period
• 44:28
  guys like him in their senior years.
• 44:30
  Don't get looked at it much so productivity standpoint, you
• 44:35
  know, if he comes in and has you know, half of what he did in his
• 44:41
  senior year of high school, just in this career here, that would
• 44:45
  be a win for us as the Hokies. But what did you see that?
• 44:49
  Popped maybe even more bright. The biggest thing.
• 44:51
  I mean, I looked, I looked at the tape there on huddle.
• 44:54
  This guy's senior tape is Is some of the best I've seen in a
• 44:57
  bid. So biggest things he's got great
• 45:01
  vision with the ball in his hands.
• 45:04
  He has what I call game quickness.
• 45:06
  So he's not necessarily like Tyree that's going to just blow
• 45:09
  by you but when he gets the ball he's fast and he can move he's
• 45:16
  great at making the big play. Once he has the ball, he's got
• 45:20
  good Vision but he also can breaks some tackles The biggest
• 45:25
  thing I saw this going to help in this, this is going to
• 45:27
  increase his day. One potential is that he's
• 45:31
  successful running. Pretty much the entire route
• 45:33
  tree. Everything I saw was pretty much
• 45:35
  everything from the route Tree on his highlight tape.
• 45:38
  Oh, wow. The only thing I would criticize
• 45:40
  him on based on that, is that he could be a little sharper coming
• 45:43
  out of his brakes. Sometimes he would round them
• 45:48
  off. Sometimes you come out of them a
• 45:49
  little high. But other than that I mean that
• 45:53
  you use them a lot out of the backfield quick toss has as yet
• 45:55
  speak. I mean this guy is somebody that
• 45:58
  I think is potentially come in and make an immediate impact
• 46:02
  especially with some of the positions that we're going to
• 46:05
  have have to fill now that we've had since the purchase Awesome.
• 46:10
  All right well what we're going to be doing next here guys is
• 46:13
  we're going to actually talk about these departures and a
• 46:17
  couple of guys we got back. We talked about Herbert a couple
• 46:19
  times already, but we're going to go a little bit more in
• 46:22
  depth, all right. So right now, you know, looking
• 46:25
  at the portal for Virginia Tech. We have a total of 12 guys
• 46:32
  currently in the portal. And what I'm going to do is just
• 46:35
  run by name and position and we're going to we got a few
• 46:38
  things to discuss. Here, back and forth but let's
• 46:42
  start running back. We got Caleb.
• 46:45
  Stewart is in the portal currently wide receiver, which
• 46:49
  was once a position of depth not as much anymore with Jacoby
• 46:54
  Pinckney diwan. Ellis, guys, don't remember,
• 46:57
  Ellis was in the portal significantly earlier this year.
• 47:01
  Phil, Patterson has he Grimsley? Damon Hazelton offensive line.
• 47:07
  We're looking at John Harris, Joe Kane louima Hoda defensive
• 47:13
  line, Robert portrait of fourth house, gains Nathan Proctor and
• 47:20
  then the secondary, the nickel we have Khalil ladler now of
• 47:25
  these guys, we've already got six guys who have committed to
• 47:30
  other schools. So, you know, they're not coming
• 47:32
  back heard, you're going to a press conference and it was a
• 47:35
  big deal about that a lot of it loves it.
• 47:39
  Guys were actually they've been in the portal for a while.
• 47:42
  So they what they kind of either started the year, the portal or
• 47:45
  enter the portal during the season after the first four
• 47:48
  games or so we've had what maybe what 545 in the last month or so
• 47:55
  since since the bowl game but most of those guys are already
• 47:59
  in there at the either before the season started or just as as
• 48:05
  things are wrapping up for that four-game stent to start the
• 48:08
  year. Yeah, and sort of thing started
• 48:11
  shaking out when those guys kind of knew you know, you know the
• 48:15
  depth chart I'm getting further and further down the death of I
• 48:17
  want to play. I'm going to have to make a move
• 48:19
  but let's just look real quick where they're going.
• 48:21
  Just so again, landscape, where these guys are going porcher is
• 48:26
  going over to North Carolina, A&T the Hoda, going up to st.
• 48:31
  Francis of Pennsylvania. Joe canes heading back to Ilan.
• 48:38
  John Is going down to Mercer in the two big ones is Ellis is
• 48:43
  heading up to Maryland essentially where he's from and
• 48:46
  then Hazleton is going out to Mizzou, right?
• 48:50
  I'm gonna throw it to you here of all the names, not just the
• 48:53
  guys who have made the transition to other schools.
• 48:55
  But of all these names which one sort of kind of caught you off
• 48:59
  guard. The biggest one that caught me
• 49:01
  off, guard was Jacobi pygmy entering in the the portal their
• 49:07
  biggest reason for that is that That, you know, with Hazleton,
• 49:10
  seemingly moving on to a system where he can get more targets as
• 49:15
  he tries to make a push for a NFL gig.
• 49:19
  It seemed like that was going to be kind of the same role that,
• 49:23
  that ping. Me could step into and maybe,
• 49:26
  you know, take a, take a roll right away this season.
• 49:30
  The Red Zone thread kind of bigger Target.
• 49:33
  I thought that might be something that he can do pretty
• 49:36
  well right out the gate, and with him.
• 49:40
  Yeah, leaving us now. I think that kind of leaves a
• 49:42
  little bit of, I wouldn't say a whole but definitely some
• 49:45
  uncertainty at at filling, some of the stat sheet areas that
• 49:51
  Damon Hazleton field. So that would be my biggest
• 49:54
  concern of those guys. Look, most of the other guys
• 49:57
  were either already supplanted on the depth chart over.
• 50:00
  Far down the depth chart. They were you know, they were
• 50:04
  death guys. They weren't guys that were
• 50:05
  given us a lot of game day reps. So the ones that hurt her
• 50:10
  either, the guys that we expected to give us those
• 50:12
  Gameday reps this year, or guys that were already doing that,
• 50:16
  like, like Hazleton that were departing.
• 50:18
  So, yeah, definitely, definitely pick these.
• 50:22
  The one picking was a pretty big pickup Flash in last year's
• 50:25
  recruiting class cycle. He was a number three player in
• 50:29
  the state of South Carolina for 24/7.
• 50:31
  Use a four-star guys. So it's one of those things
• 50:34
  where we saw him, he, redshirted this year, okay, this makes
• 50:39
  Since when Hazleton when that was announced a few Fridays ago
• 50:41
  was like, oh man, this is good for Pinckney.
• 50:44
  Pinckney's going to probably get a lot more reps and then he puts
• 50:46
  his name in, you know we don't know what's going on behind the
• 50:50
  scenes with all these guys with the discussions.
• 50:53
  They're having not only with the coaching staff but with their
• 50:55
  own families in definitely projecting.
