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When Success Collapses: Rebuilding Your Life With God | Bradley Hawkins · Profitable Christian Business

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  If you notice something a little bit different, if you've been watching the podcast up to this point, if you've been listening to it, then you don't know a difference.
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  But if you notice anything as you're watching this, the difference between Bradley and I and maybe what you saw just a minute ago.
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  We had some technical difficulties.
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  Some of the audio was starting to go out.
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  So I asked uh Bradley to come back because we didn't get to finish recording the episode.
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  So here we are.
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  This is part two, if you will, but it's just going to be it's just blended with the original recording.
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  I just wanted to make everybody aware.
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  It's like, wow, this looks a little different.
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  So without further ado, though, we're going to roll right into the rest of the questions.
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  I wanted to address the elephant in the video, if you will.
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  We're quick change artists, yes.
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  right, that's right.
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  Well, Bradley, we've had a great conversation at this point.
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  uh You've shared a whole bunch and thank you for that.
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  So uh what I'd like to know is in the season where everything did fell apart, did fall apart, how did your understanding of God change?
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  Not just intellectually, but relationally?
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  you know, you are very good at asking questions.
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  like those questions because they're not surface easy questions.
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  And so that's, that's a talent to be able to go deeper than the average.
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  So nice work.
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  The, it's interesting because in, in the process of building the companies that I had before, uh, I always believe that I was serving God and loving God and doing it for his
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  kingdom and his glory.
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  And, and, and, know, truthfully, I would get up and I'd speak to a group or whatever the case is, is, and I would, I would even say that.
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  And, um, what's, what's interesting is when everything fell apart, I started looking at God as somebody that really couldn't stand me.
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  mean, it was like, it was like, uh, everything I tried, he was punishing me for something.
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  And for the life of me, had no idea what he would be punishing me for.
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  And I think I might have mentioned earlier that there was a time where it just all fell apart on me.
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  I was sitting in my car on the side of a road after something else fall apart.
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  And I was just banging on my steering wheel saying, God, why do you hate me so much?
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  Why is it that you're treating me like I am the worst person on this planet?
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  Everything I touch.
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  used to work and now nothing I touch will work.
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  And I just fell apart.
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  As I went through my journey of rebuilding, I started realizing how much he really does love me.
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  And I found that in his word.
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  You know, when you read his word, you start reading it like, okay, this is for everybody else, but it's not for me.
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  And when you switch it around to realize,
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  Every single one of these words he would have written down for me.
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  And he gave that to me as a loving gift to say, Brad, I do love you.
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  And then I was able to put together in much Bible study to realize the enemy has dominion over this earth.
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  And that happened when Adam and Eve ate of the fruit and
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  and the enemy was able to take dominion over the world.
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  And, you know, when we look at what happened when Jesus came and he died on the cross and gave us access to a in-depth relationship with him, um if we believe in him, when he did
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  that, he took the keys to the kingdom.
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  And he even went and...
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  battled the enemy to get the keys of the kingdom.
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  And it allows us access to his kingdom.
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  It allows us access to pray and hear what he has to say and to have that in-depth relationship.
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  But the enemy still has dominion over this earth.
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  And that's why he gives us the armor of God to be able to walk with the sword of the spirit and the, you know.
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  all the pieces of the armor to be able to allow us to walk in this world that the enemy has dominion over and be strong and be able to hear and walk the way God wants us to walk.
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  And, you know, he's sovereign, which means he can work whenever we ask him to, um but he's not going to interfere in that.
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  So when I was putting this all together, I started realizing God's not doing all this to me.
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  um Now, he knows it's happening.
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  He's understanding it's happening.
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  And all he wants me to do is go to him and ask him, how can I walk this out in a way that brings glory to you and be able to walk through this mess and get back onto a place of
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  where he wants me to be.
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  And that is that place of peace and that place of joy that he says the kingdom really is.
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  And so when I started realizing how much he really does love me and how he is
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  orchestrating it to help me get through this mess.
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  Everything started to change and I started being able to pray and abide.
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  In John 15 it says, in me and I in you.
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  And it's where we're to connect our branch to the vine of Jesus and allow the sap or the Holy Spirit to flow through us and understand and hear what he has to say to walk through
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  this process.
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  m
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  It was quite a healing journey to just soak in the Word and see what He has to say about me.
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  um You know, this is spectacular in my mind.
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  um You asked, I'm going to just keep sharing, but this is spectacular.
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  In Revelations, He says, we are kings and priests.
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  He also says, we're His children.
