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Big Pharma Wins When You Skip the Kitchen (Full) · Solving America's Problems

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Alex: In this wrap-up episode of the health series, Jerremy and Dave admit
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they walked in blaming Big Pharma, Big Food, and insurance… and walked
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out realizing the system mostly gives America exactly what it keeps demanding:
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CHEAP calories and quick fixes.
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They dig into the raw numbers on what real food actually costs, why nobody
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ever taught us to cook, and how one mom’s switch to whole foods saved her
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family six figures in medical bills.
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[leaning in] Welcome to Solving America’s Problems.
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Jerremy Newsome: Ladies and gentlemen, we are back.
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I have learned that people love this portion of solving America's problems.
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This portion, specifically being, what did we learn?
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'cause Dave, that's what we're doing, man, over the next few years, we are
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out there to really learn, understand, tweak, adjust, implement, find out what's
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working, and find out what's not working.
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It's a long list.
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Have conversations with professionals, really speak to individuals and
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just really uncover some truth.
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And for you and I learn, and for our listeners learn, it's more about.
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Knowing how to uncover and knowing how to dig deep.
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And I think we did a great job of that.
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This is really the making America healthy again.
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What did we learn?
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And it's gonna be an awesome summary and I'm really pumped for it, Dave.
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Dave Conley: Yeah, four great episodes across, how many?
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Almost 10 episodes, right?
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Maybe a little bit more.
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10 episodes just great people.
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We had Dr. Holden, Dr. Dill.
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We had Nick and his beautiful wife, Rihanna on a separate episode.
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And then Zen.
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Oh my goodness.
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What I know I started one way in this and I ended up in a different place.
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And I think that's the definition of learning, isn't it?
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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, I think so.
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Going with a belief for mindset, getting some things shifted,
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getting some tweaks, adjustments.
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new understandings.
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One of the big ones, I think, and again, I'm very excited to go back
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through so many of our episodes as we continue to adapt and to grow.
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But one of the ones that does stand out to me in a big way was the
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distinctions in the difference probably between the holistic healing, which
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I would define probably as food and going that route versus what a lot of
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individuals, especially front runners like Mary Williamson for presidency,
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they're stating it's big pharma.
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It's only big pharma.
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They're doing it.
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Take 'em down.
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They're making us sick.
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Dave Conley: Yeah.
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Jerremy Newsome: then we blended a lot of the healthcare and the
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insurance aspect as well together.
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But for me, building a bridge between both of those and realizing for you and
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I to truly solve a lot of these problems.
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And do it from a campaign advocacy approach as well.
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Doing this from a, what I'm going to be doing as president, it seems extremely
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clear to me that without question, helping understand change, shift and adapt
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different food ideologies, different food beliefs, and different adaptations of
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food, like how we can eat, where we're eating, how we're eating, how much we're
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eating, when we're eating, these things can be very quickly implemented for
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the most part, without even trying to attack the quote unquote huge behemoth
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of a problem that a lot of people feel would never, ever truly change.
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The big pharma, the big sick care system as it was called, and rather than
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attacking that saying, okay, listen.
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How about we educate and inform and update, and we all tweak and
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adjust our habits, our eating practices, what we know to be true,
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and start focusing on a lot of that.
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That was really a big summation for me from bringing all these together,
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making me feel like there's actually a better solution there than feeling
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hopeless and feeling worried and feeling like we never have a shot.
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Dave Conley: It a hundred percent.
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I think you're right on with that.
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I came in this thinking big bad insurance or big pharma or big food,
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like they're the ones keeping us sick.
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They're the ones keeping us down.
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And
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what I know now is that we are getting exactly what we want.
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We want cheap food.
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So it's going to be GMO, it's going to be full of pesticides because
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that's how you get cheap food.
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Want.
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Healthcare that, basically doesn't work in a lot of ways, and it
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has a lot of perverse incentives because we want it that way.
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we need it to be in a way that is incomprehensible and you don't know
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what to do and you don't know because you're not spending any time on it.
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What I know for sure is that our food and our insurance and our healthcare, they're
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all tied together, and if we solve for one, the other ones are gonna follow.
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Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
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Precisely.
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And I think that was really addressed in all the conversations.
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And yes, of course there's very minute and very individual policies
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and practices that we can change and should change and would like to change.
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It will make things better, easier, faster, quicker, more efficient.
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But get down to the brass tacks, you've mentioned it a couple times
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and we've talked about throughout the episode, throughout the podcast.
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The price of things, you're gonna get what you pay for.
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And a lot of Americans both want and need really inexpensive.
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So they might therefore just be receiving just that if you do not pay
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a lot of money for food, it's probably not gonna be extremely good for you.
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And knowing that not only is that gonna be what's more available, more abundant
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is the cheaper, more processed, more GMO food because the companies wanna make
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money and we're in a capitalist society and we're not gonna take it away from
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them having the opportunity to make money.
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ultimately, we as consumers are deciding what we eat and what we don't eat.
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And we're also gonna decide how much money they make and don't make.
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If we spend a lot less with them as consumers and start focusing more on
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the organic and the individual, and the farmers and the local, we can help
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increase the awareness and decrease the cost through more supply and more demand.
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Dave Conley: So let, I wanna really explore that cost side with you and
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so that I understand it, which is
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when I hear organic, I hear expensive.
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And what I'm also hearing is you're either paying for it now or later.
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And then I did the math on my breakfast.
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I have this most mornings.
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I have some rolled oats.
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I have it with some almond milk and I throw in some chia seeds and a little
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bit of honey and I let it go overnight.
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These overnight oats, and I'm obsessed with them.
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Jerremy Newsome: So good.
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Dave Conley: I didn't know anything actually.
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I was this year old.
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when I found out about these things, like the whole world of overnight
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oats completely miss my radar.
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But now I'm making up for 50 years of not knowing about it.
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'cause I'm having it just about every day now.
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it's incredibly filling.