• 50:59
  You know, for NFL guys, if you want to make the NFL, you can
• 51:03
  have be six foot four, 220 pounds and run a four, seven,
• 51:07
  four, four six, guess what? The NFL wants.
• 51:10
  They want to see it you know, game day.
• 51:12
  Yeah. And if you were buried on depth
• 51:14
  chart, you're not going to get there.
• 51:16
  What? I did run I want to, I want to
• 51:19
  get your take on this as I kind of wrote down the three guys.
• 51:22
  I think that we're going to miss the most because of kind of what
• 51:28
  we're doing. I put three is Hezekiah Grimsley
• 51:32
  Grimsley and ran that slight roll.
• 51:34
  Until Tavian Robinson took it over.
• 51:37
  He was a all in all good teammate.
• 51:40
  Guy, you want on your squad but I'm just very worried not having
• 51:46
  that back up at the slot. Like a z where we know being
• 51:51
  coming in, he can do it that, that worries me, the other
• 51:56
  numbers to Israel. Yeah, let me finish and then you
• 51:59
  tell me what you think. Number two, I hate losing a
• 52:01
  little meddler. That guy was a rocket nickel,
• 52:05
  two years ago again, you can see a good team player when when
• 52:10
  Shh, more iconic took the role from this year.
• 52:12
  He had a couple games where he had to come in and, you know,
• 52:14
  help out. I don't see necessarily I see
• 52:18
  him more of. I feel like you could do several
• 52:21
  things clearly Nickelback up, but I feel like he could play
• 52:23
  that Rover in free safety. So again, it hurts the depth on
• 52:28
  the defensive side of the ball with a proven guy and clearly
• 52:32
  one is Hazleton, you know, he was the he was, you know, second
• 52:38
  on the team in yards as far as wide receiver goes.
• 52:40
  The team in touchdowns and him leaving is one of those things
• 52:45
  where he's coming back. He'll get the, he'll get the
• 52:47
  looks. And to be honest, you know, I
• 52:52
  think he had 34 receptions this year so that's not a boatload of
• 52:55
  receptions. He wasn't getting the touches,
• 52:59
  he doesn't get the touches on the sweeps.
• 53:01
  We saw his deficiencies across the middle where, you know, he
• 53:06
  dropped a few passes, but as a guy coming back, you would think
• 53:09
  we'll stay here and work on this.
• 53:10
  Those any disagreement with those top three or you feel the
• 53:14
  same way or do you are? Yeah, I mean do you think I'll
• 53:18
  tell you the biggest thing with Hezekiah leaving is going to be
• 53:21
  that leadership and the wide receiver room not having that
• 53:26
  we're definitely going to feel some of that.
• 53:27
  I mean, I feel confident that he's still young, but the trades
• 53:31
  going to pick up a lot of that slack at the same time, you
• 53:34
  know, it can't be understated. Having having a guy with that
• 53:38
  much experience in the room. So losing him even if it was
• 53:42
  just going to be in a in a mostly Reserve role coming into
• 53:45
  the season is definitely going to hurt some.
• 53:48
  I'm with you on Hazelton as like I said I'm the biggest thing I
• 53:51
  see is that when we started the year with Willis at quarterback
• 53:56
  by default we were going to be slinging the ball.
• 53:58
  A pretty good amount once that went South and hooker took over
• 54:02
  hooker did well but hookers not going to be throwing 30 times
• 54:06
  again. Like we were with Willis.
• 54:10
  So you know, obviously there's fewer targets to go around.
• 54:15
  You've had some younger guys step up and all of a sudden
• 54:17
  Hazleton is not getting the touches.
• 54:19
  He was expecting so that that hurts.
• 54:21
  I see you. I see why that went down at the
• 54:24
  same time. You know, having someone that
• 54:27
  has experience with, with our Personnel would have been big
• 54:32
  time this year. So I feel like that's definitely
• 54:34
  going to hurt as well. And, you know, your third one
• 54:37
  that you mentioned R ladler. I mean, I don't think we win UNC
• 54:43
  without what he did in that game, especially in the over X.
• 54:47
  So that means just having that depth, and that ability to have
• 54:52
  somebody come in knows what he's doing.
• 54:55
  Can play multiple positions, the versatility and the skill.
• 54:58
  I mean, that's going to be hard to replace even if he's not the
• 55:01
  guy that's at the top of the depth chart is at his position.
• 55:05
  Yeah agreed. And you know but maybe there's
• 55:09
  guys, you know, I think we've got what Jr.
• 55:11
  Walker cup of these other guys we haven't seen.
• 55:14
  So for us, it's definitely a worry, but maybe as we get into
• 55:19
  Spring ball, some of those questions will become
• 55:21
  unanswered. I know we don't have as much
• 55:23
  access to a lot of people complain about that, and one of
• 55:26
  them I'm like, do not have to travel to Blacksburg to see the
• 55:30
  spring game when other things, as much as we enjoyed going up
• 55:33
  there. Being here to be able to flip on
• 55:37
  a television, or pull up a live feed, and just or replay ready.
• 55:41
  Yeah. Are you doing some highlights?
• 55:43
  So I can see something. Exactly.
• 55:46
  So, we'll slowly start finding out but you know, as much as we
• 55:50
  wanted to cry the portal, we're losing players that we lost a
• 55:53
  couple guys, but we also run. You want to looked up these guys
• 55:57
  and did some research on them. We actually came to guys who
• 56:01
  have proven at a division. One football level, they can
• 56:05
  play, Play. And I'm going to look here
• 56:07
  because we've mentioned this name.
• 56:09
  One time already in the podcast. Just tell me what you got on.
• 56:14
  Khalil, Herbert the running back.
• 56:16
  Grad transferring from Kansas, we got them for this year.
• 56:18
  What do you see? So biggest thing I'm seeing this
• 56:21
  guy's, he's a Bruiser, but he's got an extra gear.
• 56:24
  So that's kind of what you are talking about a between the
• 56:26
  tackles guy, but a guy that when he gets past that first second
• 56:30
  level can make things happen, get those extra yards, break
• 56:34
  those big runs. Um, the biggest thing I've seen
• 56:38
  deficiency was he needs to work on patients at the point of
• 56:41
  attack when running from the shotgun sets.
• 56:43
  Which, of course, you know, that's what we mostly run out
• 56:46
  of. Sometimes he gets bottled up in
• 56:50
  his track and doesn't quite get to where he needs to.
• 56:54
  With the way, the blocking get set up, does a lot better in?
• 56:59
  I formation and Pistol sets, which we don't necessarily run a
• 57:03
  ton of obviously But when he's running downhill, his vision is
• 57:07
  a lot better. So I think that that's going to
• 57:12
  be interesting to see if he makes any strides in those
• 57:14
  areas. But I mean, it's a guy where if
• 57:19
  it's between the tackles, he gets to the next level, he can
• 57:21
  make some big things happen. I know.