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  And if we're His children and you think about your children or
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  uh what your children who your children would be if you don't have children but we're his children and and we're not childlike we're we're his kings and his priest because he is
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  the king of kings when he is the king of kings and we're his kings we need to operate like kings we need to operate with the authority that he has given us to be able to walk
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  through this land that the enemy has dominion over we need to walk through this land
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  realizing that we are a king under his leadership.
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  In addition to that, we're priests, which means that we can even have the authority in the priesthood that we can bless others and we can help others and we can be those priests
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  that be able to represent Christ in a way that is nourishing to all those that are not quite kings yet.
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  And they need to understand that relationship that they can have with the
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  King of all kings.
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  And so it took a while to really get that into place in my spirit.
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  But when you realize who he's placed us as, it gives us a lot of authority to be able to walk in peace and joy and love in a way that I've never been able to do without the word.
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  So much that I kind of want to go in all kinds of different directions with what you just said.
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  But one of things that comes to mind first and foremost is, because we actually talked about this at church the other day, is that some people will go around saying, God will
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  not give you more than you can handle.
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  That's not true.
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  Right?
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  God will allow and...
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  with stuff that you can't handle for the purpose of you going to him because when it comes more than you can bear, you know who you need to go to.
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  Do you feel like that kind of relates to your story a little bit?
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  Oh, completely.
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  I think number one, he's not the one giving it to us.
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  So, you know, that's what a little mental twist is.
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  of course, he will allow it because he's sovereign.
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  He's over and he wants everyone to be responsible for our own decisions and our own choices.
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  But he's not giving it to us.
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  Just like in Job, ah you know, the enemy had to to God and get permission.
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  He didn't do it.
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  God didn't do it.
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  The enemy did it.
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  So when we understand that, we say, okay, well, the truth is we should never be walking around doing anything in our own power and strength.
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  um That should not be a thing that we think is a smart idea.
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  We should always be walking around um asking him step by step.
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  said in Psalms that he's the light to our feet.
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  not the spotlight down the path.
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  He's showing us what step we're supposed to take, Nast.
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  He's not saying that's the direction I want you to go.
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  And so whatever comes up, whether it's good or bad or neutral, we should be asking, uh what step would you like us to go?
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  And I find myself intentionally being a little silly about that, where if I'm getting in the car and driving to uh my office or someplace, I just...
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  Say, God, show me, do you want me to go the normal way?
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  And I don't never hear anything, but my intention is to remind me that I don't want to get into routine.
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  I want to allow God to have the freedom to redirect, if that makes sense.
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  Yeah, I also kind of did the same thing in some of the what people might figure my new to little things I asked for kind of direction in right because it's big or small he's there
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  and it's just funny because I was just uh sharing with someone else earlier today that my day yesterday
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  oh I was not very, I spent time, I spent time with God, I'll put that in quotation marks, because I did a hurry prayer, I did a quick Bible study, right?
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  My mind was on, let me get through this, not like, let me spend time with God.
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  My day did not go well, right?
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  oh I seemed to run into every, everything that seemed like a quick thing that would, quick to do, just fell apart.
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  So what I do today?
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  oh I spent more intentional time with God.
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  Right?
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  And you know what?
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  My day has gone so much better today.
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  It's just...
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  uh I don't know really how that relates, but it made me think of that.
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  Well, it is very true that spending time with him, and what I find fascinating is if my target or goal is to be with him, he is the Prince of Peace.
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  He is the one that will bring peace and joy into my life.
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  It's a gift that he gives.
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  If I'm not with him,
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  If I am preoccupied in another thing and I'm not even walking in the Spirit or I'm not connected with Him, I am giving up that gift for that temporary period of time of that joy
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  and that peace.
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  And from my perspective, if I'm walking in peace and joy, I know that I can trust what I'm hearing in the Spirit speak to me.
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  If I'm not in peace, if I'm angry at somebody or I'm not forgiving something that somebody did to me, I better not trust anything that I'm thinking about because that is, it's not
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  something that um is necessarily coming from the Father if I'm not obeying the basic principles of life and that is forgiving those that have wronged me or uh being, you know,
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  not being
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  full of anger or whatever those cases, those are the basic things that we need to understand that we need to work on and maintain that closeness and that relationship with
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  God.
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  But when we're in that spot, we can trust that he's leading us step by step and we can understand that.
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  And believe me, I know the difference.
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  When everything was falling apart on me, I lived in an immense level of bitterness and anger.
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  uh
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  I wouldn't have mind seeing my enemies die.