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And I did all the math on it and every single one of my breakfasts, and I
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throw some blueberries on top of it costs me exactly $4 and 30 cents.
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Now most of that is that organic almond milk that I use, and it
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just occurred to me if you just use whole milk on it, you could probably
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get this down to $2 and 50 cents.
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there's a certain aspect of this of wondering what you're paying
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for and where you're paying for it.
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And I think it was Zen who said that, she ended up saving like a hundred
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thousand dollars in medical bills because her son started eating whole food.
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Jerremy Newsome: Which is wild to think about.
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The truth is to me, if we spend more.
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On food.
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As a nation, this is gonna be a crazy concept, but if you spend
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more on food and the food is higher quality, you actually eat less.
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And if you eat less, you will be healthier.
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Now, this doesn't mean like you don't eat at all.
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This just simply means eating less.
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Instead of four to five meals a day, snacking, eating three to 4,000
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calories, which I looked it up in a random study on Twitter the other day.
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I think the average American eats 3,400 calories a day.
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Dave Conley: Wow.
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Jerremy Newsome: So eats and drinks like consumes three, 400 calories a day.
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And so that's why if you always look at the back of a box, whatever,
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they always kinda give their ingredients and they're like, this
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is based on a 3000 calorie, diet.
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3000 calories a lot.
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If I'm doing legitimate, actual, full on training for a competition, I'm
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eating 35 to 4,000 calories a day.
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Dave Conley: And, yeah.
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Jerremy Newsome: and so that means like I'm gonna be doing
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some type of very long distance.
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Now, if I'm trying for speed, strength, size and getting really
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beefy and meaty, then I might need to do 4,500 or 5,000 calories.
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It's like that day, right?
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That's a lot.
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But for me, most individuals are eating that and they're
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not running 45 miles that week.
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That's a huge difference because it is science in science out math in
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math, out calories in, calories out.
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If you eat less than you burn, you lose weight.
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End of story.
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Thanks for playing.
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And you have a personal story of this too Dave?
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Tell the world.
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Dave Conley: Wow.
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I think I just turned 40 years old and I was in a job that I hated as a senior
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executive, I smoked a pack of cigarettes a day, and I weighed 330 pounds.
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And it's not like I didn't have the education.
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It's not like I didn't know what I was doing.
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It had been like a lifelong thing.
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I had always been I had always been heavy and, a lot of it was psychological.
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And at some point in my life, I just gave up saying I'm just going to always
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be this way and this is who I am.
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At that same time my wife of 13 years unexpectedly got ill, and a few days
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later she passed away out of the blue.
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She was fine one day and then she was gone.
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And I don't wish that kind of pain on anybody.
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And I would never say that was my moment that, that was the
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big change because it wasn't.
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But what I realized then at that moment, and what started this
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journey of losing 150 pounds, like an entire human, was learning to love
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myself as much as Carol loved me.
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and it was small choices.
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I think it was Sean that said Dr. Dill, Dr. Sean Dill, he said,
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sunlight and exercise and water.
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These are the basic things of life and they're free.
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And it was just that it was a little bit of water every day and
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making sure that's what I was doing.
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And it was a little bit of movement, making sure I was moving and the
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eating better was coming along.
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And it was the small changes that made a big difference.
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And over the course of four years, I lost 150 pounds.
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And that was with the benefit of knowing all of these things, right?
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I think a lot of people are trapped in these, they're on their treadmills, right?
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A hundred percent of their time is already taken up and they
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have their kids to worry about.
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They have their job to worry about, or they don't have a job
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and they're worried about that.
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Or, like they have a million different things and they just need a little bit
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of time to themselves to like decompress.
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And so it's not about not knowing it is making simple, small changes every
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day, taking personal responsibility in it, that changes the whole system.
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Jerremy Newsome: Small steps.
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You have to, in order to do a marathon, you have to take a lot of steps and
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there is no other formula for it.
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There's a lot of steps to be taken and they can be big steps,
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they could be small steps.
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You gotta take a lot of steps, but if you keep doing enough steps,
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there is a finish line at the end.
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And for you, man, I just wanna say congrats on that.
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But you brought up a great point that we did talk about in this series and right
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in this kind of like recap as we talked about, like Sean brought up the six
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best doctors being sleep, water, breath, sunshine, good food, meditation, right?
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or meditation slash nature.
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Doing things that probably ultimately do not cost that much money.
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if any money, but ultimately can revitalize your life and change so much
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and create such a big impact for you.
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What I heard also is the big shift is just drinking more water.
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lot of times as Americans, we feel tired 'cause man, dude,
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freaking life is hard, right?
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You have so much weight and pressure and the cost of living
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is skyrocketing everywhere in the United States of America.
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And we all feel that pressure.
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Every one of us does.
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However, when we gotta keep going and we get energetically
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drained and we get tired.
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And so what do we do?
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We slam our face with a bunch of energy drinks and caffeine and
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coffee over and over and over.
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And while that can work, absolutely.
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And there's even better medical grade available, caffeine and other
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supplements that work even more efficiently than a Monster energy
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drink or a Celsius energy drink.
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There are healthier alternatives out there.
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If you start drinking a bunch of water, you know what happens?
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You don't get as tired.
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It's wild.
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If you drink a bunch of water and you eat a bunch of apples, you don't get tired.
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You have more energy.
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And yeah, you're peeing a lot.
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You are, that's gonna happen.
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But you gotta piece so much you're always moving and your energy's gonna be up,
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and so you, you just have more energy.
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And so the tweaks, the simplicity.
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The thing that I'm so excited about ultimately, and I hope all of our
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listeners hear this, my really incredible big vision and dream is to simply be
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a president that pours in light, love, happiness, and positivity into the world.
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Imagine if there was a voice for the people, of the people that was the
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people, and was able to come on every single day and instead of battling China.
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Or discussing immigrants or talking about all the negative in the world.
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If we just had someone who is championing the vision of the
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people saying, Hey everyone, today's gonna be an incredible day.