• 57:23
  Everybody's talking about the, the BC game being kind of, the,
• 57:29
  his highlight reel, where he ripped off.
• 57:32
  A bunch of big runs against them and had had a really career for,
• 57:35
  Foreman. So if he can do a lot more that
• 57:38
  consistently with us, then we're going to have somebody that we
• 57:42
  can really depend on. All right, let me ask this
• 57:45
  because you make the point is going from shotgun.
• 57:48
  Do you think in the offense we run?
• 57:51
  Do we have the capabilities? I'm not going to say going under
• 57:53
  Center for a, but I think we've got the table.
• 57:55
  Billy's, take a pistol tight formation with Hendon and, you
• 57:59
  know, some of the stuff we do. You can do you see maybe in
• 58:03
  Spring ball? We're looking at.
• 58:04
  We're seeing we're running a little more pistol or do you
• 58:07
  think we're going to hate? We're going to make them adjust
• 58:09
  to what end of those. Well hendon's 16 games he's
• 58:13
  lost. 83 by less than 10 points combined.
• 58:18
  Yeah. Be I think at this point is
• 58:19
  going to be the coaches have is going to see what they have and
• 58:22
  see if they can do. I mean I don't think they're
• 58:24
  going to say now we're not doing this because it doesn't fit in
• 58:28
  our our scheme. I think they will play to some
• 58:32
  of the strengths of the of the Personnel.
• 58:36
  I mean, we saw some of that with even the switch from from Willis
• 58:40
  to went into hooker, came in. I mean, we was a differently
• 58:43
  called game. So I think you might see some of
• 58:46
  that get adapted to fit more of Herbert's Herbert style.
• 58:51
  I don't know if you'll see a bunch of bunch of those pistols.
• 58:54
  That's what you might see a few, a game and you also might see
• 59:00
  them maybe stagger the depth of the running back even in a
• 59:03
  shotgun formation so he can kind of see the as his eyes towards
• 59:07
  the line of scrimmage a little bit more when he takes the
• 59:09
  handoff versus a more traditional either.
• 59:14
  Either parallel or you know one yard stack type thing that you
• 59:18
  would see with a usual shotgun formation.
• 59:23
  Now as sad as I was to see Hezekiah Grimsley leave you know
• 59:27
  especially with you know knowing he's that solid debt piece.
• 59:31
  It wasn't long after he made his departure that we got the
• 59:35
  commitment from Raheem Blackshear out of Rutgers and
• 59:38
  then I was like running back. Oh boy the roof will, huh?
• 59:43
  We're up to 1,000 now. Now, saw some tape, read some
• 59:48
  stats and I know you want even more in-depth.
• 59:50
  This this guy isn't just a running back.
• 59:52
  This guy is a Swiss Army knife That's exactly what he is a
• 59:58
  Swiss army knife. So I watching tape on this guy,
• 1:00:02
  the biggest thing, I mean, he kind of reminds me a little bit
• 1:00:05
  of Darren Sproles, who little bit of Darren Sproles but maybe
• 1:00:13
  even a touch of Percy Harvin and there.
• 1:00:15
  No, I'm not saying total ability wise, I'm were saying, skill
• 1:00:19
  set, he's got those tools where he can you know, catch swing
• 1:00:24
  pass, catcher screen. And he's going to run some, some
• 1:00:29
  slant, some Corners, some outs, some digs, I mean he's he can
• 1:00:33
  run those routes but he's also going to be the guy that can
• 1:00:35
  take the ball out of the backfield from the shotgun, from
• 1:00:39
  on a toss, things like that. So he's going to really be a
• 1:00:42
  guy. That's got things going to come
• 1:00:44
  in and have some instant impact just because of the versatility
• 1:00:46
  has and he does have speed. So when he, when he gets gets an
• 1:00:52
  opening, he can he can hit the home run.
• 1:00:54
  So I think that's that's the big thing.
• 1:00:56
  We'll see from him. He really excels, I'd say even
• 1:01:01
  more in the passing game than he does.
• 1:01:02
  On the running game with their swings and screens and short
• 1:01:05
  passes. Brian.
• 1:01:08
  Do you think he has the ability to play the the y?
• 1:01:10
  Or you think he strictly a slide?
• 1:01:13
  I think he's going to be more of the sludge it's because of the
• 1:01:16
  his route tree right now I don't necessarily see him running goes
• 1:01:21
  or anything like that. Pose that he's not he's not
• 1:01:24
  running a lot of deep routes he's not doing a lot of The
• 1:01:28
  Comebacks or anything like that. He's mostly doing Slants things.
• 1:01:32
  Over the middle things on the outside occasionally it'll rot
• 1:01:35
  corner but mostly he's catching swings and screens.
• 1:01:38
  So I think he's more going to be a guy that does things like
• 1:01:42
  that. He'll be at Jet Sweep thread as
• 1:01:44
  well. Obviously, we run a lot of jet
• 1:01:46
  sweeps. I know that's a running joke,
• 1:01:48
  amongst some of the the Twitter Circle there about the Jet Sweep
• 1:01:53
  call. But, you know, if we utilize it,
• 1:01:55
  he's going to be a big, a big thread in that game.
• 1:01:58
  So we're going to see if you do a lot of things but I think
• 1:02:01
  mostly from the sliding from the running back position.
• 1:02:04
  Well, it's only made fun of when it doesn't work, when we run the
• 1:02:07
  Jet Sweep and trade, Turner takes 162 the house.
• 1:02:09
  It's like, oh, That's what we need to do every time.
• 1:02:14
  But, you know, from obviously being a coaching alignment,
• 1:02:18
  perfect execution on jet sweeps, and around, and reverses are
• 1:02:23
  highly difficult. Well, I mean, we ran a lot of
• 1:02:26
  Jet Sweep into Sydney as well. So I remember blocking those
• 1:02:28
  things. I remember that.
• 1:02:32
  If the defense has the right call on, it's going to be a very
• 1:02:35
  ugly play. But if they don't have the right
• 1:02:37
  call on, we could take it to the house.
• 1:02:39
  So that's kind of that's the risk reward with the Jet Sweep.
• 1:02:44
  And there you go again, folks while we're gonna give you some
• 1:02:47
  more X's and O's from a guy who actually played at a Collegiate
• 1:02:51
  level and coached at the high school level, we've discussed.
• 1:02:54
  Now the Virginia Tech transfer portal that for this year.
• 1:02:58
  You did some research, we like, The only program that has these.
• 1:03:03
  No way. We're not the only program,
• 1:03:07
  right? These other guys, they're
• 1:03:09
  transferring to or we just the lone exception, everybody
• 1:03:11
  transfers from Tech nowhere else.
• 1:03:13
  Well, we've got actually a good number just in the ACC alone.
• 1:03:16
  If we take a look at it, you're right there with us being Miami
• 1:03:21
  with 14, always 14? Yeah.
• 1:03:24
  Yeah, fortunately, they exceeded us.
