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The Grounded Show #105 - Mr. McMahon · The Grounded Show

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  Speaker 1: Yo, what a dude.
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  Speaker 2: We back at getting the grounded show your boy less,
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  Speaker 2: your boy Quincy and your boy joke for.
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  Speaker 3: Me fresh off the nap he yo. Before we got on.
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  Speaker 1: Before we got on, we was talking a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about Craig David. I just wanted to finish that thought. Man.
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  Speaker 1: When I first heard Craig David, I couldn't believe nobody
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  Speaker 1: else had heard him, Like, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because he.
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  Speaker 4: Was like popular.
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  Speaker 2: But really, if you're just really into music, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, if you're not really like super tapped
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  Speaker 2: in the new music and stuff, you wouldn't have known
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  Speaker 2: him at the time because he.
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  Speaker 1: Was a UK artist. But Dog, that album Born to
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  Speaker 1: Do It.
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  Speaker 2: That's like, I don't know, man, depending on the day,
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  Speaker 2: that might be my favorite R and B album. Dog.
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  Speaker 3: It was a great album for sure, I was And even.
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  Speaker 2: His sound at the time was just so fresh and
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  Speaker 2: like you hear it now and it still has that
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  Speaker 2: like just feel and the vibe and the bob like
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  Speaker 2: it's it's fire man. Craig David definitely a big inspiration
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  Speaker 2: for me musically.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't do any of like the Loop kind
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  Speaker 5: of tracks here. Everything was just like straight up, like
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  Speaker 5: he developed the entire song from starting to finish.
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  Speaker 1: It was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, facts he was like on artists through and through
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  Speaker 2: and he's definitely especially like with his writing style, his
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  Speaker 2: pen is somebody that I've tried to emulate, just as
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  Speaker 2: far as the lyricism, the flows, all that stuff, like,
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  Speaker 2: because that was the thing that he really came with
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  Speaker 2: that was different in R and B at the time.
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  Speaker 1: It was like the way he had the flows and
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  Speaker 1: the way he was.
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  Speaker 2: Writing the songs, it was like little rapper ish kind
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  Speaker 2: of feels sometimes but like he was still singing, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely was a big inspiration for Drake. He's definitely mentioned
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  Speaker 2: Craig David, but yeah, Man speaking to Drake Doug Vince
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  Speaker 2: McMahon broa.
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  Speaker 3: Where correlation? Where's that correlation?
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  Speaker 1: I don't worry about it. Don't worry about it though, Drake.
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  Speaker 3: Man speaking of Drake public roller Coasters. I just want
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  Speaker 3: to know where that correlation you can get into it.
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  Speaker 1: But Dog kind of like a.
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  Speaker 4: Very terriblely kept secret is how.
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  Speaker 2: Terrible Vince McMahon has been over the years and the
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  Speaker 2: questionable things he's done and what has started out to
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  Speaker 2: be a documentary that was kind of gonna not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: showcase him, but definitely show him in a better light.
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  Speaker 2: They started working on that documentary a few years ago,
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  Speaker 2: and I believe Bill Simmons and his company was involved
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  Speaker 2: with that, and they ran into a few hiccups here
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  Speaker 2: and there, and then all the allegations came out and
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  Speaker 2: him stepping down came about, and all the information came
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  Speaker 2: out about what he's being accused of and stuff. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when they started it, this was a completely
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  Speaker 2: different project, so they shifted it a lot once that
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  Speaker 2: information came about. Like a lot of people thought they
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  Speaker 2: were just going to scrap the project altogether, but what
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  Speaker 2: ended up happening was they just leaned into that and
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  Speaker 2: was like, no, we're just going to tell that too.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And Vince McMann had even tried to buy it back
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  Speaker 2: from Netflix, like once he kind of saw the direction
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  Speaker 2: it was going. Yep, he tried to hit them up
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  Speaker 2: and see if they would sell it back to him,
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  Speaker 2: and they didn't sell it to him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because the disclaimer in the beginning of it, like
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  Speaker 5: they kind of made it seem like as they were
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  Speaker 5: recording it, that's when the news broke Rye all that shit.
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  Speaker 5: But they were like, everything you're about to see has
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  Speaker 5: nothing to do with the news breaking about his core case.