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I'm excited for you.
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I'm excited about your work.
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I'm excited about your job.
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I'm excited about your family.
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I hope you have the most incredible day.
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Smile and go.
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Make an incredible impact.
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Imagine if we had someone every day that just poured into the people of this
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country, using to your point, positivity.
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And secondly, easy small steps of change.
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The change does not have to be radical.
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You move more and drink more water.
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Boom, life started changing.
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You gave up cigarettes.
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Bang, life started changing.
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Now you give up cigarettes, you breathe better, you move better, you
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smell better, like your nose smells better and you physically as a person
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smell better, but you also fun.
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Fact, spend less money.
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You do, you spend less money 'cause you no longer are smoking cigarettes
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and cigarettes are There's like a legitimate cost to them and your cost
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of living goes up across the board because of rental cars and hotels.
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If you ever traveling and you smoke, now it's a whole process because
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you have to pay different deposits, healthcare increases if you use tobacco.
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There's so many random costs to those lifestyles.
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But the lifestyle that you mentioned, Dave is the majority of people, right?
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There's more than of this country that's gonna face that exact challenge of the
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obesity of, you mentioned the hamster wheel, the treadmill of life, where
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there's just no singular individual that's really pouring in grace and
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care and attention and wisdom and words of affirmation and positivity,
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and I can't wait to be that person.
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Dave Conley: one thing that I don't know if is talked about is the
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amount of prejudice that people get when they're really heavy.
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Like you sense it all the time.
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the world is not built for you.
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The chairs aren't built.
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The planes aren't built the cars, like nothing works.
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And I had risen to a very high level in my field and I had to be exceptionally
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good at it because fortunately I was mostly in, merit It was that much harder
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as somebody who was an overweight smoker.
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when somebody is overweight and they're a smoker, they're like, oh if they're not
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taking care of themselves, how could they possibly be taking care of my company?
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there is so much broken when you're so overweight and knowing that it is
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actually just a slow suicide is one of those things that needs to be brought up.
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you are overweight and it is only you putting the food in your mouth.
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You are the one that's in control.
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oh, also would we say that this week's solving America's
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problems brought to you by water.
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Jerremy Newsome: brought to you by Dave used to be fat and he drink more water and
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move more, and now he's in great shape.
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Dave Conley: Hey, let me ask you a question though.
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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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Dave Conley: Is it, the world here is education.
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Education and there is a lot of responsibility that was built into this.
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Were you ever taught to cook?
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Were you taught to eat well?
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was there ever a high school class of, what is it called?
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Home Act, was there like, if we're not teaching people how to eat or what
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to eat, or if we give them like food pyramids and say, Hey, have all the corn.
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Jerremy Newsome: to talk about that good old food pyramid, like that was, that's
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still in my mind I'll tell you the moment that my food practices started shifting
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dramatically, but more importantly than that, to answer your question, I did have
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one class and I believe it was called.
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LMS life management skills.
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Dave Conley: okay.
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Jerremy Newsome: Best part, it was one semester, so this was in high school.
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And so when I say like a semester's at that time it was an elective.
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so you get to choose an elective twice a year and it's six months long or
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whatever it was, four or five months long.
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And you had two electives a year that you shifted out of.
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So I went to LMS first time I ever saw anyone else have a condom the teacher
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told us how to put a condom on a banana.
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And then there was other things I learned.
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We learned about goal settings and writing down goals, and
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Learn about cooking.
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But to your point, it was very basic, extremely rigid.
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There wasn't a lot in that particular class, they still were putting
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together this overall agenda of here's what you need to do in life.
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Go get a job, go get to college.
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Here's how you achieve in college and here's how you get into college.
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That was probably 85% of the program
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Dave Conley: Wow.
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Jerremy Newsome: was just really understanding and adapting.
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And again, granted I'm, I'm ancient as well.
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Me and you were both ancient, right?
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You are higher in the sedimentary, you're whatever.
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We're both ancient.
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So we're talking 20 years ago that I'm in high school and I'm sure it's different.
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Hashtag it's not, I have someone in high school now, my kid, and
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it's the same exact thing, right?
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Gabriel's going through the exact same stuff it's all about just how to get
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into college and how to prepare for college and how to beat the college
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system, how to get the SATs and so they can get a good job and whatever.
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in an LMS class, I did a personality assessment.
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And so you do the personality assessment and then the teacher,
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this was like a three week process.
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You do this big test and then at the end you get the results back.
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And then in the test it teaches you what your best job and
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Dave Conley: Alexa, stop thermostat.
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Jerremy Newsome: then they give you a path of,
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Dave Conley: Alexa, turn off thermostat.
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Jerremy Newsome: Sorry, go ahead.
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So you go through this life assessment, like who you are, personality assessment.
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These jobs are gonna be based on, your personality and here's
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what you should do as a job.
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Here's what you should do as a career.
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Here's the best school path in order to get there.
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Dave Conley: oof.
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Jerremy Newsome: I'm gonna give you two guesses.
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What do you think my, like pers per my personality, what job should I be
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Off the cuff?
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So I'm just excited to see what you say.
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Dave Conley: oh.
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I, preacher,
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Jerremy Newsome: Ooh,
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Dave Conley: I would say I don't know.
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If you were taking that in that era, I would say like I would've
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slotted you in sales in business, in that world, you're very social
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and you like talking with people.
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it's like you would kill it in sales.
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Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
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That was exactly it.
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Dave Conley: Yeah.
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Jerremy Newsome: literally did my high school personality assessment for me.
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So the very number one career choice was life insurance salesman.
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Dave Conley: Wow.
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Jerremy Newsome: and number two was salesman.
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Dave Conley: and sales.
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Jerremy Newsome: I had never really knew what life insurance was until I started
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looking it up and I found that Nationwide Insurance wasn't very far from my house.
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And so I put that on my radar and I did end up eventually working for them,
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which is all fascinating and interesting.
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So circling back to all of this, to your point, no, I wasn't taught cooking, right?