• 1:03:27
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:03:28
  Oh God. So again, that's that's counting
• 1:03:30
  guys. I kind of guys that have put
• 1:03:33
  their name of the Portland came back.
• 1:03:34
  That's guys that are either still in the portal or of
• 1:03:36
  already transferred. Well, how many did they have
• 1:03:39
  excuse me? How did they have in the portal
• 1:03:41
  that came back? I think they had they had one
• 1:03:44
  that came back and then the rest are either still in the portal
• 1:03:49
  or have already announced where they're transferring.
• 1:03:52
  All right, so what else did we see?
• 1:03:55
  What about some of our other competition?
• 1:03:57
  You know, Carolina. So the biggest ones we got Ducat
• 1:04:01
  11f issue at 11:00 ufs, you probably a little different
• 1:04:04
  scenario there with coaching change, but Duke sitting there
• 1:04:10
  right at 11. I don't hear anyone out there
• 1:04:12
  complaining about what David cutcliffe is done.
• 1:04:16
  At that program. Granted they don't have a
• 1:04:18
  history of winning like we do it virginia.com.
• 1:04:21
  At the same time, you know, 11 is still a big number.
• 1:04:25
  I don't think that we're seeing we're seeing a correlation
• 1:04:27
  between number of people in the transfer portal and Job quality
• 1:04:32
  by the coaching staff or by the by the team in general.
• 1:04:37
  NC state has 10 in there. UNC has nine Pitt, Se7en wake 7
• 1:04:42
  Louisville 7 BC 7. This is not necessarily
• 1:04:49
  something that we're we're saying is an indication of
• 1:04:52
  coaching and more. Just a new normal for the
• 1:04:55
  landscape of college football. And a lot of teams are still
• 1:04:59
  adjusting to what that means. And some of what we're
• 1:05:04
  experiencing is directly tied to the fact that most of our
• 1:05:09
  starters are Redshirt sophomores or younger because that's going
• 1:05:13
  to mean any guy that's in that same class or younger and even
• 1:05:17
  some of the older guys that are in a grad transfer position are
• 1:05:21
  probably saying, let me go somewhere where I can get a year
• 1:05:24
  or two a playing time in versus sitting behind this young buck.
• 1:05:28
  That's already been been kind of planted in the store.
• 1:05:31
  Roll. So, I think that's the biggest
• 1:05:34
  thing we're seeing right now. I mean, even outside of the ACC,
• 1:05:37
  you know, Tennessee has 10 Arkansas, 13, Michigan, 11, Penn
• 1:05:41
  State Penn State had a big number last year as well,
• 1:05:46
  Oklahoma's got 12 and Oklahoma was in the playoff this year.
• 1:05:50
  Yes. I mean, this is not exactly
• 1:05:52
  something that like I said, indicative of where a coaching
• 1:05:56
  staff is, how players care about a program.
• 1:05:59
  I mean, it's just the new Landscape of what college
• 1:06:02
  football is going to be until some of these programs get
• 1:06:05
  adjusted to what it means for. Well, I mean, I'm with you on, I
• 1:06:10
  think this is the new normal in. Even you talking about
• 1:06:13
  adjusting, I even think it's programs adjust, its going to
• 1:06:16
  stay The New Normal because in my opinion I don't think it's a
• 1:06:21
  certain college football. If anything, the way I see it is
• 1:06:26
  this is potentially helping the non blue blood or the non-elite.
• 1:06:32
  Sort of that like 15 to 40 range.
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  Kind of where Tech has been sitting during the latter years
• 1:06:37
  of Frank on into the Fuente era. We're not a leak, but this is
• 1:06:43
  kind of helping us because we can go out and say, hey, that
• 1:06:46
  kids can play, he's four string there, he gets in the portal,
• 1:06:51
  let's go recruit ins where the elite teams can continue to
• 1:06:54
  restock. Five stars, how four stars?
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  What do you think? Do you see it that way or do you
• 1:07:00
  see it differently? It is hurting college football's
• 1:07:02
  to hurting the product that's being put on the field by the
• 1:07:05
  program's. I think, in the short term we're
• 1:07:08
  seeing some ill effects only because people don't know.
• 1:07:13
  What they're expecting and it is brand-new and it's scary and it
• 1:07:16
  feels different and it feels like, okay, well, these kids are
• 1:07:21
  quitting on a program but it's not that I think we're seeing
• 1:07:25
  kids that are saying, okay, some of the things that I had planned
• 1:07:30
  on when I came here are quite playing out the way I wanted to.
• 1:07:33
  Let me see if there's another program, whether power 5 weather
• 1:07:37
  division ones, you know, a lot of these kids are going to, you
• 1:07:42
  know? D 1A schools, you know,
• 1:07:45
  transferring the schools like JMU transfer into schools, like
• 1:07:48
  William and Mary coming out of power, 5 school, when they're
• 1:07:52
  leaving. So, I mean, some of these kids
• 1:07:55
  would you just want to play that they, they know that their
• 1:07:58
  career isn't football, and they just want to get on the field
• 1:08:01
  for two or three years and I think that's a good thing for
• 1:08:05
  them. And I don't think that's a
• 1:08:06
  negative for us. Now, I don't think it's a
• 1:08:10
  negative at all for us. I think the big thing is that
• 1:08:12
  it's new and it's adjustment and we're trying to figure out how
• 1:08:16
  to handle these situations and, you know, how to have honest
• 1:08:21
  conversations with the kids about what it means when they
• 1:08:23
  put their name in there. And I think we're still figuring
• 1:08:27
  that out as evidenced by some of the comments that have been made
• 1:08:32
  and some of the on Twitter and some of the comments that were
• 1:08:34
  made by Wednesday at the February 5th.
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  The February February 5th interview.
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  I mean it's it's been a it's been an ongoing process and I'm
• 1:08:48
  hoping that people start taking it one, you know.
• 1:08:54
  Assessing it one player at a time and not just blanketing.
• 1:08:58
  Well, if kids Lee Virginia Tech, it's a bad thing.
• 1:09:04
  Agreed and going back to those comments from Fuente on the
• 1:09:08
  February 5th. Presser most publicity, we've
• 1:09:12
  gotten in quite some time. From the mothership on, get
• 1:09:15
  outta that forgot about 30 words.
• 1:09:17
  He said that actually would have put it in a better context but
• 1:09:22
  you know, they won't click. They won't hit when I, you know,
• 1:09:27
  we said it we know the piece us who are fans Read the entire
• 1:09:32
  transcript and said, oh, why is this controversial?
• 1:09:35
  This isn't controversial. This is a norm here.
• 1:09:38
  So you know, we moved on the media, took it out of
• 1:09:42
  proportion, but I'm going to kind of flip and stay on the
• 1:09:47
  subject. Although I don't think it's
• 1:09:48
  hurting college football. I think it's really going to be
• 1:09:52
  hurting High School. Recruiting a ton.