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  Speaker 2: This project had been delayed so many times for so
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  Speaker 2: many different reasons before it even got to the point
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  Speaker 2: where he was accused of anything, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So it was like, it's a crazy way that the
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  Speaker 2: thing progressed. But I'll let Quincy get into it because
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  Speaker 2: he's deeper into the documentary right now. I haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: any of the episodes, but I'm definitely familiar with the
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  Speaker 2: situation of the documentary itself because one of the guys
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  Speaker 2: that was heavily involved in the documentary, I listened to
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  Speaker 2: his podcast, so he's dropped here and there with David
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  Speaker 2: Shoemaker built his network and he was involved a lot
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  Speaker 2: with that project, and he always drops little things here
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  Speaker 2: and there on his podcast about it, and obviously him
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  Speaker 2: being a part of it, he was a credible source.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 6: It's a lot to unpack because I also don't want
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  Speaker 6: to spoiler for Joe. I think he's only on episode
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  Speaker 6: one right now.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm halfway through episode two, okay.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's cool how they're they're telling him the
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  Speaker 6: story of how Vince you know, kind of started to
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  Speaker 6: like buying the business from his dad to some of
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  Speaker 6: the candles that he's gone through. It's really you could
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  Speaker 6: tell they're setting it up for something big. You can
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  Speaker 6: tell they're setting it up. But it's very interesting that
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  Speaker 6: even though you can tell they're setting it up for
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  Speaker 6: something big, I still am like, damn, man, this man
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  Speaker 6: really built this this this business bro, like like an empire,
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  Speaker 6: like I can It's kind of like going back to
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  Speaker 6: what we were saying about the whole r Kelly and
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  Speaker 6: all of that stuff. You know, it's like, you know
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  Speaker 6: what I'm saying, It's like, give me you can tell
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  Speaker 6: me like the bad stuff. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 6: I'm still seeing, like this man build an empire, bro.
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  Speaker 6: And it's it's dope to see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I've ever correctly, he bought the uh he
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  Speaker 2: bought the company from his dad for a million dollars
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  Speaker 2: at the time, and it was just a regional wrestling company.
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  Speaker 2: Like basically it was just a wrestling promotion in the Northeast.
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  Speaker 2: He turned it into a global empire.
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  Speaker 3: But that's all that wrestling was back then. It was
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  Speaker 3: very regional that what it is.
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  Speaker 4: Who ran the reason, and they talked about like territories, Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 5: It broke down like Gorilla Monsoon that it could have
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  Speaker 5: been him, and that because Gorilla Monsoon turned it down.
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  Speaker 5: What what what captured me the most was that who
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  Speaker 5: was in it. You know, there's a lot a lot
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  Speaker 5: of documentaries that happened today where a lot of the
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  Speaker 5: prime individuals who took place in the story do not
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  Speaker 5: even participate in the interview or document in general. But
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  Speaker 5: this had his son, his daughter, Triple h Stone, Cold,
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  Speaker 5: Paul Hogan, the Rock, Eric Bischoff, like everybody who ever
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  Speaker 5: mattered in wrestling alone and probably thankful because of what
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  Speaker 5: basic man set up.
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  Speaker 3: They all are part of this documentary.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a person who mattered who's alive today that
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  Speaker 5: is not part of this documentary.
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  Speaker 3: And that shows improved. Two things.
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  Speaker 5: One, how big of this how big of a person
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  Speaker 5: this guy was, and how big of a how big
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  Speaker 5: of a thing that he made was And they're like,
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  Speaker 5: all right, now we're all gonna come here and talk
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  Speaker 5: about what happened.
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  Speaker 6: Yeh hey, and real quick, I was just gonna say,
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  Speaker 6: like I remember being a kid and you know, watching
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  Speaker 6: WWF and then I never realized the transition of me
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  Speaker 6: watching WCW and watching this documentary, I'm seeing how it
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  Speaker 6: happened with Ted Turner having the amount of money that
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  Speaker 6: he had.
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  Speaker 3: To push WCW.
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  Speaker 6: And it's very interesting to see how this McMahon comeback
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  Speaker 6: to that to make WWE the better product with less resources.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he went against Goliath and one Yeah yeah, on
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  Speaker 2: a TV network with a quote unquote unlimited budget. And
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  Speaker 2: he was a mom and pop company at the time.
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  Speaker 2: I think they had just they had went public. I
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  Speaker 2: think after that or maybe right around that time, ww
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  Speaker 2: went public, so they were a private company that whole time,
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  Speaker 2: which is crazy. You know, you're going against Turner and
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  Speaker 2: the Turner Broadcast Network like.