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Yes.
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There are some high schools that have home ec, which is
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referred to like home economics,
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Dave Conley: Yeah.
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Jerremy Newsome: very dryly and basically we'll teach kids like the
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things in life that you need to do, how money works, how income works, how
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your family's balance sheet will look, revenue expenses, credit cards, food,
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how to sew, how to do certain things.
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Yes, all those are very accurate.
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And there are high schools that will teach that.
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But very rarely.
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And again, you ready for this tape?
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It's an elective, which means kids get to choose, oh, Do I do home ec?
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Do I do LMS?
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Do I do pe, do I do art?
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Do I do Spanish?
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They get to pick.
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And that should be, again, the maj, you should pick.
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Do you wanna do reading or math do LMS for sure do home ec for sure.
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There are some people who are more adapted and just, they like
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science more than, they like math.
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They like history more than they like science.
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They enjoy social studies more than they like theater.
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There's people that are like in high school and middle school that are gonna
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be more adapted to doing certain things and they know that at an early age.
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But to your point, I didn't really understand food until 20 18, 20 19.
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And probably 2020, those three years is when I really got it.
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And the reason is because I put down $5,500 in 2018 to do an event called
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the 2 9 0 2 9 Everything event.
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And that's where you climb a mountain.
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This was the snow base in Utah Mountain, and you climb it
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13 times from bottom to top.
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take the gondola down, and overall that's 32 ish miles and
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29,000, 29 feet of elevation gain.
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AKA you have 36 hours to climb Everest, right?
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The equivalent.
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and in order to train for it, I had to look up nutrition and I was asking
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myself like, what do athletes do?
23:12
And this is what I learned about.
23:14
order to perform better, you have to eat better and you actually have to eat more.
23:19
And you have to come up with this cycle and this process.
23:22
And if you're going to really work out and get strong and go, here's how fats work.
23:27
Here's how glucose works, here's how fat storage works.
23:29
Here's how sugar works.
23:30
A lot of people think if you eat sugar, you get energy.
23:33
That's not entirely true.
23:34
In fact, that's very rarely the case.
23:36
You have to train your body use sugar as energy.
23:40
That has to be a trained system, which means your body has to start learning the
23:44
difference between burning fat and burning sugar or burning different types of
23:48
sugar, glucose, fructose, to name a few.
23:52
So ultimately it's really interesting.
23:53
That's when I started learning, 'cause I had to put up a bunch of money to enter
23:57
into an event that was an endurance event.
23:59
It was extremely hard.
24:00
I had to learn all about this stuff.
24:01
All that to say, to finally answer your question.
24:04
No, dude I didn't learn any of this and my mom didn't teach me and she
24:08
really tried, although she probably didn't think I was that interested.
24:11
And truthfully, I probably wasn't.
24:13
I'm sure she said, Hey, Jerremy, would you like to help me learn how to cook this?
24:16
And I probably said no.
24:17
And I just blocked that out in my mind.
24:19
I'm sure that happened.
24:20
But as parents, instead of asking force your 15-year-old
24:24
Dave Conley: Yeah.
24:25
Jerremy Newsome: My 15-year-old son wants to play video games every
24:27
single day, every hour of the day.
24:28
That's what he wants to do.
24:30
And that's cool.
24:31
can play some games.
24:35
there are gonna be requirements that I'm gonna give them.
24:37
One of the greatest gifts any parents can give their children
24:41
is adversity they can handle.
24:42
So you have to give them adversity.
24:44
You have to give them a challenge.
24:45
Just yesterday we went to the zoo and I rented these bikes,
24:49
which was a great workout.
24:51
I was really happy to see a lot of other people do these
24:52
bikes, but it was like a bike.
24:54
That was made for four people.
24:55
So you sit on this big bike and every single person can pedal and there's
24:59
Of seats and people can ride it.
25:01
And so it was me, Gabe my wife and the two boys, Jason and me, and we were on
25:05
this bike and it was me and Gabe doing the primarily pedaling and everyone
25:07
was just hanging out, which is cool.
25:09
But I gave him the steering position because you had to steer this bike
25:13
and this bike didn't steer the way you would think it should.
25:16
It was very loosey goosey.
25:19
So it was fun for him to kinda learn steering.
25:21
'cause again, he's 15, he's gonna start driving soon.
25:23
And saying all that to say I forcefully put him in that position where he didn't
25:27
wanna drive it and he wasn't comfortable.
25:29
He was scared about it.
25:30
But we went around this whole park, probably five or six miles, dodging kids,
25:33
dodging soccer balls, dodging frisbees.
25:36
And him learning how to drive in a relatively adverse environment.
25:41
A little fear, a little trepidation, a little hesitation.
25:44
But you give that adversity 'cause I'm right there, able to pull
25:47
the brake at any time to protect her, to help him or whatever.
25:50
And he had a lot of good learning lessons
25:52
I know you all do this, but dads, moms, your kids need
25:56
to see you fail at something.
25:58
They need to see you.
25:58
Put yourself into a thing where you don't know if you are going to win.
26:03
Most of our listeners are incredibly intelligent, smart, talented people.
26:09
And if you have children, ask yourself, what is one of the
26:12
best gifts you can give them?
26:14
And I'm telling you, it is adversity that they can handle and they need to see you.
26:20
In adversity.
26:21
They need to see how you interact with potential failure or losing or attempting
26:27
or studying or not knowing something.
26:30
They wanna see how you study and how you learn.
26:33
Because when you can impart those gifts into our kids the
26:36
answer is always education.
26:38
We're gonna come back to that as the basic boiler point answer for
26:42
pretty much almost any problem that we encounter is it will be education.
26:48
I was terrified of chiropractic for a long time until I, I jumped off,
26:55
I was doing like a ropes course and jumped off the ropes course and ended
26:58
up hitting my neck or something on something and gave myself whiplash.
27:02
And so I went to a chiropractor.