• 1:09:54
  Because now not so much. Your higher rank guys, guys, who
• 1:09:58
  are getting looks and multiple offers.
• 1:10:00
  But more of your guys with one offer just one team likes on
• 1:10:05
  because now those guys used to get that offer extended, you
• 1:10:10
  know, literally today over the day before Signing Day, that's
• 1:10:15
  how we got Luther, Maddie and daddy, Nicholas literally, they
• 1:10:18
  were two star, guys, got the offer day before signing day
• 1:10:21
  because we had the room still. Those are the guys that I think
• 1:10:26
  are going to kind of be in a bad spot because teams are going to
• 1:10:29
  be looking to say. Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  We can take a risk with this guy, but that guy over here.
• 1:10:33
  Can you give me doubt? And I know he can play.
• 1:10:36
  So, I hate it for those guys who don't get on the radar till late
• 1:10:42
  because potentially schools are not going to offer them
• 1:10:46
  scholarships and they're kind of going to be on the Wayside and
• 1:10:50
  have to make a decision whether to go to a lower division or go
• 1:10:53
  to Juco. What do you feel about that?
• 1:10:56
  Yeah. So we have talked about this I
• 1:10:59
  decided that that Tampa Bay Times article about Bob, but
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  yeah, that I mentioned to you, you know, a lot of schools down
• 1:11:06
  because of the transfer portal, is the opportunity that it
• 1:11:08
  presents for some of the school's.
• 1:11:10
  They're starting to hold back. The scholarship offers and
• 1:11:13
  saving, you know, clean to the five scholarships every year
• 1:11:17
  for, for transfers, and before it was more one or two, you
• 1:11:22
  know, you might have one or two either Juco, guys that get
• 1:11:26
  picked up, or, you know, like a graduate transfer.
• 1:11:30
  For something like that. But you didn't have, you know,
• 1:11:33
  quite this no-holds-barred situation that we're we're
• 1:11:37
  having now. And like I said I think that's
• 1:11:39
  the biggest thing that we're talking about with this
• 1:11:40
  adjustment but I think it's definitely hurting some of those
• 1:11:44
  those high school recruits that are on the cusp of getting, you
• 1:11:47
  know, a D1 offer on the cusp of getting a power five offer.
• 1:11:51
  I mean those those are the guys that are getting hurt by this
• 1:11:53
  because those late in the cycle offerings are now being held
• 1:11:57
  back because hey, some some A four-star guy might put their
• 1:12:02
  name in the portal either, right before the deadline, or right
• 1:12:05
  after the deadline. And I mean, they want to
• 1:12:08
  maximize their potential there. So they're holding back those
• 1:12:11
  this Collies. Yeah.
• 1:12:13
  Agreed gonna move on. Kind of talking about the portal
• 1:12:18
  itself, and I decided to do some digging because that 2018 portal
• 1:12:23
  was so polarizing to, for jigna Tech.
• 1:12:27
  We've never seen an exodus like it.
• 1:12:30
  You know, people are the program's falling apart.
• 1:12:33
  We're losing all these guys. What's going on the cultures?
• 1:12:36
  Bad, well, I dug a little bit and just kind of wanted to see
• 1:12:41
  okay these guys that love Left. Where did they go?
• 1:12:45
  What did they do? Not going to hit all of them but
• 1:12:48
  going to hit some guys that I feel were the the biggest names
• 1:12:55
  and potential impacts on us in the 2019 season and part of the
• 1:13:01
  2018 season 2 so on. Right, I'm going to start with
• 1:13:06
  Josh Jackson. Okay, clearly JJ JJ quarterback
• 1:13:10
  of the 2017 team. No good solid season for us.
• 1:13:16
  He transferred to Maryland under Mike locksley and I kind of feel
• 1:13:23
  for JJ in this case because this is kind of, this is his stat
• 1:13:26
  line don't cringe, JJ played in 10 games, his completion
• 1:13:30
  percentage was 47%, he had 1274 yards, 12 touchdowns versus six
• 1:13:38
  interceptions Maryland's, 3 & 9. Now, Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  No, I don't think this is an indictment on Joshua.
• 1:13:47
  I think Josh is a good player. I just think Marilyn was a bad
• 1:13:50
  team to me. Mike locksley has never proven,
• 1:13:55
  he can be a head coach, if you? I think he may have one of the
• 1:13:58
  worst winning percentages as a head coach between his time in
• 1:14:02
  New Mexico, the instrument Maryland and last season but I
• 1:14:08
  kind of set here and just wanted to get your perspective because
• 1:14:11
  you're Josh broke his leg at the end.
• 1:14:14
  What do you think happens if Josh Jackson stays healthy?
• 1:14:16
  In 2018? Number retrospect, the
• 1:14:19
  retrospect so healthy JJ for the whole year so about where,
• 1:14:24
  whether what our record would have been that year, or yeah,
• 1:14:28
  where do you think he would have been?
• 1:14:29
  What are you telling me? We were six and seven.
• 1:14:31
  Are we better than that? Or we the same or we, you know,
• 1:14:34
  where do you think we are? If I think what JJ gave us the
• 1:14:39
  you know we didn't get once Ryan Willis came in there.
• 1:14:43
  Is that he gave us a steady hand at the position.
• 1:14:46
  He gave us better decision-making and crunch time.
• 1:14:51
  He gave us a little bit more of a running thread.
• 1:14:55
  Once he got down hill, he wasn't quite as much of a Speedster,
• 1:14:59
  but if he got out on the edge, getting the open, he could, he
• 1:15:03
  could make some things happen with his legs.
• 1:15:07
  I think we're, at least two moons better.
• 1:15:09
  Probably if he's healthy all year.
• 1:15:11
  Maybe three. But The same time, you know,
• 1:15:14
  it's a hindsight situations, very hard hypothetical to really
• 1:15:18
  put your finger on but I think we're two to three wins better.
• 1:15:21
  If we had JJ that whole season, just because of the
• 1:15:24
  decision-making standpoint in some of those, those November
• 1:15:28
  and late, October ACC matchups where we struggled.
• 1:15:32
  Yeah, we're sometimes I look at the Notre Dame game and a couple
• 1:15:37
  of Willis's turnovers. I don't Josh was much more, much
• 1:15:42
  more. Or conservatives much more
• 1:15:45
  protect the ball. If I protect the ball they don't
• 1:15:48
  have the opportunity to do anything we're in the Notre Dame
• 1:15:50
  game, couple of those turnovers really switched that game and
• 1:15:54
  don't like that game. Sort of spiraled to the pit and
• 1:16:00
  the Georgia Tech and the BC games afterwards.
• 1:16:03
  Right? Around that time.
• 1:16:04
  So yeah, I'm with you on that. We'll look at a few more guys
• 1:16:08
  here, Brian, and just kind of give you my thoughts on them.