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  I probably would have gone to funerals and laughed based on where I was at in my spirit at that time.
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  But God allowed me and taught me how to forgive so that I was able to release the anger that I was holding against so many people and let God work through those situations in a
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  way that God's glorified and I have nothing to do with, which is wonderful.
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  Yeah, I think this is pivotal and I kind of want to state.
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  here for a moment because I really want to clarify because this is what I believe.
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  believe once you're saved, you're always saved.
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  Your salvation is never in doubt, but your relationship can be fractured with God based on your lack of obedience.
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  And it's kind of like sounds like you're saying the same thing.
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  Like if you're not willing to forgive, if you're not willing to do the things that God has called us to do.
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  the relationship gets strained a little bit.
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  I completely agree.
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  He calls us to look at him as our Lord and Savior.
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  And when you become saved, you are saved.
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  Your spirit is alive.
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  Because when Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, they killed their spirit.
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  That's what God was saying is that when you eat of this fruit, you will surely die.
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  Now their bodies didn't die, but we're made up of three.
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  We're made up of our
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  body, soul, and our spirit.
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  And our spirit died in that instant, which left us with our soul and our body.
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  And when we're born again, our spirit becomes alive again.
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  And when our spirit becomes alive again, that's what's connected to the kingdom.
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  And our soul, and that's what the Bible is all about, there's so much about how do you make your choices?
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  How do you choose not to sin?
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  How do you
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  Forgive, how do you do all the things that he wants us to do because he knows that it will give us a much greater life.
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  That's our spirit, our mind will and our emotions.
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  And our spirit, if our spirit is aligned to the flesh or aligned to our body, we give ourselves a much more difficult life because we can't hear the Holy Spirit guiding us
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  through the steps of difficulty that the enemy keeps throwing our way.
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  But if we align our spirit with our soul, our mind, will and our emotion to our spirit, and we're able to hear uh God's wisdom and how do we walk through that, um we have a much
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  greater life.
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  We live a life of much more abundance.
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  And I'm not talking about just financial abundance.
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  I'm talking about the real abundance of peace and joy and of course finances as well.
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  If we understand that that's the way, that's the process that's really happening, we're so much more motivated to be able to say, I want to obey what scripture says.
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  I don't want to live in sin because that is aligning myself to my flesh.
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  And I get stuck making a lot more mistakes.
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  But if I align myself to my spirit, I can, when I choose not to be sinning, or if I choose to forgive and I choose...
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  to do those things, I can stay in that peace and my life goes so much better.
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  oh I want to touch on abundance.
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  Every time you say something, I'm just firing on all cylinders over here.
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  You had mentioned abundance, and yes, I really think prioritize, right?
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  There are different things of abundance that you should seek.
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  The first one being that joy, that peace with the Father, right?
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  If that's your first and foremost...
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  uh
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  know, desire among all things.
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  I think the other things just kind of come along with it, right?
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  As long as you don't get your priorities out of whack is basically where I'm getting at.
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  That's exactly right.
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  Romans 14 says, the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy.
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  And if you understand what that really is doing is that saying, your righteousness is not anything that will get you to the kingdom.
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  You cannot live righteous to be able to get there.
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  It has to be a gift from Jesus himself that says, here is my righteousness.
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  and it now becomes yours.
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  It's a gift that he gives us and we have his righteousness which allows us to be in the kingdom and the kingdom is righteousness, peace and joy.
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  And so his righteousness allows us to live in that peace.
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  And it's not temporarily living without problems.
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  That's not what it is.
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  It's peace in the problems.
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  uh The Bible says very clearly, you will have troubles.
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  There's no doubt around it because we're living in the kingdom's dominion, but he will give you peace in the midst of the problems.
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  And believe me, I know the difference when I look through that, when I realize how he took me through the messes that I had.
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  So then when you look at it and say, I can live in joy.
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  Joy is not happiness.
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  Joy is not fun.
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  Joy is nothing along those lines.
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  Joy is that complete contentment of
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  being in his presence.
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  is like I need nothing else other than being in his presence.
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  And he is also, he's our abundant provider.
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  He will provide what we need if we stay in uh his kingdom, we stay in his ways.
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  Now if we step out of that,
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  We're struggling, and we don't need to struggle.
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  We want to believe in his ways.
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  And that is, is choosing not to fall into the temptations and the traps that the enemies laid out in this world that we keep getting ourselves tripped into.
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  I constantly use the word joy in the struggle.
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  You won't necessarily have happiness, but most likely you won't have happiness in a struggle, but you can definitely have joy.