27:03
I didn't know what else to do 'cause the pain was excruciating
27:05
and within a week whiplash was gone.
27:07
I was totally fine.
27:08
Everything was great.
27:09
And so when we had Dr. Sean Dale come on the podcast and when we
27:13
were interviewing him and talking to him and getting people's take
27:16
on chiropractic, it's like that.
27:18
Of itself, just the embracing this of, Hey, you don't have to go to a
27:23
specialized doctor if you can't smell.
27:27
There are like me, I can't physically smell.
27:30
I'm currently starting to go through different routes just to see if
27:35
I can go in and have invasive surgery, have your nose and sinuses
27:39
peeled apart and ripped apart.
27:41
It's go in and have acupuncture, go in and have chiropractic adjustments.
27:45
Go in and start figuring out other methods that are not necessarily more healthy.
27:50
However, they're simply possibly more approachable.
27:55
They're more accessible.
27:57
They're easier and faster, and most likely a lot less expensive.
28:03
Back to the healthcare piece.
28:04
And so really bringing this whole thing full circle to just go into what I'm
28:09
really passionate about is the more people become aware and the more you have.
28:14
These people like Zen who are going out and getting a platform where they're like,
28:19
listen, I don't know the answers either.
28:22
I am here to study, I'm here to learn.
28:25
There are tons and tons of individuals, millions of Americans
28:28
who do not have these answers.
28:30
Let's go find 'em together.
28:32
Let's learn together.
28:33
Let's adapt, grow, change, and evolve.
28:35
And as you evolve, you're gonna start understanding how to learn how to
28:40
study, because you're gonna realize for sure and very quickly that most
28:43
of the things that you do know aren't actually accurate scientifically.
28:47
And you've been taught them 35 years ago, and they're still holding as
28:51
strong as they ever were because you just never challenged those beliefs.
28:55
Dave Conley: I couldn't agree more.
28:56
we spend half of our lives sleeping and eating and dealing with
29:01
bureaucracies and in relationships.
29:04
And none of it is taught.
29:07
You have to get, half-assed information, maybe online, but you don't know,
29:10
And so you end up talking to your friends.
29:12
Maybe you get a little bit from your parents, but they didn't
29:14
get the right information.
29:15
So all of that is just up to you.
29:18
And the simplicity of just coming back to movement and water and meditation
29:26
and all these things are free, right?
29:27
Sunlight.
29:28
And then, to your point.
29:30
Being the example for your kids.
29:32
And it's like when they see you moving and like they, if you're sitting in
29:35
front of the TV and you're just, that's what you're doing and you're smoking
29:39
the Marble Reds and you're eating the chips, then that's what they're seeing
29:42
and that's what they're going to do.
29:44
And so at some point there is a choice Saying that, like every
29:49
system is built against you.
29:51
Every single one, we had the doctors on and they pointed at
29:55
insurance and being like, oh my God, we had the insurance people on.
29:59
They were like, Hey, you gotta, how could you possibly spend $12,000 on
30:04
anything and not know what you're doing?
30:06
I'm like, okay fair point.
30:07
And then we have Zen who's oh, like it's not labeled,
30:10
it's actually inside the food.
30:12
And hers, her story was one about, whoa, what I really liked
30:16
was it was about community.
30:18
Hers was like, damnit, I'm just gonna get moms and we're gonna go March.
30:22
And I'm like, damn, that.
30:23
What a great idea.
30:24
Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
30:25
Dave Conley: Every system is set up against you.
30:27
And that's I guess that still frustrates me a bit.
30:30
But on the other hand, we just started this with saying, Hey, what
30:33
do you actually have control over?
30:34
Jerremy Newsome: you said the word choice
30:36
Dave Conley: Yeah.
30:36
Jerremy Newsome: said, we have the power to heal ourselves
30:39
with the choices we make.
30:42
So listen to that very carefully.
30:44
And that could be on like a t-shirt, and this is probably one of our main
30:46
slogans, but we can heal ourselves, meaning we do not need the agencies and
30:52
the companies and the aspects of this that are designed to make this difficult.
31:01
We do not need them as individuals.
31:03
We do not need them to heal.
31:06
We do not need them to be the best, most vibrant versions of ourselves.
31:09
And yes, a lot of cards are stacked against us.
31:13
And ultimately knowing that we again, have the choices.
31:18
It's all choices.
31:20
It's all perspectives.
31:22
world is created by the words you use and the beliefs that you hold.
31:28
Your beliefs are gonna create everything.
31:31
And if you believe that every single thing is going to be created to crush
31:37
you, to stop you from expanding, to keep you poor, broken, fat, and ugly,
31:42
that's exactly what's gonna happen.
31:43
If you also believe that there's a lot of things that are created or
31:46
built or made to give you a certain level of struggle because struggle
31:53
simply makes you stronger, then that's even more of a fun perspective.
31:59
Ultimately though, I think when you brought up, Hey
32:02
man, you're paying $10,000.
32:05
You don't even know what you're buying.
32:07
You haven't even read it.
32:07
You haven't even tried.
32:08
You haven't even cared.
32:09
I did think that was a gut punch that took us for a storm.
32:14
'cause me and you were like, we're gonna make fun of the insurance agency.
32:17
Dave Conley: There.
32:18
Jerremy Newsome: about how awful it is, and we're coming for you insurance.
32:21
then both of these insurance agents are like, yeah, homie.
32:24
But here's the problem is you don't even care.
32:29
You don't even know what you have.
32:31
And then I thought to myself, you're right.
32:34
I don't, I haven't studied it for a moment.
32:38
Dave Conley: That was the best and worst feeling out of this whole
32:40
thing because I totally rolled in, be like, ah, damn you insurance.
32:45
And they're like, have you ever read it?
32:46
And I'm like, oh no, I can't even comment on it.
32:50
No.
32:51
Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, that was fascinating.
32:53
And then to circle back, let's just keep having fun with Dave.