• 1:16:12
  Eric cool. Transfer to ODU the wide
• 1:16:16
  receiver. He waiting for game.
• 1:16:18
  So he redshirted this year, I'm not sure if that was injuries.
• 1:16:23
  I didn't go that deep, but when I see Gothic 4 games clearly
• 1:16:27
  he's taking the red shirt. So 18 perceptions 192 yards.
• 1:16:31
  No touchdowns I think his story is incomplete still.
• 1:16:34
  He's got one more year to see what he can do.
• 1:16:38
  Now, I will say this one thing I'll say about are Kuma people
• 1:16:42
  tried to get on social media and say he was the cause he was the
• 1:16:46
  guy, very cool. It play through a broken hand
• 1:16:48
  and Marshall. He did all that game.
• 1:16:51
  No, yeah, anyone that just doesn't it's not aware of what
• 1:16:57
  was going on in the program and what was going on with him
• 1:17:00
  personally. So, that's been my take on are
• 1:17:04
  Akuma. I mean, I think he did.
• 1:17:05
  What was best for him, given the circumstances and given the
• 1:17:09
  amount of young talent that was coming up behind him?
• 1:17:11
  I think he did the best for him. Don't, I don't think, at any
• 1:17:14
  point, I questioned his toughness or his willingness to
• 1:17:16
  go out there and compete for a woman.
• 1:17:19
  Now another big name that left that last year was Sean Savoy
• 1:17:23
  wide receiver. He went to Maryland.
• 1:17:25
  Josh Jackson switch to defensive back, part of way through the
• 1:17:30
  year last year. And as of late November, he was
• 1:17:33
  not on that team. And back in the portal, my heart
• 1:17:37
  always breaks for Shan Shan with your personal tragedy that he
• 1:17:39
  did share, you know, kind of with the public.
• 1:17:43
  Exxon through social media and when he transferred up there, to
• 1:17:47
  be closer to homes from the DC area, it makes sense.
• 1:17:49
  It's like, yes, you go handle that business.
• 1:17:51
  You're still as he won school and I'm hoping that giving him
• 1:17:56
  some stability and hopefully, where he lands next, generally
• 1:17:59
  help him because that freshman year with him, the promise he
• 1:18:02
  showed in that slot role, how hard he played, and the one
• 1:18:07
  lasting memory for me. Remember that VC game?
• 1:18:10
  Yeah, he killed them single-handedly.
• 1:18:13
  They did not know how to stop him.
• 1:18:14
  He had like nine catches for 140 yards and a touchdown.
• 1:18:17
  They were just like what do we do?
• 1:18:20
  And he's out there. Just stroking them so I if so
• 1:18:22
  Sean, Savoy hope he lands somewhere.
• 1:18:25
  Hope, you know, the personal life is getting better because
• 1:18:27
  that that was a good kid and I think circumstances he had to
• 1:18:31
  leave. I don't think he didn't, we did.
• 1:18:33
  I just think he knew what he was what was going on in in real
• 1:18:37
  life and he made that decision. Let me ask you.
• 1:18:45
  This was the most controversial transfer of last year.
• 1:18:48
  Controversial controversial. We do material and he'll, oh,
• 1:18:54
  without a doubt, any player that walks across the stage at
• 1:18:59
  graduation and throws up the youth.
• 1:19:01
  So controversial, oh my God, good player to coming out of,
• 1:19:05
  you know, high school, high rated.
• 1:19:09
  Some people felt like he was the best technique defensive in
• 1:19:12
  because that was like the Josh sweat class and stuff now for
• 1:19:16
  us, nobody knows what went on that locker room at ODU but the
• 1:19:21
  players and the coach, Just ask. We don't know maybe one day,
• 1:19:26
  it'll come down, I'm gonna guess not, I feel like both, you know,
• 1:19:29
  the staff, the players and Trayvon close that book.
• 1:19:34
  And if you went down to Miami, boo, but he had a solid season.
• 1:19:38
  27, tackles nine and a half times.
• 1:19:40
  The last four and a half sacks. Had a solid game.
• 1:19:44
  You know. I think he had four tackles a
• 1:19:46
  tackle for loss in a sack. We played on, we beat him.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah. But you know, That's the one no
• 1:19:53
  one's ever gonna know. That's the one where we could
• 1:19:55
  sit here and, like, write a story in everyone, whatever way
• 1:19:59
  you go, you could believe it. Absolutely.
• 1:20:01
  I'll say this about it. I mean, obviously the exit
• 1:20:04
  wasn't graceful at all. But as far as his presence on
• 1:20:09
  Twitter, his back and forth and some former players, it seems
• 1:20:12
  like nothing but love and you know, you even called him giving
• 1:20:18
  giving the Hokie some props after we had our turnaround
• 1:20:21
  after Oh, Duke there. So you know, I don't think
• 1:20:24
  there's necessarily love lost with with the fans or with the
• 1:20:28
  with the players. I'm I think it's more of, it was
• 1:20:31
  just something happened in the locker room and like I said, I
• 1:20:35
  don't know if we'll ever get the full story on it, but, you know,
• 1:20:38
  it seems like other than than throwing up the you at
• 1:20:42
  graduation. There's there's nothing but
• 1:20:46
  love, coming back to Virginia Tech even though he's a, he's a
• 1:20:50
  hurricane now. So All right, I got three more
• 1:20:54
  guys. I want to hit and then we'll
• 1:20:57
  move on. Remember cam, good situation in
• 1:21:01
  the summer, only? Yeah, about that.
• 1:21:06
  Oh my God, releasing the scholarship.
• 1:21:08
  Like, at the end of July in 2018 and then he comes in comments.
• 1:21:13
  The despite the split was it? Mutual you're like, oh crap,
• 1:21:16
  what the heck? No one knows again.
• 1:21:19
  Same like Trayvon, some people. It was probably he was promised
• 1:21:24
  playing time and he came out of camp out of shape.
• 1:21:26
  We don't know, he set out, he went to UCF, he played six games
• 1:21:31
  last year. Seven tackles as a redshirt
• 1:21:33
  freshman and it is looking like he is going to be a part of
• 1:21:36
  their too deep for us. It really hurt 2018 because I
• 1:21:43
  think we all looked at his size and thought he's gonna be on the
• 1:21:46
  2D for the defensive tackle. It's not useful to be Ricky and
• 1:21:49
  Jared up front. He's going to be in there,
• 1:21:50
  helping in that year. It clearly showed though that we
• 1:21:56
  missed missing and letting him go.
• 1:21:59
  We cannot stop the run. Couldn't stop the run.
• 1:22:01
  He had players constantly injured at the position we were
• 1:22:04
  putting in guys that had never seen rep and guys that in some
• 1:22:07
  cases probably wouldn't have seen reps other than garbage
• 1:22:11
  time. So I mean that's that's what
• 1:22:15
  that's what we're end up working with their.