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  Speaker 5: That, Like the business decisions he made because that like
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  Speaker 5: when Hulk Hogan turned into Hollywood Hulk Hogan and he
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  Speaker 5: joined the nWo and that night that he premiered on
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  Speaker 5: Nitro on a Monday night, that was the biggest night
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  Speaker 5: in wc W ever. And for him to flip that
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  Speaker 5: and recover from that and end up dominating and still
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  Speaker 5: take that back and buy that whole company out, Like
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  Speaker 5: this dude wasn't mastermind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a mastermind at this and thinking about
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  Speaker 2: it nowadays. This is something I didn't think about at
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  Speaker 2: the time when I was watching, or even like in
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  Speaker 2: the early years after, like you know, in my twenties, thirties, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Is the fact that Vince McMahon kind of saw with
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  Speaker 2: WCW like, dang, the stuff that I'm doing works and
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  Speaker 2: it could succeed on a national level easily because that
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  Speaker 2: was his talent.
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  Speaker 1: He built that talent.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they really just went to WCW and try
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  Speaker 2: to follow the Vince McMahon model to the point where
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  Speaker 2: they even hired some of their writers to get it
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  Speaker 2: to be like their show, like.
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  Speaker 1: WWE you know what I mean. So it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you said, Quency, the business that he built,
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  Speaker 2: the empire that he built for the company to get
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  Speaker 2: sold for how much money is I mean billions of
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  Speaker 2: dollars fillion right for them to do a billion dollar
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  Speaker 2: deal with Netflix, Like, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy, bro, crazy No.
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  Speaker 5: And he he single handedly came up with the idea
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  Speaker 5: for WrestleMania yep. And that's what they went through. In
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  Speaker 5: episode one, him and wife he was on a vacation
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  Speaker 5: and he thought they were taking a break from everything,
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  Speaker 5: and the day they got back, he said, we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: do the super Bowl and wrestling. Yeah, we're gonna and
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna call it WrestleMania. Nobody ever had that, nobody
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  Speaker 5: ever even thought of that, and literally he set That's
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  Speaker 5: how he set wrestling up and still to this day,
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  Speaker 5: the process of wrestling is the season and it ends
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  Speaker 5: with WrestleMania, which is like the super Bowl, and then
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  Speaker 5: the season starts over with all the storylines.
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  Speaker 2: Again yearly ever since he started it to this.
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  Speaker 5: Day, and it's one of the biggest events ever in history.
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  Speaker 5: There's nobody ever done.
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  Speaker 1: House against that event. Yeah, like WrestleMania wouldn't have worked
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  Speaker 1: the first one. He would have lost his house and he.
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  Speaker 3: Would have everything you'ld have been cooked.
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  Speaker 1: Literally.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And that wife he was watching, we were like watching
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  Speaker 5: it today and she was working from today and she
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  Speaker 5: was watching it and and it kind of touched back
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  Speaker 5: with like the same conversations we have with like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: all these people, like you know, Michael Jackson, R.
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  Speaker 3: Kelly.
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  Speaker 5: We talked about lou Pearlman, what he did for the
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  Speaker 5: world with burd with boy bands and like Diddy and
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  Speaker 5: what he did with hip hop and R and B
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  Speaker 5: and all it's like, you gotta be a sick, crazy
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  Speaker 5: fuck to be a genius and create this shit, because
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  Speaker 5: everybody who's ever created something so impactful and so major
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  Speaker 5: or like crazy sick fucks at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 5: it's like it's something that comes with the territory man,
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  Speaker 5: because it's.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, bro, it's crazy you said that.
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  Speaker 2: Because I was literally about a transition into Mercedes Monet,
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  Speaker 2: which was Sasha Banks in WWE, but now she wrestles
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  Speaker 2: for a different company called AW And she was on
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  Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club this morning and they asked her, like
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  Speaker 2: why she's not on WW anymore, like what made.
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  Speaker 1: Her go to AW? And she straight upset.
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  Speaker 2: It was and this is a direct quote, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of personal stuff happened with myself and the chairman at
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  Speaker 2: the time, which was Vince McMahon, and I didn't like
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  Speaker 2: how he talked to me and how I was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just talk down to and I was like, it's time
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  Speaker 2: to legit, listen to your soul in your heart. There
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  Speaker 2: was a light that came to me one day and
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  Speaker 2: I just left WWE. My guides told me and I'm
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  Speaker 2: guided to being a two time champion in AAW but
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  Speaker 2: basically she and that wasn't That wasn't the.
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  Speaker 1: Only thing she said.