32:55
When we're talking about the term that I think a lot of people are very aware
32:59
of, and again, man I do think that there's a big challenge here, but we do
33:03
truly probably see that the challenge as you race early from the adaptation
33:09
and adoption and education on health, but the sick care system as Amanda and
33:14
Sean were mentioning, the big change there is all focused on profits,
33:20
Dave Conley: Yeah.
33:20
Jerremy Newsome: The healthcare system profiting off of sickness because although
33:27
prevention is the alternative, if you do not get sick and everyone in America
33:32
suddenly becomes a lot healthier moves a lot more and eats a lot better, and gets
33:38
more sunlight and spends more time outside and smokes less and drinks less alcohol.
33:43
probably visit substantially less in the medical system and there
33:49
becomes a lot less of a strain on it.
33:52
And then most importantly, there's gonna be massive changes there
33:55
because then the profits dwindle.
33:59
the best way to get someone to change companies to changed
34:02
corporations have changed.
34:03
And you start attacking that bottom line, you start creating pain.
34:06
'cause pain's a great motivator.
34:08
Pain is a great mover.
34:09
So for Amanda to guide us through a lot of the bottlenecks that happen
34:14
in emergency rooms, that would be a really fascinating topic or episode
34:18
just to even dive into that more.
34:20
A lot of the misdiagnoses that happen the one that really probably stood out to me
34:24
ultimately was I think she said, KPI care is like these doctors and these patients,
34:31
the relationship is a patient is a number.
34:34
A lot of times, and it's get in this emergency room, let's get you suited.
34:39
And off you go.
34:42
not really a right?
34:44
It's a, all right, this is a profit center.
34:47
The hospitals have this particular number.
34:50
We need to see this amount of patients and prescribe this and
34:53
do this and create this, and this can very check, check oriented.
34:57
And that, to me, I did not know.
34:59
I did not know it worked that way
35:01
A little scary.
35:02
Dave Conley: I've learned two things since then, and this is why I want to,
35:05
when we swing back around this, I want to talk to some more people in this.
35:09
One, is that.
35:11
If a doctor doesn't put one of those codes in, that was Rihanna was talking
35:15
about, then they don't get paid.
35:18
And so they slot a lot of people into codes because they'll get paid not
35:25
because of what the diagnosis actually is.
35:28
Not to say that they're wrong or off.
35:31
They're like, just close enough.
35:33
But, like it's an art.
35:34
We're human beings.
35:35
Like it's being a doctor is, you're an art, you're in an
35:39
art as much as a science.
35:40
And a large number of medical issues or misdiagnosis or being treated
35:47
for something wrong happens early on in a process where somebody is
35:51
slotted into something and it's never changed later on because the doctor
35:56
was managing to a number and was, wherever in the process it was stuck
36:02
on the number and it wasn't stuck on the human and what was going on there.
36:06
The other thing is those KPIs often have like a satisfaction score.
36:11
And so if the doctor doesn't give somebody what they want,
36:17
then they'll get a bad review.
36:19
And it doesn't necessarily mean that, the doctor, it's not a Yelp
36:22
review for a doctor, it's, sometimes doctors have to do tough things.
36:26
I love that people are coming in more knowledgeable, like my doctor
36:29
said, he expects somebody to come in with I heard this on a podcast, or
36:34
I Googled this, or whatever, right?
36:36
And he gets to have actually much better conversations with his patients.
36:41
So there's, on top of that, Amanda was talking about you only get
36:45
15 minutes and you're in and out.
36:47
And so the one thing you can do is give him a pill.
36:49
So again, every piece of that is ah, like that's when you're
36:53
just wanna throw it all out.
36:54
And now you're back at let me ask you this.
36:58
What did we learn?
36:59
If you do get sick, most people are right?
37:02
the day before I met you.
37:04
Jerremy Newsome: no.
37:04
I'm gonna pause this.
37:05
You're gonna tell your story, but when he says the day.
37:07
does mean an actual 24 hour period.
37:10
Keep going.
37:11
Dave Conley: I called him from the hospital and he said, okay.
37:14
I said, okay.
37:16
I don't know what's gonna happen, but I think I'm still gonna come.
37:20
I won't know until I'm outta surgery.
37:22
And you're like, what?
37:24
And I'm like it's my appendix, right?
37:26
And they do have to rush me to emergency surgery and we'll
37:28
know more once I'm up and out.
37:30
And yeah, I was up and out like a few hours later, like I had to go overnight.
37:34
and then I got on the plane that day because I was like I can.
37:38
I can either sit around and be like, feeling sorry for myself
37:42
or I can get on a plane and that, that actually taught me some grace.
37:45
'cause I had to ask for help for everybody.
37:47
I couldn't lift anything.
37:48
So I had to ask every single person, it's like, Hey, I got a bag.
37:51
Would you mind lifting it up on the security and would you mind lifting
37:54
it and putting it in the bin overhead?
37:56
So what did we learn about what happens when you get sick?
38:00
Jerremy Newsome: Or even needing massive medical attention.
38:02
Dave Conley: Yeah.
38:03
Jerremy Newsome: And I think the answer is our system right now it's both good
38:11
and bad because it works 85% of the time
38:14
Dave Conley: Yeah.
38:14
Jerremy Newsome: But here's the challenge.
38:15
That's a b plus.
38:17
And when you're talking about hundreds of millions of people, that 15% is
38:19
an astronomically horrible number.
38:22
You're dealing with millions that are negatively impacted.
38:27
And yes, that is a problem, but I do not feel that there
38:31
is an authority, especially a governmental authority right now.
38:34
Also, that's.
38:35
Extremely well geared towards making our country run extremely
38:42
efficiently through a care system.
38:45
A care system of actually pouring into the patients.
38:48
And to your point, I'll ask you this question 'cause we did talk about it a
38:53
lot in conjunction with the insurance.
38:56
How did your insurance help you getting your appendix taken out?
39:00
Was it a massive financial strain?
39:03
And what did you end up paying, if you remember?