• 1:22:16
  I mean, he was definitely somebody that I thought was at
• 1:22:18
  least gonna see some rotational Duty, you know year one probably
• 1:22:25
  not going to Redshirt going to be a guy that's gonna gonna be
• 1:22:28
  in there in a run stopping Roll, Just because of his size and you
• 1:22:32
  know, whatever happened, definitely put us in a bind at
• 1:22:37
  that position, especially for 2018.
• 1:22:40
  But even to a small degree in 2019 because Some of the changes
• 1:22:44
  that we made to the recruiting cycle was meant to plug up the
• 1:22:52
  big depth issue. We had that position and part of
• 1:22:54
  that was due to two cam changing course there.
• 1:22:59
  It. Yeah, and it stunk because I
• 1:23:02
  mean you think, I don't think we take the two guys out of the
• 1:23:05
  Mississippi. Juco, if cams, there may be one,
• 1:23:08
  not both. Although, you know, Crawford
• 1:23:12
  came in immediately showed he was an impact guy.
• 1:23:15
  So, you know, some things work out and clearly those other two
• 1:23:18
  kids from Florida, they're they're doing it as well.
• 1:23:21
  So yeah, I'm going to say this name and then just kind of laugh
• 1:23:26
  and move on Bryce. Watch cornerback who went to you
• 1:23:29
  and See who's from New Jersey. Who in his, if you remember that
• 1:23:33
  with the Tweet, Brian, it was. Yeah, I need to transfer to be
• 1:23:36
  closer to home and think. Oh, great.
• 1:23:38
  Cool Rutgers or maybe even pin. Stay maybe Marilyn.
• 1:23:42
  I'm goin to Carolina. What?
• 1:23:43
  Wait, folks? Hold on.
• 1:23:46
  But that's anything. Any comments on that gentleman.
• 1:23:51
  I mean, are we talking is this the max round Factor?
• 1:23:55
  Like what is, is that the only thing that was at play there?
• 1:23:59
  For a blonde. Maybe wants to put on a good
• 1:24:02
  face before he drops the hammer. Yes.
• 1:24:06
  Yeah. Who knows?
• 1:24:08
  And, but I think for us, we might have we got lucky on that
• 1:24:12
  because I think having Jermaine Waller and you know, Caleb,
• 1:24:19
  they're clearly out. There's clearly a class in
• 1:24:22
  themselves, so maybe him leaving open the doors for both those
• 1:24:25
  guys and boom. Last guy want to touch because I
• 1:24:28
  can remember this guy play. Enrico kerenyi.
• 1:24:31
  I feel like this was just an attrition loss were so deep at
• 1:24:33
  linebacker. You know that first year he
• 1:24:37
  played you saw the flashes but you had back to you had Richard
• 1:24:42
  Tisdale was in there. Keyshawn artist whose
• 1:24:44
  redshirting he leave him in there rotating.
• 1:24:59
  Yeah, and I'm started. I'm also wondering besides the
• 1:25:02
  depth chart. He's from Jacksonville.
• 1:25:05
  He went to UCF not that far of a drive, maybe one of those
• 1:25:08
  things. Well, I'm not going to see as
• 1:25:09
  much playing time here if I'm not going to see a bunch of
• 1:25:12
  playing time, I'd rather be playing somewhere close to home
• 1:25:15
  and that's going to be those guys.
• 1:25:17
  So that's sort of the guys. I see that week, the way I
• 1:25:20
  opinion goes I look at all of them you know.
• 1:25:23
  No one went out there and you know, shattered records or
• 1:25:28
  played To a All-American level, we don't get me wrong.
• 1:25:32
  Losing Trayvon, he'll a defensive in was hurting losing
• 1:25:36
  Josh, I think hurts because having continually quarterback
• 1:25:39
  would have been better. But overall I think the guys
• 1:25:43
  that love for whatever reason as much as people were screaming,
• 1:25:47
  everything's on fire. We're going to be terrible.
• 1:25:50
  I think a lot of people were wrong.
• 1:25:53
  Yeah. I mean, I think we're probably
• 1:25:54
  going to see some similar tight situations with the guys that
• 1:25:57
  are in the portal. Now, both the Ones that have
• 1:26:00
  left in the, those that are still looking for landing spots.
• 1:26:04
  I mean, you know, there's probably going to be one or two
• 1:26:07
  of those guys that end up being difference makers on another
• 1:26:10
  team but most of them are probably either going to go to,
• 1:26:14
  you know, a smaller school or non power 5 school so they can
• 1:26:19
  get some playing time and contribute their, you know, I
• 1:26:22
  don't think you're going to see a ton of these guys transfer
• 1:26:26
  power, 5 and end up being difference makers, I think
• 1:26:29
  Hazleton probably, maybe the exception to that, maybe Jacoby
• 1:26:33
  Pinckney. But other than that, I mean I
• 1:26:37
  think it's going to be similar to the things that we've seen
• 1:26:40
  with with the last couple here is that we're will see guys that
• 1:26:44
  that hit the portal, that go somewhere.
• 1:26:47
  That's a good fit for them. Where they think they can get
• 1:26:49
  more playing time or have more visibility or do these just
• 1:26:54
  closer to home and works for them.
• 1:26:58
  Curtis, I did want to bring up something with you though.
• 1:27:03
  I know the big buzz on Twitter right now is the sons of
• 1:27:05
  Saturday podcast with John yet, see ya.
• 1:27:10
  Shout Out, Billy Ray, Pat, Finn and Grace, and that was awesome.
• 1:27:17
  For a lot of the naysayers on Twitter.
• 1:27:21
  I think let's see set a lot of things that maybe people are
• 1:27:25
  willing to hear from the head guy but it kind of opened some
• 1:27:29
  eyes up to what happened with this you know, 20 20 recruiting
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  class I just think it's insane. I mean run.
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  You work at a major university here in the state.
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  I work for a you know, fools Forbes, 100 company and when
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  you're talking about what the thing with just canner.
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  Yeah, like a descent job, someone with that level of
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  influence on the recruiting cycle.
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  Being the only guy that knows the Trade Secrets, what was it?
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  He's the only guy with the notes because I might not know what
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  all the Trade Secrets. I mean in the position I do but,
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  you know, we're kind of required to document things.
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  Yeah, in my industry, its compliance stuff, but we got a
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  document because who knows when you know my kids sick and I got
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  to be out two days if I don't have my files, documented people
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  are like what's going on? And in this case saying he's the
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  only one that had the notes. You're kind of wondering why
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  didn't anybody within? Hey John.
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  Let's I think, let's see what he would have been like, what 1920
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  at the time. Think it's best to rain.
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  She's working in there. So my didn't just say, hey, you
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  know, you think we should have these notes to so you can start
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  teaching us. And I can't imagine the scenario
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  where there's one knowledge holder and there's, there's no
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  one that can step in and do at least 80% of the job.