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  Speaker 2: You know, she also said, you know, you know that
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  Speaker 2: day that he talked to her a little crazy, and
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  Speaker 2: she's like it was enough, enough, was enough. I mean
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  Speaker 2: she she's gotten into it in different interviews here and there,
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  Speaker 2: But just imagine somebody that they're just dreaming of being
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  Speaker 2: a WWE.
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  Speaker 1: Superstar their whole life.
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  Speaker 2: They get there, they're on top, they've made event to WrestleMania,
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  Speaker 2: the event we was just talking about, and they still
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  Speaker 2: leave because this dude is such a piece of trash that.
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  Speaker 1: You don't even want to be living your dream because
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  Speaker 1: he's around.
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  Speaker 5: And it's close to the conversation we had last week, like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, there's a golden ticket to success, and I
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  Speaker 5: know that formula works and if you follow it, you
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  Speaker 5: can succeed, but you have to give up a party
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  Speaker 5: you to do that, and there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: who do.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who don't.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And then there was also like a rumor online
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  Speaker 1: that because basically once she left and said that she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't going to resign with WWE and quit, they.
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  Speaker 2: The whole thing with Vincent Man happened around that time,
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  Speaker 2: so Vince had stepped away, and once Vince stepped away, allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: Triple H had reached out to Sasha Banks like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: he's gone, He's not here no more. It's a whole
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  Speaker 2: different thing going on now. And she almost came back,
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  Speaker 2: but she ended up going to AW I believe because
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  Speaker 2: they offered her the most money a woman has ever
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  Speaker 2: gotten paid in wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: I think she got like five million dollars or something
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  Speaker 1: from them. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy. But yeah, man, that
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  Speaker 1: whole that whole Vincent Man thing is wild.
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  Speaker 4: What what would you.
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  Speaker 2: Say is the as far as like where you're at
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  Speaker 2: in the documentary is the main thing that they're getting
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  Speaker 2: across with it, Like what are they highlighting the most
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  Speaker 2: so far?
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  Speaker 6: I feel like it's the growth you're seeing kind of
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  Speaker 6: like where it started. You're seeing where it's gone, you've seen.
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  Speaker 6: You're seeing the intricate situations that have happened in between
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  Speaker 6: then and now. Well not necessarily now, because I'm not
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  Speaker 6: there yet. Yeah, it's not even it hasn't even reached
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  Speaker 6: like the attitude area.
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  Speaker 1: Yet, so it seems like it's very much an arc.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's showing like chronologically the ups and downs,
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  Speaker 6: Like it showed the w c W situation, it showed
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  Speaker 6: the allegations with the women referee I Care basically the
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  Speaker 6: one that accused him of sexual assault. It's showing that
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  Speaker 6: that case. It's showing the case with the steroid usage.
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  Speaker 6: So it's showing the ups and downs chronologically, and it's
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  Speaker 6: pretty dope.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I think it's it's it's it's it's a conflict,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's a conflict of any documentary that we
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  Speaker 5: see today of people who have done so much good,
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  Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, they've done so much bad.
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  Speaker 5: And it's important to see how much good they've done,
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  Speaker 5: but everything they sacrificed and all the people they've hurt
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  Speaker 5: in order to do that much good, And it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of it allows the viewer to determine how much good
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  Speaker 5: cannot weigh the bad, how much back in that way
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  Speaker 5: the good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I got like a little theory that I always think
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  Speaker 2: about when it comes to what you had said, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: about if some if people have to be sick to
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: basically get to a point where you're creating something you
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  Speaker 2: know that's that's legendary, that that will last forever, quote unquote,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And it kind of always makes me think of it
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  Speaker 1: this way.
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  Speaker 2: For you to get to that point, you got to
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of people in your corner, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people in your corner with money, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people in your corner that believe when, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people in your corner that are gonna support things that
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna do. And I just feel like for you
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  Speaker 2: to get to that point where you can generate that
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  Speaker 2: much money and support, you have to be compromising yourself
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  Speaker 2: to these people because there's no way that you're aligned
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  Speaker 2: with so many different people, the type of network you
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  Speaker 2: have to have, there's just no possible human way that
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  Speaker 2: you see eye to eye with even half of these people,
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  Speaker 2: or that you respect them to the point where you
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  Speaker 2: feel like they're a real equal to you, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's like when you're compromising yourself
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  Speaker 2: so many times to get what you want, it it
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  Speaker 2: kind of like one hand washes the other type of thing,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it just it's.
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  Speaker 1: Going to lead you there.