39:06
Dave Conley: I do, I know exactly what it's, and I kept on putting
39:09
it off because I didn't want to get into the medical industrial complex.
39:14
And finally I actually called my doctor and he said, look, man, you might be.
39:20
Hey, you're going in for surgery now.
39:22
I learned subsequently that I didn't necessarily need surgery
39:26
that actually for an appendix.
39:28
If you do a heavy antibiotic for five days, it tends to
39:32
have the exact same result.
39:33
But that's neither here nor there.
39:34
I ended up talking to a surgeon before I talked to my doctor, but what surprised me
39:40
the most was the bill I got, it was zero.
39:43
Because I went to a hospital that happened to be completely
39:47
affiliated with my insurance company.
39:49
I had actually checked, with my insurance company to be
39:52
like, okay, where should I go?
39:53
And they said, this hospital turned out to be great.
39:56
And that was the lesson that I heard both from Rihanna and from Nick, is
40:03
even if you can't make sure somebody is there and they're asking questions
40:07
like, how much does this cost?
40:09
Give me the bill.
40:10
And you're not guiding the care.
40:14
You're saying, okay, what's necessary, what's not?
40:16
Let's put it in the realm of choices, rather than saying, I need an $80 Tylenol.
40:22
Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
40:22
Two of my favorite quotes and you always help me in my presentations and
40:26
speaking, but one of them is you can either be a victim or you can be a victor.
40:31
Then the other one of course is you can be a warrior or you can be a warrior.
40:35
Dave Conley: Say that again?
40:36
your accent aid into the, it's warrior.
40:39
Warrior or worrier.
40:41
Wow.
40:41
I like that
40:42
Jerremy Newsome: Thanks man.
40:43
Thank you.
40:44
accent does get in the way of it a little bit, so I try, like warrior or
40:49
Dave Conley: Warrior.
40:50
Jerremy Newsome: Do you worry or do you go to war?
40:53
Here it is, the big one, the big shift.
40:56
The reason I'm mentioning those two statements, it is our personal
41:01
responsibility, Americans.
41:03
That's what I'm telling you.
41:04
We have to take personal responsibility.
41:06
All these other aspects are here for us as supplements, meaning supplementally.
41:14
We can do this in addition to, but we have to focus on our health,
41:21
our finances, and our life.
41:24
No one is coming to save us.
41:26
we do this through diet, through exercise.
41:28
We do this with sleep, with savvy choices, working with professionals,
41:33
but not leaning on them.
41:35
This is gonna unlock a lot of the broken systems.
41:39
So if I, talk about Zen, who was on episode 11,
41:42
Dave Conley: Yeah.
41:43
Jerremy Newsome: Choosing organic.
41:45
Over Gmail laden food.
41:46
Boom, that's a choice.
41:47
It's gonna be more expensive.
41:49
Yes, it will.
41:50
Which now is gonna make you focus more on your finances.
41:54
And that's one of the reasons that you came up to me after 16 hours of
41:58
getting your appendix removed, is I was like, Hey bro, I wanna coach
42:01
with you, work with me, work with my wife, and we'll change your life.
42:04
I'll help you with your money, I'll help you understand all the things.
42:06
And then we ended up creating this together and I was like,
42:08
oh, that's why you're in my life.
42:09
This is awesome.
42:10
Dave Conley: Here we are.
42:11
Jerremy Newsome: Day one, you're like, you wanna run for president?
42:14
I'm gonna help you and here's
42:15
Dave Conley: I am
42:16
Jerremy Newsome: it.
42:16
Dave Conley: number one in
42:17
Jerremy Newsome: and you went all the way in.
42:19
So I'll take a quick second and say, thank you man.
42:21
Thanks for being all the way in.
42:21
Thanks for loving on me and for pouring in 300 hours in the last few months,
42:28
Dave Conley: it is maybe this last week.
42:30
Jerremy Newsome: making this mission happen.
42:31
It's very appreciative
42:33
Dave Conley: Wouldn't do it if I didn't believe in it.
42:35
And you, and what we're doing because this is about solving America's problems.
42:40
And I don't know if there's anything more important than bringing, a better world,
42:45
Jerremy Newsome: This is a very rare podcast.
42:47
You know this 'cause you consume podcasts all the time.
42:49
But usually most political podcasts are very one-sided.
42:52
They're not really specifically bipartisan.
42:54
You and I have openly mentioned that we don't agree on all policies,
42:58
Dave Conley: Oh, no.
42:59
Jerremy Newsome: nor should we.
43:00
And it's a fun discussion when we get to have our chats and we get to go see
43:06
things from different lenses and also bring in guests that are well more
43:11
versed in certain things than we are.
43:14
Dave Conley: Yeah.
43:15
Jerremy Newsome: again, man, when we were chatting with Zen,
43:17
when she was like, guys, eating well isn't just health, right?
43:20
It's defiance against a toxic food supply.
43:24
These personal choices that you're making, they're gonna shape your
43:27
outcomes that you have in life.
43:29
to me, as consumers, if we start making this choice that's gonna impact the
43:33
profits of these companies and that's gonna naturally create a change to occur.
43:39
Right?
43:39
And then again, having the discussions about the health, what kept coming up
43:44
over and over and over again is we are in control more than we think we are.
43:51
Knowing and spending time to read the fine print on your medical policy, read
44:00
the fine print on the back of your food label, that was like 25 minutes of what
44:07
Zen was referring to and talking about.
44:10
Sitting down
44:11
Dave Conley: it was.
44:12
Jerremy Newsome: conversations with these ER doctors, maybe even ahead of time.
44:16
Ha.
44:16
Have you ever heard of prehab?
44:18
Instead of going to rehab, you do everything preliminary before it
44:22
actually begins, before it starts These are, again, personal choices
44:26
that we can all make ahead of time.
44:29
We can have conversations with people now, before we get sick determine,
44:34
the patterns of decisions and choices that we can make that allow us to not
44:38
necessarily always interact with a system that we might feel is broken.