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  ah It's hard to explain to people sometimes, especially when you're in a struggle and you say something like that.
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  They're like, what are you, you're different.
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  Well good, I'm glad you see me as different because that's what I desire to be.
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  a very kind word.
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  I've not heard different lately, weird, odd, dumb, stupid.
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  heard many, but it's okay.
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  I can still be in joy.
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  Yeah, yeah, because a lot of times it's because they are ignorant to what joy actually is.
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  They are actually trying to equate joy to happiness, it's not.
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  So.
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  Let's, I think this is all a really good segue to talking about the unshakable life.
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  And I always like to leave the audience with practical advice, right?
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  We talk, we go deep on, a lot of different things and it's a lot to think about for the audience.
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  But um I would love for there to be something that the audience can like later today or tomorrow after listening to this, they can start applying.
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  So my question to you is what does living an unshakable life actually look like in everyday decisions?
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  um Again, you are very good at asking questions and walking down that path, even in what you would consider a light question.
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  um in my mind, living an unshakable life is living a life um with Him and allowing Him to walk you through those paths like we're talking about.
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  And the way that at least I started.
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  Now understand,
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  I have been a believer all my life.
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  I don't even remember becoming a believer, which I think most used pastors would have a heart attack over.
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  But um the way I started is I just started saying, OK, God, what do you have to say to me in your word?
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  um And I had a lot of anger, I had a lot of bitterness, I had a lot of frustration at that time.
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  And I just said, teach me, teach me what
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  you what I need to know because I'm missing something major.
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  I believe in you.
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  I trust you.
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  I know I'm going to heaven, um but I have no idea what's going on.
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  This is highly confusing to me.
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  And I just started reading.
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  And when I was reading, after I asked him to show me, I said, okay, when something jumped out at me, when I read a verse that I thought, that's interesting, I didn't keep going.
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  I stopped, it wasn't a race.
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  I said, this is not how do I get through a chapter before I stop?
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  Sometimes I just stayed on one verse.
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  And I wrote that verse down in a journal and I've never journaled in my life, but I wrote that verse down in a journal and I underlined what was important to me.
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  And then I wrote down a little bit next to it about why I felt like that was important.
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  I wanted to see what God was trying to say to me.
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  you know, if the God of the universe says something to you, you probably ought to write it down, I figure.
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  once that gets there, I go and I do what I call bouncing.
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  I go to the references.
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  You know those references you have in the center of your Bible or at the bottom, at least most reference Bibles have it.
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  If you don't have one,
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  go buy one immediately.
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  I mean, you can get them for next to nothing.
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  um And so if you go and get one with references, you can go to that verse where the references are, and you can go to other places of the Bible that say similar things.
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  So you can read that again.
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  So if you go to another verse and you read that and you say, gosh, this is jumping out to me, or it might not jump out to you at all, but...
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  This is jumping out and I write that down and I underline it.
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  And I write something about it and I underline what's the most important pieces there.
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  And I just keep bouncing through scripture asking God, show me your truth.
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  Show me what you're trying to tell me because I'm not getting it right now and I need help.
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  And I just keep writing it all down.
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  And then when I know that I know that God is trying to say something to me, I go through and I underline everything in red.
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  And sometimes I write it out in red.
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  so that I can go back into that journal and I can see what God is saying to me.
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  And I've got, I've never journaled before in my life, but I've got these journals that I've done over and over again.
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  And that's really what the Unshakeable Life is, is it was me telling the story of great destruction that happened to us, but then how God restored our souls, restored our spirit
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  and brought us through this disaster.
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  into this abundant life that is incredible.
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  And you know, I had a lot more money back then than I have now.
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  And God's still blessing us in a great way.
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  But I had a lot more money, but I would have spent every penny to have the peace and the joy that I have now.
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  And that is uh saying a lot for where I was and versus where I am now.
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  I've always been a believer, but I've never had lived a true life where I had God as my Lord, as opposed to just being a saved person, if that makes any sense.
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  But if you just soak in the Word and allow the Word to fill you, all of a sudden that is a real thing.
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  The Word of God is alive.
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  You can read, you know, a verse five different days in a row and find different pieces that God speaks to you through.
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  So it's not a speed read.
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  I really don't like these read through the Bible in a year courses.
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  It's like this is not about reading a book.
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  This is about using the Word of God as a live word that God can speak to you.
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  And when you do that, your life opens up.
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  And I wrote this all down in the Unshakeable Life to kind of walk people through that process.
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  Yeah, I love all that.