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  Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope, bro, And it's so easy to
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  Speaker 2: just do that first little thing and then the rest
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  Speaker 2: of it is cool, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: I agree that they even have a linamic man. You know,
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  Speaker 5: his wife coming up in the game. She was on there,
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  Speaker 5: and it's just like every single person who was there
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  Speaker 5: knew the impact he had un wrestling as a whole,
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  Speaker 5: and he's like he and the whole thing was like
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  Speaker 5: they called him the pro wrestling you know, the the
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  Speaker 5: master of pro wrestling entertainment, and he looked at past
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  Speaker 5: so much more past that. He's like, no, it's not
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  Speaker 5: about pro wrestling, it's about entertainment in general.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: His vision was crazy, and it's so crazy because so
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: many people's visions were so crazy and they were crazy themselves,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: and it's so difficult to appreciate how great they were
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: because so much negative stuff came from that and it's
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: so hard and we were I think we're continuously seeing
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: that with people in the industry and entertainment. More and
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: more now get exposed and it's like, oh, man, but
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: they did so great of what they did.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: But I thought real quick, what I thought was dope too,
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: was that you know, to see that yes, his father
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: had a business, but his father wasn't even in his
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: life for a long period of time.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: You know, he was looking for the recognition from his father.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: He was fighting for the recognition and you know his
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: in like he saw the wrestling situation as the way
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: out of his poverty, you know what I mean. But
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: at the same time, he his opportunity kind of came
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: on a on a whim because you know, the announcer
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: basically came to his father like, hey man, you're gonna
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: pay me more, I'm gonna walk off, And he was like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: all right, well, Vince, you're the new announcer, like straight
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: like that, you know.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: And so for him to go from that to selling that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: Business for nine billion dollars is I mean, you can,
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: as crazy as it sounds, and as many crazy things
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: as he's done, bro, there's some genius to it.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a balance that you got to appreciate the
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: madness of that genius for the same time. Understand, like
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: the ship that he did hurt a lot of people
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: and fucked up a lot of people's lives at the
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: same time.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things people and obviously this is
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: not referring to any of the devious things people have
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: done that can clearly be avoided, but a lot of
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: people do say that when you're making decisions on such
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: a large scale, you're always gonna break break a few eggs,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, to make an omelet. Crack
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: a few eggs and make an omelet, you know, because
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: you can't please everybody, you know what I'm saying. Obviously
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: it doesn't excuse you know, disgusting behavior and treating people
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: like their subhumans. But there is like certain things like
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: on the more lighthearted side, like what happened with him
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and Brett Hart, you know what I mean, where like
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Brett Hart tried to you know, lead with the championship
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: and Vince kind of screwed him over so that you know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: it came on yep. Like that kind of thing you
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: can respect because it's like, bro, at the end of
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: the day, this is his company.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: He got to preserve the company, you know what I mean.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: And you got I wouldn't say give him grace, but
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: you know, it starts off with saying like he has
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: played this character for so long. He's like, I don't
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: think anybody knows who the real me is. Even his
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: daughter is like I don't think anybody knows who the
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: real him is because he spent his entire life playing
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: this character for a reason to build what he built,
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Like he has never really been able to be the
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: real him. And that's when you get into that thin
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: line between who the world expects you to be versus
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: who you really are. And it's really easy to do
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: yourself in that, you know.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even just considering which which part of it
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: is important?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like what did he gained
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: by not.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Just finding himself and being the best person that he
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: can be? If anything, it made him lose everything, you
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. Now he's going out sad like
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: just Bill Cosby, same thing, bro, But the legacy he
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: built and he just went outside, you know what I mean?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Old man blind in prison. They let him out just
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to live his last days, and it's like you're just
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: living in exile kind of like it's just so many,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: so many avoidable things that there's no excuse for. But
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: then at the same time, it's like what do we
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: know when we have never been in that situation, you
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like with so many things like
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: weighing on you and you at the center of like
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: you know, because because if he's selling a company for
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: nine million dollars. That means that's how much money they're
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: expecting it to generate, plug and then some because they're
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: not trying to get it just for you know what
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, just for to make to break even. They're
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: trying to actually make money with this thing. So they're saying,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: the thing you built.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Will generate billions of dollars. Like, ain't no way.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: It's easy to get a full, nice sleep when you're
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: at the head of a you know, billions of dollar company.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: You know, no.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: And it's like I always go back to like the
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Daniels quote and endgame.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: It's like where it's thotus, like did you do it?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: And what did it costs? Like everything?