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  If that one person departs or something else happens, you
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  know, whatever it may be. Be there should at least be
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  somebody in that organization within that use of the team that
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  at least those how to do 70 days percent of what what Chuck was
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  doing on a day-to-day basis or at least have the notes to try
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  to learn on the Fly. So yeah, that was pretty well to
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  see that, another thing, but I know you kind of looked into it.
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  I mean, we're 16 years behind on, the recruiting department,
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  in reality compared to the Top Notch, punitive compared to your
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  Elite programs. And now everybody is behind like
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  programs like UVA. And I mean, yeah, not only.
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  Did they get the money consistently?
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  I know we're behind in that aspect and people are, you know,
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  kind of asking know what can we do to get there?
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  Well, money's going to be a big thing.
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  I do truly even more believe once that came out.
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  I think that was the play with the Baler.
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  So and I mean because if he's able to go there and say this is
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  what they're offering recruiting life.
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  Can we get three quarters that? Yeah because you know, Well,
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  there's either to you got it coming from the head coach that?
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  Hey, this is what is going on in another program, not just, you
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  know, as John was saying at the at the recruitment team Retreat.
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  You know, documenting, the number of people that are there
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  from each school. That's, that's, you know, that
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  tells you a story, but that doesn't tell you the whole
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  story. But, you know, you go and get a
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  bona fide offer from another power 5 program.
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  And they're telling you, this is the recruiting resources, you're
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  going to have that says Something he does but that
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  interview is definitely insightful here with John and
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  the sons of Saturday it was really again eye-opening and I
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  think if you in some people can say well he was just he was an
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  interview. He was saying what people wanted
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  to hear the me. You listen to John's voice in
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  the way it cracked a couple times about things.
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  He's an alumni there, my death was an alumni from Tech.
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  I don't think these guys are going to sugarcoat anything
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  because the goal they even said it in Johnson and on that
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  podcast and it's the truth. Can, this guy help us beat
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  Clemson because for the ACC that's the hurdle.
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  Yeah. Got to be Clemson before you can
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  think of anything else and I know a lot of people that will
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  just win the coastal again and then we'll be okay.
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  Well, that's one small incremental step in clearly, if
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  you saw twenty, you know, 2016. We were there.
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  Yeah I think I think we have a coaching staff you can.
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  This line them with their personalities?
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  I know bud was part of that coaching staff back then.
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  I think we got a coaching staff and to me we've seen it.
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  The beginning of year, bigger games bowl games.
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  These guys know how to gain plan better and I love frank Beamer.
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  But how many times did we see that first game of the year?
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  So many things go right? Boise State, I just the bad
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  snaps. Terrible play, calls that hurt
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  me and then I go look at like the West Virginia year.
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  Yeah, it was like light years, the bowl games.
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  I mean, I know we've lost two bowl games in a row or three in
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  a row and that sucks. But if you take a look at the
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  game plans, think about the Oklahoma State game.
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  They weren't going to get that ball peoples and Josh Jackson
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  don't don't muddle that fumble will mesh that fumble up.
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  They get in, we win that game against Marshall.
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  Why are not Marshall? Excuse me, Cincinnati, we're at
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  the goal line. Why are we Understanding the
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  game plans worked against one of the better path or group of five
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  schools and then same with this year, the game plans were in
• 1:32:58
  place. So, I mean, I think the coaching
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  staff and the stuff we have there, I think I think we've got
• 1:33:05
  the right coaches. I think we need better
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  recruiters. I think that's going to stress.
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  I think maybe in a future episodes.
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  We talked about some of those new guys.
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  Yeah, I think the big thing that we're seeing is I think we're
• 1:33:16
  starting to Maybe put some things in perspective.
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  I mean, the goal of everyone is to get get back into an ACC
• 1:33:25
  Championship and get to a national title.
• 1:33:27
  To put Virginia Tech on the map and put the trophy in the case
• 1:33:31
  if that's not what you're about. Then you're probably at the
• 1:33:34
  wrong place. At the same time, you got to put
• 1:33:37
  those wants and those desires into perspective of the reality
• 1:33:41
  of the landscape of college football.
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  And a big thing of that is money and I I don't think that we're
• 1:33:49
  ever going to be Alabama or Texas or Ohio State in that
• 1:33:56
  department or Clemson or Florida, but I don't think we
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  need to be at that level, but I think we need to at least be at
• 1:34:05
  the top 40 level in those departments if we're if we're
• 1:34:10
  going to truly compete for a national title National
• 1:34:14
  Championship. I just think it's You know, at
• 1:34:18
  some point, if you've got more resources, if you have more
• 1:34:21
  boots on the ground, we got more people making calls, you got
• 1:34:23
  more people doing things recruits notice, and they're in
• 1:34:28
  the start trending, those directions.
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  And until we catch up a little bit, I mean, we've been putting
• 1:34:35
  putting out 20/20 side. We've been pulling in top 30
• 1:34:41
  classes with top 80, recruiting department.
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  So that's good. Lisha.
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  It's a good turnover. Yeah, so imagine if we, if we
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  put, you know, increase that by 30% or 40% of that department,
• 1:34:56
  let's see if we can get, you know, consistently in the top
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  20. So you know, I don't, I don't
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  think that's, you know, I think more if it's not a weed in here,
• 1:35:06
  a lot of good information from John, it was eye-opening
• 1:35:09
  information from John things that explain some of what we've
• 1:35:13
  been seeing. So it All positive, but it was
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  all hey, we're working on it, we're moving in the right
• 1:35:21
  direction. Help us out.
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  Agreed right now as we close The Showdown today, I'm going to
• 1:35:30
  make a quick hit here you guys. Listen to the intro and the
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  outro music that is by one of our lifelong friends, Brian.
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  Once again, I went to elementary school with Jason.
• 1:35:42
  You Middle High School College. Yep, thanks, Jason long.
• 1:35:45
  He actually lives in the New River Valley.
• 1:35:48
  The cuts were using this week is off as Exit Wounds album from
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  And 15. Check him out on Spotify,
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  iTunes. You've been gracious.
• 1:36:00
  Enough to let us use this music without charging us gracias.
• 1:36:05
  Jason, who listen to the podcast and one last piece?
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  Brian. There's somebody that all of
• 1:36:13
  Hokie Nation should be thanking because the bad luck that we got
• 1:36:17
  seven days ago. Who do we want to thank at the
• 1:36:20
  end of this broadcast? Well I want to give a big Big
• 1:36:24
  and huge shout out to Mel Tucker because Mel Tucker told a little
• 1:36:29
  okey-doke out there in Colorado and now after Baylor don't look
• 1:36:36
  so bad, not at all, not at all. So hokey fans, we hope you
• 1:36:45
  enjoyed this first episode, my name is Curtis Wilson.
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  I'm Brian Sigler. Let's go.
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  Okay. Giving Longhorn.
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