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  And we're going to include the link to your book below.
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  But one thing I want to touch on that you just said was uh Savior and Lord, right?
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  A lot of people are OK with God being the Savior.
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  Yes, let him be my Savior.
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  They struggle with him being Lord.
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  And oh I think you could tie that into the unshakable life a little bit.
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  When you're ready to make him Lord, your life becomes a lot more unshakable.
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  That is exactly right.
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  I proved to myself that I was not good at being the lord of my own life.
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  that had nothing to do with the great destruction we went through.
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  That had everything to do with me being able to create my own happiness and create my own um contentment.
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  ah
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  I had so many companies and my rule of thumb was, is I wasn't even allowed to spend my own money until it went out and started another business at least once.
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  I mean, it was really kind of an over aggressive purpose of uh creating an empire to myself, if that makes any sense.
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  And when I realized God is the one that wants to provide for me, he's the one I'm taking that
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  gift away from God saying, I want to show you what I'm going to bless you with.
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  And that is an amazing thing when you allow him to be the Lord that he wants to.
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  And the big kicker is when I realized that what he wants for me is far greater than what I even want for myself, it was so easy to take my hands off and say, okay, I get it.
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  Just
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  take me to the path you want me to be on and I'll do it.
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  um Because I realized at the time, I wasn't really trusting that his plan included greatness for me.
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  I thought, oh, yeah, his plan is gonna be good for Doug or for whoever, um but I'm gonna sacrifice because it's his plan.
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  And that's never his agenda.
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  His agenda is giving everything he can to the kids.
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  that he loves the dearest.
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  And that is all of us.
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  Amen.
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  ah That is so good.
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  If this conversation has resonated with you, I want to encourage you to check out Bradley's book, Unshakable Life.
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  The link to that will be below.
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  I think you also have UnshakableLife.com.
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  Is that correct, Bradley?
• 28:43
  Yes, on UnshakeableLife.com and that has a couple other books there that you can see as well.
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  Nice, I ask one last question of everybody that comes on the podcast because I always feel like there's something that you have on your mind that might be left unsaid and I don't
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  want to leave anything on the table.
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  So do you have any parting words for the audience, whether it's wisdom or otherwise?
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  You know, that's funny because I don't typically just leave things unsaid.
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  just say, but I really, I think the most important thing that anybody can walk away with is to realize God loves you specifically.
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  He loves you more than you can ever comprehend.
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  And believe me, I have questioned that myself.
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  I was living in a spot where I
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  I thought he loved most everybody else except for me.
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  And when I realized what was really happening, I could absorb and understand how much he really does love me.
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  And when you go through Psalms, if I get down and out a little bit, I just go through Psalms and I absorb what it is that he's saying to me.
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  I'm like, man, I just get disconnected.
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  He is wanting to talk to me 24 seven.
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  And if I allow him to, he will.
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  And the only reason that he's not talking to me is because I'm not connected to him.
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  I disconnect.
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  And it doesn't mean that I'm not going to heaven.
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  That's not what that means at all.
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  It means that I've leaned my spirit way too much to my flesh and I can choose with one second to move it back to the kingdom.
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  And that's my thing is that if you
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  understand how much God loves you and that you accept that I want to stay in line with the kingdom.
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  You can live a life that you can never even imagine, but it is the life that we are very similar life that we will have when we go to heaven.
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  I look forward to that day.
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  And as you were saying that, and I think I might even said this earlier in podcast, I'm not a great chapter and verse guy, but when you were saying Psalms, he leads me by still
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  waters.
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  That's what came to mind.
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  oh So good.
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  Yeah.
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  leads you by, I did a study on that.
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  That is one of the funnest chapters to go through, 23 is just to go through and realize how much he is saying to that.
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  And I can tell you what he said to me, but I think more importantly, go read it yourself and see what he's saying to you.
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  Well, thank you again so much, Bradley.
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  This has been great.
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  I know this has kind of been like part two of uh pre-recording, but I feel like there might be more to say.
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  So we might bring you back for another episode.
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  So thank you so much, Bradley.
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  Well, thank you.
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  And I would love to come back and talk.
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  I have a new book coming out on April 14th called The Power of Ore.
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  uh And then I have another one that is not being published yet, but uh I have it to the publishers and uh that one's Heaven Starts Now.
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  So that'll be a fun thing.
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  I once that one comes out, I definitely want you back.
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  I just love the title of that one.
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  Alright, thank you again, Brad, Bradley, and until next time, keep moving forward.
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  Excellent, thank you.