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know just to get there, it costs everything
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: you ever had, and like just to accomplish that one
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: little thing you wanted to do is yeah, tough man.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's always like a constant pushing pool,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: just with regular people from the point of view of
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: what is your life? Is your life your life or
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: is your life your life's work?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Like people focus on different things when it comes to
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: how they look at their life playing out, and some
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: people are focused on the times that they have, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: they've focused on being able to reflect on a great journey,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and some people want to be able to reflect on
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the work that they've done, the legacy had left behind
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: things that they did, you know what I mean. Some
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: people obviously want a bit of both. But it's just
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: something that ties into just the everyday struggle to everybody
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: where you're just trying to like figure out, Okay, how
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: am I going to play these things out to get to.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Where I want to be, but also like not lose myself.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I give everything up.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's tough, man, because like I said, you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: we grew up on wrestling. We grew up in one
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: of the best eras in wrestling ever. We got to
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: witness that first hand with the Rock and Stone Cold
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: and everything that happened during that era, and that was
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: all one driven by Vince McMahon and his vision, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: just to see deteriorate now and like Triple Ah's doing
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: a good job continue it, but just remembering how it
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: started and then give being able to give Vincent manned
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: appreciation is hard. It's hard to do for people like
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: us who witnessed their firsthand and are old.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Enough to understand what he did was fucked the hut. Yeah,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: but you know, oh go ahead, I'm sorry, No, no,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: that's what I'm getting at. Yeah, well I was gonna
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: say to that was that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: But I also think so we always talk about, you know, wrestling,
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: and you know how people always are like, it's fake,
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: it's fake. But then real wrestling fans are like, yeah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: we know it's fake, but we buy in because.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: It's an art form.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: It's it's a you know, I mean, we appreciate, you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: the entertainment of it. And I think for me, what
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: makes Vince bick Man who he is is his ability
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: to take real life situations and make them part of
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: the art form. You know, like for example, with the
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: Montreal screwjob, when he did that, that's when he became
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: an on screen villain. Yeah, you know what I mean,
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: as part of the script. You knows, it turned up
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: the business and that was like the Ain't gonna attitude era,
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: He was the bad guy to Stone Cold and everybody
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: wanted to see his boss get his ass beat.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Took off to a new level. Mm hmm.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: So his ability to do that is excuse me. To me,
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: what makes him so special to the wrestling business. His
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: ability to take real life situations and spin them in
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: an entertainment form, whether he was the villain, whether you
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: know what I mean. At one point the Rock was
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: the villain or the heel.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: And then the next he and the baby face.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: He was able to really captivate that aspect of the business.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: And I mean.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's like, don't get me wrong, man, there's
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: the bad. We can all talk about the bad all
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: the time, but it's like Kanye Bro.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: We can't stand Kanye.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: But I'm gonna always say I appreciate Kanye's music for
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: the most part, you know what I'm saying.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Same with R Kelly.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: I think what he did was horrible, but you're not
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: gonna tell me I don't like R Kelly's music. It's
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: it's crazy how this all goes back into what we
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: were discussing last week.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: A lot of conversations.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I feel like we have this conversation that everybody who's
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: ever done some shit like this, it's tough.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I would like to kind of do my own research
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: and see if this is like a cyclical thing, just
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: because I feel like this is like kind of like
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: the era of people just getting exposed and.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Stepping down, you know what I mean.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Like I wonder if like it happened in the eighties
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: two and like the sixties too.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like, yeah, and that's what
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: I think about back then, Like Harvey Weinstein and everything
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: that happened with him, but all the things that he
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: made happen, you know, it's it's a lot. It's a
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: lot like Jeff Bezos and the shit that's coming out
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: of just Bezos and what he did, Steve Jobs, that
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Steve Jobs did, Like these are people who led it
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: created empires revolutionary shit that's nobody ever done. And there's
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: some sick and twisted shit behind each and every one
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: of them.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it goes back to the thing of compromising
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: yourself because everything that you just mentioned, these were badly
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: kept secrets. Everybody knew about it, even on the Internet.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Like we all heard stuff about Harvey Weinstein before it
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: came out. We all heard stuff about R Kelly, we
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: all heard stuff about P Diddy. Like these things are
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: like in pop culture. People talk about them in interviews