44:43
We don't even have to be a part of it.
44:45
We can only lean on it when we have to Has it really ever led
44:50
us or caused us to go astray?
44:52
I've had tonsil surgery, I've had ear, nose and throat surgery.
44:55
I had a deviated septum.
44:57
I've had my wisdom teeth taken out and I had malaria once when I was 18.
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Dave Conley: Yeah.
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Wow.
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Jerremy Newsome: sucked.
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Dave Conley: Oof.
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Jerremy Newsome: Don't get malaria and all in those situations, right?
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Dave Conley: Yeah.
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Jerremy Newsome: with little or no insurance and everything
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ended up becoming fine.
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This is how I know about the plans, and this is how I know about when
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we were asking the conversations with Nick and Rhiannon's Hey, can
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you have conversations with people?
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Can you talk to these people?
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Like how do you, what questions you ask.
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I know about that 'cause I went through it and I'm fully aware of this.
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Listen, this is an educational component and there's that word again.
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it all is everything that we do, everything that we know.
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It's always a choice.
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It's always an opportunity.
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It's an opportunity to grow, educate, shift, learn, and understand.
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Dave Conley: I think if there's one thing that we can.
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Leave our listeners, and it's, I think it was the wisdom of
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Zen that really sat with me.
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And I've been thinking about it.
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And actually, I was talking to a doctor friend of mine yesterday,
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this is a scientist, right?
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Like years and years of training.
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And she's completely changed her practice and her practice is much more holistic.
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And if I described it to you, I think for the vast majority of people it
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would sound like voodoo and woo, right?
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what I heard from Zen because there is going to be a segment of people who
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are like stuck in what institutions and what mainstream and what, what
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you hear and what is accepted science.
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And they'll be like that's what it is.
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And anything that questions that.
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Cathedral is wrong and those people are bad.
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And like we bump and you bump into it with getting people like RFKJ,
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being told anti-vaxxer and having to describe to people while he's not right.
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Like he's just pro safety and let's set that aside, what I heard from
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Zen because, she can dip into those areas too with all sorts of things
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I. That people are like, no, these things are safe and they're fine.
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And I don't know if we're going to reach those people, but she left
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us with one very powerful thing that I think everybody can do.
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And she's look, just Stay curious.
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And if you try organic food for 30 days and you feel better, then
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that's all you really need to know.
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If you just try something for 30 days, anything, more water, more movement, some
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sunlight, some meditation, some whatever it is, eating GMO for one meal, right?
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Or not, meaning not eating GMO, eating organic for one meal, stay if you can't
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pronounce it, don't put it in your mouth, so it's there is a simplicity to this
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and it'll keep you outta the hospitals.
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It'll keep you out of the doctor's offices.
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It will keep you healthier than that.
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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, so if I had to say, Dave, like at the heart of what you
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believe we found in the very first time that we address together as a podcast and
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as a team, making America healthy again?
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How do we solve the problem that exists right now as what we now know?
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Dave Conley: I know how difficult it is to do it by yourself.
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I was 330 pounds overweight.
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I had a beautiful, lovely wife and yet, like I was choosing
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differently for most of my life.
48:16
And I think, all of our guests in one way or another, kept on coming
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back to community, and that's very empowering, that allows people to
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ask for and demand different things.
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How about learning how to garden and getting things like farmer's markets
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and demanding that the stores near you have different choices and saying
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that there's going to be demand for these things because one person by
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themselves can make a difference.
48:45
But as soon as you get your neighbor involved, then you have two voices
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and those two voices become four and those four become eight, and
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then you have a movement, and that's when change really happens.
48:55
So I think there's a personal responsibility aspect of this, and
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we also learned that like 42% of births, that's 1.5 million kids a
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year get born into Medicaid, right?
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That means, Medicaid is the insurance you have when you can't afford anything else.
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And so it's going to be community standing up and saying, Hey,
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this needs to be different.
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Jerremy Newsome: Yep,
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Dave Conley: What about you?
49:20
Jerremy Newsome: yep.
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That's a community take.
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It's the communities.
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And I still man, forcefully, vehemently agree and believe that a lot of this
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change is Gonna start from the top of being a voice for the voiceless.
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Being someone that knows the challenges, knows the struggle, didn't grow up.
49:41
As a billionaire, hashtag our current president didn't
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grow up in the entire system.
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Hashtag most of every single president has come before us.
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Not having a lens of this political, systematic approach
49:59
where I take money bribes.
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Dave Conley: Yeah.
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Jerremy Newsome: instead of creating a system that has been infiltrated by again,
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to the point any big company that has tons of profits is wanting more money.
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You have someone like myself and like many other candidates have
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bought into the American dream.
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We bought into it, we financed it, we grew it.
50:29
And that dream allowed other people to be positively impacted other people to learn.
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change, grow, become inspired, become motivated, then go
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out and make that change.
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That's the process, that's the cycle.
50:44
And I truly believe if we have someone who is focused on that, on the revitalization
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of America's mental health, pouring into the mental awareness, the positive
50:59
vibrational frequency, the shift from negative to positive, that in of itself is
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gonna be a humongous impact on our health.
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My man, I fully believe that.
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'cause if you are drinking poison and you're thinking negative thoughts for
51:19
our listeners, I'm sure you know this, but if you said to me, The things
51:25
that you say to yourself every day?
51:26
Would we be friends?
51:27
Would we even have conversations with each other?
51:29
Would we ever talk?
51:30
The answer's?
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Probably not, because we beat ourselves up.
51:33
We say so many negative things to ourselves, and we very rarely have
51:37
someone else who's cheering us on.
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That's gonna be the person I'm gonna be.
51:41
I'm gonna be that cheerleader.
51:42
I'm gonna be the focus.
51:44
I'm gonna help understand and learn together as we continue to
51:48
grow and really truly track down.
51:51
What are some of the biggest challenges, the biggest hurdles, the biggest problems,
51:56
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