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. It's not a secret. It's just
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: people in a situation to actually stop it are compromised,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And that's why supposedly you
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like it's a crazy thing right now,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: so many people stepping down in the music industry like
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: high positions, Like they're shuffling up a whole bunch of
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: record labels right now, and a lot of people are
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: suspecting that it's coinciding with this p Diddy thing because
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: they've come out and say that they have a lot
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: of tape, a lot of video tape of you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: these freakofs and stuff that Pee Diddy's been into. The
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Feds have said we've got tape, and then they say
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: we've got tape, and everybody says, give me a break,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: like dog, you know this is yeah, there's.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: There's a lot there's and that's what sucks, Like there's
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: so much coming up. Like one thing I saw today
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: was like remember making the band episode where he made
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: them go get cheesecake and they made him walk across
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: the boroughs to go get cheesecake. Now this dude is
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: saying the whole that cheesecake was for Beyonce, Like did
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: he made him do that for Beyonce? And that's how
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: much Beyonce is tied into this Diddy ship like no, and.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: That's what's crazy.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: It's like, now you really have to question who you
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: really thought was good in this industry and who's note.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And it goes back to like a little joke I
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: said earlier in the group chat, like, bro, if.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: NAS ends up being a bad guy.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Because I've been standing behind Nas like this, you know
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like like like I was, I'm sure hope,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Like you can't tell me nothing dogs the shining light
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: in the rap game. Like if it comes out that
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: he's a dirt bag, Bro, I'm gonna be crushed the last.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: He's the last, hope if Na's hear this, Bro, you
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: the last, speaking of.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Don't get out of here man.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the only thing I did was lose Calise. Yeah
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: that's it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, but he also gained her too, so hey, that's true.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I just ain't looking.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I got to cook better to have loved and lost
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and never.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And that's what I mean.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Just surprisingly, like and even I was going to mess
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: even Russell Simmons, you know, the creative Jam. He even
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: had a tarnish legacy.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: It's just like who else, who else? Is gonna disappoint us.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: But you know the thing is, man, is that like
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: you know, ain't nobody perfect, man, You know what I'm saying,
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: nobody's perfect. And I think we're in the era of
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: trying to find those imperfections and and and exploiting them.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: And I think the that's that's not cool. Don't get
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: me wrong.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: Some of the situations, for a get example, this Diddy
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: situation is bad, you know what I mean.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: So it's interesting that you said that because I've thought
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: about that as well, and like the way I've kind
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of come to a conclusion in my mind is like this,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: like we've all had experiences with sexual experiences with women, Right,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: There's there's a very very very very probable way that
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: any woman that we've dealt with can say a situation
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: and flip it and make it seem like something weird, somethird.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Some might be off with one of us, you know
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: what I mean, And even just like from being younger
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and more immature, like we might've just done something.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: That was like a dirt bag move and you could
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: juice it up, right, Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: But the separation is you will not be able to
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: establish a sick pattern of me doing anything. You might
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: be able to say, here, hey he did.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Sound that was kind of messed up, all right, But.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: You're not about to roll out a whole film and
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: tape of me doing things that are questionable, you know.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: What I mean.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: You don't got a court case against me, Like you
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: can have some tea against me, a court case exactly.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: You Michael, pull one and try to make it seem
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: a certain way and I might have to defend myself
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and clear it up.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, but you ain't gonna get much more out
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of that, you know what I'm.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: S Yeah, and that's that's I agree with that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: But what I'm also gonna say is like, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: a lot of these people that are coming out with
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: these situations, bro, they're coming out thirty forty years of
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: fame and money, and so it's like they're for thirty
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: to forty years. It's completely different. Their interactions with people
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: are completely different. The people that they come into contact
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: with completely different. You know, Like, let's just speak hypothetically
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: with the vis Man situation and the referee. If vinstrict
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: Man isn't venstrict Man, and he doesn't own a multi
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: million dollar business and he does not hire a woman.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: What is the likelihood of this situation even happening.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Whether it be true or not.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Check this out though, Think of how many thousands of
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: celebrities that are more famous and make more money than
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: all the people that we've mentioned that have never even
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: been almost involved in anything like this.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: And I agree with that. But what did Joe just say.
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: Joe said, yeah, they're coming out now and they're saying
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: that that situation was for Beyonce.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: What does she have to do with it? And then
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I'm scared for jay Z. Bro
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I'm scared for jay Z. But people already talking about
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: jay Z. I'm scared for talking about it. But that's
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: my point.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: That's my point is that you know, when you have
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: this power in this fame for as long as these
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: people have had it for, it's only a matter of
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: time before you do something and it comes to light.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: It's only a matter of time. I'm not saying nobody
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. I'm not saying I'm just.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Looking at it from this point of view, like even
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: you just break it down like regularly, like if you're
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: if this is like a Hollywood party, right and there's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: one hundred people. At the end of the day, these
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: are one hundred people different types of people, and it's
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: just a sample size.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Of a group of people.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe ten percent of them are going to be into
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the crazy stuff that's going to be going on that
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: might be illegal or might be questionable. So you're talking
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: about ninety people that's probably dipping early, ten people staying back.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Let's say it's thirty percent and.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: It's thirty people, you still talking about seventy people that
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: none of them are doing none of that stuff and
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: they're not dealing with it, you know what i mean.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Like, when you break it down, it's like the situations.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: They're in and stuff, it's not an excuse at all
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: because there's so many people out here that are just
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: living their lives and not getting wrapped.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Up in stuff like this because they're avoiding these things.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: You have to actively seek out these questionable situations to
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: be in a situation where somebody can have you compromise
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: that way, you know what I mean, Like, somebody can't
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: compromise you unless you put yourself in a compromising situation.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: And I agree with that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: What I'm what I'm saying is is that going back
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: to Joe's point, because I do agree with that. I'm
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: not saying that there's an excuse on why these things
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: are coming out. I was just going to Joe's point
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: of like, dang, who else has done something? You know
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying, I'm going to die there with I
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: feel like this is why, you know, all this stuff
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: that's getting exposed gives credibility to rumors we've heard in
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: the industry so much, and like it's for jay Z.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: I remember one of the biggest ruins I've heard is
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: that he was with Rihanna when she was underage and
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: he gave her an STD and that's the reason her
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: and Chris Brown fought that night because he found out
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: and like if that ends up being true and he
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: ruined Chris Brown's entire career and never came true to it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: And it's like, now it gives credibility to the rumors
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: because all this shit we've heard as rumors in the past,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: our Sonny coming in like to.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Be actually true.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: It's given credibility the ship that we didn't want to
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: believe was true, and it's given credibility that it might
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: be true of the people who we admired and said
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: nah nah nah, they would never like we're finding out
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: little by little every single day, oh that shit was true.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: They might have the might have been.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: But but go ahead, because I was gonna kind of
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: tie it all in with what I was gonna say.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: But you know, there's a lot not a documentary, but
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: there's like this this thing out that's basically goes into
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: and dies into Jay Z's lyrics about how unfaithful he
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: was through his lyrics to Beance before all of the
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: lemonade stuff, and so like even those kind of things
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: where it's like people have been looking at this stuff
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: for a long time and it's just never been concrete evidence.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: And now with like what I said before, thirty forty
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: years later, people are like, you know what, I'm tired
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: of holding this secret.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And to kind of like tie in with what
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: you were just saying, Quincy about like the situations they
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: begin you think about it from the point of view
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: of like us being like regular guys quote unquote. It's
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: something where we know that if we've done if we
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: would have done certain things at certain points, we might
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: be further ahead in certain situations.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: But we wouldn't be cool with.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: What we did, you know what I mean, Like, if
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: we know that, then you got to consider, dangy, maybe
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of these people that are in a position
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: of power or just higher up in a place where
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: they're able to generate so much income and support that
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: they might have to be compromised to get to that position.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Period. They did some shit, yep.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: And that's something that I always think about and even
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: though to kind of wrap it up tying it into
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: something Joe's been talking about recently, the streamers.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: That's why I feel like a lot of.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Them are making so much money and just kind of
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: staying to themselves because it's like they don't got to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: deal with execs. They don't got to deal with you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: putting together projects or questionable peoples and stuff. They just
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: pay somebody an exhorbiting amount of money. Hey, pull up
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: for a stream this how much money?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Come on?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna make it back with the subscriptions and
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: the ads or whatever, you know what I'm saying.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: So, you know, it's definitely dope that nowadays, with.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: The Internet and everything, you got a way to to
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: kind of push along and not have to deal with
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: those type of people.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm definitely excited to you know, it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: six episodes the documentary it's on Netflix called inster Man.
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: I'm definitely excited to go ahead and finish that. Maybe
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: it's about it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: It shows how we definitely will talk more about it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: How many wrestlers held him down? Oh my god. Yeah,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: fact like that.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: The fucking interview Coogan and choking this dude out on
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: the late night show just to do wrestling is real.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Real, A lot of people held him down.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: It's like the documentary, I think there's gonna be a
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: little series almost like of us bringing this up there
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: over the next couple of weeks. So there's definitely a
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: lot to dive into.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah man, y'all got anything y'all want to leave
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: him with?
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Hey man, not over here? What you got less?
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Hey man? All I got is the butter. I'm staying
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: stop stop, not a not not not not not be a.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Not after a
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Thing ever at